1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and seventy five, 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: which is airing in early December of twenty twenty to 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 1: Today's episode is going to be a gift guide. We're 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: going to be talking about some of our favorite Christmas 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: and Hanakah presents for people who are celebrating these holidays 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: this winter, or who give gifts in general. Maybe you 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: all have December birthdays like I do and are looking 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: for gift options. So Sarah, what is your favorite gift 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: you have gotten? Well as a child, My most memorable 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: and favorite gift was the most like late eighties item ever. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: It was a dual cassette boombox, and the best part 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: about it, I think it was Panasonic. It was white 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: with like pink and aqua accents like on each side. 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: It was like, I wish I still had it. I 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: think my dad actually kept it for quite a long 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: time because he said the radio was very good. Anyway, 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: that was my favorite kid gift, although a contender was 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: also the original Nintendo entertainment system that I received in 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: approximately maybe nineteen eighty seven or eighty eight, So that 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: was kind of the highlight. As an adult, it was 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: harder to think of things, but I feel like that 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: the items that the test of time have all been jewelry, 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: which is funny because I do not consider myself a 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: jewelry person at all. And also none of the jewelry 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: that I'm talking about is like, you know, archival thousands 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: of dollars piece. But like Josh gave me a very 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: cute little like Tiffany, you know, that like kind of 37 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: stereotypical infinity necklace like back in the early aughts that 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: I loved and then I lost. And I've had a 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: few other artistic pieces that do still exist and they're 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: just special to me and I still use them. And 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: have them. So there you go, there you go. Yeah. 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: So I I got a dollhouse kit. I think it 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: was the year I was in eighth grade, and I 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: put it together myself, like I built it myself with 45 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: the wood and shingles and painted it and it was 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And of course I, you know, now, 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: have bought another kit. Like I was like, oh, I 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: should do this with my daughter, and then we haven't 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: done it. It's still sitting in my office. That's over there, 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: just time. She's not in eighth grade yet, so you're 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: allowed that time I got that, Well, maybe we'll put 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: it together by then, or she could do it by 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: herself like I did. So I'm as serious. I had 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: the saw, I had the glue, I had you know. Anyway, 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: I actually I actually turned it in terms of like 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: adult gifts. I actually turned down some jewelry this year. 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: My husband had shown me what he was thinking of 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: getting me, and what was lovely. I was sort of like, well, 59 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not going anywhere like there's nowhere 60 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I would have to wear this. I it just I 61 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: appreciate the idea, but I probably would rather put the 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: money to something else right now. So I don't want 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: to wear it to podcast recordings, so I could where 64 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: where am I? We could maybe let's do a jewelry 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: episode where we're just wearing our stuff for each other. 66 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: It was like, I'm somewhere to wear it. Yeah, So anyway, 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: I think, well, one of my favorite gifts that he 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: gave me was a treadmill one year, partly because it 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: wasn't so much like the spending the money on the channel, 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: though that's a very nice gift. It was that he researched, 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: like what would be a good one that's in the 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: home market. He went and tried them out and then 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: got it delivered and assembled. So it was the treadmill 74 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: that appeared with zero work on my part. It was 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: more that the work of getting it was the emotional labor. 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: As as some of our past podcasts might have put 77 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: it. It It was done for me and now the treadmill 78 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: is there, so there, there we go. That was a 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: great one in the past. I think when your partner 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: puts like emotional significant effort into that shopping, you can 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: tell and so I agree with you, that's that's lovely. Ah, 82 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: how sweet? All right, Well we're gonna start with some 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: kind of general thoughts on gifting. I know there have 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: been a lot of podcasts and blogs kind of giving 85 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: list of items. I mean, will talk about some of 86 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: our favorite perennial items on this podcast later, but we 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: wanted to talk in some generalizations first. So Laura, you 88 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: had some ideas about like what makes a good gift recipient. Yeah, 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: this is something that I've been thinking about lately, that 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: it's not just about being a good gift giver. There's 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: a real gift if you will to your loved ones 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: and being a good gift recipient. We can all say like, oh, well, 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: we don't really need to exchange gifts, this is inefficient, 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 1: nobody needs anything, which is totally true, but the human 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: impulse to exchange gifts is just so strong. I've been 96 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: learning that from all my early human life and Neanderthal reading, 97 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: that you can't get away with not doing it, Like 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: there are people who will not be able to help 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: themselves even if you are saying like I don't need anything, 100 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't need anything. So it is not actually helpful 101 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: to say I don't need anything, even if it is 102 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: one hundred percent true, or say oh I like whatever, 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: even alfos if that is one hundred percent true. It 104 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: becomes stressful for the gift giver, and you can give 105 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: them the gift of reducing stress by being incredibly easy 106 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to shop for. So two ways you can go about 107 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: to this. One is have a nice to have list, 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 1: which is things that you like but you don't need. 109 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: So maybe it's a cute little evening bag for that 110 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: one party a year you go to in the non 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: COVID times, but every time you get to that party, 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't have an evening bag because it's like, okay, 113 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: well that's something I could have, right, Or I don't know, 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: rain boots, like you don't actually need them, but you 115 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: could have them, or a nice umbrella, or you get 116 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, These sorts of things that you 117 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: don't desperately need but would be nice to have. And 118 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: so when people are like, well what would you like, 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: you'd just hand them the list, right, the stuff that 120 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: they could then get you and know that you want. 121 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: Or if somebody gives you a gift card, you can 122 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: then pull something off that list and say very specifically 123 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: like oh, I needed a really nice umbrella, thank you 124 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: for giving me the gift card that I then got 125 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: this umbrella with. You can also be known for liking something, 126 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and this could be a collection of sorts, Like everyone 127 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: knows that you like anything with images of Cello's or 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: Old Girl Scout paraphernalia, or you connect you collect corkscrews, 129 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: or you are a connoisseur of flavored vodkas or hot 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: sauces or anything along those lines. That people know that 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: there's a category that you will always be happy about, 132 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: but it's specific, but it's broadly available, so they will 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: always be able to get you something from that category 134 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: for any gift giving occasion. I like dark chocolate. I 135 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: have to interject because I think my husband his family 136 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: was like so into doing this that he ended up 137 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: adding like bugs bunny themed gifts for like until he 138 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: was like stop. So I would say, guests, now, I 139 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: would say, if there is a category and you feel saturated, 140 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: you might want to let your loved ones know that, hey, 141 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: you've moved on to perhaps a slightly broader category or 142 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: something else. Yes, Laura did mention that her category is 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: dark chocolate, So if any listeners you know want to 144 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: send something, I'm totally kidding. And my other thought is, 145 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: what did the Neanderthals give sure, like animal skins, shaped stones. 146 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I thought maybe you had come 147 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: up with something because you had mentioned it. The fossil 148 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: record is so thin, wearing a ring like I mean, 149 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: so it's a question of when the symbolic stuff came in, right, 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: Like would you have there start to be things that 151 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: look like their beads, like pierced shells, like will those 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: be were those worn in a symbolic fashion? Could have 153 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: exchanged shelves, But it's hard to know exactly when that appeared. Anyway, long, 154 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: long story, we won't go off on that tangent again 155 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: as we did in a previous episode. Moving on from 156 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: that our current debate. As my kids are asking for 157 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: things for Christmas, I like that some of the things 158 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: they are asking for are experiences. You know, everyone has 159 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: more than enough toys, where if a particular child doesn't 160 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: have enough toys, their siblings have enough toys that they 161 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: can pull from, Like we don't need more blocks or 162 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: little people or toy cars or anything along those lines. 163 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: So some of them have been asking for experiences. But 164 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: the question is those are expensive in terms of time, 165 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: and so where do we draw the line and what 166 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: is the precedent, Like, it's okay if one kid asked 167 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: for experience but the others don't, Well that's okay, that's 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: that's doable. But what if like all four of the 169 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: big children asked for an experience? And then where is 170 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: there a dollar limit? Is there a time limit? It? 171 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: Does it have to be could it be a one 172 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: on one trip? Or if you know that your siblings 173 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: would like to do it and I'm bothering to make 174 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: this trip for instance, can I force siblings to be 175 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: allowed to go to I don't know, what do you think, Sarah? No, 176 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: this is tough. I mean, And I think that last 177 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: part is funny because I totally get it. Like I 178 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: could totally see one of my kids saying, oh, I 179 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: want to go X and it's a place that we 