WEBVTT - The $17 Million Jackson Pollock

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<v Speaker 1>If you went into the Gucci store and bought a handbag,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't ask the salesperson is this a real Gucci?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you would take that as a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>given fact. So the fact that Noodler, you know, was

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<v Speaker 1>the oldest gallery in the city. It was a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty five years old. It had worked with these

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<v Speaker 1>artists in their lifetimes, and if you wanted to buy

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<v Speaker 1>an abstract expressionist painting, that's kind of the place you

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<v Speaker 1>would go to do that. By the mid two thousand's,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos and Glyphs forgery scheme was raking in enormous profits,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet Glyphra was miserable. Later, she told a federal

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<v Speaker 1>judge that Carlos beat her frequently, once going so far

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<v Speaker 1>as to break her nose. The beatings, she claimed, were

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<v Speaker 1>to keep her from bailing out of the family art business.

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<v Speaker 1>Quitting wasn't an option. Carlos warned that if she left,

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<v Speaker 1>he would kidnap their daughters solely and take her to Spain,

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<v Speaker 1>and glyph Era would never see her again. Ironically, GPS

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Ann Friedman was blossoming. Rosalies demanded and received

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<v Speaker 1>higher fees from Ndler as the fake paintings continued to

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<v Speaker 1>sell for exorbitant prices. Ultimately, Gla would rake in more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty million dollars in her fourteen year forgery career.

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<v Speaker 1>With that money came a commensurate lifestyle. In two thousand five,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos and A bought an enormous square foot house in

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<v Speaker 1>the North Shore neighborhood of Sam's Point on Long Island's

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Coast. The Mediterranean style home came with a two

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<v Speaker 1>point three million dollar price tag, quite a property for

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<v Speaker 1>a local art dealer and her seemingly unemployed partner. Friends

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<v Speaker 1>and neighbors found the home beautiful and impressively furnished, but

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<v Speaker 1>not without its quirks. The odd thing about it was

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<v Speaker 1>they were paintings everywhere, and not just hung on the

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<v Speaker 1>walls either. One time we went over to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the kids, my wife and I were in the house

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<v Speaker 1>and we were kind of blown away by the art

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<v Speaker 1>that we saw in the house, because, you know, Glaire

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<v Speaker 1>always had the appearance of being successful. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Scarlatto's I'm an attorney with Costellans and Fink in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City, and I specialized in criminal texts, investigations

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<v Speaker 1>and prosecutions. Brian was a family friend of Cfia and

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos and Sand's point, their children attended the same school. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>when Cpia's legal troubles began, she retained Brian as her attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>We knew she had a gallery in New York, but

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<v Speaker 1>when we went into the house, you know, we recognized

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<v Speaker 1>several pieces that we knew there were war holes. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe there was a Picasso, there was a Rothco, and

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<v Speaker 1>others like that. And as I said, there was also

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting furniture, and there was just so much art

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<v Speaker 1>that some of it was leaned up against the wall

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<v Speaker 1>because there wasn't enough room to hang it all on

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<v Speaker 1>the walls. And you know, my wife and I think

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed that they were using their art as storage

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<v Speaker 1>for their gallery. But when you go into somebody's house

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<v Speaker 1>and you see warholes in a Picasso and a Rothco

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<v Speaker 1>and other things that you recognize, it's it's sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, overwhelming. You know, it was also casual. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember remarking to my wife on the way out that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh my god, they have this this little dog, Rocky,

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<v Speaker 1>who was running around embarking. And I remember saying to

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, what if Rocky were to pee on a Picasso.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it just and it seemed like it could happen, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I say, things were just stacked up against the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>They were always very elegantly dressed, you know, had nice

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<v Speaker 1>cars in a very nice house, and they seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>travel the world, and they also knew a lot about art.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they were my friends who were the art

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<v Speaker 1>dealers and had a gallery. And Friedman was also living

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<v Speaker 1>the good life. Ndler was trafficking almost exclusively in the

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<v Speaker 1>David Herbert collection of fake Rothko's, de coonings and pollocks.

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<v Speaker 1>Anne had a knack for reaching out to buyers that

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<v Speaker 1>were exceedingly wealthy but not necessarily well informed. Domenico and

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<v Speaker 1>Eleanor de Sole walked into the Knodler in late two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand four in search of a Shawn Scully painting. Scully

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<v Speaker 1>was a contemporary abstract artist. The De Soules were fond of.

