1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Always unplug is Forgotten Seasons. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: What is up? Everybody? Welcome to Forgotten Seasons. This is 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: your host, Dylan Dreyfuss. Another week, another season two relive. 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: Today we got the all dramatic, incredibly talented twenty fifteen 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: Lob City clips with their starting small forward. The first 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: repeat guest on Forgotten Seasons, my guy, Matt Barnes. There's 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: a few different Lob City teams that we were designing between, 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: but we landed on twenty fifteen. In my opinion, this 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: is when the door really starts to shut on the 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: whole Lob City era. I'm gonna get into all of 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: it with Matt, but we got a lot of details 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: on CP doc Blake DeAndre, a classic playoff series against 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: the Spurs, and of course the epic collapse against Houston, 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: and a lot more. Let's get into it, but before 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: we do, a reminder to rate and review the podcast 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: if you are enjoying it. We got some crazy, exciting 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: guests on the way. Really just getting our feet wet 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: right now. Believe me, be sure to check out the 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: rest of Showtime Basketball's lineup. All the smoke KG certified, 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: what's burning. We're hitting you with fresh episodes five days 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: a week, so definitely tap in if you have not already. 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: We got Matt Barnes coming up forgotten seasons on the 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen Clippers begins right now. 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Showtime family. 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Many Hey, thank you for putting this all together. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad we were able to get that done. Noah, 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: love your work, bro. 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: I love your work too, And we got some big 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: things in store for this year. So for today's purposes, 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: as always on one Team, one season, we got the 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen clips before we get into this season. We 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: were talking a little bit before. I want to quickly 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: recap the previous three years because at the end of 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: each Clippers season there seemed to be like a scapegoat 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: or a finger pointed at one issue or one person 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: as to why you guys did not win the championship. Right, 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: So eleven twelve is the first US Paul year, the 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: birth of lob City, Lake DeAndre Lobbs everywhere. It's the 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: lockout season. Kind of a weird year. They make the 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: second round and then lose to San Antonio. Blake is young, 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, make some additions. The next year, twelve thirteen, 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: they bring yourself in. They bring Jamal Crawford and Lamar 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: odom As always great regular season fifty six wins, but 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: first round exit bye by Vinnie Del Negro. Hello Doc 45 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: Rivers as the coach and the executive thirteen savior this yeah, 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: well the savior. 47 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: He's supposed to be the savior. Yeah. 48 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: So the same sort of story goes amazing regular season. 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: Can the Clippers win the championship with this corps? To 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: be fair, there were some crazy controversies in the fourteen playoffs. 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: The Donald Sterling tapes come out that obviously those are 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: wrenching things. You guys managed to get past round one, 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: and then that OKC series Man in twenty fourteen, I 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: mean Houston. Obviously, the Josh Smith series in fifteen gets 55 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: all the attention for the monumental collapse. But Man up 56 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: up seven, tied to two in Game five with fifty 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: seconds left, Kadie hits a big three, Russ gets a 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: big steal fouled, and you guys lose, and then you 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: blow a double digit lead in Game six. So that 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: season ends and we go into fourteen fifteen. There's no 61 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: more excuses to be made. This is year four of CP. 62 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: DeAndre and Blake year two of Doc. What is the 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: energy like in training camp as you come back in fifteen? 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: You said at the time that everybody on the team 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: just wanted to win so badly that they were overthinking 66 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: the little stuff. Can you expand on what that exactly 67 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: means in just what the energy and attitude was like 68 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: as you go into the twenty fourteen to fifteen season. 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: I think we realized that the year before, we let 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: that LKC series slip and you had a great chance 71 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: to you know, go to the Western Conference finals and 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: you get there, you never know what happened. So we 73 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: knew we we blew that. Coming into the next season, 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we had, you know, championship or bust on 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: our mind. You know, we made some key additions to 76 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 3: strengthen our bench and depth, and you know, it started 77 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: off slow in the preseason. We struggled. I know, I 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: particularly struggled in the preseason, and again I think because 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: we wanted it so bad, not realizing it was a 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: a marathon, it wasn't a sprint. You know, we had 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: a long ride to go on together. So I think, 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: you know, everyone eventually relaxed and we started playing good basketball. 83 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: So outside of yourself, outside of CP, Blake and DeAndre, 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: we got Austin Rivers coming in as the coach's son. 85 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 2: We got Jamal Crawford, JJ Redick, Spencer Hawes, rounding and out. 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: The constant phrase that comes to the conversation with this 87 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: team is mental toughness. There's never been a team in 88 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: NBA his three that has won a championship that was 89 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: not mentally tough. You've said in the past, I've heard 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: JJ and Blake talk that this team was just not 91 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: mentally tough. What does that mean exactly? And can you specify, 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: like what was lacking with that mental strength in this team? 93 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: I think it was it was two parts. 94 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: You know, obviously we hit, you know every season, we 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: hit at adversity and you know there would be some 96 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: finger pointing or some some. 97 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Whispering, you know, amongst management, amongst players. 