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: could totally go as a family. But like, no, the 181 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: whole point is they want to go like just with me, 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: not with they're sibling. And then yeah, do you have 183 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: to make that same trip twice? Because in my house, 184 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: if one person wants something specific that sounds good, then 185 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: the other one wants the same exact thing. I want 186 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: something like equivalent, So then oh, okay, I'm taking two 187 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: trips to Lego. I mean again, I don't know, so 188 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. We do have a thing in our house, 189 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: so our kids have not for like hahna, god, they 190 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: haven't really asked for experiences. I have told my kids 191 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: that at age ten, they get to select our family 192 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: trip anywhere in the I think I said continental, United 193 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: States and Canada or something like that. I don't remember. 194 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: So that means, you know, each kid will only get 195 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: to do that once at ten, So that's that kind 196 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: of limits it. It's not going to be an every 197 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: year kind of thing. And then I think I said 198 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: something about, like you get to pick an international destination 199 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: at fifteen, so that'll be a little bit more indulgent 200 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: and fun. And there we go, like that's three big 201 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: family trips and three domestic family trips, and that way, 202 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I think they kind of know that they're not going 203 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: to be able to ask for a weekend away with 204 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: every holiday and birthday, but tho's like special ones. And 205 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember where I came up with that, but 206 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: I just always thought that would be fun. So I 207 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe Laurie needs to be like, if 208 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: you're going to ask for a trip. Then it's like 209 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: a forty eight hour max. And that way they can't 210 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: ask for like I'm going to go back to the 211 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: Grand Canyon, because like that's going to take a long 212 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: time and you'd be away from all the other kids. 213 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, hard to know. We've done trips, like you know, 214 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: I took Jasper to New York a couple of years 215 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: ago for a two night trip and that was a 216 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: lot of fun. Michael took him to the Georgia Aquarium 217 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when he requested that, and 218 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: then I took him to San Diego for a long 219 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: weekend when he requested that. So he's really the kid 220 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: who asked for The other kids still ask for stuff, 221 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: but I suspect that will start to change as they 222 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: get older too, or not. Maybe he's the only kid 223 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: who wants to hang out with me. In case, I 224 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: guess I should enjoy it. New York is so doable 225 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: for you guys. There's so much there that I feel like, 226 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: if they want to go to a concert in New 227 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: York or you see something that that seems fairly realistic, yeah, 228 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: that's a doable trip. So that I could have a 229 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: sort of no limit on that one if you want 230 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to go see something in New York, but probably not 231 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: doing that anytime soon. But anyway, Yeah, do your kids 232 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: shop for each other? So this year, the two big 233 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: kids have expressed a lot of interest in buying stuff 234 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: for Genevieve, but I haven't heard a lot of talk 235 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: about buying things for each other. Their school did have 236 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: like a holiday bizarre last year, which was so cute 237 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: and it was like really cheap items, but it just 238 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: gave them the feel of being able to select things 239 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: for everyone. But this year is online and I'm like, 240 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: that's not fun. Yeah, No, not fun at all. Yeah, 241 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: because the cool thing was that they could go through 242 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: it independently pick out their physical bag of stuff. We 243 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: gave them each money and then like they came home 244 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: with all this stuff. So I don't know. I do 245 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: know that they have many they keep. They're having fun 246 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: with this, like we're buying something for Genevieve together things, 247 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: so I'm encouraging it. It's okay, that's cool. Yeah, Mike, 248 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: my kids have all decided that they want to shop 249 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: for each other, which now this I mean, it's so 250 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: the four older children will each be choosing four presents 251 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: a piece. So this is a sixteen present extravaganza than 252 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: I think. No way, I'm doing the Okay, So if well, 253 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: with the number of kids, You're right, this is like 254 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: a it's like a cubic expansion. I yes, because all 255 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: seven are buying that's forty nine gifts in your house. 256 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness about it. I mean, and I've also 257 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: started like, okay, Michael and I don't have to give 258 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: the kids as much if they are all going to 259 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: get three sibling presents or four in the case of Henry, 260 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and that could probably be sufficient in terms 261 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: of you know, Henry will just chew on the wrapping 262 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: paper in any case, although I would like to make 263 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: a point, we are going to celebrate his first birthday 264 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: right after Christmas and declaring it a family policy that 265 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: his birthday is not Christmas. It is a separate event 266 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: and needs to be celebrated as well, because otherwise they 267 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you get the short end of 268 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: the stick as the kid with the birthday that is 269 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: immediately after Christmas. Well, we have the exact same problem 270 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: this year because Genevieve's birthday is the second night of Hanukkah. 