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Speaker 2: It's once again time for teen Beat, the podcast where

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Speaker 2: I Danielle Fischel, sit down with interesting people in an

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Speaker 2: attempt to pry into their awkward teenage years and figure

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Speaker 2: out how they turned into fully functioning adults. It's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a quid pro quo, you see, since my

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Speaker 2: own journey through puberty in the nineties was televised to

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Speaker 2: In a nutshell, I gave you my childhood. It's time

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Speaker 2: we hear yours. And this week I get to do

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Speaker 2: a little time traveling myself because the guests and I

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Speaker 2: have roots in the glorious frosted tip chaos of the

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Speaker 2: Y two K boy Band Invasion, and we shared a

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Speaker 2: few days of MTV Spring Break, Glory and Cancun together.

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Speaker 2: But more on that later. First, he somehow went from

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Speaker 2: of thousands of screaming fans in the band ninety eight Degrees,

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Speaker 2: alongside his brother Nick and his high school sweetheart now

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Speaker 2: wife of twenty five years, Leah, who doubled as a

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Speaker 2: dancer and choreographer for the group. During ninety eight Degrees run,

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Speaker 2: they sold over fifteen million records, notched eight top forty hits,

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Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, recorded with Stevie Wonder, toured with Janet Jackson,

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Speaker 2: and carried on a motown boy band tradition, following in

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Speaker 2: and The Temptations, And ten years later, in just the

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Speaker 2: second season of Dancing with the Stars Ever, he took

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Speaker 2: becoming one of the show's most beloved contestants of all time.

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Speaker 2: Throw In stops on Broadway, hosting gigs, comeback tours, a

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Speaker 2: American Ninja Warrior Obstacle course. Almost thirty years after ninety

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Speaker 2: eight Degrees debut album, He's proof that some nineties heart

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Speaker 2: throbs never really clock out. But somewhere underneath the white

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Speaker 2: that tribal armband tattoo, is just a boy in Ohio

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Speaker 2: going through all the same weird teenage milestones you did,

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Speaker 2: and today we're gonna find that kid. Welcome to teen Beat.

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Speaker 2: My guest this week, pop star champion, ballroom dancer, host

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Speaker 2: and home renovation guru Drew Lache.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, that was the I'm like over, you're laughing,

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Speaker 3: there's bringing myself to tears. That was quite the introduction.

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Speaker 3: I forgot I did some of that stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it so nice to get to hear all the

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Speaker 2: accomplishments you've had, or at least some of them read

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Speaker 2: back to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes it sound like my life's been somewhat successful.

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Speaker 2: It really has. You've lived a very successful life, both

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Speaker 2: the less stellar stuff, some of the awkward, embarrassing, worst

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Speaker 2: moments of teenagehood. Thank you for doing the show. I

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Speaker 2: think this is now at least the second time you've

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Speaker 2: been forced to hang out with me, the first time

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Speaker 2: being in Cankun when I went to visit Lance, and

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Speaker 2: then the minute I got there, Lance and the rest

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Speaker 2: I'll just set you up with the ninety eight degrees guys.

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Speaker 2: They're the greatest, and you'll just hang out with them.

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Speaker 2: And I literally just followed you guys around for like

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Speaker 4: There were some random booze cruise in there somewhere, and

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Speaker 2: It was a spring break.

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Speaker 2: It really is. Every time I think back to it,

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Speaker 4: You're just you're scared that if you say no, that's

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Speaker 3: So if you said no to something, it was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Did you ever want of that?

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Speaker 2: If so, you never let on I have told everyone

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Speaker 2: You made sure I always had plans for dinner, like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to take make sure everybody's taken care of,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Would I tell people that those nineties boy bands,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everybody thinks it was like this really

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Speaker 3: No, I mean we you know, I think it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still teenage boys at heart.

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Speaker 4: We are we are, we are gray hair, but you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, were you guys all being shopped to the same

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Speaker 4: Swedish mastermind and you know who did like because you

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about growing up in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Were you guys raised with music playing in the house.

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Speaker 2: How did you and Nick catch this performing bug?

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Speaker 4: free and train and have all these great opportunities. So

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Speaker 4: we shifted to that, me and the fifth grade, him

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Speaker 4: doing shows and you know, singing everything from opera to

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Speaker 4: once we started at that school, it kind of just exploded.

