WEBVTT - Drew Lachey

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's okay, because no one here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's once again time for teen Beat, the podcast where

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<v Speaker 2>I Danielle Fischel, sit down with interesting people in an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to pry into their awkward teenage years and figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how they turned into fully functioning adults. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a quid pro quo, you see, since my

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<v Speaker 2>own journey through puberty in the nineties was televised to

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<v Speaker 2>millions and layered with an oversized leather Planet Hollywood jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>In a nutshell, I gave you my childhood. It's time

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<v Speaker 2>we hear yours. And this week I get to do

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<v Speaker 2>a little time traveling myself because the guests and I

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<v Speaker 2>have roots in the glorious frosted tip chaos of the

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<v Speaker 2>Y two K boy Band Invasion, and we shared a

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<v Speaker 2>few days of MTV Spring Break, Glory and Cancun together.

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<v Speaker 2>But more on that later. First, he somehow went from

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<v Speaker 2>US Army combat medic to performing in front of tens

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands of screaming fans in the band ninety eight Degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>alongside his brother Nick and his high school sweetheart now

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<v Speaker 2>wife of twenty five years, Leah, who doubled as a

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<v Speaker 2>dancer and choreographer for the group. During ninety eight Degrees run,

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<v Speaker 2>they sold over fifteen million records, notched eight top forty hits,

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<v Speaker 2>including a number one that earned a Grammy nomination with

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<v Speaker 2>Mariah Carey, recorded with Stevie Wonder, toured with Janet Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>and carried on a motown boy band tradition, following in

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<v Speaker 2>the footsteps of groups like The Jackson Five, the Four Tops,

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<v Speaker 2>and The Temptations, And ten years later, in just the

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<v Speaker 2>second season of Dancing with the Stars Ever, he took

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<v Speaker 2>home the coveted mirror Ball Trophy with partner Cheryl Burke,

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<v Speaker 2>becoming one of the show's most beloved contestants of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw In stops on Broadway, hosting gigs, comeback tours, a

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<v Speaker 2>new HGTV competition show, and even a shot on the

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<v Speaker 2>American Ninja Warrior Obstacle course. Almost thirty years after ninety

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<v Speaker 2>eight Degrees debut album, He's proof that some nineties heart

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<v Speaker 2>throbs never really clock out. But somewhere underneath the white

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<v Speaker 2>tank top and hair gel, maybe even right next to

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<v Speaker 2>that tribal armband tattoo, is just a boy in Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>going through all the same weird teenage milestones you did,

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<v Speaker 2>and today we're gonna find that kid. Welcome to teen Beat.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest this week, pop star champion, ballroom dancer, host

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<v Speaker 2>and home renovation guru Drew Lache.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Hello, that was the I'm like over, you're laughing,

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<v Speaker 3>there's bringing myself to tears. That was quite the introduction.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot I did some of that stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it so nice to get to hear all the

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<v Speaker 2>accomplishments you've had, or at least some of them read

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<v Speaker 2>back to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it makes it sound like my life's been somewhat successful.

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<v Speaker 2>It really has. You've lived a very successful life, both

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<v Speaker 2>professionally and personally. But I want to know about maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the less stellar stuff, some of the awkward, embarrassing, worst

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<v Speaker 2>moments of teenagehood. Thank you for doing the show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is now at least the second time you've

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<v Speaker 2>been forced to hang out with me, the first time

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<v Speaker 2>being in Cankun when I went to visit Lance, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the minute I got there, Lance and the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Instinct boys left to do a random new

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to perform a show somewhere, and I was basically

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<v Speaker 2>solo in can Kun and Lance said, here, it's no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just set you up with the ninety eight degrees guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the greatest, and you'll just hang out with them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I literally just followed you guys around for like

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<v Speaker 2>at least forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 4>There were some random booze cruise in there somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 4>then there was Yeah, I don't I don't even remember

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<v Speaker 4>what we were down there for, but yeah, those were.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a spring break.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, we weren't supposed to remember it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, it was a it was a blast, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>those those opportunities, so many of them came along, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's when you look back on it, like, there are

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<v Speaker 4>so there's so much that was just condensed into those

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a couple of years. It's it's really kind

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<v Speaker 4>of this crazy whirlwind of a ride.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. Every time I think back to it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, even when I would just pop in

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<v Speaker 2>because I would, you know, go on tour for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days here and there with Lance, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would pop in for a few days, And when I

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<v Speaker 2>think about the things we did on those few days,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and that's kind of the stuff they were

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<v Speaker 2>doing for the entire length of the tour, like every

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<v Speaker 2>new city there's a new adventure people want you to

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<v Speaker 2>go on. And when you're young, you say yes to

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<v Speaker 2>everything because you're like, you've got the energy, you're not exhausted.

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<v Speaker 2>Touring doesn't weigh on your body the same way as

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<v Speaker 2>it does when you're a little older, so.

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<v Speaker 4>You're just you're scared that if you say no, that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be the one opportunity that you should have done

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<v Speaker 4>or you know, yeah, it's there was almost like a

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<v Speaker 4>fomo of you know, you were always taught like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you got to keep doing this. You gotta say yes,

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<v Speaker 4>you gotta you gotta be out there, you gotta pound

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<v Speaker 4>the pavement.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you said no to something, it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the world is going to end.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. Yeah, that feeling of like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all going to collapse if I say no

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<v Speaker 2>to this. Do you remember that week we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>the spring break week? Do you remember than ever feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like why did Lance just pawn this girl off on us?

