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Speaker 1: such as Uh, why did I get married? Why did

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Speaker 1: doing comedy, funny dude, dramatic dude. He can do it

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Speaker 1: all right. Now he's doing a drama or dramatic role.

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Speaker 1: He now portrays Jacob Greenleaf some of the powerful green

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Speaker 1: Leaf family on own exciting new drama series Green Lead.

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Speaker 1: I know because I catch it. Please welcome to Money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversation, Lamon Rucker. What's going on? What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 1: I am very good, my friend, I have very good

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you on my show Money

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Speaker 1: Main conversation, Mr Ruco rf its good. You're the thing

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Speaker 1: about it. I had lived with it on the show

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Speaker 1: and and we were talking about her career. We also

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on this exciting show green Leaf.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into detail, let me just tell anybody

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Speaker 1: let me just give it groups analysis of green Lea.

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Speaker 1: The green Lee family is a powerful power struggle with

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Speaker 1: And then now a man Jacob, his character is played

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Speaker 1: by Mr. Rucker. He's one of the He's the son

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Speaker 1: they were buying the property that y'all were selling and

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Speaker 1: she signed that deed. Anyway, Oh my god, Dake, how

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Speaker 1: you marriage to this How you married to this woman?

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Speaker 1: Do you no? No? Like most people like most people

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Speaker 1: it's tracking the patterns right right. I think one of

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Speaker 1: with more Green Leaf. Hi, just ra Sean McDonald, Oh

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Speaker 1: You know what you mean to me, you know what

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