98 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: And then also it was like a weird dynamic where 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: like we really really really fucked with each other off 100 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: the court, like we all hung out, our kids hung out. 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: It was like a close knit family. 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: On the outside, look at the men, you would think, like, man, 103 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 3: these Clippers have great chemistry because we did off the court. 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: But then on the court. It was just it was different. 105 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: You know, at times we would look like the best 106 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: team in the league, hands down, we would blow out. 107 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: The best teams in the league. 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: We'd be hitting on all cylinders, and other times there 109 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: would be finger pointing and issues. I know one of 110 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: the issues was and it was weird because I didn't 111 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: see it as an issue, but it was the way 112 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: that Chris Paul delivered his messages. You know, I love Chris, 113 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: one of the greatest point guards that you know to 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: ever play the game, someone I'll take in the Fox 115 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: host ten out of ten times. But Chris was more 116 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: old school. You know, when you hear rumors around the 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: league that guys don't like Chris and this is I 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: think that's all bullshit. I just think Chris is like 119 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: one of those it's an acquired taste, Like Chris is 120 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: a throwback type of guy that's really going to tell you, 121 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: like what the fuck he sees and what's going on 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: out there, and you know, not at a ten right 123 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: and not at a ten times he's right, you know 124 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: what I mean. So there was definitely I felt like 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: a disconnect at the top with our with our big three. 126 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes with the way Chris would deliver messages and you know, 127 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: I would sometimes or a lot of the time, kind 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: of be the bridge between what CP was saying and 129 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: what he was trying to get out of his two young. 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: Stars in Blake and DJ. 131 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: And you know, I would be that bridge, like, yeah, 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: this is what Chris is trying to say to you, 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, just quiet, He's not wrong, it's 134 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: just again, sometimes his delivery would come off a little 135 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: harsh and it would kind of turn those guys off. 136 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: So I kind of felt like that was definitely a 137 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: disconnected times during the season because you would see, you know, 138 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: you would see our stars on on three different islands 139 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: instead of on one island. 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I was looking at the Basketball Reference page 141 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: the other day and outside of points per game, like 142 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: CP is putting up the exact same numbers in twenty 143 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: twenty two as he did in his prime and in 144 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, it is there. I mean, we all see 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: as fans like the barking on the court, But off 146 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: the court, is there another aspect of his leadership that 147 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: is different than that? 148 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: No, Like I said, I think off the court, everyone will, 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean to my I mean, you know, sometimes you 150 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: don't really know what's inside someone's head, and you know, 151 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: people could be putting on the front. But for the 152 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: most part, for Chris, Chris, you know, everyone was cool 153 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: off the court, Like I said, like we all hung out. 154 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: We all were either had kids or starting to. 155 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Have kids at that time. 156 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: We would go to each other's birthday parties, we'd grab 157 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: dinner as the guys on the road. So it was 158 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: it was weird to me because I'm just like, yo, 159 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: how could we fuck with each other so tough off 160 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: the court, But then on the court it would you know, 161 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: we we would bump heads or getting each other's way 162 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: at times where we all needed to be on the 163 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: same page. 164 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: Was there any sort of like discussion in the locker 165 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: room because people have to see that going on, like 166 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: we're not getting getting along? 167 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, like I said, 168 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: I think we we try to handle it is u 169 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, internal as. 170 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: Much as we could, because you obviously don't want the 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: problems getting out. But you know, there would be times 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: where you know, it would be discussed different things that 173 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: you know, Blake and DJ or they can, Blake and 174 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: Chris would have conversations, you know, Blake and DJ would 175 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: butt head. Sometimes they would have conversations, so it was 176 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: it would be discussed but and at times again, at 177 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: times would be great, but at times that we needed 178 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: at most it would we in a negative way. 179 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: So we talked about CP. I want to I want 180 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: to shed some light on Blake a little bit because 181 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: I think today a lot of people remember him as 182 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: that high flying, brute force, unbelievable athlete. But there was 183 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: a whole other wrinkling layer to his game that I 184 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: think really started to come out around this time. He 185 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: was getting, you know, a little bit older, still in 186 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: his prime, but that skill level and that passing that 187 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: he possessed at that size, just ball handling as well 188 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: ball handling. He's a big guard like that, that's not animal. 189 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: What was it like having a front row seat to 190 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: the Blake Griffin show every day? 