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<v Speaker 2>You did you?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you ever want of that?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys?

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<v Speaker 2>If so, you never let on I have told everyone

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever spoken to about you, guys, about how incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>kind and nice you were because you just took me

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<v Speaker 2>in like I was one of your family members, and

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<v Speaker 2>you made sure I never walked back to my hotel alone.

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<v Speaker 2>You made sure I always had plans for dinner, like

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<v Speaker 2>anything you guys were doing. You guys just made sure

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was invited.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was either stare at the other three schmucks

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<v Speaker 4>that are in the group or look at you. So

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<v Speaker 4>it was like, what was I mean, You're an upgrade

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<v Speaker 4>to the other three guys, and I'm sure me me

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, no, I think we just you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>guys from Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you're gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you want to take make sure everybody's taken care of,

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<v Speaker 4>especially if a friend says, hey, you know, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 4>is somebody that's important to me, look look out for,

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<v Speaker 4>then you're going to look out.

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<v Speaker 3>For, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Would I tell people that those nineties boy bands,

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<v Speaker 2>like in Sink Baxter Boys, ninety degrees, that they were

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<v Speaker 2>all friends and that they're still all friends, People just

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe me. They assume it really had to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like gang wars, and that you guys all

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<v Speaker 2>had to hate each other. It just wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you guys experience that as well?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean everybody thinks it was like this really

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<v Speaker 4>bad version of like West Side Story where they're like

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<v Speaker 4>doing it like boy band dances battles in the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean we you know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 4>We went over to the UK into the smash Hits

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<v Speaker 4>tour and En Sinct was over there. They hadn't come

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<v Speaker 4>to the States yet, they had done Germany, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they were kind of making their way from Europe to

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<v Speaker 4>the States, and we were in the States making our

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<v Speaker 4>way to Europe, and we kind of met in the

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<v Speaker 4>middle and we were the only two American groups on

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<v Speaker 4>the tour, and you know, all the same age, all

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<v Speaker 4>kind of at the same you know, level of coming

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<v Speaker 4>up in the business, and we just hung out and

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<v Speaker 4>we became friends. Then you know, Backstreet we never had

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<v Speaker 4>that same kind of experience together. We never were on

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<v Speaker 4>the road together, but we all we all walked a

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<v Speaker 4>similar path, you know, so there was a level of

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<v Speaker 4>respect and appreciation and for for what every way went through,

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<v Speaker 4>the grind the success. I mean, you look at those

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<v Speaker 4>two groups and you're like, all right, it's it's we're

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<v Speaker 4>in some good company there, you know. But yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 4>all especially as time has gone by, Like I'll text

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<v Speaker 4>Chris and Joey and you know, it's usually something wildly

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<v Speaker 4>inappropriate and just you know, because that's that's the relates

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<v Speaker 4>the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're still teenage boys at heart.

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<v Speaker 4>We are we are, we are gray hair, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know we still have the same mental capacity that we

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<v Speaker 4>had as teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were you guys all being shopped to the same

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<v Speaker 2>songs like were people did? Did everyone make the rounds

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<v Speaker 2>to see who, you know, who was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>which song?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there was an element of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Once in Sync Backtreet kind of got into

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<v Speaker 4>the Max Martin camp. That was kind of their world,

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<v Speaker 4>and no songs left that world. We had our own

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<v Speaker 4>Swedish mastermind and you know who did like because you

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<v Speaker 4>and no shame those songs for us. But I know

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<v Speaker 4>our first single, Invisible Man, that was originally written for

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<v Speaker 4>boys to men and we stole it before it ever

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<v Speaker 4>made it to them. So I'm sure there was some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of of like, hey, I'm just going to send

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<v Speaker 4>this to all the labels and see which one bites first.

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<v Speaker 4>But once you kind of got your your people in

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<v Speaker 4>your pocket and you had this you know, good working relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't you didn't stray too far from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I can tell you for for a fact,

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<v Speaker 4>Bye Bye Bye never came across our our our CD players.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think even if it had, that's

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<v Speaker 4>not a song that that we could have pulled off

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<v Speaker 4>the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>Our style was very different from from theirs, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and and you know, so we just kind of tried

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<v Speaker 4>to stay in our lane, you know, the harmonies and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, things like that, and leave the ones that

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<v Speaker 4>require dancing to uh, to be that that might be

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more proficient at the dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk a little bit about growing up in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you guys raised with music playing in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you and Nick catch this performing bug?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I think U like a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you grow up, you know, singing in the church choirs

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<v Speaker 4>and all that kind of fun stuff. What was different

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<v Speaker 4>from us is that we went to a performing arts

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<v Speaker 4>school here in Cincinnati, and it was a public school.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, just kind of like you had to audition,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you got in, didn't matter what part of

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<v Speaker 4>the city Cincinnati lived in. You could go there for

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<v Speaker 4>free and train and have all these great opportunities. So

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<v Speaker 4>we shifted to that, me and the fifth grade, him

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<v Speaker 4>in the seventh grade, and we just started growing up

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<v Speaker 4>doing shows and you know, singing everything from opera to

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<v Speaker 4>jazz to R and B and you know, taking acting

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<v Speaker 4>and all these different classes. So for us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>our exposure was young and from our family, but then

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<v Speaker 4>once we started at that school, it kind of just exploded.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know more about this performing arts school.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it like fame? Were kids just dancing and singing

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<v Speaker 2>in the halls?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? You just you see a table, you just get

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<v Speaker 3>on it and dance. No, I mean to a certain degree,

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<v Speaker 3>there was an element of that.

