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Speaker 1: Today, Musk and many of his former PayPal co founders

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Speaker 1: One of them, David Sachs, was even a keynote speaker

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Speaker 1: So how did we get here? What does this sudden

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Speaker 1: I'm David Gura.

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Speaker 2: Stereotype of Silicon Valley is liberal. Is just It's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Max Chafkin covers Silicon Valley and its intersections with politics

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Speaker 2: This is an industry that was founded as defense contractors.

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