WEBVTT - Mailbag Mayhem: The Dos Amigos Get Personal

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how you doing. This is Freddy Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is you're listening to those of egos. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>some of you may be watching us now, so that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>So all love to you guys who have been enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Interesting episode for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Yes, yes, indeed, it's kind the first of it's kind.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a bunch of crazy questions from the fans

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<v Speaker 1>that we are going to tackle today.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I want to check in. How are you today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, right, yeah, man, you I'm good. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>good as well. We're both carrying things, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's I just wanted to check in with you.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you either either way, this is uh not

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<v Speaker 2>about us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about us. It's about the fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby, about the fans. It's about those of you who

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<v Speaker 2>have been supporting Freddy and Wilmer for all this years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is about those true fans have been there from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning. And this is also about our new fans

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<v Speaker 2>who have discovered those amigos as a place for laughs, certainty,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some information and some useless useless life, useless life

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<v Speaker 2>that some insight, some insight, Yeah, Leo you're you're here

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<v Speaker 2>with us too. Leo clam Uh, Leo klam in the

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<v Speaker 2>house had a podcast for WB Sound and also our

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<v Speaker 2>lead executive producer here on those amigos. You're gonna ask

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Answerr Yeah, I mean we just left an open forum

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<v Speaker 3>for our listeners, and I think people want to get

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<v Speaker 3>to know y'all, but also just want to show some

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<v Speaker 3>love and support.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I grabbed a handful of them and we can

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<v Speaker 3>get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, list wrong, Yeah, let's get us.

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<v Speaker 3>Started, So we'll start. This one's coming in from Sharon. Sharon,

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<v Speaker 3>good morning. My question is for both of you, what

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<v Speaker 3>is your favorite Western? Have a great day? Be someone special? Sharon,

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<v Speaker 3>short and sweet, very.

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<v Speaker 2>Short and sweet, and she's demanding that we become someone special.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she demanded she said, be someone special.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's very sweet. We're always trying to be our

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<v Speaker 2>best favorite Western. I gotta say I just saw American

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<v Speaker 2>Primeval on Netflix. Who wow, Wow. It absolutely blew me away.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Peter Berg directed it. Am I right to

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<v Speaker 1>say that? Taylor Kitch Wow, I mean I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he injected it was like the matrix. John Wick

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<v Speaker 1>choreography meets like a Western. It was such a It's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the freshest newest take I've seen on a Western

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<v Speaker 1>in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool, It's cool. What is it about? It's about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Kitch's character is tasked to escort a mother and

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<v Speaker 1>her son across across.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Utah? I think it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh is at it during the Utah War? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but just his execution was so unique and different and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, it just incorporated all of this wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>fight choreography in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He's always so great that. Yeah, Peter has an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing team. It does. Yeah. Yeah. And Taylor, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's awesome, big, big big ups to Uh. He's he's phenomenal,

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<v Speaker 2>really great guy. Yeah, really really sweet man. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>really deserves that. That's awesome. I'm going to hear that

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<v Speaker 2>kid to watch that for me. I'm gonna go back

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Obviously, the world is split on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not be the greatest Western of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has my heart. Tombstone, tombstone, Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Russell, Sam Elliot, Val Kilmer, shout out to Shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to Kurt Yeah, he's the great Val Kilmer as well,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best performances of his entire career. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Holliday. Yeah, that that movie. If you haven't watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a really interesting time. It was at a

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads of cinema where like it was, some stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>bubble gum and popcorn and some actually were still really

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<v Speaker 2>cool eighties, late eighties, early nineties, you know, filmmaking. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, it's it's it's a great story

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<v Speaker 2>about a group of guys who you know, want to

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<v Speaker 2>go clean and they want to just you know, stop

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<v Speaker 2>the huzzle, you know, and they're kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>traveling you know, I guess casino, right, They were bringing

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<v Speaker 2>like cars, they were playing cars. They were like dealers

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and they didn't find out they also had

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<v Speaker 2>a skill to be badass cowboys, you know. And what

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<v Speaker 2>why did you like it so much? Just like the

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<v Speaker 2>story I think I think the I think the coming

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<v Speaker 2>into a town who needs you there you you you

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<v Speaker 2>somehow relenting decide that you're going to take the role

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<v Speaker 2>of they want you to be the sheriff or the

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<v Speaker 2>ranger or whatever they want you to take care of the town.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the only ones to stand up against tyranny, and

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<v Speaker 2>the tirony comes and hits back hard, and it's just about, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're here to clean this town, right. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, very traditional Western wester. I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of you ever dot a Western?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so, No, you.