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Speaker 2: I want to know more about this performing arts school.

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Speaker 2: Was it like fame? Were kids just dancing and singing

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Speaker 4: You know, you're you're there's always strengthened numbers. But they

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Speaker 2: So that's so funny because my seven year old, or

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Speaker 4: Well what if it's like you guys that were together

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of works both ways.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you must have avoided so much embarrassment

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, embarrassment. Yes, I kind of always say that.

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Speaker 3: I can't really you know, be like, oh, well you

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Speaker 4: You know, just don't make a fool out of yourself

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, for as long as you've been in the industry,

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Speaker 2: you've never not been the guy from Ohio. You've never

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Speaker 2: I say this about writer too, you've really managed to

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I live in Ohio again, so you know, and

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Speaker 3: All that stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, when you're just going to the

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Speaker 2: I'd take a meeting at Skyline over the Polar Line

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Speaker 3: Skyline is like my go to agot.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's so good. I feel like when I explained

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Speaker 2: it shipped to me the Skyline chili cans, but it's

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.

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Speaker 4: Oh they do it in bulk, you know, That's how

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Speaker 2: It's so good, I know, and I feel like they

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Speaker 3: And it's great. It's great for your digestive tract too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely correct. It's very healthy. When I when I tell

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't know. I've never seen the secret recipe,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like when you grow up with it,

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Speaker 3: It's part of who you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No one ever mentions Ohio to me without me

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Speaker 2: talking about Skyline. It's it's easily in my top three

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Speaker 2: Okay, Back to Lea. So she would help choreograph the

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Speaker 4: I know what they're capable of. Let me let me

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Speaker 4: and she's been our choreographer ever since, you know, much

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Speaker 3: But yeah, she's a she's a saint.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I So she didn't want to

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Speaker 4: I talked to him about this, and this is what happened.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure having known you all for as long

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Speaker 2: she goes, guess what not even going to try this

439
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: move because I already know can't do it.

440
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.

441
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 4: But we were discovering new weaknesses every time we go

442
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 4: into rehearsal.

443
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: So you're going to say new strengths.

444
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 4: Nope, nope, we know what those are and they're diminishing

445
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 4: day by day.

446
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 2: Oh, Age, isn't it lovely? With city after city, country

447
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: after country filled with girls in the audience screaming your name?

448
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: Did she ever deal with any jealousy?

449
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: Uh?

450
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean I think she.

451
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 4: I mean, she's grown up in the art, she's been

452
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 4: around it the whole time. She's a performer herself, so

453
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: she understands kind of what it is.

454
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think there was ever.

455
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, there might have been some like why can't

456
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 4: you say I have a girlfriend kind of thing? Right,

457
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 4: you know, we first started out because you couldn't have

458
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 4: a girlfriend to being a boy, Milt, But you know,

459
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: once once we started being like, look I have a girlfriend,

460
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 4: then it was just like okay, cool. But she, no,

461
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: she never there was never a moment where it was like,

462
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,959
Speaker 4: why are those girls screaming for you?

463
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think she was just like, that's.

464
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: Great, they're screaming for you, you know, which is a great,

465
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 4: you know situation, being as opposed to having to try

466
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: and convince somebody yep, that something's okay.

467
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: You know, they're there, you know.

468
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 4: Proud of your success and happy for your success, not

469
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: trying to you know, cater your success to fit around

470
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 4: with their you know, their ego needs.

471
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's good on It kind of goes both

472
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: ways because she's obviously a confident woman who understood the

473
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: industry and was proud of your successes. And on the

474
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: other hand, it doesn't seem like you ever gave her

475
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: any reasons to feel jealous, so you know, yeah, those

476
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: it goes both ways. It speaks a lot about you too.

477
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: You guys have been together through so much over the

478
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: what is it twenty five years now?

479
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: You've been together, we've been married for twenty five Yeah,

480
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: we've been together for another eight on top of that.

481
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: So whatever, quick math thirty thirty three?

482
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you think the secret is to

483
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: having made it thirty three years together so far?

484
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: Just try not to screw it up, that's the that's

485
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: the secret.

