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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Monday morning edition of the Daily Juice podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Matt parolt here Off of Bettingpros dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the long form edition of the podcast. Our

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Speaker 1: second one of these, and I'm looking forward to a

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Speaker 1: really cool conversation with Dave Sheripan from CG Sportsbooks on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at sportsbk kon sig, a guy who has worked

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Speaker 1: both internationally and domestically for many, many years after coming

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Speaker 1: out of Pittsburgh going to Penn State. We have a

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Speaker 1: long interview, long conversation coming up about sports gambling, about

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Speaker 1: how to become a better sports gambler, things mistakes you

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Speaker 1: might be making at the window, and how the markets

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Speaker 1: are going to play out, in particular for Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball and for the NBA to very big hot markets

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Speaker 1: here in the month of July, or sportsbooks after the

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Speaker 1: sportsbooks reopened after three months of being closed. So stick

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Speaker 1: around that long form interview, that long conversation coming up

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Speaker 1: on the other side of our Daily Juice Picks fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes we do every day. This is the long version,

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Speaker 1: the forty five minute version of this podcast. All right,

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Speaker 1: so last week clearly a loser. Week one we went

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Speaker 1: ten and three. Week two we go four and nine,

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Speaker 1: so we're still up. But look at some of you

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Speaker 1: who've asked me, like, are you going to keep track

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Speaker 1: of your units because some of the bets are minus

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Speaker 1: two twenty, some of the bets of are plus one fifty.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. And I know you might say, Matt,

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Speaker 1: that's not a real proper representation of your plays and picks.

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Speaker 1: We're making picks every day, and to do that in

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Speaker 1: particular with future wagers as we're making future bets, that's

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Speaker 1: what I've got a future pick coming up here for

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Speaker 1: the American League rook of the Year. It's just very

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Speaker 1: complicated and very difficult to do that. So just give

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Speaker 1: me a little latitude here. We're just gonna do wins

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Speaker 1: and losses. Right, was the pick right or not? And

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into the math, into the juice. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: that's the name of the game, right to make money.

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Speaker 1: I understand that wholeheartedly. But every day to ask me

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Speaker 1: to do the math on that is just kind of

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Speaker 1: mind blowing. So just cut me that slack. Wins and

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Speaker 1: losses make it easy, Okay, Yes, it does matter with

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Speaker 1: what you're betting, and how much you're winning versus how

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Speaker 1: much you're losing, that absolutely matters. But I'm gonna trust

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Speaker 1: you guys to pick and choose which bets of mine

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play and which bets of mine you're not.

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Speaker 1: Like for instance, the dude that bet my Devison figueroa,

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Speaker 1: he only bet him to win. That's it, didn't bet

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Speaker 1: the under. We got both those bets right, but he

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Speaker 1: only bet one side. So he's one, and oh he's one,

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Speaker 1: and oh my plays, but I had, you know, twelve

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Speaker 1: thirteen plays going last week. He played one of them.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of you. Guys are gonna have to

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Speaker 1: pick and choose which you want to do, what plays

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Speaker 1: you like of mine, what plays you don't. So I

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Speaker 1: want you guys to enjoy yourselves with this. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to fade my picks, go right ahead, play

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Speaker 1: my picks, go right ahead. That it's the name of

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Speaker 1: the game. However, you're making money, that's all I care about.

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Speaker 1: I want to know how you make money. I want

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Speaker 1: to help you find bets you like, maybe find bets

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Speaker 1: you don't like. Maybe after a break down, A wager

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Speaker 1: like that sounds ridiculous. I think he's totally wrong. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna fade it. So if I've done my job here,

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Speaker 1: I've helped you come to a determination as to what

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Speaker 1: bet you want to make. So after getting all the

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Speaker 1: breaks in week one, we got none of the breaks.

