1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: School of humans. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Came from over there, due west towards those woods, following 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: you Slick. Tom Slick, February fourteenth, nineteen fifty eight. My 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: team and I have been out here in the Himalayas 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: for months, rarely surviving on an expedition that's nearly hijack 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: my life. Hell, it's taken everything, but we just heard it. 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: The proof. 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: To track the Ltty is an expedition of life and death, 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: mister Slick. 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 4: It's some mystery that does not want to be sogged. 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: That's why I'm here. 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 5: That's second something to the explode. 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: Slick cut the brown wire. What if I told you 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: I just cut the red one. We're gonna die Dulles 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: when chance arrives at at. 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: God, But blood pressure checked after that. 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 4: Mom, you don't have to listen to this. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 6: If it's too much. These are my father's untold stories. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I am listening. 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: This is the mostly true tale of Tom Slick, the 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: most interesting man you've never heard of. 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 4: Welcome to chapter eight. Fact verse fiction. The director John 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: Ford is credited with saying, when the legend becomes fact 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: print the legend. This podcast follows the remarkable exploits of 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: a real man who lived a legendary life. In this 26 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: bonus episode, we'll separate the facts from fiction. I'm Caroline Slaughter, 27 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: the writer and director of Tom Slick Mystery Hunter. I 28 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: spoke with Tom Slick's descendants and those who are carrying 29 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 4: on his legacy to reveal the real Tom Slick. Thomas 30 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: Slick Junior was born in Clarion, Pennsylvania, on May sixth, 31 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: nineteen sixteen. As depicted in the podcast. His father, Tom 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: Slick Senior, was known as the King of the Wildcatters 33 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: due to the large fortune he made mining the fields 34 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: of Oklahoma for oil before his death in nineteen thirty 35 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: at only forty six years old. Tom inherited millions after 36 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: his father's death and used that inheritance to fund institutes 37 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: dedicated to cutting edge scientific research, some of which still 38 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 4: exist today. Slick also funded multiple expeditions to track down 39 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: the Eddy. We'll get into all of that and more, 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: but first things first. Did Tom Slick leave behind lost 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: tapes documenting his exploits. 42 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 6: There were no tapes in the archive. I found, just 43 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 6: wonderful letters. 44 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: This is Tom Slick Junior, historian and his niece Catherine 45 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: Nixon Cook. 46 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 6: I discovered in a shed in one of his scientific institutes. 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 6: All of his letters written between nineteen forty one and 48 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 6: nineteen sixty two, the year that he died. 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: These letters served as research for the two biographies Catherine 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: wrote about her uncle, including one titled Tom Slick Mystery Hunter. 51 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: But unlike our podcast series, her books are composed of 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: only facts. 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 6: These letters of Tom Slick were deep. They talked about feelings, 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 6: they talked about new ideas. They were a real treasure trove. 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 6: There were stories of breeding the Brangus cattle. There were 56 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 6: stories about the Yetti. There were stories about corresponding with 57 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 6: Albert Schweitzer about birth control. He invented a hair dryer 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 6: that we now would think of as a hooded hair dryer. 59 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 6: He started an Institute for peace. Just really too many. 60 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 4: To me, Catherine's right. Our podcast series covers only a 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: portion of Tom Slick's unique and ambitious pursuits, and some 62 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: of those escapades, as you'll find out in this episode, 63 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: are largely dramatized, but they are based on truth. Though 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: Tom Slick played many roles in his life as an explorer, inventor, 65 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 4: and pioneer of science, the role he revered the most 66 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: was being a father. 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: My brother, tom, My, sister Patty, and I would spend 68 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: the entire summer with Dad in San Antonio. Our times 69 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: with him were really fun. 70 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 4: That's Tom Slick Junior's youngest son, Charles urschel Slick, known 71 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 4: to friends and family as Chuck. In the podcast, Tom 72 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: Slick's story is told true tapes found by his supposed 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: descendants Live and Claire Slick. Both are fictional characters I 74 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: created for the podcast, but Chuck and his two siblings 75 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: had first hand experience with Tom's as a devoted and 76 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: engaged father. 77 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: He was a really fun person and that, along with 78 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: his interests in his enthusiasm for whatever his projects were, 79 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: the fun part brought people along with him, even people 80 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: who would have said, you know, oh my gosh, the yetie, 81 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: it's crazy, but his enthusiasm was infectious. 82 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: Chuck was four or five when his parents divorced. His 83 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: mother moved them from San Antonio to New Jersey, but 84 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: his father remained very involved in his children's lives. 85 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: He took us traveling to a lot of places. We 86 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: went to Bermuda, we went to Nassau, we went to Acapulco, Disneyland. 87 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: But we didn't always go in the normal fashion. One 88 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: time when we were driving to the Grand Canyon, he 89 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: bought Volkswagen bus from his step brother Charles Erschel, but 90 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: it didn't have air conditioning because it's nineteen fifty eight 91 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: or nine. But that didn't slow him down. He got 92 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: some of the engineers from Southwest Research Institute, one of 93 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: his institutions, to come to his house and put a 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: room air conditioner on the roof and pipe it into 95 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: the bus, and we were just as cool as we 96 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: could be. 97 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: It seems like he had a childlike spirit. 