WEBVTT - Lucy Stone

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy he Wilson. And this episode is

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by me being a ding dong. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking with a person that I am close to recently

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<v Speaker 1>and I had a need to know her last name,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't sure what it was. I know, this

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like I'm a horrible person, but hear me out.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been married twice once away's back when it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty standard that most folks would take their husband's name.

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<v Speaker 1>Her second marriage was later enough that not everybody would

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<v Speaker 1>have done that. At that point, a couple of decades

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<v Speaker 1>had gone by, and I honestly could not remember if

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<v Speaker 1>she had chosen to change her name again or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, you're not the only person this is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, well, like if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have friends, like unless you really need their name for

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<v Speaker 1>like a legal reason or to fill out a form, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not always going to come up unless they actually say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is now right snakity doo, you'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so and so. So. That put me, though, in

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<v Speaker 1>the mind of just thinking about the practice of marriage

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<v Speaker 1>related name changes and how much it has changed in

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<v Speaker 1>our lifetime in terms of like being pretty normal for

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<v Speaker 1>people to not do it. But that made me think

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<v Speaker 1>of Lucy Stone, who did it when it was not

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<v Speaker 1>normal at all to keep your original name.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lucy Stone is sometimes written about as like that

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<v Speaker 1>person that should be mentioned right alongside Lucretia Mott and

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Katie Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, but she often isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty valid point. She really was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in right in the mix with all of them. She

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<v Speaker 1>did live an incredibly unique life for a woman of

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<v Speaker 1>her time and her station. She had a lot of gumption,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's one of those figures who is pretty central

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of important US history moments. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to give her her day. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy Stone was born on August thirteenth, eighteen eighteen. Her parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Francis and Hannah matthew Stone, were farmers. They were members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Congregational Church and lived on four hundred acres

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<v Speaker 2>on Coy's Hill and west Brookfield, Massachusetts. Lucy was one

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<v Speaker 2>of their seven children, and according to the lore, when

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy was born her mother, Hannah said, Oh, dear, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>A woman's lot is so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>As a child, Lucy was often frustrated because she knew

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<v Speaker 1>that she was smarter than a lot of boys, including

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<v Speaker 1>her brothers, and while they were offered some educational opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>beyond like the basics, she and other girls and young

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<v Speaker 1>women just were not. At this point, Massachusetts offered primary

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<v Speaker 1>education to girls, which she got, but the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>higher learning for women not really a thing, and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not in most farming communities. But this desire to get

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<v Speaker 1>more education for her was driven also just because she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to learn Hebrew and Greek, and she wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>learn those languages because she wanted to read untranslated versions

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bible because she was real curious if the

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<v Speaker 1>original versions of it did indeed have that language that

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<v Speaker 1>gave men power over women, or if that was something

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<v Speaker 1>that got added in translation. And one of the drivers

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<v Speaker 1>of her interest in exploring that inequality of women and

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<v Speaker 1>the challenges they faced was because she watched her mother

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<v Speaker 1>work very very hard with very little help. She certainly

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get much credit and she didn't get much rest.

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<v Speaker 1>And she also saw this common occurrence happening in their community,

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of women were being mistreated by their husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was just kind of accepted as normal, and

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<v Speaker 1>she did not like it. And her father, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he was very pro abolition and very anti slavery, did

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<v Speaker 1>not feel any kind of good way about women being equal.

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<v Speaker 1>She later wrote of him, quote, there was only one

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<v Speaker 1>will in our home, and that was my father's.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to being smart, Lucy was also a self starter.

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<v Speaker 2>She took a teaching job at the age of sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>so she could save up money for college. It took

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<v Speaker 2>five years for her to save enough because she was

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<v Speaker 2>not paid very much at all, but finally, at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of twenty one, she was able to enroll at

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Holyoaks Seminary for Women. Leading up to her entrance,

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<v Speaker 2>she got one of her brother's friends to tutor her

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<v Speaker 2>in math, Latin, and grammar, because she thought that her

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<v Speaker 2>exposure to and mastery of those subjects was really not

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<v Speaker 2>served well by her early schooling. Mount Holyoak it turned

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<v Speaker 2>out was not the best fit for Lucy. She had

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<v Speaker 2>expected it to be a lot more progressive regarding women's

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<v Speaker 2>equality than it was, and Lucy's abolitionist activism was not

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<v Speaker 2>especially welcome. For example, she got in trouble because she

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<v Speaker 2>had her brother send her copies of William lud Garrison's

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<v Speaker 2>The Liberator and then left them spread around the reading

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<v Speaker 2>room in the hopes that other students would read them.

