1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And hey, 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: do we sound different today? I that we might because 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: we are both recording from home. It's social distancing time. 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: That's right. We should probably set the stage here. We 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: were always a little fast and loose with our descriptions 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: of our our previous recording scenario. Sometimes we more accurately 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: described it. Sometimes we presented a slightly sci fi vision 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: of where we might be. Uh. For my own part, 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: I am currently hunkered up in my closet, surrounded by 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: my clothes and my wife's clothes. I've got uh there's 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: a nice shelf of board games across from me. I 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: have a monstrous compendium over there as well, full of 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: A D and D monsters that I can see. And uh, 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: next to me for today's episode, I have a mascot. 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I have my VHS copy of Jerry McGuire, which which 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: one day I hope to hand off to the Everything 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Is Terrible crowd and let them take it to the 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: desert and build the pyramid. Uh. So it's a symbol 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: of hope. You know that that one day this video 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: will be a part of the pyramid, and one day 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: we'll have moved through and past our current circumstances and 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Jerry will ascend to become part of the all Jerry. 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: How about you, Joe? Where are you located at the moment? 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: So I'm in my laundry room. Uh Rachel helped me 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: set it up. We've got towels and blankets draped everywhere. 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm here in my sweatpants and my Electric Wizard T shirt. 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: I also inspired by you. I have a little talisman 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: uh to to help us through so in this time 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: of need for gods and idols, I have my action 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: figure of Tom Atkins from Night of the Creeps. He's 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: got he's got a little uh he's got a shotgun, 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: and he's got his trench code, and he's got a 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: bottle of course light. And then I also have with 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: me a tiny replica I was telling you about this 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: earlier of a tiny replica that we got at the 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: National Museum of Iceland. That is a replica of a 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: little idol or or trinkett found to leave from like 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: the tenth century in Iceland. Uh. And it's a seated 41 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: figure with a with a conical hat holding a cross 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: shaped object in front of it, and they don't know 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: if this idol is supposed to be Jesus or Thor 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: and I like that ambiguity. And I really love the 45 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: the inclusion of the tom Atkins figure because tom Atkins 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: and tom Atkins character specifically a Knight of the the Creeps. 47 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: It's a it's kind of like top shelf roused ower, 48 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, like the budget roused It's exactly it. Uh 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: So I just want to say real quick, our audio 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: quality is obviously going to be down from what it 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: usually is, but also we are waiting on some gear 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: to be delivered to our houses, so during this time 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: of social distancing, we can record hopefully something that sounds 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: a little bit better than we sound today. So if 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: if the quality is not to your liking, please do 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: stick with us for upcoming episodes in in in the 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: coming weeks because hopefully it will be better next time. Yeah. 58 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: The the technology is going to drastically improve over the 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: next few days. And also I think we're going to 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: get more used to recording remotely like this. Uh. Ultimately, 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: you the listeners, some of your favorite shows, even in 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: our network employ remote production like this and you might 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: not have even noticed it before. Um So I think 64 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: we'll get accustomed to it. We'll pick up some new 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: tips and tricks to make it work. And either way, 66 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: this is the this is the only path forward at 67 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: this point because we're uh, we're again, we're practicing social distancing. 68 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: We are not going back into the physical studio together 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Now, we know this is a 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: tough time, it's a challenging time. Our jobs provide us 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: with the privilege of continuing to do this from our homes, 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: and we really we don't take that for granted. We 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: know not everybody has that privilege. But we're gonna keep 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: recording the podcast because it fulfills us and we hope 75 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that it can continue to be of use to you 76 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: as well as we all work through this together. Absolutely, 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: we we hope we can be there for you throughout 78 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: all this, and we appreciate you sticking with us as well. 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: This episode is going to be a little different from 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: what you probably have come to think of as a 81 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: usual stuff to blow your mind episode. We don't have 82 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: a concrete topic for this one. This is about catching 83 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: you guys. Up. It's about, you know, honestly serving as 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: a band aid episode while we get all of our 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: gear in so that we can keep pumping out the 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: sort of episodes you've grown accustomed to over the years. Now, 87 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: one thing that we did want to talk about today 88 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: is is the issue of social distancing itself. I'm sure 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: this point you're not wondering what that is. You've probably 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: heard about it, you've probably been told you should do it. Uh, 91 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: But I think it's not clear to me that everybody's 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: taking social distancing seriously yet we've even this was last week, 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: so hopefully these opinions have changed. But last week we 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: even heard from a few people directly who think that 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: the recommendations that people should stay home if at all 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: possible is a symptom of hysteria or overreaction. I want 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: to be very clear that it is not right. Yeah, 98 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: over the weekend, I know, I personally, my family we 99 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: were already practicing social distancing. But then we I was 100 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: in the car, I drove past a popular brunch place 101 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: near where I live, and it was it was packed. 102 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: It was frighteningly packed. Um Now, I don't know of 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: in some cases, maybe maybe in some cases, people were 104 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: certainly not taking it seriously. Maybe in other places people 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: thought that they would show up and basically have a 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: mostly empty restaurant at their hands. But if the latter 107 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: is the case, then a lot of people made the 108 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: same error and judgment. Uh, either way, it was I 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: think it was pretty clear to a lot of people 110 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: over the weekend that not enough people were taking it seriously. 