98 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. He was very interested in just all 99 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: sorts of things. His mind was kind of wide open 100 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: and very optimistic. He sort of thought, well, anything can happen. 101 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: He thought nothing was impossible. 102 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: It was this spirit that motivated his ambitious pursuits and 103 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: just one of the many truths Slick bestowed on his children. 104 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: He was big on aphorisms. Whenever we would complain about something, 105 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: which was often, he would say, you have to be adaptable, 106 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: or you'll become extinct like the dinosaurs. And when we 107 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: were scared to do something like dive off the diving board, 108 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: he would say, a coward dies a thousand deaths, A 109 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: brave man only one. 110 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: You may recognize this aphorism from episode four, when Owen 111 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 4: Wilson's Slick tells the character Bud about his drive to 112 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 4: find the Eddy. According to Chuck, it was an adage 113 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: instilled in his father and childhood. 114 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: The story was that they were out in the woods 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: and there was some like a log bridge that you 116 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: had to cross to get over the creek, and he 117 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: was scared to do it, and either his father or 118 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: his grandfather said that to him, a coward dies a 119 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: thousand deaths, a brave man only one. And of course 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: later on in his life, with all the things that 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: he did, including in places like Brazil and the Amazon 122 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and the Himalayas, it certainly he took it to heart. 123 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 4: This was one of the many things young Tom garnered 124 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: from a pivotal figure in his life. Catherine Nixon Cook explains. 125 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 6: Tom Slick was greatly influenced by his dad and did 126 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 6: inherit that spirit of adventure and curiosity. 127 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: While in the podcast we depict Slick Junior as having 128 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: a competitive urge to escape living under the shadow of 129 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: his father, that was an embellishment I set up to 130 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: motivate him. According to Catherine, Tom respected and adored his father, 131 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: and even though that contentious dynamic is dramatized in the series, 132 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: there was a truth Slick Junior touched on in his 133 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: speech to Bud that his father's fascinations inspired his own. 134 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 6: Tom Slick Senior was away a lot looking for oil, 135 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 6: but when he was home he was very tender, and 136 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 6: his three children adored him. He read them stories. I 137 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,359 Speaker 6: love to talk about the Man of snow Lome Denege 138 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 6: in the mountains, which started Tom's curiosity about the snow man, 139 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 6: which would become the Yeti. 140 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 4: So Slick Junior did, in fact, first hear about the 141 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: Yeti from his father, a cryptozoological mystery that he would 142 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: later pursue on multiple expeditions to the Himalayas. But this 143 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 4: was just one of the influences his father had on him. 144 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: The stories about Tom Slick Senior from episode one are 145 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: largely true. I'll fill you in on that and more 146 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: after the break. 147 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 7: My father used to tell me a coward dies a 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 7: thousand discs, brave man only one, and he lived by 149 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 7: that motto, which made him a legend. 150 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: Millie Kerr is an historian of Tom Slick Sor. She's 151 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 4: also his great great niece, making her Tom Slick Junior's 152 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: great niece. Millie says Tom Slick Sr. Was indeed the 153 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: first lucky Tom Slick. 154 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: What I love about Tom Slick Sr. Was that he 155 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: really did make his own luck. His brother and father 156 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 3: worked in the oil industry, but in sort of low 157 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: level positions, and he was just determined to make it 158 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: in this field. So he moved around a bit, and 159 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: then he moved down to Oklahoma to find the big one, 160 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: as he put it. And at that point he had 161 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: actually been very unlucky, and he had earned the nickname 162 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: dry hole Slick because everywhere he drilled it came up dry. 163 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: But then he happened to discover the Cushing oil field, 164 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: which was one of the most important and large oil 165 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,359 Speaker 3: fields in the US, and he essentially became an overnight millionaire. 166 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: When Tom Slick Senior died, his estate was valued at 167 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: somewhere between seventy five and one hundred million dollars in 168 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: today's terms, that's between six hundred and fifty nine million 169 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 4: and one point eight billion. He was reputed to be 170 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: the wealthiest independent oil man in the world. 171 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: And he ultimately became extremely successful. After a period of 172 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: very bad luck, where a lot of people would have 173 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: just thrown in the towel and said this is not working. 174 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: But he was just determined to push on and find 175 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: that big one. So his legacy was vast, and he 176 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: really was a true wildcatter in that he was operating 177 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: on his own and looking for his own luck and 178 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: making it. 179 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Slick Senior died young, at only forty six years old. 180 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: Tom Slick Junior was just fourteen at the time. Losing 181 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 4: your father is hard enough, but there were other consequences 182 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: of his death on the Slick family too. 183 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: Tom Slick sor hated publicity, hated the press, only gave 184 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: one interview, I believe in his entire career, and part 185 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: of that was his concern about how his wealth and 186 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: or his children's wealth might impact the family in the future. 187 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: But when he died, he couldn't control the fact that 188 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: his death was widely reported in the papers, and a 189 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: lot of those articles referenced his net worth. And then 190 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: several years later, when his widow, Bernice, married Charles Erschel, 191 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: they tried to keep their wedding completely private, but it 192 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: got picked up in the press and so the public 193 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: and criminals like machine Gun Kelly discovered the immense wealth 194 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: of this family, and that made the surviving family members 195 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: really vulnerable because at the time, kidnapping became sort of 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: the new trend in criminal activity. After the end of Prohibition. 