Speaker 1: In the season two finale, Lisa throws an over the
Speaker 1: top eighties themed Vita tequila party, but relationships are tested
Speaker 1: when Jenny throws a glass at Mary for being dismissive
Speaker 1: and Meredith confronts Lisa for her actions in Zion. Then
Speaker 1: the group demands Meredith to tell Jen the real reason
Speaker 1: they can't be friends, but Meredith threatens to reveal a
Speaker 1: few secrets of her own. First, Becca Tobin, Jack Vanick,
Speaker 1: and Kelty Knight from the Ladygang podcast join me to
Speaker 1: recap this episode. I am so excited. This is real.
Speaker 1: Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season two, episode twenty one.
Speaker 1: Why can't we be friends?
Speaker 2: Let's go, Bethany, I can't thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I can't either. This is, first of all,
Speaker 1: my first foursome. I've only ever had two people on here,
Speaker 1: and I've never been with the three of you. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited. This is amazing.
Speaker 3: We're very excited.
Speaker 4: Will we will not let you down?
Speaker 1: Yay? I know? Oh my god. Okay, So let's get
Speaker 1: started with your knowledge of the housewives' sphere. I will
Speaker 1: say that it's always a triggering question when people A
Speaker 1: loaded question when press asks me if I watch the Housewives,
Speaker 1: because it seems like I'm hating or shading. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I just I don't watch the Housewives. I watch like crime,
Speaker 1: like crime in some rainy small town where there's someone missing,
Speaker 1: Like that's what I like to watch because I need
Speaker 1: to dig in.
Speaker 4: And I don't like.
Speaker 1: Sort of junk food television because it goes too quickly
Speaker 1: just like yeah, nothing, I don't have anything from it after.
Speaker 1: So I only watch The Housewives now when i'm watching
Speaker 1: for a rewatch a rewives, and I had only seen
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City one. So I want to get your
Speaker 1: fluency in this space.
Speaker 5: I'm going to go first because you are a woman
Speaker 5: after my own heart. I was actually nervous to do
Speaker 5: this podcast because I don't watch The Housewives at all, none, none, none,
Speaker 5: and I am a true crime officionado, So I'm like, wow,
Speaker 5: we're connected right now. But my connection to the Housewives
Speaker 5: is I grew up with Vicky Gunbolson's daughter. She was
Speaker 5: my best friend growing up, so like that is my
Speaker 5: only connection that I have to the Housewives at all.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's amazing, guys. We have to have her back
Speaker 1: on a Vicky Gumbolson's daughter moment episode because they definitely
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Otherwise we would have been watching something,
Speaker 1: but then it would have made you biased anyway.
Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, it's so funny. I grew up with
Speaker 5: her daughter, Brianna was like my best friend growing up.
Speaker 5: So but that's all I have.
Speaker 1: That's so nice. So that's a lot. That's a big,
Speaker 1: big for here, for rewives, that's a big like a
Speaker 1: bomb dropped. And I've always liked her. She did a
Speaker 1: nice job navigating the show, and that's just big news
Speaker 1: to me. Wow. Okay, and Jack.
Speaker 6: Also, we've had like including Bethany, like probably most of
Speaker 6: the important housewives on Lady Gang podcast over the years.
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with the good ones.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yes, it was actually funny when we were When
Speaker 6: I was rewatching this episode of Salt Lake, I was
Speaker 6: like Genie or Jenny or whatever her name was, I
Speaker 6: was like, she would quaymon went. She was never on
Speaker 6: Lady Game podcast. That's what I mean by the important ones.
Speaker 6: When it's a whisper of a podcast, when it's a
Speaker 6: whisper of a housewife, they don't last well. Bethany, I
Speaker 6: was never a Housewives fan until a few years ago.
Speaker 6: Becca was like, you need a stress release, and so
Speaker 6: she got me into it. And so now I am
Speaker 6: a I've watched every episode of Salt Lake I watched
Speaker 6: I watched Beverly Hills, I watched New York. I watch
Speaker 6: a little Potomac and a little Atlanta and I'm about yeah.
Speaker 6: So I'm I'm well versed. But I have a little
Speaker 6: Salt Lake info. Two before Becca goes So when I
Speaker 6: I now work at E News, but I was working
Speaker 6: at entertainment tonight and during COVID. One of the job,
Speaker 6: one of my assignments was to go to Salt Lake
Speaker 6: City and interview the Salt Lake City Housewives before the
Speaker 6: show aired. And they had they had a quarantine for
Speaker 6: like five days in a hotel room before you were
Speaker 6: allowed to see anyone, right, And so I interviewed Genshaw,
Speaker 6: Heather Gay, and Lisa Barlow for a big sit down
Speaker 6: before and I have to tell you I knew something.
Speaker 6: It was up with Genshaw because she came to the
Speaker 6: interview you know how they say.
Speaker 2: Like wealth whispers.
Speaker 6: Yes, she was wearing like a head to toe print
Speaker 6: Gucci denim suit and she brought two furs. There was
Speaker 6: like an arrival fur and then she took it off,
Speaker 6: and then she brought in the assistant brought in a
Speaker 6: second fur to be on camera, and I was like,
Speaker 6: this is going to be a great season and she's
Speaker 6: going to be a great housewife because she's ridiculous. But
Speaker 6: then it all makes sense. We'll talk about that, but anyway,
Speaker 6: we'll know that Housewives.
Speaker 1: Saying I always call it the ABC dfg's like they
Speaker 1: were in the g's, the c's, the H. Every letter
Speaker 1: of the rainbow is the ABC d EFG is the Housewives,
Speaker 1: which you know, I don't think like quote unquote really
Speaker 1: fashionable people are constantly emboldened with letters. But all so,
Speaker 1: I guess it's tea to say that they found a
Speaker 1: lot of counterfeit stuff in her clubs. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now it all makes sense. It all makes sense.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say about the labels because salt Lake
Speaker 3: is just crawling with them. The only housewife in history
Speaker 3: that could get away with the ABC d EFG was Dereet,
Speaker 3: like the only person I think that she kind of
Speaker 3: made a fashion moment with every one of them, and
Speaker 3: the way she styled everything like it was it was.
