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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have Bristol?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of things that are happening this morning.

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Speaker 1: So first we want to dig into some comments that

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Speaker 1: Brazil's president Lula made that are igniting firestorm over Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and how we should approach it and Russia and all

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Speaker 1: of that good stuff. So we will dig into all

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Speaker 1: of that. We also have listen, we haven't been talking

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Speaker 1: about it for a while, but the debtsy is fast approaching.

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy went to Wall Street to make his pitch,

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Speaker 1: which was kind of an interesting choice. We still don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of details about what the Republican proposal is,

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Speaker 1: so I'll give you all of.

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Speaker 3: That breakdown as well.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Hayley Weed last was it last week that her

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Speaker 1: sundraising members come out? We covered how Okay, it's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: Hall turns out she was lying about how much money

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Speaker 2: It totally cooked, using some.

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Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo is not running for president in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to break it to all of you,

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Speaker 1: We also have Elon musk Wang in on the threat

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Speaker 2: actually begin with the show. We wanted to talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about the global situation. They are two separate

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Speaker 2: parts here. First is how foreign leaders and a constant

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Speaker 2: theme of what we've been trying to discuss in recent

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Speaker 2: Ukraine the Ukraine conflict is being handled, but specifically many

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Speaker 2: is Brazil and the newly elected president Lula, who actually,

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Speaker 2: in a recent interview with CNN and other outlets in Brazil,

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Speaker 2: the President of Ukraine. He specifically goes ahead and says,

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Speaker 2: the United States. That is, the United States needs to

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, you can dispute the characterization, but

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Speaker 1: West leaders that represent an overwhelming majority of the world

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Speaker 1: share a very similar view to what Lula is articulating here,

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Speaker 1: but it's a view that is almost completely invisibilized within

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 2: It's just simply it's increasingly becoming not the case. Ye,

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Speaker 1: comes with benefits to have a unipolar world because part

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Speaker 1: We'll put that debate aside for another day, because what's

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I want to say before we

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Speaker 2: You could say whatever you want about Taiwan. You can

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Speaker 2: Instead, what happened is we had a global financial crisis,

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Speaker 4: A ton of money.

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Speaker 5: We're hearing about all these reforms and preparing for the

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Speaker 5: So I think that you said at the very beginning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is there a desire to put private capital

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Speaker 4: Order to rebuild it.

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Speaker 2: Already they've come out, what is the lindsay is going

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Speaker 4: Why not a trillion? To take a trillion.

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Speaker 2: Round even don't forget here the US Commerce Secretary, Biden's

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Speaker 6: The stakes haven't been this high in a long time.

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Speaker 6: We cannot let Russia prevail, and that means we have

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Speaker 2: The price tag has.

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Speaker 6: Grown to over four hundred billion dollars and that will

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Speaker 7: But we need you.

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Speaker 6: This has to be a public private partnership.

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Speaker 2: One year, two years, three years. When somebody tells you

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Speaker 2: They want to stay there, they want to stay there

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Speaker 3: Because it works so well here.

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Speaker 4: Apparently it works so well.

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Speaker 8: I suppose that you know, this principle of building back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they're want to be. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: If you don't consider Russia part of Europe, Like you

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Speaker 2: Just gonna overnight transform into some dynamic, rules based market economy.

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Speaker 2: What's more likely whenever countries come out of war which

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Speaker 2: have a longstanding, decade, centuries, frankly long history of corruption,

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Speaker 2: that they're going to become like an oligarchical state like

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Speaker 2: they're Russians who invaded them, or.

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Speaker 4: That they're going to become like us.

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Speaker 2: How did that work in Iraq whenever we invaded that country? Say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to try and change all

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Speaker 2: your traditions overnight and get rid of centuries of tribal

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Speaker 2: warfare and all this stuff, and you're going to become

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Speaker 2: like New York City, you know, in five years, because

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Speaker 2: we're going to throw a trillion dollars at you. It's

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Speaker 2: just I don't even know where this stuff comes from. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how am I the only guy who looks at this

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Speaker 2: and to be like.

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Speaker 4: This is ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Well, you do know where it comes from? A lot

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Speaker 1: of money to be made here. I mean we focus

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Speaker 1: a lot because it's the most obvious piece on the way.

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Speaker 1: The military industrial complex obviously benefits and profits anytime there's

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Speaker 1: a war anywhere in the world, but it's important to

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Speaker 1: understand there are other money making ventures going on underneath

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Speaker 1: the surface, and it's also an important to understand there

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Speaker 1: are other dynamics underneath the surface other than protecting democracy

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Speaker 1: and pushing back against Russian oligarchy and imperialism and all

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Speaker 1: of those things, whatever you think of that aspect as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, I found a couple of articles about the

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Speaker 1: push internationally from the IMF and other institutions to privatize

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and in particular their land and their agriculture and

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Speaker 1: open it up to foreign investment, which was a push

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Speaker 1: that was happening before this war started, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of telling. I found a couple of good articles, one

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Speaker 1: written by a Marxist ecoontomist and another one that let's

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Speaker 1: go and put this up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 1: from American Conservative, so obviously a right leaning publication.

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Speaker 3: Here the headline is black Horse, black Earth, and black Rock.

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Speaker 1: Part of what they lay out is there was a

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Speaker 1: moratorium on foreign land sales, and Ukraine, as we've discussed before,

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Speaker 1: is the bread basket of the world, incredibly fertile soil,

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Speaker 1: so there were a lot of multinationals who wanted to

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Speaker 1: be able to get into this market and be able

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Speaker 1: to profit off of it the IMF, they predicated there

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Speaker 1: as they do one of their loans on reforms that

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Speaker 1: included lifting this land sale moratorium, something that was ultimately

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Speaker 1: done under Zelenski in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Additionally, during this.

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Speaker 1: War, there's been basically a repeal of any and all

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Speaker 1: worker protections, also in favor of this sort of like

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Speaker 1: you know, rugged individualist style capitalism that we and our

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Speaker 1: global affiliated institutions push on countries routinely, so effectively. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of interest now in whenever the war's over,

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Speaker 1: being able to come in and do what companies have

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Speaker 1: been wanting to do in Ukraine for a very long

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Speaker 1: time and have been held off to some extent because

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Speaker 1: they had this land moratorium in place, and because there

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Speaker 1: was a huge if you looked at the polling, the

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Speaker 1: population was overwhelmingly opposed to this type of you know,

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Speaker 1: US style privatization that we forced on country after country

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Speaker 1: around the world. So you know, that's the backdrop here.

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Speaker 1: These are things that were unfolding and interest that capitalists

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Speaker 1: had in Ukraine long prior to this war, and Zelenski has,

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Speaker 1: you know, even before the war, been sort of a

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Speaker 1: partner in trying to you know, to privatize the country

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Speaker 1: and allow capital interests to come in and profit off

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Speaker 1: of what is there. When you saw Zelenski at Davos,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is like the backstory in the context

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Speaker 1: with which he goes to Davos, and Blackrock is very

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Speaker 1: involved here. They signed a memo of understanding stating there

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Speaker 1: they would play an advisory role in Ukraine's post war

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Speaker 1: economic reconstruction. So they've got their hands in the pot

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Speaker 1: as well. Listen, none of this negates, however you feel

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Speaker 1: about the Ukrainian conflict and what our role should be.

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Speaker 1: But it's important to have our eyes open about who

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Speaker 1: has an interest here, who has a profit motive here,

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Speaker 1: and how they may be manipulating things behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very important that you laid out

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Speaker 2: that way, Crystal, just about all of the ongoing stuff.

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean, these were huge stories in America

517
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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, like what we talk about Halliburton and

518
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Speaker 2: what was a Brown and Root and all of the

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Speaker 2: firms that were able to get like no big contracts

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Speaker 2: and the catering contract for bases in Afghanistan or all

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Speaker 2: these cigar reports. The Special Inspector General for Afghan reconstruction,

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Speaker 2: which you can go back and read about like one

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Speaker 2: gas station and we spent like two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: on I was like, why do people seem to think

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Speaker 2: that what's happened in Ukraine is in any way unique

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Speaker 2: in the history of the US post nine to eleven

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Speaker 2: world and corruption, Like, there's actually no reason to believe

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Speaker 2: that these institutions have sown somehow fundamentally change. In reality,

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Speaker 2: it's that people's willingness to ask questions about what's actually

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Speaker 2: going on has actually changed, unfortunately, And look, you know,

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Speaker 2: just like happening in those conflicts, eventually people will wake up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's turn to domestic politics here, because we're

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Speaker 1: inching ever closer to a potential debt default.

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Speaker 3: You'll recall when Kevin.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy was elected Speaker, he made all kinds of deals

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Speaker 1: with this sort of rump faction of dissenters. Some of

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Speaker 1: them had to deal with dramatic spending cuts that they wanted,

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Speaker 1: and he committed to using the debt ceiling as sort

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Speaker 1: of like a hostage taking tool in order to force through.

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Speaker 3: Some of these spending cuts.

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Speaker 1: The White Houses stood adamantly opposed to any of this,

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Speaker 1: saying they will only accept a clean debt sealing hike.

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Speaker 1: And it sort of had been quiet for a little

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Speaker 1: while about what exactly was going on behind the scenes. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy's making his big move this week.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday he gave.

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Speaker 1: A speech at the New York Stock Exchange in part

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Speaker 1: because last time there was a debt ceiling showdown, the

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Speaker 1: stock market tang because our credit rating was downgrade and

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Speaker 1: was kind of a disaster.

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Speaker 3: So he's basically going.

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Speaker 1: And begging Wall Street to not like Crater and to

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Speaker 1: be somewhat on his side and understand his point of view.

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Speaker 3: So he laid up some of the.

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Speaker 1: Kind of high level outline of what a deal within

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Speaker 1: the Republican Caucus might look like. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: how we presented things to Wall Street without exaggeration.

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Speaker 10: American debt is a ticking time bomb that will detonate

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Speaker 10: unless we take serious, responsible action.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's our plan.

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Speaker 10: In the coming weeks, the House will vote on a

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Speaker 10: bill to lift the debt ceiling into the next year,

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Speaker 10: save taxpayers trillions of dollars, make us less dependent upon China,

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Speaker 10: curve our high inflation, all without touching social Security and

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Speaker 10: medicare all.

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Speaker 1: Without touching Social Security and Medicare. I mean that was

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Speaker 1: sort of forced on them by Trump and then by

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. The State of the Union so interesting that

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Speaker 1: that's in there, but you'll note not a lot of

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Speaker 1: details fleshed down. And this is part of the problem

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Speaker 1: for the Republicans is they have this bare four person

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Speaker 1: majority in the House, so for yet about tangling with

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Speaker 1: the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: They haven't even figured out.

