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Speaker 2: And this is you're listening to those of egos. Oh

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Speaker 2: So all love to you guys who have been enjoying

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Speaker 2: the show. Interesting episode for us.

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Speaker 1: Today, Yes, yes, indeed, it's kind the first of it's kind.

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Speaker 1: You've got a bunch of crazy questions from the fans

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Speaker 1: that we are going to tackle today.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I want to check in. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, right, yeah, man, you I'm good. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: good as well. We're both carrying things, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So it's I just wanted to check in with you.

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Speaker 2: But thank you either either way, this is uh not

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Speaker 2: about us.

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Speaker 1: It's not about us. It's about the fans.

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Speaker 2: Baby, about the fans. It's about those of you who

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Speaker 2: have been supporting Freddy and Wilmer for all this years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is about those true fans have been there from

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Speaker 2: the beginning. And this is also about our new fans

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Speaker 2: who have discovered those amigos as a place for laughs, certainty,

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Speaker 2: maybe some information and some useless useless life, useless life

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Speaker 2: that some insight, some insight, Yeah, Leo you're you're here

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Speaker 2: with us too. Leo clam Uh, Leo klam in the

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Speaker 2: house had a podcast for WB Sound and also our

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Speaker 2: lead executive producer here on those amigos. You're gonna ask

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Speaker 3: Answerr Yeah, I mean we just left an open forum

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Speaker 3: for our listeners, and I think people want to get

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Speaker 3: to know y'all, but also just want to show some

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Speaker 3: love and support.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I grabbed a handful of them and we can

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Speaker 3: get into it.

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Speaker 2: All right, list wrong, Yeah, let's get us.

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Speaker 3: Started, So we'll start. This one's coming in from Sharon. Sharon,

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Speaker 3: good morning. My question is for both of you, what

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Speaker 3: is your favorite Western? Have a great day? Be someone special? Sharon,

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Speaker 3: short and sweet, very.

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Speaker 2: Short and sweet, and she's demanding that we become someone special.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she demanded she said, be someone special.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's very sweet. We're always trying to be our

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Speaker 2: best favorite Western. I gotta say I just saw American

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Speaker 2: Primeval on Netflix. Who wow, Wow. It absolutely blew me away.

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Speaker 1: I think Peter Berg directed it. Am I right to

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Speaker 1: say that? Taylor Kitch Wow, I mean I just feel

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Speaker 1: like he injected it was like the matrix. John Wick

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Speaker 2: That's cool, It's cool. What is it about? It's about this.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Kitch's character is tasked to escort a mother and

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Speaker 2: Is it Utah? I think it was?

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Speaker 1: Uh is at it during the Utah War? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but just his execution was so unique and different and Uh,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He's always so great that. Yeah, Peter has an

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Speaker 2: it's awesome, big, big big ups to Uh. He's he's phenomenal,

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Obviously, the world is split on this one.

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Speaker 2: It may not be the greatest Western of all time,

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Speaker 3: Cool from Monica. Monica, Dear Freddie, Dear Wilmer, many thanks

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Speaker 3: to the great podcast. I enjoy listening to and watching it.

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Speaker 3: Also a big thank you to the whole team. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and then she goes, sorry for my English, but it's

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Speaker 3: not my mother tongue. Best regards from Germany, Monica.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with which movie slash series would you

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Speaker 1: I really you know, my my favorite series is Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the voice was so strong on that show. Vince

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Speaker 1: Gilligan's voice on that show, his sense of silence, his

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to. Uh, I always wanted to be

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Speaker 2: punch for Chips. That sounded very cool with me, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's a long story about that in my book, American Story.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's invited everywhere you get your book and your audiobooks,

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Speaker 2: you know. So I set it up over there, and uh,

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Speaker 2: So hazard they're pretty decent, So why not I just

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, in my neighborhood, Miami, Vice like that

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Speaker 1: I remember watching what My brothers like, whoa what he has?