486
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is just having a level

487
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 4: of mutual respect for each other. Yeah, you know, I

488
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 4: think regardless of you know, who's doing what working, we're

489
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 4: you know, we're each other's biggest supporters and cheerleaders, and

490
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 4: you know, I think that's the biggest thing. You know,

491
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 4: remember why you got together. Yeah, and stop trying to

492
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 4: find reasons why you aren't happy, but remember like all

493
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: the reasons why you are. And you know, Okay, so

494
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: I don't always necessarily get my socks in the hamper, right,

495
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: it might be frustrating.

496
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: But is it that big of a deal. Apparently it is,

497
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: But apparently it is.

498
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: It really is in the hamper.

499
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: They're close, they make it close by.

500
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 4: But no, I think it's like, you know, just not

501
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 4: sweating the little stuff. Just keep an eye on the prize.

502
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: Unlike a lot of the other boy band groups you who,

503
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, they were put together in casting calls and

504
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: auditions by usually some old creepy dude. The four of

505
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: you were friends from childhood, right, so you guys put

506
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: yourselves together, three of you?

507
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so mean clearly I've known Nick my entire life. Yes,

508
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: we went to school with Justin at the Performing Art

509
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 4: school as well, So me, Nick, Justin, and Leo all

510
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 4: went to the same school together. And then a guy

511
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: that we went to school with met Jeff in La

512
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: and then introduced Nick to Jeff. Nick brought Justin in.

513
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: The other guy didn't stick around, and then I came in.

514
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 4: So then that's kind of how the four of us

515
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: got together. But the three of us knew each other

516
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: since you know, before, you know, before Pubery, Yeah.

517
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Since the elementary school. Yeah, you guys actually took a

518
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: little bit more of a practical route to achieving your

519
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: musical dreams. You were in the Army and then moved

520
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: to New York and became an EMT. Tell me about

521
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: that decision.

522
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, going to going to the performing art school,

523
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 4: you know, it was kind of like, all right, which

524
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: which theater program are you going to go into? What

525
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: arts are you going to? And I was like, I

526
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: don't want to be a starving artist. I don't want

527
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: to do that. I want to like have a normal life.

528
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: I want to like do these things. I want to

529
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: have some continuity. And then I so I joined the

530
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 4: Army because I saw the movie Cliffhanger. You know, so

531
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: Vester Stallone is hanging off the side of a mountain,

532
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: you know, not dropping or I was like, I'm going

533
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: to do that. I'm going to do search and rescue.

534
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: So I'm going to become an EMT. I'm gonna go

535
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: to the Army for it. I'm going to get trained.

536
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to do all this stuff, and then I'm

537
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: going to live on the side of a mountain somewhere

538
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: and save people that can't read a map or a compass.

539
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: And then it's it's that path started. You know. I

540
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: went to the Army.

541
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: I became a medic out of out of you know,

542
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: basically training medic school. I moved to New York because

543
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: that's where Leo was, uh, and I started driving an

544
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: ambulance in New York for a private company. So I

545
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 4: didn't get the nine to one one calls. I didn't

546
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: get those calls. I had like strokes and heart attacks,

547
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: broken hips, you know, a lot of the a lot

548
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 4: of the private nursing home kind of calls.

549
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: And then you know, I got a beep on my beeper.

550
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: I love a beeper. Oh yeah, a story.

551
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: It was great right up until I saw that it

552
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 4: was an l A number and I had to use

553
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of quarters at the pay phone and to

554
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: call it back as opposed to just one. But it

555
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: was Nick and he beat me to see if I've

556
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 4: intioned in joining the group.

557
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: So it was my.

558
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: Path was a little bit, yeah, a little bit different

559
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: than most people's, but you know, got to the same destination.

560
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: And so what did you say? You get that, you

561
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: get that page that beep from Nick? You call him

562
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: on the payphone. He asks, if you want to join

563
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: the group? Are you like, well, let me think about it.

564
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: I got to talk to Leo. What's what's the what's

565
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: the thought process that runs through your mind?

566
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was. I mean Leo.

567
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: Leah was actually she was on tour working for Radio

568
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: City at the time, so so she we weren't.

569
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: We weren't together.

570
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh, let me It was more like,

571
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: all right, she's off doing her thing. I'm here in

572
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: New York doing my thing. Let me call my dad.

573
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: He's the most practical person I know. So I called

574
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 4: my dad and he's like, oh, well, it sounds like

575
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: a kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity.

576
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, it probably is.

577
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: He was like, could you go back to driving an

578
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: ambulance if it doesn't work out?