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Speaker 1: What their own caucus will support because you have, you know,

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Speaker 1: a pretty wide ideological variation between the most conservative and

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Speaker 1: the most liberal of the Republicans. You have to recall

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Speaker 1: part of how they were able to achieve this majority

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Speaker 1: was by winning some Joe Biden seats in New York

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Speaker 1: State in particular, which is where some of the sticking

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Speaker 1: points are going to be here, because those people, in

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Speaker 1: order to get re elected, really want to signal their

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Speaker 1: moderation that they're different than the rest of the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: They're not so hard line, So to get them on

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Speaker 1: board with something that's fairly draconian is going to be

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Speaker 1: very difficult. On the other hand, people in the caucus

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Speaker 1: who are saying I'm not going to vote for a

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Speaker 1: deat sealing hike at all. So he's in a very

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Speaker 1: you know, difficult situation just to try to bring his

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Speaker 1: own cause.

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Speaker 2: Dation gets back to the entire speaker fight. This man

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Speaker 2: should not be the speaker. He doesn't actually have credibility

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Speaker 2: with all of the parties who are involved.

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Speaker 4: Here's the truth.

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Speaker 2: The vast majority the Republicans are just going to vote

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Speaker 2: whichever way. They don't really care. There are only two

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Speaker 2: factions that really matter. As he said, the Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: you know, precarious Republicans who are in swing seats, and

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Speaker 2: then the hardline Freedom Caucus. If I'm the White House,

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Speaker 2: McCarthy is irrelevant. He can come and represent that middle faction.

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Speaker 2: But if I'm Joe Biden, you're gonna call in one

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Speaker 2: of the people from a swing seat who speaks for them.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna colline, uh McCarthy. And then you got to

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Speaker 2: callin Jim Jordan or some other chairman of the House

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Speaker 2: Freedom coxs and just say, like, all right, guys, mostly

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Speaker 2: start with Jim. Jim, what's the least what's the best

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Speaker 2: thing that you can possibly live with? He goes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's what I got. Here are the votes, he goes,

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Speaker 2: c you can you sign on to that? No, all right,

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Speaker 2: YouTube negotiate and then McCarthy, you're just gonna have to

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Speaker 2: vote for whatever.

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Speaker 9: It's.

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Speaker 2: That's why his speakership is a joke. Like fundamentally he

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Speaker 2: has no authority. He's coming before the New York Stock

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Speaker 2: Exchange and says we can pass making all these promises.

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Speaker 4: You don't have the authority to deliver on those promises.

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Speaker 4: And the Freedom Caucus people they know it.

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Speaker 2: You know, go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen from Axios, which describes exactly he's like my

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Speaker 2: plan to vote to raise a debt ceiling.

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Speaker 4: These are all words.

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Speaker 2: As you said, Crystal, there's actually a behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: effort right now to try and come up with some

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Speaker 2: sort of budget talk that they can release.

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Speaker 4: They have nothing. You know.

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Speaker 2: The internal scuttle butt here in Washington was that McCarthy

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Speaker 2: yesterday was supposed to deliver a budget. You know why

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Speaker 2: I didn't couldn't agree on that. Agree they agree on nothing.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I look at all this McCarthy, it's like we're all

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Speaker 2: playing this game where just because he's the speaker in name,

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Speaker 2: that we're supposed to like believe he's in charge, Like,

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Speaker 2: I really don't think he's in charge. I think the

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Speaker 2: Freedom Coccus really is the one who are in charge.

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Speaker 2: I think they would quote unquote shoot the hostage. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if the other people would. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a couple, only a couple of ways that this ends.

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Speaker 2: Most likely, it looks to me Seaquestration like something like that. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there can be a grand bargain to

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Speaker 2: use the Obama type thing. I don't think Biden would

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Speaker 2: be a fool to necessarily agree with it, and ultimately

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Speaker 2: it will come down to some like hostage standoff, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: seaquestration just looks like the most likely ones.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's going to be a resolve

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Speaker 1: because I mean, it seems like the White House, well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, they're happy to watch the Republican's twist

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Speaker 1: in the wind. This is a problem of the Republican

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Speaker 1: caucuses own making, and McCarthy is basically trying to bluff here,

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Speaker 1: trying to pretend like his caucus is unified behind one proposal.

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Speaker 1: But it's so obvious that it is not reality. When

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Speaker 1: you know, I scoured all the reporting about his supposed

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Speaker 1: plan and read a speech and you know, read the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post reporting and Accius reporting whatever. There are no

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Speaker 1: details here, no details. And that's the only way that

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Speaker 1: he has been able to keep his caucus from having

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Speaker 1: some sort of a total revolt, either on the right

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Speaker 1: wing side or on the moderate side, or potentially of

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Speaker 1: both sides by basically saying nothing about what will actually

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Speaker 1: be inside of this deal.

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Speaker 3: So the White House is calling as bluff.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, no, you know, you tell us what your

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Speaker 1: proposal is and then we can talk. That has been

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Speaker 1: their position the whole time. It's like, you don't even

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Speaker 1: have a proposal to bring us, so you're saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got to negotiate, like negotiate against what. You don't

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Speaker 1: even have something that you're specifically suggesting here to mention.

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Speaker 1: The White House has also been very hardline about, like, no,

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Speaker 1: we're going to we appropriated this money.

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Speaker 3: The time for.

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Speaker 1: Debate about what we're going to spend and what we're

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Speaker 1: going to cut and what our priorities are was when

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Speaker 1: we were passing those spending bills, not now, when we're

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Speaker 1: just trying to like maintain the full faith and credit

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Speaker 1: of the United States and not have some complete meltdown

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Speaker 1: at a time when the economy is incredibly precarious.

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Speaker 3: So that's their position.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that McCarthy's bluff here going to

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Speaker 1: Wall Street and beg and the traders to back him

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Speaker 1: really worked out. Put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It gives you a little bit of a sense of

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Speaker 1: where some of the sticking points could be. This is

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Speaker 1: the White House's response, They say, as President Biden continues

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Speaker 1: to fight against inflation, mega Republicans in Congress or trying

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Speaker 1: to take our economy hostage unless we got programs that

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Speaker 1: lower costs for hardworking Americans. So you can see they

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Speaker 1: are certainly sticking to their guns. Put the Politico piece though,

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This just gives you a sense

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Speaker 1: of one of the many fights that are going to

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Speaker 1: unfold within the Republican cock. So one of the specific

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Speaker 1: things that McCarthy is looking at is cutting the food

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Speaker 1: stamp program, expanding the age bracket for people who have

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Speaker 1: to meet work requirements, closing what Republicans say are quote

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Speaker 1: loopholes and existing restrictions, but basically cutting snap and the

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Speaker 1: number of people who will who will benefit from the program.

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Speaker 1: Now you might think, because there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: Republicans who are on board with cutting that program, that

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Speaker 1: might be something that's less controversial.

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Speaker 3: It's actually not true.

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Speaker 1: There's already key to defections, in particular among that group

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Speaker 1: in New York State that represents more swing or moderate

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Speaker 1: districts where they're very they don't like this proposal. They're

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Speaker 1: very worried about what it would do to people in

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Speaker 1: their districts who have already seen, you know, all the

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Speaker 1: additional pandemic aid cut off, already struggling with inflation, already

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Speaker 1: struggling to afford food, and they're saying, Okay, at a

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Speaker 1: time when we have high grocery prices, you're going to

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Speaker 1: cut off this bit of aid that they're ultimately getting.

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Speaker 1: So even this program, which you might think would be

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Speaker 1: uncontroversial within the Republican caucus, even this cut is controversial.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean this is where it just comes down

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Speaker 2: to the details and just why.

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Speaker 4: Look, the Freedom Caucus in them want cuts to Medicare

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Speaker 4: and Social Security.

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Speaker 2: They don't agree crystal with what the Republican leader is saying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then the other ones don't want it.

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Speaker 2: So there are a couple of ways, as I said

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Speaker 2: it could lay out see frustration. In my opinion, is

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Speaker 2: the most likely for those who don't know what that

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Speaker 2: is is basically across the board haircut to the entire

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Speaker 2: federal budget. That's what happened during the Obama years, because

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Speaker 2: once you start negotiating to cut from one thing and

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Speaker 2: the other one, well, then everybody says that your you know,

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Speaker 2: playing favorites. The easiest way, it's just cut across the board.

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Speaker 2: The other way which would make it McCarthy look like

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Speaker 2: a fool, is if he basically just brought it to

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Speaker 2: the floor and let the Democrats come and save him

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Speaker 2: to vote for a budget which was more moderate. But

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Speaker 2: that also would negate any power that McCarthy really had.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget about the motion to vacate, which allows

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Speaker 2: any member.

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Speaker 3: Of the end of speak.

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Speaker 2: It would be the end of his speakership. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: would he be willing to sacrifice his speakership for the

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Speaker 2: global economy. They are enough narcissists they definitely would rather

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Speaker 2: say speakership then actually do what would be best for

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Speaker 2: all of us. So I don't know, I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: all this. We've got seven weeks to go. I guess

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Speaker 2: they could mint the coin, but apparently they've already ruled

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Speaker 2: that out, and there are legal challenges with minting the

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Speaker 2: coin as well. Good luck. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other I mean, there are some other potential loophole workarounds,

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Speaker 1: you know. One is this legal theory that since Congress

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Speaker 1: is basically sending the President two separate sets of instructions,

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Speaker 1: one that's like, spend this money and the other that's like,

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Speaker 1: don't spend this money, that they basically it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like a jump ball in the White House, can basically

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Speaker 1: choose which of those directives to follow. That's one legal

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Speaker 1: theory of the case. Mint the coin is another legal

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Speaker 1: theory of the case. There are a couple other ideas

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Speaker 1: floating out there of like loopholes to get around this

753
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Speaker 1: whole debt ceiling nonsense which shouldn't exist and like as

754
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Speaker 1: a weird relic to start with and is only now

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Speaker 1: used for hostage taking tactics or the Republican Party to

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Speaker 1: force through things that they can't achieve with their majorities

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Speaker 1: or their lack thereof.

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Speaker 3: But I really don't know how this resolves.

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Speaker 1: I'm not so I'm not sure as confident it ends

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Speaker 1: in sequestration, as you are. I have a feeling that

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Speaker 1: Biden white House is actually going to take a harder

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Speaker 1: line on that than the Obama Biden white House is

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Speaker 1: really crazy.

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Speaker 3: Did and yeah, So I genuinely don't know how.

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Speaker 1: This is going to get resolved, but I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: all just got to wait and find out.

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Speaker 4: It'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 4: Here's the number one rule.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, don't sell when the market tanks.

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Speaker 4: You should buy more. But that's not financial advice.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying though objectively, that's how it worked out

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Speaker 2: for people in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to this. This is a funny one

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Speaker 1: and very revealing as well. We reported last week Nikki

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Speaker 1: Haley was touting her eleven million dollar fundraising hall, you know,

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Speaker 1: putting herself in contention for the GP nomination.