197 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: Criminals who had been bootlegging were trying to figure out 198 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: new ways to make money, and so they began kidnapping 199 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: wealthy individuals for ransom, and Machine Gun Kelly and his 200 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: wife Catherine decided to kidnap a family member. 201 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: That's right, machine Gun Kelly, not the rapper, but the 202 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: infamous bank robber, really did kidnaps like junior stepfather Charles Erschel. 203 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: According to Millie, that target was originally supposed to be 204 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: Tom's sister Betty. 205 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: Apparently they thought for quite a while about kidnapping my grandmother, 206 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: who I believe was about fifteen at the time, But 207 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: in the end, when machine Gun Kelly and his accomplice 208 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: came to the family home in Oklahoma City, they took 209 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: my step great grandfather Charles Erschel, and this ended up 210 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: being one of the most highly publicized notable kidnappings in 211 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: American history. 212 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: In episode two, Tom Slick Junior figures out from a 213 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 4: ransom note where Charles Erschel is being held hostage, but 214 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: that didn't really happen. First of all, at the times, 215 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: like Junior was in boarding school at Exeter, so he 216 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: didn't face off with machine Gun Kelly as I depicted 217 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 4: in the podcast. And second of all, my. 218 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: Great grandmother Bernice paid the ransom, and at that time 219 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: it was the highest kidnapping ransom that had ever been paid, 220 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: and because of that, Charles Erschel was released by the crimine. 221 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: But there is a really remarkable element of this story 222 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: that is true. While kidnapped, Charles Erschuel did keep track 223 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: of the plane routes, and after he was released, Ursul 224 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: provided that and other information to authorities in order to 225 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: help track down Machine Gun Kelly's location. 226 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: While he was held hostage, he noted everything he could, 227 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: including the times of the day when planes would fly overhead. 228 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: He just used his bodyclock to estimate what time that was. 229 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: He also worked out where approximately the kidnappers had taken him, 230 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: just based on things like sounds and smells and how 231 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: long they'd been on one road before they turned and 232 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: he essentially gave this investigation over to j Edgar Hoover 233 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: on a silver platter. 234 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: In the podcast, this occurs in the late thirties, not 235 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: long before World War Two, but Charles Ersul's kidnapping actually 236 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: happened earlier, in nineteen thirty three. After the Lindberg ab 237 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: kidnapping in nineteen thirty two, which was a case the 238 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: FBI flubbed, President Herbert Hoover needed a win, so he 239 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: was determined to track down Machine Gun Kelly and his accomplices, which, 240 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: with Charles Urschel's help, he did. 241 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 8: So. 242 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: It was Ursul, not Tom Slick, who was by their 243 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: side when the FBI rated Machine Gun Kelly's farm Don't 244 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: You gam It, Don't You, and after a highly publicized trial, 245 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: Kelly was imprisoned in Alcatraz. For the show, we moved 246 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: the kidnapping back a couple of years so that our 247 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: hero Tom Slick would be old enough to assist the 248 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: FBI in tracking down his stepfather. This also works so 249 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 4: that his Road to Damascus moment would land right before 250 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: World War Two, when Alan Dulles, who at the time 251 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: was an OSS secret agent, could theoretically recruit Slick for 252 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: a more substantial mission. 253 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 6: But in real life, Allan dllis is an interesting character 254 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 6: to place in the podcast, but the relationship is fictional. 255 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 6: He was old enough to be Tom's father, and he 256 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 6: went to Princeton. 257 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: Tom Slick went to Yale, which, as Catherine points out. 258 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 6: Yale was a big recruiting ground, first for the OSS 259 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 6: and then for the CIA. So that connection, that link, 260 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 6: that possibility is in the true Tom Slick story. 261 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: So most of you probably know about Yale's notorious secret 262 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 4: society Skull and Bones, which was prime recruitment for the OSS, 263 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: which became the CIA, and there is an air of 264 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: mystery about Tom Slick's potential involvement with the society when 265 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: he went to school there. So while we don't know 266 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 4: that Dulles and Tom Slick ever knew each other, the 267 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 4: idea that our hero might have cross paths with the 268 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: longest serving director of the CIA could have happened later. 269 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: As the threat of World War II loomed. In nineteen 270 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 4: forty one, Tom Slick did volunteer for naval duty, but 271 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 4: was disqualified due to poor eyesight. So, as was depicted 272 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 4: in the podcast, Tom Slick was sent to Santiago, Chili 273 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 4: by the War Production Board. 274 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 6: When Tom Slick was working as a dollar a year 275 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 6: man at the beginning of World War Two, he was 276 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 6: mysteriously posted to South America. 277 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 4: At the time, a Nazi spirring was operating in Chile, 278 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: and there was in fact a German mission to bomb 279 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: the Panama Canal called Operation Pelican. When I found out 280 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 4: that Tom Slick was in Chile at the same time 281 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: that this operation was underway, I connected the two. 282 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just pulled up declassified files released in twenty seventeen. 