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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bart.

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Speaker 2: Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 1: It's close because, as I've said, I think he's the

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Speaker 1: best thrower of the football in this class. There's just

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Speaker 1: a little part of me that were it and it's

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Speaker 1: not nearly as much as other people, but there's still

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Speaker 1: a little part of me that worries about the kne injuries.

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Speaker 2: Waffling.

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Speaker 1: No, not I I've had this take the whole time.

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Speaker 1: You sound like you sound like I've had this same

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Speaker 1: take the whole time. If for whatever reason, drap If

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Drake maygo second, stand.

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Speaker 2: On the table for your guy. You're Bars. You gotta

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Speaker 2: stand on the table for the people you believe in.

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Speaker 2: You gotta do. You gotta pound the table here in

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Speaker 2: the draft room. Yeah, I'm the guy that scouts around

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Speaker 2: the table. And now you get in there and you

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Speaker 2: say this is my guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the guy that doesn't pound the table. I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy who's never pounded the table.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's what I'm hearing about. You and Michael Pennix.

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Speaker 2: You're you're waffling.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, it's Evan Lazarre, Alex Bart Patriots Catch twenty

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Speaker 2: two here with you on our normal ten am time

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Speaker 2: on a Thursday morning, here at a packed Gillette Stadium, Barth,

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Speaker 2: you want to tell the people about motocross? Are you excited?

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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it is you came in here hot,

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Speaker 1: there's ton going on out there is that ton trucks everywhere?

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Speaker 2: You know. I so as a kid, and we don't

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Speaker 2: really have time for deliberating about non football stuff today

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Speaker 2: because we do have to to have to end the

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Speaker 2: show a little bit early. We have to end the

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Speaker 2: show a little bit early today, Morrell, because okay, it's

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Speaker 2: only you know, an hour and a half today, because

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go talk to Sion talkie talkie, right and

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Speaker 2: uh and Jukes the core of right, those are the

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Speaker 2: two guys speaking. I should know that two new guys

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Speaker 2: though that we haven't talked to since they signed his

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Speaker 2: free agents with the Patriots, So that'll be fun. But

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Speaker 2: the big thing is is that when I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: You know this about me already, but my dad's a

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Speaker 2: huge NASCAR guy, huge nass.

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Speaker 1: Your dad's a big car guy, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he works in automotive industry and he's a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge NASCAR guy. So me and him used to go

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Speaker 2: up to Loud in New Hampshire all the time for

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Speaker 2: the race.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had done that because they don't do

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Speaker 1: it anymore, right, Yeah, I always wished i'd Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: do it. Oh they still do. I thought they stopped

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Speaker 2: So we would go almost every year, and this motocross

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Speaker 2: event reminds me a lot of that because every single

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Speaker 2: participant has his own truck, has his own teams, all

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Speaker 2: Loud and there's like fifty different teams and trucks and

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Speaker 2: you can go around. He can buy merch, you know,

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Speaker 2: your favorite person. You know, we were a We were

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Speaker 2: a big Hendrix motorsports people. My dad's favorite was Terry

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Speaker 2: Labani if you want to know. I was a big

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Speaker 2: Jeff Gordon guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh I had Jeff Gordon poster growing up.

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Speaker 2: Of course. So you had a Jeff Gordon poster in

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Speaker 2: your room. Yeah that's surprising, really, I was not expecting that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Jeff Gordon poster right in between a

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Speaker 2: Wow, I was not expecting that anyways. So that's enough.

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Speaker 1: There's a Paul Pierce poster in there too, just.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot of Celtic stuff in my

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Speaker 2: you know. Uh. Anyways, so first we gotta shout out

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Speaker 2: so today we're gonna be a little defense heavy. And

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Speaker 2: I know everybody's saying, why who cares about the defense

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Speaker 2: talk about all the different permutations and things that could

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Speaker 2: I think that there's a chance still that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: They're scheduled for eight picks right now. We think there's

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Speaker 1: nine to ten offensive players. That's like just the numbers

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Speaker 1: don't work at a certain point. You got to get

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much time we need to spend

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Speaker 1: if the draft is nothing, but it should be mostly offense.

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Speaker 1: But I'd be very surprised if it's nothing but offense.

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Speaker 2: It should be offensive. The top one hundred, I think

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Speaker 2: once you get I'll give him this once you get

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Speaker 2: the point where if you have a defensive player rated

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I the two spots that I look at for

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Speaker 2: The two spots that I look at for them on defense,

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Speaker 2: I think edge rusher is always a spot that you

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Speaker 2: have Anthony Jennings locked up now and they have Keon

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Speaker 2: they have two guys, but in terms of pass rush,

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Speaker 1: Say this on che Rusher too. There's some very interesting

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Speaker 2: The other spot that I'm still steadfast that they need

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Speaker 2: I still think that they need that true free safety. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Pepper's where they belong.

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Speaker 1: You just want to be able to have that club

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Speaker 2: I think that the salary cap is crap. I think

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Speaker 2: you can easily manipulate everything. I don't think that this

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Speaker 2: If they decide on draft weekend that they don't really

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Speaker 2: Andrew Callahan confirmed that that he had no other formal

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Speaker 2: but they gave him a market value contract. This is

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Speaker 2: I think Jabriel Peppers last year had a peak season

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think Peppers can. I think you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good player, and I actually felt that was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel that way. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: McCarty's take was he went back to the Harmon Chung

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Speaker 2: and you mentioned Nuban probably the consensus number one safety

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think there's gonna be anybody drafted

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Speaker 1: So I like Cooper de Gene. I almost don't want

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Speaker 1: He's a tremendous kick returner too. And that's the other thing.

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00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 1: If you're drafting him, you have your you have your

434
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: kick returner.

435
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, him and Marcus Jones back on returns on this

436
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 2: new rule could could be a tough one. Yeah, cause

437
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: some havoc. So I'm a Cooper de Gene guy. I

438
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: know it's not wouldn't be a popular pick for a

439
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: lot of people, but I'm high on Cooper to Gen. Uh,

440
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: do you have any day one safeties? Probably not? No, No, Okay,

441
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: So let's go to day two. Who do you got

442
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 2: on day two?

443
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: Day two? I I guess I'll go with newb What

444
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: are we counting Kam Kitchens as in.

445
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 2: Terms of what day?

446
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's available.

447
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be available on day three, all right,

448
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: so we can get we can talk about him.

449
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 1: I'll go with Tyler Nuban just like I said, I

450
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: think in terms of the true center fielder, because there's

451
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: so many guys now that come in that you know,

452
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: they play a lot of free safety, but it's not

453
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 1: their true position, and they're also a slot corner. They're

454
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: all also playing the box and they rotate and things

455
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: like that. You know, Tyler Nuban is you can put

456
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: him on the back end. He's gonna read and react.

457
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna make sure nobody gets behind him, he doesn't

458
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: have the elite. If there's one thing lacking from his game,

459
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: he maybe doesn't have that elite straight line speed. But

460
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: he's one of these players where he plays a lot

461
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: faster than he tests because he's able to see and

462
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: react to things so quickly that he can make up

463
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: for it a little bit. So if they're trying to

464
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: find the next Devin mccordy, and I mean that's a lofty,

465
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: obviously comparison, but you're not gonna get closer in this

466
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: draft than Tyler Nuban. I don't know how close Tyler

467
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: Nuban is because Devin McCarty is like an all time

468
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: great player, but he's as close as you're gonna get.

469
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: So I like Nuban, but I do worry a little

470
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: bit about the speed over the top. When you're in

471
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: the league, you have to be able to get from

472
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: the middle of the field to the sideline. You have

473
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: to be able to cover that route. It's not so

474
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 2: much about that. You just have to be there to

475
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: at least threaten the window so that the quarterback has

476
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: to make a perfect throat to fit the ball in there.

477
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: That that's tough to do at if you don't have

478
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: like true four to four speed or like Devin who

479
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: was in the fourth threes, right, you know that that's

480
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: difficult to do. The guy that I really thought was

481
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: excellent on film in that role playing over the top

482
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: was Kaylen Bulk from USC. I think Kaylen Bult from

483
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: USC is probably the best true post safety in the draft.

484
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, just one of those guys that has the speed,

485
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: the hip flips, you know, the really smooth pedal and

486
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: turn out of it. Good at instincts back there, you know,

487
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: can see things. His problem and I know everybody's gonna

488
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: hear this and be like, well, that's like seventy five

489
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: percent of defensive football is that he can't tackle. So

490
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: that that's the issue is if you're gonna play him

491
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: as the last line of defense, his angles to the

492
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: ball and he's he's an inconsistent kind of wild you know,

493
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: lung jet puss.

494
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: That's right, because what's the what's what's the what did

495
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: Belichick tell mc cordy GTFB, Yeah, last line defencse you

496
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: gotta be able to make that play.

497
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: You got to be able to tackle if you're gonna

498
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: play on first and second down. Yeah, because you're you're

499
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: gonna have runs come at you every once in a while.

500
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: If I'm just drafting a guy at sixty eight one

501
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: or two whatever to just played the Deron Harmon role

502
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: and play up top on third down, I don't think

503
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: anybody moves better on film note book. And he's pretty

504
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: good at understanding which routes are the most threatening routes

505
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: and where to leverage things. And he can rotate a

506
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: little bit. I think he can play a little bit

507
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: of man coverage. He's not great in man coverage, but

508
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: if you want to go like cover zero and you're

509
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: gonna put him in man coverage off of that off

510
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: of rotation, then he's able to do that. But it's

511
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: just mainly that ability from the middle of the field

512
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: to get all the way out to the sideline. And

513
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: he's taller than a lot of these other guys were

514
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: gonna talk.

515
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: About to big safeties in the draft though.

516
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's tall and lean. He's not dugger sized,

517
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, he's not two hundred and twenty pounds. He's

518
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: a tall, lean guy, which that length and that verticality

519
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: helps you go ahead and high point the ball and

520
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: get that the ball out of you know, guy's hands,

521
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: and it's that little bit extra length can really help

522
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: when playing over the top. So do I like him

523
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: as like a every down safety, No, because I think

524
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: in run supports he's frankly a liability right now. But

525
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: I think that if you're just looking for a guy

526
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: to play on third down and play the center field role,

527
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: the deron harmon of this all that, I don't think

528
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: you can find a better guy in terms of movement

529
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: skills on film than than Bullock. The other guy that

530
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: I had on day two, who I think is more

531
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: late Day two but I think could sneak into day two, yeah,

532
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: is Taylor Demerson from Texas Tech. Yeah player, so de

533
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: Darien Taylor Temerson from Texas Tech as the one knock

534
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: on him as he's like five ten, one ninety right,

535
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: he's a little bit smaller than some of these other guys,

536
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: especially Bullock, but I think you know when you watch him,

537
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: instincts off the charts ball skills can play different roles.

538
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: Back there, he made a play against Xavier Worthy where

539
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: he had like inside leverage and help in the middle

540
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: of the field, and Zay Worthy ran a double move

541
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: and Worthy dusted his man in man coverage, but Taylor

542
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: Demerson sniffed it out and got and got over the

543
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: top of Worthy in time, and yours ended up having

544
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: to take a sack because he was waiting for for

545
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: Worthy to get open. And you know, he has these

546
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: just great instincts and ability to recognize routes and anticipate routes.

547
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: And he's a he's a baller, like he's a he's

548
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: a one of those guys that just plays with his

549
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: hair on fire and plays with that intensity.

550
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Javon Bullard?