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<v Speaker 1>Domenico De Sole was just stepping down as president and

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Gucci and was becoming designer Tom Ford's partner

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<v Speaker 1>in a new fashion company. The Desules had an ocean

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<v Speaker 1>front home in Hilton Head, South Carolina, and needed art

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<v Speaker 1>to hang on its walls, and didn't have a Shawn

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<v Speaker 1>Scully painting to sell them. She did, however, have an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing Mark Rothko, as she had done so many times before,

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<v Speaker 1>an enchanted her prospective buyers with the story of the

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<v Speaker 1>ex family, David Herbert and the marvelous downtown art world

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<v Speaker 1>of the nineteen fifties where artists sold works out of

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<v Speaker 1>the back of their studios for cash. The Desoles glowed

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<v Speaker 1>with excitement. They had never paid anywhere close to eight

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<v Speaker 1>point four million dollars for a painting before, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a Rothco. The very name of the painting, untitled

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six, evoked images of the troubled artist in

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<v Speaker 1>his upper east Side carriage house, working late into the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so many other paintings in the David Herbert collection,

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<v Speaker 1>the work was notably smaller than a typical Rothco. Larger

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<v Speaker 1>ones went for tens of millions of dollars. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>the painting had no real provenance, nor was it in

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<v Speaker 1>the Rothco catalog resume, but Anne said she had no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt the magnificent painting they were gazing at, which soar

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<v Speaker 1>in value once it was placed in a future supplement

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<v Speaker 1>to the catalog resume. The eight point four million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>rothco was sold and hung in the Dosoles hilton Head

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<v Speaker 1>family home. Eleanor later testified that friends would stop by

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<v Speaker 1>just who and a over it. But what was a

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<v Speaker 1>roth Cooke compared to a top of the market Pollock.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever since Anne had hit a wall with the Leavy Pollock,

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<v Speaker 1>she had pressed life for another. By two thousand seven

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<v Speaker 1>she had it in hand, a classic drip painting with

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<v Speaker 1>a silvery cast. Fully deserving, Anne thought of the seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar price tag she attached to it. Through a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of middleman dealers, a transparency of the painting found

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<v Speaker 1>its way to a Belgian born financier named Pierre Lagrange.

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<v Speaker 1>The Grange was a hedge fund manager, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>richest men in London. He was drawn to the Pollock, but,

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<v Speaker 1>like Jack Levy, he wanted assurances that the painting was authentic. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange wasn't asking for an official eye far evaluation of

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<v Speaker 1>the painting. He did want to be sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>Pollock Krasner Foundation would authenticate the work. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>problem for Anne. The Pollock Foundation had stopped authenticating any

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<v Speaker 1>new works purporting to be Pollocks. As for the Pollock

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<v Speaker 1>Catalog Resume, its last and final supplement, had been released

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety four. Anne had the clout to arrange

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting with the Pollock Krausner Foundation lawyers, in part

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<v Speaker 1>because one of the lawyers was also her lawyer. She

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<v Speaker 1>talked up the painting and stressed the importance of updating

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<v Speaker 1>the entire catalog resume to be reprinted in full color.

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<v Speaker 1>It was our only shot to have the painting added. Officially,

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyers murmured and hummed, but the word authentication never

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<v Speaker 1>quite entered the room. Anne had to think fast or

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<v Speaker 1>risk losing the biggest sale of her career. On March eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven, Anne rode to Lagrangees camp and told

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<v Speaker 1>them exactly what she thought the English collector wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hear quote. The Pollock Krasner Foundation has stated that they

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<v Speaker 1>are intending to update and republish the catalog resume in

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<v Speaker 1>full color and also in an online version. Every detail

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<v Speaker 1>of the email was a lie. Lagrange and his chief lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Johnson found the email less than persuasive. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>reps and warranties, as Donson later put it, which was

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<v Speaker 1>to say legally binding language that the painting would be

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<v Speaker 1>authenticated and that it would appear in the next catalog.

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<v Speaker 1>Resume Friedman turned indignant. Quote. The distrusting and demanding language

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<v Speaker 1>in this agreement of sale is not in keeping with

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<v Speaker 1>the familiar and widely accepted standards and practices in the

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<v Speaker 1>art business, she huffed. In her written response, it veers

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<v Speaker 1>far from the spirit and understanding of our original agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not been confronted by anything like this in

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<v Speaker 1>my thirty four years of experience as an art dealer.

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<v Speaker 1>We have given you our word. Our invoice is always

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<v Speaker 1>our legal guarantee, and has previously stated if this painting

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<v Speaker 1>has proved not to be by the hand of Pollock,

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<v Speaker 1>the sale would be canceled, to painting return to Knodler

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<v Speaker 1>and the full purchase refunded to you end quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>hypocrisy of the letter was breathtaking, but Ann's huffing and

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<v Speaker 1>puffing seemed to do the trick. On November six, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven, Pierre Lagrange completed his purchase of the silvery Pollock.