283 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: They're all about a Nazi spiring headquartered in Chile. Nazi 284 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: spiring headquartered in Chili, and Dad was there, yep. 285 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: But as far as we know, Tom Slick had no 286 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 4: involvement in sabotaging the Nazis diabolical plan. That said, government 287 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: files about Nazi activity in South America during World War 288 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: II are now being to classify, so who knows what 289 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 4: might turn up about Tom Slick Junior. 290 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 6: There were rumors within the family and with close friends 291 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 6: who knew him, that perhaps Tom Slick was involved in 292 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: espionage during the war. 293 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: In the podcast in Awestruck, Claire played by Sissy Spask, 294 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 4: finally remembers her father laughing off these accusations. 295 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 6: I was always a rumored that he was some sort 296 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 6: of secret agent, but he just laugh at all. 297 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 8: Well, now you know. 298 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 6: And indeed his reaction was to just laugh it off, 299 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: and none of us ever really knew the truth. 300 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: Along with this fact, there is another one I wove 301 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 4: into episode two in. 302 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 6: The Panama Canal Caper, Tom says, when chance arrives act 303 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 6: that's a very Tom Slick saying something his father taught 304 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 6: him when he was a little boy, and certainly he 305 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 6: would have said it over and over again to whomever 306 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 6: he was working with in South America Dallas. 307 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 7: Chance arrived at. 308 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 4: Tom Slick's fortitude is what led me to connect him 309 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: to another clandestine mission. His assistance in helping the mysterious 310 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: and mystical Lama X escape Tibet. 311 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 6: We all could guess that Lama X is loosely based 312 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 6: on the Dali Lama. There are very interesting stories about 313 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 6: how the Dalai Lama was rescued from Tibet. When the 314 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 6: Chinese were moving in in nineteen I want to say 315 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 6: nineteen fifty seven, might have been nineteen fifty eight. It 316 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 6: was the same time that Tom Slick was on expedition in. 317 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 4: Nepal, one of his Yetti Hunt expeditions. 318 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 6: So there were always very remote rumors that perhaps he 319 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 6: and Peter Burn helped with that. 320 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 4: Remember in episode six when Jimmy Stewart's character meets Bud 321 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: at the airport and almost calls him Peter. That's because 322 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 4: even though Bud is completely made up, I was inspired 323 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: by the real man Peter Byrne, who is one of 324 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 4: Tom Slick's lead guides on his yetty expeditions. The Bud 325 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: character is a composite of a handful of Slick's expedition 326 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 4: team members, but Burne's tenacity and experience with big game 327 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: hunting was a significant influence on Bud's character. Additionally, the 328 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: Chilean spy Dominique pure fiction, but who doesn't love writing 329 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 4: a fearless and savvy female operative. 330 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: Yes, that's how I get my secrets. 331 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: Catherine is all in for that. 332 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 6: She did not exist that I know of, But every 333 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 6: story needs romance. 334 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: So Tom Slick's involvement and the Dalai Lama's escape from 335 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 4: Debet is rumored. There's no solid proof, but it's not 336 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 4: all made up. Tom Slick did really meet the Dali Lama, 337 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: and there's one scene in the podcast about that interaction 338 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: that's true. Katherine Nixon Cook explains. 339 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 6: In the podcast, Tom Slick asks the if he can 340 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 6: have a crash course in enlightenment, and in fact, he 341 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: really did ask the Dali Lama that very question. When 342 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 6: he met the Dali Lama in nineteen fifty seven, Tom 343 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 6: was very interested in cosmic consciousness, something that would later 344 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 6: translate to his institute, the Mind Science Foundation. He asked 345 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 6: his Holiness if he could attain cosmic consciousness. The Dali 346 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 6: Lama replied, well, yes, that's possible. How long do you have? 347 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: Tom Slick replied, I've got one week. 348 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: Tom Slick might have had limited time due to an 349 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: expedition that, unlike the CIA missions, was quite true. His 350 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 4: hunt for the yetty Slick launched multiple Yetti expeditions in 351 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: the Himalayas throughout the nineteen fifties. His fascination with cryptozoology, 352 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: which is known as the science of hidden animals, is 353 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 4: well documented and started as early as his college years, 354 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: when he per just a hote, allegedly a cross between 355 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: a hog and a goat. He didn't crossbreed the animal himself, 356 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: but tracked it down after reading about it and Ripley's 357 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: Believe It or Not and Believe It or Not. He 358 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: did actually name it Sweet William. This was followed by 359 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 4: his real hunt for the Lognus monster in nineteen thirty seven, 360 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: an adventure he embarked on with his fraternity brothers during 361 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: a summer break from Yale. According to Catherine Nixon Cook, 362 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 4: unlike what we depicted in the podcast, Slick took this 363 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 4: expedition very seriously, and though he didn't find NeSSI on 364 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: this trip, he did discover that science and fun can coexist. 365 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 4: In fact, if you visit Tomslick Park in San Antonio, Texas, 366 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: there's a metal sculpture of NeSSI submerged in the park's lake, 367 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: another thrilling adventure that adds to the legend of Tom 368 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: Slick Junior. 369 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 7: My first fling with crypto's zoology. I didn't even get 370 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 7: to first base. 371 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: Look, it's important to note that at the time, cryptozoology 372 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 4: was thought of very differently than it is today. Chuck 373 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 4: Slick explains. 