551
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: I what I worry about him is that he's I

552
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: think he's a little bit too like big and stiff stockey. Yeah.

553
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: I think that he reminds me so much of these

554
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: guys that they play, you know, the that they like

555
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: in the box. You know, a Pepper's a Mapoo, a

556
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: doug or.

557
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: It was weird because like Georgia moved he was a

558
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: box that he is a slot corner, but like he

559
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: was a slot corner box Dave. Then last year Georgia

560
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: moved him to free safety and he wasn't bad at it. Yeah,

561
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: but I just I struggle with it because like I

562
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: see him playing it well, but I just it's like

563
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: it's tough to see the translation to the pros as

564
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: a free safety. I think he could be a good

565
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: nickel in the NFL. I don't see him.

566
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: I think he's a nickel. I think he'd be He's

567
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: gonna be a good nickel. Yeah, but I think he's

568
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: a nickel kind of in like the Chauncey Gardner Johnson

569
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: title bold U. The one thing I would say about

570
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: Georgia two is that their their defense is very split

571
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: safety heavy. For the most part they play they play

572
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of split safety coverage. Uh so they they

573
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: don't ask their safeties to play post middle too often,

574
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: like they ask their safeties to play has most of

575
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: the time, and so that has I've always there's a

576
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: bunch of guys that, you know, going back aways with

577
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: Georgia that I'm always thinking, Oh, that guy would be

578
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: great here. You know, this would be a corner that

579
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: you know can play press man and play on the outside,

580
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: would be great fit for the Patriots. And they never

581
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: really draft any of those guys. And I think because

582
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: Kirby's system is just different enough from theirs that it's

583
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of a harder translation. The other guy

584
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: that you mentioned until we get to like the real

585
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 2: day three guys, is that Cam Kitchens from Miami, So

586
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: you should mention with Cam Kitchens the Alonso high Smith connection. Right,

587
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: So a Lonzo Heismid just came from Miami. I do

588
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: think he has a relationship with Cam Kitchens. So this

589
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: is somebody that I think is definitely on their radar.

590
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: Both both will throw it in both Miami safeties. James

591
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: Williams too, but James Williams is more of a pure

592
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: box safety.

593
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Cam Kitchens is film is totally boomer bust

594
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: right now, totally Like he has some plays where he

595
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: gets really exposed, and then he has some awesome plays

596
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: in the ball like those are the it's really Jacqueline Hyde.

597
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: And then the athleticism is a problem, you know. Tested,

598
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: I think his relative athletics score was like two point

599
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: something at the Horrible Combine. And I don't think that

600
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: he looks on film like a great athlete either, but he's.

601
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: Very I think it looks like a better Nobody's gonna

602
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: mistake him for Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I think he looks

603
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: like a better athlete on film than he tested.

604
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: Better in the sense that I just think that he's

605
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: got some more recovery talent than I thought, Like if

606
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: when he does get beat or he is a little

607
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: bit out of position, he can recover decently well. But

608
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: we talked about going from the middle to the to

609
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: the sideline. I don't think he's got that kind of

610
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: straight line speed.

611
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: I think he's explored he can get out and change

612
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: direction to move.

613
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's not. Like, I don't think the combine

614
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: did him any any justice. Like, I think that he's

615
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: a better athlete than that. It's probably just a bad

616
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: day or not his thing to be testing in shorts

617
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: and a T shirt at the combine, which is totally fine,

618
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: but I was hoping for more like Brian Branch testing numbers,

619
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: So Brian Branch, everybody's like, oh god, he bombed. He

620
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: had did way better at the combine than Kitchens did,

621
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: which could be helpful for the if he falls to

622
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: Day three and he's like a fourth or fifth round

623
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: pick because he tested so poorly. I think that this

624
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: is he's definitely a guy that's going to be one

625
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: of those guys that we look at three years from

626
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: now and are like, we really overrated that combine.

627
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: Like he's also a guy that it sounds like he's

628
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: interviewed well. Teams talk about it, leadership things like that,

629
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: and that's what they've talked about. So I think he

630
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: belongs on the radar, and if they can get him

631
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: on day three, he's definitely worth that.

632
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Look.

633
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's certainly worth that.

634
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Look, I agree. I just think that he's another one

635
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: of these gamers, instinctual, you know, really smart, savvy player

636
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: that's gonna make up for the fact that he doesn't

637
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: have four to three speed with being maybe a step

638
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: or two ahead of some of these other.

639
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's the very least. If you get him

640
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: at one O three, he's gonna be excellent on special teams. Yeah,

641
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: and that's gonna matter. People are gonna roll their eyes

642
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: at that. With the new kickoff. I can't stress enough

643
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: how much the new kickoff rule changes things. That's a

644
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: very important play now, and you've got to have guys

645
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: that can play it.

646
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an important play. And when you start talking

647
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: about day three guys too, if they're gonna make the

648
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: roster and have roles, especially early on in their careers,

649
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to be able to play on.

650
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: So can I tell you my theory about this. Yeah,

651
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: and this is something I'm still kind of It's an

652
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: in process take.

653
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: But it's a half baked take.

654
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say it's half baked. So we talked

655
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: about this last week. There's like no sixth or seventh

656
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: round guys in this draft. There's like guys that are

657
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: like fourth fifth round grades and then undrafted. Yeah, because

658
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: of nil and things like that. I wonder, with the

659
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: draft structured like that and the new kickoff rule, if

660
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: teams are just going to use the sixth and seventh

661
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: round to build their kickoff coverage and kickoff return units

662
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: and just get guys that are defensively really good tacklers

663
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: in space, really good movers block shutters, and then guys

664
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: that can block on the run, guys that can block

665
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: in space. You know, some of these fast, more athletic tackles.

666
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: And I wonder if six and seven are just gonna

667
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: be building out the kickoff units.

668
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely pop. I mean, I think kind of

669
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: what they did last.

670
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Kitchens kick speed. No, but I mean like league wide Yeah.

671
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: But I just I'm just saying, like I think the

672
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: PAI if they maybe that the Patriots were a little

673
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: bit ahead of that, right as they always seem to

674
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: be on special teams in particular. So maybe that's the case,

675
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Like I.

676
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: Kitchens wouldn't be a part of that, he should go earlier.

677
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying in general.

678
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that some of these guys, you know,

679
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: you have to be able to play in that phase

680
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: early on in your career. Like look at a guy

681
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: like Marty Mappu, Like he couldn't get in on defense

682
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: after some mistakes early on, but he found a role

683
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: for himself on on special teams. Made a play in Denver,

684
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, that helped him win that game like that.

685
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: That's just the That's the way that you get on

686
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: the team. That's the way they get a game day roll.

687
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: That's how you're active on game day. If you're a fifth, fourth, fifth, sixth,

688
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: seventh round pick, Day three guy, you got to be

689
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: able to play on teams like you're not, You're not

690
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: gonna make the team otherwise. Yeah, all right, a couple

691
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: more guys on day three. I do you think we

692
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: should mention.

693
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: We have to talk about Yeah.

694
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 2: So he's, uh, he's an interesting player because he can

695
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: play offense and defense.

696
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: As well and like he actually can, Like he has running.

697
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Running back upside. Teams have asked him to work out.

698
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: I think he did running back drills at the Combine,

699
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: and I'm sure in these private visits they've had him

700
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: doing running back drills as well, so he can play

701
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: running back. I don't think that he's he's probably not

702
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: a draftable NFL running back if he wasn't if he

703
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: was Fred just a running back, But guys hit like

704
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: that all the time in the UDFA statuses and stuff

705
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: like that. I think he's more of a box safety too. Yeah,

706
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have the speed and the change of direction

707
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: ability and the fluidity and his hips to be able

708
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: to play up top. But he's gonna play three phases

709
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: potentially of the worst case scenario. He's a defensive defensive

710
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: player and a special course, special teams guy. So you

711
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: start talking about these day three guys, you know, he's

712
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: probably fift's sixth rounds somewhere in there, maybe earlier if

713
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: some team really really likes his running back film and

714
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: sees him as a true three phase guy. But I

715
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: think he's someone that is definitely a patriot type of

716
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: player that we should talk about.

717
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, the versatility, very physical player. He has

718
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: that leadership tangible thing. Yeah, I would be very surprised

719
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: if he's not on their board anybody else. Yeah, I'll

720
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: give you a couple more. I've had ty Key Smith

721
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: on my board for them for three years and he

722
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: just wouldn't come to school. There's always a couple of

723
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: guys like that. Isaiah Williams is a receiver from Illinois.

724
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Another guy I guess less now because he is. The

725
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: reason I always like Tykee Smith for them is he

726
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a position on defense. He'll play in

727
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: the slot, he'll play a little on the boundary, he'll

728
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: play a little deep, he can play in the box,

729
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: and I just like, Yeah, he's decent at all of them,

730
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: and they'd find a role. Honestly, Connor reminds me of

731
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: a bigger, more physical Miles Bryant. And maybe, you know,

732
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: they lost Miles Bryant, maybe they want somebody back in

733
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: that role. Again, I don't love the idea of them

734
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: adding more because he truly is a box safety. That's

735
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna be his main position. Yeah, in a slot corner.

736
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: They have enough box safeties they could. I guess he

737
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: is a slot corner but that's more one that's like,

738
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: I've had this guy on my radar for years. I

739
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: think it makes less sense now than it did a

740
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: while ago. But he's finally in the draft, so I

741
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: have to talk about him. The other guy I like,

742
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: and I've talked to you about him, Evan is Evan

743
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Williams from Morgan who had a really good Senior Bowl.

744
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: And I think if they're gonna wait on that for

745
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: safety thing and want to take a guy's more of

746
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: a project. He's a sixth seventh round pick, but had

747
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: a really good Senior Bowl. Does a good job of

748
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: getting to the football. You talk about the closing speed,

749
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: the ability to gain ground quickly. That's the one thing

750
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: I think he does very well. You need him to

751
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: get to a spot, he'll get to the spot, and

752
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: that's a very important part of playing on the back end.

753
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of the only guys in Mobile

754
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: that I feel like consistently made an impact playing the

755
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: post like it actually could make plays on the ball.

756
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Definitely was on my list after the Senior Bowl and

757
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: after being down there for those practices, especially watching practices

758
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: where they are practicing in between the twenties, you know,

759
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: the last day was red zone, it wasn't as big

760
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: of an impact. But in between the twenties, I think

761
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: that he's one of those guys that, like you said,

762
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: probably a late day three pick. But if again, if

763
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: we're still just going for that plays on third down,

764
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: plays the middle of the field, I think there's a

765
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 2: role for him if he's able to do those types

766
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: of things. All right, So those are safeties. I think

767
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: that this safety class has some fits for them. Oh

768
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: yeast couple of years. I've struggled at times to find

769
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: some guys that could really fit what they need at safety,

770
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: at that center field role, and at this class, I

771
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: think has a few that are in the range that

772
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: they would want to draft the safety. And you know

773
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: that third fourth round, I think is where we start

774
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: talking about it. I picked the Taylor Demerson. I don't

775
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna be there, yeah, but I picked

776
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: him at at one O two.

777
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: So I'm just counting.

778
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: Now.