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Speaker 3: Well turns out that it was a bit of a

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Speaker 3: far put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So they say she touted eleven million dollars raise since

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Speaker 1: she launched in February. Saturday filing show she double counted

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Speaker 1: across various committees, making transfers to one another, and only

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Speaker 1: brought in about five million into her main campaign committee. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you count all of her committees up, I think

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Speaker 1: it was like eight million dollars, but it was still

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Speaker 1: less than the eleven million that they touted. And they

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Speaker 1: achieved this through some very creative accounting. You might also say,

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Speaker 1: just like fraud, which is not fraud, not accounting fraud,

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Speaker 1: but like, you know, fraud to the American public in

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Speaker 1: terms of lying about what the actual numbers were. But

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Speaker 1: they just moved the money around and then they account

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Speaker 1: the money that was in the account and also the

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Speaker 1: transfer to the other account. That's how they came up

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Speaker 1: with this eleven million dollars, which I mean, it sort

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Speaker 1: of shows you how desperate she is to be taken seriously.

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Speaker 1: And the one area where she should be able to

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Speaker 1: really perform is on fundraising. Because this is someone who's

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Speaker 1: been cultivating a large donor network for a lot of

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Speaker 1: years now. The fact that she can't even hold up

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Speaker 1: her end of the deal on the fundraising front is

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Speaker 1: not a great sign for.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's humiliating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Because the other thing I always never really understand

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Speaker 2: with these financial chakaneries is do you think that nobody

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Speaker 2: is going to be able to read like, initially sure,

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Speaker 2: well to you know, the press release, everyone was like,

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Speaker 2: oh wow, eleven million dollars, that's a lot. But all

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Speaker 2: it takes is one guy as it did here to

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Speaker 2: just look at the actual filing. You see filing and

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Speaker 2: be like, hey, wait, this is bullshit. You just used

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Speaker 2: a joint fundraising thing to carry over. And actually, whenever

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Speaker 2: you use the carryover, your fundraising hall is not only bad,

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Speaker 2: it's like mid as, it's as mid I guess as

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Speaker 2: it gets to borrow some gen z slang, and you

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Speaker 2: are not working out. It's not working out so well

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Speaker 2: for you with your overall fundraising numbers. So I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't even know why you try and pull the trick.

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Speaker 2: What's the point?

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Speaker 1: Campaigns front run their numbers all the time, put out

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Speaker 1: press releases, try and spin them in the most positive way.

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Speaker 1: You know, the crunch the number and we have thousands

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Speaker 1: of small dollar donations, and you know, put out what

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Speaker 1: otherever talking points they want about their fundraising numbers, and

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Speaker 1: obviously they're meant to create a certain impression of the campaign,

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Speaker 1: either that it's you know, grossroots funded, or that the

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Speaker 1: overall number is really eye popping and impressive.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I have never seen anyone try to like just

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Speaker 1: basically lie in those press releases because you're literally gonna

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Speaker 1: get caught in a week's time.

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Speaker 3: So it never.

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Speaker 1: Occurred to me when we were reporting on what she

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Speaker 1: was claiming, she raised to be like, yeah, we'll wait

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Speaker 1: and see if that's actually the number, because I've just

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Speaker 1: never seen a campaign so shamelessly try to spin and

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Speaker 1: inflate that number in a way that to your point, Soccer,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get caught. It's all gonna be public in

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Speaker 1: just a matter of days. So like, not only does

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Speaker 1: it call in to question her honesty and integrity, yes,

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Speaker 1: it also calls.

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Speaker 3: Into question judgment.

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Speaker 1: I'm reminded of Elizabeth Warren with the whole like DNA

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Speaker 1: blood chests thing that.

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Speaker 3: She did wherever.

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Speaker 1: It was like, this is bad, and also like the

847
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Speaker 1: whole thought this was a good idea.

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Speaker 3: This just completely calls.

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Speaker 1: Into question whether you have the kind of judgment or

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Speaker 1: character that it would take to lead the country.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's sort of similar vibes here from Nicki Hayley.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't even know how she possibly can

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Speaker 2: think that this is going to work out for her

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Speaker 2: exactly I mean, you know, at the same time, also,

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Speaker 2: it's not working out for her. That's really what the

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Speaker 2: answer is. Put this up there on the screen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't take a genius. People, Nicki Haley four percent.

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Speaker 2: She's behind Ron DeSantis, a man who literally is not

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Speaker 2: in the race, and she's behind another guy named Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence who is also not in the race.

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Speaker 1: So and none of whom is close at all to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump right point.

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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump is a fifty three percent and outright majority,

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Speaker 2: which almost belies the point as to why all of

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Speaker 2: the people underneath that name are completely almost basically irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: Now at this point, I don't know, maybe I'm just crazy,

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Speaker 2: you know, looking at this, I can't imagine what exactly

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Speaker 2: your real case is here. And I think that's why

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Speaker 2: I want to give props to Mike Pompeo.

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Speaker 4: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Not words that I've heard out of your mouth before,

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Speaker 3: I ever heard it.

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Speaker 2: Before, it never will again. He says he's not going

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Speaker 2: to run for president. This isn't our moment, you know.

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Speaker 2: I actually think it's good and we should applaud whenever

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Speaker 2: these people who are mostly narcissists can objectively just look

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Speaker 2: at the situation and be like, you know what, America,

878
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: it's not calling out for Mike right now, Mike twenty

879
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: twenty four.

880
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: That's not what people want, and that takes It's hard.

881
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: You know, when you're in a position like this, you've

882
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: been in a public office, You've got all these billionaires

883
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: in your ear about why it might work out for

884
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: you and all of that. But at the end of

885
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: the day, he came down and he just said, look,

886
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: I care about America. I've been thinking about this. If

887
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: things matter, but this just isn't our moment. He's right,

888
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: and I think we should applaud people whenever they bow

889
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: out of the race and they're like, it's not for me.

890
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna waste everybody's time.

891
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm not going to waste billionaire's money time or billionaire's

892
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: money and my own personal time, my family and all

893
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: of this and dragging him through something which isn't going

894
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: to work. There's only one guy who possibly could my work,

895
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. Even then, I think the chances of that

896
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 2: are very low, but the only one with a real,

897
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: actual credible shot. Everybody else like, you're wasting air and

898
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 2: you're wasting other people's money.

899
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

900
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was interesting that he had that recognition.

901
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the man has a terrible, I think I

902
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: would even say evil ideology when it comes to foreign policy.

903
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: So I'm very glad to see him not making that

904
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: case in this race. He's the type that you know

905
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: he'll be a dissenter from Trump, but like on all

906
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: the wrong things, like the few good things that Trump

907
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: would do in foreign policy, it would be like the

908
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo's and the John Boltons of the world to

909
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: be like, no, actually we should have gone to war

910
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: with the run or whatever. So okay, so that's Mike Pompeo.

911
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: He also he wouldn't endorse Trump when he decided not

912
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: to run, but he said, I think Americans are thirsting

913
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: for people making arguments, not just tweets.

914
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: So again, it's this sort of like passive aggressive hit

915
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: on Trump, which I don't know, I don't get it.

916
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: He wouldn't rule out endorsing Trump, right, but he would

917
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: take you took this little.

918
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: Jab at him.

919
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: So again, I just think it's so interesting that people

920
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: think that they're going to be able, that anyone's going

921
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: to be able to defeat Trump when no one is

922
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: even even people aren't even in the race anymore, aren't

923
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: even willing to really directly criticize him or say that

924
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: they wouldn't back him for president.

925
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I think you're right, Crystal.

926
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: At the same time, we got some news about the

927
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: current president and whatever is going on with his presidential campaign.

928
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: To be let's put this up on the screen from.

929
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: The New York Times.

930
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: They had a big deep dive into the machinations behind

931
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: the scene in Biden world. This is Shane Goldmacher. He

932
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: says new Biden twenty twenty four planning has accelerated amid

933
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: conflicting signals on what quote relatively soon means a four

934
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: to twenty five video announcement video the anniversary of his

935
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen entry has been discussed, but some way benefits

936
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: of delay.

937
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: If you read through this piece.

938
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Basically, the big concern among his aides over how early

939
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: he should launch is they're worried about whether he can

940
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: handle the scrutiny and the grueling nature of running for

941
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: president again. And so part of the reason why this

942
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: has been pushed off and off and off. HM, we

943
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: are supposed to be like during the holidays, and then

944
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: it was going to be early in the year, and

945
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: then apparently it was going to be April twenty fifth,

946
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look particularly look like it's going to

947
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: be April twenty fifth now, given that they have not

948
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: even picked a campaign chairman yet, someone to run this campaign.

949
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: They have not even settled on at this point or

950
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: even the top level team. So it looks like most

951
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of the concerns are what you would kind of expect.

952
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: That he is not at the top of his game.

953
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: He makes a lot of gaffs. Whatever he is in

954
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: front of a camera, they try to keep him hidden

955
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: as much as possible. He does very few interviews, very

956
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: little interaction with the press. And then it's also, you know,

957
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: it's very challenging being out on the presidential campaign trail.

958
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: He really got lucky less time around by the fact

959
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that the pandemic made it acceptable for him to never

960
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: leave his house. Not going to have that excuse this time.

961
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: The expectation is going to be once you press, once

962
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: you you know, say, go on the presidential campaign, that

963
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: at the very least you're gonna be working the donor circuits.

964
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: You're right, So yeah, they're worried about whether he can

965
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: actually handle this and trying to condense the amount of

966
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: time that he actually has to manage running a campaign.

967
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: I just don't know how it can possibly work now,

968
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Like you have to be in it if you're going

969
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: to go for it, and there's this long standing caution

970
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: is just really odd. But it also makes sense whenever

971
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: every single time that he is out there, every single

972
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: time that he has an event or any of that,

973
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: he just always is sticking his foot in his mouth,

974
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: which is why they want him to shut up and

975
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: not even be out on the campaign trail right now.

976
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: The latest example is saying that we're going to quote

977
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: lick the world. Take a listen, So thank you all,

978
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: God bless you all.

979
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 9: Let's go, let's go lick the world. Let's get it done.

980
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: What are you saying? What's happening here?

981
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: You know? And I talk to people who like to

982
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: a Biden, who appreciate a lot of what he's done,

983
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: and everyone's just like, yeah, he's just really old man,

984
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: he's you know, and people people always got uncomfortableen they

985
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: discuss it. They're like, I appreciate him, I like what

986
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: he's done, but you know, in hush tones. People will

987
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: say things like, you know, when old people just really

988
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: reached that point where they're kind of cranky all the

989
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: time and they're not listening. It's just very clear anybody's

990
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: ever interacted with an elderly citizen knows exactly what's going

991
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: on here, and they say weird stuff. And it's one

992
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: of those where it's like, if you was really behind

993
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: the wheel of a car and you were in the backseat,

994
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: would you be one hundred percent certain that you were

995
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: in good hands if this was your uber driver.

996
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: No, I think everyone knows that. Now.