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Speaker 1: In week two. Patrick Cantelly was plus one ten up

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Speaker 1: because well, Tony fenw just completely fell apart. Patrick Cantillay

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Speaker 1: Patrick Cantealay all of a sudden, just on the back

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Speaker 1: what happened to Patrick Cantalay, but Patrick Cantley wound up

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Speaker 1: champion here in this tournament. Winds up with a four

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Speaker 1: I mean, John Rohm just ran away with it. Winds

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Speaker 1: it was not. You know, would have been great to

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Speaker 1: have picked, you know, somebody else, but I picked Tony

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Speaker 1: so we got bad luck in golf. Tiger Woods. Amazingly enough,

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Speaker 1: And then we went one and two on our plays

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Speaker 1: picks and Thursday Thursday morning gonna be a ton of fun.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna tiptoe in with half unit plays for both

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Speaker 1: We may go four and oh one night and then

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Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox to go over. They're one of

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Speaker 1: Lozardo from the Oakland A's is a pitcher who might

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Speaker 1: looking at really closely, and that is Luise Robert, who

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Speaker 1: so publicity matters. Have you been watching some of these

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Speaker 1: comes to this award. In a sixty games stretch, this

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Speaker 1: thirty six bases across three different levels of the minor

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Speaker 1: so he's the odds on favorite to win the award already.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is an award over a sixty

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Speaker 2: lot different than it did even four years ago. Just

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Speaker 2: ems in the expansion, but also at the end of

432
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Speaker 2: it with it going, you know, bringing to the surface

433
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Speaker 2: and out of the offshore world so much and the

434
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Speaker 2: underlying currents that involved with that. It's become more transparent,

435
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Speaker 2: which is welcoming in the novice better as well, because

436
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Speaker 2: it was always a very intimidating experience in sportsbooks. So

437
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Speaker 2: you had a lot of people that were even afraid

438
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Speaker 2: to come up to the counter to ask a question. Well,

439
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Speaker 2: in a lot of times they were probably treated as

440
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Speaker 2: a novice, where now customer service is the name of

441
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Speaker 2: the game. You have to be open to questions, you

442
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Speaker 2: have to be open to explaining things, and so the

443
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Speaker 2: knowledge I think on both sides of the counter has increased,

444
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Speaker 2: which has made the game just that much more difficult

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Speaker 2: for the book. I'll say, I don't think the other

446
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Speaker 2: the other side of the counter is better now than

447
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Speaker 2: it ever was, even with the expansion of it and

448
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Speaker 2: welcoming in all of the new people. I mean, there's

449
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Speaker 2: shows like yours now that are just out there with

450
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Speaker 2: giving good advice, whereas before you used to get a

451
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Speaker 2: lot of bad advice. It used to get a lot

452
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Speaker 2: of bad a lot of bad opinions, where the books

453
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Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, listen to them and come and

454
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Speaker 2: bet at our book. You know, and now it's not

455
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Speaker 2: so much you get good with bad and you have

456
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Speaker 2: to weed it out. So yeah, I think the other

457
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Speaker 2: side of the counter is better than it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: How did daily Fantasy impact the analytical approach and what

459
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Speaker 1: did that do to one the better? But also the

460
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Speaker 1: book baking? Did it change things at all when DFS

461
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Speaker 1: became like the rage.

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Speaker 2: I think DFS changed. It's more for individual sports, like

463
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, especially with the pandemic and everything

464
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Speaker 2: going on, like you see it with golf now, like

465
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Speaker 2: golf betting, there is a lot it's a sharp market

466
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Speaker 2: now whereas it used to be very not and individual

467
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Speaker 2: sports have definitely changed. With fantasy, I don't know as much.

468
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Speaker 2: I think books, a lot of books, not the big

469
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Speaker 2: ones now like Fandolin, DraftKings and stuff like that that

470
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Speaker 2: still have a big pution of fantasy. But like I know,

471
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Speaker 2: books in Vegue has tried to do like fantasy stuff

472
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Speaker 2: and you know, try to do props with you know,

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Speaker 2: just individual game props or season props. That changed because

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Speaker 2: now those markets are available way more than they ever were.

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Speaker 2: But I think some books are reticent to do it

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Speaker 2: because it involves a lot of work. And books aren't

477
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Speaker 2: staffed appropriately or sometimes the just the handle just isn't

478
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Speaker 2: there enough to actually win or make a big dent.

479
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Speaker 2: So a lot of books are just reticent to even

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Speaker 2: do it. They just rather not deal with it.

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Speaker 1: When you look at where we are right now here

482
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Speaker 1: and we head into sports and the downtime that you

483
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Speaker 1: guys had obviously the sportsbooks not being open here in

484
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Speaker 1: Vegas for a while and then and then reopening. I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: are you seeing you at fifty seventy five percent where

486
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Speaker 1: you were?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What have you seen from the betting public so far

489
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Speaker 1: in terms of the activity.