779
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I've got in the projected top two hundred and fifty players,

780
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I've got twelve safeties I could see realistically being on

781
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: their board. He's probably gonna be UDFA. I don't know,

782
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: if you watch any of Trey Taylor from Air Force. No,

783
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: he's there, and the rules around service academy players getting

784
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: the end of getting pro now and all sports are

785
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: just kind of they're always changing, they're always weird. Toms

786
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: hesn't about that, but like he you know, multi year

787
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: starter again, team captain at the Air Force was good,

788
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: had a good Shrine Bowl. Slightly bigger guy, like he

789
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: checks a lot of their safety box, but he's he's

790
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: probably gonna go on drafted.

791
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that this is one of those classes.

792
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this in the past how college

793
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: football has really gone away from that, like true center

794
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: field guy. They play so much quarters and and half,

795
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, split safety coverages or just move guys around,

796
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: and yeah, it just is not you don't find and

797
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, you know, it's easy to find

798
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: an Ed Reid or something like that, but you just

799
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: don't find those guys anymore that are our true body.

800
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Even like John Harmony, you don't see a ton of

801
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: guys that just have a lot of reps playing center field,

802
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: playing single high. And there's there's guys in this drafts

803
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: a handful of in my is my point. Okay, uh,

804
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: let's move on to edge rushers, because now just go corner.

805
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: You want to just finish up secondary. Okay, fine, sure.

806
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: I have two guys that we haven't talked about at corner.

807
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: Cooper de Gene I I put as corner. I'm not

808
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: sure where where teams are going to put him defensive back. Yeah.

809
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: The other guy I think we're both all in on

810
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: is Cam Hart from Notre Dame.

811
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: So so.

812
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: Cam Hard I think is a day two pick four

813
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: or five at that size, you know, six three two five,

814
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: I think is what he was that checks every box

815
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: for that type of player. All you gotta do to

816
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: like Cam Hart other than watch the Senior Bowl practices

817
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: because he was great down there and mobile. He's been

818
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: great against top competition all year long. Go watch Ohio State,

819
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: Go watch him guard Marvin Harrison Junior. Probably the best

820
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: cornerback film I've seen against Marvin Harrison Junior this year

821
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: because he's got the length and he's got the physicality

822
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: and he's got the speed to go out up against

823
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: the guy like Marvin Harrison on the outside. He is

824
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: a physical guy though, and I think the one thing

825
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: that you worry about with him is he gets a

826
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: little bit grabby at times and coverage in college you

827
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: can kind of get away with those things a little

828
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: bit more, and the pros those could be flags. Yeah,

829
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: he only had four penalties against him last year, which

830
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: given his style of play, is not that bad. But

831
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: if you get to the NFL holdings, illegal contacts, DPIs like,

832
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: those things start to get into the conversation with cam Hart.

833
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: But I love so much about cam Hart. You know,

834
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: we said this with Cooper de Gene about being him

835
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: being like a true fire put her out or just

836
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: going all over the defense with cam Hart. If you

837
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: play a team, if the Patriots play a team that

838
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: has one of those six three X receivers, that's not

839
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: necessarily the best receiver on the team, but it's just

840
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: a guy that's got Bengals a tough body type to cover. Sure,

841
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals, he can take that player for seventy snaps

842
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: and then Gonzales can go and cover like the more

843
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: dynamic number one receiver. So They're gonna play teams like

844
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: that over the course of the season. A great example,

845
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: you say, the Bengals is a good one. The New

846
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: York Jets. Now, ye, yeah, cam Hart goes against Mike

847
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Williams the entire game. Gonzo's got Garrett Wilson, and you've

848
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: got a nice complete secondary terms of outside corners, I

849
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: think in their system, pressman, cover, suffocate guys at the

850
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, smother their routes. Cam Hart would be

851
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: a perfect fit.

852
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: Former receiver too, you know. I love that. I always

853
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: like that in in corners, and yeah, he plays his

854
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: best against best competition, Marvin Harris and Junior Senior Bowl.

855
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: I got kind of tell me what you think of

856
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: this comp form. Yeah, Logan Ryan.

857
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Do you think I think he's more physical than Logan

858
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: Ryan was.

859
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan was. Maybe I'm misremembering how physical Logan Ryan was.

860
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: I remember him being pretty physical.

861
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'm mister, So I think of Logan Ryan

862
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: as more of a slot okay, you know, especially later

863
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: on in his career. But yeah, I hear what you're

864
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 2: saying in the sense that at the top of the route,

865
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: if he's facing guys that can really get open at

866
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: the top of the route, he's gonna have some trouble. Well,

867
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: you know. And Logan Ryan was one of those guys

868
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: that did give up a lot of catches but made

869
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: a lot of I means it more.

870
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Just like to your point Logan, Ryan, I felt like

871
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: early on played maybe a little too physically and he

872
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: would get flagged a lot, and then later in his

873
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: career he kind of figured it out. Okay, it's more

874
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: in that sense. Yeah, not a perfect comp but no,

875
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: I I really like cam Hart. He's being mocked right

876
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: now in like the nineties early day three. I don't

877
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: get that he's a little stiff, but you're not if

878
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you're drafting him as a CB one. Yeah, I don't

879
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: know if there's enough there. He's a really good, like

880
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: you said, second corner when you have that sticky coverage

881
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: guy opposite him who can just you know, go punch

882
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: for punch with these bigger physical receivers. And that's the

883
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: exact kind of guy the Patriots need. You did skip

884
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: over a couple of guys we're gonna do. But there's

885
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: some other Day two guys I think worth mentioning that

886
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: maybe could. So Max Melton's probably not gonna fall to them,

887
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: like Max Mountain four block kicks how many?

888
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: So this is my question because I not to cut

889
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: you off, but Max Melton, Sansdril, all these guys.

890
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Like Eose are two of the three.

891
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention Sansdril is one of one of

892
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: the best players to watch in this draft. He's local,

893
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: isn't he. He's fantastic, Like I think that there's a

894
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: chance that he goes into first.

895
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Is he a corner or is he like Cooper to

896
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Gene where you're just gonna play him wherever.

897
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a nickel. I think he's a slot corner.

898
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: But I think if you need to play him on

899
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the boundary, you can play them on the boundary. I

900
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: think you need to playim at safe you can. He's

901
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: probably I think.

902
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: He could play nickel, but yeah, I think you could

903
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: play on the boundary. Again, it's all about body types

904
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: and skill sets. If he's going out on the boundary

905
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: with like a shifty guy that just can play inside

906
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: and outside, then sure, But I'm not I don't think

907
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: that he is like you're starting boundary corner. No, no, no.

908
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like again with Cooper de Jene, where

909
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: we said, what's the matchup this week? He's gonna his

910
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: role is going to change every week depending where you

911
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: play on such.

912
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: A page type of guy like a you know, I

913
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: know he's more decorated coming out than Jonathan Jones. But

914
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: I think that you know, just in terms of like

915
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: the feistiness and the competitiveness and the tackling ability in

916
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: the open field and the speed he plays with. He's

917
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: exactly what the Patriots look for in corners and he

918
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: is shot out of a cannon.

919
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: If they're gonna surprise us and take it defensive player

920
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: higher than we think, he's probably the guy.

921
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awesome, So Max Melton.

922
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I also like the other one is Chris Abrams Strain

923
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: from Missouri, so again wide receiver convert like that another

924
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: guy right, Again, he plays with real physicality. He's a tweener,

925
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: he's five to eleven. He played mostly on the boundary

926
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: of Missouri, but they worked him some in the slot,

927
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I believe at the Senior Bowl. Right, So you're gonna

928
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: be able to move him around and cause the question

929
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: to me when you look at are they drafting a corner,

930
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: is what's the plan for Jonathan Jones?

931
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

932
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Are you looking at Jonathan Jones as your second boundary

933
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: corner opposite Gonzales or with Marcus Jones in the slot,

934
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: or is Jonathan Jones moving back inside? And you're gonna

935
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: go out and get a real second boundary corner. So like,

936
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: if that's the plan, then you're taking a guy like

937
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Cam Harten. If you're gonna keep Jonathan Jones on the

938
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: outside or move him around a guy like Chris Abrams drain,

939
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: You've got a ton of flexibility now in your coverage

940
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: is with Draane and Jonathan Jones. And we'll see if

941
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: like Marco Wilson makes the team or Sean Wade makes

942
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: the team. These are guys that can play from all

943
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: these different alignments and for the secondary that traditionally under

944
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Belichick praise themselves on being positionally diverse, Like a guy

945
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: like Abram's Draine makes a ton of say, so does

946
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Mike Sanders still, Like we just talked about, he's gonna

947
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: go much.

948
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: Sanders still to me is Jonathan Jones's replacement.

949
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: I love John And that's the other thing here. Jonathan

950
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: Jones entering a contract though.

951
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: And he's getting older, right, So yeah, I look at

952
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: saintsdrels as Jonathan Joe. You know, if John I don't know.

953
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Jones has been a boundary corner the last

954
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: three years.

955
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: He has. But I it's all to me, it's less

956
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: about where he's you know, where PFF says he's playing,

957
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: and more about the type of receiver that he's covering.

958
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: So I think that Saintstrel to me, is the type

959
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: of guy that can shadow some of these shiftier inside

960
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: outside the play.

961
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Put him on like Jalen Waddle.

962
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I would I with help obviously, yeah, but yeah,

963
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: I think he could and knows that to me, is

964
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones like he Saint Strell to me, is gonna

965
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: be a really really good number two corner. Yeah, probably

966
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: that is ideally on third down. And then Nickel type

967
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: of situations is probably playing in the slot, but can

968
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: play on the boundary in your base defense as well.

969
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: And I think that he I would look at him

970
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: as like, you know, classic Belichick thing of Jonathan Jones

971
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: getting up there in age. He's gonna need a new contract.

972
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: You know, maybe we draft his replacement this year, let

973
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: him train under Jonathan Jones, and then you know, pass

974
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: the torch to Saint Stroll. That's how I view him,

975
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: And in some ways I think Melton is in that

976
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: same category too, because yeah, he's.

977
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: A similar kind of player. He's got some Jonathan Jones

978
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: in him too.

979
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are your Day two guys, all right, Day

980
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: three I'm gonna go. I'm gonna keep it local. Elijah

981
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: Jones from BC another really good athlete, another longer guy,

982
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: another guy that can play some pressman coverage. I think

983
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: that there's a there's a lot to like about him.

984
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: He's kind of my three cam heart, you know, like

985
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: not not as quite as he doesn't have the film

986
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: against like a Marvin Harrison junior or something like that

987
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: where you can say, oh, this guy can be like

988
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: a number one corner, right, Uh, but I think Elijah

989
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: Jones are talking about that Jason mccordy, right, Just who's

990
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: that third rotational guy that can place has some size

991
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: as athleticism, the play outside. I like Elijah Jones from

992
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: BC a lot.

993
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you wonder with him. He got dismissed

994
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: from the team last year. Yeah, and no reason was

995
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: ever given. So that's always a little well if they're

996
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: trying to do the character thing.

997
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: See, you know, I'm not gonna keeping track of all

998
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: the character things. So that's that's a good.

999
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Call, okay, And I look, I don't know what it was,

1000
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: but that's just always something that you know, and I

1001
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I miss stuff like that too, like, yeah, there's

1002
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: so many players, but you know, you know me, I'm

1003
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: on the you're watching the film. And then he wasn't

1004
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: dismissed for anything that happened on film. Now, so on

1005
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: the boundary, I'm sorry, I got to you know, I

1006
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: gotta give you three players here on the boundary. I

1007
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: like Josh Newton from TCU. Yeah, Josh Newton is interesting.