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: I would I say the best thing about Blake was 192 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: he put the time in. When you hear the first 193 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: person in the last person to league, that. 194 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Was literally Blake. You know, we would come in but 195 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: more and you know, I always try to get my 196 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: work in. 197 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: Other guys got their work in before and after, but 198 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: Blake was in there an hour before you know, in 199 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: a full sweat after you know, getting a full work 200 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: at it. So Blake definitely put the work in needed 201 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: to continue to improve his game. And now, you know, 202 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, that was Blake's prime, you know, 203 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: when he was known for high flying and then and 204 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: you know put the lob and the lob sit or 205 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: you know. 206 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: The city and the lob. 207 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: But he was his ability to stretch his range and 208 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: it continue to get better, you know, from mid range 209 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: to eventually the three point line. 210 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: His ability to you know. 211 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: To bring the ball downhill in transition and you know, 212 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: go go between his legs, around his back and make 213 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: up behind the back pass on the money. You know, 214 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: you don't normally see power forwards doing shit like that. 215 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: And you know after, you know, if if all. 216 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: Of us falls, you know, he can come down the 217 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: lane and dunk on anyone. So Blake at that time, 218 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: you know, was you can't really name too many power 219 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: forwards that were better. Obviously, Tim Duncan was coming to 220 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: the end of his career, so I put Blake Griffin 221 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: in there. 222 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: At that time, you know him, Kevin Love. 223 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: You know, there's a handful of the other guys that 224 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: were literally the best power forwards in the game at 225 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: that time. 226 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: And then sort of shifting to the coaching side, Doc Rivers. 227 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: You you proclaimed him as the Savior. Maybe a little 228 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 2: bit of a joke, but. 229 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's that's what it was supposed to be. 230 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. I mean Doc Rivers. 231 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: It's interesting. He obviously won that championship in Boston, but 232 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: outside of that, not not too much success. I've heard 233 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: him be described as like a player's coach. Obviously he 234 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: was a player back in the day. Uh, how was 235 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: playing under Doc when you think of him compared to 236 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: maybe some of the more technical coaches that you had 237 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: in your your career, like a like a Phil Jackson 238 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: or a stan Ye Dundee, What was playing under Doc? 239 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Like? Doc was cool because he definitely was a player. 240 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: I think anytime you can have a player coach, you 241 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: just have a different connection because he knows what the 242 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: grind is and what it's about. 243 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: Doc was a. 244 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: Great motivator, great speeches, great uh you know, great deliverer 245 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 3: of messages and could really get you going. But we 246 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: would just hit issues sometimes in crunch time with you know, 247 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: sometimes making adjustments. 248 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: Or x's and o's down the stretch. 249 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: And again that's not all him. Obviously we're the ones 250 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: out there executing. But you know, again for the most part, 251 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: playing with Doc is you know, it was fun, you know, 252 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 3: but really outside of his you know, that Boston situation. 253 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Where he got you know, a. 254 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: Greatly wrapped present, you know, with all the talent that 255 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: Boston team had, and Doc was the missing piece to 256 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: get them over the top. You know, when he came 257 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: to LA, that was the thought. You know, we had 258 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: this great accumulation of talent. Uh, they felt Vinnie wasn't 259 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: cutting it. Doc was supposed to come in and help 260 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: us get over the top, you know. But soon after 261 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: he got there and we see all these titles as 262 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: Polinoks players. 263 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Talk, You're like, Okay, well, how can our. 264 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: Head coach that's supposed to believe in us and we 265 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: give everything for us, also making decisions about cutting players, 266 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: trading players, bringing other players in. So he's supposed to 267 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: obviously be all for this team, but at the same time, 268 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: it's a business, so he's obviously trying to get guys 269 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: into heat feels is can best suit this team. So 270 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: I think Doc had many hats and I think, you know, 271 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: with all due respect, I think that took away from 272 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: coaching a little bit. 273 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: Is it weird at all, like having his son in 274 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: the locker room when you're you're talking about. 275 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: It was when, Yeah, I mean it was weird because 276 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: you know, obviously Austin. 277 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: I think Austin came to us. I'm not exactly sure. 278 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: I know he didn't start the season with us, but 279 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: Austin came to us at some point, and I just 280 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: naturally that's gonna be different, you know, not that he 281 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: treated him any different than he treated others people talk about, 282 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: you know, he got paid or he paid his son. 283 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: But you know, Austin played well for our team, you know, 284 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: But just Austin thing was, Austin was really arrogant. 285 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: And rubbed you know, some of the guys that had 286 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: put in work and are all stars and around the 287 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: verge of being all stars. 