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<v Speaker 1>The Knodler provided a written guarantee that Lagrange's pollock was

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<v Speaker 1>from a quote private collection of the heir to a

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<v Speaker 1>collector who had obtained it directly from Jackson Pollock. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The air insisted on anonymity. With seventeen million dollars rendered,

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange gave his new painting a place of honor

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<v Speaker 1>in his London penthouse, unaware that its true value it

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<v Speaker 1>was little more than the canvas it was painted on.

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<v Speaker 1>More art fraud in a minute. Around the same time

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange was acquiring his seven figure Pollock Glafia, Rosalie's

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<v Speaker 1>success was perhaps going to her head. An opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>new business came up when her old friend Heimi Andrade

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<v Speaker 1>introduced Gfia to an ex notler dealer named Julian Weissman.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosale spoke to Weiseman about potentially cutting ties with ann Friedman.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted a new start, she said. As a show

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<v Speaker 1>of good faith, she consigned three Robert Motherwell paintings to

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<v Speaker 1>Wiseman's gallery, who works were said to be from Motherwell's

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<v Speaker 1>Elegy to the Spanish Republic series. The third painting from

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<v Speaker 1>the series ultimately sold by Wiseman for six hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars to Mark Blondo, director of the Irish

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<v Speaker 1>Kalila Gallery. Blondeau like Lagrange wanted authentication and he got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Flam and Morgan Spangler, co directors of the Motherwell

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<v Speaker 1>Foundation known as the Dadalist, spent hours poring over the

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<v Speaker 1>Blonde Motherwell. Its lack of provenance bothered them, but they

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<v Speaker 1>felt obligated to authenticate it. The painting was just that good.

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<v Speaker 1>Flam and Spangler spent the rest of two thousand seven

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<v Speaker 1>finishing Motherwell's catalog resid A. As they did, they noticed

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<v Speaker 1>a troubling trend more Spanish elegy paintings without provenance. There

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<v Speaker 1>were seven in all, including the one now owned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Khalila Gallery. To the foundation's dismay, four of the

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<v Speaker 1>seven paintings were being sold by the Knoedler Gallery. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Flam insisted at all seven Spanish elegy paintings be shown

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<v Speaker 1>together at the Knoedler and resisted as long as she could,

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<v Speaker 1>but ultimately she caved and agreed. The Spanish elegies were spectacular,

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<v Speaker 1>but curiously, they were all signed exactly the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>This was strange for a painter who was known to

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<v Speaker 1>vary his signature from picture to picture. Three of the

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<v Speaker 1>paintings had gone from Gera to Weissman, indicating that Rosalis

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<v Speaker 1>had played her side game, likely to ann Friedman's surprise

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<v Speaker 1>now and admitted the obvious. All seven paintings had come

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<v Speaker 1>from the same source for the moment, she refused to

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<v Speaker 1>say who that source. Was Alarmed, the Dadalus Foundation demanded

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<v Speaker 1>Knoedler higher, a widely respected forensic art expert named Jamie Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>to test two of the disputed Spanish Elegy paintings. Martin

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<v Speaker 1>also tested genuine when Motherwell paintings for comparison's sake. What

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Martin would do is he will take a painting

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<v Speaker 1>and he will investigate all the aspects of the pain

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<v Speaker 1>from the frame to the paints that are used. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Hernandez, Assistant District Attorney to New York Second District,

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<v Speaker 1>and the course of his criminal investigation, Jason gleaned a

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<v Speaker 1>wealth of knowledge about the forensic testing process. He'll take

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly small slice of the paint. He will investigate

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<v Speaker 1>the dust that's in the crevices and the cracks of

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<v Speaker 1>the paint, and he will determine, you know, what the

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<v Speaker 1>composition of those materials are. He will look for what

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<v Speaker 1>he calls anomalies, meaning things that shouldn't be there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a very very simple example. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was the DuPont Corporation at some point patented titanium dioxide,

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<v Speaker 1>which really makes whites really white. It was patented sometime

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know the seventies I'm going to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what that means is that if I present to

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<v Speaker 1>you a Pollock painting and it has titanium diox, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't we have a problem because Jackson Pollock was dead

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<v Speaker 1>before titanium dioxide was discovered. And Jamie Martin's report was devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>He found that a red pigment in one of these

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish elegies hadn't existed until years after the paintings were

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<v Speaker 1>said to be made. All seven of the Spanish elegies

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<v Speaker 1>were immediately scrapped from the upcoming Motherwell catalog Resone. The

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<v Speaker 1>Kalila Gallerbay sued the Dadalists. The Dadalist sued Weissman, the dealer.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, all parties settled, with money changing hands