271 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: So we are going to make a big deal that 272 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: is a separate celebration that you know, how are you 273 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: going to do that though, because it is in fact 274 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: the same, Probably that will be a night that the 275 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: kids will get kind of like not the most exciting 276 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: Hanka gift, so we can focus the energy on her 277 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: birthday cake and her birthday gift, which will be separate 278 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: and kind of bigger. Like let's say they all get 279 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: like socks or you know whatever, then she gets her big, 280 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: her big resent. Okay, do you normally do I mean, 281 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: is there an order on which night you do the 282 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: big presence? I mean is there a tradition with that? 283 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: Is it like the last night or is it different 284 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: families do it differently. I think when I grew was 285 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: growing up, we usually just went big to small because 286 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: we were so excited to like get no anticipation built up, 287 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and like my dad was traveling because he traveled a lot, 288 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: like we would save nights where he was home for 289 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: our big stuff. So that was big. No, there's different ways, 290 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, I wrote a blog post this morning, 291 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I really we're not religious, so like the 292 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: idea that we and actually Hanukah is not like it's no, 293 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: it's not. And I don't think the eight presents like 294 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't think super religious Jewish people even do that, 295 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Like I think that's a very secular thing. But I 296 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: did grow up with it. My kids kind of expect it. 297 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: We live in an area with a lot of other 298 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: Jewish people, and they all talk about their eight presents. 299 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: So whatever, they're going to get eight. But I am 300 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: filling in some of those gaps with like family gifts, 301 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: more practical gifts. So it's not going to be like 302 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: eight giant plastic box of toys, eight packages of little squishies, right, 303 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: it's exactly which is twenty four or twenty two more 304 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: of them? All right, Well, let's take a quick ad 305 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: break and we will be back in a few minutes, so, 306 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, switching to a few holiday hacks. Here a 307 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: couple that we have come up with over the past 308 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: few years. If you are, for instance, if you're celebrating Christmas, 309 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: and everyone does most of their presence on Christmas morning, 310 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: we use different color wrapping paper for each individual family member, 311 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: and that way I can see very quickly if the 312 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: piles look roughly equivalent. Other people can see that too 313 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: and not throw fits about it or also no like 314 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: which ones are there, so they don't you know, paw 315 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: through everything looking for their names. On the presence, I 316 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: haven't over the past few years. I don't put an 317 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: under the tree until really like the day before, because 318 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, we had young kids and they don't have 319 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the self control necessarily to not open stuff, and that 320 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: would just be a total disaster. Hopefully in a couple 321 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: of years when Henry's older, we can put stuff under 322 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: the tree earlier. But yeah, different color wrapping paper, it's 323 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: pretty easy to get, Like if you go to Costco, 324 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: they have the two sided wrapping papers. If you've got 325 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you have four children even you know, 326 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: if you have two roles, that's a different side for 327 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: each and so then you're good. Like you don't have 328 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: to actually go out and buy too many different kinds 329 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: of paper. The adults can make do because you're looking 330 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: at the piles. If you have an experienced gift that 331 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you're giving, do you've picked something to wrap, like tickets 332 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: and a brochure, So I would wrap a brochure or 333 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: like if it was to a place, I might buy 334 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: one of those like photos guides to it or whatever. 335 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a ten dollars book. But then 336 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: you have something to wrap so they get to open it. 337 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: And I've also made little envelopes if it's something that's 338 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: you can't get now, Like last year, Jasper actually asked 339 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: for a queen, which he is getting at the new house, 340 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: but we are not there, so I put in a 341 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: little invote, say you're going to get it. And it's 342 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: just that's been an IOU that's been out there for 343 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: a long time, but that is that is in the works. 