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Speaker 2: that felt like luxury somehow. Yeah. Yeah. But you know

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Speaker 2: It's like Jesse's Girl and Jesse's Girl Girl in Jersey

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Speaker 2: up wearing black leather pants and just like keep going

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00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: over and see how far he Eventually he'll be like,

435
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: I guess I wore leather bay Convince who well remember,

436
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: so I would do something like Matchbox twenty, you know,

437
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: back to good Yeah, shout out to Rob Thomas, one

438
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: of my favorite people on the planet. Beautiful man, beautiful person,

439
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: and he's beautiful wife Maddy big shut out. I wasn't

440
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: actually in a Rob Thomas singles music video ever the

441
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: same I was in the music video for them, and

442
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: I was like, for me at the time, it was

443
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: like a drink control. I still have match Pox twenty. Well,

444
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: I actually still love match Past twenty. They perform I'm going,

445
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, uh so I do that, and then I

446
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: will do like one of some of the songs from

447
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: Carlos Santana's Supernatural Maria Maria, I got everybody singing at

448
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: that time.

449
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: You're in a very sort of early two thousands, late nineties.

450
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: That's kind of that's why. Yeah, that's who you are,

451
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: you living, you live in that time frame, That's who

452
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I am.

453
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: All right, next next question.

454
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: All right, this question is from James. This one's for you.

455
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: Freddie yep, hi, Freddie can you please talk about working

456
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: with a great Italian star, gian Carlo Giannini, you know,

457
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: Walk in the Clouds. What do you learn from him,

458
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: stories you shared, et cetera. Love that film and you're

459
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: working it.

460
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: Oh so where does he live?

461
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: Thank you Jesus.

462
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: Question is crazy?

463
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, what a unique question. Working with gian

464
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Carlo Janini was an insight into what it must have

465
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: been like to make movies in the sixties and seventies.

466
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh so, so it's a it's a feeling, it's it's

467
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: something that I can't really put my finger on, like

468
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: watching him and Anthony Quinn together and Anthony spoke Italian

469
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: and they would be there telling stories about their escapade

470
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: aid in the seventies and sixties, and like he just

471
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: carried himself like a like a seventies movie star. In fact,

472
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I loved his name so much. I named my oldest

473
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: son my oldest son's name is young Carlo and it

474
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: was the first time I had heard that name. And uh,

475
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: and we named my son that And when my son

476
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: was born, I called him and told him that I

477
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: named my son after him. I mean, I don't know

478
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: it was after him exactly, but he gave me an

479
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: excuse to call him again.

480
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

481
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: And so I remember doing that that film, and uh,

482
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: I loved just watching him, you know, I was. I

483
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: was nineteen years old when I did that movie. I was,

484
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: I was right out of high school, and I would

485
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I was so blown away by seeing him and Anthony

486
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: in their process and doing what they were doing. I

487
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: just loved watching those guys because I had no clue,

488
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: you know, and those guys would be in there and

489
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: they'd be like and they're and you know, getting to

490
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: that emotion place and you know where I was like

491
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: shy and and still trying to like find my footing

492
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: in film. And then you had like Keanu Reeves and

493
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: that equation also. So it was just a bunch of

494
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: heavyweights in there. But he was. He was an absolute

495
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: gentleman and a and a pleasure to work with him

496
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: and his family. I remember his son was there and

497
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: some of his kids were there, and they were they

498
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: were just wonderful. It's a great, great experience. Shout out

499
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: to Gean Carlo Jeanini.

500
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: Awesome. What else you got?

501
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: This one's from Lorena, Lorena, Hi Wilmer, and Freddie. Thanks

502
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: for making you laugh every week. I'm wondering when it

503
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: was a time in your life when you took a

504
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: big risk and how did it change you. I'm making

505
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: a big career pivot and I'm starting to freak out

506
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: a little about whether it'll payoff. I would love to

507
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: hear of those moments when you took a risk with admiration, Lorena.

508
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Would you take a risk? Was was starting your company

509
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: taking a risk?