111 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: And I just hope that an increasing number of people 112 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: are realizing that the importance of social distancing. Yeah, there 113 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: are several reasons why it's important for anybody who is 114 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: able to practice social distancing, meaning you stay at home 115 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: as much as possible, limit your interactions with other people, 116 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: limit trips out, especially to crowded places, to only what 117 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: is absolutely necessary, and that would be things like like 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: healthcare visits, uh, grocery and pharmacy basically. Now, there are 119 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: several reasons right now why it's really important that everybody 120 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: who is able limit their interactions with with other people 121 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: as much as possible. Of course, it limits your exposure 122 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: to a virus that is now just uh just you know, 123 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: bouncing around within communities that were no longer talking about 124 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: it just be something that is a product of travel. 125 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's throughout cities in the United States 126 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: and many other countries too. Uh. Now, you you might think, okay, 127 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: but I I I'm not all that worried about how 128 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: this virus would affect me. I'm young and healthy. I 129 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: don't really care. I've had a bad flu before. This 130 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: was the nature of some of the messages we were seeing, 131 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, from young people, like posting on our channels. 132 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: And there are several reasons why I want to drive 133 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: home that this way of thinking is really misguided right now. 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: First of all, even for young and healthy people, this 135 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: is a much more dangerous infection than a regular flu. 136 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: Like people in their twenties and thirties are experiencing severe cases, 137 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: requiring hospitalization, and sometimes they are dying from this. It's 138 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: just that they are requiring hospitalization and dying at a 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: much lower rate than older people, say, in their sixties 140 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: and seventies and eighties. I remember what it was like 141 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: to be a teenager. I remember feeling invincible. You know, 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: even even if you are more likely to come through 143 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: this infection without a severe you know, like without a 144 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: need for hospitalization or without dying, like, you are not invincible. 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: But more than that that, the much more important point 146 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: is if you're young and healthy, you still want to 147 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: limit your exposure to the virus so that you don't 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: get infected and then spread it to others who are 149 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: at much greater risk than yourself. Uh. And so you 150 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: might think, well, okay, that's reasonable, But well, if if 151 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: I start to get sick, then I'll just stay home. 152 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Then I won't spread it. You know, I start coughing, 153 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: I have a fever, that's when it's time to stay home. 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: It would be great if that was the case, but 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: unfortunately it looks like it's not that easy. So at 156 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: first some authorities were suggesting that you would only be 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: contagious if you were showing symptoms. Actually know people who 158 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: were under this misimpression. Rachel and I were talking about 159 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: some friends of ours who had been mistaken and saying 160 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: this the other day. Um, this does not appear to 161 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: be the case anymore. There is now pretty good evidence 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: that people with mild symptoms or no symptoms, who don't 163 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: realize they have the coronavirus at all, can spread it 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: to other people. And we don't know exactly how prevalent 165 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: that kind of spread is, but the earlier announcements that 166 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: it was only significantly spread through major symptomatic cases really 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: appear to be wrong. Yeah, one celebrity example of this, 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: because now we're in the phase, we're definitely hearing a 169 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: lot of stories about various notable individuals, famous individuals that 170 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: are showing up positive for coronavirus. Idris elba as an 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: example of this, big driss uh stringer from the wire. 172 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: And of course he's been in so much more now, 173 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: great actor, one of my favorites. Yeah, he's he's he's tremendous. 174 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: And apparently what occurred is he found out that he 175 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: had been in contact with somebody who tested positive for 176 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. So adam an abundance of caution, he himself 177 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: was tested and found and it was found that he 178 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: was positive for COVID nineteen despite not displaying any symptoms 179 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: and feeling otherwise, you know, perfectly healthy, which you know 180 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: you look at it yoursel but and you just just said, 181 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: he must just feel perfectly healthy all the time. That's 182 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: that's probably not gonna change. If anybody's invincible. He is, Yeah, 183 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: but just because you feel invincible doesn't mean you cannot 184 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: be positive for COVID nineteen and certainly capable of spreading 185 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: it to people who are not as physically robust as yourself. 186 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: And so he did the right thing and self quarantined. 187 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So one example here that there was 188 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: a new study published in the journal Science on March sixteenth, 189 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: I think that was two days ago. Now we're recording 190 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, March eighteen. And this study was called Substantial 191 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: Undocumented Infection facilitates the rapid dissemination of novel coronavirus or 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: SARS c o V two UH. And for quick terminology thing, 193 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen is the name of the disease you get. 194 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: The pathogen is being referred to as SARS c o 195 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: V two UH. The study was by Rheen Young, Lee Sen, 196 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: pey Bin, Chen, y Ming Song, Tao Jiang Wan Yang, 197 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Shaman, and the team used data from the 198 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: outbreak within China to try to understand how the virus 199 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: spreads throughout populations and the role of contagion from undocumented 200 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: cases people spreading it without even knowing they had it. 201 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: Their study estimated that prior to when when transportation lockdown 202 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: went into effect throughout the regions, in China prior to 203 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: that period. On January eight, six percent of all infections 204 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: within China were undocumented. They write, quote per person, the 205 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: transmission rate of undocumented infections was fifty five percent of 206 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: documented infections, yet due to their greater numbers, undocumented infections 207 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: were the infection source for seventy nine percent of documented cases. 