374 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: If you think about it in the nineteen fifties, in 375 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: a sort of pre GPS and Google Earth world, that 376 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: it might perfectly been reasonable that some creature like the 377 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeti could exist in a place like the Himalayas, which 378 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: was almost completely undiscovered by Western scientists and geographers, and 379 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: there was sort of the theory that it was possible 380 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: that the Yeti was some sort of a missing link 381 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: in the evolutionary chain between apes and men, and that 382 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: would have been quite a scientific find. 383 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 4: So, as we make clear in the podcast, Slick's interest 384 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: in the Yetti was grounded in science and because of 385 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: a handful of cryptozoological discoveries made in the early twentieth century. 386 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: Slick wasn't the only one to mount to hunt in 387 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: the Himalayas. Sir Edmund Hillary, most widely known as the 388 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: first Western explorer to climb Everest, led an expedition in 389 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 4: search of the Yeti with Sherpa mountaineer tin Zang Norgay 390 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: around nineteen sixty one, but Slick pioneered the quest for 391 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 4: the legendary creature. 392 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 6: Before that, Tom Slick went on three different Yetti hunts 393 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 6: in the nineteen fifties. 394 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 4: Catherine Nixon Cook covers the specifics of each of these 395 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: expeditions in her book In Search of Tom Slick, and 396 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: it's thanks to Catherine's research that I slipped another fact 397 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: into the podcast. Tom Slick did meet the Maharaja of 398 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: Baroda before heading out on his first expedition. 399 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 7: My Roger listen, I'm not hunting the Yeti to kill it. 400 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 7: I'm a man of science. 401 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 8: But those in your rent don't believe what they can see. 402 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, some don't, but I'm not one of them. 403 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 7: Science is about exploring the unknown. 404 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: And though Slick did in real life tell the Maharaja 405 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: about his quote snowman hunt, the Maharazon never warned him 406 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: about tracking down the Yetti, so Slick dove in full force. 407 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 6: With true adventuresome spirit. He lined up all kinds of 408 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 6: things to help the hunt, including tracking dogs, which did 409 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 6: not work. They wore special boots in the snow. He 410 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 6: had the idea of a plane that would hover and 411 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 6: look for a Yetti in the hills. He added all 412 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 6: sorts of scientific components to these hunts. He took along 413 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 6: the Burn brothers, Peter Burn being one of those who 414 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 6: were known for their hunting and tracking abilities, and was 415 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 6: sure that he had found evidence of the Yeti several times. 416 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: Those Slick never found the Yetti. There were two discoveries 417 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: he made on these tracks. 418 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 6: There's the story of the Yeti footprint, which came back 419 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 6: to Texas as a plaster cast and sat on his 420 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 6: dining room table. When I was a little. 421 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: Girl, Catherine's biography of Slick traces his discovery of the 422 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: footprint in the snow at about ten thousand feet in 423 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: a mountain range bordering the Rune Valley in the Himalayas. 424 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 4: It was approximately thirteen inches long and was similar to 425 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 4: tracks Peter Byrne found at eight thousand feet, which were 426 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: the five toed footprints of a bipedal creature, one that 427 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: walks on two legs, not four, of considerable weight. 428 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 5: Holy Holy how released this? 429 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: This footprint must be around thirteen inches long five inches wide. 430 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 4: Yes, we posted some of the photos from the expeditions, 431 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: including the footprint and other historical documents, on the School 432 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 4: of Humans Instagram page, so go check it out. Chuck 433 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: Slick was a very young boy when his father embarked 434 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 4: on his Yetty expeditions, but he did get a kick 435 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 4: out of these initial discoveries. 436 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Oh did give him plaster casts of Yetty footprints, which 437 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: was a great thing to talk about at cocktail parties. Somewhere. 438 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: It's just disappeared over the years. 439 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: Slick's next discovery will not be a new one to listeners, 440 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: even if it could have been ripped from a movie script. 441 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 6: The Jimmy Stewart smuggling story in the podcast is mostly 442 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 6: true and it sounds totally made up. Tom Slick did 443 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 6: meet during his life all sorts of fascinating people, some 444 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 6: of them movie stars like Jimmy Stewart. 445 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 4: According to Catherine and a handful of sources, Jimmy Stewart 446 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 4: did in fact smuggle a Yetti appendage from Calcutta to 447 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 4: London in nineteen fifty eight. Catherine shares details there. 448 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 6: Were rumors that a Yetti hand was in a monastery 449 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 6: high in the mountains of Nepal. If this was true, 450 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 6: it could help prove the existence of the Yetti. Tom 451 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 6: Slick asked one of his expedition members ud in the podcast, 452 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 6: Peter Byrne in real life, to go to the monastery 453 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 6: and acquire just the thumb of the hand. That is 454 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 6: what was needed for the scientific study, since it would 455 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 6: be an opposable thumb if indeed it was a primate. 456 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 6: Peter Burn did a very delicate operation of removing the 457 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 6: thumb and sewing in its place a human thumb that 458 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 6: he had brought with him on the expedition. It was 459 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 6: not a paw but a thumb, and instead of going 460 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 6: through glorias Stewart's Laingerie. 461 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: After fondling your unmentionables. 462 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 6: I do hope the creature's fingers are still intact. Although 463 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 6: I love that story. It was actually in a film 464 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 6: canister in the days when we carried little canisters for 465 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 6: our film, and it got to London where it mysteriously 466 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 6: disappeared from the lab a few years later. 467 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: So that whole daring museum heist when Slick steals the 468 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 4: Yetti Paul before it's exposed to the masses. Well, I 469 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 4: wish I could say that it's the reason the Yeddi 470 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: appendage vanished in real life. But that caper was pure fiction. 