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<v Speaker 2>But aside from her issues with authority there, unfortunately, there

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<v Speaker 2>was another obstacle that sidelined her education, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>that her sister, Rhoda, who had been ill for quite

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<v Speaker 2>some time, died in July of eighteen thirty nine, and

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<v Speaker 2>Roda was an adult at this point. She had children

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<v Speaker 2>of her own when she died, and Lucy went home

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<v Speaker 2>to help with Rhoda's children and also to comfort their

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<v Speaker 2>grieving mother, and she also went back to teaching. For

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<v Speaker 2>several years, she'd teach, save up all of her money,

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<v Speaker 2>and then spend a semester here and there at a

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<v Speaker 2>private school, first Wesleyan, then Monson Academy, and then finally

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<v Speaker 2>kvog Seminary. Four years after her time at Mount Holyoke,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy once again enrolled in college, this time at Oberlin College.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the first co educational school in the US, the

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<v Speaker 2>only one at the time, having opened just ten years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Oberlin was not the realization of Stone's hopes, though

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<v Speaker 1>she had worked so hard to get there, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time that she had lived away from home.

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<v Speaker 1>She had left with ninety dollars in cash in her

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<v Speaker 1>pocket to start this new phase of her life, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was one of seven women that were enrolled in

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<v Speaker 1>that first year. In her first year, we should say,

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<v Speaker 1>it was at the schools, and there were thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>male students. And Lucy was really really fretful about her

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<v Speaker 1>finances because her father had paid for her brother's tuitions

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<v Speaker 1>for college, but he did not do the same for Lucy.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was really really diligent in seeking out additional

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<v Speaker 1>income to make sure she could stay in school this time,

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<v Speaker 1>including arranging to teach at Oberlin's preparatory school and at

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberty School, which was a town school for black students.

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<v Speaker 1>She also taught at the town's common schools when Oberlin

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<v Speaker 1>was on winter break. If this sounds like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to have three jobs while you're going to school, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much so that Lucy was often foregoing sleep

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up on her study. She wrote about sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>only like sleeping two hours a night, and when her

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<v Speaker 1>father found all of this out, he actually wrote her

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<v Speaker 1>a very out of character letter in which he told

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<v Speaker 1>her that he did not want any of his children

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<v Speaker 1>to have to work the way he had when he

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<v Speaker 1>was young, and that he would help her with school

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<v Speaker 1>expenses through a loan. Lucy, though, preferred instead to lean

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<v Speaker 1>on her older siblings for financial help. She didn't accept

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<v Speaker 1>any help from her father until her senior year at Oberlin.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy did very well academically, but she found some disappointment

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of important areas. For one, though the

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<v Speaker 2>school admitted women and black students, it was less progressive

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<v Speaker 2>than what she wanted. Even most of the professed abolitionists

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<v Speaker 2>there among both the students and the staff, thought Garrison's

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<v Speaker 2>idea of abruptly ending slavery was too extreme. They were

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<v Speaker 2>not in favor of true equality for women either. She

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<v Speaker 2>described herself as quote at swords points with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>one Oberlin trustee described Lucy as having quote wild and

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<v Speaker 2>radical ideas. She had to appear before the Ladies Board

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<v Speaker 2>to defend her behavior regularly, whether it was taking off

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<v Speaker 2>her bonnet in church because she had a migraine or

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<v Speaker 2>the time, she told some of her fellow students that

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<v Speaker 2>people should not have children they couldn't afford. She also

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<v Speaker 2>advocated for male and female students who were working as

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<v Speaker 2>teachers in the college's preparatory school should be paid the

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<v Speaker 2>same wages. She was so aggressive in that pursuit that,

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<v Speaker 2>in an outcome that made her a legend at the school,

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<v Speaker 2>four years the faculty board instituted equal pay for teachers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in reading some accounts of that, it sort of sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like the faculty board was just like whatever it takes

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<v Speaker 2>to shut Lucy Stone up at this point, like they

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<v Speaker 2>really gave it because she was so determined about it

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<v Speaker 2>and what she really wanted to pursue at college with

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<v Speaker 2>studies in public speaking. She wanted to follow in the