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<v Speaker 1>and the Kalila's painting branded on its verso as a forgery.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, while Jamie Martin was studying the Spanish elegies,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Flam had a memorable talk with Ann Friedman. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get Michael Hammer involved in this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very lititious, Flam later recalled. Despite her wish to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the Spanish Elegy debacle off her boss's desk, Friedman

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<v Speaker 1>and Hammer had forged an alliance right from the start,

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<v Speaker 1>As a lawsuit would later allege, Anne had kept her

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<v Speaker 1>boss in the loop on the sales of Rosales's paintings

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. She sent Hammer short write ups of

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<v Speaker 1>every new painting that came in. The writeups detailed how

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<v Speaker 1>much the gallery paid Glofere for each picture wholesale and

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<v Speaker 1>how much Nodler had sold them for retail to its customers.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet years later, Anne felt afraid of Michael Hammer

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<v Speaker 1>enough to worry he might sue her. It seemed as

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<v Speaker 1>if each partner still kept some secrets from the other.

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<v Speaker 1>From the start, Knoedler's owner, Michael Hammer had kept all

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<v Speaker 1>but invisible in his spacious office at the gallery. Staffers

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<v Speaker 1>rarely saw him, and when they did, it was hard

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<v Speaker 1>not to be distracted by his artificial tan and a

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<v Speaker 1>wardrobe that could charitably be described as extravagance. Hammers roughly

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<v Speaker 1>two dozen vintage cars, some worth hundreds of thousands of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>only underscore the sense that here was a man of

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<v Speaker 1>almost unimaginable wealth, free to do as he wished. By

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<v Speaker 1>the fall of two thousand nine, news of the fake

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish elegy paintings had reached the Prosecutor's office in the

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<v Speaker 1>Second District of New York. Investigators were now sifting through

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<v Speaker 1>and Friedman's seventeen years as head of the Ndler Gallery.

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<v Speaker 1>Any hopes and had of keeping Michael Hammer out of

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<v Speaker 1>the loop were dashed. Seeing law enforcement walked through the

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<v Speaker 1>doors had jolted Hammer to his core. That October, he

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<v Speaker 1>terminated and Freedman's employment from the Ndler Gallery. Her feet

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<v Speaker 1>barely touched the floor as security guards swept her through

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<v Speaker 1>the gallery and out the front doors under the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>blue awning and was finished. We'll be back after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in London, Pierre Lagrange was having trouble of his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Just two years after buying his seventeen million dollar pollock,

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<v Speaker 1>he was embarking on a divorce. He was advised to

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<v Speaker 1>sell his recently acquired pollock and split the proceeds with

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<v Speaker 1>his soon to be ex wife Lagrange was shocked to

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<v Speaker 1>discover that neither Southnbies nor Christie's would accept the work.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, the Pollock had no provenance, and its surfaced

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<v Speaker 1>only a few years before. David and Pham, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most respected authorities on modern American art, was

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<v Speaker 1>just as skeptical when he personally viewed the painting in

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange's London home. It was the ninth of April

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight when I paid a visit and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the whole collection of the and suddenly we

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<v Speaker 1>got to the Pollock. Pierre looked at me. I looked

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<v Speaker 1>at Pierre's advisor, and I think I said, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think? And I wouldcall very clearly, saying well, that

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<v Speaker 1>has a history. And they were hoping for some more words.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never said the west was silence. They were

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that you would say the painting was right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what I did not say. La Grange had

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<v Speaker 1>the distinct feeling he was being toyed with, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was angry. Where was Ann Friedman anyway? News of her

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<v Speaker 1>firing hadn't yet made its way to La Grange. The

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<v Speaker 1>Knoedler was playing a vanishing game of its own. The

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<v Speaker 1>gallery flat out refused to take back Lagrange's Pollock, nor

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<v Speaker 1>would it be fund his seventeen million dollars. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>the gallery insisted the painting was genuine. Lagrange was seeing

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<v Speaker 1>read he wanted his money, and surfaced in November two

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<v Speaker 1>with an email meant to lower the temperature. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>she insisted politely but firmly, that Lagrange's Pollock was one

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<v Speaker 1>of several newly discovered works that would be added to

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<v Speaker 1>a revised Pollock catalog. Resimee Ann's timing couldn't have been worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Just one month after her attempt to band aid the

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange situation with yet another lie, Jackson, Pollock expert Eugene

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<v Speaker 1>Thaw shocked the art world with a declaration of seismic proportions.