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<v Speaker 4>You walk down the hallway and there would be somebody

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<v Speaker 4>practicing cello in the stairwell, you know, or you you walking,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you get the hall pass and you'd be

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<v Speaker 4>going to the bathroom and then the dance classes will

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<v Speaker 4>be open and you'd see the ballet classes.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on or the modern or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, there was a definite fame element to it,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, it was it was this great exposure

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<v Speaker 4>for me. I mean, I can honestly say that if

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<v Speaker 4>I hadn't gone there, I never would have probably pursued

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<v Speaker 4>a career in the arts, you know, so it definitely

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<v Speaker 4>changed the trajectory of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I may have wrongly assumed that you

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<v Speaker 2>and Nick were also jocks. Did your school have sports teams,

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<v Speaker 2>because you guys are very athletic.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you, we had. We had a soccer team.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Miserable, but I did play. I did play on the

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<v Speaker 4>soccer team. You know, I think for us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we I think most teenage guys they try and balance

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<v Speaker 4>that that could with who they actually truly are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because there is a path to manhood that goes through

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of athletics. Yeah, you know, I think we

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<v Speaker 4>kind of all wrongfully assume that. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think we grew up playing soccer and baseball and all

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<v Speaker 4>those things as little kids, and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>if you're somewhat coordinated athletic, you can kind of can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of make make your way through it, fake your

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<v Speaker 4>way through sports. But yeah, I mean we we try,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think you know, having you know, a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of shirtless photos of you bouncing around out there in

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<v Speaker 4>all the team magazines made people think that you're maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more fit and athletic than you might

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<v Speaker 4>actually be.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I we we just had. We just had

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Austin Green on pod Meats World and we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Joey Lawrence his music video where he I think,

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<v Speaker 2>throws a football to himself in one of his music videos,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which is pretty great. So did you guys

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<v Speaker 2>ever come to doing that? Did anybody ever talk about

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<v Speaker 2>just throwing a football to yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>No, there were four of us, so there was always

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<v Speaker 3>somebody to throw it too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the greatest thing about having friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, you don't have to do interviews by yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're you're there's always strengthened numbers. But they

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<v Speaker 4>did always in these photo shoots like, oh, here's the football,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I throw it around. And Jeff in the

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<v Speaker 4>group he actually did play football in college a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you know.

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<v Speaker 3>We come by it somewhat naturally.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not like, oh, we've never you know, thrown

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<v Speaker 4>a football in our lives. Here you go, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we weren't going to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your wife, Leah, you two are high school sweethearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember meeting her?

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<v Speaker 4>So I remember the time period because it was the

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<v Speaker 4>fifth grade when we actually met.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, elementary school.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so is she was. She went to the performing

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<v Speaker 3>our school as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so she started in the fourth grade, which is

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<v Speaker 4>when the school started.

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<v Speaker 3>I started there in the fifth grade.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was already like this circle of people, this

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<v Speaker 4>circle of friends that already had a year under their

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<v Speaker 4>belt together. Yeah, and me, I roll in in the

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<v Speaker 4>fifth grade, and you know, I have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of find my way. But I remember, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we grew up classes together. We went out in the

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<v Speaker 4>sixth grade, we went out in the seventh grade, and

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<v Speaker 4>then junior year we got together, got together.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's so funny because my seven year old, or

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<v Speaker 2>my almost seven year old, anytime he has little crushes,

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<v Speaker 2>I always think, what if what if this is the

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<v Speaker 2>girl that Now if we just stay in the same area,

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<v Speaker 2>if they if they keep going to the same schools,

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<v Speaker 2>what if they drew in le it?

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<v Speaker 4>They could they could they could driftingly drool ly it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>We always kind of said that to our kids. It

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<v Speaker 4>was like, hey, you know, it kind of works both

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<v Speaker 4>ways because we be like, hell, oh, don't worry about

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<v Speaker 4>that that kid that's you know, especially my daughter. That

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<v Speaker 4>boy that's teasing you or like pulling your hair doing whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Class he just likes you. Yeah, Oh, don't worry. He

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<v Speaker 4>won't he won't be around, you know, past this year.

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<v Speaker 4>Well what if it's like you guys that were together

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<v Speaker 4>forever or you know, be nice to that person because

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<v Speaker 4>you never know you might marry them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of works both ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you must have avoided so much embarrassment

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<v Speaker 2>by not having to play the field too much as

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager and young man in your early twenties.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, embarrassment. Yes, I kind of always say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'd never dated. Yeah, you know, so I can't

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<v Speaker 4>really give dating advice. I just found somebody that I

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<v Speaker 4>that I enjoyed being around and loved and it's just

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<v Speaker 4>been that way, you know, so I can't really give

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<v Speaker 4>advice on dating.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't really you know, be like, oh, well you

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<v Speaker 3>should do this. I don't know what should you do?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, just don't make a fool out of yourself

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<v Speaker 4>and don't screw it up, you know, So I think

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<v Speaker 4>for me, Yeah, there definitely was an element of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to have who I'm dating in magazines

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<v Speaker 4>or deal with all that stuff, and it was definitely

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<v Speaker 4>a weight off my shoulders because I'm not I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of That's not how I'm wired.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, for as long as you've been in the industry,

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<v Speaker 2>you've never not been the guy from Ohio. You've never

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<v Speaker 2>been you've never been the Hollywood type. So you've you've really,

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<v Speaker 2>I say this about writer too, you've really managed to

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<v Speaker 2>create a life for yourself that is as authentic as

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<v Speaker 2>humanly possible, considering we work in an industry that's not

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<v Speaker 2>known for its authenticity.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I live in Ohio again, so you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>it makes it a lot easier when you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to you know, drive over the hill to

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<v Speaker 4>go to my general meetings or have the polo lounge

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<v Speaker 4>club or whatever and.