344 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: What are there to say, Oh, we save gift tags 345 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: year to year. We save gift bags definitely, because gift 346 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: bags can be reused holiday ones. For the holidays. I 347 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: save kids birthday present bags. If their friends give them 348 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: a bag present, you know, then I save the bag 349 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: because I can usually reuse it for wrapping other people's 350 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: stuff for the kid themselves. But we save the tags. 351 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: So we bought these nice tags at Costco. It's like 352 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: fifty cute little tags. And so there is going to 353 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: be a present like to Sam from mom and dad 354 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: every year. I mean there's several So like why make 355 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: new tags? I mean I just keep the ones from 356 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: last year, and so I have five six of each. 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: You know that I can just stick on the new 358 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: presence in the in the new year. And that's cute 359 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: because then they come kind of like a like an archive, 360 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: all like a tradition. So that's fun. I like that. Yeah, 361 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: one other hack I had, just in case anyone else 362 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: has a bad Amazon ordering habit. We have lost all 363 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: kinds of household goods that we have ordered from Amazon, 364 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: because when we start buying Christmas presents, some of which 365 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: come from Amazon, I just sort of stack up the 366 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: boxes in one place until I'm ready to wrap the presence. 367 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: But there is no way really to distinguish that this 368 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: is the box with the Christmas present versus this is 369 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: the box with the six pack of soft soap. So 370 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: I have had to one thing pondered doing is send 371 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: it to a different member of the household. So if 372 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: it is a household good, it is shipped. It could 373 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: be shipped to Michael, whereas if it's a Christmas president, 374 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: it's shipped to Laura. And so therefore you can distinguish 375 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: that there is which I you know, finally figured out 376 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: my you know, my mother in law sent me a present. 377 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: It was a year or two ago, so that they're 378 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: just like did you not get it? Like what happened? 379 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: It's like it was in the Amazon boxes. I found 380 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: it on Christmas morning. I'm like, wait, that's that's interesting. 381 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: We're like unwrapping what you thought was paper towels and 382 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: it's like, what's this, what's this? What's this? So, yes, 383 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: it's just a little hack there. Address it to a 384 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: different family member in your ordering. If that is something 385 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: that you do. Yeah, And I want to mention that 386 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: in this day and age, I think something that's great 387 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: is that we still love we still shop at Amazon. 388 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: My husband probably wishes we didn't because he has some 389 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: feelings about that, but I have to say, like, we've 390 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: gotten to a place where even small businesses have really 391 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: robust ordering platforms so that you can order from brick 392 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: and mortar stores but never have to set foot in them, 393 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: and make it really really convenient. So if you have 394 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: some boutique that you love, you just order all your 395 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: gifts from that place and just ship them directly, no middleman, 396 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, again, we still use the Big Box 397 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: as well, but I do like it. In twenty twenty, 398 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: it's actually pretty easy to shop small without leaving your yeah, 399 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: a lot of places have really built that up. I 400 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: mean like Warm and Fuzzy Yarn for instance, and in 401 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: North Carolina with our past guest. So yes, you can 402 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: definitely shop local and small as well, even by if 403 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: you are shopping online. All right, So what are some 404 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: of the perennial gift hits in your house? I mean, 405 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if your children listen to the podcast 406 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: and you need to not talk about it, but they don't. 407 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: It's so funny they don't listen to the podcast. They 408 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: don't read my blog, to the point where I was like, eh, 409 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm just going to put what we're buying this year, 410 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: like they're not going to see it. It's fine. I 411 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: wonder if there's going to come a time maybe like 412 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they Annabelle could easily be reading my blog, 413 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: but she doesn't anyway. So my kids definitely like subscriptions 414 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: of various kinds. We had Kiwiko and we would be 415 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: happy to have them sponsored, but they're not currently, so 416 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: this is not a sponsoring My kids like highlights. We 417 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: had National Geographic Kids, which they like. They come up 418 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: with these little cutout cars for some reason they find 419 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: very exciting and fun. So let's go. I am on 420 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: the hunt for a kid's cooking magazine. I found one 421 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: out there, but it's quarterly. Although my mom just sent 422 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: me at this is not a perennial hit because I've 423 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: never tried it. But America's Test Kitchen has these like 424 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: monthly boxes for kids where it has like a recipe 425 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: and like some fun tool. You have to buy the 426 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: actual food yourself, but like you, you know, they each 427 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: have like a theme for a kid friendly food that 428 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: they can make. So I am thinking about trying that 429 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: as well. Any Kraft materials. As a kid, I used 430 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: to get a new box of Crowns like every year 431 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: for years, and I loved it, like it made me 432 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: very happy. My kids, you know, more likely some kind 433 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: of craft kit like this