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Speaker 2: So for us, we're so reliant on people being in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: So until Vegas gets back to where it was as

492
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Speaker 2: far as people being in the hotels and being in books,

493
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Speaker 2: we're not going to see that level again for a while.

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Speaker 2: You know what, have as far as customers in our

495
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Speaker 2: books or on account playing this last month and a

496
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Speaker 2: half that I have in a year, and people are

497
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Speaker 2: diving in with totals and sides and different leagues and stuff.

498
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Speaker 2: So I think it's coming. I'll tell you this. There's

499
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Speaker 2: people betting like it's the playoffs. They're doing parlays, they're

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Speaker 2: they're involving you know, the Phillies or or the Yankees

501
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Speaker 2: or the same teams. But it's there. So I mean

502
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Speaker 2: even Major League Soccer MLS Soccer, it's on every night

503
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Speaker 2: and they've established a schedule now for a week and

504
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Speaker 2: a half or two weeks, whatever it is. We're getting

505
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Speaker 2: action on this stuff like we've never gotten it before.

506
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Speaker 2: So I think it's there and we'll see that, you know,

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Speaker 2: with the start of something. Hopefully major League Baseball gets

508
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Speaker 2: it really going, but the NBA is going to be

509
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Speaker 2: the telltale sign for me when with the way the

510
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Speaker 2: NBA schedule is set up, with the games are going

511
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Speaker 2: to be pretty much all on TV, I'm expecting it

512
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Speaker 2: to be balker Ours action.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into some of the betting that we've

514
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Speaker 1: seen for baseball and basketball and where we are here

515
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Speaker 1: with the with the NFL. I wanted to ask you,

516
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Speaker 1: and I know you guys didn't book this at cgu

517
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Speaker 1: I'm as curious about advice you would give to somebody

518
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Speaker 1: when it comes to house rules at different bookscause every

519
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Speaker 1: book generally has its own house rules. And over the

520
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Speaker 1: weekend we saw the xpanitya race where DraftKings they paid

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Speaker 1: out a win for Kyle Busch, while other books in

522
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Speaker 1: Vegas said, no, we're taking the official result, not the

523
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Speaker 1: actual result that we've seen here. So where are we

524
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Speaker 1: going to be here? You know what would you recommend

525
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Speaker 1: going forward for people who are getting into the space,

526
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Speaker 1: who are new gamblers when it comes to learning the

527
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Speaker 1: house rules for the book, that they go ahead and use.

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Speaker 2: The house rules are such an important thing from my

529
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Speaker 2: experience point to West Virginia and draft house rules for

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Speaker 2: a place that wasn't even open yet. I know what

531
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Speaker 2: a It's an overreaching task and it involves lawyers. It

532
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Speaker 2: involves things that have to be written, Stipulations have to

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Speaker 2: be set up for situations. The NASCAR is unique because

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Speaker 2: of this post race inspection that they do. I think

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Speaker 2: most books have taken the stance that you have to

536
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Speaker 2: wait until the post race inspection. NASCAR does very strange thing.

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: It's unofficial results and that's what you see, but you

538
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Speaker 2: can't grade it like we wait two three hours and

539
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Speaker 2: there's an official race to ask those things. So it's

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Speaker 2: very important. Baseball, there's a lot of things going on.

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Speaker 2: If you bet run lineer total and the game doesn't

542
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Speaker 2: play a full nine innings. It's a refund. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people don't know that until they go to collect

544
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Speaker 2: their wager the next day and get told that The

545
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Speaker 2: listed pictures thing has been a headache for years for

546
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Speaker 2: baseball wagers. Things are changing. There's so many things involved

547
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Speaker 2: in house rules and wagers that you really pay attention.

548
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Speaker 2: And if you have a dispute or question, it's not

549
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Speaker 2: a fight at the beginning. Just try to understand it

550
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Speaker 2: from both sides, and usually the books will work with you.

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Speaker 2: And then there's books that are paying out like different

552
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Speaker 2: things as a sign of goodwill and to set up

553
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Speaker 2: future business. They'll likely do that as long as you're

554
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Speaker 2: not trying to, you know, deceive anybody. I think the

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Speaker 2: disputes can be resolved for the benefit of both sides when.