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<v Speaker 3>All that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you know, when you're just going to the

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<v Speaker 4>same place as you went to as a high schooler

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<v Speaker 4>and you're still seeing some of the same people that

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<v Speaker 4>you grew up with, it It makes it a lot easier

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<v Speaker 4>to stay grounded in who you want to be versus

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<v Speaker 4>who people think you should be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd take a meeting at Skyline over the Polar Line

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<v Speaker 2>any day, Yes, just any day for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Skyline is like my go to agot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's so good. I feel like when I explained

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<v Speaker 2>it to people, they're always like, ew that's I'm like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>just stop, I'm not going to explain you just you

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<v Speaker 2>have to try it. Once you try it, that finely

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<v Speaker 2>shredded cheese is so special. Like I used to have

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<v Speaker 2>it shipped to me the Skyline chili cans, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the same because that you get, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>like a little baggy of cheese and I need, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a pound of it, and you can't. You can't shred

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<v Speaker 2>it as finely as they do it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh they do it in bulk, you know, That's how

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<v Speaker 4>they do it because each each it has like literally

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<v Speaker 4>like three pounds of cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good, I know, and I feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a special machine that's making it that fine.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's great. It's great for your digestive tract too.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely correct. It's very healthy. When I when I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that it's chili on top of pasta with onions,

0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and truly, well, you don't need the onions. That's if

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<v Speaker 2>you want them. I like them. But and then, like

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<v Speaker 2>Drew said, somewhere between one to three pounds of cheese

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on top, and boy is it ever good. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like thick chili. It's thin. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>one of the secret ingredients is like dark chocolate.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I don't know. I've never seen the secret recipe,

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<v Speaker 3>but there is that rumor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the rumor. They say it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a moley almost.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's like when you grow up with it,

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<v Speaker 4>it is like it's like ingrain into your DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>It's part of who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No one ever mentions Ohio to me without me

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Skyline. It's it's easily in my top three

0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:54.400
<v Speaker 2>favorite foods of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Back to Lea. So she would help choreograph the

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<v Speaker 2>group's dances, right, yeah, although I'm not sure any of

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<v Speaker 2>the four of you really did too much have he

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<v Speaker 2>lifting with dancing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we started off when we got signed to Motown.

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<v Speaker 4>Lori Anne Gibson, you know who, you know, choreographed for everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>She was our choreographer and it was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>this is she was like being pulled in a hundred

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<v Speaker 4>different directions. She did our first you know, set of

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<v Speaker 4>shows in our first album, and then Leah, who was

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<v Speaker 4>dancing for Radio City Music Hall at the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>went to our manager kind of behind my back and said, look,

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<v Speaker 4>I know these guys. I want them to succeed, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know what they're capable of. Let me let me

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<v Speaker 4>get like, let me try and figure this out. And

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<v Speaker 4>he gave he said, he gave her three songs. He

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<v Speaker 4>was like, all right, you do these three songs and

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<v Speaker 4>then we'll go from there. And then she did those

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<v Speaker 4>three songs. The label loved them. It made us look

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<v Speaker 4>like we actually know what we were doing, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's been our choreographer ever since, you know, much

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<v Speaker 4>to her, you know frustration, you know, she has to

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<v Speaker 4>figure out how to how to polish our dance moves,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, she's a she's a saint.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So okay, do you remember then the moment when

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 2>she came to you because you said she went behind

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<v Speaker 2>your back to try and you know, help you guys out.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember then the moment when she came to

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<v Speaker 2>and was like, Okay, hi, I'm the new choreographer. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got these three songs. Do you remember what that moment

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<v Speaker 2>was like?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I I So she didn't want to

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 4>get the job because she was with me. She wanted

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 4>to get the job on her own merits, which is

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<v Speaker 4>very respectable and I appreciate it because it didn't put

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.520
<v Speaker 4>me in the middle had it not worked out. So

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.600
<v Speaker 4>I do remember her saying, so I called your manager.

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.760
<v Speaker 4>I talked to him about this, and this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, great, oh, let's let's let's go

0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.959
<v Speaker 4>for it, all right, let's try it out. And she

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't let us down yet, So I mean, we constantly

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 4>let her down. But you know, she she definitely carries

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<v Speaker 4>her her side of the bargain well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure having known you all for as long

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 2>as she has, she knows your strengths, she knows your weaknesses.

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's probably quite a shortcut that she takes where

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:11.600
<v Speaker 2>she goes, guess what not even going to try this

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.159
<v Speaker 2>move because I already know can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very true.

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<v Speaker 4>But we were discovering new weaknesses every time we go

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 4>into rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to say new strengths.

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<v Speaker 4>Nope, nope, we know what those are and they're diminishing

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<v Speaker 4>day by day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Age, isn't it lovely? With city after city, country

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<v Speaker 2>after country filled with girls in the audience screaming your name?

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<v Speaker 2>Did she ever deal with any jealousy?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. I mean I think she.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she's grown up in the art, she's been

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<v Speaker 4>around it the whole time. She's a performer herself, so

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 4>she understands kind of what it is.