year we're getting Annabels, Moorgami 434 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: and then this giant thing with just a bunch of 435 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: like little dud dads to make stuff with their jewelry, 436 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: making kids gift cards. Honestly, my kids love shopping. They'll 437 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: talk about what they want to get, They'll spend time 438 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: online surfing it. They love to look at toy actual catalogs, 439 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: like we've gotten a couple of like I don't know 440 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: the learning Company. I don't even know what they're called, 441 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: but like they will sit there and like rip these 442 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: things to shreds obsessing over it. So honestly, I think 443 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: a gift card would be kind of fun for them, 444 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: to get Anabella planner for your organized child, like doup 445 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: loads always a hit, magnetiles. I feel like, even for 446 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: the toddler age, that's what I'm getting for my niece 447 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: this year. If you don't, if somebody doesn't already have them, 448 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: they're just such a nice gift because they are fairly pricey, 449 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: and they last for years of play, and even like 450 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: a one year old can enjoy them, but then it's 451 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: something that they're probably going to continue to enjoy when 452 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: they're two, three, four, five. And Calico Critters is another hit. 453 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: In our house, we have a giant box of them. 454 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: I feel like we don't need any more at this point. 455 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: But if you have a kid who really likes pretend play, 456 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: they're just super cute, really well done. Again, not super cheap, 457 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: but like they're in the kind of like a medium 458 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: price point where it doesn't feel ridiculous but it also 459 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: feels nice. So yeah, what about in your house, Well, 460 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: I definitely liked your idea of sports and outdoor equipment. 461 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, as the kids are spending so much 462 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: time at the house these days, anything that gets them 463 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: away from their phones and iPads is is nice. We've 464 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: definitely gotten things like skateboards or if if we have 465 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: to update the bike situation, I mean, we're at the 466 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: point where people are starting to we can kind of 467 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: just cycle people through the previous child's bike. But you know, 468 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Jasper probably should get an adult bike at this point. 469 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, so bike helmets, things like that. Scooters are 470 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: always good. We've got roller skates. You mentioned tennis, rackets. 471 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. Or balls, like balls 472 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: in general are good. People can always throw balls, or 473 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, if there's a sport that a child plays, 474 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of upgrading their equipment is a nice touch. We're 475 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, if they're taking lessons somewhere, you know, something 476 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: associated with that. If there's again nicer equipment or a 477 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: T shirt or sweatshirt or you know, I always like 478 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: athletic gear, so I'm sure you know other people probably 479 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: do too. I say we have a problem with the 480 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: gift cards. I'm about to show Sarah we have video 481 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: here I'm showing Sarah an array of cards that are 482 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: sitting on my desk that are from one child who's like, oh, 483 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I've found these in my drawer. Do they just not 484 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: want to use I don't. I think we're like they're 485 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: saving it for a rainy day, like because I was 486 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a hoarders kind of like if 487 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: something was good or special, like I put it where 488 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: I didn't want to use it because I I don't know. 489 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they need to get on it, but I'm 490 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: not sure that there's So we just need to be 491 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: much more aggressive about using the gift cards because I 492 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: don't have any desire to, like, you know, give Jeff 493 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: Bezos more money that's just sitting in that account, like 494 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's like leaving with me. Maybe I'll like, 495 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, take them in order the paper towels. So 496 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: we need to get these gift cards used. So I'm 497 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: going to be better. I'm making my resolution right now 498 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: that children are going to use them and order stuff. 499 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: Maybe if you put them somewhere where you see them 500 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: all the time, because that way, when a kid says, oh, 501 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: I really want the dollhouse, you can just hey, look 502 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: like raise the gift card go use it. Yes, yes, exactly. 503 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: We are big fans of Lego. We are also doing 504 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Legos this year, which with the caveat 505 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: that we have to keep them up in the air 506 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: because we have a little person who will eat them. 507 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: So but Sam and Ruth and I actually already did 508 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: the Lego Christmas. It's a toy workshop, so that we 509 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: I kind of snoozed on the job and did not 510 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: get the twenty twenty set ordered before it's sold out. 511 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: This is the year that everyone was buying the Lego 512 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: set to do with their family. We had done the 513 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Gingerbread House last year, finished it up in January because 514 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, late December got busy, but we I couldn't 515 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: find the twenty twenty one anywhere, so I went back 516 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: on eBay and you could buy past years like with 517 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: a bit of a markup, I will admit, but like 518 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: the official twenty eighteen one is I think the toy workshop. 