510
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's it's the risk, right, It is still

511
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: a risk. I mean, you're you continue to input your

512
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: You're investing and investing and investing, and you're waiting for

513
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: that moment where like it's a stains itself, you know.

514
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: And thankfully now most of my companies are you know,

515
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: at least sustaining themselves, right, But in a world where

516
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: people are buying less and making less, you know, it's

517
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: it's still a risk to help production company. But you know,

518
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: your ability to weather the storm is what gives you

519
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: the best shot, you know at actually eventually finding yourself

520
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: on stead making something now. But you know, i'd say

521
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: when you talk about big risk, I mean I would

522
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: say doing something no one in my family had the technology,

523
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: the knowledge, the resources, the most fathom idea that that

524
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: would that would be possible, which is this thing, Oh,

525
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: I want to be an actor. That's crazy.

526
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: You know.

527
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: The trajectory I was having at the time is either

528
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: I was going to be a psychologist or you know,

529
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: I was going to join the Air Force or something,

530
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: you know, because I want to fly planes. So like

531
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: it could have gone either way. We've had these conversations

532
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: before in the podcast, but these are really big leaps

533
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: of faith, you know. Also the same thing with like,

534
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, switching gears in life is never simple, But

535
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: if you're switching tracks, there's something about you that's telling

536
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: you that you know, you got what it takes to

537
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: do it right. Otherwise you wouldn't take that chance, right,

538
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: So I think there's something about that that you have

539
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: to kind of trust yourself, right, You've got to trust

540
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: that you've earned that change of gear, you know, somehow.

541
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm kind of still thinking a little

542
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: bit about that. I'm still thinking a little bit about

543
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: what are some of these stories. But everything that we

544
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: do in our career is Freddie is a leap of faith.

545
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Everything come up with an idea, I'm going to write

546
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: it down, I'm going to try to sell it. Right,

547
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: or I'm going to take this part on this TV show.

548
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: I hope it goes a second. Like everything's a little

549
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: bit of a risk, but I will say that a song,

550
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: as you are continuing to perform within your strength and

551
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: you're focusing on your personal contribution to what you're hoping

552
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: to get out of you know you, you're the odds

553
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: are for you and with you on that, I don't know,

554
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: what do you think? Yeah, yeah, and you're right.

555
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. What a risk it was

556
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: to just to become an actor right starting there, coming

557
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: from the type of families that we came from and

558
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: what was expected of us, So that was a risk.

559
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Or I started producing about a decade ago, twelve years ago,

560
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: and I started writing, and these were these were avenues

561
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: that I felt in my gut that I could be

562
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: good at. You know, there are other things that I'm

563
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: interested in, but like my gut was telling me that

564
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I could potentially be pretty good at this stuff. And

565
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I tried producing and and I thought I did a

566
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: pretty good job. I've been writing more lately and I

567
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: thought I did a pretty good job. And so like,

568
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: if I could impart any advice to you, Lodana is

569
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: to just follow your gut. Like and that's one thing

570
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: I think that I was born with.

571
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: I think I have.

572
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: I have really good instincts, really really deep, deep good

573
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: instincts about about tone, about projects, about putting people together,

574
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: or being able to read something and recognizing whether it's

575
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: good or not, or watching something and being able to

576
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: recognize if it's good or not. And a lot of

577
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: times my instincts drives my choices, you know, you know,

578
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I just I just did a I just did a

579
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: horror movie. And and you know, sometimes what happens is like,

580
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, if the budget is not thirty forty million

581
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: dollars for example, you know, people kind of go ah,

582
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of lower. It's kind of this,

583
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of that, you know. I never look at

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: projects like what's is it? Is it a million dollar,

585
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: five million dollars ten million dollar budget or what have you?

586
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, like I'm able to read something and my

587
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: gut will tell me if something is good or not,

588
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, or I could I could meet with a

589
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: director and a writer and know, like my gut will

590
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: tell me if they're if they're good or not. And

591
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: so I've just followed my gut. I haven't followed what

592
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: people tell me I should or I shouldn't be doing.

