Speaker 1: That's that's okay, because no one here it is.
Speaker 2: It's once again time for teen Beat, the podcast where
Speaker 2: I Danielle Fischel, sit down with interesting people in an
Speaker 2: attempt to pry into their awkward teenage years and figure
Speaker 2: out how they turned into fully functioning adults. It's a
Speaker 2: bit of a quid pro quo, you see, since my
Speaker 2: own journey through puberty in the nineties was televised to
Speaker 2: millions and layered with an oversized leather Planet Hollywood jacket.
Speaker 2: In a nutshell, I gave you my childhood. It's time
Speaker 2: we hear yours. And this week I get to do
Speaker 2: a little time traveling myself because the guests and I
Speaker 2: have roots in the glorious frosted tip chaos of the
Speaker 2: Y two K boy Band Invasion, and we shared a
Speaker 2: few days of MTV Spring Break, Glory and Cancun together.
Speaker 2: But more on that later. First, he somehow went from
Speaker 2: US Army combat medic to performing in front of tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of screaming fans in the band ninety eight Degrees,
Speaker 2: alongside his brother Nick and his high school sweetheart now
Speaker 2: wife of twenty five years, Leah, who doubled as a
Speaker 2: dancer and choreographer for the group. During ninety eight Degrees run,
Speaker 2: they sold over fifteen million records, notched eight top forty hits,
Speaker 2: including a number one that earned a Grammy nomination with
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, recorded with Stevie Wonder, toured with Janet Jackson,
Speaker 2: and carried on a motown boy band tradition, following in
Speaker 2: the footsteps of groups like The Jackson Five, the Four Tops,
Speaker 2: and The Temptations, And ten years later, in just the
Speaker 2: second season of Dancing with the Stars Ever, he took
Speaker 2: home the coveted mirror Ball Trophy with partner Cheryl Burke,
Speaker 2: becoming one of the show's most beloved contestants of all time.
Speaker 2: Throw In stops on Broadway, hosting gigs, comeback tours, a
Speaker 2: new HGTV competition show, and even a shot on the
Speaker 2: American Ninja Warrior Obstacle course. Almost thirty years after ninety
Speaker 2: eight Degrees debut album, He's proof that some nineties heart
Speaker 2: throbs never really clock out. But somewhere underneath the white
Speaker 2: tank top and hair gel, maybe even right next to
Speaker 2: that tribal armband tattoo, is just a boy in Ohio
Speaker 2: going through all the same weird teenage milestones you did,
Speaker 2: and today we're gonna find that kid. Welcome to teen Beat.
Speaker 2: My guest this week, pop star champion, ballroom dancer, host
Speaker 2: and home renovation guru Drew Lache.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, that was the I'm like over, you're laughing,
Speaker 3: there's bringing myself to tears. That was quite the introduction.
Speaker 3: I forgot I did some of that stuff, right.
Speaker 2: Isn't it so nice to get to hear all the
Speaker 2: accomplishments you've had, or at least some of them read
Speaker 2: back to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes it sound like my life's been somewhat successful.
Speaker 2: It really has. You've lived a very successful life, both
Speaker 2: professionally and personally. But I want to know about maybe
Speaker 2: the less stellar stuff, some of the awkward, embarrassing, worst
Speaker 2: moments of teenagehood. Thank you for doing the show. I
Speaker 2: think this is now at least the second time you've
Speaker 2: been forced to hang out with me, the first time
Speaker 2: being in Cankun when I went to visit Lance, and
Speaker 2: then the minute I got there, Lance and the rest
Speaker 2: of the Instinct boys left to do a random new
Speaker 2: opportunity to perform a show somewhere, and I was basically
Speaker 2: solo in can Kun and Lance said, here, it's no problem.
Speaker 2: I'll just set you up with the ninety eight degrees guys.
Speaker 2: They're the greatest, and you'll just hang out with them.
Speaker 2: And I literally just followed you guys around for like
Speaker 2: at least forty eight hours.
Speaker 4: There were some random booze cruise in there somewhere, and
Speaker 4: then there was Yeah, I don't I don't even remember
Speaker 4: what we were down there for, but yeah, those were.
Speaker 2: It was a spring break.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, we weren't supposed to remember it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it was a it was a blast, you know,
Speaker 4: those those opportunities, so many of them came along, and
Speaker 4: it's when you look back on it, like, there are
Speaker 4: so there's so much that was just condensed into those
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of years. It's it's really kind
Speaker 4: of this crazy whirlwind of a ride.
Speaker 2: It really is. Every time I think back to it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, even when I would just pop in
Speaker 2: because I would, you know, go on tour for a
Speaker 2: couple of days here and there with Lance, and I
Speaker 2: would pop in for a few days, And when I
Speaker 2: think about the things we did on those few days,
Speaker 2: I'm like, and that's kind of the stuff they were
Speaker 2: doing for the entire length of the tour, like every
Speaker 2: new city there's a new adventure people want you to
Speaker 2: go on. And when you're young, you say yes to
Speaker 2: everything because you're like, you've got the energy, you're not exhausted.
Speaker 2: Touring doesn't weigh on your body the same way as
Speaker 2: it does when you're a little older, so.
Speaker 4: You're just you're scared that if you say no, that's
Speaker 4: gonna be the one opportunity that you should have done
Speaker 4: or you know, yeah, it's there was almost like a
Speaker 4: fomo of you know, you were always taught like, oh,
Speaker 4: you got to keep doing this. You gotta say yes,
Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta be out there, you gotta pound
Speaker 4: the pavement.
Speaker 3: So if you said no to something, it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: the world is going to end.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Yeah, that feeling of like, oh no,
Speaker 2: this is all going to collapse if I say no
Speaker 2: to this. Do you remember that week we were talking about,
Speaker 2: the spring break week? Do you remember than ever feeling
Speaker 2: like why did Lance just pawn this girl off on us?
Speaker 2: You did you?
Speaker 3: Did you ever want of that?
Speaker 1: You guys?