471 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: That said, the Yeti thumb did disappear, so maybe the 472 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: truth is stranger than fiction. 473 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 6: It's another unsolved Tom Slick mystery. 474 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 4: Tom Slick took his Yeti expeditions very seriously, as was 475 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 4: noted in an editorial in the San Antonio Express in 476 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six, which is featured in Catherine Nixon Cooke's 477 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 4: biography In Search of Tom Slick. In the article, he 478 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: told a friend about his belief in the Yetti. When 479 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: his friend expressed doubt, Slick said he would donate one 480 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 4: thousand dollars to his friend's favorite charity if the Yetti 481 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: was not found before the end of nineteen fifty eight. 482 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 4: Then followed that up in the article by saying, quote, 483 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 4: before any mistaken conclusions are drawn, let me emphasize that 484 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 4: this does not signifying that I take the matter lightly 485 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: far from it. Indeed, it indicates how nearly positive I 486 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 4: am in my own mind that the Yeti exists as 487 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: a humanoid creature. The search for it is surely a 488 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 4: scientific project of major importance, which could add immeasurably to 489 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 4: our knowledge of mankind. 490 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 7: As a man of science, I will not hunt down 491 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 7: some fantasy, but I will expose one of the greatest 492 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 7: mysteries of our time. 493 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: Those Slick's dedication to this cryptozoological pursuit was real. Chuck 494 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: Slick wants to make one thing very clear. 495 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: He was never obsessed with the Yeti. It was just 496 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: one more thing, was the next challenge that he was 497 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: looking into. I'm sure he spent plenty of money on it. 498 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: I know he did, but it never would come anywhere 499 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: near depleting his assets. He never almost bankrupted him like 500 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: in the Podcas. 501 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 4: But it sure makes for higher stakes in the show. 502 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 4: While his YETI expeditions might be Slick's most entertaining pursuit. 503 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 4: They can't compare to the real story of Slick's impact 504 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: on science, innovation, and the world. We'll hear all about 505 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: Tom Slick's legacy after the break in the nineteen forties, 506 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 4: when Tom Slick was a young man, he used his 507 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 4: inheritance to establish scientific research institutes, and they're some of 508 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 4: his most enduring and impactful accomplishments. 509 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: We were instrumental in bringing the Pfizer vaccine to the 510 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 5: FDA for clinical trials. 511 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 4: This is Larry Schlessinger, President and CEO of Texas Biomedical 512 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 4: Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas. He's speaking about the 513 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: COVID nineteen vaccine, which we're all familiar with. Texas BioMed 514 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: was on the front lines of bringing the vaccine to 515 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 4: the masses. 516 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 5: Estimated to have saved over twenty million lives as a 517 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 5: result of having those vaccines come so quickly. 518 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: Texas BioMed was established in nineteen forty one, when Tom 519 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 4: was only twenty five years old. It is one of 520 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 4: the five institutes Tom Slick Junior founded and one of 521 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 4: the three that are still thriving today. 522 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 5: Texas biomgal Research Institute has a mission, and that's protecting you, 523 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 5: your families, and the global community from the threat of 524 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 5: infectious diseases. You know, we say that cancer affects one 525 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 5: in three people, which is an astounding number, but I 526 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 5: like to say infection affects one in one. No one 527 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 5: escapes and infection in their lifetime. 528 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: Texas BioMed has been at the forefront of combating infectious diseases, which, 529 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 4: along with advancing the first COVID nineteen vaccine, also resulted 530 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 4: in the first bullet treatment, the first hepatitis C therapy, 531 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 4: and extensive research around HIVAS, along with many more developments, 532 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 4: most notably the high frequency neonatal ventilator, which provides breathing 533 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: support for infants and children who are too ill or 534 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 4: premature to breathe on their own. And as we depict 535 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 4: in the podcast, Tom Slick did believe that non human 536 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 4: primates could serve as a prime model of human health. 537 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 4: That vision led to pioneering advancements for humanity in both 538 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: science and medicine. Since then, Texas BioMed has enhanced their 539 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: National Primate Center, which was originated by Tom Slick. As 540 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 4: committed as the institute is to fighting infectious diseases that 541 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 4: afflict us today. They also have an eye on the 542 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 4: future and are training the next generation by providing STEM education, 543 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: which in the past year around ten thousand youth have 544 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 4: engaged in. 545 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 5: Tom had a guiding principle in his life, and that 546 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 5: god in principle was that the welfare of humankind is 547 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: advanced through scientific research. He wasn't a scientist himself, but 548 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 5: he definitely had this spirit of one and as a 549 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 5: result of what he created in the nineteen forties, he 550 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 5: left an enduring legacy. 551 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 4: Schlessinger explains where that legacy originated. 552 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 5: Tom Slick Junior was a twenty five year old young 553 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 5: man who had a vision, and that vision was that 554 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 5: the advance of a human health would occur through biomedical 555 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 5: research and in vision San Antonio as a city of science. 556 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 4: And this in and of itself was both innovative and risky. 