593
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: You know, so anyway to answer the question within all

594
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: that takes a lot of risk because you're putting yourself

595
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: on the line. You're going to people that you trust,

596
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: who who You're putting your brand on the line. You're

597
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: telling people I wrote the script. They're looking at you

598
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: like you're crazy because you're an actor, and then they

599
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: read it and they go, oh shit, no, this is

600
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: this is really good. Or you say hey, I'm producing

601
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: this movie and they look at you like you're crazy

602
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: because you're an actor, and then you execute the production

603
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: of the movie and they're like, oh wow, I didn't

604
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I never knew you could do it right. But if

605
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: I were to listen to the people who look at

606
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: me like I'm crazy every time I tell them I'm

607
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna produce something new or write something new, that I

608
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: would never get anywhere. I'd just be the actor at

609
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: home waiting for the phone to ring.

610
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to add something to what you were saying,

611
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: because you trigger a different I take trigger another perspective

612
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: that kind of it's in line with what you're saying.

613
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: The times that I've been the most scared to take

614
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: a leap of faith, I realized I wasn't prepared to

615
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: make the leap you weren't prepared to take. I gotcha.

616
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: I knew that was the right chance. I knew that

617
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: that that was the right bed, it was the right gamble, right,

618
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: But I wasn't ready for it, you know, And I

619
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: think you're timing on. Once you switch gears in your

620
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: life and when you take this leap of faith, it's

621
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: absolutely part of the ingredients of the perfect storm, whether

622
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: is going to work or not. For me. The times

623
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: that I've been the most concerned, nervous, or or or

624
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, or fearful of this is when I haven't

625
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: done enough homework about it, when I'm having had you know,

626
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: the proper you know research to say, Okay, I know

627
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: enough about this, and now I can try, you know,

628
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: because imposter syndrome is always going to happen when you're

629
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: doing something new. But if you put in the hours

630
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: to understand where you're going, you're not you're possibly not

631
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: going to take a wrong turn right, You're probably not

632
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: going to get off early. You're going to just keep

633
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: driving because you kind of know what to expect a

634
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: little bit. And I think that's I think that's probably

635
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: the thing the trigger to me the most when you

636
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: started talking about that stuff, is that, you know, those

637
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: are the times where I feel like, oh, let me

638
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: take pause, Like am I doing the right thing? It's

639
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: when I haven't really prepared. I mean, my research enough,

640
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: you know and all that, and now I don't have

641
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: time to not do the research, right, You got to

642
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: know what you're doing, right. It's like yestakes are very

643
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: high now, but and a lot of that is following

644
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: your gut, right, right, this is likely where it is.

645
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: Don't you feel like you've developed your instinct over the

646
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: last two three decades?

647
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: Totally, totally. I think that that that got feeling that

648
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: you have to do this and it has to happen

649
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: because you can breathe without it. And that's very important, right,

650
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Speaker 2: because if you're not happy with where you are in

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Speaker 2: the moment, if you're not happy where where things are

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Speaker 2: at in your life in this moment, maybe this is

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Speaker 2: time to.

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Speaker 1: Do a little bit of a nodded yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's ambition, right. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: there's an instinctual part to it as well that you possess, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's your ambition, going like I got I, this

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Speaker 1: has to happen.

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Speaker 2: I have to do it.