1008
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: I feel like I do that too much. I say

1009
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: this part. He's an interesting prospect, like of course he's

1010
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it. Josh Newton at this time last

1011
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: year was a top one hundred pick. He's a borderline

1012
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: first round pick at this time last year, and he

1013
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: goes back to school. He didn't have a great season,

1014
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: and then I think teams take a close look at him,

1015
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, is he a pure boundary corner? Is

1016
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: he a tweener? But you know who loves tweener cornerbacks

1017
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. And the dude can play. Ye,

1018
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's gonna question that the dude can play.

1019
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: So I'm a little surprised he's mocked as low as

1020
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: he is right now, which is like mid Day three.

1021
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up going higher than that.

1022
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: He looks like a fit Jarvis Brownlee who had a

1023
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: great Senior Bowl. Super physical cornerback, tone setting cornerback. I

1024
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: really like him. And then the other guy I like

1025
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: for them, this is middle Day three, is Jalen Simpson

1026
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: from Auburn. And this goes back to the conversation here.

1027
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: So this goes back to the conversation we were just having.

1028
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Simpson was a starting boundary corner for three years

1029
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: at Auburn and then last year moved to free safety

1030
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: and he had the I think it's a third highest

1031
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: coverage grade of any safety in the SEC last year

1032
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: in his first year playing it. So what have we

1033
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: spent the first hour of this show saying the Patriots

1034
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: neat a third rotational boundary corner and a rotational free safety.

1035
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Simpson can maybe do both.

1036
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was hoping Elijah Jones could do both. Then

1037
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: he just told me he got kicked off the team. Sorry, uh,

1038
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: Jalen burst in my bubble.

1039
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Simmons just better player too.

1040
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: Maybe he ad good senior bolief, you know.

1041
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Simpson. If you draft him, you're gonna use him

1042
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: as a free safety. Sometimes you're gonna use him as

1043
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: a third corner sometimes with Jonathan Jones and Christian Zas

1044
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: rotating and like that. He's gonna play, he's been and

1045
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, will that be his role permanently. No, Eventually

1046
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: you'll probably find to play a more permanent place to

1047
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: stick him. But he's a guy that can come in

1048
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: and gives them a couple of things that they need.

1049
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really liked him down in Mobile. Thought he

1050
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: was really good in one on ones, better than I

1051
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: expected him to be. I thought maybe he would get

1052
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: beat over the top a little bit in those one

1053
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: on ones. And that's why the safety thing has been

1054
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: a part of the conversation, right, you know, not exactly

1055
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: a dynamic man to man guy, but I think that

1056
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: he can play pretty much both roles. Like you said,

1057
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: I I agree with that. And Josh Newton's an interesting player.

1058
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: He's a little bit light, you know, like he's long

1059
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: and light, so he does get pushed around a little

1060
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: bit sometimes, but but.

1061
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: He'll he'll push back. That's the thing.

1062
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: That's what you like, you know that that that one

1063
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: TCU game I want to really getting a lot of

1064
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: run for me in this draft process, because that's how

1065
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: I discovered Jared Wiley. Not that I discovered Jared Wiley,

1066
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: but me personally. But you you.

1067
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Discovered you went last year, right yep? No, So you

1068
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: saw him because you were texting me during the Colorado

1069
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: game that you liked him.

1070
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I saw I saw him against West Virginia.

1071
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: You didn't. The Colorado game was the first game of

1072
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: the year, wasn't it.

1073
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry, I saw him at the Colorado game.

1074
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Was like, who's this tight end? And then you saw

1075
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: him in person?

1076
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1077
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: The other guy that really popped off is I'm sitting

1078
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: there talking to Bradley Amos, who's you know, nos TCU

1079
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: inside it out? Because he went there. I'm like, Who's

1080
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: who's the corner? You know this corner can play. Josh Newton,

1081
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: Well he was remember last year?

1082
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: Uh? Tomlinson, Well, I'm blanking on his name.

1083
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Travys Thomas, the cousins, Yeah, yeah.

1084
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: He I think is his cousin and whatever.

1085
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: Our nephew, nephew, you're right, yeah, nephew.

1086
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: He was their number two corner as good as he was,

1087
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: and he won the Jim Thorpe Ward. He was their

1088
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: number two corner.

1089
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh yea because Joshnonan's like a true boundary corner,

1090
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: whereas Thomlinson is is more of a slot. So yeah,

1091
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: he's he can play. I think that, Like I said,

1092
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: I think play strength is a little bit of a

1093
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: concern just in terms of in play. Like, I get

1094
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 2: what you're saying that he can, he'll he'll give it back,

1095
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: but I think that there's a there's a lot to

1096
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 2: like about his cover talent.

1097
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of the guys in this draft, like

1098
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: Mike Saint Rastill, like Max Melton, like Josh Newton that

1099
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: are college boundary corners. Well sand are still is different,

1100
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, Max Melton, Chris Abrams, Drain, Josh Newton, who

1101
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: were pure college boundary corners who.

1102
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: I know, I was about to say that, but we

1103
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: were we were on a roll, so I was gonna

1104
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: do that, and we just just finish your point and

1105
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: then we'll talk about that.

1106
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot of boundary There's a lot of guys

1107
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: we're pure boundary corners in college. Yeah, who are like

1108
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: five ten, five eleven that the NFL is gonna look

1109
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: at and say, we don't value this guy as high

1110
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: as the tape suggests we should because we think he's

1111
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a slot corner in the NFL and he's

1112
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to go through that transition. The Patriots thrive

1113
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: on those guys. So even going down to like Beanie

1114
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: Bishop from West Virginia, who had the fastest forty of

1115
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: any player at the Big twelve combine led the second

1116
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: in the nation last year in pass breakups, there's there's

1117
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: a ton of those kinds of guys that if that's

1118
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: what the Patriots are looking for, they're gonna have options.

1119
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: So you want my Josh Newton cop. Yeah, on the field,

1120
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: oh boy, on the field. Jack Jones, Okay, I could

1121
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: see that Jack Jones, a little Jack Jones in him.

1122
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: You know, he's got a little smaller is it might

1123
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: be a little bit smaller, but you know, lighter, you know,

1124
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: more of a not exactly like you know, you don't

1125
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: look at him and he's not physically imposing, but really

1126
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: good ball skills, really good cover talent, feisty. You know,

1127
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Jack Jones. Maybe we learned a little bit about the feistiness,

1128
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: but you know he's that type of guy. Yeah, And Yeah,

1129
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: but all right, let's take a quick detour. I want

1130
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: to answer some of these emails, and I also want

1131
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: to talk about the news that Morell just delivered to

1132
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: us that OJ Simpson, if the glove don't fit a

1133
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: quit gone at seventy six, dead at seventy six. O J. Simpson,

1134
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: thank you for the Kardashians, right, we can thank them

1135
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: for that. We can thank them for the White Bronco.

1136
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: The Bronco is making a comeback though, Barth. I'm not

1137
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: old enough to really remember too much of OJ Simpson playing,

1138
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: but certainly one of the most what's the word controversial, Yeah,

1139
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: athletes of all time, I think is an easy way

1140
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: to put it. I always think it's funny when we

1141
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: go to Buffalo that his number is still in their

1142
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor, which is an interesting decision by the Bills.

1143
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, O J. Simpson, you have an OJA Simpson

1144
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: take you have a thought?

1145
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I would just say he's somebody that, at

1146
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: a time when when football was really taking off, was

1147
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: a superstar in sport, and from a football point of view,

1148
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's somebody that certainly helped the

1149
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: game get where it is today. Yeah, obviously tremendous impact

1150
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: on American pop culture as well off the field after

1151
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: his playing career in multiple different ways.

1152
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, have you ever watched the FX, especially So

1153
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Good Good, So Good TV. Yeah, obviously a dramatization of

1154
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: the situation, even though it was dramatic anyways, it didn't

1155
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: really need right but Oj Simpson thing, the thing that

1156
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: I always go back to is that they interrupted the

1157
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Yeah, to break it, breaking news, to break in.

1158
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Have you seen the thirty for thirty June seventeenth, nineteen

1159
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: ninety four. No, So that day is.

1160
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: I gotta earthquake too, right, the in California.

1161
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like it's considered like the busiest sports

1162
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: day of all time. So you had Arnold Palmer is

1163
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: in his final US Open.

1164
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: The beginning cares about that.

1165
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: I'll shut You're not. No, You're not gonna say that

1166
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: on the first day of the Masters, Absolutely not.

1167
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go home and watch all of

1168
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: four round shutoss.

1169
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: You had Arnold Yeah, okay, you had Arnold Palmer on

1170
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: on the playing his fun around at the US Open.

1171
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: You had the opening of the nineteen ninety four World Cup.

1172
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: You had the Rangers Stanley Cup Parade, Game five, the

1173
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, there's some big thing with Kenigraffy Junior. I

1174
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was. And then the OJ Bronco

1175
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Chase and the.

1176
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: Series that wasn't the earthquake day? Why did I think?

1177
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: But the thirty the thirty for thirty. If you watch it,

1178
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: there's no narration. It's just news clips from the start

1179
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: of the day to the end of the day. It's

1180
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: incredibly well done. I definitely recommend watching it, especially or

1181
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: somebody's interested in sports media. Yeah, just the way you

1182
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: see it all play out is incredible.

1183
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, uh, you know, look, I ninety four,

1184
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: I was two years old, so I'm not gonna sit

1185
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: here and say that I remember what the OJ Bronco chase.

1186
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: But it's so iconic that even as somebody that didn't

1187
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: necessarily live through it, you can see the Bronco, you know,

1188
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: like you can see the news and you know exactly

1189
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: what it looks like. And obviously there's been a lot

1190
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 2: of different fallouts from it, you know, TV shows, documentaries,

1191
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: the Kardashians, you know, like all this kind of stuff.

1192
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: So it's a it's wild, it's a it's a you know,

1193
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: wild character. I don't even know how else to put it. Controversial.

1194
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: A couple of these emails, so Ari Riiseman I think

1195
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 2: is how I guess emails us and he tells tells

1196
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: us as one of the first suggests, and he emailed

1197
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: in a while ago. He said a couple months ago

1198
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: back and was the first person to say on our

1199
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: air at least that the that JJ McCarthy was an

1200
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: option for the Patriots in the first round at least

1201
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: he clamps. So, I don't know if that's true. But

1202
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: his question he emailed into our show back in you know,

1203
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 2: months ago, and Hype was hyping up JJ McCarthy. So

1204
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: he's saying that, you know, it was the first time

1205
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: that we started really talking about JJ McCarthy seriously. His

1206
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: question is, is has your thoughts and opinions about JJ

1207
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: to the Patriots change because he sees him as a

1208
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: great fit in their system. My answer is no, my

1209
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: thought has not changed. And this has been important to me,

1210
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: you know, because you know me, Alex, I have some

1211
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: recency bias, and I can sometimes.

1212
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: I was getting really nervous about you watching J McCarthy.

1213
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: I can sometimes change my opinions on things in the draft,

1214
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: and I let other opinions. I've tried really, really hard

1215
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: to stay consistent with these quarterbacks wire to wire this

1216
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: year because I just want to trust my instincts on it.

1217
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: I watched the film back in January. I've watched the film.

1218
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: I've went to a couple of pro days this year

1219
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: of these guys, I just want to be consistent about

1220
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing. The biggest thing that I see with

1221
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy that I just can't get over in my

1222
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: head is to me, he is just not a good

1223
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: enough playmaker at the position to take him three overall.