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 3>So I don't I don't think there was ever.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there might have been some like why can't

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<v Speaker 4>you say I have a girlfriend kind of thing? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we first started out because you couldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>a girlfriend to being a boy, Milt, But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>once once we started being like, look I have a girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 4>then it was just like okay, cool. But she, no,

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<v Speaker 4>she never there was never a moment where it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>why are those girls screaming for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? You know, I think she was just like, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Great, they're screaming for you, you know, which is a great,

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.640
<v Speaker 4>you know situation, being as opposed to having to try

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 4>and convince somebody yep, that something's okay.

0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're there, you know.

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 4>Proud of your success and happy for your success, not

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 4>trying to you know, cater your success to fit around

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 4>with their you know, their ego needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's good on It kind of goes both

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<v Speaker 2>ways because she's obviously a confident woman who understood the

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 2>industry and was proud of your successes. And on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, it doesn't seem like you ever gave her

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 2>any reasons to feel jealous, so you know, yeah, those

0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.120
<v Speaker 2>it goes both ways. It speaks a lot about you too.

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You guys have been together through so much over the

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<v Speaker 2>what is it twenty five years now?

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<v Speaker 4>You've been together, we've been married for twenty five Yeah,

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 4>we've been together for another eight on top of that.

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.200
<v Speaker 3>So whatever, quick math thirty thirty three?

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what do you think the secret is to

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>having made it thirty three years together so far?

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Just try not to screw it up, that's the that's

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 3>the secret.

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 4>I think the biggest thing is just having a level

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 4>of mutual respect for each other. Yeah, you know, I

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 4>think regardless of you know, who's doing what working, we're

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, we're each other's biggest supporters and cheerleaders, and

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, I think that's the biggest thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>remember why you got together. Yeah, and stop trying to

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 4>find reasons why you aren't happy, but remember like all

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 4>the reasons why you are. And you know, Okay, so

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't always necessarily get my socks in the hamper, right,

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 4>it might be frustrating.

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 3>But is it that big of a deal. Apparently it is,

0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 3>But apparently it is.

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It really is in the hamper.

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 3>They're close, they make it close by.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, I think it's like, you know, just not

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.160
<v Speaker 4>sweating the little stuff. Just keep an eye on the prize.

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Unlike a lot of the other boy band groups you who,

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were put together in casting calls and

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>auditions by usually some old creepy dude. The four of

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you were friends from childhood, right, so you guys put

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 2>yourselves together, three of you?

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, so mean clearly I've known Nick my entire life. Yes,

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 4>we went to school with Justin at the Performing Art

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.360
<v Speaker 4>school as well, So me, Nick, Justin, and Leo all

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 4>went to the same school together. And then a guy

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 4>that we went to school with met Jeff in La

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 4>and then introduced Nick to Jeff. Nick brought Justin in.

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 4>The other guy didn't stick around, and then I came in.

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:09.959
<v Speaker 4>So then that's kind of how the four of us

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 4>got together. But the three of us knew each other

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 4>since you know, before, you know, before Pubery, Yeah.

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Since the elementary school. Yeah, you guys actually took a

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of a practical route to achieving your

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>musical dreams. You were in the Army and then moved

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>to New York and became an EMT. Tell me about

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 2>that decision.

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, going to going to the performing art school,

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:36.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, it was kind of like, all right, which

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 4>which theater program are you going to go into? What

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 4>arts are you going to? And I was like, I

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 4>don't want to be a starving artist. I don't want

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 4>to do that. I want to like have a normal life.

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 4>I want to like do these things. I want to

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 4>have some continuity. And then I so I joined the

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 4>Army because I saw the movie Cliffhanger. You know, so

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Vester Stallone is hanging off the side of a mountain,

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, not dropping or I was like, I'm going

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 4>to do that. I'm going to do search and rescue.

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to become an EMT. I'm gonna go

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 4>to the Army for it. I'm going to get trained.

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to do all this stuff, and then I'm

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 4>going to live on the side of a mountain somewhere

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 4>and save people that can't read a map or a compass.

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>And then it's it's that path started. You know. I

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 3>went to the Army.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 4>I became a medic out of out of you know,

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 4>basically training medic school. I moved to New York because

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 4>that's where Leo was, uh, and I started driving an

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 4>ambulance in New York for a private company. So I

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't get the nine to one one calls. I didn't

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 4>get those calls. I had like strokes and heart attacks,

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 4>broken hips, you know, a lot of the a lot

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 4>of the private nursing home kind of calls.

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, I got a beep on my beeper.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I love a beeper. Oh yeah, a story.

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 4>It was great right up until I saw that it

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 4>was an l A number and I had to use

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of quarters at the pay phone and to

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 4>call it back as opposed to just one. But it

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 4>was Nick and he beat me to see if I've

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 4>intioned in joining the group.

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 3>So it was my.

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 4>Path was a little bit, yeah, a little bit different

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 4>than most people's, but you know, got to the same destination.

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>And so what did you say? You get that, you

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 2>get that page that beep from Nick? You call him

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 2>on the payphone. He asks, if you want to join

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 2>the group? Are you like, well, let me think about it.

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I got to talk to Leo. What's what's the what's

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the thought process that runs through your mind?

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I was. I mean Leo.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Leah was actually she was on tour working for Radio

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 4>City at the time, so so she we weren't.