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<v Speaker 2>I directed a Western music video, but that was a

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<v Speaker 2>different life life Yeah what what what video? It was

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<v Speaker 2>a song called Salute for sky Blue, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>LFL guys, and uh and uh yeah, I did a

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<v Speaker 2>whole full Western and I went and shot with the

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<v Speaker 2>sho uh you know, django and all that, and and

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<v Speaker 2>he was crazy. I had horses. Yeah, it was very cool, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but the song is very silly, so it didn't match

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<v Speaker 2>the cinematic Scholl But but it was beautiful. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>really really fun salude. I got to check it out. Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>did you you worked on Salute? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was That was one of my first things where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I need a crane shot inside this bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was like shit, Yeah, it was pretty pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a Ryan Posts who's our DP here on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, so he worked on it. Yeah, yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was working with us on that music video. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a really unique music video and I hope it's

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<v Speaker 2>on your real but I really like that and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>anything cleaning is with ny. That's why watching that with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad that was cool. Awesome. Next question, very.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool from Monica. Monica, Dear Freddie, Dear Wilmer, many thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to the great podcast. I enjoy listening to and watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>Also a big thank you to the whole team. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she goes, sorry for my English, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not my mother tongue. Best regards from Germany, Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's start with which movie slash series would you

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<v Speaker 3>like to be in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I guess if there was a series in our

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<v Speaker 2>history and trajectory, which one would you we would have

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<v Speaker 2>uh loved to be a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>I really you know, my my favorite series is Breaking Bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember watching that series and being so blown

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<v Speaker 1>away by it.

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<v Speaker 2>So at different, how for freshing, how unique, what a

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<v Speaker 2>tone for TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the voice was so strong on that show. Vince

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<v Speaker 1>Gilligan's voice on that show, his sense of silence, his

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<v Speaker 1>use of silence without saying words and conveying emotion. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it just spoke to me and my instrument as an actor,

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<v Speaker 1>and like man, I would have I would have been

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<v Speaker 1>an extra on that show if I could have.

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to. Uh, I always wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>punch for Chips. That sounded very cool with me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I see it. I wanted to be punching the Chips movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long story about that in my book, American Story.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's invited everywhere you get your book and your audiobooks,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I set it up over there, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the studio just like randomly decided we got

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<v Speaker 2>to hold on old titles, you know. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>had just done three hundred, they had just done you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Batman yea, and they've done a lot of success with that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and and they also had lots to do

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<v Speaker 2>so Hazards. So I was like, oh, this is an opportunity, right, duke.

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<v Speaker 2>So hazard they're pretty decent, So why not I just

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<v Speaker 2>go and pitch that, And you know, they went for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, for reasons that are always mysterious to us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, producers and actors, they decided they needed to

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<v Speaker 2>hold the beat on it, right, But we had already

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<v Speaker 2>developed the script. We had to develop everything whatever and

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<v Speaker 2>and he just didn't move forward, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>later they you know, they still made it anyways, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I kind of found out way later when

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they were already kind of the train had

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<v Speaker 2>already left. But anyways, my point is Punch, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Punch felt like it was like at that

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<v Speaker 2>time Latino Spider Man, like he was that superhero there

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<v Speaker 2>like we didn't have on TV. So Erica Strotta was

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<v Speaker 2>like that guy who's like, you know, so charming, so lively,

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<v Speaker 2>so so you know, so intoxicated, and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>the dude was like just a big deal on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So I felt like that was kind of a fun

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<v Speaker 2>thing to look up to. So Punch would have been

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<v Speaker 2>playing Punch on a TV series. But I'm talking about then, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not like a remake or I Want to Lunch or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever like the in the seventies. Yeah, if I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the Live in the seventies, that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a cool show for me to do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so so you got specific with a character.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, another one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, in my neighborhood, Miami, Vice like that

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<v Speaker 1>used to come on and all the kids used to

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<v Speaker 1>go inside the house. It used to be that, And

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<v Speaker 1>it was this other show called crime Story that I

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<v Speaker 1>think Michael Mann also produced a Dennis Farina starring and

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Story.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember that one. They were

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<v Speaker 2>back to back, but yeah, yeah yeah, man, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it was a kid?

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<v Speaker 2>You ever watch what was that?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that?

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<v Speaker 2>What was that show?

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<v Speaker 1>With Ricky Schroeder? He played like like Richie rich, like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a rich kid silver spoons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember watching what My brothers like, whoa what he has?