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<v Speaker 1>Thaw declared that Legrange's silvery Pollock looked not right to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Thaw was in poor health and he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>sure his judgment was made clear, so in early two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven, he repeated his claim in a videotaped Affidavid

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<v Speaker 1>the painting looked fake to him, Thal said, AND's email

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<v Speaker 1>was immediately and entirely invalidated. It was now February two eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange still had no interest in meeting Ann Friedman,

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<v Speaker 1>but word was that a grand jury was convening to

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<v Speaker 1>consider charges stemming from the fake Spanish elegies, and Anne

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<v Speaker 1>was said to be a subject of interest. Lagrange decided

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<v Speaker 1>he would meet with her after all, and suggested the

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<v Speaker 1>lounge of the Carlisle Hotel with its serpentine rooms of

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<v Speaker 1>overstuffed chairs. Anne arrived early to the Carlyle on a

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<v Speaker 1>wintry day and shows a small table in a cozy

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<v Speaker 1>lowlit corner. She recognized Lagrange from his long gray hair

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<v Speaker 1>and angular face as soon as he walked in, and

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<v Speaker 1>stood up to greet him and his attorney, Matthew Donson.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange, I'm Ann Friedman. It's nice to meet you,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, don't be so sure, Lagrange seethed in his

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<v Speaker 1>eligian accent. Lagrange ordered a cocktail, the lawyer a coke.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been looking forward to meeting you and discussing the painting,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, cheerfully, let's talk about how I can be helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>I want my money, the groans said, his voice rising

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<v Speaker 1>with each word. That's all, and tried to stay calm,

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.359
<v Speaker 1>She leaned forward a bit. It's hard to predict the market,

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<v Speaker 1>she noted. She said they might have to wait a

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<v Speaker 1>while before selling the painting, but she and La Grange

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to help each other out of this fix,

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<v Speaker 1>and said assuredly. That was when Lagrange lashed out quote.

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<v Speaker 1>He started screaming at the top of his lungs. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to set you on fire. Do you understand that

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to set you on fire? And you will

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<v Speaker 1>have no life. It will be over, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>hit the press and you will be done. And tried

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<v Speaker 1>to reason with the Belgian financier in a calm voice,

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<v Speaker 1>as if talking to an unruly child. Taking the painting

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<v Speaker 1>back simply wasn't an option. She said all the experts

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<v Speaker 1>agreed it was real, and so did she, and said

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<v Speaker 1>she offered to take the painting on consignment and try

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<v Speaker 1>to sell it to someone else. Lagrange was astounded. Anne's

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<v Speaker 1>solution was to find some other sap to unload the

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<v Speaker 1>painting on. Not only was that wildly irresponsible, but surely

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<v Speaker 1>illegal as well. The two of them would be selling

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<v Speaker 1>a painting Lagrange now believed was a fake. If Noodler

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<v Speaker 1>didn't immediately return his money and take back the painting.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange railed, he would destroy her reputation. He was furious.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange and Johnson stood up. The meeting was clearly over.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone by now at the Carlysle was staring. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a real scene, and recounted. The waiter came over and

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<v Speaker 1>asked if she is all right. Later, Lagrange would deny

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<v Speaker 1>A's account of the meeting. He hadn't raised his voice,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. The calamity at the Carlisle merely confirmed Lagrange's

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<v Speaker 1>worst fears. He was sure his Pollock was a fake,

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<v Speaker 1>and Friedman persona non grata. At the n Nodler could

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing to get him his money back. Lagrange's only

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<v Speaker 1>move was to squeeze the reclusive Michael Hammer, Noodler's chairman,

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever way he could to recover his seventeen million.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange had no idea how utterly dependent the gallery was

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<v Speaker 1>on the sales of Ga Feara Rosales's paintings. He did

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<v Speaker 1>note with interest that Hammer had put one of the

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<v Speaker 1>galleries two adjoining mansions up for sale for more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year, The seventeen thousand square foot Italian Renaissance building

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<v Speaker 1>at nineteen seventy Street had been quietly shopped around town

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<v Speaker 1>for fifty nine point nine million dollars. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>high price in a bear market. It remained for sale

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<v Speaker 1>until February two thousand eleven, when it sold for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars, half its original asking price. As it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, the sale came shortly before the disastrous Carlisle

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Hotel meeting. Lagrange knew exactly where seventeen million of the

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<v Speaker 1>mansions proceeds should go, but Nodler had no interest in

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<v Speaker 1>giving any of that money back to the London hedge funder.

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<v Speaker 1>The standoff with Lagrange remained a secret through much of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven as lawyers attempted to resolve the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in October came news of the Motherwell Spanish elegy settlement. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Patricia Cohen, and I'm a reporter for the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times. Patricia's first scoop about the Noodler saga was

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<v Speaker 1>dated October eleventh, two thousand eleven. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>at that point that that story was going to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of splode into one of the biggest art frauds of

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<v Speaker 1>the last hundred years. I just started digging around, and

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<v Speaker 1>even though that story was relatively short, I quickly realized

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a much bigger story buried beneath this

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<v Speaker 1>with with a lot more questions that came up, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I started digging. Cohen's story in the Times prompted

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<v Speaker 1>Lagrange to do something he should have done far earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>He called Jamie Martin, the forensic expert who had analyzed

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<v Speaker 1>the motherwells, and requested a test on the polit no

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<v Speaker 1>auction house would touch. The tests confirmed Lagrange's worst fears.