Speaker 2: If so, you never let on I have told everyone
Speaker 2: I've ever spoken to about you, guys, about how incredibly
Speaker 2: kind and nice you were because you just took me
Speaker 2: in like I was one of your family members, and
Speaker 2: you made sure I never walked back to my hotel alone.
Speaker 2: You made sure I always had plans for dinner, like
Speaker 2: anything you guys were doing. You guys just made sure
Speaker 2: I knew I was invited.
Speaker 4: Well, it was either stare at the other three schmucks
Speaker 4: that are in the group or look at you. So
Speaker 4: it was like, what was I mean, You're an upgrade
Speaker 4: to the other three guys, and I'm sure me me
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: You know, no, I think we just you know, we're
Speaker 3: guys from Ohio.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to take make sure everybody's taken care of,
Speaker 4: especially if a friend says, hey, you know, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is somebody that's important to me, look look out for,
Speaker 4: then you're going to look out.
Speaker 3: For, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Would I tell people that those nineties boy bands,
Speaker 2: like in Sink Baxter Boys, ninety degrees, that they were
Speaker 2: all friends and that they're still all friends, People just
Speaker 2: don't believe me. They assume it really had to be,
Speaker 2: you know, like gang wars, and that you guys all
Speaker 2: had to hate each other. It just wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: Did you guys experience that as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everybody thinks it was like this really
Speaker 4: bad version of like West Side Story where they're like
Speaker 4: doing it like boy band dances battles in the streets.
Speaker 3: No, I mean we you know, I think it was
Speaker 3: ninety seven.
Speaker 4: We went over to the UK into the smash Hits
Speaker 4: tour and En Sinct was over there. They hadn't come
Speaker 4: to the States yet, they had done Germany, and then
Speaker 4: they were kind of making their way from Europe to
Speaker 4: the States, and we were in the States making our
Speaker 4: way to Europe, and we kind of met in the
Speaker 4: middle and we were the only two American groups on
Speaker 4: the tour, and you know, all the same age, all
Speaker 4: kind of at the same you know, level of coming
Speaker 4: up in the business, and we just hung out and
Speaker 4: we became friends. Then you know, Backstreet we never had
Speaker 4: that same kind of experience together. We never were on
Speaker 4: the road together, but we all we all walked a
Speaker 4: similar path, you know, so there was a level of
Speaker 4: respect and appreciation and for for what every way went through,
Speaker 4: the grind the success. I mean, you look at those
Speaker 4: two groups and you're like, all right, it's it's we're
Speaker 4: in some good company there, you know. But yeah, we've
Speaker 4: all especially as time has gone by, Like I'll text
Speaker 4: Chris and Joey and you know, it's usually something wildly
Speaker 4: inappropriate and just you know, because that's that's the relates
Speaker 4: the relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still teenage boys at heart.
Speaker 4: We are we are, we are gray hair, but you
Speaker 4: know we still have the same mental capacity that we
Speaker 4: had as teenagers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were you guys all being shopped to the same
Speaker 2: songs like were people did? Did everyone make the rounds
Speaker 2: to see who, you know, who was going to get
Speaker 2: which song?
Speaker 3: I'm sure there was an element of it.
Speaker 4: I think Once in Sync Backtreet kind of got into
Speaker 4: the Max Martin camp. That was kind of their world,
Speaker 4: and no songs left that world. We had our own
Speaker 4: Swedish mastermind and you know who did like because you
Speaker 4: and no shame those songs for us. But I know
Speaker 4: our first single, Invisible Man, that was originally written for
Speaker 4: boys to men and we stole it before it ever
Speaker 4: made it to them. So I'm sure there was some
Speaker 4: sort of of like, hey, I'm just going to send
Speaker 4: this to all the labels and see which one bites first.
Speaker 4: But once you kind of got your your people in
Speaker 4: your pocket and you had this you know, good working relationship.
Speaker 4: You didn't you didn't stray too far from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I can tell you for for a fact,
Speaker 4: Bye Bye Bye never came across our our our CD players.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think even if it had, that's
Speaker 4: not a song that that we could have pulled off
Speaker 4: the same way.
Speaker 3: I mean we weren't.
Speaker 4: Our style was very different from from theirs, you know,
Speaker 4: and and you know, so we just kind of tried
Speaker 4: to stay in our lane, you know, the harmonies and
Speaker 4: you know, things like that, and leave the ones that
Speaker 4: require dancing to uh, to be that that might be
Speaker 4: a little bit more proficient at the dancing.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about growing up in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Were you guys raised with music playing in the house.
Speaker 2: How did you and Nick catch this performing bug?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think U like a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 4: you grow up, you know, singing in the church choirs
Speaker 4: and all that kind of fun stuff. What was different
Speaker 4: from us is that we went to a performing arts
Speaker 4: school here in Cincinnati, and it was a public school.
Speaker 4: You know, just kind of like you had to audition,
Speaker 4: but if you got in, didn't matter what part of
Speaker 4: the city Cincinnati lived in. You could go there for
Speaker 4: free and train and have all these great opportunities. So
Speaker 4: we shifted to that, me and the fifth grade, him
Speaker 4: in the seventh grade, and we just started growing up
Speaker 4: doing shows and you know, singing everything from opera to
Speaker 4: jazz to R and B and you know, taking acting
Speaker 4: and all these different classes. So for us, you know,
Speaker 4: our exposure was young and from our family, but then
Speaker 4: once we started at that school, it kind of just exploded.
Speaker 2: I want to know more about this performing arts school.
Speaker 2: Was it like fame? Were kids just dancing and singing
Speaker 2: in the halls?
Speaker 3: Yes? You just you see a table, you just get
Speaker 3: on it and dance. No, I mean to a certain degree,
Speaker 3: there was an element of that.
Speaker 4: You walk down the hallway and there would be somebody
Speaker 4: practicing cello in the stairwell, you know, or you you walking,
Speaker 4: you know, you get the hall pass and you'd be
Speaker 4: going to the bathroom and then the dance classes will
Speaker 4: be open and you'd see the ballet classes.