Speaker 3: It made sense to me, it wasn't as cheesy.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing you're saying, it landed. And also
Speaker 1: I'll say she started it okay, everybody there, she did
Speaker 1: back in front of the camera and the g's and
Speaker 1: the c's and the ABC's. Yes, but she started as
Speaker 1: like a gimmick that she was in on the joke, like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that like dumb and dumber ski person
Speaker 1: who has like that show look going. And then I
Speaker 1: give Erica credit for coming in with all the outlandish
Speaker 1: hair and taking his game to a costume level. I
Speaker 1: give Dory credit for taking it to the next level
Speaker 1: and then making the hair her own thing. But I
Speaker 1: do give Dory credit for what you were saying, like
Speaker 1: he's like outlandish abcdefg's, but they are out landish because
Speaker 1: they do land you're laughing at it. But with her,
Speaker 1: she's in on the joke, like we're getting that she's
Speaker 1: doing something intentional. I agree, I like that.
Speaker 3: And then all she's like Fendi Barbie, like she's sort
Speaker 3: of the whole thing is working.
Speaker 4: She also has a style.
Speaker 5: There's like difference between like Jenshaw putting it on where.
Speaker 2: It just looks like a dumpster.
Speaker 1: Fire and it's not just haphazard.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yes, well she also knows the history, and I
Speaker 6: think that's like when you talk to her, she was like,
Speaker 6: she's like, this is a vintage piece from It's like
Speaker 6: watching Bethany go to TJ Max where you're like, this
Speaker 6: is a good fabric, feel fabric, like you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, Like she's giving.
Speaker 2: Us an education in fact at the same time, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but that of wind Tour would feel that
Speaker 1: if you're buying the whole thing off the window or
Speaker 1: Tom Ford would agree, that's not really fashion. Like letting
Speaker 1: them do the thinking for you and the creative for you,
Speaker 1: that's not really fashion. The history of this sweater, I
Speaker 1: may have worn it on the Housewives in Vermont or something.
Speaker 1: Is that I when I buy something, I buy like
Speaker 1: multiples of it or different iterations, like I'll have like
Speaker 1: a bunch of different aramez clogs and I'll get every color,
Speaker 1: like because I know it's a uniform. So when the
Speaker 1: Gucci uh what's this called like embellished sweaters came out
Speaker 1: like it was like they were making fun of like
Speaker 1: old Christmas sweater jay cruise shutters, but they have this
Speaker 1: or you know, ornate. It's chic, but also some people
Speaker 1: will hate it. But because it's the holidays or from
Speaker 1: going skiing, I always pull them out. And I've had
Speaker 1: them for years, and I bought them at like the
Speaker 1: outlets or like I always got them on some sort
Speaker 1: of deep discount because they're like three thousand dollars sweaters,
Speaker 1: so I've probably gotten them for like six seven hundred,
Speaker 1: which is still a lot, but I've kept them. This
Speaker 1: has been over ten years. So that's the history of
Speaker 1: my Gucci Cashmere winter sweater. I love Bravo, and I
Speaker 1: don't usually like put on cute sort of intentional things
Speaker 1: for this show, but today I had a gang of ladies,
Speaker 1: so I did.
Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't dress that. We also did intentional dressing today. Sweatshirts, babe.
Speaker 2: I'll now dress for my child.
Speaker 3: I have a son that's too and he likes race cars,
Speaker 3: and so I'm wearing this like crazy sweatshirt with race
Speaker 3: cars just because I wanted to come out of the
Speaker 3: room and have him smile at me because he's such
Speaker 3: a dick to me right now because he's too all.
Speaker 1: Have sweatshirts on. You're all doing my daughter's version of
Speaker 1: like hoodie cool.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, holding into our youth, trying to be
Speaker 2: gen z, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and none of us are like we're all at
Speaker 1: the same level. Even though mine's a Gucci sweater, it's still.
Speaker 2: Like doors, We're not at your level.
Speaker 5: We're not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm at anyone's level, but this
Speaker 1: is I'm feeling proud of my holiday sweater. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so let's get into this. So now it's funny. The
Speaker 1: first big scene is Lisa Barlow's tequila party. I'm always
Speaker 1: going to give credit where credit is due, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to say that Lisa has been hawking this tequila
Speaker 1: since before I was hawking Skinny Girl. And I know
Speaker 1: this because I met her at Sun Dance and there
Speaker 1: was this event called Chef Dance where there were all
Speaker 1: these different famous, not really famous, but successful chef important
Speaker 1: chefs that I called to get to come because I
Speaker 1: convinced the owner of this event that I could make
Speaker 1: it bigger and each year, like get good chefs and
Speaker 1: hopefully Liai's of celebrities. I just wanted to have my
Speaker 1: name attached to something, so for free I would come
Speaker 1: and get to go to this dinner every night and
Speaker 1: interact with chefs, and Lisa was like in another room
Speaker 1: and was talking about having a tequila which was very
Speaker 1: advanced then because a she was and on TV it
Speaker 1: was a woman. She had a liquor brand. Like, I
Speaker 1: got to give her the props that she deserves. And
Speaker 1: in a Mormon state.
Speaker 3: She's a hustler. It's confusing to me that she is
Speaker 3: a Mormon who has the liquor brand. But like we
Speaker 3: we touched down on that a lot in the show,
Speaker 3: but we never really get a straight answer, which is
Speaker 3: so mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: Because I thought they were like mormon Ish.
Speaker 6: And then her son, now on future seasons, is on
Speaker 6: his mission and I was like, no, no, that's And
Speaker 6: when I saw John at BRAVOCN he was like, oh,
Speaker 6: on my mission, I went to Las Vegas and I
Speaker 6: was like no, no, no, you're like really Mormon. So the
Speaker 6: tequila brand is getting even more confusing as we unpack.
Speaker 5: And they're all ripping shots, all of them at that party, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: except for I think one person's maybe Jen's husband or something.
Speaker 1: Which by the way, goes into a whole conversation which
Speaker 1: we could do another episode on just religion. Because what
Speaker 1: is there someone with a clipboard that's going to tell
Speaker 1: you if you're really Mormon, like whatever, you're whoever your
Speaker 1: creator or whoever you believe in, you have to have
Speaker 1: the conversation with them. So if she's her God drinks shots,
Speaker 1: then her God drinks shots. It's all a bunch of
Speaker 1: blurred lines in this entire show with this Mormon aspect
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: So Lisa Barlow's creator wants her to be rich.