997
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: Look, I'd be looking in the rear view mirror to

998
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: make sure he's yeah, exactly.

999
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: The whole time. You'd be like, you know, oven lanes here,

1000
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: like you got your neck all the way over just.

1001
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: To make sure.

1002
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 3: You never know, right, And like that does abers.

1003
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: Before anyone who has been into their grandparents car or

1004
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: something like that.

1005
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about.

1006
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: And this is the issue, which is at the same time,

1007
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: he's a credible he's the current president of the United States.

1008
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: He's got a very credible case for winning, especially visa

1009
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: VI Donald Trump and his own worst enemy is himself.

1010
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: I've always just think that.

1011
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: The oddest thing about Biden is that it's not about

1012
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: him at all. It really is just about Trump. He

1013
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: is just the anti Trump, but he's still not the

1014
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: main character, even though it's his own presidency, and that

1015
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: is dramatically to his political benefit, which is just strange.

1016
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: The one thing for an American president, the one thing

1017
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: you can say in his favor or potentially in his

1018
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: team's favor, is they kind.

1019
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: Of understand that.

1020
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do.

1021
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: In that New York Times article, they say the Biden

1022
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: campaign in waiting is expected to be built around one

1023
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: of the president's favorite political sayings, quote, don't compare me

1024
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: to the almighty, compare.

1025
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: Me to the alternative.

1026
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: The subtext there, of course, being like, listen, y'all might

1027
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: not love me, but come on, this guy over here,

1028
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Trump with his like you know, January sixth and stuff,

1029
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: the steal and probably multiple indictments by the time that

1030
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: this is all said and done, you really want that

1031
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: dude back. That's their whole pitch, that's their whole concept

1032
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: of what this campaign will be about. And it always

1033
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: has been. I mean, that was really the pitch last time.

1034
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: Ron Klaine laid it out very clearly when he was

1035
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, Emanuel Macron getting reelected with like

1036
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: a thirty percent approval rating, He's like, Oh, interesting, how

1037
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: you can pull that off if your opponent is someone

1038
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: that the public likes even less than the person who

1039
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: holds the position of power. To the point of the

1040
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: fact that there are internal concerns about how he'll be

1041
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: able to handle another presidential campaign. They say in that article,

1042
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: if mister Obama had soaring oratory and mister Trump had

1043
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: concert like rallies, mister Biden's advisors feel his strength is

1044
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: his governing ability and projection of competence. Major eyebrow raise

1045
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: for me on that one. Spending time on the campaign trails,

1046
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: with its unscripted moments, introduces the risk of age related mishaps.

1047
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: Is the very full wording here from the New York Times.

1048
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: Our friend Chuck Roache had a quote in this piece.

1049
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: He says, the longer he waits, the less scrutiny he's under.

1050
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: You have to measure that against creating momentum in these

1051
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: states that will matter. You've got to build infrastructure, because

1052
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: that's the balancing act. On the one hand, you don't

1053
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: really want him out there on the campaign trail.

1054
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: You don't really want him having.

1055
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: To fly across the country and work the donor circuit

1056
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: in San Francisco or you know, up in New York

1057
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: or Texas or wherever you're going to go, because this

1058
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: is not someone who has any sort of demonstrated grassroots

1059
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: fundraising ability, So you have to do it the old

1060
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: school fly around and work the donors and flatterer their egos,

1061
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: all of which is very time and labor intensive. So

1062
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: there's that concern that you don't really want him having

1063
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: to do those things. Weigh against the fact that listen,

1064
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: campaigns take time to build. It takes time to raise

1065
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: that money, it takes time to build momentum, it takes

1066
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: time to build out your organization, and as of now,

1067
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: they don't even have someone who is running the campaign today.

1068
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: So it's an extraordinary statement on you know, the level

1069
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: of confidence that his own team has in his ability

1070
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: to handle this. And I think you're right Sager that

1071
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: the general sentiment from Democrats and not even from the

1072
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: general public, is like they have a lot of affection

1073
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. They appreciate his time with Barack Obama,

1074
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: they appreciate that he was able to defeat Donald Trump,

1075
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: and they would prefer that it be someone else next

1076
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: time around.

1077
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, no, that's really what the predominant feeling is.

1078
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: But you know, they've bocked themselves in a position where

1079
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: they don't really have anybody else.

1080
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 4: Who are you going to the guy who can't.

1081
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: The least most unpopular vice president in modern American history,

1082
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: or the guy who melted down American air travel for

1083
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: two years? Like you don't have a very credible case. Yeah,

1084
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: for outside of it, that's a difficult spot for them

1085
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: to be in. And look, it's obviously of their own making.

1086
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: And I also think that Chuck is correct about balancing

1087
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: the infrastructure point where look, Trumping lost by thirty thousand votes.

1088
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: Like this, it's not a game, you.

1089
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: Know, whenever you're running for president, if you believe that

1090
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: it is is the existential threat that you constantly say

1091
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: on the campaign.

1092
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: If you believe that that, you should be working very

1093
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: very to do that. But you're not. You're actually kind

1094
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: of lazy.

1095
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: You just sit in the White House going to Dublin

1096
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: for literally no reason, you know, to celebrate the Good

1097
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Friday Agreement, I guess, and to meet with the UK

1098
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. It's like, all right, like what are you

1099
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: really doing for people? Like, what are you actually working

1100
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote hard Like most people barely even think about

1101
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: the president. To some extent, that's a good thing for

1102
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: him because they're thinking about Trump.

1103
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: But I don't really think that's how things should be.

1104
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: And most people, I think agree that they don't want

1105
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: to have a president in this strange position where their

1106
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: only extent that they support him is just because they

1107
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: don't like somebody else. Yeah, almighty quote was right on

1108
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: the money.

1109
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is why, in spite of the

1110
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: fact that Marian's been like completely invisibilized by the mainstream press,

1111
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: why she's at fourteen percent in battleground states and over

1112
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: twenty percent with young people, because people are like, they

1113
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: want another option, and you know, she's blowing up on TikTok,

1114
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: as Ryan Grim reported, So there is a hunger for

1115
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: something different. But of course got to weigh that against

1116
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: the fact you've got an incumbent president and they're going

1117
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: to bring every force to bear to try to guarantee

1118
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: he's phenomenee. And you know, we'll see what happens in

1119
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: the general election.

1120
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: Yes, certainly, all right, let's talk about AI regulation. This

1121
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: is a really important one. Been talking about thinking about

1122
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: it a lot. And there's a new poll actually that

1123
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: came out the kind of ignited and why we want

1124
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: to talk about. Let's put this up there on the screen.

1125
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: The share of Americans who quote strongly or somewhat support

1126
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: a pause on the development of advanced AI to regulate

1127
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence all adults fifty six percent. Weekly AI users

1128
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: is actually sixty four percent.

1129
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.

1130
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: Not AI users is fifty two percent aware of AGI

1131
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: or the singularity sixty five percent. Now, look, obviously, I

1132
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: think it's going to be a pretty small slice of

1133
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: Americans who even use AI on a weekly basis. I

1134
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: guess I would count myself within that. I play around

1135
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: with ch hat GPT every once in.

1136
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: A while, but it believes that uncommon weekly AI.

1137
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1138
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: I would say, what do people think? Let's guess before

1139
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: we actually look up the real numbers. I'm gonna say

1140
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: ten million, ten million, which seems actually kind of high

1141
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: if you think about all students, high school students, casual

1142
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: users like us.

1143
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I put it higher than that.

1144
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: You think higher than ten million.

1145
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say twenty million.

1146
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so somebody google it, Matt control Room,

1147
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: google it.

1148
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 4: Give me a nums while I'm talking.

1149
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So at the same time, Elon Musk,

1150
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: let's go and put this up there on the screen,

1151
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: has been and has been publicizing that he agrees that

1152
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: AI quote will hit people like an asteroid, and says

1153
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: that he actually used one of his meetings with President

1154
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: Obama to urge regulation. But I think all of this

1155
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: comes back to a question of what kind of regulation.

1156
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this one for a while. I

1157
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: listened to a couple of podcasts with Lex Friedman and others,

1158
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: people who have been thinking about this deeper than I have,

1159
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: and I've come around to where I think the Internet

1160
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: went wrong is that we never had an idea of

1161
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: what the Internet was going to be. We had a

1162
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: promise of free speech, of freedom, of lack of centralization

1163
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: and all that, but eventually the same market forces that

1164
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: took over the US economy came to dominate the Internet.

1165
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 2: So to prevent that, I would say, let's establish some

1166
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: first principles and allow dynamic regulation to happen within those

1167
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: first principles and not rewrite them again in the future

1168
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: and try to grapple with the impacts of having them

1169
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: go away. To me, pro human that's actually number one, yes,

1170
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: but defining that is incredibly difficult. I don't know what

1171
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: that means. And also does it even matter, because do

1172
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: American regulations matter when China has its own quantum computing

1173
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: in its own AI industry and they don't care about

1174
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: any of that. But to me, if I could wave

1175
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: a magic wand and where I think good AI regulation

1176
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: pro human as in AI should be coded and should

1177
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: have principles embedded within it to the extent that humans

1178
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: can impact it in the parameters, which by and Lars

1179
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: Emosa can right now. Whenever they're programming. It should be

1180
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: to the benefit of humankind. Should not be to try

1181
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: and supplant humans. Should be a tool like email or

1182
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: something that we use to enhance our experience rather than

1183
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: to supplant our experience.

1184
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: That would be number one.

1185
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Number two, at least here in the United States and

1186
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: hopefully in the Global West, is lack of editorialization, as

1187
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: in do not allow hardcoded political correctness, as we've seen

1188
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: in chat GPT to bias certain topics against certain other ones.

1189
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: You have to have genuine intellectual freedom in the way

1190
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: that these AI bots and others that are going to

1191
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: shape the way that people think in the future, be

1192
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: able to surface all information and to simply make and

1193
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: again use it as a tool such that we can

1194
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 2: make up our minds ourselves. So chat GBT right now,

1195
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: as all this political correctness is all this stuff baked

1196
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: into it, people want to write wing alternative.

1197
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't want to write wing alternative.

1198
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: I just want to I want something that has no

1199
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: bias in it whatsoever, as scary as that might be.

1200
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: Although you know, maybe we need a little bit of.

1201
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: A dose of reality. So those are really the only

1202
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: two crystal that matter the most to me. Number three

1203
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: is the is an economic one outside of that, which

1204
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: is no one company should ever have over fifty percent

1205
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: market share or should ever have over fifty percent market share.

1206
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And artificial intelligence.

1207
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: That's important.

1208
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 4: That's it.

1209
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: Those are actually enforcing my three.

1210
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 2: It looked at like you can't have a Google of AI.

1211
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: You just can't, I think one of the most So

1212
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: a couple things. Number one, there's even a definition problem

1213
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: of like what is AI? Because part of why this

1214
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: conversation has been sparked now is because you have these

1215
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: new large language models like chat GPT, where suddenly you

1216
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: have the general population able to play around with this and.