208 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: These findings explained the rapid geographic spread of stars c 209 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: o v two and indicate containment of this virus will 210 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: be particularly challenging, so to make sense of those numbers 211 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: really quick. It looks like the people who didn't realize 212 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: they had COVID nineteen were only about half as infectious 213 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: as the people who did realize they had it. But 214 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: because there were so many more people who had it 215 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: without realizing it than people who realized they had it, 216 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: the people who didn't realize they had it were responsible 217 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: for about eighty percent of the spread, and speaking to 218 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: The New York Times on March sixteenth, one of the 219 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: authors here, Jeffrey Shaman, speculated on on the basis of 220 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: this research that given our lagging testing capacities here in 221 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the United States right now, the number of real infections 222 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: could be greater than the number of documented infections by 223 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: a factor of about ten. So uh So, to quote 224 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: Shaman quote, if we have thirty five hundred confirmed cases 225 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: in the US, you might be looking at thirty five 226 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: thousand in reality. Uh and a lot of these people 227 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: would have no idea they're sick. I was reading a 228 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: news article from March sixteenth on CNN which quoted several 229 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: public health experts who believe there is a major threat 230 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: from a symptomatic, pre symptomatic or only mildly symptomatic transmission. 231 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: According to Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for 232 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, quote, 233 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: we now know that asymptomatic transmission likely plays an important 234 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: role in spreading the virus and uh and he says 235 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: that asymptomatic transmission quote surely can fuel a pandemic like 236 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: this in a way that's going to make it very 237 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: difficult to control, and that that sentiment was also echoed 238 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: by somebody we quoted, I think in our previous episode 239 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: about COVID nineteen, William Shaffner, who's a professor at Vanderbilt 240 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: University School of Medicine. Schaffner says quote asymptomatic and mildly 241 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: symptomatic transmission or a major factor in transmission. For COVID nineteen, 242 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: they're going to be the drivers have spread in the community. 243 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Uh So, this is why it's really important. Like it 244 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: looks at this point again, you know, we could get 245 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: a bit of better picture in the future, but it 246 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: looks at this point like it's totally possible to be young, healthy, 247 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: to be only mildly symptomatic or maybe not symptomatic at all. 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: Have no idea. You have this virus and then go 249 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: out and do your daily business and spread it to 250 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: people all along the way. So even if you're healthy. 251 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: That's why, out of out of caution, it is very 252 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: important for everybody who is able to stay home and 253 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: self isolate right now or at not totally isolate, but 254 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, practice social distancing another way to think of it, 255 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: even if you're not worried for yourself, staying home is 256 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: a public service. It is an act of charity at 257 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: this time. You know, for the next few weeks at least, 258 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: you could save a life by doing it. Absolutely. I mean, 259 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: as we ask ourselves these questions, do I really need 260 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: to go out for this right now? Do I really 261 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: need to go to is store? Do I really need 262 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: to make this purchase? Um, These sorts of questions, you know, 263 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: are the things we need to be asking ourselves. And 264 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you can really think of this as as 265 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: a lot of little sacrifices that we're all individually making, uh, 266 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: to to again cut down on this transmission, and to 267 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: enable us to flatten that curve. Yeah, that's right, and 268 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: and to revisit that technology. You've probably heard a lot 269 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: more about flattening the curve since we talked about it 270 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: in our original COVID nineteen episode, but just to refresh 271 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: really quick, flattening the curve refers to making sure that 272 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: the infection rate doesn't rise so steeply that it overwhelms 273 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: our capacity to care for people who are infected, and 274 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: that makes a huge difference in the overall case fatality 275 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: rate of the disease. We are much better at keeping 276 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: people who have severe infections alive if the hospital system 277 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: is not overwhelmed while they get infected, and so spreading 278 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: more people out over time we think will lead to 279 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: many fewer deaths than everybody suddenly getting it all in 280 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: the next few weeks. Basically, this is I mean this 281 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: is an encouraging UH concept for us to all get behind, 282 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: because it means that as a society, through this you know, 283 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: collective agreeance on the importance of social distancing, we have 284 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: the power to influence the rate of this thing as 285 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: it moves through our population and therefore keep the surge 286 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: in cases below the threshold of what our our hospitals, 287 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: on our our our medical institutions are capable of dealing with. Yeah. Um, 288 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: And now a lot of people have been asking how 289 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: long how long is this need gonna go on? And unfortunately, 290 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: at this point we just don't know for sure. There 291 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: are some pretty grave estimates out there about how long 292 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: people would need to practice social distancing in order to 293 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: get us through, say to UH to an effective anti 294 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: viral treatment or vaccine, or you know, for for immunity 295 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: to build up in the communities. I would say, don't 296 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: get overly fixated on the most dire possible scenarios right now. 297 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: Just focus, okay, you know, one thing at a time. 298 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: In the short term, it is definitely going to help 299 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: either way for more people to stay home for the 300 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: next few weeks, because that at least allows testing capacity 301 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and UH, and research to catch 302 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: up to the virus instead of just allowing its exponential 303 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: spread to continue during that whole time. So during this time, 304 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: it's it's very important to make sure that you're getting 305 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: your information about COVID nineteen from from trusted sources, UH, 306 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, the 307 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: World Health Organization and UH and also you know the 308 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: mainstream media sources that you can trust. Yeah. But the 309 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: other half of it is, um, okay, So let's say 310 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: you're already on board. You've you've bought in, You've bought 311 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: in on the idea of social distancing. You understand how 312 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: important it is if you are at all able, we're 313 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: staying home. The next part is like dealing with that situation. Obviously, 314 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: this is going to present different challenges for different people. 