WEBVTT - Introducing: Someone Knows Something 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.120 Hi is Sea Fishman from Orbit Media and what we 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:08.039 think of as our true crime Clubhouse. One of the 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:09.960 things we like to do with the Clubhouse is to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.800 introduce you to podcasts that we think you'll like podcast 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.520 besides those we produce which we know you love. This week, 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.759 we're sharing the first episode of Someone Knows Something from 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.160 the CBC for listeners who aren't familiar with the show. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.760 Someone Knows Something is an investigative true crime series by 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:34.599 an award winning documentarian named David Ridgein What Happens Is 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:41.360 each season, David investigates another unsolved case. So this season, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.239 which is season nine, he jumps into the case of 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:51.760 Christine Herron. Christine was a book loving teenager from Hanover, Ontario. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.880 She leaves for school in the spring of nineteen ninety 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:00.240 three and has never seen again. A suspect confesses to 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.800 killing her, but the case falls apart and no one 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.759 is punished. Then David teams with Christine's mother and they 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.560 investigate the case, at one point coming face to face 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.080 with the man who claims he killed Chrissy. You can 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.720 find all episodes if Someone Knows Something wherever you get 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:27.520 your podcasts. Okay, here comes episode one enjoy. Let us 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:41.679 know what you think at info at Orbitmedia dot FM. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.800 I'm out another river, this one flowing through a southwestern 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.320 Ontario town on a clear but darkening springtime evening. I 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.520 recorded these nature sounds well over a decade ago for 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.240 a TV documentary using the same microphone I now use 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.160 for the podcast. This thing always seems to be standing 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:10.000 between me and the unknown, somehow oddly comforting, just. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:16.040 Crouching at the riverside. Here a park and Hanover, Ontario. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.920 This is the Sagiin river, which the mouth of the 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.440 Sagi actually empties out into the Lake Huron. It's about 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:28.160 sixty kilometers downstream. I think the river's flowing clear, but 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.200 there's lots of debris kind of pushed against the shoreline. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:38.000 There's obviously a pretty high floodplain here. There's an old gazebo, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.920 a swing set, there's an old gate. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.880 I remember focusing on the sounds these things made. Here, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.960 chains on a swing, muddy logs at the high water mark, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.520 brushy grasses along the path, and that metal gate. I 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.120 wonder if these objects or the sounds they made, ever 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.919 held any actual comfort for anyone. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.919 At one time, this park was Christine Herron's favorite place 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.600 in the whole world. I have been told if i'd 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.840 been here before May eighteenth, nineteen ninety three, I might 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:24.000 have seen her down here catching frogs or fishing. And 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.160 nobody here today, just this path next to the river. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.640 The sounds I recorded here don't reveal any secrets, but 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.360 I feel pulled back to places like this again and again, 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:46.000 pulled back into long term investigations, their grief and the hope. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.440 Even after some questions have been answered, there's always more 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:56.600 and more difficult ones. Over thirty years ago, just one 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:03.600 week after her fifteenth birthday, Heron disappeared, and her full 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:08.680 story has yet to be told. I'm David Ridgin, and 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.680 this is someone Knows Something, Season nine, The Christine Herron Case, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:24.800 Episode one, Chrissy. I first learned about Christine in the 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.800 late two thousands as I was scanning through some of 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.640 the many unsolved cases out of Ontario. I was preparing 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.280 to make a documentary series for CBC Television's news program 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.719 The National. I sorted Chrissy's case into a much smaller pile, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.360 a shortlist of sorts, cases that for some reason spoke 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:44.640 to me. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.600 We gathered here this morning for a celebration of life 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.400 A Life of Christine Error. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.960 I'd learned that a memorial service was being held at 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.000 a church seventeen years after Christine disappeared, So I traveled 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.320 west to Hanover in the springtime of twenty ten. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.880 Let us bring loving God, look with mercy on those 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:18.200 who mourn for Christine, who has died by the violence 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.440 of our fallen world. Be with us as we struggle 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.159 with the mysteries of life and death. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.160 Framed photos of Christine in curly dark hair and glasses 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.440 sit on a small table at the front of the church, 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.320 next to the minister. There are others sad people whom 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.560 I assume are her family standing close by, including the 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:45.840 woman that I know is her mother, Mary Anne. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.480 Described by her mom as midical loader. Christine didn't have 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:52.119 a lot of close friends in our culture. Her loner 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.760 mentality meant that she was viewed as being different. She 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.440 wasn't someone who has hung. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.200 Up on appearances or who is doing with whom. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.560 This minister's words, his impressions of Christine filled me with 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.839 a chill of sadness. Tears suddenly rolled down my face 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.560 for this young person I'd never met, and right there 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.039 I decide that I'm going to do this case. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.440 This is the last place Christie had lived. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.679 I would take several more months of information gathering before 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.800 I contacted Chrissy's mother, Mary Anne. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.960 That front window was the living room, and that's where 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.120 her and I had spent the morning together watching television, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.320 with her laying her head on my lap. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.880 I've got mary Anne framed up in my documentary camera 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.120 on a cool, windy day, Pale skinned in glasses, with 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.560 meticulous makeup and shorter hair. Mary Anne stands in front 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.680 of the small brick to story she'd been renting back 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.119 in the spring of nineteen ninety three at the time 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.040 Chrissy disappeared. Mary Anne gestures to where she says. Chrissy 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.640 walked away from home that. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.520 Day and then she left to go to school. She 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.920 walked down the other side of the street and around 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:26.280 the corner, and that was the last I've seen of her. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.800 Mary Anne says. She watched from an upstairs window as 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.400 Chrissy turned the corner on the way. Mary Anne thought 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:37.040 to Grade nine classes at John Diefenbaker High School, not 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.800 that far away. It was sometime between one thirty and 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.960 two pm. Chrissy had not felt well that morning so 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.720 stayed home. She'd been known to skip classes and didn't 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.920 want to go to school that afternoon either. She and 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.600 her mom had argued about it, and mary Anne suggested 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.800 that perhaps Chrissy should get a job instead. Chrissy walked 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.960 down out, saying see you later, and slammed the door. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.440 She was wearing blue jeans, a jean jacket, black running shoes, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.400 plastic glasses with a broken nosepiece on one side, and 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.560 possibly a silver bracelet. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.240 She was in a good mood that morning, but she 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.880 was mad that she had to go to school. She 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.559 even we were in the process of packing and moving 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.280 to another place, and she says, well, even let me 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.760 stay home and I'll pack alled it all the times 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.640 did it go on that day? But I said, you 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:30.960 can't truant Officer's way. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.200 There were other tensions in the household at the time 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.720 as well. Chrissy had been deeply troubled by her parents' 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.480 divorce years earlier. Her father, Lorne, lived in Western Canada 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.880 at the time of Chrissy's disappearance and has since passed away. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.800 Chrissy got along with her younger brother named Sean, but 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.760 did not always see eye to eye with her stepfather, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.600 who was also named Sean. Sean Russworm, who was then 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.600 aged twenty six. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.040 She didn't like keeping a room clean. She's kind of 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:03.760 a tomboy. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.640 Yeah. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.160 Russworm is a large man in a T shirt sporting 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.640 a mustache and smudgy blue line tattoos on each shoulder. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.240 Back at their current home, he and Marianne are settled 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.480 into a couch. Two chihuahuas named Chloe and Angel sit 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:22.319 on their laps. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.240 As long as they behave that maybe they can stay. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.120 The best thing to do is to hand her to 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.960 you and let you hold her. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:36.280 There. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.319 Angel, see. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.040 Mary Anne hands me Angel the extra small one so 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.960 she can get used to me and stop barking. I 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.320 walk around the room a bit with the dog in hand, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.160 looking at some photos of Chrissy spread out on a 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.280 coffee table with a yellow lunch pail on her first 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.160 day of kindergarten, blowing out birthday candles in red ribboned 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.000 pigtails and Chris Stmas tree moments. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:03.360 I was gonna try something with. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:10.320 That light for okay, the dogs seem calm and we 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.040 start talking about Chrissy. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.600 I like to take stuff apart and. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.400 Her back together to see what made it work. She 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:26.760 loved kids, loved going for walks, into cricks, catching frogs 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:27.640 and what have you. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.280 I see Chrissy seeming to watch me through her big 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.559 glasses in the photos. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:35.920 I love those glasses. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:38.480 She hated them. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.679 There was times where other people would pick on her 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.959 younger brother, Sean, and then Chrissy be right there sticking 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.760 up for her brother. Chrissie was right there and punched 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.960 out a couple of boys that were picking on Sean. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.400 This was in public school already, so she could hold 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.960 her home and she was feisty and when she needed 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:01.160 to be. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.960 Sean admits that his relationship with Chrissy was sometimes strained, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.160 and he says that he is bipolar and sometimes can 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.160 be aggressive, But he says that one of his last 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.839 memories of Chrissy is her helping him replace the spark 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.160 plugs in his car. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.600 When we started to get closer, she'd come out to 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.480 the garage and asked me if she could use my tools. Yeah, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.680 they're right there if I go to help. No, no, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:32.080 she wanted to do it herself. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.760 But she wasn't one to go out to parties or 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.959 anything like that. Like she'd come home a couple of 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.680 times and said, well, they're drinking. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:40.959 So I left. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.520 She was against smoking, she was against drinking. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.439 She told her we were really proud of her for that. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:47.240 Yeah. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.400 She was close to her grandma, my mom, very close. Yeah, 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:54.840 they spent a lot of time together. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.400 We always had a good relationship for any reason. If 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.000 she just wanted to talk, she'd call me. She used 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.720 to spend a lot of time over there with me. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.199 Grandma Phillis socks at her home. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.880 And then when ninety three we moved to Guelf. That's 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.040 what upset me so bad, because I felt she if 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.920 she's out there, she's gonna try and reach me, because 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.960 she always did if she wanted something or other. And 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.760 and I thought, well, I move away, she won't have 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.400 my phone number, and that's upset me. And once I 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.520 moved away, I couldn't even look at her pictures anymore 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.880 for a long time. It really upset me bad. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:48.640 It says Grandma, It says Grandma Wild, Thanks all. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.280 Wild, Thanks Alley, Oh, I said. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:13:01.080 Grandma Christine sits around a Christmas tree with her family 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.719 in nineteen ninety I watched the grainy archival video as 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.160 she quietly makes sure that everyone has a gift to 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.080 open before she does. Then the footage shifts to a 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.560 Santa theme park and Christine's pretending to be a reindeer 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.840 in front of a big red sleigh, a mischievous strength 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.440 to her every move, just three years before she walks 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:22.559 off into oblivion. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.640 Whoh, I got an a sewing machine. I'm bringing her 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.800 out and letting her use it. She made an apron 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.319 the one time she was out and we'd baked and 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.040 we'd just play games. We always used to go do 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.480 worm hunting and picking water two and she'd go fishing. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.679 I just couldn't believe it when she disappeared and she 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:50.160 didn't call me. It's something you can't never forget. I 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.760 don't know, no matter what, you can't forget about it. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.719 Marianne reported Chrissy missing to Hanover Police Sat. Nine to 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.520 twenty one pm on the day she disappeared, May eighteenth, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.120 nineteen ninety three. Christy was known to have a poor 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.480 sense of direction and would get lost easily, But despite 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.560 this and her habit of skipping classes or sleeping over 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.960 at friends' houses, Marianne and others say that Chrissy would 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.520 always call home and never go far. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.920 When she didn't show home, I started phoning her friends 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.840 and my family just to see if maybe she went 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.560 to one of her friend's house after school or something. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.040 The story of Christine's case, at least in the beginning, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.440 is a familiar one. A teenager leaves home, supposed to 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:46.120 be somewhere school but never makes it. Local police investigatively inexperienced, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.200 finding nothing and flying in the face of what a 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.720 mother knows. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.040 And nobody had seen her or heard from her. So 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.880 then the family and I we started going out and 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.600 looking for her, looking in part in the area, just 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.400 to see, you know, if she was someplace else and 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:05.360 just hadn't come home. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:05.720 Yet. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.160 We had formed the police, and they said it was 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.680 too soon yet to do anything. What we actually got 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.000 from the Hanover police chief himself was that his daughter 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.000 runs away a lot, takes off for days, so mine 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.000 probably did the same thing. So she never showed home, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:28.080 and I sat up all night and waited for worried. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.800 I even had the feeling too all along that she 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.080 was down there by the park somewhere. I kept trying 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.360 to get them to search more, and the church and 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.600 I we even got together and formed our own search, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.400 and we wanted to search down there, and they wouldn't 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.400 let us. They made us go in the opposite direction, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:49.880 and the. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:55.640 Top police was very upset. Yes, when we set that up, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.720 they were not impressed that you had set up a search. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.920 Yes, yes, they didn't want the public to panic. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.960 We were told if we went anywhere near the park 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.640 that weekend, the very first weekend she disappeared, there would 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.920 be consequences and repercussions. Who told you that the. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:20.440 Police There had been an antique car show on at 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.680 the park that coming Victoria Day weekend, and police were 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.560 concerned about disrupting it. According to Mary Anne, the Hanover 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.240 Police and Fire department did eventually coordinate and conduct a 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.840 single search using volunteers on May twenty third, nineteen ninety three, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:43.320 five days after she disappeared. The search encompassed the Hanover Park, 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.920 the south shore of the Saugine River going east, and 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.040 the town water tower. No trace of Christine was found. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.880 I think everybody just wanted to believe she was a runaway. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.400 Nobody would actually think of her as something had happened 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.960 in a small town, not to their town. So everybody 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.280 just told us, no, she's a runaway. She'll come back 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.679 when she's ready. Even when we were putting up posters, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.680 people would take him down. They just didn't want to 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:12.160 believe it. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.200 The town police took them down. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.040 Yeah, but nobody would believe it. I actually got phone 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.960 calls from people, you know, stop making such a fuss, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:27.080 She'll come back. Yeah. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.600 Did you ever cast any suspicion or doubt suspicious of 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.639 people in town. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.240 Or anything ang of it? 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:39.000 Nope, Mary Anne and Sean didn't have any suspects, but 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.000 almost a year later they had to be ruled out 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.680 as suspects themselves. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.159 Yes, we all wear At one point they asked us 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.520 to take polygraphs, and I agree, just to rule out 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.600 being a suspect so that they would get on with 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.240 the case and find the person that did it. I 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.840 did it and willingly, knowing that it would clear me 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.960 and would help the case. Yes, I would do would 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.880 have done anything at that time. And you went through 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.440 two of them. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.920 I went through too. The first one was fairly basic. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.320 It didn't bother me too much. The second one was 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.960 at a very tense time in my life. My employer 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.440 at the time was on strike. In nineteen ninety nine, 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.800 I had the interview over at malfors ol Ppe station 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.960 and I believe it was October of nineteen ninety nine 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:38.040 and I was interviewed by one of their forensic people 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.240 from Kingston, supposed to one of their head people. It 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.080 was very, very intense. It's about a four to five 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.679 hour process, and they accused me in many different ways 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:58.720 of murdering Christine, strangling, rape, shooting her, drowning her, and 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.240 just everything they could pushed my buttons. What pushed my 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:07.959 buttons the most during this process. I know that they 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:13.960 were videotaping and recording the session. They mentioned that they 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.320 had Paul Bernardo in another room. They wanted to know 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:19.360 what my thoughts were. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.800 Paul Bernardo was a serial rapist and murderer in Ontario 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.919 in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. He and his 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:33.360 partner Karla Homolka horribly murdered two young women. Bernardo had 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.520 been arrested and jailed months before Chrissy disappeared, So using 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.000 his name here was a tactic to get Sean talking, and. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.639 With myself already being bipolar things that were going on 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.359 in my life at that time, I completely lost it. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.960 I jumped out of my seat. I seemed to remember 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.880 throwing a couple of things around. I just said, let 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.720 me add the son of a bitch, because only one 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.679 of us is going to walk out of the room alive. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:04.680 I completely lost control. They tried to calm me down. 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.359 I shut them off. All I had in my mind 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.600 was looking for Paul Bernardo and wanted at him, and 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.360 I wanted them dead. And that's the last I can remember. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.919 Russworm had been at work until three pm in Durham, Ontario, 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.040 at the time Christy disappeared, about a fifteen minute drive 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.680 away from Hanover. After work, he drove to Marianne's, where 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.720 he heard that Christine had left for school shortly before 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.840 he arrived. And what did they tell you about the 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.040 results of either of those polygraphs. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.440 That you took from that? I was clear, as far 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.480 as they've chriscerned, I had nothing to do with it. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.040 What they said they had to do what they had 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:49.160 to do to prove that I was not guilty. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.840 Sean and mary Anne did pass their first polygraph tests, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.640 according to documents, and neither was ever arrested or charged. 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.480 In Christine's case, Do I. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.320 Wish any to ever go through a process like that? No, 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.720 it's hell. It's not a very nice process. But they 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.760 did everything that they needed to do, and I commend 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.280 them for doing it. I just still wished that we 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.960 had something more could bring justice and bring Christine home. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.480 I did know before the night was over she was dead, though, 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.240 call it mother's intuition or whatever, I knew she was gone. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.080 There weren't many Christine heron news reports to look at 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.040 early on in my investigation items I could find. Talked 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.960 about the local Hanover police making no headway in Christine's case, 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.320 claiming even a year later that there was no evidence 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.639 of foul play. Even though Chrissy had left her house 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.719 without her id, any extra clothing, or the eighty dollars 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.159 in birthday money she had just received, police continued to 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.080 suggest that she was a runaway, that there were sightings 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.359 of her. Christine was in Toronto with skinheads who had 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.399 been seen in Hanover, she'd dyed her hair blonde and 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.960 shaved the side of her head, or she'd left home 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.919 to go live with her father Laura, out west, but 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:25.200 she never appeared there or Toronto, or was seen anywhere 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.280 else again. After May eighteenth, nineteen ninety. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:32.960 Three, Marianne and I spent a lot of time the 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:38.400 first six months to a year. We went to Kitchener, London, Toronto. 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.120 Where else did we go, dear, I can't even remember. 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.200 Even if police weren't looking for Christine, Marianne and Sean 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:49.800 were trying their best. 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.040 Every chance we had, going to places that we probably 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.639 we checked, shelters we went into. I'm not sure if 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.760 it's a halfway house or a drug house or what 0:22:58.880 --> 0:22:59.280 it was. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.639 The media would report on these supposed sightings of Chrissy 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.560 and help to generate more rumors and to make matters worse. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.919 According to Mary Anne, the few articles that were written 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.320 were often filled with inaccuracy. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.240 I found that whenever you tried to tell them something, 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.320 they twisted into something else. It was never what you 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.040 were trying to explain. They always just took bits and 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.560 pieces and made their own sentences. 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:36.760 It wasn't always the truth that we had said, so 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:42.399 it became frustrating and upsetting, to the point where we 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:44.560 just had to refuse to. 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:51.399 Speak from We were so scared of jeopardizing Christine's case 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.439 that we shut out all reporters for quite a while 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:56.680 until now. 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.520 I've kept most of the clippings for the newspapers all 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:11.679 these years, got those in somewhere, the posters. Yeah, typical girl. 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:13.040 Yes. 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.840 So do you think that there's a chance in this 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:19.680 case still or what's your aim? 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.439 The want to solved, justice and solved. 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:31.120 I think you're still a chance now. I hope, I 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:39.080 hope this will bring her home. We will do our best, working, 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:39.879 sure you will. 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.600 My panaver does not feel like home anymore. 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.000 She went missing us. It's not our home. 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.280 We had the same homeroom in grade nine, so the only. 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:03.680 Desk goes right beside her. 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.240 So that's how I met her and Finn there we 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.280 pretty much were like fast friends. 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.439 Like Kristine was very shy. 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.879 Cindy Galen McPherson, one of Christine Herron's school friends. 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.080 I mean, if you didn't know her, it took a 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.920 long time to kind of get to know her, and 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.000 a lot of people would like to pick on her 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.000 because she was really easy to pick on. How So, 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.439 if somebody said, well, why don't you go do this, 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.199 she'd go and do it because she wanted to be accepted. 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.680 People would like froll in a locker. 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.320 She'd just stay there until like we we're. 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.120 Gone, and I'd come and be like, okay, you can 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.640 get out now. She really wasn't once for conflict, either 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.600