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<v Speaker 2>footsteps of other abolitionists like Abby Kelly and the Grimkey sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>But those kinds of lessons in public speaking were not

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<v Speaker 2>offered to women. They could enroll in rhetoric classes, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were only allowed to observe the male students. Lucy

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<v Speaker 2>was not allowed to debate in class, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>not allowed to join the Debate Society while the school

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<v Speaker 2>was co ed. That group that was for male students only,

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<v Speaker 2>so Lucy and one of her close friends started a

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<v Speaker 2>secret women's debate society at the school. She is recorded

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<v Speaker 2>as having stated at the group's first meeting, quote, we

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<v Speaker 2>shall leave this college with the reputation of a thorough

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<v Speaker 2>collegiate course. Yet not one of us has received any

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<v Speaker 2>rhetorical or elocutionary training. Not one of us could state

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<v Speaker 2>a question or argue it in a successful debate. For

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<v Speaker 2>this reason, I have proposed the formation of this association.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen forty six, she made her first public speech

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<v Speaker 2>at a West Indian Independence Day celebration, where she addressed

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<v Speaker 2>the black community of Oberlin in a speech she titled

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<v Speaker 2>why do we Rejoice Today? She was given a talking

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<v Speaker 2>to by the Lady's Board for her brazenness, but her

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<v Speaker 2>brilliance was recognized to some degree. In eighteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>the school asked her to write a speech for her graduation,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was not the one who would give that

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<v Speaker 2>speech that would be a male graduate, so she flatly

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<v Speaker 2>turned that down. But she did graduate at the ceremony

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of twenty nine. Though it might have

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<v Speaker 2>seemed that Lucy was at this point very well educated,

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<v Speaker 2>for no real opportunities before her, she did find a

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<v Speaker 2>place in her chosen career.

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<v Speaker 1>Of public speaker. She was hired in eighteen forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>as a lecturer for the Massachusetts Anti Slavery Society, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was paid six dollars a week. She traveled constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>which was absolutely grueling, but she was very successful because

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<v Speaker 1>she was really great at connecting with audiences. Her anti

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<v Speaker 1>slavery upbringing, and her skills in oration and writing were

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<v Speaker 1>all of use. The society was also open to letting

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<v Speaker 1>her use some of her time not just for abolition

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<v Speaker 1>and anti slavery rhetoric, but also to advocate for women's rights.

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<v Speaker 1>But in order to make that deal, she had to

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<v Speaker 1>take a reduced rate of four dollars a week because

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<v Speaker 1>those speeches were taking away time from her abolition speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant that she was making at that point a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty meager income, and at the urging of many other

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<v Speaker 1>lecturers and speakers, she finally started charging a small fee

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<v Speaker 1>or passing a collection hat at her lectures.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with more money coming in, this was not an

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<v Speaker 2>easy job. Lucy became a public figure and a movement

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<v Speaker 2>that had a lot of hostile detractors. She had books

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<v Speaker 2>and eggs thrown at her, had ice cold water turned

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<v Speaker 2>on her, had to run from the occasional angry mob.

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<v Speaker 2>She adopted the practice of wearing bloomers like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other women's rights activists did, and she was jeered

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<v Speaker 2>for doing so. There were plenty of people who were

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<v Speaker 2>not in favor of abolition and certainly did not want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that message from a woman. Newspaper writeups would

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<v Speaker 2>describe her as ugly or manish, and she was accused

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<v Speaker 2>of having abandoned her womanly purpose. But she was also

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<v Speaker 2>praised by people like Frederick Douglas, who said she was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most effective advocates for the cause. Over time,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy was getting so many invitations to lecture that she

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<v Speaker 2>left the Massachusetts Anti Slavery Society job and was working

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<v Speaker 2>essentially as an independent orator. Coming up, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about Stone's work on the Woman's Rights Convention,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll get into that after we have a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy was one of the organizers of the first National

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<v Speaker 2>Women's Rights Convention in Worcestern, Massachusetts, in eighteen fifty. This

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<v Speaker 2>was two years after the Seneca Falls Women's Rights Convention,

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<v Speaker 2>which we've talked about on the show before, and which

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy did not attend. That superlative first of the eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty convention is based on it being considered a national convention,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas Seneca Falls was considered a local effort. Starting with

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<v Speaker 2>no money to host this national event, Lucy and her

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<v Speaker 2>fellow organizers advertised their need for donations, and contributions were

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<v Speaker 2>soon coming in. Everyone involved used their entire network of

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<v Speaker 2>connections both to get those donations and to invite attendees.