288 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: He would rub it in the wrong way. And guys 289 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: you know, took issue with that. And then and then 290 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: on top of that, it's just never easy to be 291 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 3: the coach's son on any level. But now you're the 292 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: coach's son in the NBA, so people are always gonna 293 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: have stuff to say. 294 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: About that. But you know, I take my hat off. 295 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Austin played his ass off, played well for us, and. 296 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: I really honestly he didn't really see any favoritism between 297 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: those two. 298 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's got to be uncomfortable, but 299 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: he does play hard. Heading into the regular season, again, 300 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: an amazing regular season team, as the Clippers always are. 301 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: You win fifty six games in the West. I mean, 302 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: the reason why this season for you guys was so 303 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: important was you had the Thunder. That's the year that 304 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: Duran only played like twenty five games. They're pretty much 305 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: out of the equation. The Spurs are are the defending champs, 306 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: but they're old. And the one team that nobody really 307 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: saw coming was the Warriors, who who explode and have 308 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: that that first care year you as the starting small forward, 309 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: perimeter defender. Getting older as you get older and around 310 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: that time, are there any guys that you remember who 311 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: were maybe young and coming into the league that you know, 312 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: you're just like, damn man, like I'm getting old like 313 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: those players on the wings. 314 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Later, not too much. 315 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: You know, to be honest with you, because although I 316 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: was older, one thing I prided myself on was being 317 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: the you know, the most shape in person, that got 318 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: most in shape guy out there. So I really proud 319 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: of myself on you know, my off season conditioning and 320 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: even in season conditioning, just for those reasons, you know, 321 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's when the wing was popping. 322 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: You know, you got Mellow, you got the Wade, you 323 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: got Lebron. 324 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: You got kd KG, the end of KG, you got 325 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: a young Kawhi Leonard. You got a lot of really 326 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: talented guys out there, and you know, each and every night, 327 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: you know, I was ready for that matchup. Not saying 328 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: I'm locking these guys up, but you know I'm making 329 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: them Kobe, excuse me. You know I'm making these guys 330 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: work for everything they get. But just you know, there's 331 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: always that's a time when you know the two and 332 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: in the small forward where the primary scores on. 333 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Every team, you know what I mean. 334 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: So me being a defensive minded guy, first what I'd 335 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: like to got more shots and did all this kind 336 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: of shit. Yeah, but you know I was right around 337 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: ten or eleven points and I knew, you know, my 338 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: job every night was to guard the best perimeter player. 339 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: On the other team. 340 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: You know, whether it feels the point guard most time 341 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: CP was one of those guards. It would never ran 342 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: from a matchup, so CP he's always taken the point guard. 343 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: But you know, the best two or three, you know, 344 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: I was always guarding them. So that was really, you know, 345 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: kind of the way I looked at everything. 346 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: That year, you're the best shooting career of your shoot 347 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: shooting year of your career. You shoot thirty six percent 348 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: from deep. So so heading into the playoffs, your reward 349 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: for winning fifty six games in the three seed is 350 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: the defending champion Spurs. That was obviously one of the 351 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: best series we had probably in the twenty tens. The 352 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: Spurs are old Duncan's like thirty eight man who's like 353 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: thirty seven? What makes them still so lethal and dangerous 354 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: even if you know Tim Duncan showing up with a walker. 355 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: To the game experience experience in Popovich, you know, they 356 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: they one of those historical organizations where winning is all 357 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: that matters. They plug and play, you know, kind of 358 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: like the run the New England had with Tom Brady there. 359 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: You know, they plug and play around their superstars and 360 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: there and their core guys and guys coming to. 361 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: Know their role. 362 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: So they were always dangerous and as old as tim 363 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: was and man who was They had a young Kawhi 364 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: Leonard at that time that was really starting to just 365 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: cut his teeth and the Yeah, he was a fucking monster, 366 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: you know. So it was, you know, let's ride Tony, 367 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: Let's ride Kawhi. Uh, Timmy's gonna give us what he got, 368 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 3: Genobi's gonna give us what he wont and then we're 369 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: gonna surround you know, our team with shooters and also 370 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: Boris Dia, who was a hell of a playmaker for 371 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: that team. But we knew we were better than that 372 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: San Antonio team, and we went out there and proved it. 373 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: Game seven. I mean that that rewatch if you remember 374 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: that closing lineup was CP, JJ Crawford, you playing the 375 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: four and Blake. I think the Spurs probably got like 376 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: twenty offensive rebounds in that fourth quarter, but the way 377 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: the ball falls, Chris Paul gets that last shot and 378 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: you guys win. 379 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: Uh. 380 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: CP Herdson's hamstering and he's out for the first two 381 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: games of the Houston and series. Blake said on JJ 382 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: Reddick's podcast that you know, when CP goes out, it 383 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: forces everybody else to lift themselves up so much because 384 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: CP does everything on the court, and they talked about 385 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: how in that Houston series, both physical and mental fatigue 386 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: was a big factor. At the end. You're up three 387 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: to one and then Game five they blow you out. 388 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: Game six is the Josh smith and Corey Brewer game. Man, 389 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: what happens? What do you remember? What's going on the label? 