315 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Some challenges, UH might be you know, financial and have 316 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: to do with how you make a living, and those 317 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: are real issues. I mean, I'm hoping some kind of 318 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: public assistance comes along very soon to ease that burden. 319 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: But on on top of that, uh, social distancing is 320 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: socially challenging, right, yeah, I mean we're social animals, We're 321 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: not We're not made up for this kind of you know, 322 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: just long term certainly distance living. Uh. I mean, and 323 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: this is something I come back to again. We've spoken 324 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: about social media on this show plenty of times. We've 325 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: talked about the the the problems with our current social 326 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: media systems, and just looking online these days, one sees, 327 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: first of all, one sees some of the strengths of 328 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: social media emerging. You can see like, oh, well, this 329 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: is what it was supposed to do. It's connecting us 330 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: in especially in times when we are physically distant from 331 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: each other. Uh. It can be very comforting to have 332 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: that kind of connection. On the other hand, I also 333 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: see examples of the negative aspects of social media, unfortunately 334 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: amplified in this scenario as well. Um So, I think 335 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: that's going to be a continuing challenge over the weeks ahead, 336 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: as we figure out how to best use these social 337 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: media tools and these uh, these these connective tools, how 338 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: to use them effectively and in al ways that the 339 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: foster social communication and social connectiveness without you know, giving 340 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: into these negative aspects that are generally built into the 341 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: platforms where you're using. Yeah, I think you're exactly right. 342 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this it's funny I'm usually somebody who's pretty 343 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: focused on the negative aspects of social media, but this 344 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: week has really made me think about the good aspects, 345 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: like the fact that it allows you to connect directly 346 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: and often in a higher fidelity way with your friends 347 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: and family. You know, the idea of doing video chats 348 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: with family and stuff like that, and that that can 349 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: be really helpful at these times, like you might just 350 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: need to see other faces, you know, the other people 351 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: that you care about, uh, not just hear their voice 352 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: over the phone and uh. And so that kind of 353 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: stuff I think is great. Now. The darker side I think, 354 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: of course, is that we have definitely seen social media 355 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: as a source for the spread of potentially dangerous misinformation 356 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: about this, uh, this ongoing pandemic. And so I wanted 357 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: to share one thing on here, Robert, if it's okay 358 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: with you. I posted a little bit about this in 359 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: the Facebook discussion module for our show, UM, because a 360 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of people have been asking, you know, they said 361 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: they had frustration about what to do about friends and 362 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: family and acquaintances posting misinformation on the internet, and like 363 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: like how to address that. At this time, I will 364 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: say that I'm someone who generally does not advocate arguing 365 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: with people on the internet. I think it is almost 366 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: always unproductive and often counterproductive. I would say that arguing 367 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: probably isn't the right word. But but this is the time, 368 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: I think, to participate in the information battle. Like it. 369 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: If people are sharing potentially dangerous misinformation about how this 370 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: virus spreads or how you can protect yourself and stuff 371 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: like that, this is the time to get into that conversation. Absolutely, 372 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: we should be able to come together in these moments, 373 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: sign the common ground and fight against the inhuman uh 374 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: enemy that is this virus. Yeah, totally, and and information 375 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: is one of our best weapons in this battle, like 376 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: knowing what works and what doesn't, having a solid information source, 377 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: having a clear understanding of how disease spreads, what can 378 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: be done to stop it, That all really matters. So 379 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to share a few things that came 380 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: to my mind about what to do when you see 381 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: people spreading misinformation online. This one might be obvious, but 382 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: the first one that I wanted to say was just 383 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: make sure that you know what you're talking about before 384 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: you go in and try to correct somebody else. It 385 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: may very well be that you're working off of outdated 386 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: information information landscape is changing really fast right now, and 387 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: so so do your own double checking before you before 388 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: you start a fight that might turn out to be pointless. 389 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: That's right. I mean I I found myself over the 390 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: past few days in conversation with somebody, and they'll have 391 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: a key v on in the background, and they'll suddenly 392 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: be pretty to an update that I don't have, just 393 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: by virtue of me not being plugged in. Uh. For 394 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, ten minutes you can you can miss something. Uh. 395 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: And a minute ago I said fight, I shouldn't. We're 396 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: not encouraging fighting of any kind. I guess. I just mean, 397 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: like you know, in any form of disagreement with somebody, 398 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: you know you've got your disagreement bucks, and you want 399 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: to spend that budget wisely. Um So, if you are 400 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: actually confident that the information you see somebody sharing is incorrect, 401 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: I would say, I mean this it's not a one 402 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: size fits all, but my experience tells me that a 403 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: good strategy for dealing with it is to message the 404 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: person privately first instead of commenting publicly. I think that 405 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: with this strategy you might get more people to take 406 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: down misleading original posts. If you don't like embarrass them 407 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: in front of their friends. Public shaming often has a 408 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: counterproductive effect that causes people to get defensive and double 409 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: down on what they originally did. Right. I like this 410 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: this point because you're leaning into person to person communication 411 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: instead of the ultimately weird person to person communication for 412 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: performance that is, commenting on somebody's Facebook post or what 413 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: have you, or certainly their Twitter tweet because because because yeah, 414 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: like you could. You might not even be intending to 415 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: to publicly shame them, but you are engaging in something 416 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: that is at least semi public. Yeah, and it might 417 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: feel like public shaming to them, even if you don't 418 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: mean it that way, especially with everybody, everybody's UH levels 419 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: are a little off right now, or maybe a little 420 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: more inclined to take personal offense at something like that. 421 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's These are not the best of 422 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: circumstances for for for misunderstandings like that totally. But then 423 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: I would say the next step is okay, if you 424 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: try that and they don't remove the misinformation after a 425 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: private message, then it probably is time to post publicly 426 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and again, not be confrontational, don't be a jerk, don't 427 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: try to own them, just post corrections or sources for 428 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: the benefit of onlookers, so that somebody can see this 429 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: being answered with correct information. Again, don't it's not about 430 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: it's not about owning people. It's not about showing that 431 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: they did something stupid. In fact, what I would say 432 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: is that generally you want to avoid all forms of 433 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: you language in these communications. You you know, don't say 434 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: like you're posting bs, you're posting pseudoscience, you're doing dangerous stuff. 435 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: Just focus on the information and the facts themselves. One 436 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: example of this in action at a quaintance of mine 437 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: on on Facebook had posted something and I just responded 438 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: to it by saying, the Associated Foreign Press has identified 439 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: some issues with this particular post. Uh. And then I 440 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: uh that they had shared and I included a link 441 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: to that a FP article. Uh. So you know, I 442 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: didn't engage in you. I didn't say you know anything 443 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: of the sword. I just said like, hey, here's some 444 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: information about the thing you just shared, and then they 445 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: took it down. That's great. I think that's an ideal interaction. Like, 446 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: there's no reason to unnecessarily multiply the nastiness of these interactions. 447 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: People are going to be on edge enough. Yeah, Alright. 448 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: On that note, we're going to take a quick break, 449 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: but we'll be right back. Thank alright, we're back. Hey. 450 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: So we're still getting used to this format, and we 451 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: realized we were going to make an announcement at the 452 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: top of the episode, and we forgot to do it. 453 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: So maybe here's the place to make the announcement. We're 454 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna be publishing some playlists of classic stuff to blow 455 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: your mind episodes. Uh. You know, we heard that this 456 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: might be useful to some people while they're you know, 457 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to to find entertainment and comfort and things to 458 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: do while they are social distancing in their homes. So 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: first thing, we're basically going to do a Halloween and 460 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: March thing, or as as I've been calling it, Halftober. 461 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, finally looking back on October now, uh, and 462 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: certainly those episodes that we did, So these are going 463 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: to be ten episode batches of past episodes that that 464 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: we that Joe and I have personally curated. We're going 465 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: to make sure that these don't drop in between a 466 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: part one and a part two of anything. But hopefully 467 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: this will serve to put more engaging content out there 468 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: and won't make you feel overwhelmed and hopefully won't be disruptive. Certainly, 469 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: let us know how you feel about it once we 470 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: start implementing it, but you're probably gonna see this on 471 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: a few other shows within this network as well. Uh. 472 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was actually pretty fun to go back 473 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: through the catalog and pick out a week of in 474 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: this case, October related stuff. Uh, and then a couple 475 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: of other fun themes ahead. That's right, So yeah, download 476 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: the playlists if you want, but also don't don't be 477 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: worried that we're going to playlists instead of our regular episodes. 478 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: We're doing everything we can to keep stuff to blew 479 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: your mind. Brand new episodes coming out on schedule, So 480 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: so we're still doing our thing. Yeah. In fact, uh 481 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: for next week, I believe we have part one already recorded. 482 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: We recorded is the last thing we recorded in the 483 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: studio before uh we uh we put that that sort 484 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: of production on hiatus, and then we're going to record 485 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: Joan are going to record part two of this series, 486 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: uh sometime this week. So yeah, normal stuff to blow 487 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: your episodes are right around the corner. Hopefully that everything 488 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: will be back back and moving next week, because they're 489 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: really fun episodes. I'm excited about them, and they don't 490 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: have anything to do with infectious disease, so I'm excited 491 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: about that angle as well. Wait do they not? Does 492 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: it never come in? Maybe not? Oh well it might show. 493 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, it might come up once or twice, 494 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: but for the most part, I don't think it's involved. 495 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: They's got to slip a few germs in there. Yeah, 496 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: all right, So next, I guess we were thinking about 497 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: what talking about what people could do to help keep 498 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: their brains from melting. Apart from listening to a bunch 499 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: of old episodes of our podcast. You know, if you 500 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: if you're stuck at home, you're trying to be responsible, 501 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: do all the social distancing you can. Uh what what 502 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: are some ways to to keep the mind agile and 503 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, not find yourself giving into all 504 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: of your your worst mental impulses. Well, you know, obviously 505 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: escape into fiction and fantasy and video games and so 506 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: forth is great when you can do it. Um, you know, 507 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: to to quote the great uh and Zevon, uh lock 508 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: the gate scoofy take my hand and lead me through 509 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: the world of self. But uh, but it's hard to 510 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: do that, like NonStop uh and and this is where 511 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: I think mindfulness is UH is really important. So if 512 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: you've listened to the show long enough, you know I'm 513 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: a big advocate of mindfulness practices, especially yoga. And given 514 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: the amount of stress, disruption, anxiety, and uncertainty in everyone's 515 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: life right now, it is the perfect time to maintain, resume, 516 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: or even begin a mindfulness practice. But at the same time, 517 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: disruption and social distancing can make it very difficult. So 518 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: just a quick reminder about what mindfulness practices are and 519 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: what they are not. Mindfulness practices can allow us to 520 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: temporarily remove ourselves from the inner monologue, from the default 521 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: mode network signals that just where it can wear against 522 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: us over time UH. To focus on the moment, to 523 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: focus on the breath, to focus on on something that 524 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: is that is not just this this this inner storm 525 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: and it's such. These practices can help with anxiety and stress. 