Speaker 1: Right right, You're choosing your own adventure with religion on
Speaker 1: this show. But I will say there are two things
Speaker 1: about it. So when I came on the show, no
Speaker 1: one was talking about business, no one was marketing. No
Speaker 1: one even thought of it as a platform for that,
Speaker 1: And as a result of the success I had, it
Speaker 1: became a breeding ground for that. The thing is that
Speaker 1: when I came on, there were ten women in this space,
Speaker 1: and to market on the show, you had the eyes
Speaker 1: of millions and you were marketing. Now it's has it
Speaker 1: jumped the shark? Is it still effective? Do you want
Speaker 1: to buy the tequila for real or as sort of
Speaker 1: a joke because you're doing a housewives party? Or has
Speaker 1: it all been drowned out? No pun intended because it's
Speaker 1: tequila commercials on your TV. You just fast forward and
Speaker 1: you don't care what the product is. Do you believe
Speaker 1: any of it now? Are? They're too many products now
Speaker 1: being hawked on these scenes?
Speaker 3: For me, it jumped the shark. Sorry when Lisa Renna
Speaker 3: had the duster jacket coat thing. Do you remember the
Speaker 3: Lisa Renna clothing line for QBC?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: But was it on the ship that would work?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: I feel like QBC, like Watchers, it was like Dirksha.
Speaker 2: They do love it.
Speaker 3: But for me as like as a viewer, I've never
Speaker 3: been I've never run out to buy a product like
Speaker 3: past the days of Skinny Girl, like we would go
Speaker 3: when we were living in New York. We would go
Speaker 3: buy the Skinny Girl margarita to have like a fun night,
Speaker 3: And now like I'll buy sweatshirts that say like send
Speaker 3: it to Darryl as a joke, like a novelty with
Speaker 3: my friends.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a novelty.
Speaker 6: It's also like I think that the Bravo celebrities are
Speaker 6: now there's so many of them. They're broken into the
Speaker 6: categories bethany of like who you like, ABC ly D
Speaker 6: list celebrities in the Bravo universe. So it's like there's
Speaker 6: A listers where you are like, oh wow, I trust
Speaker 6: your style. I would buy a product from you. I
Speaker 6: think it's going to be great quality. And then there's like,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: The lemon drops that ye Shannon storms Badour.
Speaker 6: So I'm not buying health products from Shannon Storm's Badore, like.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, you know, it's like it's the same
Speaker 6: as the regular world where you're like this person is impactful,
Speaker 6: they're the Prada and then there's like, I'm not buying
Speaker 6: you know, Oh my god, what's the girl on Salt
Speaker 6: Lake that's blonde who did the painting with her husband,
Speaker 6: Whitney Whitney Whitney, I'm not buying, like of skin.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the Whitney. You're lovely, Whitney's lovely. Here's here's
Speaker 1: the thing I think that I think that we should do.
Speaker 1: I should do an episode on Housewives Product's graveyard, because
Speaker 1: you know, the A listers, like it's hard for everybody. Listen,
Speaker 1: the Kardashians have had tanning products that have failed, hair
Speaker 1: products that have failed, credit cards that have failed. They're billionaires.
Speaker 1: Housewives Kyle had the store with Alien too. She had
Speaker 1: like a two name clothing line, like and you kind
Speaker 1: of just don't hear about it again. And then I
Speaker 1: don't know where Beverly Beaches is that still? Is that
Speaker 1: a still a beach? Like you know, Gretchen had handbags,
Speaker 1: Charat had she by Charay Sonia sells stuff that I
Speaker 1: think she just gets like they they say from Ali
Speaker 1: Bob and then puts her label on it, which is fine.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of like that's called white labeling. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, it's not that easy to be successful
Speaker 1: in business, and most housewives businesses don't land mm hmm, Sothany.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I told you this on the
Speaker 5: last time we're on the podcast, but when we did
Speaker 5: Lady Gang TV, they tried to hit me with the
Speaker 5: Bethany clause of them because I own a clothing line.
Speaker 4: It's what I'm wearing.
Speaker 5: It's like graphics T shirts and sweatshirts and stuff, and
Speaker 5: they tried to take a big piece of my clothing
Speaker 5: line to do the show, like it was almost an
Speaker 5: on starter and I was like, I've been doing this
Speaker 5: for fifteen years before we started it. It wasn't like something
Speaker 5: I'm trying to start on the show at Hawk and
Speaker 5: then we never talked about it anyways, so it was
Speaker 5: like there. It's funny how they still are trying to
Speaker 5: take a piece of a lot of these businesses that
Speaker 5: probably are going to lose money to begin with.
Speaker 1: What I've come to realize, and I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: I'm right, is it's an insurance policy. They're not auditing
Speaker 1: your business. But if you go and sell for one
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars and you at land On Forbes,
Speaker 1: then they're going to come for it. Then they'll be
Speaker 1: willing to spend the money to get the audit because
Speaker 1: they might have a piece, you know, they're not looking
Speaker 1: into She by Charret, you know, or Teresa Fabolini or
Speaker 1: the Red Velvet Cosmopolitan or whatever. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of housewives businesses, so I think it'd be
Speaker 1: worth looking into because very few succeed even like vander
Speaker 1: Pump's wines. I'm sure they do well because they have
Speaker 1: the distribution of her place, but they're not like blowing
Speaker 1: out in stores and they don't have any kind of
Speaker 1: record numbers. So it's just it's an interesting discussion.
Speaker 2: After Skinny Girl.
Speaker 3: What do you think is the most successful Housewives brand?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's not even a close second to.
Speaker 1: Me, no, because I was thinking Candy herself is successful,
Speaker 1: but restaurants don't make that much money, so that's not
Speaker 1: really I don't is there a brand.
Speaker 6: Probably like the vander Pump bars and stuff like she does, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like the vander Pump hospitality but some have closed
Speaker 1: but that but that's a hard business, like you can't
Speaker 1: catch No one's cashed out big where they're printing money.