1217
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: Be like, whoa, this is crazy, right.

1218
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: But remember that companies and governments have been using AI

1219
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: algorithms to make all sorts of decisions for a while now,

1220
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: and we already know the way that this can cause problems.

1221
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you one example that I read about

1222
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: recently is a man got pulled over like regular traffic stop,

1223
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: although he wasn't really doing anything wrong, but the police

1224
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: had his plates on some sort of a list of like, okay,

1225
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: this person has committed crimes.

1226
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: If you see him, then pull them over. They pull

1227
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: them over, and they arrest him.

1228
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: What this was based on was an AI program that

1229
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: did facial recognition, and they claimed that he had been

1230
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: stealing purses in Louisiana, a state he'd never even been to.

1231
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: This man had done nothing wrong, and he was held

1232
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: in jail for over a week before they resolved this situation. Okay,

1233
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: So these are the types of AI algorithmic abuses which

1234
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: are already here.

1235
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 11: Right.

1236
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff we think of, like oh,

1237
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: where's it going in the future, a lot of this

1238
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: is already here.

1239
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: I did monologue a while.

1240
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Ago about the way that these giant, you know, conglomerates

1241
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: that have bought up all of the rental properties in

1242
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: the country, the way that they're using algorithms to try

1243
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: to price gouge their tenants as much as possible, and

1244
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: that they've discovered through this algorithmic learning that actually holding

1245
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: some of the units open so that you know, you

1246
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: have less housing on the market is better for some

1247
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: of these properties because then you can extract more rent

1248
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: out of the existing population. So there's that sort of

1249
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: thing going on. You have companies, large companies that are

1250
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: using AI algorithms to do the initial pass through of resumes,

1251
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: and it's already been uncovered that oftentimes those algorithms have

1252
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: various implicit biases against different demographic populations.

1253
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: So a lot of this number one is already here.

1254
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: So I think it's really important to understand what we're

1255
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: talking about. It's not just things like chat GPT and

1256
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: these large language models, but those produce a whole other

1257
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: range of concerns because the reality is even the people

1258
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: that design these things, once they turn them loose, these

1259
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: chat GPT and other similar models. They have like a

1260
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: mind of their own, and I don't want to make

1261
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: it it's not sentient.

1262
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything like that.

1263
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: But because they're taking in this information and they're learning

1264
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: from they're constantly sort of building on that knowledge and

1265
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: then you know, making these predictive, predictive sequences and conversing

1266
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: with the general public, Like you can get a response

1267
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: from chat GPT that even their programmers.

1268
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: Would be like, I don't know where that came from.

1269
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why Sydney professed her loved to Kevin

1270
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: Rus the New York Times. I don't know what made

1271
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: her do that. I don't know why we got this outcome.

1272
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: So that becomes a huge problem in terms of assigning

1273
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: any sort of responsibility and culpability, like accountability if something

1274
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: is done that is bad, wrong, illegal, et cetera, Like

1275
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: who do you hold accountable? So that's number one and

1276
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: number two in terms of any sort of transparency. You

1277
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: know we've been talking about on Twitter, we want to

1278
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: be able to know what the algorithm is and how

1279
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: certain tweets are put in your timeline. On YouTube, we'd

1280
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: love to know what the algorithm is and why certain

1281
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: videos get recommended in other video don't. But if you

1282
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: have a large language model where no one can really

1283
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: tell you how they came to these outcomes, well that

1284
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: seems like a huge problem in and of itself. So

1285
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: a couple of suggestions for potential, you know, ways to

1286
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: get at some of these issues. Is Number one, you

1287
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: have to have some sort of clear cut responsibility where

1288
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: either it's the developer, somebody has to be held responsible

1289
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: when bad things happen with AI. That's number one, because

1290
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: you can't have it, Yes, you can't have it disaggregated

1291
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: where you know your tesla is using AI to drive

1292
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: and hits the pedestrian and everyone's like, yeah, well no,

1293
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: no fault, no harm, No, you know, it's the it's

1294
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: the robot.

1295
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 3: What can you do? That's number one.

1296
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: Number two, and this has already exist in certain settings.

1297
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: You could have a situation where once the large language

1298
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: model gets to a point and it's understood, you have

1299
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: to lock it in that in that place for a

1300
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: certain period of time, and it's only at intervals where

1301
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: it's allowed to then build on and grow and learn,

1302
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: so that you're able to keep your arms around what

1303
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: even the hell these things are and I'm not just

1304
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: talking about the general puble. I'm even talking about the

1305
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: developers who are designing these things. So and then the

1306
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: other piece is, and this gets to the accountability part,

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Speaker 1: is you have to enforce the current laws because there

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Speaker 1: are laws against you know, bias and discrimination and unlawful detention,

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: and there are laws against these things in place, So

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Speaker 1: you have to make sure that those existing laws are

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Speaker 1: being enforced even when it's AI this's generating some of

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Speaker 1: those results. So it's very complex. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the piece that was pulled on of just like we

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Speaker 1: had a whole AI development, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: really feasible because again there's just even a definition issue

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Speaker 1: of like what even are you talking about when you

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Speaker 1: talk about AI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point too, because you know sometimes

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Speaker 2: like we'll send emails on Mailchimp and it'll be like,

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Speaker 2: according to our analysis, you should send our email or

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Speaker 2: your email at twelve thirty PM or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Like in a way like that's AI.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we've crunched all this data. We've decided that

1324
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Speaker 2: YouTube even actually shows us when most of you guys

1325
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: are online as I mean, it's not going to impact

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: our posting schedule because we're a news program. But if

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Speaker 2: we were like a mister Beast or something like that,

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: and you're trying to optimize every single aspect, we would

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Speaker 2: look at that and be like, Okay, it's Monday, everybody's

1330
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: online at two thirty pm, Like we're going to post it. Then, like,

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Speaker 2: that's basically just using a ton of data art of

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, looking at it and then giving a recommendation.

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Speaker 4: So in some ways, like that's an AI.

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Speaker 2: And then also on photos, I mean that's another one

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Speaker 2: where it probably would require its entire own set of principles,

1336
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: where it's like you can't use the faces of you know,

1337
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Speaker 2: established people to put them in sexually compromising position.

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Speaker 4: But they're like, well what does that mean? It's like

1339
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 4: it's kissing count And then.

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Speaker 2: Well then how is this going to regulate copyright? Will

1341
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: you be able to incorporate copyright images or not? So

1342
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Speaker 2: all of this though I think we have the tools

1343
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: to do this. Do I think we have the seriousness

1344
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: to do this? No. I Also what probably worries me

1345
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: the most is with the regulation. You know, for me,

1346
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: regulation just means like within the First Amendment everything else,

1347
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: like go for it. Do whatever you want. But I'm

1348
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: watching President Biden and a lot of these other AI

1349
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: safety advocates like they want to hardcode like language PC

1350
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: basically political correctness into the models. And I'm like, well,

1351
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: that actually is way more dystopian frankly than nothing at all.

1352
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: So the type of regulation also matters a lot, as

1353
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: you guys can tell. I mean, it's a very complexated question.

1354
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Speaker 2: I'm really curious what you guys think.

1355
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Speaker 1: One other idea and I think we put this last

1356
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: piece up on the screen just one of the you know,

1357
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Speaker 1: warnings of like what's going on here with with AI currently.

1358
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: Chat gpt pretended to be blind and tricked a human

1359
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Speaker 1: into solving a capsha. Now you guys probably know a

1360
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: capsh is when you're like, you know, on a website

1361
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Speaker 1: and they're trying to verify that you're actually a human

1362
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: being and not a robot and you got to like

1363
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: pick all the ones that have stoplights in it or whatever.

1364
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: So chat gpt convinced a human that like, hey, I'm disabled,

1365
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm visually impaired, so could you solve this capture for me?

1366
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: And the human actually as like just checking you're not

1367
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: a robot and CHATCHBT was like, no, of course, not

1368
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: no big deal, just do this for me, thanks helping out,

1369
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: helping me out here, And so they did it. And

1370
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Speaker 1: that gets to another suggested regulation that I saw from

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Speaker 1: an AI scientist, which is that AI must always, like robots,

1372
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: must always identify themselves as robots, so you're not getting

1373
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: tricked and manipulated by rogue AI out there trying to

1374
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: get you to solve their capture for them to do

1375
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: god knows what.

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Speaker 10: No.

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01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: I think you're right, and look, it's scary it's coming.

1378
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: I am as well, but we should also be careful.

1379
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: I also am not sure about a pause.

1380
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Speaker 4: What does that mean?

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 10: You know?

1382
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: This is where I almost do disagree with elon, where

1383
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, if we pause, you think China is

1384
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: going to pause? It's almost like an arms race.

1385
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: There's a book China has put in some actually stringent

1386
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: regulations themselves, which yeah, sure, I mean, some of which

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01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: are just going to be like authoritarian, but some of

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Speaker 1: which are also thought, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean.

1390
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: And I also there's a book I forget I think,

1391
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: as you've all know, a Harari's book, the guy who

1392
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: wrote Sapiens. I think it's called Homodis, and he wrote

1393
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: a book us a little bit about AI.

1394
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 4: I encourage people go read it.

1395
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting. It raises some of these questions. Okay,

1396
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Speaker 2: let's come.

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Speaker 3: About Fox, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the judge in the Fox Dominion case delayed the

1399
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: start of this trial from Monday to today, but as

1400
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: far as we know, the trial has kicked off this morning.

1401
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: There were reports from the Wall Street Journal that Fox

1402
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: was aggressively trying to settle That was the reason for

1403
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: the one day delay. Apparently they were unsuccessful. At the

1404
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: same time, Dominion also dropped what they were going for

1405
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: in terms of monetary damages, so that's a significant development

1406
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: as well. But that trial has kicked off. It's going

1407
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: to be really fascinating to watch unfold. We've already learned

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot from Discovery, much of which is absolutely humiliating

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01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: for Fox. And now our former President Trump has weighed

1410
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 1: into the situation, and I think what he says here

1411
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: really illustrates the bind that Fox and many of them,

1412
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: or by the way, conservatives are in as well.

1413
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen.

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: He's demanding that Rupert Murdoch say the twenty twenty election

1415
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: was in fact rigged during his testimony at the dominion trial.

1416
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: Here's the quote from Trump. He says, Fox News is

1417
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: in big trouble if they do not expose the truth

1418
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: on cheating in the twenty twenty election. They should do

1419
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: what's right for America. When Rupert Murdoch says that there

1420
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: was no cheating in light of the massive proof that

1421
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: there was, it is ridiculous and very harmful to the

1422
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: Fox case. Rupert, just tell the truth and good things

1423
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: will happen. The election of twenty twenty was rigged and stolen.

1424
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: You know it, and so does everyone else. Now everyone

1425
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: else does not, in fact know that because the election

1426
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: was not rigged. However, a majority, a very strong majority

1427
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: of the Republican base believes that it is. And so

1428
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: that's the other challenge for Fox News in this trial.