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<v Speaker 1>He has like a train in his house, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like all those toys. You know, we'd be imagining like

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<v Speaker 1>living that's luxury.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can have a train track inside your house,

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<v Speaker 2>that felt like luxury somehow. Yeah. Yeah. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>there's just shows out there like you just you look

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<v Speaker 2>at those shows and you're like, oh many like to

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<v Speaker 2>be alive at a moment with the show hasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>hit the air, and you don't know what's kind of do?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it good?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>To him it becomes this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you must have felt interestingly similar when you

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<v Speaker 2>did Six Feet Under, right, because six Feet Under was

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<v Speaker 2>like the first of its kind, Like who would have

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<v Speaker 2>thought of a pitch, like, how do you pitch that show?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that show happened. You know, Alan Ball had just

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<v Speaker 1>won an oscar, which was crazy because he was coming

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<v Speaker 1>off of a lot of people don't know that he

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<v Speaker 1>was a sitcom writer all through the nineties. He did

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<v Speaker 1>like Grace, Underfire and you know shows like that the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and so, which is how I met him. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was doing a sitcom called Oh Grow Up,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob green Blatt and David John Larry were producing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're shooting it at CBS Rafford, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>coming to work every day and it'd be a poster

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<v Speaker 1>up for American Beauty, the movie he did, And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember sitting like the in the makeup chair, and then

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<v Speaker 1>makeup people would be like, Oh, see that poster up there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Alan's movie. You know, I'm thinking like, wow, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing a TV show on a movie. And and so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the movie came out and the TV show

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<v Speaker 1>came out around the same time, and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like a thirteen episode sitcom on ABC, and unfortunately it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do well. But the movie came out and started

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<v Speaker 1>to slowly become a phenomenon and so it was just

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<v Speaker 1>it was a dynamic I've never seen before, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as the show was failing, the movie was ascending, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually the show got canceled, and then he won an Oscar,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he was in a really unique position after

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<v Speaker 1>winning that Oscar to do whatever he wanted to. And

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<v Speaker 1>back then there was a big difference between TV and film,

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<v Speaker 1>right where now the lines of blurred, but back then

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't blurred. And so people thought he was crazy

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to go back to doing TV after

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<v Speaker 1>he won the Oscar. You know, everyone thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go do a film and so and so

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<v Speaker 1>he was in this unique position and took meetings everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe the story goes that he met with

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<v Speaker 1>Carolyn Strauss over at HBO and and it was after

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<v Speaker 1>the first season of Sopranos and after the second season

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<v Speaker 1>of of Sex and the City, and they were just like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to do? And and he loved

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<v Speaker 1>he always loved TV, but he really loved the creative

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<v Speaker 1>freedom over at HBO. And and I think that I

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<v Speaker 1>think Carolyn might have had the idea of doing something

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<v Speaker 1>about a family that ran a funeral home and and

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<v Speaker 1>and they just kind of built off of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he came back and pitched the idea and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rest was history. So it's sort of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know right place, right time, and you and you

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<v Speaker 2>can trust the leadership and and then you're beyond set

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, god, this is so unique, so different.

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<v Speaker 1>It clicks right like you just never really know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. We we we certainly didn't know. We knew

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<v Speaker 1>we did something special. We knew that, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a graveyard for shows that were a

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<v Speaker 1>special that that never hit you know that you can

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<v Speaker 1>go back and watch right then you go, wow, that

0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that was special. But it just didn't click, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we we certainly ran the danger of becoming one of

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<v Speaker 1>those shows. But uh so you know, we we we

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<v Speaker 1>shot the pilot and they saw the pilot and then

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<v Speaker 1>we shot the entire first season in a vacuum, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just didn't know what we had, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it came out and it became a phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>No you guys, I mean that was the standard. People

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<v Speaker 2>were like, you can go that, I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 2>dream that way and going that direction. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think with US coupled with sopranos, coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>Sex and the City, it was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>you really saw film like quality on television in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>executed that way. And I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>just came from a lot of our directors came from film,

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<v Speaker 1>and and Alan just won an oscar in film and

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<v Speaker 1>HBO gave us film freedom, and so it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was all of that that was happening, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>taking chances where where you know, how it is at

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<v Speaker 1>a network, right, it's it's all about, uh, the regime

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<v Speaker 1>that's there and and and what their motives are and

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<v Speaker 1>what their objectives are. And but that that regime there

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<v Speaker 1>with Carolyn Strauss and uh Chris Albrech I think was

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<v Speaker 1>running the studio at the time, and some other really