Speaker 1: And that woman Diana had the neuro but she came
Speaker 1: in with that. So I can't think of any brand
Speaker 1: that's been like I'm I don't know if that like
Speaker 1: love Boy thing, Lover Boy thing on that other show
Speaker 1: does well. I don't know. He talks up a big game,
Speaker 1: but I haven't heard, and I don't know. I really
Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, probably fit vander Pump and Jason.
Speaker 1: Let me know if you think of something. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because the jen Shaw of this,
Speaker 1: it's just giving, very fraudulent and here she is on
Speaker 1: this season with her clothes and her chanel and her fabulousity.
Speaker 1: And only because we have the infinite wisdom now of
Speaker 1: knowing that she's in jail, do we look back and
Speaker 1: have that, you know, perspective. But most a lot, most
Speaker 1: of the people are fronting and stunting on these shows,
Speaker 1: hoping that their success on the show will catch up
Speaker 1: with what they're showing us.
Speaker 6: H Well, it's crazy because this episode is like the
Speaker 6: one you know she's moving and you're like, I remember,
Speaker 6: this really rocked my world because I started at Saltlake
Speaker 6: was my first, and then I've gone back and watched
Speaker 6: all the other housewives, and so I did not understand
Speaker 6: that much about Housewives at this point.
Speaker 2: And I remember her like moving and downside, and then I.
Speaker 6: Was like, oh, this is like so crazy because if
Speaker 6: you own this big house, like you would have all
Speaker 6: this probably you know, money that you'd put into it
Speaker 6: and you would be getting that back. Why are you
Speaker 6: having to go to this like very different lifestyle, you know?
Speaker 6: And and then the whole thing came out that she'd
Speaker 6: been renting the Shaw Chalet had been She'd had three
Speaker 6: different Shaw Chalets and every season she rented a new
Speaker 6: fabulous house to film the outside and to film Housewives
Speaker 6: in and then had to like move. That's why she
Speaker 6: knew the movers so well, and they were like. She
Speaker 6: was like, hey, Carl, welcome back. Because I guess the
Speaker 6: family moved all the time and she'd never actually owned
Speaker 6: a house. It all makes sense now when you're watching
Speaker 6: this episode. Damn, because I was like, the Shaw chalet
Speaker 6: is that's a that was a massive process.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about we don't know where it is.
Speaker 1: And the houses in Atlanta are like forty minutes from
Speaker 1: the city. So you have fifteen thousand square up at
Speaker 1: house it's one point eight million dollars, and that's why
Speaker 1: it shows differently than four thousand square foot apartment that's
Speaker 1: seven million dollars in New York. And it's hard because
Speaker 1: the audience can't catch up to that. They're just looking
Speaker 1: at size. And that house is probably in the with
Speaker 1: a one million in front of it to buy maybe
Speaker 1: two it's not a five million dollar house in the
Speaker 1: suburbs of you know, wherever they are.
Speaker 6: The whole thing is, if she was that rich, she
Speaker 6: would own that house. Why is she renting that house?
Speaker 6: Because you're right, it's in the suburbs of Utah. It
Speaker 6: is probably two million dollars for the why did she
Speaker 6: own it?
Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't own it, right and also well that's
Speaker 1: all of la live in a nice car and living
Speaker 1: you know, in the red but yes, but she also
Speaker 1: kind of gave away. She's saying we have two million
Speaker 1: dollars in legal fees, which could be a lie. But
Speaker 1: if that's going to break her, then she's not in
Speaker 1: a position to be wearing the luxury goods that she's
Speaker 1: wearing or driving which she's driving. Not that two million
Speaker 1: isn't a lot, but it wouldn't. If I had two
Speaker 1: million dollars in legal bills, I wouldn't be moving. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't break me. But I'm also not wearing abcdfgs all
Speaker 1: day long.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I really would like like to like break
Speaker 3: down the finances. The only person I think that lives
Speaker 3: within their means well, the two people Heather and Whitney
Speaker 3: on this show. It seems like they have pretty modest lifestyles.
Speaker 3: I think they both own their homes and have been
Speaker 3: them for in them for a while. But everyone else,
Speaker 3: like Meredith, I think they found out her house is
Speaker 3: rented as well, that whole big monstrosity that's like just
Speaker 3: sterile with nothing in it. Di is Lisa Barlowe's rented,
Speaker 3: because I think there have been rumblings that hers is
Speaker 3: also rented.
Speaker 2: I don't know the truth. Well, I'm sick of this.
Speaker 2: I want my Housewives filthy.
Speaker 4: Rich, I mean.
Speaker 5: And also it's like these women, you would have thought
Speaker 5: that they have owned houses for a decade or two.
Speaker 1: Land's townhouse on Housewives was a rental fifteen grandmon really,
Speaker 1: and she tried to give it to everybody that renting
Speaker 1: is better. Only the smart, the really rich people, and
Speaker 1: smart people in New York rent like what, I don't
Speaker 1: even know where that that's countess logic, but you should
Speaker 1: know that it's a double edged story. So they would
Speaker 1: never cast me now based on my apartment, and they
Speaker 1: had a hard time casting Leah because of her apartment.
Speaker 1: And the producers did kind of say she kind of
Speaker 1: needed to move because it wasn't looking that great. So
Speaker 1: that's when she made that big move. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's the same thing with the pressure for plastic surgery
Speaker 1: and fix your teeth and fix your hair and fix
Speaker 1: so you know, they really people want to appear rich.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what people really have. And you're right
Speaker 1: that's a whole other episode breaking down like who's really
Speaker 1: got it like that right to the level like I
Speaker 1: can't think even on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: Maybe Kyle now Kyle now.
Speaker 1: They have they have money, but they definitely rolled deep.
Speaker 1: Like I know what a person like Maurice makes and
Speaker 1: it's a lot, but you still he and he owns
Speaker 1: a business, but he hasn't you know, he's not selling
Speaker 1: that business and so he's got overhead and they have
Speaker 1: they have money, and she makes good money. But like
Speaker 1: we're not like that Diana money or like such Diana X.