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<v Speaker 1>Various pigments in the painting had not existed in nine

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<v Speaker 1>when the painting was supposedly made. It was forensically impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for the work to be legitimate. The report Lagrange received

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<v Speaker 1>in late November of two thousand eleven brought full throated

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<v Speaker 1>legal action. In a searing letter to Michael Hammer, Lagrange

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<v Speaker 1>demanded that Knodler refund his seventeen million dollars in forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours or face a lawsuit. The letter would ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>be the last straw from Michael Hammer to Lagrange's astonishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Hammer responded by closing the Knoedler's brass doors permanently on

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<v Speaker 1>November eleven, sixty five years after it first opened for business.

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<v Speaker 1>Gafara wasn't actually named, but New York Times readers learned

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Ann Friedman and learned too that she

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<v Speaker 1>had been accused of selling fake Motherwell's while she was

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<v Speaker 1>president of Nodler. Was there a sense of starting to

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<v Speaker 1>connect the dots sort of? I remember that day very

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<v Speaker 1>well because it was a big scandal. There was an

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<v Speaker 1>FBI investigate issue. We were talking about, you know, many

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<v Speaker 1>paintings in many millions of dollars, and I knew about

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the Pierre Lagrange lawsuit, and so I had basically been

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<v Speaker 1>planning within the next week to have this you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big expose about this, and then when the gallery closed,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh shit, we have to cover this,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, we've got this really other, big story,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't get into all of that yet because

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<v Speaker 1>not every single piece had turned down. So essentially I

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 1>covered that as a new story, um, giving enough detail

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<v Speaker 1>that we knew something was going on, but also not

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<v Speaker 1>essentially wanting to kind of expose what we knew was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be part of this really big takedown. Incredibly,

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<v Speaker 1>just two days before Noodler closed its doors and two

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<v Speaker 1>years since she'd been fired, and placed a very strange

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<v Speaker 1>phone call who noted Clifford Steel expert David and Fam,

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<v Speaker 1>the same expert who had viewed Pierre Lagrange's fake Pollock

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<v Speaker 1>in London, and telephone me on the November twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>The game was up. By then, basically we knew that

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<v Speaker 1>it was all hopes since things were fakes in a

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<v Speaker 1>truly baffling move, and was lobbying an Fham to have

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<v Speaker 1>the burned fragment of a fake Clifford Steel painting added

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<v Speaker 1>officially to the Clifford Steel Museum. This was the very

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>same painting Carlos Bergantino's had burned with a hair dryer

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<v Speaker 1>and told GA to say had caught fire in a car.

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<v Speaker 1>I was absolutely astonished that Ann wanted me to write

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of a letter about the Clifford Store Museum

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<v Speaker 1>accepting this flagmant of the painting, and I told him

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<v Speaker 1>point blank is not up to me to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>so if anyone is going to do it, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be approved by director, by the Bold and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. So it was to me um a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call that left me spaceless. Even at the time when

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote it, I bore exclamation marks after that note

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<v Speaker 1>because of extraordinary On the morning of December two, two

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<v Speaker 1>tho high pitched scream could be heard from the bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>of a hotel suite in Miami, Florida. The annual Art

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<v Speaker 1>Bosl Fair was about to begin, and Domenico and Eleanor

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<v Speaker 1>Desole had arrived early to get premium tickets. Eleanor was

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<v Speaker 1>scrolling through The New York Times on her iPad when

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<v Speaker 1>a story jumped out. Domenico rushed from the shower to

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<v Speaker 1>see what was wrong. Too shocked to speak, Eleanor handed

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<v Speaker 1>him the iPad, her hands shaking. Patricia Cohen's first story

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>in the New York Times had mentioned the Knoedler and

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<v Speaker 1>publicly identified Glefara Rosales for the first time, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a short piece and the Disules may not have

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<v Speaker 1>noticed it. That morning's follow up about Pierre Lagrange and

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<v Speaker 1>his fake Pollock made the news all too clear. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the soules first calls that morning was to Ann

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<v Speaker 1>Friedman and swore to the Dosilas that the Lagrange Pollock

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<v Speaker 1>described in the New York Times was real. So were

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the works in the David Herbert collection,

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>including the Desuls, Rothko, the Dosilas demanded evidence who was

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>this mysterious Mr x Jr. Through whom all these paintings