1429
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: And it's also the reason that Fox News ended up,

1430
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, whying and defaming potentially dominion voting system is

1431
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: because there is such a distance between reality and what

1432
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: the Trump has been selling his base, and they have

1433
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: sided with him. So it continues to be a real

1434
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: bind for them, and it will continue to be very

1435
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: difficult from them.

1436
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 3: For a business perspective, If.

1437
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch or Tucker or Maria Bardom or whoever has

1438
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: to go up on the stand and talk about the

1439
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: fact that they know definitively the election was not right.

1440
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: It's a problem that they were not able to settle

1441
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: the case. I guess because you know right now they look.

1442
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: Fox has a big risk in terms of the trial,

1443
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: not only to the six hundred to one point six

1444
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: billion that they might have to pay out, but in reality,

1445
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: it's all the reputational damage of getting people on the

1446
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,959
Speaker 2: you know, under oath who are asking questions. They could

1447
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: be tremendously embarrassing for the overall network. Also, whenever, you

1448
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: never know what's going to happen in these situations, which

1449
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: is why everybody goes out of their way to try

1450
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: and avoid them. And initially there was some conversation about

1451
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: maybe Dominion was willing to lower the price that they

1452
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: were able to settle at, and maybe Fox would be

1453
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: able to meet that. But look, I mean I raised

1454
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: this point yesterday, but Murdoch is a stubborn man. He's

1455
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: like ninety two years old. He has health problems, Like

1456
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: maybe he just wants to write it out and he

1457
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: doesn't care who He kind of drags along with it.

1458
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 2: But there's no question this is a terrible business decision

1459
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: for them in the long run, because at the end

1460
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 2: of the day, what they were trying to prevent whenever

1461
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: they were airing these false claims was a loss of

1462
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: audience and the feeling that they were on their side.

1463
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: What has become eminently clear Crystal from the trial they.

1464
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: Were never on their side.

1465
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: They knew that they were platforming stuff that was wrong,

1466
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 2: and they were afraid of losing to competition. So if

1467
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this, ay, if I'm Oan and I'm Newsmax,

1468
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: just keep going, go as hard as you possibly can.

1469
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 4: Why because you know that it's working.

1470
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: You know that's what Fox fears the most, and that

1471
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 2: they are going to get into trouble. And then also

1472
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 2: it's all just from a position of weakness, like they

1473
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: were not able to do what they thought was correct.

1474
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 2: They were wanting to do wherever the audience was going

1475
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: because they were afraid that they were going to lose

1476
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: some portion of market share.

1477
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 4: And that's just going to continue to come out.

1478
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: And if we get even more detailed looks into maybe

1479
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: their age of demographics, their internal analysis, I think it'd

1480
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: be humiliating in a disaster for them, and overall in

1481
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: the long run, it's not like they're winning any favors

1482
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: with Trump because Trump is also like, no, you need

1483
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: to testify that the election was stolen.

1484
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: Right, yes, And what do you think is going to happen?

1485
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: You think Trump's going to sit quietly by as a

1486
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: parade of top Fox News talent takes the stand to

1487
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 1: admit that the election was not rigged.

1488
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 3: Do you think He's just going to stand back and

1489
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 3: be cool with that.

1490
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: No, he is going to make sure everyone knows that,

1491
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're a traitor to his cause. And so

1492
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: the very thing that they were basically trying to avoid,

1493
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: which is have their audience abandon them over these over

1494
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, them acknowledging that Joe Biden did in fact

1495
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: win the presidency, that risk is still very much on

1496
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: the table for them at this trial. I mean, if

1497
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: I was them from business decision, they should give dominion

1498
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: whatever they want to avoid this thing. And I am

1499
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: honestly stunned that it has come to, you know, jury

1500
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: selection in the trial actually getting kicked off without some

1501
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: kind of a settlement being made. The other important thing

1502
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: to remember here, this is not their only legal trouble.

1503
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: They also have a multi billion dollar lossuit against them

1504
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: from Smartmatic, another voting system.

1505
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 3: That they're going to have to deal with as well.

1506
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: They already had to settle out of court with this

1507
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: about Azualeen businessman.

1508
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 3: So this is this is.

1509
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: Very treacherous for Fox and the whatever amount of money

1510
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: that Dominion might win in this trial, that's not the

1511
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: real threat to them. You know, They've got I think

1512
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: like four billion dollars cash on hand or something like that,

1513
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: Like they'd be able to with whether whatever the financial

1514
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: pay on is, even though they would rather keep their

1515
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: all of their billions of dollars. It's the reputational harm

1516
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: and damage that could be inflicted on them amongst their

1517
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: own audience. And I think that's what this Trump truth

1518
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: really underscores.

1519
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, good lucks of Fox.

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Speaker 2: I will be watching.

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Speaker 3: We'll be watching a lot of interests.

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Speaker 2: Look at the very least, it's good to I enjoy

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Speaker 2: sometimes watching people square and being put on the stand,

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Speaker 2: So it might be kind of fun to watch Maria

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Speaker 2: Bartrailmo and all these other people have to justify some

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Speaker 2: of these stuff that they did behind the scenes. Indeed, anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's all enjoy it, Crystal, what do you take a

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Speaker 2: look at?

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Speaker 1: Former Biden spinmaster and current MSNBC host Jensaki invited Senator

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders on her show over the weekend, ostensibly to

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Speaker 1: discuss his new book.

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Speaker 3: That book is titled.

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Speaker 1: It's Okay to Be Angry About Capitalism, and it's a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into many of the issues that have animated

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Speaker 1: Senator Sanders around his entire career.

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Speaker 3: Are things like income and.

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Speaker 1: Wealth inequality, the unconscionable treatment of the American working class,

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Speaker 1: the obscene power and influence of giant corporations. Now, there

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: is perhaps no living person in America who has raised

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: these issues more powerfully and more persuasively than Senator Sanders.

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Speaker 1: So did Jensaki take advantage of this opportunity to dig

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Speaker 1: into the content of this book, content which is critically

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Speaker 1: relevant to literally every single American, of course, not.

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Speaker 3: In the entire twelve.

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Speaker 1: Minute interview, she didn't ask a single question about these

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Speaker 1: core economic issues.

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Speaker 3: Not one.

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Speaker 1: Now, she did deign to ask a single question about

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Speaker 1: his book, just one. But you will not even believe

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Speaker 1: how she framed that question.

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Speaker 3: It is too perfect.

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Speaker 11: Take a listen the title of your book, It's Okay

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01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 11: to Be Angry about Capitalism really did stay with me.

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 11: It is a memorable book title cenitor of all the

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Speaker 11: things voters.

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: Are angry about, and there are many.

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 11: Abortion, the lack of progress on gun reform, even Clarence

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Speaker 11: Thomas's questionable relationship.

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Speaker 2: With a billionaire.

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Speaker 11: I know how you feel about millionaires.

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Speaker 9: Why should capitalism be at the top of that list?

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Speaker 9: Why is that important to be in the title of

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Speaker 9: that book? Jen?

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Speaker 12: What's important? Abortion is a huge issue. Social justice is

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 12: a huge issue. But you know, sometimes the corporate media

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Speaker 12: forgets about it, in Congress forgets about it. You and

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Speaker 12: I have chotting today. Do you know that there are

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Speaker 12: tens and tens of millions of Americans who cannot afford

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Speaker 12: health fair, who are scared to death that if their

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Speaker 12: kid do with their parents, gets sick, they don't know

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Speaker 12: what's going to happen, working for starvation wages. There are

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Speaker 12: moms who can't afford to send your kids to decent

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Speaker 12: john that can't even find a slot.

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Speaker 9: Those are in issues of enormous.

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Speaker 12: Consequence we don't talk about. Can you tell me you

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Speaker 12: got three people on top today? Well more wealth in

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Speaker 12: the bottom half of American society. Is that anitue we

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Speaker 12: should be talking about. Does that sound like we have

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Speaker 12: an economy.

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Speaker 9: That works for all of us or justin fume? Is

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Speaker 9: that an initial worth discussing.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about it now, Sentator.

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Speaker 11: So I'm happy to have you on. I wanted to

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Speaker 11: ask to you about President I didn't want to ask you, sir,

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Speaker 11: about President Biden's nomination of Julie Sue for the Laber

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Speaker 11: Department Secretary want.

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Speaker 9: And I love Julie. I love Julie. We're going to

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Speaker 9: go do a bestica.

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Speaker 12: But let's talk about incommon wealth inequality. Let's talk about concentration, abutorship,

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Speaker 12: Let's talk about corporate ownership with the media.

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Speaker 9: Do you think that those are issues worth discussing?

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Speaker 7: Well, Senator, I have you on today.

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Speaker 11: We're having a conversation about all of these issues. I

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 11: didn't want to ask you about this because you're our.

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Speaker 9: Chairman of this committee.

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Speaker 1: First of all, a lady, who do you think you

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Speaker 1: are to tell someone what they should or should not

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Speaker 1: be writing a book about? Can you imagine her questioning

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Speaker 1: the topics lunch of Hillary Clinton, Stacy Abrams or any

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Speaker 1: other democratics, lablishment Darling would never happen. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: I love how she's like, well, I'm having you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about these issues of your book right now,

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: but then completely blocks Bernie from saying anything about those

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Speaker 1: issues at all. The whole thing is incredibly revealing. Bernie,

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: Why trouble yourself with working class economic pain? Just focus

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01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: on issues like guns and abortion that allow elite democrats

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Speaker 1: to posture as virtuous while maintaining an unconscionable economic status

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: quo that they and their donors all benefit from. Take

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Speaker 1: a look at this graph that was shared by Gritty

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Speaker 1: is the Way on lobbying spending. So top spenders here

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Speaker 1: of lobbyists are the National Association of Realtors, the US

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Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce, and Big Pharma. The entire list is

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: dominated generally by corporate lobbies that obsessively push for low

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01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: taxes and no regulation. You got a bunch of military

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Speaker 1: industrial complex types, various parts of our disgusting for profit

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01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: healthcare system, corporate media organizations of course, and also big tech.

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Speaker 1: Is the power of any of these groups threatened in

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Speaker 1: any way by endless debates about cultural issues like abortions

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01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: or guns, or to throw the Republicans in here as well,

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: CRT or trans people, not at all, not remotely. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, and Bernie isn't saying, that these issues

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Speaker 1: are not important, not worthy of fierce debate. But Sake

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: and her Ilk frame any and all discussion of the

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: economic issues of working people as an affront to the

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Speaker 1: cultural issues which are in vogue among the elite liberal set.

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Speaker 1: This was the central attack you will recall on Bernie

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen and again in twenty twenty. If you

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: care about economics, they would say, you must somehow be

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: anti black, or anti woman, or somehow suspect in some way.