1224
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's going to be a terrible

1225
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 2: NFL player. I'm not saying that he might be. Any

1226
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: one of these guys might be right, but I'm not

1227
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: saying he's going to be He's a terrible prospect. What

1228
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you is that if you're going to draft

1229
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: a quarterback at three overall, that guy has got to

1230
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: be a game changer. That guy has got to change

1231
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: the fortune of your franchise. You have to be a

1232
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: different team the day after you draft that player. And

1233
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: when I watch JJ McCarthy at Michigan, what I see

1234
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: as a guy that Yeah, when he's on his first

1235
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 2: read and he's on time and he makes a throw

1236
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: to the number one reading the progression, he can make

1237
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: some really pretty throws. He can't. I had a really

1238
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: really nice one in the National Championship game on a

1239
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: deep over at to Roman Wilson right in the bucket dime.

1240
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: You know, like he can make those types of throws.

1241
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: But what I see with him on film is a

1242
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: lack of just processing an imagination where he's seeing the

1243
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: whole picture. And so a lot of the time he'll

1244
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: just have tunnel vision for the first read and he'll

1245
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: miss the second read in the progression. Is that's even

1246
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: more open for a bigger play, Yeah, will be missed

1247
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: on film. So on the in the box score, it's

1248
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: a completion, right, and accounts as a completion, and it

1249
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: looks like a completion. It's a completion. But then when

1250
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: you watch the film you see, all right, well he

1251
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: got an eight yard completion when there might have been

1252
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: a seventy five yard completion.

1253
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Who does this sound like? Who did? We used to

1254
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: complain a lot about doing.

1255
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: That the tunnel vision, Yeah, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Oh

1256
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Zach Wilson, Oh, well.

1257
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: Like rookie Mac Jones. Yeah, more NFL. He didn't do

1258
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: that in college as much.

1259
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: But you need that player, whether you want to call

1260
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: it a playmaker, whether you want to call it creative,

1261
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Like he's gotta be a guy that makes explosive plays

1262
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: happen because if his eyes, his instincts, his arm, talent

1263
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: and physical traits obviously as well. And I just don't

1264
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: see those things with JJ McCarthy. So it's not that

1265
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: I think that he's a it's outlandish that he's in

1266
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: the first round conversation. I just think it's outlandish that

1267
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: he's in the top five conversations.

1268
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're drafting at three, you know, so I

1269
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: don't think JJ McCarthy is as safe as a pick

1270
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: as everybody says. But if you're drafting at three, the

1271
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: goal shouldn't be safe. The goal should be upside.

1272
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1273
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, if JJ McCarthy comes in and is fine

1274
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: and Drake may goes on to be like an MVP candidate,

1275
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: you missed, you missed, and could Drake may be a bust. Absolutely,

1276
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: but you're picking this high. The one thing the Patriots

1277
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: have is time I take the big shot. Absolutely, I

1278
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: would take the big shot.

1279
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at it. As I've used this

1280
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: com multiple times. I'll I'll just go through all three

1281
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: of my costs of these guys. Drake May to me

1282
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: is in that Alan Herbert mold. Yeah. I think some

1283
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: people see Herbert. I see moyb be a little bit

1284
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: more Josh Allen because of the some of the playmaking

1285
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: off script. Some people call it recklessness. Some people call

1286
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: it playmaking. It depends on where you fall on that

1287
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: line right of the lefty throw and the you know,

1288
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: three guys are hanging on him and he's throwing the

1289
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: ball down the field right like those types of things

1290
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: are are. You look at it and you're like that's

1291
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: a gun slinger, that's a playmaker. You look at it

1292
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: like that's a turnover weighted to happen. That's your opinion.

1293
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: I see more of that on film with Drake May

1294
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: than Justin Herbert. Like Justin Herbert to me was always

1295
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: the prototypical pocket quarterback. So that's why I use Josh

1296
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: Allen Lamar with Justin Fields or excuse me, with Jaden

1297
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: Daniels spoiler. I have a tough time calling him Lamar,

1298
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: because I don't I think that they're stylistically they're very,

1299
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: very different in terms of where they attack the field,

1300
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: Like Lamar Pepper's between the numbers like that's his area.

1301
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: It seems slants like that. Lamar loves throwing between the

1302
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: numbers from all the way back to Louisville. But in

1303
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: terms of how you guard him and how you defend

1304
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: him game plan wise, Jayden Daniels is gonna impact the

1305
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: game like Lamar does in terms of his mobility. There's

1306
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: a lot of overlap with his passing profile. And I

1307
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: wrote about this today on Patriots dot Com with Justin

1308
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: fields in Jalen Hurts right where the middle of the

1309
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: field is out like, he's not gonna throw to the

1310
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: middle of the field. That's just not his area. He

1311
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 2: wants to throw down the field and outside the numbers,

1312
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: like that's where he wants to push the ball. If

1313
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: you can get him in aj Brown at DeVante Smith

1314
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: those level of weapons like they have in Philly, then

1315
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna be able to be just fine as a passer,

1316
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: maybe even really good as a passer. But if you're

1317
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: gonna put him in an offense like what Justin fields

1318
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: was in in Chicago, where he doesn't have those outside winners,

1319
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough because he's not gonna make the

1320
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: in rhythm anticipatory throws over the middle of the field

1321
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: to keep that offens afloat. That's Jaden Daniels jjm karthy.

1322
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: I stick to this. He's block party to me. JJ

1323
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: McCarthy's block party. If you're in an offense where the scheme,

1324
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: the skill, talent, all those things are creating a bunch

1325
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: of first read throws for the quarterback, he can be

1326
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: on time and he can be accurate.

1327
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: Right.

1328
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: If you're an offense that needs to get your quarterback

1329
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: to be a playmaker and needs your quarterback to be

1330
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: a game changer and tilt the things in your favor,

1331
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: I just don't see JJ McCarthy ever being that. So

1332
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: that's where I come with the safe thing. I understand

1333
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: what you're saying is that there's a chance, there's a chance.

1334
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things on film about him where

1335
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: there's he's Zach Wilson.

1336
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: Here's what I say to that. So your thing is,

1337
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: if he's on a good team, he's gonna be good. Yeah,

1338
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: probably most quarterback.

1339
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: No, my thing is is that if you are one

1340
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: of these guys, like a Kyle Shanahan, that doesn't need

1341
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: the quarterback to be the driving force of why your

1342
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: offense is good, then I think JJ McCarthy is a

1343
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: nice fit for you. Like I think JJ McCarthy.

1344
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: That doesn't but that offense doesn't work without talent, serious

1345
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: talent at the wide receiver position.

1346
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. I think JJ McCarthy's a really, really good

1347
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: fit in Minnesota.

1348
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: Oh, if he goes to Minnesota, he's gonna be like

1349
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: a premial Pro bowler.

1350
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: Because he's got he's got Koc, he's got those two receivers.

1351
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: I think he'd be a really really.

1352
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota is the best landing spot for any of these quarterbacks.

1353
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: If I'm one of these quarterbacks, I'm hoping Minnesota trades

1354
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: up and.

1355
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: Get But here's my point. I guess at Minnesota is

1356
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: I agree it's the best landing spot. My point is,

1357
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: if I'm Minnesota, I kind of call the league's bluff

1358
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,479
Speaker 2: on JJ McCarthy a little bit, and I just wait

1359
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: fair I wait for eleven, and I'm just like, Patriots,

1360
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: are you're really gonna draft this kid over Jaden Daniels

1361
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: or Drake May. I don't see it. Commanders, I don't

1362
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: You're not doing it.

1363
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: Is that what the Patriots did with Max Jones? Yeah,

1364
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: and it worked out, not long term, no, but yeah

1365
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: in the draft set. So if I'm the if I'm

1366
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: the Vikings, I'm not giving up my war chest to

1367
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: go get trade up and get JJ. I might get

1368
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: worried about the Giants doing something stupid at six, But.

1369
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: Don't they have JJ McCarthy on their team.

1370
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: No, they have bad Drake May.

1371
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: I feel like they have JJ McCarthy in Daniel Jones.

1372
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: I think it's it's.

1373
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: Stay McCarthy's not doing the rushing things Daniel Jones does.

1374
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: No, he's not as good as a runner. No, No,

1375
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: I just know my opinion. Long story short, That was

1376
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: a long answer. Yeah, my opinion does not change on

1377
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: JJ McCart has not changed on JJ McCarthy.

1378
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't think there was a chance you

1379
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: can go in the first round. I didn't think the

1380
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: league was going to fall for all of this. So

1381
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: in that sense, my opinion has changed, But I still

1382
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: feel the same about him as a prospect.

1383
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of opinions out there on

1384
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: these guys. And I'm not saying that my opinion is

1385
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: better than anybody else's or vice versa. Right, I'm not

1386
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: saying that. I understand that there's a lot of opinions.

1387
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: But to me, the two people that I put on

1388
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: a pedestal this time of year in terms of draft analysis,

1389
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah Dane Brugler, I think they're the two best

1390
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 2: draft analysts in the game right now. Well for offensive line, sure,

1391
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: but those two guys in terms of like big media

1392
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: draft guys, I think they're the two best guys out

1393
01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: there right now. Both of them have it. Caleb Mayannuel's

1394
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: McCarthy one through four, Both of them have it the

1395
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: same way. The people that get into the conversation, like

1396
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: these former quarterbacks and stuff like that, see a little

1397
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: bit different.

1398
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Did you hear Merril Hodge?

1399
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Meryl Hawk, that was wild? Well, Meryl Hodge also

1400
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: is looking for a job, so yeah. But all these

1401
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: other these former quarterbacks and stuff like that, when I

1402
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: look at it, I the reason why I valued Dane

1403
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 2: and Daniel Jeremiah's opinion so much is because those guys

1404
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: look at it like scouts. Like those guys look at

1405
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: it like gms in the NFL, like front office people.

1406
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these former quarterbacks look at

1407
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: it as coaches, like if I was this guy's quarterbacks coach,

1408
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: who would not get me fired? You know?

1409
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: Like?

1410
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: And I think that these Jeremiah and Brugler look at

1411
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: it how the front office would look at it. And

1412
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: that's how I think you should look at the draft.

1413
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: I think the coaches are the ones that get involved,

1414
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 2: frankly a little bit too much and mess the whole

1415
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: thing up. Like they come in and there they fall

1416
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: in love with the guy in an interview, and now

1417
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we have Nikhil Harry over AJ Brown, right,

1418
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, Like That's that's how I feel about, uh,

1419
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: the coach's aspect of it. So I really think that

1420
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be the consensus. I think that's going

1421
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: to be how the board falls on draft night, and

1422
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: all this other stuff has been hot air in between that.

1423
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be wrong.

1424
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: I still think Daniels is gonna go second, and I

1425
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: think he should. I have Daniels as my second best

1426
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: quarter It's close. The margins very close, yeah, and I've

1427
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: talked enough about that, but yeah, I mean I think

1428
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: the gap between three and four, and I still have

1429
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: Penix at four for what it's worth.

1430
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so somebody did email in about Penix why not

1431
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: Penis the thing about Penix is and look they they

1432
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: if it comes out. I know with Christian Gonzalez, it

1433
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: came out after the draft that they sent to Rod

1434
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: Mayo out to Oregon, and Gerrod Mayo was more involved

1435
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: and in terms of interviewing him and getting to know him,

1436
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: and so they did a lot of homework that we

1437
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily know about on Christian Gonzales. So maybe there's

1438
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: a chance that they're stealth doing stealth mode with Penix, right, and.