Speaker 1: Like right, it's like real there's real money and then
Speaker 1: there's you know, door eat and PK money or what
Speaker 1: Eric money was. Again, you thought Erica was flying in
Speaker 1: a plane around the world and their house was dilapidated
Speaker 1: and he had no money because he owed everybody money,
Speaker 1: which I knew, but the audience didn't really care.
Speaker 6: Now, how much money do you This is going to
Speaker 6: be a rich person question for how much money does
Speaker 6: someone need to be making like a year or be
Speaker 6: worth to have like their own jet versus be like
Speaker 6: on the rental plan where like I think some of
Speaker 6: the housewives are like we'll take the jet, but you
Speaker 6: pay like a jets.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, net jets.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So n RP normal rich person, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: non n RP would ever have a plane, Like there's
Speaker 1: just no reason. It's like really for someone who is
Speaker 1: fuck you money, and even like people who have hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars do the NetJets program like they
Speaker 1: just don't want to burn Benji's. So if you just
Speaker 1: want to get up and take your plane down to Florida,
Speaker 1: as a person who owns a plane or even has
Speaker 1: net jets, and you just have hours, it's still costing
Speaker 1: you minimum fifteen to twenty a thousand thousand. Just the
Speaker 1: trip is going to be fifteen to twenty thousand, So
Speaker 1: you have to know that, let's just say, all the
Speaker 1: bells and whistles and the food and everything to go
Speaker 1: to Florida is going to be fifty thousand from New York.
Speaker 1: So I would say a person who has anything less
Speaker 1: than fifty million dollars net like kind of liquid but
Speaker 1: maybe like not like liquid or maybe net worth who's
Speaker 1: over their skis is not doing net jets. You have
Speaker 1: to have fifty million and you're doing and then you're
Speaker 1: doing net jets, like, and that's still you have to
Speaker 1: be conservative, and you're an over your skis person who
Speaker 1: still has an income coming in, you have to be
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and fifty million and above to
Speaker 1: even consider a plane. And that's even still poor for
Speaker 1: a person with a plane. So yeah, none of the
Speaker 1: people on this show of anything more than like six
Speaker 1: million dollars a net five six million dollars net worth,
Speaker 1: and neither same on Housewives, that same thing for New York.
Speaker 3: Well, don't you think that the reason that there aren't
Speaker 3: so many like billionaires wives on this show is because
Speaker 3: they just they're never going to expose themselves like that.
Speaker 3: The reason that they can't get like super super wealthy
Speaker 3: New Yorkers to come on the show is like who,
Speaker 3: they don't need the money, they don't need, like it
Speaker 3: would literally just be to get famous. And I feel
Speaker 3: like that's a strange thing to aspire to if you
Speaker 3: already have like oodles and noodles of money.
Speaker 1: Enter Diana, Enter Kathy Hilton. Kathy's not a billionaire, but
Speaker 1: you're already wealthy, and you're doing this because you're, you know,
Speaker 1: on the back nine of your career in life and
Speaker 1: you want some action for yourself, you want something, and
Speaker 1: then you do it like Diana, and You're like, need
Speaker 1: this fucking aggravation because I'm already rich. Why would I
Speaker 1: poke the bear in the zoo? If you really, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would never. I don't know why
Speaker 1: anyone rich would do this, anyone really rich, nobody really
Speaker 1: rich would do this.
Speaker 4: Okay, So sorry we got off to bick Mormon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, funeral service thoughts.
Speaker 4: Mmm, okay, bleak? That was it was?
Speaker 3: You know, I will say it went on for a
Speaker 3: very long time. It felt like it was a really
Speaker 3: long scene and the tone of it is so non housewives.
Speaker 3: I think they were trying to show us a softer
Speaker 3: side of Heather, show us like the family dynamic or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's sad to say this. He died
Speaker 3: a year before this service as well, so I felt
Speaker 3: like that was a strange thing to do. I was bored.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like it was Carole and Durinda going
Speaker 1: for the ashes or Dourinda going to visit like they
Speaker 1: try to do these meaningful scenes with the audiences and
Speaker 1: wants to get over to the yeah, leg throwing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. It was too long, too boring.
Speaker 3: We didn't we never met the dad on the show.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even something. Even at least with Derinda, her
Speaker 3: dead husband is like another character on the show. He's
Speaker 3: so present that that was more entertaining than this.
Speaker 6: Right, Like, I didn't mind when Lisa Rena's mom died
Speaker 6: and she was going through the trinkets and being like, oh,
Speaker 6: this was mom's thing.
Speaker 2: This was because you were like, you saw mom for
Speaker 2: a bunch of seasons and you liked Lois.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we loved her and we felt like emotional with her.
Speaker 2: You're right, I felt like we were in a laws too.
Speaker 6: But I'm like, Heather's dad allegedly hates everyone hates you.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're there, Like, yes.
Speaker 1: And Deronda's husband is part of her identity on the show.
Speaker 4: Is what you're saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did you guys? Were you picking up that
Speaker 1: this was like a forced produced scene and the reason
Speaker 1: that the mom wasn't there and the reason it was
Speaker 1: so awkward and weird and certain people weren't there because
Speaker 1: they weren't breaking the fourth wall being like these people
Speaker 1: don't want to exploit and film this fake funeral that's
Speaker 1: a year later and strange that production forced for some
Speaker 1: like reality filler on the show is her.
Speaker 5: Has her mom ever been on the show, because I
Speaker 5: think they blurred her face out.
Speaker 4: She never has been.
Speaker 3: I have no relationship because of how they're leaving the church.
Speaker 5: It's like a non Housewives watcher. I felt so uncomfortable
Speaker 5: during that scene because I'm like, this doesn't this isn't
Speaker 5: what I signed up for when I was watching this episode, Like,
Speaker 5: but was.
Speaker 3: It worse than watching Whitney have Love's art sex?
Speaker 1: Because that was the I need to talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're getting We're getting there. Oh I think that the
Speaker 1: net Wait the net, We're getting there. I'm going in order.
Speaker 1: The photo shoot is the next thing with Like, I
Speaker 1: like the inclusivity conversation, not because I'm being twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three and I'm supposed like I actually like the conversation.