Speaker 3: Going on or the modern or whatever.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there was a definite fame element to it,
Speaker 4: but you know, it was it was this great exposure
Speaker 4: for me. I mean, I can honestly say that if
Speaker 4: I hadn't gone there, I never would have probably pursued
Speaker 4: a career in the arts, you know, so it definitely
Speaker 4: changed the trajectory of my life.
Speaker 2: I feel like I may have wrongly assumed that you
Speaker 2: and Nick were also jocks. Did your school have sports teams,
Speaker 2: because you guys are very athletic.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, we had. We had a soccer team.
Speaker 3: Okay that was.
Speaker 4: Miserable, but I did play. I did play on the
Speaker 4: soccer team. You know, I think for us, you know,
Speaker 4: we I think most teenage guys they try and balance
Speaker 4: that that could with who they actually truly are, you know,
Speaker 4: because there is a path to manhood that goes through
Speaker 4: some sort of athletics. Yeah, you know, I think we
Speaker 4: kind of all wrongfully assume that. But you know, I
Speaker 4: think we grew up playing soccer and baseball and all
Speaker 4: those things as little kids, and you know, I think
Speaker 4: if you're somewhat coordinated athletic, you can kind of can
Speaker 4: kind of make make your way through it, fake your
Speaker 4: way through sports. But yeah, I mean we we try,
Speaker 4: and I think you know, having you know, a bunch
Speaker 4: of shirtless photos of you bouncing around out there in
Speaker 4: all the team magazines made people think that you're maybe
Speaker 4: a little bit more fit and athletic than you might
Speaker 4: actually be.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I we we just had. We just had
Speaker 2: Brian Austin Green on pod Meats World and we were
Speaker 2: talking about Joey Lawrence his music video where he I think,
Speaker 2: throws a football to himself in one of his music videos,
Speaker 2: which is which is pretty great. So did you guys
Speaker 2: ever come to doing that? Did anybody ever talk about
Speaker 2: just throwing a football to yourself?
Speaker 3: No, there were four of us, so there was always
Speaker 3: somebody to throw it too.
Speaker 2: That's one of the greatest thing about having friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you don't have to do interviews by yourself.
Speaker 4: You know, you're you're there's always strengthened numbers. But they
Speaker 4: did always in these photo shoots like, oh, here's the football,
Speaker 4: you know, I throw it around. And Jeff in the
Speaker 4: group he actually did play football in college a little bit,
Speaker 4: and so you know.
Speaker 3: We come by it somewhat naturally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like, oh, we've never you know, thrown
Speaker 4: a football in our lives. Here you go, but yeah,
Speaker 4: we weren't going to the NFL.
Speaker 2: Okay, your wife, Leah, you two are high school sweethearts.
Speaker 2: Do you remember meeting her?
Speaker 4: So I remember the time period because it was the
Speaker 4: fifth grade when we actually met.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, elementary school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so is she was. She went to the performing
Speaker 3: our school as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, so she started in the fourth grade, which is
Speaker 4: when the school started.
Speaker 3: I started there in the fifth grade.
Speaker 4: So there was already like this circle of people, this
Speaker 4: circle of friends that already had a year under their
Speaker 4: belt together. Yeah, and me, I roll in in the
Speaker 4: fifth grade, and you know, I have to, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of find my way. But I remember, I mean,
Speaker 4: we grew up classes together. We went out in the
Speaker 4: sixth grade, we went out in the seventh grade, and
Speaker 4: then junior year we got together, got together.
Speaker 2: So that's so funny because my seven year old, or
Speaker 2: my almost seven year old, anytime he has little crushes,
Speaker 2: I always think, what if what if this is the
Speaker 2: girl that Now if we just stay in the same area,
Speaker 2: if they if they keep going to the same schools,
Speaker 2: what if they drew in le it?
Speaker 4: They could they could they could driftingly drool ly it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: We always kind of said that to our kids. It
Speaker 4: was like, hey, you know, it kind of works both
Speaker 4: ways because we be like, hell, oh, don't worry about
Speaker 4: that that kid that's you know, especially my daughter. That
Speaker 4: boy that's teasing you or like pulling your hair doing whatever.
Speaker 4: Class he just likes you. Yeah, Oh, don't worry. He
Speaker 4: won't he won't be around, you know, past this year.
Speaker 4: Well what if it's like you guys that were together
Speaker 4: forever or you know, be nice to that person because
Speaker 4: you never know you might marry them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: It's kind of works both ways.
Speaker 2: I feel like you must have avoided so much embarrassment
Speaker 2: by not having to play the field too much as
Speaker 2: a teenager and young man in your early twenties.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, embarrassment. Yes, I kind of always say that.
Speaker 4: I'm I'd never dated. Yeah, you know, so I can't
Speaker 4: really give dating advice. I just found somebody that I
Speaker 4: that I enjoyed being around and loved and it's just
Speaker 4: been that way, you know, so I can't really give
Speaker 4: advice on dating.
Speaker 3: I can't really you know, be like, oh, well you
Speaker 3: should do this. I don't know what should you do?
Speaker 4: You know, just don't make a fool out of yourself
Speaker 4: and don't screw it up, you know, So I think
Speaker 4: for me, Yeah, there definitely was an element of you know,
Speaker 4: I don't have to have who I'm dating in magazines
Speaker 4: or deal with all that stuff, and it was definitely
Speaker 4: a weight off my shoulders because I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: that kind of That's not how I'm wired.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, for as long as you've been in the industry,
Speaker 2: you've never not been the guy from Ohio. You've never
Speaker 2: been you've never been the Hollywood type. So you've you've really,
Speaker 2: I say this about writer too, you've really managed to
Speaker 2: create a life for yourself that is as authentic as
Speaker 2: humanly possible, considering we work in an industry that's not
Speaker 2: known for its authenticity.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I live in Ohio again, so you know, and
Speaker 4: it makes it a lot easier when you know, I
Speaker 4: don't have to you know, drive over the hill to
Speaker 4: go to my general meetings or have the polo lounge
Speaker 4: club or whatever and.