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<v Speaker 2>The lead up to the convention was difficult for Stone.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't able to be as active in the effort

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<v Speaker 2>as she had initially planned. Her brother Luther, who lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Illinois, died that summer of cholera, and his wife, Phoebe,

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant. Lucy had been the only nurse maid at

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<v Speaker 2>his deathbed for that reason. After he died, Lucy packed

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<v Speaker 2>Phoebe up to move her to Massachusetts, but just three

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<v Speaker 2>days into the journey, on August twenty third, Phoebe gave birth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because baby was sadly stillborn, and Lucy and Phoebe stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in a hotel so Phoebe could regain some of her strength.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Lucy contracted typhoid while they were there. She did

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<v Speaker 2>make it to Wooster on October twenty fourth for the

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<v Speaker 2>start of the convention, though, and that convention was well attended.

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<v Speaker 1>The eighteen fifty Convention is really a key moment in

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<v Speaker 1>the movement for women's rights, and the introduction of the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that everything about the way the US operated needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be reorganized if it was going to be made equitable.

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<v Speaker 1>It called for in its resolutions quote equality before the law,

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<v Speaker 1>without distinction of sex or color. That meant that black

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<v Speaker 1>women should be included in the efforts of the movement. Now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen fifty this was not supported by everyone, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would become an issue of heated contention several years

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. Even in the immediate wake of the convention,

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<v Speaker 1>reviews were mixed. There were plenty of newspaper accounts that

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<v Speaker 1>spoke derisively about the attendees and called the entire event trash.

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<v Speaker 1>But even within the women's rights movement, there were concerns

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<v Speaker 1>even outside those disagreements involving racial equality. Prior podcast subject

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Blackwell, for example, found the message of the entire

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<v Speaker 1>convention to be two quote anti Mam.

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<v Speaker 2>Among the attendees who signed the convention's resolution document were

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<v Speaker 2>many names you'll probably recognize, including some we've covered on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. This is not an exhaustive list, but they

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<v Speaker 2>included Bronson Alcott, Ralph Waldo Emerson, William Lloyd Garrison, Sarah Earl,

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<v Speaker 2>Charles K. Whipple, and M. C. Goodwin. The next October

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen fifty one, there was another National Convention in Worcester.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen fifty two, it moved to Syracuse, and then

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen fifty three to Cleveland. In eighteen fifty four

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<v Speaker 2>it was in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>The year after the first convention, Lucy was given an

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<v Speaker 1>audience at the Massachusetts State House, speaking before legislators and

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<v Speaker 1>imploring them to write full civil rights for women into

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<v Speaker 1>the state constitution. That same year, Lucy met Henry Brown Blackwell.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the brother of Elizabeth Blackwell, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>very taken with Lucy. She was at this point quite famous,

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<v Speaker 1>and he may have been drawn to that, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was also completely entranced by her quote beauty, charm, and eloquence.

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<v Speaker 1>As he wrote to a friend after seeing her speak,

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<v Speaker 1>he asked people that they had in common about her,

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<v Speaker 1>and while they told him she was not romantically linked

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone. They also told him that she was not

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<v Speaker 1>interested in becoming anyone's wife. He still pursued her, though

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<v Speaker 1>initially through letters, and after a month of writing back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth, he started hinting that she really should get

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<v Speaker 1>married to someone someday.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy Stone's feelings on marriage were still pretty negative. In

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<v Speaker 2>one of her letters to Henry, she wrote, quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>have been all my life alone. I have planned and

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<v Speaker 2>executed without counsel and without control, and have shared thought

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<v Speaker 2>and feeling in life with myself alone. I have made

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<v Speaker 2>a path for my feet which I know is useful.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings me a more intense and abundant happiness by

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<v Speaker 2>far than comes to the life of the majority of men.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems to me I cannot risk it by

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<v Speaker 2>any change. And then I ask, can I dare change it?