Speaker 1: Also in Salt Lake. I'm thinking about that kid growing
Speaker 1: up in Salt Lake and that the show has probably
Speaker 1: been great for that, like awareness, I like the glad
Speaker 1: approach them Like, I'm liking that whole conversation. I just
Speaker 1: think it's a great for the show, and it did
Speaker 1: land to me. I mean, the photoshoot is a little oh,
Speaker 1: you know, forced with the Frother sister thing, but I
Speaker 1: thought it landed. What do you guys think.
Speaker 5: Sexual pose from the brother and sister right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: I kind of like Meredith. I only enjoy Meredith when
Speaker 3: she's with her family, and I like when they show
Speaker 3: her with her family. It seems like she has a
Speaker 3: great relationship with both of her kids. She and Seth
Speaker 3: are in a good place at this point in time,
Speaker 3: and I actually really root for them, and I have
Speaker 3: from the beginning. Even though they took a creepy bathtub
Speaker 3: did the creepy bathtub scene and we were all upset
Speaker 3: by that, But I like it and I liked.
Speaker 2: Her in it.
Speaker 6: I I can't decide if I like Meredith. Like we
Speaker 6: had her own Lady Gang and she was lovely and
Speaker 6: like the first season, I was like, oh good, they
Speaker 6: got like a classy entrepreneury woman and she's dressed cute
Speaker 6: and like and to be honestly, this is pretty early
Speaker 6: in Salt Lake. Like this episode she just gets more
Speaker 6: like she makes no sense, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: And like like this this photo shoot made no sense.
Speaker 6: It definitely felt the same, Like I agree with you, Bethany,
Speaker 6: it was a little try hard. It's a little like, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're gonna do a shoot for the show. Who can
Speaker 6: we bring in to make it a thing? Because the
Speaker 6: other thing about Meredith on the show, and like I listen,
Speaker 6: it's her personal it's their lives, but you sign up
Speaker 6: to be a housewife, and so like we're supposed to
Speaker 6: get access to you is that she does these like
Speaker 6: very stunty things for Glad but like we never, I
Speaker 6: don't know, we never see her have any conversations with
Speaker 6: her son that are like super meaningful and maybe he
Speaker 6: doesn't want to talk about it or whatever, But it
Speaker 6: was like it's it's always been. I don't know, Becka,
Speaker 6: what you think, Like she's always tiptoed around it because
Speaker 6: for the first season he wasn't out and so like
Speaker 6: we were like tiptoeing around it, which I completely understand,
Speaker 6: you're not gonna out someone that doesn't want to be
Speaker 6: at it. But now he's out and he still like
Speaker 6: has never had a conversation with his mom about her
Speaker 6: on camera, but yet she's doing these stunty things.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's her love language like.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think she's her. I feel this
Speaker 3: way about her and a couple other housewives, and like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to think of who they are. But
Speaker 3: anytime I find a housewife who's a little bit doesn't
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense when the drama starts up,
Speaker 3: is contradicting herself, is a little inconsistent. I think that
Speaker 3: those are the women who are a little too normal
Speaker 3: to be on the show and a little too self aware,
Speaker 3: and they're just trying so hard to play the part,
Speaker 3: but they're just like not quite method enough, do you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like she's she doesn't read like
Speaker 3: housewife to me, like eccentric or or wild, wants.
Speaker 1: To be there so badly, and you can see that
Speaker 1: she's trying to create things. And it's funny because why not.
Speaker 1: It was years, This is the truth. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: I took everyone to Mexico. It's the first time I
Speaker 1: heard anyone say storyline. She has no storyline to I
Speaker 1: was talking about Ramona or Sonya or something and having
Speaker 1: no storyline. And I swear on everything I am and
Speaker 1: hope to be, I've never once thought about, like what
Speaker 1: the storyline was there's just always enough going on around me,
Speaker 1: Like right now there's a drama with my my pool,
Speaker 1: my pool guy, this other situation. Like I have stuff
Speaker 1: going on that for some reason or it's the way
Speaker 1: that I relate to it or react to it, Like
Speaker 1: there's always stuff going on because I have a lot.
Speaker 1: I have many businesses and it's real. But when you
Speaker 1: don't have a lot going on, you're manufacturing it and
Speaker 1: there's a lot to fill on this show, and they
Speaker 1: pressure you to have things and like you might be like,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about my pencil project and they'll
Speaker 1: be like eh, and you have to then force Oh,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have us you know, a brother's sister
Speaker 1: glad shoot and I think this is creepy and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, Like that's the that's the bikini like art
Speaker 1: scene coming up. Like that's not something they thought of doing.
Speaker 1: That's something that was suggested to them because we need
Speaker 1: a scene with you and your husband, and like then
Speaker 1: the creative advertising meeting starts to figure out what that
Speaker 1: scene's going to be. That's what those two scenes are.
Speaker 3: Do you think by now they have these buckets when
Speaker 3: they're casting of types of women so I think of you,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you're a really self actualized, aware person,
Speaker 3: but just so happen to be interesting enough that whatever
Speaker 3: you do is dynamic. You can like be making a
Speaker 3: bagel on Instagram and I'm like, I want.
Speaker 2: To watch this for three hours.
Speaker 4: I have no fucking idea why.
Speaker 3: So it's like, even though you're drama with the pool guy,
Speaker 3: like you make it interesting, but if Meredith has drama
Speaker 3: with the pool guy, I don't worry. I do not
Speaker 3: want to watch that. So it's like I think there's
Speaker 3: like the buckets of people who are just interesting to watch.
Speaker 3: Then there's the total lunatics who are so unaware, which
Speaker 3: is like the Ramonas of the world. And then I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, do they have the prototypes they must
Speaker 3: buy now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes, not exactly. There'll be an anchor that's bringing all
Speaker 1: the people together, and then you're trying to fill in
Speaker 1: the blanks and you're trying to surround that. So if
Speaker 1: I launched a brand and then I launched the next brand,
Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of connect to the initial brand.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you have Jill Zarron in there
Speaker 1: and then she's already friends with Well, it's a countess.
Speaker 1: It's just like a brand name label countess. We need
Speaker 1: a countess whatever that means. And you know, and then Ramona,
Speaker 1: you know, brings the party but doesn't kill the drama.