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<v Speaker 1>great executives were there. They're their objective was just to

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<v Speaker 1>just to be pioneers and to and to do something

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<v Speaker 1>different than to give the artists, the artist meaning meaning

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<v Speaker 1>the Alan Balls, the showrunners of the world, complete creative

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<v Speaker 1>autonomy to go forward. And and I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why it became the real you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>hit that it became you know, Alan. Alan was always like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you hired me for a reason, like like,

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<v Speaker 1>let me do what you hired me to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I feel that that's the mistake. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is not shipping on like executives or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes I feel that there needs to be a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy balance between executives and and you know, them giving

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<v Speaker 1>their notes and putting their fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of these notes are also fear right, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest problem with executive notes, it's like fear to

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<v Speaker 2>get it wrong. Yeah, And so eventually they start molding

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<v Speaker 2>you into something they've sold before or that's working right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not sometimes the right mutation for whatever you're creating.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know that that type of experiment of like

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<v Speaker 2>two for you, three for me, it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, But that's why I worked there because

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation of their whole network was completely different.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. They said at HBO one time I went

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<v Speaker 2>to pitch something at HBO and they said the show

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<v Speaker 2>has to be something that it could only be made

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<v Speaker 2>at HBO. That was that was the that was the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that you're going to pitch something over here, it

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be something that can live anywhere else. But of

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<v Speaker 2>course that all went out of the window when streaming

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<v Speaker 2>platforms and everybody started doing thing like House of Cards

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<v Speaker 2>and Stranger Things, Breaking Bad, Breaking Bad, you know, all

0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.480
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff. Walking Dead, They're like, whoa, whoa. Like

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<v Speaker 2>now the world's like, oh, we can also do that too,

0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.359
<v Speaker 2>and right, so that was interesting in the world. But

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<v Speaker 2>they created that business model.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no one, I mean there was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Showtime was doing a couple of shows at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think FX had Nip Talk, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Murphy was doing Nip Tuck there. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of instances elsewhere that people were taking chances

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. But for the most part, you know, network

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<v Speaker 1>TV ruled, and the way that they did TV ruled.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Alan one time said to me, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after I did after I wrote the pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he said, or after he did the pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes. The only note he got from the network

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<v Speaker 1>was make it more fucked up, and that completely shocked

0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.080
<v Speaker 1>him because he goes, Dude, I spent an entire decade

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<v Speaker 1>of life right on network TV shows where you would

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<v Speaker 1>get dreams and reams of pages of notes, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was so used to that that it shocked him to

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<v Speaker 1>get one note off of this part.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when they just tell you, hey, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>they get more fucked up. Yeah, we'll run, yeah, run faster,

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<v Speaker 2>keep running.

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<v Speaker 1>Where it's usually the opposite, right, it's like make it

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<v Speaker 1>less fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, more modern family.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard, yeah where they were they were running in

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite direction, and he he just so wasn't used

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<v Speaker 1>to that. So, you know, it was it was, it

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly the it was the perfect storm. Man. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like it was as close to a perfect experience

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<v Speaker 1>as I've ever had on anything. I mean, where at

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<v Speaker 1>the Sunset and Gower Studios. Okay, it was in l A, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in La Yeah, and we had you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>our producer Alan Pool, you know, he'd come back from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere and I was like, well, where were you And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh's that Sundance And I was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing there? He goes, I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>see who all the new independent directors were, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was and he was hand like picking the hot independent

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<v Speaker 1>directors coming out of Sundance and and you know, Toronto Film.

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<v Speaker 2>Festival and stuff to come and direct our episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So it was this it was this creative

0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.360
<v Speaker 1>whirlwind that was happening there of all the best writers

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and directors and actors and and people coming from the

0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.200
<v Speaker 1>theater to come and work on the show. Uh, I

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.600
<v Speaker 1>mean it was it was a near near I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know they use that that saying like

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the stars were aligned. Yeah, the stars were certainly aligned. Man,

0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:44.639
<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a perfect storm for TV. Yeah, yeah, you could.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, you couldn't have made that show anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And so you know, it makes me proud

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.000
<v Speaker 1>when I see shows like Breaking Bad. You know, I

0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 1>watched that show, and it makes me a little nostalgia

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.200
<v Speaker 1>because I go, oh, I see what you're doing. Like,

0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, because we use silence a lot, you know

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.719
<v Speaker 1>on our show, a sense of silence, and there were

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.080
<v Speaker 1>certain tones that were similar. And use the network, you