526 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: At the same time, these are not magical cures, and 527 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: they are certainly not replacements for medical UH and or 528 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: psychiatric care. If you want more info about the particulars 529 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: of these distinctions, I urge you to check out a 530 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: pair of our past episodes. We did one that was 531 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: an interview with An Swanson titled Science of Yoga, and 532 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: then there was another one titled Meditation lab Empathy and Energy. 533 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Now for my own part, you know, I have to 534 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: say I I had grown rather accustomed in my life 535 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: to swimming at the y m c A several times 536 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: a week, attending two to three yoga classes both at 537 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: the y m c A and at local studios, local 538 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Yoda's yoga studios, in addition to some studios Yoda Studios. 539 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: But Yoda is very yoga in this practice. I've never 540 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: looked it up before, but I got I kind of 541 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: assumed that his name is basically uh uh, you know, 542 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: fantasy sci fi ease for for for yoga. So I 543 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: had grown to grown to accustom to a particular rhythm 544 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: of of mindfulness and sort of self care. However, now 545 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: the local y m c A, like I think most 546 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: of these, not all of these facilities are is closed. 547 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: My local yoga studios are all physically closed. My wife 548 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: and I are at home, are seven year old is 549 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: at home. And as many of you are finding out 550 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: as well, teleschooling comes with an adjustment period, shall we say, So, 551 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to make time for meditative self care at 552 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: the moment, but it's also very balancing and rewarding of 553 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: for a time like this, Like just yesterday, I managed 554 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: to squeeze in just a little yoga time for myself 555 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: and and then I found that it made a huge 556 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: difference in my ability to roll with a little frustration 557 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: that occurred around dinner time. Um, So I'd like to 558 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: just briefly run through some options. And these are not 559 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, one size fits all options, but I just 560 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: want to run through some options for those of you 561 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: out there are that are in search of mindfulness options 562 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: at this time. So first of all, check and see 563 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: if your local yoga studios, meditation studios, y m c as, 564 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: fitness clubs, et cetera are offering virtual classes in one 565 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: form or another, because many are doing this, some were 566 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: already doing this to begin with, and it's a great 567 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: way to get some level of the social interaction that 568 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: your class entails, uh and the mindfulness practice and even 569 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: the exercise that you need, all while supporting local teachers 570 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: and businesses. So check around, because I'm finding some studios 571 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: and centers are also even just offering free streams right now? 572 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: Is they you know, either just as a way to 573 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of spread the word, to to just do something 574 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: good for for everyone out there, or just to get 575 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: there their technology up and running to where they can 576 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: make it part of their their business model to sustain 577 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: them through a difficult time. And then a plus side 578 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: of this, of course, means that a lot of local 579 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: places become broadly available via this method. So perhaps you 580 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: moved away from your favorite yoga studio, Well, now it's 581 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: a great time to reconnect and see if they're offering 582 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: any kind of online support for you. On top of that, 583 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: there are variously there are some great apps and streaming 584 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: services out there. I want to say that neither of 585 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: these are current advertising advertisers or anything for the show, 586 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: but I'm just mentioning a couple that I personally have 587 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: experience with. There's an there's an app and website online 588 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: service titled Glow g l O formally Yoga Glow. I've 589 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: used this before. It contains tons of yoga and meditation 590 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: videos for all skill levels. UH. For instance, there was 591 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: a period of time where I had a shoulder injury 592 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: and it prevented me from doing a lot of different 593 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: yoga practices. UH in a way that I was pleased with. 594 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: I was able to find some practices that were specifically 595 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: tailored for people who had to go easy on their shoulder, 596 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Uh, So that's a good source. 597 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: Simple Habit is another one. This is a meditation app. 598 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: And this one I believe is a previous advertiser on 599 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: the show um some months back, but during that time 600 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: I got to try it out and it seems like 601 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: a pretty solid way of of exploring meditative possibilities for you. 602 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: But these are just two examples that I have personal 603 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: experience with. There are a bunch of them out there, 604 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: so I would encourage you to just, you know, look around. 605 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: Maybe there's one you can you can do a free 606 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: trial on, uh, try out, see how it goes. And 607 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: then there are various streaming opportunities that are going on, 608 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: uh with yoga teachers, meditation teachers, uh, you know, across 609 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: social media platforms, on YouTube, etcetera. All Right, we gotta 610 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: take a break, but we'll be right back with more 611 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: than alright, we're back. Yeah. So we we've also been 612 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: trying to find ways to keep our keep our brains healthy. 613 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: And I will say one thing that's been very useful 614 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: to us is just getting out of the house to walk, 615 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: you know, not going to anywhere that would be uh, 616 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: that would be crowded with other people, or that would 617 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: have you know, places where you'd be touching public surfaces. 