Speaker 3: All that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, when you're just going to the
Speaker 4: same place as you went to as a high schooler
Speaker 4: and you're still seeing some of the same people that
Speaker 4: you grew up with, it It makes it a lot easier
Speaker 4: to stay grounded in who you want to be versus
Speaker 4: who people think you should be.
Speaker 2: I'd take a meeting at Skyline over the Polar Line
Speaker 2: any day, Yes, just any day for sure.
Speaker 3: Skyline is like my go to agot.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so good. I feel like when I explained
Speaker 2: it to people, they're always like, ew that's I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 2: just stop, I'm not going to explain you just you
Speaker 2: have to try it. Once you try it, that finely
Speaker 2: shredded cheese is so special. Like I used to have
Speaker 2: it shipped to me the Skyline chili cans, but it's
Speaker 2: not the same because that you get, first of all,
Speaker 2: like a little baggy of cheese and I need, you know,
Speaker 2: a pound of it, and you can't. You can't shred
Speaker 2: it as finely as they do it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4: Oh they do it in bulk, you know, That's how
Speaker 4: they do it because each each it has like literally
Speaker 4: like three pounds of cheese.
Speaker 2: It's so good, I know, and I feel like they
Speaker 2: have to have a special machine that's making it that fine.
Speaker 3: And it's great. It's great for your digestive tract too.
Speaker 2: Absolutely correct. It's very healthy. When I when I tell
Speaker 2: you that it's chili on top of pasta with onions,
Speaker 2: and truly, well, you don't need the onions. That's if
Speaker 2: you want them. I like them. But and then, like
Speaker 2: Drew said, somewhere between one to three pounds of cheese
Speaker 2: sitting on top, and boy is it ever good. But
Speaker 2: it's not like thick chili. It's thin. And I know
Speaker 2: one of the secret ingredients is like dark chocolate.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know. I've never seen the secret recipe,
Speaker 3: but there is that rumor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the rumor. They say it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a moley almost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like when you grow up with it,
Speaker 4: it is like it's like ingrain into your DNA.
Speaker 3: It's part of who you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No one ever mentions Ohio to me without me
Speaker 2: talking about Skyline. It's it's easily in my top three
Speaker 2: favorite foods of all time.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Okay, Back to Lea. So she would help choreograph the
Speaker 2: group's dances, right, yeah, although I'm not sure any of
Speaker 2: the four of you really did too much have he
Speaker 2: lifting with dancing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we started off when we got signed to Motown.
Speaker 4: Lori Anne Gibson, you know who, you know, choreographed for everybody.
Speaker 4: She was our choreographer and it was like, all right,
Speaker 4: this is she was like being pulled in a hundred
Speaker 4: different directions. She did our first you know, set of
Speaker 4: shows in our first album, and then Leah, who was
Speaker 4: dancing for Radio City Music Hall at the time, you know,
Speaker 4: went to our manager kind of behind my back and said, look,
Speaker 4: I know these guys. I want them to succeed, you know,
Speaker 4: I know what they're capable of. Let me let me
Speaker 4: get like, let me try and figure this out. And
Speaker 4: he gave he said, he gave her three songs. He
Speaker 4: was like, all right, you do these three songs and
Speaker 4: then we'll go from there. And then she did those
Speaker 4: three songs. The label loved them. It made us look
Speaker 4: like we actually know what we were doing, you know,
Speaker 4: and she's been our choreographer ever since, you know, much
Speaker 4: to her, you know frustration, you know, she has to
Speaker 4: figure out how to how to polish our dance moves,
Speaker 4: you know, as much as possible.
Speaker 3: But yeah, she's a she's a saint.
Speaker 2: Wow. So okay, do you remember then the moment when
Speaker 2: she came to you because you said she went behind
Speaker 2: your back to try and you know, help you guys out.
Speaker 2: Do you remember then the moment when she came to
Speaker 2: and was like, Okay, hi, I'm the new choreographer. I've
Speaker 2: got these three songs. Do you remember what that moment
Speaker 2: was like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I So she didn't want to
Speaker 4: get the job because she was with me. She wanted
Speaker 4: to get the job on her own merits, which is
Speaker 4: very respectable and I appreciate it because it didn't put
Speaker 4: me in the middle had it not worked out. So
Speaker 4: I do remember her saying, so I called your manager.
Speaker 4: I talked to him about this, and this is what happened.
Speaker 4: And I was like, great, oh, let's let's let's go
Speaker 4: for it, all right, let's try it out. And she
Speaker 4: hasn't let us down yet, So I mean, we constantly
Speaker 4: let her down. But you know, she she definitely carries
Speaker 4: her her side of the bargain well.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure having known you all for as long
Speaker 2: as she has, she knows your strengths, she knows your weaknesses.
Speaker 2: So there's probably quite a shortcut that she takes where
Speaker 2: she goes, guess what not even going to try this
Speaker 2: move because I already know can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.
Speaker 4: But we were discovering new weaknesses every time we go
Speaker 4: into rehearsal.
Speaker 2: So you're going to say new strengths.
Speaker 4: Nope, nope, we know what those are and they're diminishing
Speaker 4: day by day.
Speaker 2: Oh, Age, isn't it lovely? With city after city, country
Speaker 2: after country filled with girls in the audience screaming your name?
Speaker 2: Did she ever deal with any jealousy?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean I think she.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's grown up in the art, she's been
Speaker 4: around it the whole time. She's a performer herself, so
Speaker 4: she understands kind of what it is.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think there was ever.
Speaker 4: I mean, there might have been some like why can't
Speaker 4: you say I have a girlfriend kind of thing? Right,
Speaker 4: you know, we first started out because you couldn't have
Speaker 4: a girlfriend to being a boy, Milt, But you know,
Speaker 4: once once we started being like, look I have a girlfriend,
Speaker 4: then it was just like okay, cool. But she, no,
Speaker 4: she never there was never a moment where it was like,
Speaker 4: why are those girls screaming for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think she was just like, that's.
Speaker 4: Great, they're screaming for you, you know, which is a great,
Speaker 4: you know situation, being as opposed to having to try
Speaker 4: and convince somebody yep, that something's okay.