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>have to be talking all the time. Yeah you can't

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<v Speaker 1>just said still Yeah. I try to do that on

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Is.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to like have beats from I internalized something

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<v Speaker 2>and my closters are like, are they going like this today?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello today? Yeah, dude, let me process you know, Leo,

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<v Speaker 2>What what are the questions you have?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's gonna be a quick one. You're whisked away to

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<v Speaker 3>a karaoke bar by friends. Which song do you sing?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Easy, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Karaoke bar. I just saw the Billy Joe documentary the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and like I went, I went to Scotland

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<v Speaker 1>when my son was going to school there, and we

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<v Speaker 1>passed this like I don't know what it was, was

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<v Speaker 1>a bar, piano bar or whatever, and Piano Man came

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<v Speaker 1>on and I was blown away by by the camaraderie

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that that song caused.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how I wakes up in the bar?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody was so in sync on this one,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've never seen that before. And then after seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the documentary, I'm gonna have to say, piano Man, what

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<v Speaker 1>about you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Jesse's Girl and Jesse's Girl Girl in Jersey

0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>that plays in Jersey game game or oh yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it would be I go with like with

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff that like I only I grew up with, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a point where I would do Ricky Martin

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<v Speaker 2>songs because it would make people laugh. What do you mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like Villa Loka, living up Vida look and then I

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<v Speaker 2>just hit the hips I like, and people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>whoa am I seeing double.

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<v Speaker 1>You? Would you wear the the leather pants?

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<v Speaker 2>Well I always yeah, yeah, that was leather pants for

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands. Didn't you have leather pants? I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think there was one time you came to the club

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<v Speaker 2>to meet me and you were wearing leather club bets.

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<v Speaker 2>Was either you or Adam Rodriguez. Shout out to Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Driguez and his leather pants from the early two thousands. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna listen to this and be like, why do

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<v Speaker 2>you tell people we got wear.

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<v Speaker 1>Pants that I don't wear and question about his leather pants.

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<v Speaker 2>We should have Adam here, We should we should talk

0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 2>about talk about a silly fun time that would be.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be so good, such a good guy, and

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I can confront him on his leathers like he never wore.

0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:42.800
<v Speaker 2>You can confront him. We're like, hey, we had an

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 2>episode when he talked about your leather pants. Yeah, and

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>he's like, what leather pants? You know he's just gonna argue.

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 2>We're like, bro, the leather pants. Remember we went to

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.120
<v Speaker 2>like that you know, that rooftop bar, and you showed

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.880
<v Speaker 2>up wearing black leather pants and just like keep going

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 2>over and see how far he Eventually he'll be like,

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess I wore leather bay Convince who well remember,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would do something like Matchbox twenty, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back to good Yeah, shout out to Rob Thomas, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite people on the planet. Beautiful man, beautiful person,

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's beautiful wife Maddy big shut out. I wasn't

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 2>actually in a Rob Thomas singles music video ever the

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 2>same I was in the music video for them, and

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like, for me at the time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a drink control. I still have match Pox twenty. Well,

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I actually still love match Past twenty. They perform I'm going,

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh so I do that, and then I

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.960
<v Speaker 2>will do like one of some of the songs from

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Santana's Supernatural Maria Maria, I got everybody singing at

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>that time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in a very sort of early two thousands, late nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of that's why. Yeah, that's who you are,

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you living, you live in that time frame, That's who

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, next next question.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, this question is from James. This one's for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Freddie yep, hi, Freddie can you please talk about working

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<v Speaker 3>with a great Italian star, gian Carlo Giannini, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Walk in the Clouds. What do you learn from him,

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 3>stories you shared, et cetera. Love that film and you're

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<v Speaker 3>working it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so where does he live?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Question is crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, wow, what a unique question. Working with gian

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<v Speaker 1>Carlo Janini was an insight into what it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been like to make movies in the sixties and seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so, so it's a it's a feeling, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I can't really put my finger on, like

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>watching him and Anthony Quinn together and Anthony spoke Italian

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and they would be there telling stories about their escapade

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<v Speaker 1>aid in the seventies and sixties, and like he just

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>carried himself like a like a seventies movie star. In fact,

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I loved his name so much. I named my oldest

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 1>son my oldest son's name is young Carlo and it

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>was the first time I had heard that name. And uh,

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and we named my son that And when my son

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>was born, I called him and told him that I

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 1>named my son after him. I mean, I don't know

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it was after him exactly, but he gave me an

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>excuse to call him again.