390 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: I want to say we have a don't we have 391 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: a big lead in that game. I want to say 392 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: we're up double games in the fourth quarter, right like 393 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: seventeen or something. 394 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: Or nine, or you guys are up like twenty in 395 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: game six. 396 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: Crazy and you know, and then you see he seemed 397 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: James Harden go to the bitch. So it's almost like, okay, shit. 398 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: You know, obviously you want to focus at the task 399 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: in hand, but we're looking, okay, the Warriors are waiting 400 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: on us. You know, we're about to play the Warriors 401 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: in the Western Conference finals. James go to the bench 402 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: and Josh Smithing and Corey Brewer just take over like 403 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: on some some Superstar close out game type shit. 404 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: You know, Josh is hitting threes left and right. 405 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: Corey Brewer's energy on both ends of the ball was effective, 406 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: and we couldn't hit anything. And with James Harden watching, 407 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: who at that time was you know, one of the 408 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: leading scorers in the league, best players in the world, 409 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: you know, with him on the bench, his team comes 410 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: back and beats us. And then I want to say, 411 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: they beat the dog shit out of us in game 412 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: seven in Houston, didn't They didn't they kill us in 413 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: Game seven? 414 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: It ended up being like twelve, but I mean you 415 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: could just. 416 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: See, yeah, but they were it was different. It was 417 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: super loud. I remember Game seven. Their crowd was rocking, 418 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: and just our energy was different. It was almost like 419 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: obviously you never think that way. It was almost like 420 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 3: we were defeated before the game started and it was 421 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 3: another here goes the Clippers doing Clipper type shit at 422 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: the end of the day. 423 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Clipper curse. 424 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 425 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: So game seven, you guys lose, you end up getting 426 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: trade or before we get there. I mean, you mentioned 427 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: the Warriors, the sort of looming Warriors were they were 428 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: waiting for you guys. That's a series that would have 429 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: been really cool to see because obviously the year before, 430 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: you guys edged them out in seven, but then that 431 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: next year they just go to a whole other planet. 432 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, rewind real quick, not to cut you off. 433 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: So we were. 434 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: There was some trauma that year, and it started in 435 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: a Warriors game. I want to say it was at 436 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: Golden State at some point in that season. 437 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: And this is me. 438 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: Going through a public divorce, so I was kind of 439 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: on edge. And I just remember one particular game where 440 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: we at Golden State. They just beat us in every 441 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: aspect of the game. I don't know if it was 442 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: our first time there, our second time there. And to 443 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 3: keep it real, like DJ and Blake didn't play very well, 444 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: but for some reason, instead of you know, Dot going 445 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: at them, he would. 446 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: Go at me. 447 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 3: And I want to say I took three shots. One 448 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: of them went in and I missed two of them 449 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: and on two of my corner threes that I took, 450 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: this motherfucker stopped the film telling me, oh, you needed 451 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: to pass this, or you should have passed one time 452 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: you should have passed to Blake going down the lane, 453 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: and one time I should have passed to Jamal. And 454 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm thinking of my head, like we got 455 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 3: a motherfucking asses kicked. I missed two threes and you 456 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: want to during the film, you know, instead of addressing 457 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: dudes that. 458 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: Were getting beat up and not doing their job. 459 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 3: You want to address my two shots, and I took 460 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: offense to it, you know, because he literally was stopping 461 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: and rewinded, you see this, you see this, you see 462 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: this like I'm not a motherfucking grown ass man in 463 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: my thirteenth year in the league, and that's not like 464 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: you know, in my nature eating you know, I was 465 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: getting five to seven eight shots a game, so it's 466 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 3: not like I'm taking a bulk with the shots. But 467 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 3: the fact that he wanted to point those out, that 468 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: shit pissed me off. And he kept nagging me and 469 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: doing it. So it got up to the point where 470 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: I got up in like film session and everyone's like, 471 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: oh my god. 472 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: Was he gonna do? And I was about to go. 473 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: I was pissed at DOC. I was about to go 474 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: put the hands on DOC. So I got up and 475 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: because I sat on the on the far side in 476 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: the film room, and I got up, and I remember 477 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: DJ said, not calm down. He tried to grab my 478 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 3: arm or leg as I was getting up, and I 479 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: ended up just walking out of the film session. I 480 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: was about to go home, but I'm like, fucking man, like, 481 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: I can't let my team down. Let me go in 482 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: the locker room and cool down, and then we had 483 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: cameras on the court that you could see in the 484 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: locker room. You can see TV's in the locker room, 485 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: and I thought that the guys were out on the court. 486 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: So I go back out there after film and we 487 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: start stretching, and uh, Doc tells me to flip my 488 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: jersey over because he was going to put Jamal in 489 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: the starting lineup and put me on the bench. 