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Speaker 1: But but you're also good at at like your gut

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Speaker 1: telling you whether something is good or not. Like I

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Speaker 1: remember a couple of months ago we were at your

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Speaker 1: office and you showed me like a like a trailer

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Speaker 1: for a new documentary that you were you were producing

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Speaker 1: with the photographer, and I remember watching the trailer and

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Speaker 1: going like, holy cow, man, this trailer is like it's

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Speaker 1: so good, Like I can just see it. I can

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Speaker 1: feel it all in just that trailer, the tone of

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Speaker 1: the documentary and even that other documentary you produced, the

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Speaker 1: The TikTok Dancer, The Devil's for the Devil. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so what you're showing me and the stuff that

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Speaker 1: you're producing in the documentary world is that you have

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Speaker 1: a really strong instinct for choosing the right stuff that

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Speaker 1: you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Even when when we embarked on this journey of this podcast, right,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't really know anything about podcasts, right, but

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Speaker 1: my gut was telling me through our conversations and what

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Speaker 1: you wanted it to be. My gut was telling me, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this feels right, This feels like it could be good

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Speaker 1: and it could be executed well. And and I think

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Speaker 1: that my gut was right, you know, and I can

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Speaker 1: tell you right now circle to the why this podcast.

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Speaker 2: We've been man of our word. What we said we

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Speaker 2: were going to do and how we were going to

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Speaker 2: do it, and what it was going to about, what

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Speaker 2: was going about esthetically, what it was going to look like,

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Speaker 2: and how it was going to land and what it

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Speaker 2: could really mean to our community. I think we kind

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Speaker 2: of you know, I think we got there. How many

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Speaker 2: episodes so far we've done this is this is thirty two.

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Speaker 2: This is about thirty two episodes that we've done so far.

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Speaker 2: So we've had thirty two conversations. Some of them have

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Speaker 2: gone over an hour, an hour and a half, two hours, right,

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Speaker 2: So think about how many how much time you and

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Speaker 2: I have spent together kind of breaking down and missed it,

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Speaker 2: you know, the mysticism of our existence and turn it

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Speaker 2: into like just relatable life, life paths. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: very proud of that. And this is exactly you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty two conversations ago, what we said, what we're going

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Speaker 2: to do and for better or worse, right, like whether

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Speaker 2: it works or it doesn't, right. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: And what you want to do is you want to

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Speaker 2: be able to go to sleep knowing that what we

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Speaker 2: said we were going to do it exactly, we're going

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Speaker 2: to do it. We did it the way that we

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Speaker 2: wanted it. It's when you allowed other drift is of

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Speaker 2: like maybe include this, maybe become that, maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: the topical stuff like we're not going to talk about

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Speaker 2: topical things like this, this is irrelevant to us. It

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Speaker 2: happens right now, and then another thirty minutes something new happens,

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Speaker 2: and like, I'm not jumping you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you and I will ever jump in the wagon of

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Speaker 2: like what's hot in the news right now, you know,

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Speaker 2: but the ever green of what's important to our cultures.

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Speaker 2: I think it's why this is, this is important and

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Speaker 2: I and you know, I always encourage everybody who has

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Speaker 2: a platform to just create destinations where it's safe to

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Speaker 2: speak and carry yourself the way that you and I

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Speaker 2: have for thirty two conversations. Yeah, but it was it

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Speaker 2: was for me.

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Speaker 1: This is my own you know, experience with this podcast

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Speaker 1: is my gut, my instinct when you presented the idea.

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Speaker 1: My gut told me to do it. My gut told

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Speaker 1: me to do it for a plethora of different reasons.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just in in in the conversations that

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Speaker 1: we've had that that the execution was going to be satisfactory.

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Speaker 1: It was going to be good, you know, because because

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Speaker 1: how many times have you been in meetings or you've

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Speaker 1: been in conversations with with people who are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: women were come and jump on this project. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be this, It's going to be that, right, they

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Speaker 1: promise you it's gonna be X, Y and Z, and

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Speaker 1: then you you go and you knock it out, and

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Speaker 1: then you see it in the theater and.

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Speaker 2: You're like, wow, this is really terrible.