Speaker 3: You know, they're there, you know.
Speaker 4: Proud of your success and happy for your success, not
Speaker 4: trying to you know, cater your success to fit around
Speaker 4: with their you know, their ego needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's good on It kind of goes both
Speaker 2: ways because she's obviously a confident woman who understood the
Speaker 2: industry and was proud of your successes. And on the
Speaker 2: other hand, it doesn't seem like you ever gave her
Speaker 2: any reasons to feel jealous, so you know, yeah, those
Speaker 2: it goes both ways. It speaks a lot about you too.
Speaker 2: You guys have been together through so much over the
Speaker 2: what is it twenty five years now?
Speaker 4: You've been together, we've been married for twenty five Yeah,
Speaker 4: we've been together for another eight on top of that.
Speaker 3: So whatever, quick math thirty thirty three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you think the secret is to
Speaker 2: having made it thirty three years together so far?
Speaker 3: Just try not to screw it up, that's the that's
Speaker 3: the secret.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is just having a level
Speaker 4: of mutual respect for each other. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 4: think regardless of you know, who's doing what working, we're
Speaker 4: you know, we're each other's biggest supporters and cheerleaders, and
Speaker 4: you know, I think that's the biggest thing. You know,
Speaker 4: remember why you got together. Yeah, and stop trying to
Speaker 4: find reasons why you aren't happy, but remember like all
Speaker 4: the reasons why you are. And you know, Okay, so
Speaker 4: I don't always necessarily get my socks in the hamper, right,
Speaker 4: it might be frustrating.
Speaker 3: But is it that big of a deal. Apparently it is,
Speaker 3: But apparently it is.
Speaker 2: It really is in the hamper.
Speaker 3: They're close, they make it close by.
Speaker 4: But no, I think it's like, you know, just not
Speaker 4: sweating the little stuff. Just keep an eye on the prize.
Speaker 2: Unlike a lot of the other boy band groups you who,
Speaker 2: you know, they were put together in casting calls and
Speaker 2: auditions by usually some old creepy dude. The four of
Speaker 2: you were friends from childhood, right, so you guys put
Speaker 2: yourselves together, three of you?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so mean clearly I've known Nick my entire life. Yes,
Speaker 4: we went to school with Justin at the Performing Art
Speaker 4: school as well, So me, Nick, Justin, and Leo all
Speaker 4: went to the same school together. And then a guy
Speaker 4: that we went to school with met Jeff in La
Speaker 4: and then introduced Nick to Jeff. Nick brought Justin in.
Speaker 4: The other guy didn't stick around, and then I came in.
Speaker 4: So then that's kind of how the four of us
Speaker 4: got together. But the three of us knew each other
Speaker 4: since you know, before, you know, before Pubery, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Since the elementary school. Yeah, you guys actually took a
Speaker 2: little bit more of a practical route to achieving your
Speaker 2: musical dreams. You were in the Army and then moved
Speaker 2: to New York and became an EMT. Tell me about
Speaker 2: that decision.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, going to going to the performing art school,
Speaker 4: you know, it was kind of like, all right, which
Speaker 4: which theater program are you going to go into? What
Speaker 4: arts are you going to? And I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't want to be a starving artist. I don't want
Speaker 4: to do that. I want to like have a normal life.
Speaker 4: I want to like do these things. I want to
Speaker 4: have some continuity. And then I so I joined the
Speaker 4: Army because I saw the movie Cliffhanger. You know, so
Speaker 4: Vester Stallone is hanging off the side of a mountain,
Speaker 4: you know, not dropping or I was like, I'm going
Speaker 4: to do that. I'm going to do search and rescue.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to become an EMT. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: to the Army for it. I'm going to get trained.
Speaker 4: I'm going to do all this stuff, and then I'm
Speaker 4: going to live on the side of a mountain somewhere
Speaker 4: and save people that can't read a map or a compass.
Speaker 3: And then it's it's that path started. You know. I
Speaker 3: went to the Army.
Speaker 4: I became a medic out of out of you know,
Speaker 4: basically training medic school. I moved to New York because
Speaker 4: that's where Leo was, uh, and I started driving an
Speaker 4: ambulance in New York for a private company. So I
Speaker 4: didn't get the nine to one one calls. I didn't
Speaker 4: get those calls. I had like strokes and heart attacks,
Speaker 4: broken hips, you know, a lot of the a lot
Speaker 4: of the private nursing home kind of calls.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I got a beep on my beeper.
Speaker 2: I love a beeper. Oh yeah, a story.
Speaker 4: It was great right up until I saw that it
Speaker 4: was an l A number and I had to use
Speaker 4: a bunch of quarters at the pay phone and to
Speaker 4: call it back as opposed to just one. But it
Speaker 4: was Nick and he beat me to see if I've
Speaker 4: intioned in joining the group.
Speaker 3: So it was my.
Speaker 4: Path was a little bit, yeah, a little bit different
Speaker 4: than most people's, but you know, got to the same destination.
Speaker 2: And so what did you say? You get that, you
Speaker 2: get that page that beep from Nick? You call him
Speaker 2: on the payphone. He asks, if you want to join
Speaker 2: the group? Are you like, well, let me think about it.
Speaker 2: I got to talk to Leo. What's what's the what's
Speaker 2: the thought process that runs through your mind?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was. I mean Leo.
Speaker 4: Leah was actually she was on tour working for Radio
Speaker 4: City at the time, so so she we weren't.
Speaker 3: We weren't together.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh, let me It was more like,
Speaker 4: all right, she's off doing her thing. I'm here in
Speaker 4: New York doing my thing. Let me call my dad.
Speaker 4: He's the most practical person I know. So I called
Speaker 4: my dad and he's like, oh, well, it sounds like
Speaker 4: a kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, it probably is.
Speaker 4: He was like, could you go back to driving an
Speaker 4: ambulance if it doesn't work out?
Speaker 3: I was like yeah.
Speaker 4: He was like, so once in a lifetime opportunity, opportunity,
Speaker 4: They'll still be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which one are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: And then two weeks later I packed up my nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty eight Plymouth Sun Dance and drove from New York
Speaker 4: to LA learning my parts.