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 1>had flowed, who was glefi Rosales, for that matter, and

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>promised she would soon be learning the identity of the

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>mysterious collector herself. The Soles were incredulous, and had previously

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>told them she know the collector. As one of the

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Dess lawyers later put it, the most basic tenet of

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>authenticity for the Rothco was a lie. Neither Anne Freedman

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>nor the n Noodler Gallery knew the true identity of

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 1>their supposed client. Among the dozen or so victims who

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>began peppering the now defunct k Noodler Gallery with legal

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>demands for their money back was Francis Beatty. To her

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>shock and horror, Francis discovered that a Clifford Steel painting

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>she had purchased from Anne in two thousand was likely

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>just another fake from the supposed David Herbert collection. Beatty

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>had loved Clifford Stills paintings from her earliest days. They're

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>incredibly exciting. They look like sort of lightning or jagged

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>cliffs in an abstract way. They have enormous electricity and sometimes.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>The colors are very I would say, dance intense, and

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>they have a tremendous sense of movement, very dynamic. Finding

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>them was a challenge. Clifford stills are rare. You don't

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>know where in the current universe there's going to be

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a Clifford still for sale and one that someone might

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>let you get your hands on. I mean, they're not

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>sitting there in people's inventory. I had a colleague who

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>came in and said to me, could you sell a

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>great Clifford still, a great early still? And I said,

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you bet you I can, And he said, I know

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>where there is one. There's a beauty, and Ann Friedman

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>has it. Francis rushed over to the notler. She was stunned.

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>The painting was perfect, the Jagon mountains, the colors, perfect size.

0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I had sold to pictures of this pure so over

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a period. It took me, you know, fifteen years to

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>find the first one, twenty years to find the second one.

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>But of course it had no provenance. Oh I remember

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>very specifically because I said, this has no provenance and

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been exhibited anywhere. And so Anne wrote me

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>an email saying that it belonged to a Mexican who

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>had gotten it directly from Clifford Still and had been

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>in the same family that entire time to close the

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>deal and made an unusual promised to Francis. If we

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>did the deal, she would reveal the provenance to me.

0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I showed it to a wonderful restorer, very good friend

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of mine, Alan goldrac who had been the restorer who

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>had unwrapped all the Clifford stills for the Metropolitan Museum's retrospective.

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Francis also showed the painting to David an fhem as

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>much the Clifford still expert as the ultimate connoisseur for

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Pollock and Rothcobe. He had liked the picture very much.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Despite the positive affirmations from experts, Francis remained wary. So

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I said to Anne, I need a Nodler guarantee, and

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to guarantee the authenticity of this picture with

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Noler behind it, so if the authenticity is questioned, you

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>return the money to the client. And what did she

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>say to that? Fine? And I got her to write

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>a guarantee of authenticity on the Clifford still, and I

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>gave a copy of it to the client. And at

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that point I thought you know what, We're safe if

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing possibly happens and something goes wrong. It

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is a Nodler guarantee, and no Ler is the last

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>place in the world that would renege on any kind

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 1>of guarantee. With that baby and two fellow dealers put

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>their money down about one million dollars. They sold it

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for one point one million to the collector who had

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>pushed for the still in the first place. An entire

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>decade passed no issues with the painting. Popped up curiously, however,

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and failed to keep her side of the bargain with Francis.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>She didn't tell me who she got the picture phone.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I probably should have pressed her on that, but I

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't because I think once I had obtained this Nodler

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>guarantee in writing, I thought that I had sort of

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>an impregnable defense. So fast forward to two thousand eleven,

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Pierre Lagrange shouts it from the rooftops that he's paid

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>seventeen million dollars for a fake Pollock. What was your

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>reaction to that news. I'm not sure I want to

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>say it on air. I mean, holy moley, um, we

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 1>were absolutely stunned. We went and did the forensic testing

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it had some kind of white in it

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that hadn't been invented back then. And also the pigments

0:36:55.960 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>were of more recent vintage. God, so at that point

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>obviously you had to call your customer, who who bought

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the painting. We said, we're going to give you back

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>your money and sue and I think we um We

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>sent him a check for one million, one thousand, but

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>he said to us that he thought the picture was

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.959
<v Speaker 1>now worth three million and he was going to sue

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.959
<v Speaker 1>us for that much money. I mean the suit must

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>have cost three yo dollars. And then we finally settled.