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 3>We weren't together.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like, oh, let me It was more like,

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 4>all right, she's off doing her thing. I'm here in

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 4>New York doing my thing. Let me call my dad.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 4>He's the most practical person I know. So I called

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:45.959
<v Speaker 4>my dad and he's like, oh, well, it sounds like

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 4>a kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity.

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, it probably is.

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 4>He was like, could you go back to driving an

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 4>ambulance if it doesn't work out?

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like yeah.

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 4>He was like, so once in a lifetime opportunity, opportunity,

0:27:59.160 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 4>They'll still be there.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which one are you gonna do?

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 4>And then two weeks later I packed up my nineteen

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 4>eighty eight Plymouth Sun Dance and drove from New York

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 4>to LA learning my parts.

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Along the way. And then two days later we were

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 3>opening up for James Brown at the House of Blues.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 3>So kind a kind of a crazy little whirlwind a time.

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 2>That is so cool. I love that, and you know

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 2>that is something that that thought process was exactly the

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>thought process I had when I had applied to get

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 2>my master's degree from Chapman University. I had just been accepted.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>The same week I was accepted to Chapman for my masters,

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I got the call about doing Girl Meets World and

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, but I I thought I was for

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>sure going to go forward and get my masters, And

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 2>now this came up. What should I do? And it

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, doing Girl Meets World is never going to

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>come around again. Getting to play Tipanga twenty years after

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>the show ended is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I can always go back and get my masters any time,

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And you do. You always go for the once in

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a lifetime not so safe necessarily, but always take that

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>risk in my opinion.

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And for me, I was like, all right, I

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 4>was kind of laying out this plan, like all right,

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna either you know, join like EMS New York

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 4>City MS or the fire department or maybe even go

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 4>to you know, nursing school because I'm still like doing

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 4>like reserve training. So I'm like, oh, I can get

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 4>the army to maybe do my nursing school. And then

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 4>like my whole head, my whole plan was around like

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 4>first responder EMS emergency medicine, and then this happened, and

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 4>then I was just kind of like.

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 3>What wait a second.

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but you know, growing up, performing and doing all

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 4>that stuff, you know that it doesn't really go away.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like part of part of who you are.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 4>So given the opportunity to, you know, scratch that itch

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 4>a little bit, you know, just kind of had to

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 4>see what.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 3>It was about.

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever save any lives?

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Uh? I hope?

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, look at you.

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 4>My first call on my first day, I lost one,

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 4>which was a really really tough way to start my career.

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 3>As an EMT.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so nineteen years old, you know, first call, still

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 4>a trainee. Yeah, lady lady coated on a stretcher.

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, had she had a heart attack or a stroke.

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 4>She had a long list of you know, medical ailments

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 4>in history and you know, renal failure and a whole

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 4>bunch of stuff. But it still doesn't make it a

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 4>whole lot of a whole lot easier. But you know,

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 4>you try and you know, learn from it. Yeah, move forward.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, well day one, Well, welcome to adulting.

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Welcome exactly. Do you remember your first real pinch me

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>moment in.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 4>La Yeah, I mean there were a couple, a couple

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 4>of big moments. I mean, the first time you hear

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 4>your your song on the radio. That's a that's a

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 4>monumental one, you know, But I think for me, there

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 4>were ones that were you know, leading up to it.

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, you get to get to meet certain people.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 4>You don't have to wait in line at a club,

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 4>those those those little things that you're like, oh, I'm

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 4>gonna be standing outside like everybody else, and then you

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 4>walk up and it's like, hey, come on in.

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you walk up, Sarah is there. You're like, whoa Sarah?

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 4>And then you become friends with the people and then

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 4>you know it, you know, just kind of goes from there.

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I mean I think you know, clearly, getting

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 4>to do a duet with Stevie Wonder, Yeah, that's absolutely

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 4>meeting boys demand for the first time, you know, another

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 4>one of those moments. And then you become friends and

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 4>you tour together and you know, those those kind of

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.479
<v Speaker 4>things that you never could have dream of when you

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 4>were listened to, you know, coolly high harmony and learning

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 4>all the words to Motown Philly. And the next thing

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, Sean's on one side of you,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 4>Awanya is on the other, and you're just like, and

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 4>this is my life?

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>How did this happen?

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean, so it doesn't to me.

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 4>It was always kind of like I was always the

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 4>guy that never wanted to introduce myself to anybody.

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I never wanted to be like, hey, I'm true from

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 3>ninety eight degrees or.

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 4>Like do anything, because I didn't want to deal with

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry who right, like, oh, we're we're signed the

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Motown And then you know, my for al little ego

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 4>couldn't have handled that, you know, so I just kind

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 4>of like sat back and watched a little bit more.

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 4>But luckily we had some some people around us that

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 4>they didn't subscribe to that same thing, and they would

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 4>just be like, hey, this is ninety degrees, and then yeah.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 3>I got I got the benefit of their their balls.

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's like one of the best parts

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>about having people on your team is that they can

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>do the awkward, uncomfortable stuff so that you don't have

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>to do.

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 3>It exactly exactly. Everybody needs one of those people in

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 3>their lives for sure.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to talk for a second about tribal arm tattoos.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You and Nick have absolutely legendary ones, arguably the best

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>of the decade, if you don't count Pamela Anderson's barbed wire.

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Where did you get them? And were your parents ever

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:24.719
<v Speaker 2>against tattoos?

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think my parents are still against tattoos. No,

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 4>we got them in Atlanta. Yeah, I actually in a

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 4>box somewhere has still had like the business card of

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 4>the tattoo par that we went to.