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Speaker 1: It comes to starting though, Like is it hard to

557
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Speaker 1: find the house rules? I mean, I mean a lot

558
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Speaker 1: of times, if someone's beending ten dollars at a time,

559
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Speaker 1: they're not going to care all that much. But when

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Speaker 1: they're getting into into the higher, you know, four figure

561
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Speaker 1: type wagers, you probably should be reading it. You know,

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Speaker 1: is there is it available? Do you have to make

563
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Speaker 1: that as available as possible? Or a state by state thing.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to posting house rules, I know.

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Speaker 2: In Nevada they have to be posted and they have

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Speaker 2: to be available. So they're available likely physically in the book.

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Speaker 2: I know, you can find them on most apps as well.

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Speaker 2: On the login screen there's there's a tab usually that

569
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Speaker 2: says house rules that you can find. And if there's

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Speaker 2: any dispute, like all of our disputes in Nevada, if

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Speaker 2: it goes that far, goes to gaming and there's you know,

572
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Speaker 2: a hearing, you have to submit your side, they submit

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Speaker 2: their selves, all claim score type situation. Ideally it doesn't

574
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Speaker 2: go that far, but yeah, they should be available. And

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Speaker 2: like with these apps now, I mean, it's getting to

576
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Speaker 2: the point now where you're gonna be able to stream games,

577
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to get scores. You can certainly

578
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Speaker 2: get the house rules pretty much on every app.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about some sharp money here.

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Speaker 1: With baseball starting up on Thursday, so it looks like

581
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Speaker 1: we're going to begin the season. Now, how long we're

582
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Speaker 1: gonna go, we'll see. But what are you guys seeing

583
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Speaker 1: for sixty game betting here? Is it typical or atypical

584
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Speaker 1: in terms of where we are in the futures market

585
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Speaker 1: with professionals, and just overall handle so far going into

586
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Speaker 1: baseball for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Usually at this point, Matt, we're really in a really

588
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Speaker 2: good from a future stamp, you know, odds to win

589
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: the Pennant, odds to win the World Series, but we

590
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: were closed. So it's it's crazy for like number of tickets.

591
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Speaker 2: It's the Dodgers, it's the Yankees, it's the Cubs, it's

592
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Speaker 2: the White Sox. Those are the top four as far

593
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Speaker 2: as like tickets, nothing surprising, followed by the Calls and

594
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: the Twin Angels. It's very typical at least for the

595
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Speaker 2: books in Vegas to have those teams be at the

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Speaker 2: top as far as like liabilities. Those teams were actually

597
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: would lose to at this point, and usually before the

598
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: season there's only one or two that you're really kind

599
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: of stuck to, and they're usually the bad teams. And

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Speaker 2: I went through and listed which teams we would be

601
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Speaker 2: a minus two if the season started right now. The

602
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: White Sox won just because of the number of bets.

603
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Speaker 2: There's been just a lot of talk about the White

604
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: Men a much better, much better line up and pitching

605
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: that's going to keep them in and gain, so quantity

606
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: of tickets there is almost equal to the Cubs, which

607
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: has not been the case for years, but it's it

608
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: is right now. But then the other teams who lose

609
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: to are the Mariners, the Orioles, the Tigers, the Royals,

610
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Speaker 2: because they're the worst teams in the league, their odds

611
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: are the highest, and it doesn't take much to in

612
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Speaker 2: money bet to make those teams a loser. So I

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00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: don't know if you know Baseball Reference or you know

614
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: whoever comes out with these somewhat reports that projected wins

615
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: and things to make the Padres a team that can

616
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: actually win a wild card. I don't think they can

617
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: supplant the Dodgers as division winner, but they're going to

618
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: be in the mix, and a lot of people are

619
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Speaker 2: gravitating towards them betting watching.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that the NBA is going to be the

621
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Speaker 1: real big you know, belcow here and measuring stick as

622
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Speaker 1: to where we are. I mean, what are you guys

623
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: expecting And how difficult is it when a league restarts

624
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Speaker 1: and it has the interest that the NBA does From

625
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: a betting perspective, how hard is it to handicap and

626
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: to book make on a league that's going to start

627
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: back up again and go right to the playoffs. But

628
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: in a bubble with no fans, it's.

629
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Speaker 2: Going to be really tough. But I think what we

630
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: keep talking about is we're on equal ground. I don't

631
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Speaker 2: think anyone on either side of the counter really knows

632
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: what to expect. We took bets on the Pelicans in

633
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: the first I believe in the jazz they laid the

634
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: two half, we got all the way three Zion had

635
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: to leave the bubble, and now that line is off

636
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: the board. We don't know when it's gonna come back up.