1439
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: They do have Tyler Hughes in the building.

1440
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, But with all that being said, if they draft

1441
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: Penick without doing the homework, then I think that that

1442
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: is malpractice. Like I think that that's a dangerous way

1443
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: to live. Yeah, if they.

1444
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: Were a guy with his injury history.

1445
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: If you draft Panics without hosting him for a Top

1446
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: thirty visit and not getting your own doctors to look

1447
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: at his at the injuries and look at his body

1448
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: and things like that, and not get to know him

1449
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: at all, Like, you can't do that. You can't draft

1450
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: him as the quarterback of the future without really do

1451
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: putting in the work like they've done with these other guys.

1452
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: Like they they there's no matter what way he sliced it.

1453
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: Even if they had a weekend with Michael Pennix and

1454
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: Washington on a private visit, there didn't do as much

1455
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: homework on him as they did with Drake may and

1456
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. They just didn't.

1457
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a mistake that would as

1458
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: much as that, like Michael Penix, that would worry me

1459
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1460
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Uh, there's one other question in here.

1461
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I was on on Claire, our friend Claire

1462
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: Across the Pond her podcast, and she asked me a

1463
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: really good question, And she asked me about depending on

1464
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: which quarterback they draft. Drake Maye, Jayden and Daniels are

1465
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: the two guys we were talking about more, how would

1466
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: you then go about building the offense around that player

1467
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: in terms of the other players you're drafting, not the scheme,

1468
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: but in terms of the personnel.

1469
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: No, it's a good question. So I would go tackle

1470
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: second no matter what.

1471
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: I think that if you drafted and Daniels, you kind

1472
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: of have to.

1473
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: I even think of you draft Drake made just because

1474
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I hate the idea of them doing left tackle by

1475
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: committee again. Yeah, because we saw how that went last year. Now,

1476
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: I actually think we're gonna read the tea leaves. I

1477
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go wide receiver with their second pick,

1478
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: whatever that is whether and I've I'm gonna pound the

1479
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: table for this take Evan, because I've come to the

1480
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: terms where this is. I am strongly in.

1481
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 2: Belief of this. You're pound on the table for something.

1482
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: I do not want to see the Patriots pick at

1483
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: thirty four. I don't care if you trade up. I

1484
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: don't care if for trade down. The way we think

1485
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: the board's gonna fall. Picking at thirty four makes no sense.

1486
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: It just doesn't if you like one the players they

1487
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: realistically gonna be targeting in that range, either Geiton eighty, Mitchell,

1488
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, Kingsley. Most of these guys are probably gonna

1489
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: go late first round. Kingsley. Maybe you can wait on.

1490
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: But like, if you really like one of those guys,

1491
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: you have the ammunition, move up three or four spots

1492
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: and get them. What ammunition you have eight picks, it's

1493
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: it's thirty four, one O three and one eighty.

1494
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't have like a ton of like

1495
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: those pick the picks, a ton of aut.

1496
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: Or move back, move back and add picks. I just

1497
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: don't think no thirty four, one O three and one eighty.

1498
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: There was a trade last year between the Jaguars and

1499
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: Bucks that is almost exactly that, So that should work.

1500
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't love giving up one O three.

1501
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: I want to.

1502
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: Maybe call a future fourth then.

1503
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, just one of three is essentially a

1504
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: top one hundred.

1505
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: You want cam Hart, I get it. You want to know.

1506
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: It's just it's a top one hundred pick. I mean,

1507
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 2: were you know they have a chance. I know it's

1508
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: a friend. It's one O three, it's not one oh

1509
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: one or not a ninety nine or something. Guy.

1510
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: So if you want to wait, if you want to wait,

1511
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: then and all those guys go the tackles and receivers

1512
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: go trade back, don't force yourself to pick a thirty four. Yeah,

1513
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of my point.

1514
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Obviously the board falls in a in a certain way,

1515
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not super eager for them to

1516
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: trade back up into the first round. I think it'd

1517
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 2: be fun, yeah, and I think it could It could

1518
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: have a lot of dividends. Like let's say if they

1519
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: draft Jade and Daniels and BTJ. If for some reason

1520
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: slides and he's like available at twenty six or twenty seven,

1521
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: and you want to trade up and impair them together,

1522
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: then sure, like have at it go wild. But I

1523
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: don't I think that there's tackle I can. I can

1524
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: see where you're coming from that it drops off, and

1525
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: that does worry me. A receiver. I think there's way

1526
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: too much receiver talent in this draft for me to

1527
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: trade up for her receiver. I just I love Adie Mitchell.

1528
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,879
Speaker 2: You know I love Adie Mitchell. But what's the difference.

1529
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 2: You know, is there a big enough difference between Adie

1530
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: Mitchell and the guys that are going to go on

1531
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: Day two of this draft at that position? I don't know.

1532
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: I kind of just because of the position he plays

1533
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: within the position as an.

1534
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: X that's fair. I guess from a body type perspective, that's.

1535
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: The kind of player you want. But the point being,

1536
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: I think that reading the tea leaves they're gonna go receiver.

1537
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: I would go tackle with the second pick. Whoever you

1538
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback. The difference to me is when you

1539
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: do eventually pick the receiver, I think with Drake May

1540
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: you maybe look at a guy with a little more

1541
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: over the field stuff. Maybe is Ze a guy like

1542
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: a Ricky piersoll Room and Wilson somebody like that, where

1543
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: even Johnny Wilson. If you're drafting Jade Daniels, I'm going

1544
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: and I'm getting a more vertical as weird as this

1545
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: is gonna sound. Yeah, is tes Walker almost a better

1546
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: fit with Jade Daniels than he is with Drake May?

1547
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I think with Jaden Daniel.

1548
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,879
Speaker 1: Stylistically taking out the fact that they already have chemistry

1549
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: with each other.

1550
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jayden and Daniels is definitely gonna need somebody that

1551
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: can win on a slot fade. That's what you have

1552
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of catch radious as well, So that

1553
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 2: that's why I you know, Jayden Daniels, I think tackles

1554
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 2: so in important to me for two reasons. Obviously, the size,

1555
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: you know, he's if he starts taking a bunch of

1556
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: hits at two hundred and ten pounds, we're gonna be

1557
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: in trouble. The other thing is is that he take

1558
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: he does take a lot of sacks, and he does

1559
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: he's not very even though he's fast in the open field,

1560
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: he's not very evasive in the pocket. He's not very

1561
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 2: elusive in the pocket. So I think you're gonna need

1562
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 2: a sturdy offensive line that's gonna protect him. He's also

1563
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have the biggest arm in the world, so if

1564
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: you're asking him to throw off his back foot off platform,

1565
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: not you know, within a muddy pocket and jested pocket, like,

1566
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: that's gonna be problematic too. So I look at a

1567
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: guy like like Daniels, and if you're truly projecting him

1568
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 2: to thrive and be like a really really good player,

1569
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: like you need to have like an Eagles like offensive

1570
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: line in front of him. And I think that that's

1571
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: why I would probably go tackle with that second pick,

1572
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: whereas with somebody like Drake May at two hundred and

1573
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: twenty five pounds with mobility. Am I that worried if

1574
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: he's got to take some hits and move around back

1575
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 2: there and get off his spot. Not?

1576
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: But I feel like when you phrase the question that way,

1577
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: it predisposes the idea that the two answers have to

1578
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: be different. Like I feel like there's almost this instinct

1579
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: to go to well, okay, I go tackle with one

1580
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: receiver with the other, I don't think so. I think

1581
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: with Baltimom you take the tackle second, because that's just

1582
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: what the offense.

1583
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: I just think that there's a really good chance of

1584
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: the talent at receivers better at thirty four than the

1585
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: talented tackle. So but but I would prioritize tackle with

1586
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: Daniels because of the things I said. But I don't

1587
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: think that Drake May is going to be as so.

1588
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: It's more important. You could say it's more important with

1589
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: one than the other. But to your point about the tackle, yes,

1590
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: the talent receiver is gonna be better at thirty four

1591
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: because it's a better receiver draft, right, you have to

1592
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: look ahead, what's the talent going to be at sixty eight?

1593
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: You take the better would you rather, because it's the

1594
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: totality of it, you take the more talented receiver thirty four,

1595
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: And now what are you doing at sixty eight at tackle?

1596
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: Would you rather have the thirty four receiver in the

1597
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: sixty eight tackle or the thirty four tackle and the

1598
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: sixty eight receiver, Because well, it depends on who's on

1599
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: the board. But like if you have to kind of

1600
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: look ahead and say, all right, receiver. Realistically, you don't

1601
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: know exactly, but you have an IDEA receiver's gonna drop

1602
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: from this to this. Tackle's gonna drop from this to this.

1603
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: And I think you look at the drop at tackle,

1604
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: especially if Patrick Paul goes higher than he's projected to,

1605
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: which should. You're not getting a year one starter at

1606
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: tackle at sixty eight. You're just not. You're now kicking

1607
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: the canon tackle down in next year and it's chooks

1608
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: a core four and then a rotation, Whereas if you

1609
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: take the tackle a thirty four, you're probably gonna get

1610
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: maybe not a week one starter, but a year one starter.

1611
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 1: And I still think you can get contributing wide receivers

1612
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: at sixty eight.

1613
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right about in terms of the

1614
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: talent on the board. I just think it's difficult as

1615
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: always to say to guess who's gonna be exactly what

1616
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: names are gonna be available at both picks. But I

1617
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: guess maybe I like the sixty eight tackle options a

1618
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 2: little bit better than you like. I think like guys

1619
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: like Roger Rosengarten, Blake Fisher, you know, I think those

1620
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: guys are are I could see some of those guys

1621
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: being able to start right away, especially Rosengarten who's played

1622
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: a ton at Washington.

1623
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Rosengarten would be the one guy.

1624
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that there's some guys that at

1625
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: sixty eight that maybe can fit. You know, I Love

1626
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can play right away, because

1627
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a big lead for him. But you know,

1628
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,440
Speaker 2: the kid from Yale I think as starter caliber traits

1629
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: definitely left tackle. Even maybe he could play right away.

1630
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. It depends on if he can get

1631
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: up to speed with the play speed and all that

1632
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of stuff right away. Physicality. All right, let's get

1633
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: back to the defense because we've got fifteen to twenty

1634
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,839
Speaker 2: minutes here. Yeah, let's go to edge defender. Edge rushers.

1635
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 2: I think this is an important spot for them.

1636
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: I think that there's everybody's in a contract here.

1637
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's in the canon will except Jennings and you know,

1638
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: depending on where you want to put ke On White.

1639
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing though with this is that

1640
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: the guys that I put on the list, I think

1641
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: pass rush upside is more important. Pass rushers, yeah, yeah,

1642
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: because like they're gonna have Jennings, they're gonna have ke

1643
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: On White. They're gonna if they need that that guy

1644
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 2: to just set the edge of the defense, They're gonna

1645
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: have guys to have and to do that they need

1646
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: they need yeap that maybe is a little bit more

1647
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: well rounded. But in general, and I do think that

1648
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: we should spend thirty seconds on Dallas Turner just because

1649
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: he is the best defensive player on the board probably player. Yeah.

1650
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: I think Brian Burns is a great com for him.

1651
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly who he is. He's not Will Anderson.

1652
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: He's not as well rounded against the runs as Will Anderson.

1653
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: He's more raw, you know, like he's more of like

1654
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: a tool z edged guy that's gonna develop over the

1655
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: course of time. But his film is you know, you

1656
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: can see it. You can see the movement, you can

1657
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,919
Speaker 2: see the band, the explosiveness to change the direction ability.