490 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: And that makes no sense by the way, running JJ, 491 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: but I was. 492 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: Like, I'm not taking, I'm not taking. I'm not flipping shit. 493 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: These motherfuckers know what side of them on and just 494 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: went out and kind of had like a monster practice 495 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: that day. I was taking it out on everyone because 496 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: I really wanted to put Pauls on Doc. So that 497 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 3: happened during the season, and then going into the playoffs, 498 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: something happened with me and James Harden where his mom 499 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 3: during her free throw. I don't know if I think 500 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: it was our last time playing at Houston or it 501 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: might've even been in the playoffs where I got suspended 502 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: from mouthing something to James Harden's bomb. She told me 503 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: to take my ass back to La and I didn't 504 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: know who it was. I didn't know it was James 505 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: Harden's bomb or nothing, to be honest with me, and 506 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: I mouthed, you know, and obviously I apologized for it 507 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: because I didn't know it was her, but I mouthed 508 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: something and kind of grabbed my crutch at her. 509 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: Not knowing who it was. 510 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: I'm just like, yoh, this lady's crazy telling me to 511 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: take my ask back to La who the fuck is it? 512 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: But I'm thinking in the moment of the game, I'm 513 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: just like, it's a crazy fan. 514 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: But after I'm thinking, I'm like, that's got to be 515 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: that's probably somebody's mom she sitting courtside behind the basket. 516 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 3: And start thinking to myself and then DeAndre tells me like, yo, 517 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: did you get into an incident with the lady today 518 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: tonight during the game? And I'm like, yeah, man, somebody 519 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: was talking crazy shit. And He's just like when my 520 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: mom already took me, I was just like, oh, okay, 521 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 3: who is lazy? Like He's like, it's James Harden's mom. 522 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, h fuck, no, is it really? 523 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? You know what I mean? 524 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: Because I'm not gonna disrespect nobody I was just you know, 525 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: I saw a fan talking crazy shit. 526 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I didn't. 527 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: I was at the freak the line, my hands crouched 528 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: over on my knees, kind of had my head. Hey, 529 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: people are yelling and screaming and I could still hear her, 530 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 3: you know, take your fast back to LA I'm like, yeah, Like, 531 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: who the fuck is this lady talking to so again. 532 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: Come to find out it's his mom. So after the game, 533 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 3: I try to apologize. He completely ignores me. The NBA 534 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: finds out, finds me, and then Doc tries to bring 535 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: it up. And I was already heated from the first 536 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: time he tried to call me out, so I wasn't 537 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 3: really trying to hear shit Doc had to say at 538 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: that point, So me and him got into another altercation, 539 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: I want to say, right before that round. So as 540 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 3: soon as free agent hit after we lost Houston, I 541 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: was like the first trade within like two minutes of 542 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: free agency. I think I was traded for Lance Stevenson 543 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: to Charlotte and then from Charlotte I ended up getting 544 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: able to get out of Charlotte and go to Memphis. 545 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: But as soon as the trade deadline hit. 546 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: I knew I was out because you know, Doc and 547 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: I had really really butted heads and it was gonna 548 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: get violent, and so I ended up getting traded. But 549 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 3: it was funny because the whole next season, the entire time, 550 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 3: these guys are calling me from bus rides. 551 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, we miss you. We even talking to Doc. 552 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: You know, you and Doc need a squash. You need 553 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: to come back. We need to run it back again. 554 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: And that never ended up happening. 555 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: Actually, that next season, Doc and I were supposed to 556 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: end up going to dinner and see if we could 557 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: squash it. And then I don't think we went to dinner, 558 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: but we did have a conversation. 559 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: We did squash it. 560 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: But then I want to say, they signed like Luke 561 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 3: Bob Mutag or some shit like that, and that was 562 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: kind of the end of it. 563 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that that Houston series was sort 564 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: of the funeral for the Lob City Clippers. Yeah, it's 565 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: it's really tough to come back from that. So you, 566 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: I mean a few years later, you end up winning 567 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: a championship in Golden State. You analyze the game. Now, 568 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: the golden question with that Clippers team was always, yes, 569 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: they're a good regular season team, but can they win 570 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: a championship. 571 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, the big. 572 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: Butt if you redo that season, you know ten times 573 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: over those playoffs. Do you think that it was just 574 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: unfortunate events that occurred or do you think there were 575 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: structural flaws in that in the construction of that team 576 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: and the relationships there. 577 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: I think there were some fractured relationships, but I think 578 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: we could have had some more real conversation. Everyone could 579 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: have kind of took a step back and realized, like, 580 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: what we have it Coulse, you never really know what 581 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: you have in the moment, you know what I mean. 582 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: And the one thing I saw when I left was 583 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: obviously we had a solid team, a star studed team 584 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: over there. 585 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: But when I went to Golden State and you see a. 586 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: Durant locker and a Curry locker, and a Klay Thompson locker, 587 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: and a Draymond Green locker and an Iguadala locker, and 588 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: you know that. 589 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: Steve Kurr is the coach. 