Speaker 3: Along the way. And then two days later we were
Speaker 3: opening up for James Brown at the House of Blues.
Speaker 3: So kind a kind of a crazy little whirlwind a time.
Speaker 2: That is so cool. I love that, and you know
Speaker 2: that is something that that thought process was exactly the
Speaker 2: thought process I had when I had applied to get
Speaker 2: my master's degree from Chapman University. I had just been accepted.
Speaker 2: The same week I was accepted to Chapman for my masters,
Speaker 2: I got the call about doing Girl Meets World and
Speaker 2: I was like, but I I thought I was for
Speaker 2: sure going to go forward and get my masters, And
Speaker 2: now this came up. What should I do? And it
Speaker 2: was like, doing Girl Meets World is never going to
Speaker 2: come around again. Getting to play Tipanga twenty years after
Speaker 2: the show ended is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 2: I can always go back and get my masters any time,
Speaker 2: And you do. You always go for the once in
Speaker 2: a lifetime not so safe necessarily, but always take that
Speaker 2: risk in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for me, I was like, all right, I
Speaker 4: was kind of laying out this plan, like all right,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna either you know, join like EMS New York
Speaker 4: City MS or the fire department or maybe even go
Speaker 4: to you know, nursing school because I'm still like doing
Speaker 4: like reserve training. So I'm like, oh, I can get
Speaker 4: the army to maybe do my nursing school. And then
Speaker 4: like my whole head, my whole plan was around like
Speaker 4: first responder EMS emergency medicine, and then this happened, and
Speaker 4: then I was just kind of like.
Speaker 3: What wait a second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, growing up, performing and doing all
Speaker 4: that stuff, you know that it doesn't really go away.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like part of part of who you are.
Speaker 4: So given the opportunity to, you know, scratch that itch
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, just kind of had to
Speaker 4: see what.
Speaker 3: It was about.
Speaker 2: Did you ever save any lives?
Speaker 3: Uh? I hope?
Speaker 2: So yeah, look at you.
Speaker 4: My first call on my first day, I lost one,
Speaker 4: which was a really really tough way to start my career.
Speaker 3: As an EMT.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so nineteen years old, you know, first call, still
Speaker 4: a trainee. Yeah, lady lady coated on a stretcher.
Speaker 2: Oh man, had she had a heart attack or a stroke.
Speaker 4: She had a long list of you know, medical ailments
Speaker 4: in history and you know, renal failure and a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff. But it still doesn't make it a
Speaker 4: whole lot of a whole lot easier. But you know,
Speaker 4: you try and you know, learn from it. Yeah, move forward.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well day one, Well, welcome to adulting.
Speaker 2: Welcome exactly. Do you remember your first real pinch me
Speaker 2: moment in.
Speaker 4: La Yeah, I mean there were a couple, a couple
Speaker 4: of big moments. I mean, the first time you hear
Speaker 4: your your song on the radio. That's a that's a
Speaker 4: monumental one, you know, But I think for me, there
Speaker 4: were ones that were you know, leading up to it.
Speaker 4: You know, you get to get to meet certain people.
Speaker 4: You don't have to wait in line at a club,
Speaker 4: those those those little things that you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be standing outside like everybody else, and then you
Speaker 4: walk up and it's like, hey, come on in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you walk up, Sarah is there. You're like, whoa Sarah?
Speaker 4: And then you become friends with the people and then
Speaker 4: you know it, you know, just kind of goes from there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think you know, clearly, getting
Speaker 4: to do a duet with Stevie Wonder, Yeah, that's absolutely
Speaker 4: meeting boys demand for the first time, you know, another
Speaker 4: one of those moments. And then you become friends and
Speaker 4: you tour together and you know, those those kind of
Speaker 4: things that you never could have dream of when you
Speaker 4: were listened to, you know, coolly high harmony and learning
Speaker 4: all the words to Motown Philly. And the next thing
Speaker 4: you know, you know, Sean's on one side of you,
Speaker 4: Awanya is on the other, and you're just like, and
Speaker 4: this is my life?
Speaker 2: How did this happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, so it doesn't to me.
Speaker 4: It was always kind of like I was always the
Speaker 4: guy that never wanted to introduce myself to anybody.
Speaker 3: I never wanted to be like, hey, I'm true from
Speaker 3: ninety eight degrees or.
Speaker 4: Like do anything, because I didn't want to deal with
Speaker 4: I'm sorry who right, like, oh, we're we're signed the
Speaker 4: Motown And then you know, my for al little ego
Speaker 4: couldn't have handled that, you know, so I just kind
Speaker 4: of like sat back and watched a little bit more.
Speaker 4: But luckily we had some some people around us that
Speaker 4: they didn't subscribe to that same thing, and they would
Speaker 4: just be like, hey, this is ninety degrees, and then yeah.
Speaker 3: I got I got the benefit of their their balls.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's like one of the best parts
Speaker 2: about having people on your team is that they can
Speaker 2: do the awkward, uncomfortable stuff so that you don't have
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: It exactly exactly. Everybody needs one of those people in
Speaker 3: their lives for sure.
Speaker 2: I'd like to talk for a second about tribal arm tattoos.
Speaker 2: You and Nick have absolutely legendary ones, arguably the best
Speaker 2: of the decade, if you don't count Pamela Anderson's barbed wire.
Speaker 2: Where did you get them? And were your parents ever
Speaker 2: against tattoos?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think my parents are still against tattoos. No,
Speaker 4: we got them in Atlanta. Yeah, I actually in a
Speaker 4: box somewhere has still had like the business card of
Speaker 4: the tattoo par that we went to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were recording in Atlanta for our first record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I don't it was kind of
Speaker 4: like this thing, like it wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 4: cliche at the time, of course not. It was like
Speaker 4: cutting edge at the time, Like people weren't getting tattoos.
Speaker 4: So we were bad asses for getting tattooed totally, you know,
Speaker 4: and then you know you're like, we don't want to
Speaker 4: like like matching, so we got similar.