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<v Speaker 2>Rings an everlasting no. Henry persisted, and Lucy did soften

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<v Speaker 2>to him, and as the two kind of slowly fell

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<v Speaker 2>in love, Henry offered Lucy an uncommon kind of marriage

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<v Speaker 2>for the time. He told her he wanted one of

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<v Speaker 2>true equals. He wrote to her, quote equality with me

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<v Speaker 2>is a passion. Henry uh is often described as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a romantic one. Biographer described him as falling in

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<v Speaker 2>and out of love with a lot of young women.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to meeting Lucy, and in Lucy's case, her odd life,

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<v Speaker 1>famous but also a lonely outsider really fascinated him, and

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<v Speaker 1>although she initially told him she wanted only friendship, he

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<v Speaker 1>did things like go to her lectures. He actually helped

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<v Speaker 1>organize one of her tours, and then he invited her

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<v Speaker 1>to spend time in the Blackwell family home, and she

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<v Speaker 1>really loved the family, and eventually she did agree on

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<v Speaker 1>a marriage of equals.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy remained Lucy Stone after the wedding, keeping her own

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<v Speaker 2>name instead of taking her husband's.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not.

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<v Speaker 2>Initially the route she took, though She went by Blackwell

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while, but decided to stick with Stone

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<v Speaker 2>after about a year of trying out the new name

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<v Speaker 2>and carefully investigating the law to make sure there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a legal requirement for a wife to take her husband's name.

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<v Speaker 2>She asked people to address her not as missus Blackwell,

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<v Speaker 2>but as missus Stone. In situations where it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>there might be a legal need to recognize the union,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd write her name as Lucy Stone, wife of Henry Blackwell.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy and Henry carefully crafted their vows with the intent

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<v Speaker 2>that they would be published as an example of equal union.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no mention of obeyance. Elizabeth Katie Stanton wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to Stone after the wedding quote, nothing has been done,

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<v Speaker 2>and the women's rights movement for some time that so

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<v Speaker 2>rejoiced my heart as the announcement by you of a

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<v Speaker 2>woman's right to her name. Missus Stone and mister Blackwell

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<v Speaker 2>did jointly publish a pamphlet regarding the inequity of marriage laws,

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<v Speaker 2>titled protest, and it read, in part quote, while acknowledging

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<v Speaker 2>our mutual affection by publicly assuming the relationship of husband

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<v Speaker 2>and wife, yet in justice to ourselves and a great principle,

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<v Speaker 2>we deem it our duty to declare that this act

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<v Speaker 2>on our part, implies no sanction of, nor promise of

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<v Speaker 2>voluntary obedience to such of the present laws of marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>as refused to recognize the wife as an independent, rational being,

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<v Speaker 2>while they confer upon the husband an injurious and unnatural superiority,

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<v Speaker 2>investing him with legal powers which no honorable man one

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<v Speaker 2>would exercise, and which no man should possess. We protest,

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<v Speaker 2>especially against the laws which give the husband one the

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<v Speaker 2>custody of the wife's person, two the exclusive control and

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<v Speaker 2>guardianship of their children, three, the sole ownership of her

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<v Speaker 2>personal and use of her real estate, unless previously settled

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<v Speaker 2>upon her or placed in the hands of trustees. Four

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute right to the product of her industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Five. Also against the laws which give the widower so

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<v Speaker 1>much larger and more permanent an interest in the property

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<v Speaker 1>of his deceased wife than they give to the widow

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<v Speaker 1>in that of the deceased husband. Six. Finally, against the

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<v Speaker 1>whole system by which the legal existence of the wife

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<v Speaker 1>is suspended during marriage, so that in most states she

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<v Speaker 1>neither has a legal part in the choice of her residence,

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<v Speaker 1>nor could she make a will, nor sue or be

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<v Speaker 1>sued in her own name, nor inherit property. So, just

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<v Speaker 1>as a spoiler alert, this all sounds really idyllic. It

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<v Speaker 1>may have been for a time, but this marriage did

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<v Speaker 1>have its problems, and we're going to talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of those in just a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>In the press, the wedding and the decision to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Stone as her last name both got a lot of attention,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of that attention was negative, like why

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<v Speaker 2>would anyone want to marry Lucy Stone? She was seven

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<v Speaker 2>years older than Henry, and journalists wrote about her like

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<v Speaker 2>she was ancient. According to them, she clearly hated marriage

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<v Speaker 2>and men, so why did she even bother? And they wondered,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if she didn't want to take his name. Lucy

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<v Speaker 2>continued her lecture career and they used the Blackwell home