579
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: I was like yeah.

580
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 4: He was like, so once in a lifetime opportunity, opportunity,

581
00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: They'll still be there.

582
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, which one are you gonna do?

583
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 4: And then two weeks later I packed up my nineteen

584
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: eighty eight Plymouth Sun Dance and drove from New York

585
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: to LA learning my parts.

586
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: Along the way. And then two days later we were

587
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: opening up for James Brown at the House of Blues.

588
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: So kind a kind of a crazy little whirlwind a time.

589
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: That is so cool. I love that, and you know

590
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: that is something that that thought process was exactly the

591
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: thought process I had when I had applied to get

592
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: my master's degree from Chapman University. I had just been accepted.

593
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: The same week I was accepted to Chapman for my masters,

594
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: I got the call about doing Girl Meets World and

595
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: I was like, but I I thought I was for

596
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: sure going to go forward and get my masters, And

597
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: now this came up. What should I do? And it

598
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: was like, doing Girl Meets World is never going to

599
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: come around again. Getting to play Tipanga twenty years after

600
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: the show ended is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

601
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: I can always go back and get my masters any time,

602
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: And you do. You always go for the once in

603
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: a lifetime not so safe necessarily, but always take that

604
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: risk in my opinion.

605
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for me, I was like, all right, I

606
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: was kind of laying out this plan, like all right,

607
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna either you know, join like EMS New York

608
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: City MS or the fire department or maybe even go

609
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: to you know, nursing school because I'm still like doing

610
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: like reserve training. So I'm like, oh, I can get

611
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: the army to maybe do my nursing school. And then

612
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: like my whole head, my whole plan was around like

613
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: first responder EMS emergency medicine, and then this happened, and

614
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: then I was just kind of like.

615
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: What wait a second.

616
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, growing up, performing and doing all

617
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: that stuff, you know that it doesn't really go away.

618
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: It's kind of like part of part of who you are.

619
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: So given the opportunity to, you know, scratch that itch

620
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, just kind of had to

621
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: see what.

622
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: It was about.

623
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Did you ever save any lives?

624
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: Uh? I hope?

625
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, look at you.

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: My first call on my first day, I lost one,

627
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: which was a really really tough way to start my career.

628
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: As an EMT.

629
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so nineteen years old, you know, first call, still

630
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: a trainee. Yeah, lady lady coated on a stretcher.

631
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: Oh man, had she had a heart attack or a stroke.

632
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: She had a long list of you know, medical ailments

633
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: in history and you know, renal failure and a whole

634
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff. But it still doesn't make it a

635
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: whole lot of a whole lot easier. But you know,

636
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: you try and you know, learn from it. Yeah, move forward.

637
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, well day one, Well, welcome to adulting.

638
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Welcome exactly. Do you remember your first real pinch me

639
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: moment in.

640
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: La Yeah, I mean there were a couple, a couple

641
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: of big moments. I mean, the first time you hear

642
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: your your song on the radio. That's a that's a

643
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: monumental one, you know, But I think for me, there

644
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: were ones that were you know, leading up to it.

645
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: You know, you get to get to meet certain people.

646
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: You don't have to wait in line at a club,

647
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: those those those little things that you're like, oh, I'm

648
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: gonna be standing outside like everybody else, and then you

649
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: walk up and it's like, hey, come on in.

650
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you walk up, Sarah is there. You're like, whoa Sarah?

651
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: And then you become friends with the people and then

652
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: you know it, you know, just kind of goes from there.

653
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think you know, clearly, getting

654
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: to do a duet with Stevie Wonder, Yeah, that's absolutely

655
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: meeting boys demand for the first time, you know, another

656
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: one of those moments. And then you become friends and

657
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: you tour together and you know, those those kind of

658
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 4: things that you never could have dream of when you

659
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: were listened to, you know, coolly high harmony and learning

660
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: all the words to Motown Philly. And the next thing

661
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: you know, you know, Sean's on one side of you,

662
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: Awanya is on the other, and you're just like, and

663
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: this is my life?

664
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: How did this happen?

665
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, so it doesn't to me.

666
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: It was always kind of like I was always the

667
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: guy that never wanted to introduce myself to anybody.

668
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: I never wanted to be like, hey, I'm true from

669
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: ninety eight degrees or.