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were recording in Atlanta for our first record.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know, I don't it was kind of

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 4>like this thing, like it wasn't like it wasn't like

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 4>cliche at the time, of course not. It was like

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 4>cutting edge at the time, Like people weren't getting tattoos.

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 4>So we were bad asses for getting tattooed totally, you know,

0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 4>and then you know you're like, we don't want to

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 4>like like matching, so we got similar.

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 3>But then the l for our last name the brothers

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 3>is the same.

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 4>It's just kind of us together. Yeah, so yeah, it was.

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 4>It was a place at Lantin Jeff got Jeff got

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 4>some sort of writing on on his on his chest

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 4>and he thought it meant one thing, and then he's

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 4>not sure, it means that depends on.

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Where you are in the world something else. Yeah, it's

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 3>it's you know, it's all just stories life.

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Will my Pod meets World co host and Boy meets

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 2>World co star had I think Japanese. I think Japanese symbols,

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>but one of them is he had war on one

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>ankle and peace on the other ankle. And he was

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>walking on the beach somewhere and someone stopped him and said, huh,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 2>your tattoos war and why this one? And Will said

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 2>it war in peace and he said, no, that's war,

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>but that's to eat. And Bill was like what and

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the guy was like, I'm just kidding, it's peace. It's

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.280
<v Speaker 2>just so funny because you know, yeah, when you don't

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>speak the language, but you get the symbols, you don't

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>necessarily know.

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh this symbol means daughter and it doesn't mean daughter,

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 4>just means girl, right, you know, it's like you're just

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 4>a girl.

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's still little things like that.

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you had a number one hit and Grammy nomination

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>with Mariah Carey, an icon especially of the time. Did

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>you get to interact a lot with her?

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So at the time, we didn't like when we recorded,

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 4>she wasn't in the studio. We recorded Jimmy Jaime and

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 4>Terry Lewis, we were on tour. She was on tour.

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like two ships passing in the night.

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 4>But when we shot the video for it, she did,

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, come out to our tour stop. Because we

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 4>were literally like six days a week. We have no

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 4>time to travel somewhere shoot a video. So you know,

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 4>the thing, God I found you video was basically on

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 4>our you know, yellow and black, you know, like bumblebee looking,

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, tour set in the middle of somewhere and

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, the middle of America, and it was just

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of like, all right, let's just make a video

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 4>for it. And then we did like a Christmas special.

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.439
<v Speaker 4>And you know, if we're talking about like not wanting

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 4>to like put yourself out there. I actually so I

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 4>consult on some some movies that film here in Cincinnati,

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 4>and she came in here and did a Hallmark movie and.

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 3>She directed it and starred in it.

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 4>And I was, you know, one of the you know,

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 4>consultants for some of the performances. And we're at the

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 4>first table read and she was sitting there like with

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 4>her her sunglasses on, and we're like, she was sitting

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 4>across the table from me, and it gets to me

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 4>we're like introducing ourselves, and she literally like pulls her

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 4>sunglasses down and looks at me.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 5>She's like, I know you. I was like, thank god,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 5>because it would have been really embarrassing had you like, hey,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm Drew blah blah blah, and you like okay, like.

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Just just for yeah, hello, nice to meet you, sir.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 4>So at least she acknowledged that we had worked together

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 4>and we had a number one together, and so that

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 4>was that was good because that would have been really embarrassing.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been tough to I have to

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>say hello again and reintroduce myself. Yes, you also survived

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 2>reality TV well before it was a way to become famous.

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>The Nick and Jessica era was very much in the

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>spotlight and that always kind of seemed uncomfortable for the Laches.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Was that a lot to deal with at the time.

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, everybody that gets into reality now

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 4>knows what they're getting into. Yeah, at that time, it

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 4>was the Osbourne's and that show. So it was you know,

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 4>the kind of you know, beginning the incubation period of

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 4>what reality was going to become. I think early on

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 4>it was for the most part reality, Like we just

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 4>kind of lived our lives.

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 3>We had cameras following.

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Us pretty much twenty four hours a day, and you know,

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 4>they got their stuff, and then they edited together as

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 4>the show, you know, progressed, and as reality TV progressed,

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 4>they figured, oh, well, let's kind of shape our storylines.

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, shoot what we need to shoot, you know,

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 4>and then you know, save a bunch of money and

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 4>don't worry about it. And that's when stuff kind of

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 4>got a little bit more, you know, a little more annoying,

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 4>a little more difficult. You know, you're living somebody else's story,

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 4>living someone else's life. But you know, as things progress,

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 4>you realize you're like, all right, well, in order to

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 4>control this, we need to get you know, executive producer

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 4>credit on it so we can be there for the

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 4>editing and we can do all that stuff. So you

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 4>learn as it goes. But it was it was always

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.439
<v Speaker 4>something that was a bit of a something.

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 3>It was just kind of always a little bit weird.

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why right, Yeah, it seems like an uncomfortable way

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 2>to live.

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 4>It was.

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Have you been watching the rebirth of Dancing with the

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Stars at all?

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 4>So the strange part for me is that my daughter

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 4>who was not even born yet, my wife was pregnant

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 4>when I was on the show.

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 3>She is now a big fan of Dancing with the Stars.

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 4>So for me like this, you know, little nugget, who

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 4>was born two weeks after I won, you know, is

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 4>now watching the show that you.