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<v Speaker 2>as their home base because they traveled so much they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really have time to settle anywhere else. Lucy's letters

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<v Speaker 2>to friends and family show her very happy to have

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<v Speaker 2>someone to share her life with. Lucy also wanted a

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<v Speaker 2>family very much. She had this vision of having four children,

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<v Speaker 2>and she and Henry had a daughter, Alice Stone Blackwell,

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<v Speaker 2>on September fourteenth of eighteen fifty seven. They later expected

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<v Speaker 2>a second child, but Lucy miscarried and they did not

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<v Speaker 2>have any other children after that. When Alice was still

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<v Speaker 2>tiny and Lucy was stuck at home caring for an infant,

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<v Speaker 2>she decided to protest taxation by not paying property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as a woman, she was not represented in government,

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<v Speaker 2>so this isn't a case where she just didn't pay

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<v Speaker 2>her taxes, which is sometimes how this is written. About

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<v Speaker 2>This was a thought out civil disobedience effort, and she

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<v Speaker 2>actually wrote the tax collector in Orange, New Jersey, where

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<v Speaker 2>they were living at the time, and explained this she

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<v Speaker 2>would not be paying taxes because they were unjust to

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<v Speaker 2>half the population. As a consequence of this, the Stone

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<v Speaker 2>Blackwell home was rated. Many of their possessions were seized,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when the furniture that had been taken was

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<v Speaker 2>sold at auction, one of their neighbors bought it all

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<v Speaker 2>and returned it to them. The marriage definitely experienced some strain.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry had made some investments that didn't really pay off.

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<v Speaker 2>He had also gone to Chicago to work for a

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<v Speaker 2>friend for five months when Alice was still a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and he and Lucy missed each other terribly. He had

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<v Speaker 2>to dip into Lucy's savings at times, and they downgraded

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<v Speaker 2>their home to a smaller farmhouse to try to save money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't like taking that money from Lucy just of

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<v Speaker 2>his own volition. They discussed it and she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you should take from some of the money

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<v Speaker 2>that I have saved up. But it still was like

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<v Speaker 2>a thing of you know, not quite what they had

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<v Speaker 2>planned financially, having a child had also slowed Stone's activism considerably.

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<v Speaker 2>She really did not trust anyone else to care for Alice,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't like she could call someone to come

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<v Speaker 2>and watch the baby while she went and did work things. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>during the US Civil War, Lucy felt morally compelled to

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<v Speaker 2>say nothing on the part of the war effort, even

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<v Speaker 2>in support of the Union, because she was a pacifist

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<v Speaker 2>and thought all of it was wrong. She still supported

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<v Speaker 2>anti slavery efforts in other ways, including drumming up signatay

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<v Speaker 2>for abolitionist petitions. In the later years of the war,

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<v Speaker 2>some of Henry's investment properties had finally started to pay off.

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<v Speaker 2>He had purchased quite a few investment properties over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>and he sold them at high profits during the war,

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<v Speaker 2>and that gave the Stone Blackwell family a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of financial security for the first time since the couple

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<v Speaker 2>had wed.

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<v Speaker 1>Though their finances were finally in order, though Lucy had

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<v Speaker 1>other challenges during this time. In eighteen sixty four, her

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<v Speaker 1>father died. She was often in poor health that entire year.

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<v Speaker 1>She worried, of course, about the future of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also seems like she was really grappling with

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<v Speaker 1>her identity when she was suddenly not doing the work

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<v Speaker 1>that she had been so driven to do for so

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<v Speaker 1>many years.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to pause here for a moment and here

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<v Speaker 2>from some of the sponsors that keep the show going,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we come back, we will talk about Stone's

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<v Speaker 2>place in the rift in the women's rights movement in

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<v Speaker 2>the US.