Speaker 1: And there you go. So then Sonya wasn't In the beginning,
Speaker 1: Alex and Simon we thought it was crazy. But I
Speaker 1: get what they're saying, this like group that's not going
Speaker 1: to fit in. They're from Brooklyn, New York is in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to people who live in New York City. And
Speaker 1: back then I was the question. They didn't want me,
Speaker 1: They didn't want me on the show. I like was
Speaker 1: absolutely denied, and Andy Cohen didn't want me. I had
Speaker 1: to be pushed through reluctantly. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it either. But then now years later in other cities,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that might be that's like a She's
Speaker 1: like a Bethany character could fill in different banks based
Speaker 1: on you know what the beginning was. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: so interesting, I want to Pramona's VICKI a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, yes, very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that it moves and flows. And
Speaker 1: then but then the mistake that people make is themselves
Speaker 1: coming in and saying to themselves, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: the Bethany. That's what people come in and say, I've
Speaker 1: heard that from producers, and then you're having a hard
Speaker 1: time on your own, having your own identity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you have too much self awareness that
Speaker 5: you think you're going to play a character and then
Speaker 5: it comes off as disingenuous or like to try hard.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the real problem with Bravo right now is
Speaker 6: that they like, in my opinion, the last couple seasons
Speaker 6: of like OC and like they like Noela. On the OC,
Speaker 6: it was like clearly they were like, we need a young,
Speaker 6: hot girl, a woman of color to be on the show.
Speaker 6: But like she had studied, she went to the she
Speaker 6: grew up in the school of housewives. She knew exactly
Speaker 6: what to wear, she knew exactly what to say. And
Speaker 6: then you're like, I actually hate her because she's not
Speaker 6: even like a real person. She is playing a character
Speaker 6: of a housewife. And it's kind of good because I
Speaker 6: feel like they've gotten on Salt Lake later, they've gotten
Speaker 6: a couple of people like that too, like Angie, she
Speaker 6: wanted to be a housewife so bad, and they cut them,
Speaker 6: which good, well.
Speaker 1: New York is a cast of seasoned, trained, slacked, glossed
Speaker 1: house and they were like training season. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: discuss Whitney and this awkward. My problem is like the
Speaker 1: mic near the crack and thong, like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to start talking about someone's body because anybody's going to
Speaker 1: look a certain way in that light and that just
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it was just her skin color
Speaker 1: with the red and the lack of the microphone upper
Speaker 1: at I don't know. I was just very uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: One scene, they couldn't get a boom operator to hold
Speaker 6: the book mike out.
Speaker 2: They had this poor thought we did to get the spanking.
Speaker 3: You know, by the time he got the spanking, they
Speaker 3: were on a boom thank god.
Speaker 2: Oh they were the mics.
Speaker 1: Were off, I under stand, And it's really him like
Speaker 1: she's you know, she's she's she's the me, like I
Speaker 1: was the prostitute there for the transaction, Like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is he doing part of this?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, he lost his whole career after that?
Speaker 4: What did he do? What did he do?
Speaker 3: That scene?
Speaker 2: That scene, that scene on Housewives?
Speaker 6: That man the company he had worked for for like
Speaker 6: twenty five years and was like a.
Speaker 2: VP of fired him, No way fired him.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: They were like, we don't agree with this. You have
Speaker 6: to pick you can be on the show. Wasn't that
Speaker 6: what it was?
Speaker 3: I don't know if they gave Hill tomatom. I think
Speaker 3: they were just like this is gross and you're fired. Y.
Speaker 1: Like what company did he work for? And what they're
Speaker 1: she's getting paid is so low compared to like and
Speaker 1: I had. I was in a relationship with someone who's
Speaker 1: something similar happened. This was the excuse for it, and
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything like that. But I've talked about this,
Speaker 1: the kids and the husbands that just sign up for
Speaker 1: this and the wife really wants them to do it
Speaker 1: to support them, and then it ruins their career. And
Speaker 1: then he said Greg lost a job because of it.
Speaker 3: Greg, Oh really, yeah?
Speaker 1: I forgot what happened in the beginning, So explain to
Speaker 1: me what his job was.
Speaker 3: I actually have no idea, do you?
Speaker 6: I have no idea what he did, But he was
Speaker 6: like he was the guy and he had I think
Speaker 6: what was heartbreaking is that he is a corporate guy,
Speaker 6: but he had been there for like twenty years, like
Speaker 6: he had been there for a long time, and then
Speaker 6: on seasons after of Salt Lake, you he comes home.
Speaker 6: You see him in the next season come home and
Speaker 6: be like, I lost my job, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe selling her skincare line, Like she's not working, she's
Speaker 6: a stay at home and then she goes back to work,
Speaker 6: and then he's looking for a job and can't get
Speaker 6: a job, and so yeah, it's like really kind of heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: You feel bad for the guy because it was so cringey.
Speaker 6: But you know, I want to to remind Becca and
Speaker 6: Jack and tell you Bethany, when we had our Lady
Speaker 6: Gang TV show on e we had a very similar
Speaker 6: scene which you can't and because I had it sprubbed
Speaker 6: from the internet.
Speaker 1: Because you had Housewives producers producing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yes, but we had a scene where we did some
Speaker 6: topless painting and it was like, you know, at the time,
Speaker 6: you're like, you have your own show and we need
Speaker 6: to push the envelope and the network wants more more,
Speaker 6: like it needs to be louder, and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, wasn't wasn't forced, but it was kind
Speaker 2: of forced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying, we all agree to.
Speaker 6: Do it, and you're like, you think it's going to
Speaker 6: be one way, and you're doing it and we're all friends,
Speaker 6: and so it was like, it's not that awkward for
Speaker 6: us to be doing it, and like we're having a
Speaker 6: good time. And then we saw it later and we're
Speaker 6: like okay. And then when they went to go put
Speaker 6: the shows online, we specifically had it taken out because
Speaker 6: we felt and they did it, which was I thought
Speaker 6: was really cool of e.
Speaker 2: They were like, we totally get it. Well, you are
Speaker 2: allowed to because we were executive producers. We had a
Speaker 2: little bit of like an ask. I mean, not really,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But like I was thinking, in
Speaker 1: what scene of this show, of this entire franchise, is
Speaker 1: the scene not designed to make people look like morons
Speaker 1: where the producers in the moment have told you that
Speaker 1: it's going to be great. So this funeral services to
Speaker 1: make people look at her look stupid. This red outfit
Speaker 1: and this art thing is to make them look like fools.