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01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: And Hillary's framing if you care about breaking up the

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Speaker 1: big banks, you must not be serious about racism. Of course,

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Speaker 1: this is a pack of poorly crafted lies. Who in

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Speaker 1: this country has been most screwed by the big banks,

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: Poor people, and in particular poor black people, who in

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: this country tell me, is most impacted by gun violence,

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01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: poor people, and in particular poor black people, who in

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: this country is most impacted by anti abortion laws, poor people,

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Speaker 1: and in particular poor black people.

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Speaker 3: Sake, in particular, who is than her.

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: Entire career as a corporate democrat operative before transitioning by

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: an administration propaganda's work she is now continuing from her

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: corporate media perch. Has something at stake in this fight

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: because every boss she has ever had, every politician she's

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: ever shielled for, is invested in avoiding deep discussions of

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Speaker 1: these issues.

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Speaker 3: That's why she insisted.

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Multiple times in this interview on scolding Bernie for daring

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Speaker 1: to care about economics. It's personal to her and she

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 1: just can't hide her intense irritation with him for making

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01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: her wing in the party so uncomfortable. Here she is

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: trying to push Bernie to accept that Democrats should just

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01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: run exclusively on abortion.

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Speaker 11: You wrote in an obed back on October Center Sanders

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Speaker 11: last year that Democrats should focus shouldn't focus only on

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 11: abortion in the midterms.

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Speaker 2: That's some mistake.

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Speaker 9: It proved to be quite a winning issue.

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Speaker 11: In fact, the level of backlash the jobs really even

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01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 11: surprised me. And I've been at this a while too.

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Speaker 11: Did you underestimate the power of this issue and the

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01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 11: power of it had order invading voters now.

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Speaker 12: During what I said is that abortion could be front

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 12: and said that the right of women to control their

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 12: old lives of the fund the middle issue.

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 9: But it cannot be the only issue.

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Speaker 12: And if you recall during the twenty twenty campaign, at

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Speaker 12: the end of the campaign, people slaughtered talking about workers rights,

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 12: people slaughtered talking about social security and preserving.

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Speaker 9: Medicare and healthcare. No, I don't think I was wrong.

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Speaker 12: Final blind is, of course, we have to continue to

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01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 12: fight for women's rights and abbortion rights. But you cannot

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01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 12: ignore the reality that's sixty percent of the workers in

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01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 12: this country on living paycheck to paycheck. We have massive

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Speaker 12: income and wealthy equality. People can't afford childcare, they can't

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Speaker 12: afford healthcare, and they are shruggly.

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Speaker 9: You cannot ignore those issues.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the very next question that she asked

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: was designed to chied Bernie for whatever gun positions he

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: took thirty years ago that buck to liberal orthodoxy. There's

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: a neat little game playing out right now that you

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: can see everywhere if you're looking for it. Affluent, college

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: educated types increasingly identify as Democrats, and since they have

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: all the money and all the cultural power, corporations have

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: decided to speak out on social issues as a business

1685
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: decision to cater to this set. Now, this has confused

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: politics quite a bit. Democrats can now feel less skittish

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01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: about taking corporate money and aligning with corporate America. Republicans

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: are now irritated with corporate America's cultural positions bought are

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01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: opposed for ideological and also self interested reasons to doing

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01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: anything real to curb corporate power. Instead, they just engage

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: in an endless game of woke a mole jenning up

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01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: little boycotts against this company or that company are becoming

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: enraged to some corporate woke villain of the day with

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01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: no interest or even understanding of the need for systemic change.

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: This little setup is great for elite dums who get

1696
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: to virtue signal. It's great for elite Republicans who get

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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: to anti woke virtue signal, and corporations who just get

1698
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: to continue with unchecked bipartisan fact exploitation. Bernie's gentle acknowledgment

1699
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: that it is legitimate to be angry about the system

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01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: is a threat to Jensaki's whole self, and she cannot

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01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: abide even one sentence of such a critique on her air.

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01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 3: This really irritated me, this.

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Speaker 1: Whole thing, the whole interview, Iby, I can't play the

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01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: whole twelve minutes, it.

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 2: Was all like this, and if you want to hear

1706
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

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Speaker 2: at breakingpoints dot com. So how are we looking at Well,

1708
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 2: there's a lot of discussion around wokeness today, the dangers

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01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: that it poses, much of which I agree with, but

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01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 2: much of which has been a hysterical caricature used to

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01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: cover up longstanding economic inequities. Both sides have a point

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: that the other side appears to have lost it. Peel

1713
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: back the layer of screaming at each other, try to

1714
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: remember what the fight is really about. Really, it's about

1715
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: what type of country that you want to live in

1716
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: the systems that we have in place and how they

1717
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 2: should work. Perhaps no area of the debate has been

1718
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: hotter than education policy, mostly in the media, focusing on

1719
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: teaching about race and how much input parents should have

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: on gender ideology in schools, but much of what actually

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 2: misses the point is the most important debate of all,

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01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 2: equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. You can basically

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01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: describe the latter as the underlying desire of the new

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,520
Speaker 2: quote equity movement. The equity movement works to promote equality

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 2: of outcome by focusing on systemic inequalities in racial outcomes

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01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: and trying to normalize everyone to the same level. This,

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 2: of course sounds good for everyone who's below average, but

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 2: it's a nightmare for those who are above. Averages a

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01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: deliberacy to less an opportunity for all and to get

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: the desired social outcome. This was the underlying goal for

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: San Francisco in twenty fifteen, when they saw racial achievement

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 2: gaps in math outcomes, they decided the real problem was

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Speaker 2: a high achieving students, which were disproportionately Asian, were getting

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Speaker 2: a leg up on other races because they had access

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Speaker 2: to advanced math courses in middle school, specifically eighth grade,

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Speaker 2: and the gap only continued to widen throughout high school.

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Speaker 2: So to prevent the gap, San Francisco landed on this

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Speaker 2: genius solution, take away the ability for any student to

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Speaker 2: take Algebra one in middle school. You can't have a

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Speaker 2: gap if you don't even give it an opportunity to develop.

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Speaker 2: The school justified the decision saying it would instead bolster

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Speaker 2: math curriculum for everybody, making it more fair to all

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Speaker 2: students and putting them all in the same classes.

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Speaker 4: Low middle and high achievers.

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Speaker 2: Now, first, it's important to lay out why some high

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Speaker 2: achieving eighth graders want to take Algebra one in middle school.

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Speaker 2: The reason is because doing so allows one to take

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Speaker 2: more advanced math classes senior year of high school. Very

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Speaker 2: advantageous to any student applying to a STEM program with

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Speaker 2: math prerequisites.

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Speaker 4: We also shouldn't forget the more ap.

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Speaker 2: Courses that you can take in high school, the more

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Speaker 2: credits that you get in college that are valuable tuition

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01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 2: money that you're saving. This is a program many families

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01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 2: in San Francisco relied on to make sure that their

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01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 2: kids have a chance, especially in the ultra competitive UC system.

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Speaker 2: So effectively, the city made the decision to cripple these

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Speaker 2: people and to make their lives more difficult in the

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Speaker 2: name of equity.

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Speaker 4: How did it work out?

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Speaker 2: We now have almost a decade of data, and predictably

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Speaker 2: it was a disaster.

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Speaker 4: A new study a team of researchers.

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Speaker 2: They looked at twenty three thousand students in performance over

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Speaker 2: the years to find this quote, White and Asian enrollment

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Speaker 2: in advanced pre calculus was still over twice that of

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Speaker 2: Black and Hispanic students. Black and Hispanic calculus enrollment remained

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Speaker 2: below ten percent before and after reform.

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Speaker 4: The test scores show quote, black.

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Speaker 2: And Hispanic eleventh graders in San Francisco earned appalling scores

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Speaker 2: on state math test, scoring about the same as or

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Speaker 2: lower than the typical fifth grader in the state, in

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01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: effect showing that they learned a grand total of nothing in.

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Speaker 4: Six years of schooling.

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Speaker 2: Even more troubling, the system adapted, the proportion of students

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Speaker 2: who chose not to enroll in any math course in

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01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 2: senior year did not change at all. And here's the

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01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: really crazy part. Not only did nothing change for black

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01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,879
Speaker 2: and Hispanic students, nothing also changed for white and Asian students.

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01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: How and why Because even though the school did not

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: offer algebra one in eighth grade, parents simply enrolled them

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Speaker 2: in online algebra programs or in summer school or private school,

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01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 2: costing them lots of time and money in addition to tutors,

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01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 2: meaning that the only people who really suffered were the

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Speaker 2: parents of high achieving students who both got built at

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Speaker 2: local and state tax level and had to pay more

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Speaker 2: for private schooling. Seems fair, right, The people who want

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01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: to do better had to pay more. The people who

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01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: the policy was meant to help, not only didn't get help,

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: arguably got worse. This is the terrifying future of an

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Speaker 2: affirmative action led society. I've been sounding the alarm here

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Speaker 2: for quite some time about similar efforts going on in

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Speaker 2: law school and in med school. They are trying their

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01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 2: best to ditch merit based criteria like elsats, MCATs, and

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01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: GPAs in favor of essays. Doing it because they know

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Speaker 2: the court is going to strike down affirmative action, and

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Speaker 2: they want to be able to preserve racial quotas. The

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: only way to do so is to make sure that

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Speaker 2: you can't prove racial discrimination with objective metrics. The byproduct

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Speaker 2: is that there is no way to know if anyone

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Speaker 2: in a position that was once thought off as prestigious actually.

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Speaker 4: Earned their way there.

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Speaker 2: Worse, the new affirmative action world makes it easier for

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Speaker 2: parents and students with resources to game the system and

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Speaker 2: attain the place that they would have gotten anyways. The

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01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 2: only way in the future to make sure that your

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01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: doctor or your lawyer is someone you can trust, you've

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: got to ask a friend or an acquaintance or someone

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: It circumvents the entire reason credentials and objective criteria existed

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Speaker 2: in the first place. In eighteen hundreds. Admittance to Harvard

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01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 2: and other high echelons of society entailed getting things like

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01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: letters of character from established gentlemen of society. Naturally, this

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: did not work well for Jews, Blacks, people of any

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 2: minority that was smart and wanted to get other leg up,

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01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: but they couldn't get past discrimination. Credentials were established specifically

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Speaker 2: to give public faith and professions with rigorous standards. The

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Speaker 2: understanding though, that the community of those who have the

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Speaker 2: credential would also police each other to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they did what they said they could do and learned

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Speaker 2: what they were supposed to in school. In our new world,

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01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 2: you can't trust anything because remember this, the only reason

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 2: that we know about that San Francisco experiment is because

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Speaker 2: we had test scores. You already know what the lesson

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Speaker 2: that they've learned is. It's not bring back algebra one.