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I remember doing that that film, and uh,

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I loved just watching him, you know, I was. I

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen years old when I did that movie. I was,

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I was right out of high school, and I would

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I was so blown away by seeing him and Anthony

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>in their process and doing what they were doing. I

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>just loved watching those guys because I had no clue,

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, and those guys would be in there and

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd be like and they're and you know, getting to

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that emotion place and you know where I was like

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>shy and and still trying to like find my footing

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>in film. And then you had like Keanu Reeves and

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that equation also. So it was just a bunch of

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>heavyweights in there. But he was. He was an absolute

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>gentleman and a and a pleasure to work with him

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and his family. I remember his son was there and

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>some of his kids were there, and they were they

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>were just wonderful. It's a great, great experience. Shout out

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>to Gean Carlo Jeanini.

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Awesome. What else you got?

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 3>This one's from Lorena, Lorena, Hi Wilmer, and Freddie. Thanks

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 3>for making you laugh every week. I'm wondering when it

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 3>was a time in your life when you took a

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 3>big risk and how did it change you. I'm making

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 3>a big career pivot and I'm starting to freak out

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 3>a little about whether it'll payoff. I would love to

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 3>hear of those moments when you took a risk with admiration, Lorena.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you take a risk? Was was starting your company

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>taking a risk?

0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And it's it's the risk, right, It is still

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a risk. I mean, you're you continue to input your

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>You're investing and investing and investing, and you're waiting for

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 2>that moment where like it's a stains itself, you know.

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>And thankfully now most of my companies are you know,

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>at least sustaining themselves, right, But in a world where

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 2>people are buying less and making less, you know, it's

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it's still a risk to help production company. But you know,

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>your ability to weather the storm is what gives you

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the best shot, you know at actually eventually finding yourself

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 2>on stead making something now. But you know, i'd say

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>when you talk about big risk, I mean I would

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>say doing something no one in my family had the technology,

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the knowledge, the resources, the most fathom idea that that

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:47.959
<v Speaker 2>would that would be possible, which is this thing, Oh,

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 2>I want to be an actor. That's crazy.

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>The trajectory I was having at the time is either

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 2>I was going to be a psychologist or you know,

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I was going to join the Air Force or something,

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I want to fly planes. So like

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>it could have gone either way. We've had these conversations

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>before in the podcast, but these are really big leaps

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of faith, you know. Also the same thing with like,

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, switching gears in life is never simple, But

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 2>if you're switching tracks, there's something about you that's telling

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you that you know, you got what it takes to

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 2>do it right. Otherwise you wouldn't take that chance, right,

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's something about that that you have

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to kind of trust yourself, right, You've got to trust

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that you've earned that change of gear, you know, somehow.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm kind of still thinking a little

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>bit about that. I'm still thinking a little bit about

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>what are some of these stories. But everything that we

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>do in our career is Freddie is a leap of faith.

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Everything come up with an idea, I'm going to write

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it down, I'm going to try to sell it. Right,

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>or I'm going to take this part on this TV show.

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I hope it goes a second. Like everything's a little

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>bit of a risk, but I will say that a song,

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>as you are continuing to perform within your strength and

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you're focusing on your personal contribution to what you're hoping

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 2>to get out of you know you, you're the odds

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>are for you and with you on that, I don't know,

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>what do you think? Yeah, yeah, and you're right.

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this before. What a risk it was

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>to just to become an actor right starting there, coming

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>from the type of families that we came from and

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>what was expected of us, So that was a risk.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Or I started producing about a decade ago, twelve years ago,

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and I started writing, and these were these were avenues

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that I felt in my gut that I could be

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>good at. You know, there are other things that I'm

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>interested in, but like my gut was telling me that

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I could potentially be pretty good at this stuff. And

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I tried producing and and I thought I did a

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty good job. I've been writing more lately and I

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 1>thought I did a pretty good job. And so like,

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>if I could impart any advice to you, Lodana is

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>to just follow your gut. Like and that's one thing

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that I was born with.

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I think I have.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I have really good instincts, really really deep, deep good

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:29.479
<v Speaker 1>instincts about about tone, about projects, about putting people together,

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>or being able to read something and recognizing whether it's

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>good or not, or watching something and being able to

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>recognize if it's good or not. And a lot of

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>times my instincts drives my choices, you know, you know,

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I just I just did a I just did a

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>horror movie. And and you know, sometimes what happens is like,

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, if the budget is not thirty forty million

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>dollars for example, you know, people kind of go ah,

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's kind of lower. It's kind of this,

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of that, you know. I never look at

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>projects like what's is it? Is it a million dollar,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars ten million dollar budget or what have you?