637
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: We don't know what it's gonna be. It all depends

638
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: on whether he's gonna play or not. So just one example,

639
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: but you'll see I mean like, well, we'll get ramped

640
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: up quick. It's gonna be fast because there's games every day,

641
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be it's gonna be quick, eight games

642
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: to get to that playoffs. I then you'll start to

643
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: see some edges, You'll start to see some some sharp moves.

644
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: I think the totals are gonna be a complete guess.

645
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: Right now, we don't know what to expect as far

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Speaker 2: as the totals, because there's zero home court advantage. No

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Speaker 2: one has any real knowledge of practice and what's going

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Speaker 2: on other than the little stuff that you're hearing here

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Speaker 2: and there. So I think the totals if you start

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Speaker 2: to see some serious like what we're gonna do is

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna overmove stuff. We're gonna it may

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Speaker 2: create middle opportunities, but we're gonna take our chances on

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Speaker 2: games not falling and getting middled, and we're gonna move

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Speaker 2: to try to prevent being overloaded on one side because

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Speaker 2: if you get over two fourteen and over two fifteen,

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Speaker 2: over two sixteen, we may just go from two fourteen

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Speaker 2: to two sixteen and a half and see what happened.

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Speaker 2: Try to get all sides.

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Speaker 1: What would you recommend from a player perspective when it

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Speaker 1: comes to this NBA? If you guys are gonna be tiptoeing,

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Speaker 1: you're not etechically sure, is the best advice to give

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Speaker 1: to a player that look at you got to wait

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Speaker 1: and see and take a week or two before you

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Speaker 1: really start to bet like normal.

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Speaker 2: I know myself that's exactly what I'm gonna do. It's

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Speaker 2: no automatic, Like you know, people are gonna bet the

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Speaker 2: Lakers because they're the Lakers. Well, the Lakers may take

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Speaker 2: a wait and see approach. I mean they only need

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Speaker 2: to really win three games maybe for the eight to

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Speaker 2: clinch that one seed. You really got to see the lineups,

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Speaker 2: you got to see the rotations. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: guys are going to get the full minutes that they,

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Speaker 2: you know, normally get. Yeah, I think the NBA is

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Speaker 2: going to be a real tough handicapped the first couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, and it's gonna be fun and people are

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Speaker 2: gonna play it.

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Speaker 1: So the NFL is going to start camp here coming

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Speaker 1: up at the end of the month, and we got

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of protocol issues and questions, but they're

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Speaker 1: gonna They're looking like they're gonna go here. Where are

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Speaker 1: you guys in terms of the NFL NFL future wagers?

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Speaker 1: And I know you guys are down a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of when you came back on, are

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Speaker 1: people still coming back in here on the NFL? And

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Speaker 1: what do you expect the NFL to look like? Betting

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Speaker 1: lives this fall.

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Speaker 2: The NFL is still king, and it is king for futures.

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Speaker 2: By four, I went through and looked Chiefs, Ravens and

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, numbers one, two, and three. As far as

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Speaker 2: number of tickets, the Raiders are number four here in

691
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Speaker 2: Vegas and then the Buccaneers are number five. So uh,

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Speaker 2: people were betting those teams, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: reasons why you can see. You can see that. And

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Speaker 2: as far as liability, our number one loser is the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: and it's simply because they're here. It's the local team.

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Speaker 2: And for years growing up, I knew a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys that were bookies in Pittsburgh that rooted against the

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Speaker 2: Steelers every week because they needed against them. And you're

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Speaker 2: gonna see that here in Las Vegas for sure, against

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Speaker 2: the Raiders every week. It's just incredible how travelers still

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Speaker 2: come here and place wagers on their teams before they

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Speaker 2: go home. So before we even made this phone call,

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Speaker 2: I saw bets on the Vikings, I saw on the Packers,

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Speaker 2: and we take them for twelve months. We put them

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Speaker 2: up before the Super Bowls played and have them up

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Speaker 2: until the Super Bowls played, So you have twelve months

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Speaker 2: to take future wagers. And it's a huge, huge advantage

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Speaker 2: that you know. So it's if we were closed for

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Speaker 2: three months, we missed out on some future wagers, but

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Speaker 2: don't cry for the books. They're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: So on my radio show, you and I talked about