1658
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: But he's right now in terms of being well schooled,

1659
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put him in that category.

1660
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: Give me fifteen seconds on Jared verse two because I

1661
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: feel like he's being underrated in this draft.

1662
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: So Jared versus one of those guys that is always

1663
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: tough for me because his winning trait as a pass

1664
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 2: rusher is power. Yeah, And I think it will translate,

1665
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 2: but for every Jared versus a Tyree Wilson where it

1666
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: does and translate. So I think that's the one thing

1667
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: that you have to look at with Jared versus what

1668
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 2: when when teams start to stack the board and stuff

1669
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 2: like that. I think that some people are going to

1670
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: like the twitchy Dallas Turner lay to Latus of the

1671
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: world better just because of the way that they move.

1672
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, And I think going from there,

1673
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about Braylan Trice. If Bill Belichick

1674
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: was still here, you could fit Brailan Trice for Jersey

1675
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: right now from Washington. He's that kind of player. But

1676
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, their earliest guy we look at

1677
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: for the Patriots has to be Austin Booker.

1678
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1679
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: They hosted That's My Guy.

1680
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, really good tape for Austin Booker. The Catch

1681
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: with Austin Booker. He played five hundred and five snaps

1682
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 2: total at Kansas.

1683
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, after being a backup at Minnesota for

1684
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: three It's one of the he came out of nowhere,

1685
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: the smallest sample sizes that I've seen for a guy

1686
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: that's projected to go this high. You know, Mims is

1687
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: another one of those guys. You know, the tackle from Georgia.

1688
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: He had eight hundred careers. So we're talking we're still

1689
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: at least talking about half a season more of playing

1690
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: time for Mims than for Booker. But when you turn

1691
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: on the film with Booker, an awesome athlete, like skill,

1692
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: rush talent off the chart, really slippery, bendy, very like

1693
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: good at slithering and slipping blocks in the run game,

1694
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: really long, he's like six three, six ' four. He's

1695
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: got really good arm length, he knows how to use it,

1696
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: and he has got some rush talent. Man Like, he

1697
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: can really get off the ball, he can bend around

1698
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: the corner. He's got some inside counters to his game.

1699
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: For somebody that didn't play, it's amazing how well schooled

1700
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: he is. He just put the work in. You assume

1701
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's a very hard worker, stayed after practice. Yeah,

1702
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: and he's flying off draft boards right now. I think

1703
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: that he has many teams visiting with him or having

1704
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: him for visits as they did. I think the external,

1705
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, the media is starting to catch up on

1706
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: there's really something here. So that's the day too. I mean,

1707
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: he'd be my Day two guy.

1708
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, awesome, Booker, you probably got taken at

1709
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: sixty eight. So the tape against Texas, which is, yeah,

1710
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: draftable tackles at Texas one next year that could be

1711
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: a first round pick at left tackle, and then Christian

1712
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: Jones on the right side torch. Both of them like

1713
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: couldn't couldn't block them, had like six.

1714
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: Pressures could Yeah, and they have guys just.

1715
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: Really incredibly small sample size. But man, like, what a

1716
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 2: what a film he has?

1717
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: Is he defensive? Emarusms similar?

1718
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 2: That's that I would say that's probably the comp like

1719
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: freaky athlete. The one thing about him that he'll need

1720
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: he'll need to add some weight and mass. He's a lean,

1721
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: But in terms of rush talent, it's it's really really I.

1722
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: Saw NFL zerline has him comped to Max Crosby. Yeah,

1723
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: obviously pretty lofty.

1724
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't Max Crosby. I think let me double

1725
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: chuck now, Yeah, I think you're right. I thought I

1726
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 2: saw that comp. I don't know, I don't know who

1727
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: I would have him com to. Uh. The difference between

1728
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: him and.

1729
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: Like a guy like Yeahlin had Max Crosby.

1730
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 2: Is that he's is that I think Booker is much

1731
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 2: more instinctual against the run. He's not gonna take on

1732
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: blocks against the run, but he can slip blocks against

1733
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: the run really well because he's so laterally quick. Yeah,

1734
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: he just moves really well on film, really impressive. And

1735
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: when you see him against Texas and you see him

1736
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: against those tackles that are gonna be NFL guys, and

1737
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: like it's just it pops off. The other a Day

1738
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: two guy that I would say is, of course I'm

1739
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: blinking on his name from Alabama.

1740
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,440
Speaker 1: The other uh eh, Braswell.

1741
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Braswell is a linear up the field rusher

1742
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: like Booker's got. Yeah, lateral quickness like Booker can can

1743
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: can counter and go inside and outside. Braswell's gonna go

1744
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 2: right for you to the quarterback with speed the power.

1745
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: Not the biggest guy, like he's like two fifty to

1746
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 2: fifty five, which is pretty big for nowadays, But it's

1747
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: more about like the vertical speed to power, you know,

1748
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 2: explosiveness that you see. He's gonna be really good on stunts.

1749
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna be really good at pressing the pocket. He's

1750
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 2: gonna be really good off the edge. In terms of

1751
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: those those things. A little stiff like doesn't necessarily have

1752
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: inside counters, like I said, not like a spin move,

1753
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, arm over type of guy. But if you

1754
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: just want a guy to dent the pocket and use

1755
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: that power uh and convert it from the speed and

1756
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: explosiveness off the ball, uh, he he definitely can do that.

1757
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 2: And if you're you know what Alabama would do a

1758
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: lot of is they would rush him with the with

1759
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: the with the bull with the speed the power, and

1760
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: then they would loop around to tackle and close the

1761
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,919
Speaker 2: pocket with the tackle because they would know that Braswell

1762
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 2: would get up the field and create that pressure and

1763
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: so then when the quarterback would step out to his

1764
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: writing up or something like that, uh there, they would

1765
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: close the pocket with a looper coming around. I always

1766
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: love watching Alabama's defensive line because they're so they there.

1767
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Their rush coordination is always fantastic and that. But he's

1768
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: one of those guys that you're gonna have to do

1769
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 2: those types of things with and protect him because if

1770
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: you just want to give him cart blanche to go

1771
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: after the quarterback, he could he's gonna get caught up

1772
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: the field like that's going to happen.

1773
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: You're also gonna take him at thirty four. So should

1774
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: we move on the guys they might actually take now

1775
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: that we've done all that, you know, you know my guys, Mokamara. Yeah,

1776
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: at one O three from Colorado State. You talk about

1777
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: Josh ut J, I think he plays similar to he's built,

1778
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: he's bigger, he's shorter, but he's like more muscular. Yeah.

1779
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: First thing that stands out high high motor player. The

1780
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: guy never quits on a play, and that can be

1781
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: a gift and a curse. And I think honing that

1782
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be big for him. But he's like six

1783
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: foot two fifty out of Colorado State. If you had

1784
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: the same tape from a player who was six foot

1785
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: two out of Colorado or out of any Power five school,

1786
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: he's a top one hundred pick easily. I think he's

1787
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: a hitting gem in this draft, went down, had a

1788
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: good Shrine Bowl. He can play the run a little

1789
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: bit too for a guy who I think many a

1790
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: profiling is a pure pass rusher. Like, yeah, he'll he'll

1791
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: set an edge. Maybe not. I wouldn't use him as

1792
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: a primary edge setter, but he's he's not foreign to it. Yeah,

1793
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: I think in that Josh hut J role though, in

1794
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: the NFL is like a third down pass rush specialist.

1795
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: He could be very successful.

1796
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I knew you're gonna pick him, so I

1797
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 2: went with a couple of different guys.

1798
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: Well, I want your thoughts on him, unless you didn't watch.

1799
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: It, I have watched him. I think that you know,

1800
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: the one thing that I look at with him is

1801
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: where are they gonna go stylistically with their entire package,

1802
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: Like are they gonna are they gonna allow josh uj

1803
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: types to actually go after quarterbacks or are they gonna

1804
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: still prioritize setting the edge and pocket integrity and all

1805
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, which I thought last year, Well.

1806
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, you just play him on third downs.

1807
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year I thought that that was a detriment

1808
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I think he had a down year partially

1809
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,919
Speaker 2: because they he was trying to play within the framework

1810
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 2: instead of just letting him go after the QB. I

1811
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: think one of the more head scratching things, not to

1812
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: get off on a whole tangent about last year, but

1813
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 2: after Judon went down, why they didn't just let oj

1814
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 2: just go up the field and get after the quarterback

1815
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: was shocking to me, Like that you had no other

1816
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 2: pass rush, like just even if he lets the quarterback

1817
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: out of the pocket, just let him go do his thing.

1818
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: You know, it was very bizarre. I look at at

1819
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: Moe A is one of those guys that needs to

1820
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: be able to do that right well.

1821
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: But that's what I think as as a play him

1822
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: on three downs. I'm drafting him to third and ten,

1823
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: get in there, go get the quarterback, like that's his role.

1824
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna play twenty five thirty snaps a game, and

1825
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: that's what I'm drafting for.

1826
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: The other guy that two guys that I had, Nelson

1827
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: Caesar from Houston, Like Nelson Caesar. Yeah. Yeah, So he's

1828
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: more of like an Anthony Jennings Senior Bowl Yeah, like

1829
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 2: edge center. He's not as big as Jennings, He's not

1830
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 2: like he's a little bit more undersized than Jennings is.

1831
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: But when I watch him play, it's about you know,

1832
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: hand strength, length, pad level, leverage, motor. Yeah, Like it's

1833
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: not about you know, Moe is a get off guy,

1834
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: Like it's not about that. It's it's about all these

1835
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: other things with him. A really good Senior Bowl week

1836
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: just using his length, using you know, ability to create

1837
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: separation with the length and all that kind of stuff.

1838
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: Impressive player there. The other guy that I had is that.

1839
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 1: I want you to say it, come on, give me

1840
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: who I want? Who you are you gonna say?

1841
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Gabriel Murphy.

1842
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's way more boring than what I was saying.

1843
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: So Gabriel Murphy is the other UCLA edger. Yeah, so

1844
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: Late two Lots is going top fifteen, I think, top

1845
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,799
Speaker 2: top twenty, top twenty four. Yeah, the other ed Dresher,

1846
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: Gabriel Murphy from UCLA. When you watch LA two lat too,

1847
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 2: you're like, this other guy is kind of good too. Yeah. Yeah,

1848
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: And I think that this happens all the time, especially

1849
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 2: with the Patriots that they love doing this. So, uh,

1850
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna go out and get the other guy that

1851
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: no one else, you know, everybody is all focused on

1852
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: the first round guy. Uh, Gabriel Murphy, I think is

1853
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 2: like a one oh to have one O two or

1854
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: one O three. I don't know why I.

1855
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: Keep one O three. I noticed your mock drafted one

1856
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: on two.

1857
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: Did I do it wrong? What one work for the team?

1858
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: I know?

1859
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: Right freaking I? Uh? One O three I think is

1860
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: probably where you're gonna have to take him, otherwise it's

1861
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 2: gonna be gone. Yeah, but uh yeah, really well more

1862
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 2: well rounded, like Lat two is so bendy and explosive.

1863
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: But Gabriel Murphy, I feel like, is gonna be one

1864
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: of those lunch pale guys for you that's just gonna

1865
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: be able to play and is also going to be

1866
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: able to rush the passer a little bit. Like he's

1867
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: got a little bit more pass rush than Nelson Caesar

1868
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 2: to him, which is why I.