519 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: So we bought that and have already put it together, 520 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: so I guess that's that's done. Took a little bit 521 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: less time than I thought it might. The kids are 522 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: getting to be very very good at Lego, Like I 523 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: wonder if you could find a discounted twenty twenty in 524 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: January and then you know that's, yes, that is a 525 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: good idea. I should do that, definitely. I think buying 526 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Christmas stuff in general in January is a good idea 527 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: because then you just if you have the space to 528 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: keep it, like wrapping paper bows, I mean, you will 529 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: use it. It will eventually be Christmas again, so you know, 530 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: good to have, good to have? What do you give adults? Yeah, 531 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: So my go to is definitely consumables that could be 532 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: cosmetic consumable, like I'm all about the fancy bath jel. 533 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: I choose something that I really love and then hope 534 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: that it's kind of got universal appeal. I have certain 535 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: products from Sephora that I kind of know, like this 536 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: totally hand cream, Like who doesn't like that? It's like 537 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: perfectly light and I don't know, like no one's complaining yet, 538 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: So there you go. Wine is always good. Beer is 539 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: always good. I've gotten Josh many beer subscriptions in the past, 540 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: and my sister actually got me Jenny's ice cream which 541 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: came in this like I don't know, like with dry 542 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: ice and stuff, which was like such a fun consumable 543 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: gift to receive. So I'm thinking about maybe giving that 544 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: to someone this year. We'll see I think upgraded launewear, 545 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: like especially in twenty twenty. Who doesn't need like a 546 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, great pair of sweatpants or a fancy like 547 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: pajama set or something like that. So we've definitely done that. 548 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: My husband and I don't actually exchange holiday gifts. I 549 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: guess I don't know. We try not to. We do 550 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: get each other birthday gifts. We don't even do anniversary 551 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: We try to do like an experience together, but we 552 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: do do birthday gifts. And again, as I mentioned, my 553 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: husband's birthday is around that same time as Jenevieve's, so 554 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: gets pulled into the mix. Yeah, I'm figuring out what 555 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: my husband is getting a in our new house, we 556 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: have something that's a bit of a man cave, and 557 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: so he's getting some wal art for the man cave, 558 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: which may or may not be a Texas A and 559 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: m led like I thought you were gonna say it 560 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: was gonna have like something with horns. That's the wrong 561 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: college school. Okay, good, good, because that would be kind 562 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: of a lot. Yeah, no, so that's that's happening. But 563 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: when I'm a big fan of giving sort of like 564 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: family units. Like if you exchange with extended family, like 565 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: you get something for the family unit. You can actually 566 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: give everybody the same thing slightly varied. So last year, 567 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: for instance, I gave everybody Pendleton blankets, which is a 568 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: very nice blanket company. You got one nice blanket for 569 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: each family unit, you know. I gave all the adults 570 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: like these ug slippers one year, so that was that 571 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: was kind of fun. You could do stuff like vests 572 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: or fleeces or nice scarves. I've done the like Harry 573 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: and David Fruit of the Month kind of club thing 574 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: for people in the past. That's that's gonna be a 575 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: good household gift that then keeps coming. A public service announcement. 576 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: If people work for you, you can give them money. Yeah, 577 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: money is money is the right gift in case you 578 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: were wondering. Yeah, And the guideline is usually one to 579 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: two times the weekly pay, you know, depending on your 580 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: intimacy level with that that person. I've heard some people 581 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: go even higher than that. But yes, money, money money. 582 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: You g alys give a little small token with the 583 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: money so that you feel like they're like if it's 584 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: a caregiver like a you know, a framed photo with 585 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: a lot of cash. Yes, but the money is the 586 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: key element here. I mean it's the same thing like 587 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: if you were at work and somebody like gave you. 588 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean I just think about like the old passive, 589 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: like we give people a turkey for Christmas. Like there's 590 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: these old companies that would do that. It's like, come on, 591 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: that is not what they want. Or one of my 592 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: favorite dilbertsd what was it they gave an employee, like 593 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: an employee of the month. This was a Dilbert cartoon, 594 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars knick knack, like it's a Strasby crystal, 595 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Like we'll go up the company, like they think. I 596 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: just want the money, not the crystal, not the desk clup. 597 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: So yes, that is our public service stans all right, 598 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: anything else on gift giving Sarah before we go to 599 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: our question, No, I think I think that was great. 