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Speaker 1: the rage a little bit. I wrote some stuff. I

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Speaker 1: did a pick on the on the Future over seven

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Speaker 1: wins for the Raiders here on this very podcast, I

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Speaker 1: think that they're gonna win eight games. You came on

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Speaker 1: my radio show. We had the very same conversation about

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, and tell the story about what happened immediately

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Speaker 1: after you and I got off the phone for the

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Speaker 1: radio show to the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: It was hilarious. So we did the show. You said

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Speaker 2: you liked the Raiders own wins and I said seven

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Speaker 2: and a half and we have yet to take a

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Speaker 2: p on the under. And we're like, oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I like that, I'm still gonna go over.

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Speaker 2: So within an hour of the show airing, uh sped

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Speaker 2: in the book. I believe it was Cosmo a limit

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Speaker 2: way under seven and a half, and I just started

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Speaker 2: laughing because they said, oh, there's the power. Though they

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Speaker 2: must have been driving around. I listened they heard this

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Speaker 2: guy come on as the Raiders over and said, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna stomp in and and was literally

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Speaker 2: the first stager we under seven and a half, So

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Speaker 2: you and everyone else against the at least with us

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Speaker 2: on the Raiders season wins seven and a half and

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Speaker 2: only moves we didn't. You know, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: move the number. Stay seven and a half for a

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Speaker 2: while because quantity of bets that just keep building up

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Speaker 2: on that thing over unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: All right, before we wrap it up, Dave, if there's

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Speaker 1: one piece of advice in one mistake that you see

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Speaker 1: amateur betters make all the time, what's the mistake and

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Speaker 1: what's the advice as to not doing it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? That's twofold. One is parlays are fun, but parlays

744
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: aren't a way to make money. You just see it

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Speaker 2: consistently over and over and over. Stay away from them

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Speaker 2: as much as possible unless you're having fun and you

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00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: just want to, you know, get action and you want

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Speaker 2: to spend a little bit to try to make a score.

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Speaker 2: But I don't expect to win those and expect to

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Speaker 2: have to grind it out. The other piece of advice

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Speaker 2: is bank roll management is key to success in this business.

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Speaker 2: Both from the book stamp, from the better standpoint, you

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Speaker 2: got to kind of, you know, keep the bets consistent,

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Speaker 2: maybe an extra percent when you really feel you have

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Speaker 2: an edge or you have a number that just you know,

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Speaker 2: is that good and you can get it and then

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00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: you know, as you win, you increase your bankroll, but

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Speaker 2: as you lose you have to back it down. Don't

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00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: ever chase I've seen it for years. You can't chase

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Speaker 2: losses that it just makes it worse. And when you win,

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Speaker 2: enjoy the wins. But still it consists. See people over

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00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: betting all time after a cop and when things are hot,

763
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Speaker 2: it goes bad quick and then you're back behind the

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Speaker 2: eight ball.

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Speaker 1: It's great advice in bankroll management. Do you believe in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, the percentage of the five percent

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Speaker 1: of your bank roll should be pretty much what you're

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Speaker 1: putting into play with every wager. Is that a number

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Speaker 1: that you like or do you like pla.

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Speaker 2: Us or more of that? It all depends where you're at.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you have a substantial bankroll and you

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Speaker 2: don't spread yourself too thin, you don't have to bet

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Speaker 2: every game. That's the advantage of being the better. The

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Speaker 2: book has to put up lines for every you see

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Speaker 2: people just because games they you know six of them,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. You can bet who

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Speaker 2: bet the right amounts do that, and when you don't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a certain percentage. It's just

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Speaker 2: what you're comfortable with. And then make sure as you're winning,

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Speaker 2: you increase it a little bit, and as you're losing,

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Speaker 2: you decrease it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Dave, thank you for the time. This is a ton

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Speaker 1: of fun. Really appreciate you coming on the Daily Juice.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Matt. We'll talk soon, buddy.

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Speaker 1: All right, hopefully you enjoyed that conversation with Dave Sherrip

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Speaker 1: and from CG Sportsbooks. Sorry about my mic during that interview.

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Speaker 1: I swear I'm going to get this right. At some

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Speaker 1: point we fixed the interviewe the interviewer like me. I

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Speaker 1: got to fix that, so I think I figured it out.

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Speaker 1: I thought I did, but I guess I didn't. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully next week for the long form, we'll have it

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