670
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: Like do anything, because I didn't want to deal with

671
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry who right, like, oh, we're we're signed the

672
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: Motown And then you know, my for al little ego

673
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: couldn't have handled that, you know, so I just kind

674
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: of like sat back and watched a little bit more.

675
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: But luckily we had some some people around us that

676
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: they didn't subscribe to that same thing, and they would

677
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: just be like, hey, this is ninety degrees, and then yeah.

678
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: I got I got the benefit of their their balls.

679
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: I love that. That's like one of the best parts

680
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: about having people on your team is that they can

681
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: do the awkward, uncomfortable stuff so that you don't have

682
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: to do.

683
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: It exactly exactly. Everybody needs one of those people in

684
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: their lives for sure.

685
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to talk for a second about tribal arm tattoos.

686
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: You and Nick have absolutely legendary ones, arguably the best

687
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: of the decade, if you don't count Pamela Anderson's barbed wire.

688
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: Where did you get them? And were your parents ever

689
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 2: against tattoos?

690
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

691
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think my parents are still against tattoos. No,

692
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: we got them in Atlanta. Yeah, I actually in a

693
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: box somewhere has still had like the business card of

694
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: the tattoo par that we went to.

695
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were recording in Atlanta for our first record.

696
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I don't it was kind of

697
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: like this thing, like it wasn't like it wasn't like

698
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: cliche at the time, of course not. It was like

699
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: cutting edge at the time, Like people weren't getting tattoos.

700
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: So we were bad asses for getting tattooed totally, you know,

701
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: and then you know you're like, we don't want to

702
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: like like matching, so we got similar.

703
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: But then the l for our last name the brothers

704
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: is the same.

705
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: You know.

706
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: It's just kind of us together. Yeah, so yeah, it was.

707
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: It was a place at Lantin Jeff got Jeff got

708
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: some sort of writing on on his on his chest

709
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: and he thought it meant one thing, and then he's

710
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: not sure, it means that depends on.

711
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: Where you are in the world something else. Yeah, it's

712
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's all just stories life.

713
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: Will my Pod meets World co host and Boy meets

714
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: World co star had I think Japanese. I think Japanese symbols,

715
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: but one of them is he had war on one

716
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: ankle and peace on the other ankle. And he was

717
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: walking on the beach somewhere and someone stopped him and said, huh,

718
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: your tattoos war and why this one? And Will said

719
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: it war in peace and he said, no, that's war,

720
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: but that's to eat. And Bill was like what and

721
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: the guy was like, I'm just kidding, it's peace. It's

722
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: just so funny because you know, yeah, when you don't

723
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: speak the language, but you get the symbols, you don't

724
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: necessarily know.

725
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: Oh this symbol means daughter and it doesn't mean daughter,

726
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: just means girl, right, you know, it's like you're just

727
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: a girl.

728
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still little things like that.

729
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a number one hit and Grammy nomination

730
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: with Mariah Carey, an icon especially of the time. Did

731
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: you get to interact a lot with her?

732
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at the time, we didn't like when we recorded,

733
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: she wasn't in the studio. We recorded Jimmy Jaime and

734
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: Terry Lewis, we were on tour. She was on tour.

735
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: You know, it's like two ships passing in the night.

736
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: But when we shot the video for it, she did,

737
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: you know, come out to our tour stop. Because we

738
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: were literally like six days a week. We have no

739
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: time to travel somewhere shoot a video. So you know,

740
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: the thing, God I found you video was basically on

741
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: our you know, yellow and black, you know, like bumblebee looking,

742
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: you know, tour set in the middle of somewhere and

743
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: you know, the middle of America, and it was just

744
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: kind of like, all right, let's just make a video

745
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: for it. And then we did like a Christmas special.

746
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 4: And you know, if we're talking about like not wanting

747
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: to like put yourself out there. I actually so I

748
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 4: consult on some some movies that film here in Cincinnati,

749
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: and she came in here and did a Hallmark movie and.

750
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: She directed it and starred in it.

751
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: And I was, you know, one of the you know,

752
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: consultants for some of the performances. And we're at the

753
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: first table read and she was sitting there like with

754
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 4: her her sunglasses on, and we're like, she was sitting

755
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: across the table from me, and it gets to me

756
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: we're like introducing ourselves, and she literally like pulls her

757
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: sunglasses down and looks at me.