Speaker 3: But then the l for our last name the brothers
Speaker 3: is the same.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of us together. Yeah, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a place at Lantin Jeff got Jeff got
Speaker 4: some sort of writing on on his on his chest
Speaker 4: and he thought it meant one thing, and then he's
Speaker 4: not sure, it means that depends on.
Speaker 3: Where you are in the world something else. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's all just stories life.
Speaker 2: Will my Pod meets World co host and Boy meets
Speaker 2: World co star had I think Japanese. I think Japanese symbols,
Speaker 2: but one of them is he had war on one
Speaker 2: ankle and peace on the other ankle. And he was
Speaker 2: walking on the beach somewhere and someone stopped him and said, huh,
Speaker 2: your tattoos war and why this one? And Will said
Speaker 2: it war in peace and he said, no, that's war,
Speaker 2: but that's to eat. And Bill was like what and
Speaker 2: the guy was like, I'm just kidding, it's peace. It's
Speaker 2: just so funny because you know, yeah, when you don't
Speaker 2: speak the language, but you get the symbols, you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily know.
Speaker 4: Oh this symbol means daughter and it doesn't mean daughter,
Speaker 4: just means girl, right, you know, it's like you're just
Speaker 4: a girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still little things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a number one hit and Grammy nomination
Speaker 2: with Mariah Carey, an icon especially of the time. Did
Speaker 2: you get to interact a lot with her?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at the time, we didn't like when we recorded,
Speaker 4: she wasn't in the studio. We recorded Jimmy Jaime and
Speaker 4: Terry Lewis, we were on tour. She was on tour.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like two ships passing in the night.
Speaker 4: But when we shot the video for it, she did,
Speaker 4: you know, come out to our tour stop. Because we
Speaker 4: were literally like six days a week. We have no
Speaker 4: time to travel somewhere shoot a video. So you know,
Speaker 4: the thing, God I found you video was basically on
Speaker 4: our you know, yellow and black, you know, like bumblebee looking,
Speaker 4: you know, tour set in the middle of somewhere and
Speaker 4: you know, the middle of America, and it was just
Speaker 4: kind of like, all right, let's just make a video
Speaker 4: for it. And then we did like a Christmas special.
Speaker 4: And you know, if we're talking about like not wanting
Speaker 4: to like put yourself out there. I actually so I
Speaker 4: consult on some some movies that film here in Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: and she came in here and did a Hallmark movie and.
Speaker 3: She directed it and starred in it.
Speaker 4: And I was, you know, one of the you know,
Speaker 4: consultants for some of the performances. And we're at the
Speaker 4: first table read and she was sitting there like with
Speaker 4: her her sunglasses on, and we're like, she was sitting
Speaker 4: across the table from me, and it gets to me
Speaker 4: we're like introducing ourselves, and she literally like pulls her
Speaker 4: sunglasses down and looks at me.
Speaker 5: She's like, I know you. I was like, thank god,
Speaker 5: because it would have been really embarrassing had you like, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm Drew blah blah blah, and you like okay, like.
Speaker 2: Just just for yeah, hello, nice to meet you, sir.
Speaker 4: So at least she acknowledged that we had worked together
Speaker 4: and we had a number one together, and so that
Speaker 4: was that was good because that would have been really embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been tough to I have to
Speaker 2: say hello again and reintroduce myself. Yes, you also survived
Speaker 2: reality TV well before it was a way to become famous.
Speaker 2: The Nick and Jessica era was very much in the
Speaker 2: spotlight and that always kind of seemed uncomfortable for the Laches.
Speaker 2: Was that a lot to deal with at the time.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, everybody that gets into reality now
Speaker 4: knows what they're getting into. Yeah, at that time, it
Speaker 4: was the Osbourne's and that show. So it was you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of you know, beginning the incubation period of
Speaker 4: what reality was going to become. I think early on
Speaker 4: it was for the most part reality, Like we just
Speaker 4: kind of lived our lives.
Speaker 3: We had cameras following.
Speaker 4: Us pretty much twenty four hours a day, and you know,
Speaker 4: they got their stuff, and then they edited together as
Speaker 4: the show, you know, progressed, and as reality TV progressed,
Speaker 4: they figured, oh, well, let's kind of shape our storylines.
Speaker 4: You know, shoot what we need to shoot, you know,
Speaker 4: and then you know, save a bunch of money and
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. And that's when stuff kind of
Speaker 4: got a little bit more, you know, a little more annoying,
Speaker 4: a little more difficult. You know, you're living somebody else's story,
Speaker 4: living someone else's life. But you know, as things progress,
Speaker 4: you realize you're like, all right, well, in order to
Speaker 4: control this, we need to get you know, executive producer
Speaker 4: credit on it so we can be there for the
Speaker 4: editing and we can do all that stuff. So you
Speaker 4: learn as it goes. But it was it was always
Speaker 4: something that was a bit of a something.
Speaker 3: It was just kind of always a little bit weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why right, Yeah, it seems like an uncomfortable way
Speaker 2: to live.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: Have you been watching the rebirth of Dancing with the
Speaker 2: Stars at all?
Speaker 4: So the strange part for me is that my daughter
Speaker 4: who was not even born yet, my wife was pregnant
Speaker 4: when I was on the show.
Speaker 3: She is now a big fan of Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 4: So for me like this, you know, little nugget, who
Speaker 4: was born two weeks after I won, you know, is
Speaker 4: now watching the show that you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, you helped pioneer. I was.
Speaker 4: I was part of the beginning of you know, so
Speaker 4: I definitely do follow it, you know, because you know,
Speaker 4: you can't be a part of it and then not
Speaker 4: get asked about it or or not, you know, have
Speaker 4: some sort.
Speaker 3: Of connection to it. Of course, I mean.
Speaker 4: The people that I came up with, none of them
Speaker 4: are really there anymore or their judges, Yeah, on the
Speaker 4: panel now, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's it's a little different.