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Speaker 1: And my instinct was telling me it's going to be terrible.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't listen to my instinct because that fall

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you see, like the matrix now, right,

741
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Speaker 2: when somebody come ask you with a similar situation, you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know that's going to turn out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's you start navigating life based on the

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Speaker 2: ripples of you know, how it all kind of works

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Speaker 2: out right, and how it all builds out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but haven't you ever been like where your instinct

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Speaker 1: tells you you probably shouldn't do this, but then whatever

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Speaker 1: external forces like convince you to be a part of it,

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Speaker 1: and you're just like okay, like like you put that

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Speaker 1: gut voice to the side, and you're like, well, but

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Speaker 1: this director said it's going to be listen to that,

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Speaker 1: and so I should listen to them. And then you

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Speaker 1: see it on screen.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, well, the deach looks so pretty,

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Speaker 2: you know what the deck looks over, the deck is

757
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Speaker 2: going to be with us, you know. Yeah, there's so

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Speaker 2: many there's so many ways I you know.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The other thing the counter to that is, even if

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Speaker 2: you jump into an idea like that or you're like

762
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Speaker 2: your God is telling you maybe not, you got created

763
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Speaker 2: real creative partnership in there and making sure that there's

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Speaker 2: an accountability to the openness they sold you on that

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Speaker 2: they were going to bring you in. You know, you're

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Speaker 2: a producer a director, so when you jump onto a project,

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Speaker 2: you're not just gonna show up and say your lines.

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Speaker 2: So I also trust that instinct in me that if

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing something irregular, I just I can't just like

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Speaker 2: but you know, at the beginning we had no choice,

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Speaker 2: you know, like we're like, all right, you hire me

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Speaker 2: as an actor. Here's my acteam You know, it's like

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Speaker 2: it's kind of how it works.

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Speaker 1: But but you've developed that muscle right in the last

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Speaker 1: like twenty years or so as a spider sense, right

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Speaker 1: as a as a producer, you know, to go, although

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Speaker 1: this feels right or this doesn't feel right, Like for me,

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Speaker 1: it's like I remember we were first doing the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was like we were all kind of evaluating the process,

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Speaker 1: and I remember you all turned to me and I

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Speaker 1: was just like, it just feels right, Like something feels

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Speaker 1: right about it, you know, so I'm anyway, it's a

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Speaker 1: super long answer to your question. Trust your gut, and

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Speaker 1: you know, like like trust the way that it feels

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so fun to hear from all of you.

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Speaker 2: It's really cool to hear where you know, where they're curiosity.

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Speaker 2: You know, it takes them when it comes to our

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Speaker 2: conversations and what those amigos has brought to listeners. So

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Speaker 2: all of you are either watching it listening. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, and all of you who have questions and like,

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Speaker 2: oh I want to ask a question. I want to

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Speaker 2: hear a little bit about a different topic where I

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Speaker 2: want to do deep to and other things. Send us

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Speaker 2: your questions, you know, your conversations, your topics. You can

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Speaker 2: d m us at Those Amigos talk on Instagram. Uh,

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Speaker 2: and you can also email us talk at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's that's good memory.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's because it's the same name as

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Speaker 2: the Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Or writer us right, or you could sell

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Speaker 1: like a like a voice the message or send.

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Speaker 2: Us a voice memo on Instagram. And thank you everyone

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Speaker 2: for the questions today. I was really sparked a lolly

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Speaker 2: good stuff. Thank you guys so much for listening to

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Speaker 2: those Amigos. This is a podcast where you can get anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Did you get your podcast? I'm wilmri Valdorama.

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Speaker 1: I'm Freddie Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you guys on the next Talks.

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Speaker 1: Is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael through

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Speaker 1: That Podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez and Wilmer Valdorama.

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Speaker 2: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer's Abows.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Wilmer Valdorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burr,

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Speaker 1: and Leo Clem at WV sound.

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Speaker 2: This episode was shot and edited it by Ryan Posts

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Speaker 2: and mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by

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Speaker 2: Madison Devenport and Halo boy Our.

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Speaker 1: Cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed by

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Speaker 1: Deny Holtz.

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Speaker 2: Clau and thank you for being here third Amigo today.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys always listening to those amos.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from My Heart, visit the R Heart

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