758
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: She's like, I know you. I was like, thank god,

759
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: because it would have been really embarrassing had you like, hey,

760
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 5: I'm Drew blah blah blah, and you like okay, like.

761
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: Just just for yeah, hello, nice to meet you, sir.

762
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: So at least she acknowledged that we had worked together

763
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 4: and we had a number one together, and so that

764
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: was that was good because that would have been really embarrassing.

765
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been tough to I have to

766
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: say hello again and reintroduce myself. Yes, you also survived

767
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: reality TV well before it was a way to become famous.

768
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: The Nick and Jessica era was very much in the

769
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: spotlight and that always kind of seemed uncomfortable for the Laches.

770
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: Was that a lot to deal with at the time.

771
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: I think, you know, everybody that gets into reality now

772
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 4: knows what they're getting into. Yeah, at that time, it

773
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: was the Osbourne's and that show. So it was you know,

774
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: the kind of you know, beginning the incubation period of

775
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 4: what reality was going to become. I think early on

776
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: it was for the most part reality, Like we just

777
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: kind of lived our lives.

778
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: We had cameras following.

779
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: Us pretty much twenty four hours a day, and you know,

780
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: they got their stuff, and then they edited together as

781
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 4: the show, you know, progressed, and as reality TV progressed,

782
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: they figured, oh, well, let's kind of shape our storylines.

783
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: You know, shoot what we need to shoot, you know,

784
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: and then you know, save a bunch of money and

785
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. And that's when stuff kind of

786
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: got a little bit more, you know, a little more annoying,

787
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 4: a little more difficult. You know, you're living somebody else's story,

788
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: living someone else's life. But you know, as things progress,

789
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: you realize you're like, all right, well, in order to

790
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: control this, we need to get you know, executive producer

791
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: credit on it so we can be there for the

792
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 4: editing and we can do all that stuff. So you

793
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: learn as it goes. But it was it was always

794
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: something that was a bit of a something.

795
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: It was just kind of always a little bit weird.

796
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, why right, Yeah, it seems like an uncomfortable way

797
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: to live.

798
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: It was.

799
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Have you been watching the rebirth of Dancing with the

800
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: Stars at all?

801
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: So the strange part for me is that my daughter

802
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: who was not even born yet, my wife was pregnant

803
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: when I was on the show.

804
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 3: She is now a big fan of Dancing with the Stars.

805
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: So for me like this, you know, little nugget, who

806
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: was born two weeks after I won, you know, is

807
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: now watching the show that you.

808
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, you helped pioneer. I was.

809
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: I was part of the beginning of you know, so

810
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 4: I definitely do follow it, you know, because you know,

811
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: you can't be a part of it and then not

812
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: get asked about it or or not, you know, have

813
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 4: some sort.

814
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: Of connection to it. Of course, I mean.

815
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: The people that I came up with, none of them

816
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: are really there anymore or their judges, Yeah, on the

817
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: panel now, you know.

818
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: So it's it's a little different.

819
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 4: But you know, I definitely appreciate that that show is

820
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: still on and that, you know, it kind of like

821
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 4: went to the streaming world, you know, was able to

822
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: come back because you know, the arts and dancing and

823
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: the joy that that show kind of has deserves a

824
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: place on network.

825
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: TV for everybody to see it.

826
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 4: Yes, and I do enjoy the fact that it's back

827
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: and people are still enjoying it and new people have

828
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: discovered it, even though those new people don't know who

829
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: I am.

830
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: Not true, Well, that's true. They do show They do

831
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: show clips sometimes in my freestyle, so.

832
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: They sure do.

833
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Well.

834
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Now, you have also become a home remodel expert. Were

835
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: you always handy? Have you and Leah flipped properties before?

836
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: Have you done renovations a little bit?

837
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: So?

838
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: I think like most people, like if you redo your

839
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: house and you hire a contractor you have some sort

840
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: of nightmare story. You know, I have one of those

841
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: I got taken advantage of. And you know, my my

842
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: pride couldn't handle the fact that I got bamboozled and

843
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: I couldn't I didn't know it. So I started trying

844
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 4: to learn everything I could about how houses work and

845
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: you know what I could do myself. And then you start,

846
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: you know, expanding on those skills and you know, like

847
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 4: literally listeners were done here. I'm redoing a friend's bathroom,

848
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: so I'm going over there to you know, finish the

849
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: dry wall and start laying the tile.