590 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: But you come in and everybody's fucking with each other, 591 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: and they're really fucking with each other. 592 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: It's fun. 593 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: Like you want to come to work, You're excited to 594 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: go to work, and practice is normally we got to 595 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: go to practice. 596 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: But that environment over in Golden State was different. 597 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: Man, Like you enjoyed going to work every day because 598 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: the staff was cool. The training staff was cool. Everyone 599 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: fucked with each other. There was really no egos. And 600 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: I think I got in at the right time because 601 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 3: you know, like all these situations, you know, they started, 602 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: that team started getting fractured the following sperant, you know, yeah, 603 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: with issues the following season. So I kind of fell 604 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: into a perfect situation. But it really just kind of 605 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 3: made me ponder that that that Lob City team, it 606 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: just like, yo, this is a star study team. But yeah, 607 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: we had a really good team too, and it was 608 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: just I think, you know, there was too many We 609 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: were our own worst enemy and we couldn't get it 610 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: out of our way for the greater good of. 611 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: The team, and you know, we ended up losing. 612 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I don't know, I don't know. I 613 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 2: wouldn't really call it a what if. But I think 614 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: in ten twenty years we'll be looking back at those 615 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: rosters in fourteen fifteen and at least saying, like, how 616 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: did this team not even make a conference finals? 617 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 3: We were the I mean also too, you know, you 618 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: got to mention although the Spencer Hawes didn't work out 619 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: at Spencer on that roster, and then Big Baby, Big 620 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: Baby had flashes of greatness, like we had a really 621 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: we were ten eleven beat with legitimate NBA players with 622 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: a solid coach, and we couldn't get it done. 623 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: Crazy, What do you I mean, what do you just 624 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: think about that time of your life? Now when you 625 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: reflect back. 626 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: It was just a missed opportunity, you know what I mean? 627 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: You look back and you think about teams you played 628 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: on and opportunities you had, and you're more realistic with yourself, like, oh, 629 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: you know, we thought we were pretty good, but you know, 630 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things, so and so was better. 631 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: We probably wouldn't. 632 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 3: But I didn't really see quite as kept Like I said, 633 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: we were able to knock you know, the defending champs 634 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: out at home in seven games. We get up three 635 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: to one on the Houston team. We should close that 636 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: out and then we're going to play, you know, a 637 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: Golden State team that you know, although they we were 638 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: battling at the time, there was like a little mini rivalry, 639 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: you know, and familiar last thing we knew, right, the 640 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: last thing we knew, you know, we got them in 641 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: seven games the year before, so we knew, okay, it's 642 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: going to be a battle on that Western Conference Finals 643 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: against this young Golden State team and then ship we're 644 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: gonnaet to see Lebron in the finals. You mean, so 645 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: when you kind of go back and play it over, 646 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: I mean, that's how it kind of plays in your mind. 647 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: But you got to be able to exit the court 648 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: excute that shit on the court. 649 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: And you know, like you said, it started in that 650 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: thirteen to fourteen season with that Oklahoma City collapse and 651 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: then the following season that that Houston collapse, And I 652 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: agree with you. You know, that was kind of the 653 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: final nail in the coffin to uh Lob City. 654 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: I mean, luckily for you you did get that ring 655 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: a few years later, but I think for maybe some 656 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: other players on that team, like a JJ or a Blake, 657 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: that that was their chance. 658 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 659 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that to me to win it, to 660 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: win a championship with the Clippers, and I say this, well, 661 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: to respect, it would have meant more for me, you 662 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: know what I mean, because that was a team we 663 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 3: really took pride that. You know, the Clippers have been 664 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: a doormat in the league for a long time, and 665 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: we really took pride in coming. 666 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: To the Clippers. 667 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: And first of all, kind of you know, the Lakers 668 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: were down at the time, so we were taking advantage 669 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: of trying to beat the sh that a code when 670 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: the Lakers every single time. If you look at back 671 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: at some of those Laker Clipper scores during you know, 672 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 3: that two or three year run, we were destroying the Lakers. 673 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: So it's just like, okay, now we got to go 674 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: in and and and make noise in the playoffs. And 675 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, every year man we would we would, 676 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: we would self inflicted wounds, we would end up losing. 677 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: So you know, it's you look back at it now 678 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: like damn, what could have been? 679 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: But just kind of in what it is. 680 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: Is there is there good energy playing in Staple Center 681 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: as a Clipper. 682 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: At that time, there was because we were new. 683 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: You know, Lob City kind of took the league by storm, 684 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: you know, I mean we had the most exciting games. 