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I'm able to read something and my

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>gut will tell me if something is good or not,

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, or I could I could meet with a

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>director and a writer and know, like my gut will

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>tell me if they're if they're good or not. And

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>so I've just followed my gut. I haven't followed what

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>people tell me I should or I shouldn't be doing.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, so anyway to answer the question within all

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that takes a lot of risk because you're putting yourself

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>on the line. You're going to people that you trust,

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>who who You're putting your brand on the line. You're

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>telling people I wrote the script. They're looking at you

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>like you're crazy because you're an actor, and then they

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>read it and they go, oh shit, no, this is

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>this is really good. Or you say hey, I'm producing

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>this movie and they look at you like you're crazy

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>because you're an actor, and then you execute the production

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of the movie and they're like, oh wow, I didn't

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I never knew you could do it right. But if

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I were to listen to the people who look at

0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>me like I'm crazy every time I tell them I'm

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna produce something new or write something new, that I

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>would never get anywhere. I'd just be the actor at

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.239
<v Speaker 1>home waiting for the phone to ring.

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wanted to add something to what you were saying,

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>because you trigger a different I take trigger another perspective

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that kind of it's in line with what you're saying.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 2>The times that I've been the most scared to take

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a leap of faith, I realized I wasn't prepared to

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>make the leap you weren't prepared to take. I gotcha.

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I knew that was the right chance. I knew that

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that that was the right bed, it was the right gamble, right,

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't ready for it, you know, And I

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>think you're timing on. Once you switch gears in your

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>life and when you take this leap of faith, it's

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>absolutely part of the ingredients of the perfect storm, whether

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is going to work or not. For me. The times

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that I've been the most concerned, nervous, or or or

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, or fearful of this is when I haven't

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>done enough homework about it, when I'm having had you know,

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the proper you know research to say, Okay, I know

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>enough about this, and now I can try, you know,

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>because imposter syndrome is always going to happen when you're

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>doing something new. But if you put in the hours

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>to understand where you're going, you're not you're possibly not

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>going to take a wrong turn right, You're probably not

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 2>going to get off early. You're going to just keep

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>driving because you kind of know what to expect a

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit. And I think that's I think that's probably

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the thing the trigger to me the most when you

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>started talking about that stuff, is that, you know, those

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>are the times where I feel like, oh, let me

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>take pause, Like am I doing the right thing? It's

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>when I haven't really prepared. I mean, my research enough,

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you know and all that, and now I don't have

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>time to not do the research, right, You got to

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>know what you're doing, right. It's like yestakes are very

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>high now, but and a lot of that is following

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>your gut, right, right, this is likely where it is.

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't you feel like you've developed your instinct over the

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>last two three decades?

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally. I think that that that got feeling that

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to do this and it has to happen

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>because you can breathe without it. And that's very important, right,

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>because if you're not happy with where you are in

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 2>the moment, if you're not happy where where things are

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>at in your life in this moment, maybe this is

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 2>time to.

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Do a little bit of a nodded yeah, yeah, I mean,

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but that's that's ambition, right. But I also think that

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 1>there's an instinctual part to it as well that you possess, right,

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Like that's your ambition, going like I got I, this

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>has to happen.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I have to do it.

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But but you're also good at at like your gut

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>telling you whether something is good or not. Like I

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>remember a couple of months ago we were at your

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>office and you showed me like a like a trailer

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>for a new documentary that you were you were producing

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>with the photographer, and I remember watching the trailer and

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>going like, holy cow, man, this trailer is like it's

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>so good, Like I can just see it. I can

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>feel it all in just that trailer, the tone of

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the documentary and even that other documentary you produced, the

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>The TikTok Dancer, The Devil's for the Devil. Yeah.

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>So so what you're showing me and the stuff that

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>you're producing in the documentary world is that you have

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a really strong instinct for choosing the right stuff that

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you want to do.