618 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: But just getting outside and going on a walk. And 619 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: as long as you keep your distance from others, you're 620 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: not like handling you know, stuff that other people have 621 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: been around or interacting with. I think your risk is 622 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: extremely low just walking around. Yeah, and now we do 623 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: want to stress that things can change, as in the 624 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: eventity lockdown where you were asked to not leave your homes. 625 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: But generally speaking this is true. Oh yeah, I hadn't 626 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: thought about the possibility of the lockdown affecting this, uh, 627 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: if that comes about. But but yeah, I mean if 628 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: if it is not prohibited where you are. Obviously, just 629 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: walking around outside can be relieving, it can be refreshing, 630 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: It can make you feel a kind of mental reset, 631 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: uh in a way that does not involve you getting 632 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: within the danger radius of other people or you know, 633 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: like handling door knobs and stuff like that. And you 634 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: can even wave at people and their dogs, which is 635 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: which is nice. I personally have enjoyed working a fair 636 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: amount on my front poor on the weather has been 637 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: nice and people have been out on the walks. I 638 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: can wave to them, I can say hi and uh, 639 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: and that's good. Occasionally a child will make a break 640 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: for it to come up and ask where my son 641 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: is and they you know, some parents will have to 642 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: intervene and say all right, nope, nope, comeback safe distance. Uh. 643 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: The learning curve with the children on this this new 644 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: way of approaching things. UH. But but yeah, definitely encourage 645 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: you to consider nature walks, neighborhood walks if you have 646 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: the ability to do so. You know, just again, provided 647 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: there's enough space to ensure social distancing. UM. Connection with 648 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: nature in end of itself boast proven effects for physical 649 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: and mental well being. We've talked about that on the 650 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: show before. UH. Walking meditation on top of this is 651 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: UH is the way that you can potentially contribute to 652 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: to at least the the mental well being aspect of this, 653 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: adding a meditative practice to your walk. UH. There are 654 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: various guides to this online. You can find podcasts related 655 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: to wall king meditation as well as videos. And I 656 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: I've I've only really dipped my toes in walking meditation 657 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: in the past. UM, I do enjoy walking, but walking 658 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: meditation kind of adds a practice on top of that. Uh, 659 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: that is, it kind of forces you to too again 660 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: in the same way you might focus on your breathing, 661 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: You're you're going to focus on your breath and you're 662 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: going to focus on your steps. So I would I 663 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: would encourage anyone that's interested to look into it, especially 664 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: if you if you find it maybe more difficult to 665 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: disconnect on your walks these days. Yeah, I think that's 666 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: totally right. I mean, I've been thinking about how it's Um, 667 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important to try to find ways to 668 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: make sure that you are experiencing and displaying whatever kind 669 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: of normality or normalcy is allowed. Um, you know, whatever 670 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: doesn't actually increase increased disease transmission risk, but helps you 671 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: maintain the sense of a normal life and and not 672 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: feel like, uh, not feel the anxiety creeping in, not 673 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: feeling like everything has changed at once. I think that 674 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing is important and not just for you, 675 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: but it's important for other people to see that in 676 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: you as well. Right, on one hand, it is really 677 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: important to see people taking this infectious disease seriously. But 678 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: on the other hand, like you know, the the opposite 679 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: side of the coin would be panic, which is its 680 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: own kind of horrible epidemic. And so finding whatever kind 681 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: of normalcy and comforting routine you can within all this, 682 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: and while adhering to best practices is very important, that's right, Yeah, 683 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: it certainly don't give into panic, don't don't give into fear, 684 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: because we we all remember the litany against fear, right, Oh, yeah, 685 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: we we've made great use of that in our household. 686 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear 687 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will 688 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: face my fear. I will permit it to pass over 689 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: me and through me. And when it has gone past, 690 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: I will turn the inner eye to see its path. 691 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only 692 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: I will remain. That's the Benny Jesseret Litany against fear 693 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: from Doune. Of course, we learned that from Paul Trades. Yes, 694 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, I have used this in the past, 695 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: like legitimately used it as as a mantra because in 696 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: and of itself it is kind of a mindfulness mantra. 697 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: But it but it also uh, it actually can be 698 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: pretty specifically inspiring on a couple of levels regarding COVID nineteen. 699 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, these these measures of social distancing and even 700 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: lockdowns and quarantines that we've been discussing. Uh. In effect, 701 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about letting the pandemic pass over and through us, 702 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: but at a pace we can handle being the the 703 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: the force of control, uh, that that mitigates it. And 704 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: it's again also just a good insight into fear and 705 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: the uh you know the power of fear and what 706 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: we can do individually to try and stand against it. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, 707 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: as as long as we're we're we're quoting comforting Litany's 708 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: one thing I've been thinking more and more about is um. 709 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just normal routines and comfort but 710 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: this is an important time to try your best to 711 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: foster a sense of community. I mean you can't do 712 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: that in person right now. For for me, this has 713 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: been a great time to read Walt Whitman, you know, 714 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: the poet, the poet of masses of people and communities. Uh. 715 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: This morning I was reading the poem crossing Brooklyn Ferry, 716 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: Robert do you know that one? I don't remember this 717 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: one now? Well, it's a it's a wonderful poem. It's 718 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: it's too long to read here, but I kind of 719 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: did want to read a selection from it, uh, that 720 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: I've found sort of inspiring. At this time when he's 721 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: he's speaking in his mind the idea of the you know, 722 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: the masses of people within the city's coming and going, 723 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: and he's feeling this kind of like infinite, ineffable bond 724 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: with all these other people, and uh, you know, and 725 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 1: and he sort of speaks of coming through crises and uncertainty, 726 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: and towards the end of the poem, ah, he begins 727 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: to to say this. He says, appearances now or henceforth, 728 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 1: indicate what you are. You necessary film, continue to envelope 729 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: the soul about my body for me and your body 730 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: for you. Be hung our divinest aromas. Thrive cities, bring 731 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: your freight, bring your shows, ample and sufficient rivers, expand 732 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: being that which none else is perhaps more spiritual, Keep 733 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: your places objects than which none else is more lasting. 