557 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 5: In nineteen forty one, in the wild west of Texas, 558 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 5: where there was no graduate education, no medical school, he 559 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 5: thought about building these nonprofit research institutes that would focus 560 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 5: on science, and so with inheritance he he purchased sixteen 561 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 5: hundred acres of a cattle ranch in San Antonio, Texas, 562 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 5: and he started to build a science infrastructure on that campus, 563 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 5: and he titled the portion of the land that he 564 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 5: purchased through inheritance the SR ranch EESSAR, which is phonetic 565 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 5: for S and R for scientific Research. And in the 566 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 5: nineteen fifties he developed what is our current site of 567 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 5: Texas Biomedical Research Institute. What is fascinating about this is 568 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 5: that in his twenties, Tom Slip Junior traveled the world 569 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 5: and he had this notion about innovation and science. He's 570 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 5: been called a true visionary, But really what compels me, 571 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 5: since I meet a lot of so called visionaries in 572 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 5: my career, is that he actually executed on that vision, 573 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 5: forming these biomedical research institutes. 574 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 4: Tom Slick's dream was to establish a city of science 575 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 4: in San Antonio, and he did it mid twenties when 576 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 4: most of us are still figuring out what we want 577 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 4: to do with our lives. The names of the institutes 578 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 4: may have changed over the years, but Slick's intention has 579 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 4: endured to implement the machinery of science towards the advancement 580 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 4: of humanity. 581 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 8: Well, at any given day, we typically have about four 582 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 8: thousand active research projects. 583 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 4: That's Adam Hamilton, the President and CEO of Southwest Research Institute, which, 584 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 4: as I'm sure you've guessed, is another one of Tom 585 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 4: Slick's prosperous scientific research institutes. 586 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 8: We're also able to focus our research on topics that 587 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 8: range from anything deep sea to deep space and practically 588 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 8: everywhere in between. Selfist Research Institute itself is one of 589 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 8: the largest applied R and D organizations that's independent and 590 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 8: nonprofit in the country and also in the world. 591 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 4: Hamilton ran down an extensive list of what the institute 592 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 4: is working on. 593 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: Now. 594 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 4: There's the Lucy Mission, which, on an expedition to the 595 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 4: Trojan asteroids in Jupiter's orbit, made the accidental discovery of 596 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 4: an asteroid that had its own moon. They're also working 597 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 4: on a multimillion dollar project with the Department of Energy 598 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 4: on modifying traditional combustion engines so that they run on 599 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 4: one hundred percent hydrogen. Not a small feed, but I 600 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 4: don't think Tom Slick would expect anything less from one 601 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 4: of his institutes. Tom Slick Junior was serious about his 602 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 4: scientific pursuits, but as Chuck mentioned earlier, he also knew 603 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 4: how to have fun, and, as Hamilton notes, the Southwest 604 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 4: Research Institute mixes that element of playfulness into their culture. 605 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 8: So we have a Yeti in our newsletter that's hidden 606 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 8: every month, and staff members have the opportunity to win 607 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 8: a prize if they're the first one to find the Yeti. 608 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 8: And we also have large yettis that we hide at 609 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 8: various places on our fifteen hundred campus. But we also 610 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 8: then celebrate excellence. We have Yety awards here on campus 611 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 8: for safety and for other things like that. It's a 612 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 8: part of our culture that I hope represents Tom Slick 613 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 8: in a very positive light. 614 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 4: Slicks Institutes are keeping his spirit alive in more ways 615 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 4: than one. 616 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 6: I've called him a pioneer of the possible. 617 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 4: In addition to being his biographer, Catherine Nixon Cook served 618 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 4: as the president of Tom Slick's Mind Science Foundation. 619 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 6: When he was in the Himalayas, he met lamas who 620 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 6: seemed to defy Western science. He saw monks levitate, and 621 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 6: by that it's not the levitating you see in movies. 622 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 6: It was more of a jumping just a few feet up, 623 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 6: but nonetheless quite humanly impossible for you or me to do. 624 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 6: He saw them raise and lower body temperature at will 625 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 6: or simply through meditation. Saw feats of psychokinesis where things 626 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 6: seemed to move without explanation, and came back and started 627 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 6: his last institute, the Mind Science Foundation, to study these phenomena, 628 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 6: wanting to study them though from a scientific. 629 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 4: Point of view. Though Tom Slick did study these mystical, 630 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 4: unexplained occurrences. That is Mind Science Foundation Today. It's primary 631 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 4: focus is on neuroscience research, using the technology and tools 632 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 4: available to us in the twenty first century to explore 633 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 4: the vast potential of the human mind. 634 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 6: Although the Mind Science Foundation focuses now on the neurosciences, 635 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 6: not long ago it still studied a few of these 636 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 6: mysteries that fascinated Tom Slick. Back in the nineteen nineties, 637 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 6: we took a trip to Indonesia to study a keygong 638 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 6: healer named Dynamo Jack. I personally saw him light a 639 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 6: fire with his hands and pass a chopstick through a 640 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 6: solid wooden table. We took the wooden table back to 641 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 6: another of Tom's institute's, Southwest Research Institute to see if 642 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 6: the table had been tampered with. It had not. The 643 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 6: scientists there said, we simply don't understand energy. 644 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 4: Catherine told me the story when I was writing the 645 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 4: scripts and the enigma surrounding Dynamo Jack and his mystifying 646 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 4: capabilities informed the character of Lama as. 647 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: Lightning. 648 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 2: Wow, this is unbelievable lighting when there's nothing around. 649 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 4: But from what I've learned about Tom Slick, examining phenomenas 650 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 4: like Dynamo Jack was less about exploring the mystery for 651 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 4: him and more about a search for scientific understanding. 