850
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: You know. So it's it's just kind of become part

851
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: of who I am.

852
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: And I do find like there's a there's like a

853
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: grounding to it, like it be able to do something

854
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: with your hands versus like everything else that I do.

855
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: It's you know, there's something tangible about it.

856
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of everything else I do is like, oh,

857
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: I'm writing this song and it's I can't hold it,

858
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: you know. So I think like home renovation number one,

859
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: there's a sense of pride. Number two, it saves yourself

860
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: a fortune. And number three there is this you know,

861
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: actual you know, before and after a moment that you

862
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: can kind of appreciate but totally Yeah, we did a

863
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: little bit of flipping, but clearly my skills have improved

864
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 4: over the last you know, fifteen years.

865
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: I also love about a home renovation that you can

866
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: every day set goals that then at the end of

867
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: the day you're like, there, I accomplished those goals. Like

868
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: today you're going to do the drywall. You're you know what,

869
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: and that's maybe the goal for the day is just

870
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: finish the drywall before or lay whatever you need to

871
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: lay in order to put the tile down. Whereas you're right,

872
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: like in the Creative Arts, there's like we're gonna record

873
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: this part of the song, but it still doesn't like

874
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: get you to a you know, you don't. Yeah, it's

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00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 2: not tangible. It's yeah, very exciting, even.

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Speaker 4: Though I supposed to finish the drywall three days ago

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Speaker 4: and I just keep you know, I just keep sanding

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Speaker 4: and it's not right, so I keep redoing it and

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Speaker 4: keep standing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I want a perfectionist doing my home remodel,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: As you should. As you should, we're.

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Speaker 2: About ready to do a home remodel. So I'm very

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Speaker 2: very interested in this journey. So the new show is

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Speaker 2: called Rock the Block, and it's celebrities competing against each

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Speaker 2: other who are paired with experts and building in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So it's it's you know for for very

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Speaker 4: familiar HGTV faces. Yeah, you know, so it's Mina and

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Speaker 4: Kim Scott and Tanya. Me and Tanya were paired up,

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Speaker 4: and then Brooke Hogan, Vernon Davis, Chelsea Meisner and me

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Speaker 4: so you got you know, reality Star, NFL Player, Southern

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Speaker 4: Charm Survivor, and then me which was category you want

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Speaker 4: to toss me into. But all four of us also

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Speaker 4: have you know, either design experience or construction experience or

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Speaker 4: things like that, So it was a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Fun to kind of get in there and you're literally given.

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Speaker 4: A shell of a house. We're all have matching shells,

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Speaker 4: and we have to design and build out these houses.

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Speaker 4: Like each each week you're like this new new section

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Speaker 4: of the house.

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Speaker 3: And the show has been around. This is the seventh season.

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Speaker 4: It's been the number one show for HGTV for for

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Speaker 4: a while, but this is just a new twist on

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Speaker 4: it in Vegas, you know, like doing construction on the

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Speaker 4: Dusty Moon. You know, I guess the Dusty Sun is

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Speaker 4: a better comparison, but it was. It was a lot

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Speaker 4: of fun and I'm excited for people to finally see it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I can't wait to watch what is the most

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Speaker 2: difficult thing you've done so far when it comes to

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Speaker 2: a remodel.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the things that people find the

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Speaker 4: least sexy are the most difficult. You know, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm running new electric, you know, people are people don't

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Speaker 4: care about that. They just want to know it's done right.

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Speaker 4: They want to know that the tile is pretty and

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Speaker 4: that's the right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, let's take this wall down.

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Speaker 4: I'm more intrigued by like the guts of the house, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: today's plumbing, yeah righties, yes, yes, let's make sure the

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Speaker 4: toilet doesn't overflow, you know, things like that. But you

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Speaker 4: know I've done I've kind of messed with everything, you know,

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Speaker 4: from you know, poorn foundations to throwing a roof on.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, you know, from the ground

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Speaker 4: up to the to the top to you know, you

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Speaker 4: just learn as you go and you find the right

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Speaker 4: people to teach you, and it's kind of like anything.

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Speaker 2: We kept this little Cancun reunion going. Is Drew stuck

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Speaker 2: around for our bonus episode coming out this Friday on

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Speaker 2: out and watch Drew on the new season of Rock

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