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<v Speaker 1>We have talked on the show before about the fissure

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<v Speaker 1>in the women's suffrage movement over the right to vote

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<v Speaker 1>being granted to black men before white women. Lucy was

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<v Speaker 1>mostly and will describe this more carefully in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of the conflict within the group that

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was okay for black men to gain more

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<v Speaker 1>rights through the fourteenth and fifteenth Amendments. So, for the

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<v Speaker 1>very quickest recap, the fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>passed by the Senate on June eighth, eighteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>stated that everyone born in the US, including formerly enslaved people,

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<v Speaker 1>was a US citizen. And then the fifteenth Amendment, which

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<v Speaker 1>passed several years later on February twenty sixth, eighteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>stated that all male citizens over the age of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one should be able to vote. This was the first

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<v Speaker 1>introduction of language about sex or gender into a constantitutional amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>and for many in the women's rights movement, they felt

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<v Speaker 1>that allowing this wording in the interest of conferring black

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<v Speaker 1>men rights would ultimately hurt the cause of women, and

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<v Speaker 1>specifically white women. Elizabeth Katie Stanton is often quoted for

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<v Speaker 1>her written commentary on the matter, quote if that word

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<v Speaker 1>mayle be inserted, it will take us a century at

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<v Speaker 1>least to get it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But Lucy Stone saw the suffrage movement as one whole,

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<v Speaker 2>at least sort of, with any victory being part of

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<v Speaker 2>forward progress, and as a lifelong abolitionist, she was also

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<v Speaker 2>supportive of black men's rights and of their gaining forward

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<v Speaker 2>progressive ground. To be clear, though Stone had absolutely not

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<v Speaker 2>wanted abolitionists to favor the voting rights of black men

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<v Speaker 2>at the expense of women's suffrage, she was chagrined at

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<v Speaker 2>how that played out, but she did support the fifteenth

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment ultimately.

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<v Speaker 1>As all of this was going on, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>very odd and unsettling move on the part of her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Blackwell. On January fifteenth, eighteen sixty seven, he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>an open letter titled quote, what the South can do,

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<v Speaker 1>how the Southern States can make themselves masters of the

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<v Speaker 1>situation to the legislatures of the Southern States, and in

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<v Speaker 1>it he makes a case that's really hard to square

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<v Speaker 1>with the abolitionist in women's rights values that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been speaking about publicly his entire life. He wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the population of the late Slave States is about twelve million,

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<v Speaker 1>eight million white, four million black. The radicals demand suffrage

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<v Speaker 1>for the black men on the ground named above. Very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Say to them, as mister Cowan said to the advocates

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<v Speaker 1>of Negro male suffrage in the district, apply your principle,

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<v Speaker 1>give suffrage to all men and women of mature age

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<v Speaker 1>and sound mind, and we will accept it as the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of state and national reconstruction. Consider the result from

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<v Speaker 1>the Southern standpoint. Your four millions of Southern white women

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<v Speaker 1>will counterbalance your four millions of Negro men and women,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus the political supremacy of your white race will

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<v Speaker 1>remain unchanged. He also made the case that black people

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually just leave because they would get sick of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not clear to me from this writing whether he's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of trying to appeal to what he thinks will

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<v Speaker 2>sway racists or if these are his opinions. Either way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gross though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even if he thinks he's like playing eight level

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<v Speaker 1>chess and that he's ahead of them and using their

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<v Speaker 1>own ideas against them, putting it in writing just creates

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is obviously a strange outlier in Blackwell's work

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<v Speaker 2>and makes it appear that while he may have supported

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<v Speaker 2>the anti slavery effort, that he also saw the black

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<v Speaker 2>population as inferior. Really no documentation about how Lucy felt about.

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<v Speaker 1>This, No, that's like one of the great mysteries. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty nine, the division in the women's movement led

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<v Speaker 1>to a formal split. Stone and Julia Ward Howe formed

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<v Speaker 1>the American Women's Suffrage Association, while Elizabeth Katie Stanton and

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<v Speaker 1>Susan B. Anthony launched the National Women's Suffrage Association. Both

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of these organizations waxed and waned in their numbers over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and they sort of carved out turf in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of who was going to advocate for what. The

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>AWSA focused, for example, on getting suffrage passed at the

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<v Speaker 1>state level, working with advocates in each state, while the

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>NWSAY set its sites on national suffrage rights. In eighteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy and Henry moved to Dorchester, Massachusetts, and started working

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<v Speaker 1>closely with the New England Woman's Suffrage Association. The couple

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<v Speaker 1>also started publishing Woman's Journal, which was the American Women's

0:29:54.680 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Suffrage Association periodical. When Massachusetts offered women p many strictly

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<v Speaker 1>regulated voting rights in eighteen seventy nine, Lucy's intent was

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<v Speaker 1>that she would register, but she would be struck from

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<v Speaker 1>the voter roles because she had not changed her name

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to Henry's. She was told she was going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to sign the voting roles as Blackwell, which she refused

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<v Speaker 1>to do, so she did not get to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen eighty three, an echo of Lucy's past emerged

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<v Speaker 2>when she was asked by Oberlin College to compose a

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<v Speaker 2>commencement speech, just as she had when she was graduating.