734 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: You have waited, you always wait, you dumb beautiful ministers. 735 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: We receive you with free sense at last, and our insatiate. Henceforward, 736 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: not you anymore shall be able to foil us or 737 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: withhold yourselves from us. We use you, and do not 738 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: cast you aside. We plant you permanently within us. We 739 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: fathom you, not we love you. There is perfection in you. Also. 740 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: You furnish your parts towards eternity great or small. You 741 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: furnish your parts towards the soul. Oh that's beautiful. It's 742 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: a wonderful poem. I recommend people read it. I always 743 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: uh find myself. I don't know. I like to read 744 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: wal Whitman when when I want to feel U when 745 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: I want to feel not just better in general, but 746 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: specifically better about other people and better about people. I 747 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's it is in many ways. 748 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: It is a good time for inspiring poetry. Um, if 749 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: you have poems that you hold dear and now it's 750 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: perhaps a good time to unearth them. Uh looked them 751 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: up online and uh and read them again. Now let 752 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: me ask you this, Joe, how's your how's your dog handling? All? 753 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: This is? Uh? Oh, it's it's the jackpot for him. 754 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: And suddenly suddenly his people are home all the time, 755 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: and he's just getting so much attention and so many 756 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: snuggles while we're working. It's that this is like the 757 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to Charlie. Yeah, I feel 758 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: like our cat is in a similar boat. Like suddenly 759 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: there's always a warm lap around, there's always someone to 760 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: inquire about when the next wet food can is being opened. 761 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: Uh And in my feet, my socked feet are around 762 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: even more for the cat to hunt an attack while 763 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm you know, getting my steps in just sort of 764 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: nervously walking around the house. I've been doing a lot 765 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: of that too, just random pacing way more than usual. 766 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: Even my wife took my son on a nature walk yesterday. 767 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: I stayed at the house. I did some yoga, but 768 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: I didn't have like my phone doesn't capture that. I 769 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: didn't have my phone on me anyway. But then afterwards 770 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: we compared our steps for the day, and uh, I 771 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: think I had equaled or exceeded hers just through a 772 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: nervous pacing around the house. So and it has a 773 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: it has a purpose. Uh, well, you know what, I 774 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: think maybe we can conquer some of that anxiety, not 775 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: just with pace thing, but by staying busy. And we 776 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: are definitely going to stay busy working on the show. 777 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: That's right, um yeah, and again hopefully it will be 778 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: uh comforting entertaining, informative for you, and it will be, um, 779 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a regular listener of the show, 780 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: it will be a normal part of your life that's 781 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: going to continue, even if other things are kind of 782 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: in a state of transition. All right, in the meantime, 783 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: let's say, first of all, if you want to socially 784 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: connect with us and with other listeners. Uh, we do 785 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: not personally engage on our social media platforms that much, 786 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: but uh, there is a Facebook group for our show. 787 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: It is the Stuff to Blow your Mind discussion module. 788 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: You have to ask to be letting in, and you 789 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: have to like answer a question which is just it's 790 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: an easy one, like what's the title of the show? 791 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: That sort of thing. Uh. So it's pretty easy to 792 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: get in, and there's some basic rules to maintain order 793 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: and civility there. But it's a great way to connect 794 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: sometimes with us, but more generally with other listeners. So 795 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: if you need that in your life right now, uh, 796 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,439 Speaker 1: go look it up. Otherwise, if you want to check 797 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: out the show, you can find stuff to Blow your 798 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: Mind wherever you get your podcasts and wherever that happens 799 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: to be just rate, review and subscribe. Those are the 800 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: actions you can take to help our show. Huge thanks 801 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: as always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. 802 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: If you would like to get in touch with us, 803 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: you still can. You can let us know topics you'd 804 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: like to hear in the future. You can give us 805 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: feedback on this episode or any other I don't know 806 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: what your feedback about this episode would be, except I 807 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: don't know people. People who you know might be able 808 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: to weigh in about their own mindfulness practices, how they're 809 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: coping with changes, or just hey, tell us what I'm 810 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: interested in, just knowing what what video games are you playing? 811 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: What what books are you're reading, what movies you're watching, 812 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: what are you know, some of the pleasant things that 813 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: you're you know, maybe even amplifying your life right now 814 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: to help get you through it. I just had a 815 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: great idea, actually we should put together with Stuff to 816 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: Blow your Mind community sourced reading ist. Yeah, for for 817 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,479 Speaker 1: the social distancing period, So yeah, maybe we will try 818 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: to do that. But also yeah, anyway, I never got 819 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: to the address. So if you want to get in 820 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: touch with us, it is contact at Stuff to Blow 821 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: your Mind dot com. Stuff to Blow Your Mind is 822 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: production of i heart Radio. For more podcasts for my 823 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: heart Radio, this, the i heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, 824 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: or wherever you're listening to your favorite shows.