Speaker 4: But you know, I definitely appreciate that that show is
Speaker 4: still on and that, you know, it kind of like
Speaker 4: went to the streaming world, you know, was able to
Speaker 4: come back because you know, the arts and dancing and
Speaker 4: the joy that that show kind of has deserves a
Speaker 4: place on network.
Speaker 3: TV for everybody to see it.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I do enjoy the fact that it's back
Speaker 4: and people are still enjoying it and new people have
Speaker 4: discovered it, even though those new people don't know who
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: Not true, Well, that's true. They do show They do
Speaker 3: show clips sometimes in my freestyle, so.
Speaker 2: They sure do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Now, you have also become a home remodel expert. Were
Speaker 2: you always handy? Have you and Leah flipped properties before?
Speaker 2: Have you done renovations a little bit?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: I think like most people, like if you redo your
Speaker 4: house and you hire a contractor you have some sort
Speaker 4: of nightmare story. You know, I have one of those
Speaker 4: I got taken advantage of. And you know, my my
Speaker 4: pride couldn't handle the fact that I got bamboozled and
Speaker 4: I couldn't I didn't know it. So I started trying
Speaker 4: to learn everything I could about how houses work and
Speaker 4: you know what I could do myself. And then you start,
Speaker 4: you know, expanding on those skills and you know, like
Speaker 4: literally listeners were done here. I'm redoing a friend's bathroom,
Speaker 4: so I'm going over there to you know, finish the
Speaker 4: dry wall and start laying the tile.
Speaker 3: You know. So it's it's just kind of become part
Speaker 3: of who I am.
Speaker 4: And I do find like there's a there's like a
Speaker 4: grounding to it, like it be able to do something
Speaker 4: with your hands versus like everything else that I do.
Speaker 3: It's you know, there's something tangible about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of everything else I do is like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm writing this song and it's I can't hold it,
Speaker 4: you know. So I think like home renovation number one,
Speaker 4: there's a sense of pride. Number two, it saves yourself
Speaker 4: a fortune. And number three there is this you know,
Speaker 4: actual you know, before and after a moment that you
Speaker 4: can kind of appreciate but totally Yeah, we did a
Speaker 4: little bit of flipping, but clearly my skills have improved
Speaker 4: over the last you know, fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I also love about a home renovation that you can
Speaker 2: every day set goals that then at the end of
Speaker 2: the day you're like, there, I accomplished those goals. Like
Speaker 2: today you're going to do the drywall. You're you know what,
Speaker 2: and that's maybe the goal for the day is just
Speaker 2: finish the drywall before or lay whatever you need to
Speaker 2: lay in order to put the tile down. Whereas you're right,
Speaker 2: like in the Creative Arts, there's like we're gonna record
Speaker 2: this part of the song, but it still doesn't like
Speaker 2: get you to a you know, you don't. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not tangible. It's yeah, very exciting, even.
Speaker 4: Though I supposed to finish the drywall three days ago
Speaker 4: and I just keep you know, I just keep sanding
Speaker 4: and it's not right, so I keep redoing it and
Speaker 4: keep standing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 2: You know what, I want a perfectionist doing my home remodel,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: As you should. As you should, we're.
Speaker 2: About ready to do a home remodel. So I'm very
Speaker 2: very interested in this journey. So the new show is
Speaker 2: called Rock the Block, and it's celebrities competing against each
Speaker 2: other who are paired with experts and building in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So it's it's you know for for very
Speaker 4: familiar HGTV faces. Yeah, you know, so it's Mina and
Speaker 4: Kim Scott and Tanya. Me and Tanya were paired up,
Speaker 4: and then Brooke Hogan, Vernon Davis, Chelsea Meisner and me
Speaker 4: so you got you know, reality Star, NFL Player, Southern
Speaker 4: Charm Survivor, and then me which was category you want
Speaker 4: to toss me into. But all four of us also
Speaker 4: have you know, either design experience or construction experience or
Speaker 4: things like that, So it was a lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun to kind of get in there and you're literally given.
Speaker 4: A shell of a house. We're all have matching shells,
Speaker 4: and we have to design and build out these houses.
Speaker 4: Like each each week you're like this new new section
Speaker 4: of the house.
Speaker 3: And the show has been around. This is the seventh season.
Speaker 4: It's been the number one show for HGTV for for
Speaker 4: a while, but this is just a new twist on
Speaker 4: it in Vegas, you know, like doing construction on the
Speaker 4: Dusty Moon. You know, I guess the Dusty Sun is
Speaker 4: a better comparison, but it was. It was a lot
Speaker 4: of fun and I'm excited for people to finally see it.
Speaker 2: Wow, I can't wait to watch what is the most
Speaker 2: difficult thing you've done so far when it comes to
Speaker 2: a remodel.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the things that people find the
Speaker 4: least sexy are the most difficult. You know, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm running new electric, you know, people are people don't
Speaker 4: care about that. They just want to know it's done right.
Speaker 4: They want to know that the tile is pretty and
Speaker 4: that's the right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, let's take this wall down.
Speaker 4: I'm more intrigued by like the guts of the house, like, oh,
Speaker 4: today's plumbing, yeah righties, yes, yes, let's make sure the
Speaker 4: toilet doesn't overflow, you know, things like that. But you
Speaker 4: know I've done I've kind of messed with everything, you know,
Speaker 4: from you know, poorn foundations to throwing a roof on.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, you know, from the ground
Speaker 4: up to the to the top to you know, you
Speaker 4: just learn as you go and you find the right
Speaker 4: people to teach you, and it's kind of like anything.
Speaker 2: We kept this little Cancun reunion going. Is Drew stuck
Speaker 2: around for our bonus episode coming out this Friday on
Speaker 2: the dedicated teen Beat feed. Make sure to check that
Speaker 2: out and watch Drew on the new season of Rock
Speaker 2: the Block on HDTV. Teen Beat is an iHeart podcast
Speaker 2: produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel. Executive producers Jensen Karp
Speaker 2: and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production Danielle Romo,
Speaker 2: producer and editor Tara Subosch. The theme song is by
Speaker 2: mar Coppus. Yes that Mark Coppus. Follow us on Instagram
Speaker 2: at teen beat Pod