652 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 6: He saw these as examples of human potential. Tom Slick 653 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 6: believed that the human mind is the greatest unexplored frontier 654 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 6: of all. 655 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 4: For most of Tom Slick's life, the world was his 656 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 4: frontier and science was his compass. And even after everything 657 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 4: we've covered in this episode, there's still more we only 658 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 4: touched on, like how he developed a new breed of 659 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 4: cattle by crossbreeding the heat and insect resistant Indian Brama 660 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 4: with the tastier Scottish Angus. Obviously, he named it the 661 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 4: Brangus cattle. Or the construction method he innovated called the 662 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 4: Lifts Lab, which was utilized to build Trinity University in 663 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 4: San Antonio, a college he had a significant role in establishing. 664 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 4: Tom Slick also had a great interest in understanding women's 665 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 4: reproductive medicine and did pioneering research toward the creation of 666 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 4: birth control and IVF, and in the nineteen fifties he 667 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 4: launched an expedition to find a diamond pipeline in the 668 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 4: Amazon and studied alternative medicine in the use of medicinal 669 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 4: plants with shamanic healers oh An. Slick also had an 670 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 4: extensive art collection which included Picasso, Joe O'Keefe and other 671 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 4: prolific modern artists, which was an art form ahead of 672 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 4: its time. Like the collector Tom Slick himself and we 673 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 4: can't forget Slicks hunt for Bigfoot. He partnered on this 674 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 4: expedition with his Yeti Hunt collaborator Peter burn and journeyed 675 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 4: out west and through British Columbia. Burne pursued this mystery 676 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 4: until his death in twenty twenty three. But Tom Slick's 677 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 4: last big pursuit was so extraordinary it's hard to imagine. 678 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 4: Here's Chuck Slick again. 679 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 1: He became very interested in what was probably the biggest 680 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: challenge he could ever take on world peace in the 681 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: time of the Cold War. He wrote two books about it. 682 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: One was called The Last Great Hope and the other 683 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: one was called Permanent Peace, and he spent a lot 684 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: of time and money creating these peace conferences. They would 685 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: have these experts in foreign affairs and diplomats and so 686 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: on would come together and talk about how we could 687 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: achieve world peace. And when he died, he left most 688 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: of his estate to the foundations, but there was a 689 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: proviso in his will that said some of his assets 690 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: were supposed to be used quote to achieve world peace. 691 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 4: Tom Slick Junior died on October sixth, nineteen sixty two, 692 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 4: on his way back from a pheasant hunt in Calgary, Canada. 693 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 4: He was a passenger and a Beachcraft Bananza thirty five 694 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 4: that crashed in the mountains of Montana. Catherine Nixon Cook's 695 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 4: book explains that the plane appeared to have gone to 696 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 4: pieces in flight, possibly as a result of an explosion 697 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 4: or lightning. Wreckage was strewn over a three quarter mile area, 698 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 4: and Slick's body was found nearly a mile from the 699 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 4: center of the crash site. Like his father, Tom Slick 700 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 4: was only forty six when he died, but even death 701 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 4: couldn't stop the great Tom Slick Junior. 702 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 9: Catherine, you help me come up with this idea of 703 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 9: Slick living on another plane and being able to communicate 704 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 9: with his granddaughter live in the podcast, who is a 705 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 9: fictional character. But would the real Slick have believed this 706 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 9: was possible working from the other side. 707 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 6: He did say often to people that he thought he 708 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 6: might find a way to work from the other side 709 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 6: those very words. But remember he was a man who 710 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 6: believed in science and the scientific method. So in the podcast, 711 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 6: Tom Slick says to his granddaughter. 712 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 7: Does believing in something make it real? 713 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 4: I think it does. 714 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 6: Do you live in real life? Tom Slick did not 715 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 6: think so. He was an optimist. He was a possibilist. 716 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 6: He believed in possibilities and potential, but he had to 717 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 6: see the scientific proof to know something was real. 718 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 4: Though Slick valued science and fact over a blind belief, 719 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 4: he still pursued the unknown, hunting down answers to unexplainable mysteries, 720 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 4: and even after everything we now know about Tom Slick, 721 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 4: he still remains a bit of a mystery himself. 722 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 6: When the bio containment lab opened at Texas BioMed more 723 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 6: than a decade ago, there was silence as his sister, 724 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 6: who was still alive, cut the red ribbon to the 725 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 6: door of the bio containment lab. All of a sudden 726 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 6: in the silence as the audience sat there, you heard 727 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 6: a low hum of an airplane. Everyone looked up in 728 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 6: the sky and there, flying low and slow was a 729 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,400 Speaker 6: vintage Beechcraft Bonanza, Tom Slick's type of plane, and I 730 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,280 Speaker 6: personally thought he was there celebrating the legacy of science 731 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 6: that he saw living on. 732 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 4: Thank you for listening to Tom Slick Mystery Hunter, a 733 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 4: podcast about the most interesting man you've now heard of, 734 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 4: A real man who lived a legendary life. 735 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it really happened, but that's what 736 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: they say. What a tale, that's right. 737 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 4: This final episode of Tom Slick Mystery Hunter fact Verse 738 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 4: Fiction was written and hosted by Me Caroline Slaughter, with 739 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 4: production assistance from Amelia Brock, audio and score assembly by 740 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 4: Noah Kamer. Were grateful to our guests for their perspectives, 741 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 4: Charles Chuck, Slick, Catherine Nixon, Cook, Billy Kerr, Larry Schlessinger, 742 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 4: and Adam Hamilton. Executive producers for the series include Owen Wilson, 743 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 4: Sissy Spasic, Skuyler Fisk, Jeb Stewart, Brian Lavin, Elsie Crowley, 744 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 4: Brandon Barr, Virginia Prescott, and Me Caroline slaughter,