WEBVTT - Fargo with Julia Prescott 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.360 On the be Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.039 have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:11.240 and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.520 and best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.160 and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. Oh wait, I meant 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.160 to do it a different way. Let me start over. Okay, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.400 well hey, well hey there, and welcome to the beck 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:33.080 Doel Cast. Hey, I'm your host, Caitlin Durante. I'm Jamie Loftus. Well, hey, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.200 hey there. That was a little bit in New York. Yeah, 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.199 it's really hard. I thought I would do better at 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:42.520 this accent. Figure it out. It's foreshadowing of the movie 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.440 we're gonna be talking about. This is so clever of us, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.519 I know, I know, yeah, oh yeah. But before we 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.920 get into that, we're gonna just tell you a little 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.800 bit about what the Bechdel Cast is. What is it. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.880 It's a podcast where we talk about movies, but specifically 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.240 they're female characters. Each we pick a different movie every 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.520 week and we just talk and chat and then we 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.440 also at the at the end when we remember, we 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.319 decide if it passed the Backdal test. That's which is 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.319 which has everything to do with whether there are two 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.280 female characters who speak to each other about something other 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.640 than a man. There's a variation of it where the 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.440 female characters have to have names depending on the movie. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.760 We we take it easy on some and uh really 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.360 going on the others. Yeah, we're we can be ruthless. Yeah. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.040 And if you're wondering, hey, who are these two people? Yeah, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.760 why do why do they get to talk about? Well? Yeah, 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.760 I wonder if anyone ever is like, which one's talking? Oh, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.880 these there's two ladies and they're both their voices are 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:52.000 too shrill, like Kippernette White ladies were the same lady. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.160 But yeah, I'm the one. It's me, Caitlin. It's me. Uh. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.440 And I have a lot of credentials. One. I have 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.560 made several students elms, at least three of them. Also, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.080 I do. I do have two degrees in film. I 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:14.040 don't like to bring it up. I don't like the time. Well, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.799 you know, the people want to know the people are as. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.560 I used my degree this week, which is pretty amazing. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.000 My radio degree. I know I never get to use 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.200 it because it's in irrelevant medium, but I used it 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.519 this week. I wrote some promos for a radio station. Hey, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.519 there you go. It took three years, but I did it. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.240 Did they pay you for it? Uh, we'll see. We'll 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.000 see if they come there. In theory, they should. Yeah, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.280 if you do work, you should get paid for it. Yeah. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.320 I have one degree. I bet I use it this week, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.840 So it counts thet much for their head than I am. Switch. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:55.600 But without further ado, let's introduce our guests. Yeah, she's 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.520 a very funny person. She's a writer, she's a comedian, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.320 and her name is True Prescott. Thanks for having me on, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.840 Thanks for joining us, for coming. Yeah, so you've brought 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.520 us a movie that we're going to be talking about, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.200 and tell us. Tell us what it is. Well, first 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.520 and foremost, I must say my degree um, I degree 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:19.680 in in Film Studies UM from Chapman University. Interesting bit 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.520 of trivia about my degree. I got into film school 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.040 with an essay on the Cohen Brothers, got out with 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:30.880 a thesis on them. Baby, yeah sandwiched my education. Oh 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.960 this is perfect. Yeah, I I'm so excited to talk 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.040 about this movie. I did rewatch it, but I did 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.600 feel before I rewatched, I was like, do I need 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.440 to because I feel like I know it so well. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.680 It's just one of those movies. And then I also 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.600 watched the TV series that it was based on. I 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.440 haven't seen that yet. I've heard it's very good. I've 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.880 heard some good things, such a treat. The movie is 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:59.120 Fargo FO which they probably knew because it's I'm guessing 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.800 on the episode listing. Yeah, well, no, we should keep 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.240 everyone in suspense. They have to listen to know what 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.640 movie we're talking about. Can I just say something while 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.880 I'm thinking about it. I didn't say my name yet. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.480 Oh yeah, you should see your name. Oh boy, now 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.640 I feel very I feel full of hubrious. But my 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.920 name is Jamie. Okay, let's keep talking. That accent is 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.160 super fun. Oh yeah, I feel like I'm a real 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.840 sponge for accents. Like I'll be in Canada for like 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.880 half a day and everything will be like, oh yeah, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.479 Like I stop doing it this afternoon, Like I watched 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.280 it this afternoon and then I came right here. I 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:44.160 was feeling real, Marge. It's just it's a kind musicality, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.920 like there's there's like a real fun cadence to it 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.640 that just it opens the world up to you. That's 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.360 how I feel. But yeah, yeah, Yeah. To answer your 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.240 question from before, well, the reason why I brought this 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.960 movie is because this movie had always stuck out to me. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.520 I think that for Cohen Brothers fans, they love Raising Arizona, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.880 they love The Big Labowski, you know, they love other ones. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.440 But I feel like this is a lot of Cohen 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.559 Brothers fans like, first, this is the big drama movie 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.719 that they really latch onto. And at least that was 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.120 the way it was for me. And I was always 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.360 a really big fan of film noir. I actually originally 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.960 wanted to major as a cinematographer because I was like, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.960 really in a black and white cinematography. I was really 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.039 obnoxious eighteen to nineteen year old. But I got really 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.320 into film noirs and then um, you know, got into 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.159 Cohen Brothers movies, which is neon noir. And the way 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.919 that they do it in this film, I think is 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.880 just what. It's a spicy meat a ball. It's perfect. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.440 We were talking earlier about how it's virtually flawless everything 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.640 about it. There's not a dull moment. Yeah, it's so good, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.600 and it's full of olymptic to men, yeah and like 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.960 women who are doing their best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.279 bunch of incompetent dudes and a bunch of very competent well, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.880 not a bunch one, especially very competent woman. I feel 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.520 like that's a trend in a lot of Cohen Brothers 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.440 films in general, though, I mean, you see that with 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.120 Raising Arizona and the Character of High, you see that 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.200 with you know, a lot of their other films that 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.960 it it's sort of like the action of the story 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.320 begins with an incompetent man spinning a lie that just 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.480 gets them deeper and deeper and deeper. And of course 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.720 we see that in this movie with Jerry Lindagard played 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.760 by William H. Macy just being a total bumbling idiot. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.159 Like I feel like you could, I mean, with the 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.120 exception of No Country for Old Men and some of 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.360 their later works aside, Like you can count on any 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.880 Cohen Brothers movie where in like the first five or 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.760 ten minutes, if a plot is enacted of deceit or 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.800 you know, some sort of like get rich quick scheme, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.040 you know that it's not going to work out at 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:59.880 all because of this character's own misgivings, like they're inept 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:01.839 to two is going to get in the way and 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.240 you know, and it's going to be very entertaining because 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.039 they're gonna have like sort of a folksy approach to 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.720 it that is like very every man, which I find 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.440 really interesting. Yea. And with Jerry from moment one, like 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.880 he's late to the first scene and then he was like, Oh, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.360 this guy does not have it. He doesn't have it together. Yeah, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.920 And the way that he's interacting with these two mom 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.520 guys is so I mean, it's it's indicative of where 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.240 he comes from culturally, with like you know, far going 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.920 north North Dakota and just being very like, you know, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.240 oh hey, how are you going? Oh hey, you know, 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.080 like just being overly accommodating. But it also speaks to 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.520 like his own ineptness of being a man, which is 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.160 really what drives his plot and is like a central 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.360 theme in this film. And they do it in the 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:51.760 first five fucking minute. So good. Yeah, it's so well written, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.960 it's so well directed and act just like and the 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.840 way that they cast it too. I mean, they do 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.800 this for every one of their movies. They're so great 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.360 at finding these aasing character actors. But I was just 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.400 thinking about this, like even in the scene with Um, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.200 like the two escorts that Marge interviews to find out 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.600 more about, you know, Steve Amy's character and Peter Stormyer's character. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.320 Like they are such a specific kind of like North 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:20.560 Dakota trashy girl, and like, these aren't actresses that I've 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.880 seen in any other movie. And I don't think, you know, 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.800 I didn't check their IMDb, but I'm willing to bet 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:26.840 they weren't in a lot of things. But they just 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.600 they acted so well and they were so real and 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.679 it just like enhanced everything. Well, we just found out 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.360 before you got here that Jean the first thing she 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.280 was ever in was Fargo because she's from there. Wow, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.720 really yeah, because I was like, I don't recognize her 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.120 from anything else, and from what I can tell, she's 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.479 the only like main cast member who is like absolutely 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.520 from there, which makes you know, her accent checks out. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.959 It's what she what has she done? After this? She 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:59.040 was in Drop Dead Gorgeous and yes, those are two 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.880 of my favorite one of my favorite movies. Yeah, it's 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.440 but her first thing ever was Fargo, so they must 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.000 have plus set out of there. I remember she was 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.520 the Pork Products girl and Drop Dead Gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.080 I just love it I work here now. God, that 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.640 fucking movie is one of the best movies of all times. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.240 It Oh my god, it's so good. Yeah. It was 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.960 directed by one of the members of the State and 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.679 it was written by this woman who I don't know 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.840 if she did a ton of movies after that. It 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 was her first feature film. And there's actually a whole 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.880 like BuzzFeed article written by Lewis Pisman that goes into 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.520 like the behind the scenes, you know, rise of the 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.120 cult of Drop Dead Gorgeous and talks about like drama 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.520 on set and like how it just kept changing due 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.680 to studio notes, etcetera, etcetera. But it's actually out of 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.240 print on DVD, so if you can find it on 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.480 e Bay, I highly recommend snatching that up and shout 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:58.760 out to Pietsman, I know what he kills it. Well, okay, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.840 well that's the podcast. I think that's all we have 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.840 to say. I usually um to everyone's dismay, spend a 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.040 few minutes describing the story of the movie that we're 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.280 talking about, just for anyone at home who doesn't need 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.920 a refresher, who hasn't seen it before, or just likes 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.840 my hilarious take on what the movie is about, So 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.760 this is a story where we first initially, the central 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.079 character is Jerry Lindegard played by William H. Macy, and 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.520 he goes to these two criminal professional criminals and he's like, YO, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.640 kidnap my wife because I'm in financial trouble and we're 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.120 going to do this whole fake ransom thing. But we 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.160 both get paid out because my wife's husband or I'm 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.080 my wife's husband, that's what he said. My wife's father 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.640 is wealthy, so like, yeah, cool, good idea. And then 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.839 we meet his family and his wife and his father 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.120 in law. And the second you meet his wife, you're 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:59.160 just like precious. Yeah, like at first it sounds fun 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.440 to kidnap a and you're just like, oh, maybe you know, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.760 because I feel like we're conditioned took like, oh maybe 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.719 she's mean, maybe she's like, maybe we're not going to 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.160 love her. The first time she opens her mouth, she's 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.560 the most precious, She's wonderful. You're like, don't wonderful? Who 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.920 could want to lay a hand on this woman? And 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.400 it felt so sad for her in just seeing her 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.760 in like her homemaker life of like sitting on the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.599 couch and watching like daytime TV. And knitting. I was 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.200 just like, and she's so clearly settled for what I'm like, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.319 how did they meet? Like, I I just maybe that's 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.480 another season a far, because I I just I don't know. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.560 Whenever I see her, I'm like, I know for sure 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.840 you could have done better yeah than Jerry. Yeah. Yeah. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.400 So then we we learned that Jerry's a very dishonest 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.560 car salesman, and it's yeah, that's a great way to 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:55.040 describe them. Yeah, wanness um. His wife gets kidnapped. They 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.240 go off to take her to the lake, but before that, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.000 a cop pulls them over and some murders happen, and 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.240 they're like, oh crap, this didn't go Things are not 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.640 going as planned. Jerry, we need more money, and he's like, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.000 oh no, I don't know anymore. He couldn't even handle 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.240 the first of it, so things start to go awry. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.800 Then after these murders happened, we meet Marge Gunderson. She's 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.800 a detective and she starts investigating these murders and she 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.559 connects a few things back to the dealership where Jerry works, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.280 and she starts to question him, and he is very 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:36.040 bad at being questioned by police officers and things keep 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.520 heightening and some violence happens. More people get murdered, including 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.480 Jerry's father in law. They take her to the lake 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.000 and then it ends with Marge finding the foot in 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:53.040 the wood shipper and she finds the Tan Sierra. Well 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.079 that's the car. That be careful, Marge, B care I 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.520 was gonna send some car. And then she shoots the 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.800 bad guy leg and she's like, yo, all this for 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.960 a little bit of money, you stupid idiot. She's so great, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.120 she really is. And then she goes home to her husband, Norm, Norm, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.120 who is flacid in all the right ways. Well, before 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.720 you said that, I was going to say that it 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.680 reminds me so much of me and my fiance. Oh no, 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.800 not like that though, No though, I think he's an artist, 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.280 and so I was teasing him like you're just you're 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.680 painting your duck paintings, you know, run you know, we're 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.199 just sweet to each other in a similar way. Conversation 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.360 at the end with the with the sweet three cent 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.880 stamp and she's like, well that's good though, because people 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.160 need those sometimes, and he's like, okay, yeah, I do. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.960 I do find myself like in situations where you know, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.960 he's sort of down in the dumps about something creatively. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.400 I do find myself like finding the cadence of Marge 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.920 going yeah, but you're better than them, Han, Yeah, but 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:57.400 you're better than them and yeah yeah, so only the 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.880 good parts to shout out to Mike if you're listening, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.400 you know, Yeah, I love that moment at the end 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.840 with Marge. I mean, she's just so wise and she's 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:13.079 so like confident in her like sort of matriarchal ways. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.240 And and it's not like she's just kind but also smart. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.240 It's it's weird. It's like she can sort of succinctly 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.520 boil everything down and get the answers, like earlier when 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.520 she's questioning Sheep at his shop and being like, you know, 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.400 like I I look into your background and you've got 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.200 some infractions and you're on parole, and I'm just thinking, like, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.640 you probably wouldn't want to be involved with like this 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.000 being accessory to crime, now, would you? Like, you know, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.960 she she's obviously playing a detective game, but there is 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.560 still this like genuine like warmth to her and she 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.600 actually cares about like she doesn't want people to go 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.880 back on Pearl. She doesn't want people to go you know, 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.000 commit crimes and go back into jail. She wants the 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.840 world to be good. She's a very nurturing yeah. Yeah, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.920 And one of the reasons this movie is so great 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.000 is that she is such like a strong, multidimensional character. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.480 She's like you said, smart, she's good at her job. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.520 She's really good at her job. She's very competent. She's 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.720 like nice to a fault, but also like firm and 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.920 assertive when she needs to be. Like we see the 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.200 scene with mike Yanagita and he's like very clearly trying 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.440 to come onto her, and she's like, no, I preferred 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.680 if you sit over there. I want to talk about 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.400 that scene because that scene. I don't know if you 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.320 guys have found the controversy surrounding that whole subplot, because 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.800 I was about to say I think that with any 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.120 other character that wasn't as well developed as her, that 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.960 would be very distracting from the main action. But I 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.040 loved that scene because you just want to be like, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.600 how would someone deal with this? I don't know? Right well, uh, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.400 the internet said a lot of people were saying, like, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.640 why you know, this film is so tidy in every 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.280 other way, but this one subplot of mike Yanagita like 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.240 feels like it comes out of left field a little bit, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.520 and it doesn't really give as much to to the 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.680 motor of the plot as like some of the other 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.680 aspects of it, and you know, like why is it 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.440 even in there? You know, what does it do? And 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.320 I disagree. I think that, I mean, I trust Papa 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.360 and Papaco and um trust that they're going to carry 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.800 us on that that sweet good night. They're just such 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.280 competent directors, so I know that they know what they're doing. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.440 But I also, you know, feel like the mike Yanagita character, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.040 everything has a domino effect of her investigations. So she 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.640 gets the phone call from him and then knows that 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.000 he's in the Twin Cities. Then here's that you know, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.360 the people that she's after went to the Twin Cities. Okay, great, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.920 so that gives me a little bit more incentive to go. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.160 Even though on paper you could say that like, oh, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.840 is she you know, thinking about like philandering on norm 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.480 you know, But I don't think it's as complex as that. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.280 I think that she's curious to find out, like, you know, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.440 what this guy's life has been like. Um, But I 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.520 think that also that scene of them at the dinner 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.680 of the Raticon or whatever it is. You know, she 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:08.960 believes his story of his wife right, and then immediately 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.360 he confesses and says that that was a lie. So 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:17.640 that simple oh oh sorry, confess. She finds out later 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:22.720 you're right, friend, but it's not long after. Yeah. But 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.280 that whole process of her believing him and then realizing 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.640 that she was wrong forces her to start to question 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.359 some of her instincts previously, and it actually leads her 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.480 back to William H. Macy's character to question him for 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:39.960 the second it does connect and what do you have 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:44.119 as the brothers? I was a major in film study. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.679 I thought that was interesting because it was interesting to 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.560 watch this movie in the context of this podcast and 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.080 really pay attention to the motivations of the female characters, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.080 because there is sort of like a through line of 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.960 like the idea of women settling for men that don't 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.400 deserve them, Because I feel like Mike implies that when 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.440 they're chilling at the Ratison, He's like, oh, you ended 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.240 up marrying Normson, yeah, And and that makes it sound 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.360 like he thought she could do better. And I mean, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.560 for anyone that's enough to plant to you know, it's 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.520 it's a downer to hear the person married and or 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.800 brainant with someone your respect thinks is like a loser 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.000 or whatever. But she and Norm have such a great 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.320 relationship and it's nice to see her go through that 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.080 whole process of like, no, this is the right thing 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.639 for me and this is what I want. Well, I 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.359 think you're tapping into something actually that I kind of 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.760 picked up in this rewatch of you know, there is 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.560 a moment when you know, she is at the buffet 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.640 with Norm and like one of her colleagues comes over 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.240 and it's like, oh, you're going to the Twin Cities 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.320 A and she's like, yeah, I'm going, and the Norm 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.120 is kind of surprised. Really oh yeah, yeah. So there 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.440 is just a flash of a moment of her sort 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.680 of exploring has she settled? Just a flash of it. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.920 And I think that that's all so a symptom of 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.240 small towns in general, Like if you work in a 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:04.639 small town, if you live in a small town, have 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.399 I settled? Have I really seen my full potential? I 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.920 think that there is a flicker of that that leads 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:15.080 us to that frank meet up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.639 I wish it's so hard not to do it. I 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.360 wish that we had that moment with Jean, because I mean, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.000 I don't know Jeans the other female character of any 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.120 substance in this movie, and we I mean, we don't 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.840 really get to see much of her thoughts other than 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.480 the fact that she's very clearly duped. Uh. Yeah, I wish, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.280 like the one thing that I would have liked to 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.000 have from this movie is at some point after her 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.239 kidnapping that she would get to say something. And I was, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.120 I was bummed. I mean, it was fun to watch 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.480 her like run around like a chicken with her head cup. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:59.440 That's an amazing scene and like tragic, but also likes character. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.120 Good lord, he's so I love how people keep calling 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:09.040 him ugly funny, you know, just but I can't describe 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.600 how yeah exactly has it that in The Big Lebowski, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.680 the reason that everyone's always telling Steve Bushmi's character in 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.160 that film, Donnie to shut the funk up is that 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.240 he doesn't ever shut the funk up in Fargo. So 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.680 that's funny. I think I heard that a while ago. Yeah, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.760 that's hilarious. I thought you were going to be like, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.320 because he's dead and shouldn't be talking. I'm like, oh god. 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.240 Another thing about The Big Lebowski is a similar thing 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.440 happens in The Big Lebowski, doesn't with like the Mike 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.720 Yanagitas subplot and Fargo with the there's just like a 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.240 character that feels tacked on, but you're like, I'm okay 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.560 with this, but like the Jesus character that oh my god, 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:54.880 look oh yeah yeah yeah, John, Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.399 actually been I've heard theories about, like what's that all about. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.760 There's a bar and I think I want to say 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.800 Germany that is like themed. It's called Labowski Bar and 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.119 the I believe drink they served there as white Russian. 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.480 I believe it. Yeah. In Los Angeles, have you guys 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:17.360 heard of Cafe Jack the Titanic one? Yes, And they 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.480 serve like what do they serve? It's like you fried 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:25.359 chicken and weird, like deeply weird American food that is 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.600 not that good but worth it, worth it for the experience, 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.720 and then you go to karaoke afterward. It's a good time. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.360 I very, very unapologetically love the movie Titanic. I hope, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.359 well you do it on this podcast sometime because I 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.720 love it so much. There was my mom the first 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.000 time I saw that movie because I was I wasn't 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.399 all enough to see it when I came out, But 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.679 eventually my mom had the two VHS for Titanic, and 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.800 she tried to convince me the movie it was over 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.600 at the end of the first VHS because the first 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:58.440 half is so fun. At the end, it's saying like, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.359 we hit an iceberg, and she's like, and that's the movie. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.359 Sounds like you're lying to like, yeah, and then that's 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.000 the inciting incident pretty much, but it just happens to 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:12.479 happen two hours. Um. I love the second half of 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.760 the movie. I love the whole movie, but I really, 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.399