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>This time, though she was invited to also give this speech.

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<v Speaker 2>She accepted the invitation and was part of the school's

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<v Speaker 2>fiftieth anniversary celebration. In eighteen ninety, the rift between the

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.719
<v Speaker 2>women that had founded the American Woman's Suffrage Association and

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<v Speaker 2>the National woman Suffrage Association was healed in large part

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<v Speaker 2>by the daughters of the original founders of those organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy's daughter, Alice Stone Blackwell and Elizabeth Gaty Stanton's daughter,

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Harriet Stanton black bat worked to reunite the two groups

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>under the umbrella of the National American Woman Suffrage Association.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Katie Stanton was its president and Susan B. Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>was vice president. It is pretty widely accepted that Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>was the actual leader of the group. In practice, Lucy

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Stone was not active in the group though, because her

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<v Speaker 2>health had really started to decline. This story will once

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<v Speaker 2>again intersect with another topic that came up recently in

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<v Speaker 2>our episode on architect Louis Sullivan. That was the eighteen

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>ninety three Columbia Exposition. That event was the stage of

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy Stone's last public speech in May of eighteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy had wanted to make additional speeches there later in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer, but her health just did not allow for it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the autumn of that year, in September eighteen ninety three,

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Lucy was diagnosed with stomach cancer. Ever pragmatic, she very

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<v Speaker 2>carefully got all her affairs in order. Some of this

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>meant that She was admonishing Henry not to stop looking

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<v Speaker 2>after his own health because their daughter, Alice, who had

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<v Speaker 2>become an important collaborator in their work, was going to

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<v Speaker 2>need him. And there were well wishes that poured in

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 2>from all around the world, and Lucy assured her friends

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<v Speaker 2>that she was not afraid of dying, and that even

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<v Speaker 2>in the next world, she would know when women got

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<v Speaker 2>the right to vote. When one of her doctors told

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<v Speaker 2>her with certainty that she was going to die soon

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<v Speaker 2>and that he hoped she would approach the end with serenity,

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<v Speaker 2>she told him there is nothing to be unserene about.

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<v Speaker 2>On October eighteenth, eighteen ninety three, Lucy Stone died. Her

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<v Speaker 2>last words spoken to her daughter Alice, were make the

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<v Speaker 2>world better. She was cremated and her ashes were interred

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<v Speaker 2>at Forest Hills Cemetery in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy I like her heaps, and I have many thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>to share on Friday about marriage and Lucy's life and

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy's husband. In the meantime, I have fun email fun

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<v Speaker 1>email from our listener James, who writes Dear Holly and

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy and Team. I have been a listener to your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast for the last few years and did, in fact

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<v Speaker 1>catch the Levi Strauss episode when it originally aired, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was very happy to have it as a classic

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<v Speaker 1>episode this weekend. I live in Butenheim, the birthplace of

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<v Speaker 1>Loeb Strauss. When I moved here, my American family my

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>dad was US American, had no end of fun at

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I was going to be a Buttenheimer,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were also duly impressed by the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Levi Strauss was born here. As you can see from

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures attached, we're celebrating the one hundred and fiftieth

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of the five oh one gene with a street

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<v Speaker 1>party in front of the Levi Strauss Museum. I have

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<v Speaker 1>also attached a picture of the birthplace, which is part

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<v Speaker 1>of said museum, complete with the statue they put up

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. In fact, my husband and I

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<v Speaker 1>got married in that museum. It belongs to the local

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<v Speaker 1>council and the rooms in the town hall are really small.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost exactly four years ago. Okay, that's like the coolest

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<v Speaker 1>place to get married and also happy anniversary. So if

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<v Speaker 1>any listeners are true fans, they should come and visit

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<v Speaker 1>the museum. Franconia is one of the most beautiful parts

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<v Speaker 1>of Germany and well worth a visit. Best regards and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the podcast. I am putting that on my

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<v Speaker 1>list of places that I want to go now because

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<v Speaker 1>it does look amazing. I want to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Levistras Museum real bad. He would like to write to

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<v Speaker 1>us about this or any other podcast or cool museums

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