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Even when when we embarked on this journey of this podcast, right,

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't really know anything about podcasts, right, but

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>my gut was telling me through our conversations and what

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you wanted it to be. My gut was telling me, Oh,

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>this feels right, This feels like it could be good

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and it could be executed well. And and I think

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>that my gut was right, you know, and I can

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>tell you right now circle to the why this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been man of our word. What we said we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to do and how we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and what it was going to about, what

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<v Speaker 2>was going about esthetically, what it was going to look like,

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<v Speaker 2>and how it was going to land and what it

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<v Speaker 2>could really mean to our community. I think we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, I think we got there. How many

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<v Speaker 2>episodes so far we've done this is this is thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about thirty two episodes that we've done so far.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've had thirty two conversations. Some of them have

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<v Speaker 2>gone over an hour, an hour and a half, two hours, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So think about how many how much time you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have spent together kind of breaking down and missed it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the mysticism of our existence and turn it

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<v Speaker 2>into like just relatable life, life paths. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of that. And this is exactly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two conversations ago, what we said, what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do and for better or worse, right, like whether

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<v Speaker 2>it works or it doesn't, right. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>And what you want to do is you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to go to sleep knowing that what we

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<v Speaker 2>said we were going to do it exactly, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. We did it the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it. It's when you allowed other drift is of

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe include this, maybe become that, maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the topical stuff like we're not going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>topical things like this, this is irrelevant to us. It

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<v Speaker 2>happens right now, and then another thirty minutes something new happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, I'm not jumping you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you and I will ever jump in the wagon of

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<v Speaker 2>like what's hot in the news right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but the ever green of what's important to our cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's why this is, this is important and

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<v Speaker 2>I and you know, I always encourage everybody who has

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<v Speaker 2>a platform to just create destinations where it's safe to

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<v Speaker 2>speak and carry yourself the way that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have for thirty two conversations. Yeah, but it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was for me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my own you know, experience with this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is my gut, my instinct when you presented the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>My gut told me to do it. My gut told

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<v Speaker 1>me to do it for a plethora of different reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just in in in the conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>we've had that that the execution was going to be satisfactory.

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<v Speaker 1>It was going to be good, you know, because because

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<v Speaker 1>how many times have you been in meetings or you've

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<v Speaker 1>been in conversations with with people who are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>women were come and jump on this project. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be this, It's going to be that, right, they

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<v Speaker 1>promise you it's gonna be X, Y and Z, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you you go and you knock it out, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you see it in the theater and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, wow, this is really terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>And my instinct was telling me it's going to be terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't listen to my instinct because that fall

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, you see, like the matrix now, right,

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<v Speaker 2>when somebody come ask you with a similar situation, you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's going to turn out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's you start navigating life based on the

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<v Speaker 2>ripples of you know, how it all kind of works

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<v Speaker 2>out right, and how it all builds out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but haven't you ever been like where your instinct

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<v Speaker 1>tells you you probably shouldn't do this, but then whatever

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<v Speaker 1>external forces like convince you to be a part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just like okay, like like you put that

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<v Speaker 1>gut voice to the side, and you're like, well, but

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<v Speaker 1>this director said it's going to be listen to that,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I should listen to them. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>see it on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, oh, well, the deach looks so pretty,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what the deck looks over, the deck is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be with us, you know. Yeah, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many there's so many ways I you know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing the counter to that is, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you jump into an idea like that or you're like

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<v Speaker 2>your God is telling you maybe not, you got created

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<v Speaker 2>real creative partnership in there and making sure that there's

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<v Speaker 2>an accountability to the openness they sold you on that

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to bring you in. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a producer a director, so when you jump onto a project,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not just gonna show up and say your lines.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also trust that instinct in me that if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing something irregular, I just I can't just like

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, at the beginning we had no choice,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like we're like, all right, you hire me

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<v Speaker 2>as an actor. Here's my acteam You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you've developed that muscle right in the last

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty years or so as a spider sense, right

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<v Speaker 1>as a as a producer, you know, to go, although

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<v Speaker 1>this feels right or this doesn't feel right, Like for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I remember we were first doing the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like we were all kind of evaluating the process,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember you all turned to me and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, it just feels right, Like something feels

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<v Speaker 1>right about it, you know, so I'm anyway, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>super long answer to your question. Trust your gut, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like trust the way that it feels

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so fun to hear from all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really cool to hear where you know, where they're curiosity.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it takes them when it comes to our

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<v Speaker 2>conversations and what those amigos has brought to listeners. So

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<v Speaker 2>all of you are either watching it listening. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much, and all of you who have questions and like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh I want to ask a question. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear a little bit about a different topic where I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do deep to and other things. Send us

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's that's good memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess it's because it's the same name as

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<v Speaker 2>the Instagram account.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Or writer us right, or you could sell

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a voice the message or send.

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<v Speaker 2>Us a voice memo on Instagram. And thank you everyone

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<v Speaker 2>for the questions today. I was really sparked a lolly

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Thank you guys so much for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>those Amigos. This is a podcast where you can get anywhere.

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