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Speaker 2: It's get rid of test scores entirely. First the SAT

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Speaker 2: and the ACT. Next they're coming for the GPA. They're

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Speaker 2: already saying those are racists, not equitable. They'll keep eroding

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Speaker 2: any semblance that we have of a fair society and

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Speaker 2: remember this. They will do it in the names of

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Speaker 2: the poor and the marginalized, and in reality it will

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Speaker 2: serve the richest and the most powerful war amongst us.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that that you can consider? And when

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Speaker 2: you take it away that white and Asians do not

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01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: suffer at all because they just put their kids in

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Speaker 2: summer school and in private up private school.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. So

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Speaker 1: yesterday we were discussing the situation with Centator Dianne Feinstein

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Speaker 1: and how Congress and Rocanna had come out and called

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Speaker 1: for her to resign, something that we considered quite courageous.

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Speaker 1: Given that you are a fellow California and you've taken

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of heat for those comments.

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Speaker 3: We're lucky to have you in studio today.

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Speaker 7: So thanks back here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So, just I guess start with what made

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Speaker 1: you want to speak out in this regard, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I do think it is probably an uncomfortable thing for

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Speaker 1: you to do, and I don't know if you're hearing

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Speaker 1: from constituents in California. I know you're certainly hearing from

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Speaker 1: other elected lawmakers in California.

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Speaker 3: So what made you want to speak out?

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Speaker 7: Well, I just said out loud what it's been an

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Speaker 7: open secret in the delegation, and that is it's a

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Speaker 7: sad situation. I mean, Senator Feinstein has had a long career,

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Speaker 7: a distinguished career in public service, but she's no longer

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Speaker 7: able to do the job. She's missed seventy five percent

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Speaker 7: of her votes. Senator Durbin then came out and said

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Speaker 7: that it's actually making it hard to confirm judges. It's

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Speaker 7: the one thing that President Biden can actually get done,

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Speaker 7: and he's nominating a lot of qualified judges. She's not there,

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Speaker 7: And I thought someone had to speak out.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so Congressman, you know so far former Speaker

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosis is going to put us up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Guys says that calls for Diane Feinstein's resignation

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Speaker 2: are sexist, politically motivated. You reference that Politico article where

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Speaker 2: people were taking quite a bit of shots at you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you square the Washington reaction to

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Speaker 2: kind of wanting to preserve her legacy by shielding her

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Speaker 2: from any criticism that you and Frankly, I think some

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Speaker 2: forty million people in California also probably agree with you

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Speaker 2: on because they're not getting their constituent services done well.

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Speaker 7: I just think it's not in touch with what people

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Speaker 7: on the ground are saying. And that isn't any job

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Speaker 7: you're expected to be able to show up. And it's

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Speaker 7: one thing if you have a health issue, you take leave,

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01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 7: you come back back, but you can't just miss something,

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01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 7: have an indefinite date of when you come back and

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Speaker 7: not be able to fulfill your duties. And it's not

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Speaker 7: just me saying it, it's a lot of her senate

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Speaker 7: colleagues saying this privately and people expressing concern about the judiciary,

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Speaker 7: and it's actually just not true that it only affects

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Speaker 7: people based on gender. I mean, this was an argument

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Speaker 7: that people were making with the Stephen Bryer that he

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Speaker 7: should retire to allow President Biden to fill that slot.

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Speaker 7: And I have tremendous to admiration for Justice Bryor, so

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Speaker 7: I think that here this is a case where it's

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Speaker 7: more about can someone do their job.

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Speaker 1: You were basically called in that Politico article not only sexist,

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Speaker 1: also agist and politically motivated. I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about that piece because The theory they laid out is

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Speaker 1: that you've endorsed Senator Barbara Lee for Senate, and Governor

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has said that if that seat was open,

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Speaker 1: he would appoint a black woman, Barbara Lee being a

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Speaker 1: black woman, So you're trying to basically push Diane Feinstein

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Speaker 1: out to make room for your chosen can what's your

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Speaker 1: reaction to that.

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Speaker 7: Well, first all, I'm very, very proud to endorse Barbara Lee.

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Speaker 7: She has been the most consistent anti war voice in

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Speaker 7: the United States Congress and we need her, in my view,

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Speaker 7: in the United States Senate. It's one of the reasons

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01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 7: I didn't run, despite having a lot of encouragement. But

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Speaker 7: this has nothing to do with Senator Feinstein. Gavin Newsom

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01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 7: can appoint a caretaker, and he can appoint an African

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Speaker 7: American woman who is a caretaker who doesn't run. There

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Speaker 7: are a number of them he could pick from in

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Speaker 7: the state. There's the Secretary of State, There's Maxine Waters.

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Speaker 7: There are people in the educational world. So you can

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Speaker 7: support Barbara Lee believe that Senator Feinstein should step down

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Speaker 7: and not have an impact on the race.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it seemed a little tortured to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, to be honestly, Congressman Senator Feinstein or maybe the

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Speaker 2: people around her said, Okay, we'll square this by saying

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Speaker 2: that she'll step down from the Judiciary Committee and encourage

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer to appoint somebody else. But the Republicans would

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Speaker 2: have to agree. You'd have to get sixty votes for

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Speaker 2: a lot of that to happen. John Cornyn and many

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Speaker 2: other Republicans already, even Susan Collins have come out and said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to support that. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: vote to help Joe Biden confirm Democratic judges. So we're

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01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 2: now with a point where she either has to resign

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Speaker 2: or she can stay in her position. And if she's

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Speaker 2: going to do that, she's going to prevent the judges

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Speaker 2: from being appointed now that they're a way that she's

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Speaker 2: tried to square it. Have you heard any other agreement

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Speaker 2: with your position, any possible developments. I believe this has

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Speaker 2: all happened in the last forty eight hours or so. Well.

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Speaker 7: I think here's what happened. When I put out that statement,

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Speaker 7: within two hours it had caught fire. And you never know,

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Speaker 7: I mean sometimes I tweet something out and five people

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Speaker 7: like it. This one I think resonated because it spoke

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Speaker 7: to what people were thinking and a frustration, and so

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Speaker 7: Senator Feinstein's team I think scrambled and they put this

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Speaker 7: out there. They didn't look necessarily at all the procedure

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Speaker 7: that had to go, and that quelled some of the fear.

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Speaker 7: And even in my case, if she got off Judiciary,

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Speaker 7: if someone else got on Judiciary, she'd certainly buy some time.

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Speaker 7: The problem is that now that's not going to be possible.

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Speaker 7: What Senator Cornin has said is that they will support

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Speaker 7: a Democrat if she steps aside coming on the committee,

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Speaker 7: but they're not going to support her just leaving and

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Speaker 7: temporarily filling it. So I think now the ball is

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Speaker 7: back in her court and she's going to either have

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Speaker 7: to give a concrete date when she's coming back and

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Speaker 7: being able to vote, or really think hard about how

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Speaker 7: she wants to end her career. And I well, the

1948
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Speaker 7: sad part is I think this is hurting her own

1949
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 7: legacy to drag this out.

1950
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely for sure, no doubt about it.

1951
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,879
Speaker 1: Does the public position in private position of these elected

1952
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: democrats matchup so publicly they're saying, your sexist did she

1953
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,839
Speaker 1: should retire on her own terms? And how dare you

1954
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: ask her to step aside or dare anybody ask her

1955
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to step aside? But privately, they've got to be not

1956
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,799
Speaker 1: happy about the fact that judges aren't getting confirmed.

1957
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 3: I mean brass tacks.

1958
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, one of the most important things that Trump

1959
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: did when he was in office, and one of the

1960
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: most important things that Biden's been doing when he's in

1961
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: office is getting judges on the bench to rule on

1962
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: issues that are really important the democratic based, like abortion rights.

1963
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 3: To name one.

1964
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: So are you aware of any pressure that's being applied

1965
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to try to push her to on

1966
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: her own terms resign given the fact that this really

1967
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: is hamstring the Senate and its ability to operate.

1968
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 7: Privately, there are a lot of people who agree with

1969
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 7: my position, both text and coming up on the House floor.

1970
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to and I understand why they

1971
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 7: don't want to get out their public living. It's not

1972
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 7: an easy thing. I've been open on calling out truth

1973
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 7: to power where I see it, but their consequences to

1974
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 7: the easiest way to sort of rise in Washington is

1975
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 7: just to keep your head down, not say anything provocative,

1976
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 7: and eventually you become a committee chair or you're on

1977
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 7: some cabinet position, and that makes people reluctant to take

1978
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 7: on powerful interest. But I do think people understand the

1979
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 7: urgency here. I mean, look, you've got a Texas judge

1980
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 7: who's taking away the abortion pill from millions of Americans

1981
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 7: engage in anti science. We've got to get our judges confirmed.

1982
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 7: On this committee. You have eighteen that have come out

1983
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 7: of the committee, and the Senate floor is slow. So fine,

1984
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 7: those will go through, but we need a pipeline because

1985
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 7: when the Senate floor moves, I rather have fifty people

1986
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 7: ready rather than not having done anything for a month.

1987
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 7: Every day we wait is hurting the ability to get

1988
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 7: judges confirmed.

1989
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: There was one other issue I wanted to ask you about,

1990
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: with regard to to speaking down and taking courageous stands.

1991
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 3: There was a letter that.

1992
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: Was just published by pushed by Carus Woman to leave

1993
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: and signed by a number of other squad members. I

1994
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: think there were seven signatories. Go ahead and put this

1995
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: up on the screen, calling for the DOJ to drop

1996
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: charges against Julian Assange and defend freedom of the press.

1997
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Freedom of press First Amendment is an issue that I

1998
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 1: think you have been very courageous on. You've spoken out against.

1999
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why you didn't sign on to this particular letter.

2000
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 7: I read the details, but I support the position, and

2001
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 7: that's the important thing. I've supported the position publicly that

2002
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 7: we should not be prosecuting Julian Assange because it's overbroad

2003
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 7: and the charges against him. What I've said is you

2004
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 7: should be prosecuted for actually hacking or taking classified secrets,

2005
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 7: but not for the dissemination as a publisher. And I

2006
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 7: actually co authored the Protection of Journalists Act saying that

2007
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 7: people publishing things should not be prosecuted. So I don't

2008
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 7: know if I glanced at the letter and there was

2009
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 7: some sentence I didn't like or something, but in terms

2010
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 7: of the actual position, I'm been very clear and very

2011
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 7: early on it.

2012
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: So and that was why I was surprised, actually that

2013
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: you weren't on the letter. So you'd be willing to

2014
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: take another look at it and consider signing on to it.

2015
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 7: I'm happy to take a look at it. But my

2016
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 7: public position is pretty clear, which is I don't believe

2017
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 7: that Julian Nissan should be prosecuted. Obama didn't prosecute him.

2018
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 7: It's an overbroad prosecution. You should not be prosecuting someone

2019
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 7: for publishing something if they are not involved in actually

2020
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 7: engineering or hacking the leaks.

2021
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, well, we appreciate you joining us as always, sir,

2022
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 2: you appreciate it all right.

2023
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 4: We'll see you guys later