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>You settled with Ndler, which, of course, by now was

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>almost like a dead man walking, right. I mean it

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>had closed in officially, so you were you were negotiating

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>with a company that did it even exist. Right. We

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>were in the same boat as everybody else. Little by little,

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>lots of people were settling to get something. So we

0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>were out the million dollars. We were out the cost

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>of the litigation a million four so maybe it was

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>more like a million plus. Well, that must have haunted

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>you for a long time. It was a terrible thing

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.720
<v Speaker 1>for the profession. I'm the secretary of the Art Dealers

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Association of America. And I'm an art historian and I

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 1>love the art dealing profession. It's full of wonderful, devoted

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>experts and people who love art. And this was just

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>a devastating blow. So it was on everybody's lips, and

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 1>it made you feel like you've gone from decades and

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>decades devoted to doing the right thing and suddenly you

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>were all like in cahoots with al Capone. Yeah, it

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>was hugely distressing. What happened to the painting. By the way,

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>it's because we got the painting back and it was

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>in our basement and I really wanted to take it out,

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>take it to, you know, the Clifford Still Museum, and

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, stand it up and look at other pictures

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>of that vintage and figure out how why I had

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>how I had made this mistake. There's no question that

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>was a fake. But it was so damn good. It

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>was in the story to Richard Fannigan and Company. And

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>when we closed, when Richard left that building, I don't

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>know where it is and I kind of have a

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>mental note of trying to track it down and find

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>out where it is. By March two, twelves had a

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>team of lawyers harnessed up. Domenico Disle was a gentle

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>family man, but being cond out of eight point four

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>million dollars set of fire raging in his Italian soul.

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't just set on getting his money back. He

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted triple damages, a so called WECo penalty for what

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>amounted to a conspiracy among all of the defendants. A

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>trio of top art fraud lawyers began inundating the Knodler

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>with demands for documents. The number of artists, the number

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of unknown works that cheap prices, know they're got them

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>for the incredible markups they sold them for. That's in

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:37.439
<v Speaker 1>the papers we got in the first few months. Those

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>are just invoices from the nother gallery. I spoke with

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the Disols attorneys, Aaron Crowle, Emily royce Baum and Gregory

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Clark at their law offices, so we had discovery from

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>them relatively early on with those documents. So you know,

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a big part of the case, right from the beginning,

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 1>right and also early on, before Jamie Martin had had

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to examine a number of different works like

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>he had looked at Pierre Le Grange's work. I think

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>he had looked at ours. We were telling the judge,

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>this is like you go to Canal Street and there's

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a table. You don't have to one watches fake. They're

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>all fake. You don't have to test them all to

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 1>know that they're all fake. And sure enough, Jamie proved

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>that it was the same paint for the Pollock, for

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the roth Cooe. You know that spread ten years apart.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Over the course of the two years between when we

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>filed the case and leading guilty. Over the course of

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that time, Jamie Martin ultimately had access to eighteen works

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>out of the fort on the list, and he proved

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>every single one was a fake. What emerged was what

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>we showed that trial with the witness testimony, that there

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>were no experts who authenticated these paintings. For another it

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>just didn't happen. The lawyers came up with six red

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>flags clear indicators of a criminal enterprise. The one that

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>seems to interest people the most is the profits. And

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, our expert testified that ordinarily in the secondary market,

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the dealer will make twenty to thirty percent of a profit.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So they buy for a hundred dollars, they sell for

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a hundred thirty dollars, they get to pocket thirty dollars. No,

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>there was making hundreds from the very beginning, making hundreds

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of percent profits, and as the scheme went on, it

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>multiplied to six hundred, seven hundred, eight hundred percent. Now

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>instead of just a little deep in corn on paper,

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you had a pollock, you had a bunch of them,

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>had a bunch of them, and so you know, and

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the profits were a loan, a signal. And I think

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>this is that hit the jurors the most, that the

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>profits were a signal that, like, something was wrong here.

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>But the number of works was wildly off the charts.

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>By early two thousand thirteen, the lawyers for the Soles

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>had done enough discovery to feel they had a rock

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>solid case. Jason Hernandez wasn't so sure, and assistant district

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>attorney specializing in fraud cases in New York City's Second District,

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Hernandez had come to be wary of fraud cases built

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>on the testimony of experts. That was testimony the defense

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>could easily counter with experts of their own. After all,

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 1>who was to say which expert would be right? Hernandez

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>knew the case would be an enormous challenge. There were

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>an unusually large number of prominent people who seemingly were

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>going to stand by the paintings and say that they

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>were real. That is uncommon, and I could see right away. Well,

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, how do you get over that? Because if

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the person selling them is showing them to all of

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>these steam people and they're saying, yep, looks right to me,

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>looks good to me, that's not a criminal case anymore.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Despite the mountain of lawsuits, only one case would go

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 1>to trial. Eleanor and Domenico de Soule versus the defendants

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and friedmanfro Rosalee, carlos Bergantino's, Michael Hammer and the NLAR Gallery.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next time on art Fraud, Why looks so awflyet

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