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, you helped pioneer. I was.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 4>I was part of the beginning of you know, so

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 4>I definitely do follow it, you know, because you know,

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 4>you can't be a part of it and then not

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 4>get asked about it or or not, you know, have

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 4>some sort.

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Of connection to it. Of course, I mean.

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 4>The people that I came up with, none of them

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 4>are really there anymore or their judges, Yeah, on the

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 4>panel now, you know.

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's a little different.

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 4>But you know, I definitely appreciate that that show is

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 4>still on and that, you know, it kind of like

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 4>went to the streaming world, you know, was able to

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 4>come back because you know, the arts and dancing and

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 4>the joy that that show kind of has deserves a

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 4>place on network.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 3>TV for everybody to see it.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Yes, and I do enjoy the fact that it's back

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 4>and people are still enjoying it and new people have

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 4>discovered it, even though those new people don't know who

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 4>I am.

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Not true, Well, that's true. They do show They do

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 3>show clips sometimes in my freestyle, so.

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>They sure do.

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, you have also become a home remodel expert. Were

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.720
<v Speaker 2>you always handy? Have you and Leah flipped properties before?

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Have you done renovations a little bit?

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 3>So?

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 4>I think like most people, like if you redo your

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 4>house and you hire a contractor you have some sort

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 4>of nightmare story. You know, I have one of those

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 4>I got taken advantage of. And you know, my my

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 4>pride couldn't handle the fact that I got bamboozled and

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't I didn't know it. So I started trying

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 4>to learn everything I could about how houses work and

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 4>you know what I could do myself. And then you start,

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, expanding on those skills and you know, like

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 4>literally listeners were done here. I'm redoing a friend's bathroom,

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 4>so I'm going over there to you know, finish the

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 4>dry wall and start laying the tile.

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 3>You know. So it's it's just kind of become part

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 3>of who I am.

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 4>And I do find like there's a there's like a

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 4>grounding to it, like it be able to do something

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 4>with your hands versus like everything else that I do.

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 3>It's you know, there's something tangible about it.

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a lot of everything else I do is like, oh,

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm writing this song and it's I can't hold it,

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 4>you know. So I think like home renovation number one,

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 4>there's a sense of pride. Number two, it saves yourself

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 4>a fortune. And number three there is this you know,

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 4>actual you know, before and after a moment that you

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 4>can kind of appreciate but totally Yeah, we did a

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 4>little bit of flipping, but clearly my skills have improved

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.720
<v Speaker 4>over the last you know, fifteen years.

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I also love about a home renovation that you can

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>every day set goals that then at the end of

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the day you're like, there, I accomplished those goals. Like

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>today you're going to do the drywall. You're you know what,

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's maybe the goal for the day is just

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 2>finish the drywall before or lay whatever you need to

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.879
<v Speaker 2>lay in order to put the tile down. Whereas you're right,

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>like in the Creative Arts, there's like we're gonna record

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 2>this part of the song, but it still doesn't like

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>get you to a you know, you don't. Yeah, it's

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>not tangible. It's yeah, very exciting, even.

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 4>Though I supposed to finish the drywall three days ago

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 4>and I just keep you know, I just keep sanding

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.319
<v Speaker 4>and it's not right, so I keep redoing it and

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 4>keep standing.

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's okay.

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I want a perfectionist doing my home remodel,

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 3>As you should. As you should, we're.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>About ready to do a home remodel. So I'm very

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>very interested in this journey. So the new show is

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 2>called Rock the Block, and it's celebrities competing against each

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 2>other who are paired with experts and building in Las Vegas.

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, So it's it's you know for for very

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 4>familiar HGTV faces. Yeah, you know, so it's Mina and

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Kim Scott and Tanya. Me and Tanya were paired up,

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 4>and then Brooke Hogan, Vernon Davis, Chelsea Meisner and me

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 4>so you got you know, reality Star, NFL Player, Southern

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.439
<v Speaker 4>Charm Survivor, and then me which was category you want

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 4>to toss me into. But all four of us also

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 4>have you know, either design experience or construction experience or

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 4>things like that, So it was a lot of.

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Fun to kind of get in there and you're literally given.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 4>A shell of a house. We're all have matching shells,

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 4>and we have to design and build out these houses.

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Like each each week you're like this new new section

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 4>of the house.

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>And the show has been around. This is the seventh season.

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 4>It's been the number one show for HGTV for for

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 4>a while, but this is just a new twist on

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 4>it in Vegas, you know, like doing construction on the

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Dusty Moon. You know, I guess the Dusty Sun is

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 4>a better comparison, but it was. It was a lot

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 4>of fun and I'm excited for people to finally see it.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I can't wait to watch what is the most

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 2>difficult thing you've done so far when it comes to

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>a remodel.

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think the things that people find the

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 4>least sexy are the most difficult. You know, like, oh,

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm running new electric, you know, people are people don't

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 4>care about that. They just want to know it's done right.

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 4>They want to know that the tile is pretty and

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:34.719
<v Speaker 4>that's the right.

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:36.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, let's take this wall down.

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm more intrigued by like the guts of the house, like, oh,

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 4>today's plumbing, yeah righties, yes, yes, let's make sure the

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 4>toilet doesn't overflow, you know, things like that. But you

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<v Speaker 4>know I've done I've kind of messed with everything, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from you know, poorn foundations to throwing a roof on.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of like, you know, from the ground

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<v Speaker 4>up to the to the top to you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>just learn as you go and you find the right

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<v Speaker 4>people to teach you, and it's kind of like anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We kept this little Cancun reunion going. Is Drew stuck

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