1869
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm I'm with you on that. I kind

1870
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: of looked at him the same way that Hey like.

1871
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: And the question is a lot to freed some things

1872
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: up for him, definitely, And I think that's why it's

1873
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: further down the board. But if you're drafting, gonna be

1874
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: a secondary pass rusher, yeah great. A few other names

1875
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I just throw up. Brendan Jackson from Washington State, ye

1876
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: later Day three guy, tremendous motor, tremendous effort, tremendous tackler.

1877
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: At the very least, he's a kicking game guy. Xavier

1878
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: Thomas from Clemson is an interesting developmental edge for me,

1879
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: a guy that because realistically, if they draft an edge,

1880
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: they might not need him to play this year. You're

1881
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: probably drafting this guy for twenty five. So Xavior Thomas

1882
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: is a guy that can maybe step into that josh

1883
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: U j Roll for a year next year. And then

1884
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: you want to talk about really developmental. This is the

1885
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: guy I was hoping you were going to say, because

1886
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: they had him for a visit, is Jylex Hunt.

1887
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going there. No, that's all you the

1888
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: special teams former.

1889
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: He's not especially former Cornell safety, only played special teams.

1890
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: Transferred to us.

1891
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: He's not a special teams guy. And then he said,

1892
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 2: only played special teams in college. He's gonna be special.

1893
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: Teams early in college, went to Houston Christian last year,

1894
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: showed some growth as a pass rusher. If you really

1895
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: want a project, if you really want a true project,

1896
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: he's the guy. All Right, I'm not gonna keep going

1897
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: because I want to make you talk about linebackers and

1898
01:25:59,439 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: defensive tack.

1899
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna let's we have to do at

1900
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: least pretty quickly.

1901
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson would be a Belichick pick if so.

1902
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson is another guy that has some injury red flag,

1903
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: but the film is first round calend like hairs on

1904
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: fire type of lazy if I him to Luke, Yes,

1905
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: because Lukekeley is a Hall of Famer. The comp linebackers.

1906
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: As a draft because he got hurt a bunch, like

1907
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's riding what.

1908
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 2: You're saying, but he's generation question. Yes, I think that

1909
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: the guys you know, you that you think of. I

1910
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: heard a really good comp. The Dallas guys were saying

1911
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 2: Sean Lee.

1912
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh and he also got hurt. That's yeah, I was

1913
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: being very lazy shn Lee.

1914
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: There you go. I think it was Marcus Moser. I'm

1915
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 2: not going to take credit for that, but yeah. The

1916
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: one thing, I you know, I love Drake May. Watching

1917
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: Drake May try to get away from Wilson against NC

1918
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 2: State was tough. Really, that was tough for my boy.

1919
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Speaker 1: Linebacker.

1920
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of those guys that is sidelined to sideline,

1921
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 2: can can play, can play sideline to sideline, can play

1922
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: and coverage. He's going to be the first of the ball.

1923
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: A lot you can spy quarterbacks like Drake May the

1924
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: first round talent. It's just the I'm really good tape.

1925
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. The highest linebacker I like for them and this

1926
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: would be it. I mean, you probably trade down from

1927
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: sixty eight or maybe trade up from one of three's

1928
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trotter. Yeah, Jeremiah tro Jr. Yeah, I'm not just

1929
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: saying that, but his dad is the Eagles legend.

1930
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1931
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that because it was that. He's

1932
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: He's everything I want a line said, Is.

1933
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: It that all? Like it's Marvin Harrison junior Jeremiah Trotter.

1934
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: Well, but then Jerry Rice's son too.

1935
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice's son. Yeah, that's weird.

1936
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: You could do an all family mock draft. I should

1937
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: probably do that at some point. Jeremiah Trotter is everything

1938
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: I want to linebacker. But he's big, he's mean, he's

1939
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: physically smart, he's fearless. That's the guy I want in

1940
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: the middle of my defense man. That's he's that kind

1941
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: of player, just like you just just sad, Well he is.

1942
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Eikenberg, Edwin Ulafohio, and Jackson Sermon would be the

1943
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: other linebackers.

1944
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,799
Speaker 2: I have an island, Okay, so I got different answers

1945
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Day two, and the reason why I picked both these

1946
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 2: guys is because the Patriots were at these two Pro

1947
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: Day's watching the quarterbacks. We thought Cedric Gray from UNC.

1948
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: I think that he's got a lot of cover talent,

1949
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: like a coverage line Both of these guys I think

1950
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: are more coverage linebackers. But he moved really well, like

1951
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 2: really impressive in the drills at UNC. I thought stood

1952
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 2: out to me just his movement skills. He's almost moved

1953
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 2: like a safety out there. Yeah. So Cedric Gray is one.

1954
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: You know, I was talking Cam Williams was talking at

1955
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: the draft preview party mentioned you know that they obviously

1956
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: got the quarterback with Drake May, but they also had

1957
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: a linebacker. He was talking about Cedric Gray. The other

1958
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 2: one was Omar Spates from LSU late Day three guy.

1959
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 2: He moved extremely well in the field work that he

1960
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: did at the pro day, basically like a souped up safety.

1961
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's I think probably two twenty five

1962
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 2: to thirty if that he's He moved very well. I

1963
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was like, who is this guy?

1964
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, if you want a coverage linebacker,

1965
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Luloo from Washington at the highest PFF coverage grade or

1966
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: any any linebacker in the nation last year.

1967
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So these two guys, I just think that you

1968
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: go to similar to what we were talking about with

1969
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Gabriel Murphy. Yeah, you go to the Pro days for

1970
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and all of a sudden you come away

1971
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: seeing these other guys and you think, Okay, maybe these

1972
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,839
Speaker 2: tw guys too all right, d Line.

1973
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: You enter out on to and Andre Sweat. I think

1974
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: that's a big question here.

1975
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good conversation that I wish we had

1976
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: more time for. But I think the big things with

1977
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: define Devandre Sweat is that I think for the Patriots,

1978
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 2: if you're going to practice what you're preaching, and what

1979
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: they're preaching is that they're gonna be about culture building,

1980
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 2: They're gonna be about getting the right guys in the building.

1981
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: It's not just the DWI Dan Brugler had in the

1982
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 2: in the Beast that guys were calling him a party animal,

1983
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 2: Guys were calling a you know, just not like that

1984
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 2: is in his in his background, and the DWI is

1985
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: kind of just the tip of the iceberg and was

1986
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 2: almost like a ticking time bomb that's something like this

1987
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: was going to happen. So all those things add up

1988
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: to me like you can't preach that we're going to

1989
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 2: change the culture around here. We're gonna get good character

1990
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 2: guys and then wasted a high draft pick on Devandre Sweat.

1991
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 2: It just doesn't add that.

1992
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: That's where I man, I just don't as much like

1993
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: him as a player. I don't think he's going to

1994
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: be on their board. I look at Dwayne Carter from Duke, Yeah,

1995
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: I love him for them as he's more of an

1996
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: athletic upfield defensive tackle, kind of like Christian Barmore. I

1997
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: know they have a lot of those guys, but a

1998
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: lot those guys are in contract years. Dwayne Carter uh

1999
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: is a guy I like for them. The other way,

2000
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: if they want to big nose tackle, I think it's

2001
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Justin Rogers from Auburn.

2002
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also a couple. That's the other thing is

2003
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: there's a couple of pure nose tackles that if you

2004
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 2: have the character concerns with Devandre Sweat, you don't necessarily

2005
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: need to take him, you know, Like there's some other guys.

2006
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: There's not a ton of like. But I mean, because

2007
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: you talk about the size, how many defensive tackles are

2008
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: in this draft that are over like three.

2009
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: Twenty, Well, no one's going to be three hundred and sixty.

2010
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to be three sixty.

2011
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think that there's other guys that

2012
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: can play that role that you don't necessarily if you again,

2013
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: if you have the character, the major character concerns, like

2014
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 2: it with with Sweat, which apparently everybody does. It's not

2015
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: just yeah this recent, most recent incident.

2016
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 1: Then I can tell at the combine there were only

2017
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: two other defensive tackles that were over three twenty Justin

2018
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,839
Speaker 1: Rodgers came in at six six three thirty. McKinley Jackson

2019
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: from Textay and it was not a bad player came

2020
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: in at six two three twenty six. So those would

2021
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: be if you want to nose tax.

2022
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 2: I think both of those guys could play probably like

2023
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: probably best as shades, like in the one technique in

2024
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: the gap and not necessarily playing straight up over the

2025
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 2: center like a like Sweat could.

2026
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: But how many guys do that anymore? That's such a

2027
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: rad that's my point, Like that's as close as yourn gat. Yeah,

2028
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: and that's my point, Like you're not gonna yeah, yeah,

2029
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: all right.

2030
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Uh my day two guys still Brandon Fiskey, but I

2031
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 2: don't have I don't think I'm gonna have him on

2032
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 2: my board for them because.

2033
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make any sense.

2034
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,759
Speaker 2: I watched him. I watched him at the Senior Bowl. Obviously,

2035
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: that's why he's been my guy since the Senior Bowl.

2036
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: But I watched him on film recently, and uh, he's

2037
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 2: an upfield player. Like he's a guy that needs to

2038
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: use his athleticism and his speed and his get off.

2039
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 2: If they're gonna still be we're gonna two gap, we're

2040
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 2: gonna hold the point of attack, and he's two hundred

2041
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: and ninety pounds. It's not gonna happen.

2042
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: So what about like Chris Jenkins.

2043
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: I liked Chris Jenkins a little bit more for them.

2044
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: I like Fisky Moore In terms of is gonna be

2045
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: a better player? I think Chris Jenkins. The one thing

2046
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: that I always worry about is like, who is Like

2047
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 2: the Michigan defensive line was so dominant with the scheme

2048
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, Like is he gonna

2049
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 2: be Is he gonna add anything in terms of like

2050
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: one on one pass rush ability. If you're asking him

2051
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: to just like press blocks and hold the line of scrimmage,

2052
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 2: I think he can do that easily. Is he gonna

2053
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: give you any to draft him that high? Because he's

2054
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 2: gonna go. You're gonna have to probably pick him at

2055
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: thirty four, right, is he gonna? Is he gonna be

2056
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 2: enough of a pass rusher? You know, Christian Barmore, Like

2057
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 2: Christian Barbaro is an early second round pick. If you're

2058
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: gonna draft somebody there, he should have that pass rush ability.

2059
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,560
Speaker 2: The other guy that I think is just such a

2060
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Patriot just in the way the way he plays, Yeah,

2061
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 2: is Justin Abouke from Alam just a classic three four

2062
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: defensive end for the Patriots. A really good uh you know,

2063
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: block penetrate or block presser, whole point of attack really

2064
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 2: just double team blocks. He doesn't really get moved very

2065
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 2: often to gap extraordinary like perfect fit played this role

2066
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: in Saban's defense. Come play the five technique in our

2067
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 2: defense and you would you would be just fine. Like

2068
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 2: he's not going to be a splash player, that's not

2069
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: his game. But he's gonna take on blocks and he's

2070
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: gonna do a good job of it. Yep, that's it.

2071
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Kickers, No, yes, give me one kicker. Name one kicker

2072
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: in the draft.

2073
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh, actually, well, I will say I did mock a

2074
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: kicker in the seventh round at my latest mock draft.

2075
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 2: Name the Alabama kicker record.

2076
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: Okay, what's first name?

2077
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2078
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