685 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 3: We were sometimes beating the shit out of teams by 686 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: fifty points a game, and you're seeing crazy dunks, you know, 687 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: DeAndre dunking on Brandon Night and Blake doing whatever Blake does. 688 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: The CP marvel in the world, Jamal Crawford getting hot, 689 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: JJ getting hot, ME getting hot. You know, we just 690 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: had a fun team that really, you know, at times 691 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: looked amazing. Uh, but you know, there was just no carryover. 692 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: Why do CP and Doc complain so much to the refs? 693 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: I remember you because I sent you that like that 694 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: when you were at the Lakers. You sort of threw 695 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: some dirt and said, yeah, they're good, they're talented. Blake 696 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be fopping that much. They're complaining every time, Like, 697 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: did you ever say anything or did that continue when 698 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: you were there? 699 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: Because I mean I complained to the rest too, you know, 700 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: so it's sind of hard, you know the other team. Yeah, yeah, 701 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: I'm on here on the other team, you can kind 702 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: of take shots at them. But you know, I'm not 703 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 3: someone that is new to that either, But there were 704 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: times I felt like that for whatever reason, you know, 705 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: the rest were against us, you know what I mean. 706 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: Sometimes you get beat. Sometimes you're like, wow, all these calls, 707 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just like, you know, 708 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: but I mean, a restularly takes so much. You got 709 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: the coach on them, You got CP yelling every time 710 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: you know, you got Blake saying something, You got me 711 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: saying something. JJ would blow a casket every once in 712 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: a while, so our gasket every once in a while. 713 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: So it's just like, damn all that team doesn't complain, 714 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: But we also played hard. 715 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: You do play hard well. Lob City will definitely live 716 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: in the history books forever. It'll be a fun team 717 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: to revisit down the line. But MB as always, I 718 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: appreciate your time. We'll catch you on all the smoke. 719 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: We'll catch you on the Sacramento broadcast. Any any last 720 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: words for the people? 721 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: I think when I don't know, I've been thinking about this, 722 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: when the Clippers move to their new arena, they need to. 723 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: Drop the Clipper name and come up with the whole 724 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: new name. 725 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: I think they just need to get rid of that 726 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: Donald Sterling energy, even though he's long gone. Just the 727 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 3: name is synonymous with Sterling, you know what I mean. 728 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: So I think when they get a fresh start in 729 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: their own building, they need to change the team name 730 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: and get a fresh slate. 731 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say they gotta get They got 732 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: to go back to the blue and red too. I 733 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: don't really rock with these black and white jerseys. Bring 734 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: back the Q Rich and d Miles jerseys. 735 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, they need to do something. But no, man, 736 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: I appreciate it again for having me. Welcome to the 737 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: Showtime Basketball family. Man, I look forward to working with you. 738 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: Likewise, will catch them out on all the smoke. What's burning? 739 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: Tune into some Sacramento Kings games. 740 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: You ever gonna get in I'm active. 741 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're ever gonna get that ten day offer from 742 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: uh from the I'm done. 743 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, it was crazy. If I was I'll be 744 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: forty two in March. 745 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: If it was like three years ago, if I was 746 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: in my thirties still, I would have probably popped out 747 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: there and got a ten day. But I'm I'll pull 748 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: everything in my lower extremity if I try to get out. 749 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: There and play with these kids now. So I just 750 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: enjoy watching and coaching my kids. 751 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: And what's your what's your coaching comparison on the sidelines? 752 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: Are you like you like a pat Rod Oh, Greg 753 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: Pop fits you like a Steve Kerr like players? 754 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: At times, I'm a mix. 755 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: I'm a mix of Steve Kerr where I just sit 756 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: back and let you know, Steven Phiel that's one two. 757 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: They kind of sit back and let shit happen. I 758 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: let our team kind of figure it out. I don't 759 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: overreact when teams go on runs. I want the kids 760 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: to kind of figure out on their own. And then 761 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: sometimes I have to cuss some motherfucking reugh out because 762 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: he's bullshit. 763 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So I'm a little bit 764 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: of both. But I love it. 765 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: You know, I love seeing obviously my kids love what 766 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 3: they do and succeed. But also, you know, other kids 767 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: learning and soaking up game and really you know, learning basketball. 768 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: You know, learn that. The kids these days are so skilled, 769 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 3: but I feel like they lack the basketball IQ. So 770 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: I enjoy kind of teaching them, you know that the 771 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: real x's and o's and really understanding the game instead 772 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: of just going out there and playing it. So at thirteen, 773 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 3: you know, these kids are soaking up a lot of game, 774 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 3: and we got a really good team. 775 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: Man. So I definitely enjoy what I'm doing now. 776 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: So all right, MB, I appreciate you. All Right, We'll 777 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: catch you soon. 778 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: Thank you, no doubt, brow be good one. 779 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: That is it for this week. I hope you enjoyed. 780 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: That was Matt Barnes on the twenty fifteen Clippers be 781 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: sure to rate and review the pod if you are 782 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: enjoying it. We'll be back next week with another fresheet. 783 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: Check out Forgotten Seasons on Instagram and Twitter, Showtime Basketball 784 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: on all social platforms. Appreciate you tapping in. I'll catch 785 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: you next week.