600 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm more motivated to shop now. Oh and I will 601 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: admit that, like I'm not one of those shop months 602 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: in advance. But I always admire the people who say, oh, 603 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: I start in March and I have a closet and 604 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: I collect things all year long, like, that's amazing. I 605 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: usually gift shop around Black Friday, not at the Black 606 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: Friday sales necessarily, but it's when I realize, like, oh 607 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: my god, I have to order everything or it's not 608 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about Sarah's secretly that person who's there 609 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: with her card at five am running everyone else over. No, 610 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: I only shop online. So all right, So here's our question. 611 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: This listener works for a large company with many, many, 612 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: like thousands of employees, and she says, periodically there will 613 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: be an opportunity to join what is now a virtual 614 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: lunch and learn with a member of senior leadership. She says, 615 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand what the purpose of these luncheons are. 616 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Is it a good opportunity to have FaceTime? Would you 617 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: recommend attending these? If so, how do you recommend deciding 618 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: which ones to attend? She's seen invitations for various people 619 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: like including you know, the head of her division, the CFO, 620 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: various you know this chief legal officer, like you know, 621 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: the whole c suite. Host is expected to host these 622 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: at her company. She says, if I attend, what would 623 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: you suggest I do to prepare? So, Sarah, what do 624 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: you think? Well, the first thing I would say is 625 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: if these people are hosting these things, they're going to prepare, 626 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: like they're going to be ready with all kinds of 627 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: icebreakers and things. It would be kind of silly of 628 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: them to be like come to a lunch and learn 629 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: and then just stand there like who has something to say? 630 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: And these are you know, leaders, so they probably are 631 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: fairly skilled at getting conversations going, so I wouldn't stress 632 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: too much about this. I feel like you have nothing 633 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: to lose by going. You can always get ideas, you 634 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: might meet people. It is always great for the leaders 635 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: in your organization to know who you are that can 636 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: really never do anything bad for your career. It might 637 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: do nothing, but it's not going to be a negative. 638 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: And if you do come up with something to ask 639 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: or maybe even just like something to brag about, not 640 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: that yourself necessarily, but maybe you just want to say, like, oh, 641 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: and by the way, like our division had to had 642 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: our best month ever despite COVID because of you know, 643 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: you might want to give praise on somebody else, like 644 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: that might be a nice way to kind of like 645 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: share the wealth. And also they're going to remember that 646 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: you complimented somebody else and we're excited about progress in 647 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: your division. So I say, bring positivity. You don't have 648 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: to prepare you know, an elevator pitch or anything like that. 649 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: But I say, go, there's no downside. Yeah, I say, 650 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: there's basically no reason not to. I mean, especially like 651 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: if you're planning to take like a lunch break anyway. 652 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is work lunch, Like you're 653 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: getting to meet people, You're getting your face in front 654 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: of people. So yeah, go ahead and choose some that 655 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: look interesting. Make sure you just have a short introduction 656 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: of yourself that says you know what you do for 657 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: the company, maybe the thing you're happiest about that's just happened. 658 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: You come with a question related to your industry. These 659 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: people might have a perspective on that you would find interesting. 660 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I doubt you really need to prepare all 661 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: that much. But if there is a situation where they're 662 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: going around the room, then you have a question that 663 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: you could ask and sound intelligent. But yeah, there's never 664 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: a bad reason for like senior people to know your 665 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: face and know your name. I totally agree with Sarah. 666 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: So it is the FaceTime and a lot of people 667 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: would be I just found the question is sort of funny, like, 668 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, what is the purpose of these It's like, well, 669 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: most most people in big companies see an upside and 670 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: having the people higher up the ladder know who they are, 671 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: so that is basically what this is. And you know 672 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: view it as a easy, cost free way to network. 673 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: And you know, we can check that box. And since 674 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: there are very probably not as many holiday parties going 675 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: on where you'd have that casual face time could serve 676 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: as a nice substitute. All right, Well, this has been 677 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We've been doing our holiday gift 678 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: guide and thoughts for holiday shopping and holiday hacks and 679 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: all that good stuff, and we will be back next 680 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 681 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 682 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 683 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 684 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 685 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 686 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: life work together.