Speaker 1: The tequila scene, the woman Lisa, You'll never see someone
Speaker 1: nicer to the other people than when it's their own
Speaker 1: party for their own product, because they're panic stricken, wondering
Speaker 1: what's being said, behind there. So hey, you look amazing,
Speaker 1: like it's so beyond if it's your own because you're
Speaker 1: just like trying to cover people in bubble reps. They
Speaker 1: don't say bad things. But nevertheless, Mary said, tequila tastes
Speaker 1: like shit. It tastes like water, and that's a risk
Speaker 1: you take, Like when you have a real brand at
Speaker 1: this level, you can't take these risks with partners like
Speaker 1: Jill Zarren right now has a real you know, branch,
Speaker 1: She's partners with Chris Birch and doing these products. She
Speaker 1: won't take the risk of looking like a moron who
Speaker 1: has shitty product. It's just not worth it. So you know,
Speaker 1: Peloton took a big hit for someone getting a heart
Speaker 1: attack on their bikes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So I was just thinking, like this scene
Speaker 1: is sounds good in the room, and when people say
Speaker 1: you know what you're signing up for, you really don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're signing up for, no.
Speaker 3: Because you're you know, you're auditioning. And for us, it
Speaker 3: was this kind of similar where they're like, we love
Speaker 3: what you guys have, we just want to bring it
Speaker 3: to TV. It's like we love the person you are
Speaker 3: and we love your life, we just want to bring
Speaker 3: it to TV. Then you get this huge opportunity, similar
Speaker 3: to Housewives. You're like, I don't want to blow it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to disappoint anybody. And then suddenly you
Speaker 3: get there and they act like you're not important or
Speaker 3: you're not interesting enough to be authentic. So then you
Speaker 3: do all these crazy You get talked into these weird things,
Speaker 3: and I do feel very sorry for these people. But
Speaker 3: at this point, because of all these conversations being had,
Speaker 3: I hope now people know that.
Speaker 2: You really have to be desperate.
Speaker 3: To be famous or make a little tiny bit of
Speaker 3: money to go on Housewives.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I actually don't think it was I know
Speaker 1: it's been great for Genna Lions and that she's getting
Speaker 1: a lot of media attention, but it's confusing and I
Speaker 1: don't understand who she is or what her brand is,
Speaker 1: because you know, it doesn't seem like who she's presenting
Speaker 1: would be part of this brand. So she's trying to
Speaker 1: bridge that gap. But I think the allure of whoever
Speaker 1: people thought she was being the CEO of this major company,
Speaker 1: it's like lifting the veil. It's like the way Megan
Speaker 1: and Harry seem now to people before it's like, oh, ye,
Speaker 1: does the Emperor have clothes? Like I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that are interesting about this. But you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: they definitely did not have sex during the scene or out,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way there was anything sexual.
Speaker 4: That's they both were probably like this is the most I've.
Speaker 2: Felt more aroused with the funeral than not his art.
Speaker 5: By the way, I bought that Love is Art. I've
Speaker 5: done it Christmas present for Jared the first year that
Speaker 5: we started dating, and it has been five and a
Speaker 5: half years and.
Speaker 4: We have never opened it.
Speaker 2: I've done it, and it's terrible. It's as terrible as
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 1: Well, it's awk, you know. Amy Schumer says it the best,
Speaker 1: like she makes it like being married is like and
Speaker 1: like having sex with your husband is like having sex
Speaker 1: with your best friend, like yep, Like you've been with
Speaker 1: this person so long and you know them, so it's
Speaker 1: like awkward, Like you're like, hey, person, I know, and
Speaker 1: I've talked about everything from kids to parenting to bodily
Speaker 1: functions and poopy diapers. H let's do an interesting sexual activity.
Speaker 1: It's like, ew, who are you you freaking weirdo?
Speaker 2: It's so true, so true.
Speaker 3: You know, we were talking about this on Lady Ding
Speaker 3: podcast that it's actually kind of like a brother too.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's familial. And I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: want like I've I've showing you parts of my body,
Speaker 3: like I've shown you a hemorrhoid before, Like I don't
Speaker 3: need to then do lingerie and weird sex positions with you.
Speaker 1: Right, Like the robotic thing sounds pretty good. Like it's
Speaker 1: like you've a couple of things to do today and
Speaker 1: that's one of those things, and it's gonna be enjoyable
Speaker 1: and it's goal oriented for both people in cases. But
Speaker 1: like we don't need to like make you know, we
Speaker 1: don't need to be like mopping our kitchen with flair.
Speaker 1: Something we're gonna do today and it's gonna be great
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be happy we did it, but we
Speaker 1: don't need to bling it out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I enjoy a flare.
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what's wrong with the painting set
Speaker 6: is that men have such hairy butt cracks and the
Speaker 6: underball area and stuff like listen and in general, like
Speaker 6: man's body hair like a woman covered in paint is
Speaker 6: like it's like Beyonce in the cover album. It's like, listen,
Speaker 6: it's terrible, but it's not so terrible. But a man
Speaker 6: like with their leg hair and where the paint goes
Speaker 6: and like how it collapsed, how it clumps up on
Speaker 6: like different hairs.
Speaker 5: Ew Yes, unattractive unless you're a baby dolphin.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see your finger painted.
Speaker 4: Well, men's bodies are well.
Speaker 1: My fiance is. My fiance is a quarter Japanese and
Speaker 1: he really has doesn't have a lot of hairy He
Speaker 1: has like three hairs on his chest and he would
Speaker 1: be great, amazing. Yes, send it to me, send me
Speaker 1: the one you didn't use some of your used art
Speaker 1: is love No, because I'll say to him, you're hairy,
Speaker 1: is like three hair. He's not a hairy person. I
Speaker 1: love that. But he's not like a dolphin either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of dreaming. Yeah, okay, so it's a cute concept.
Speaker 1: It's made for TV scene not unlike on one of
Speaker 1: these other shows. Somebody got into a pool in a
Speaker 1: full wedding dress I saw while pregnant, like in one
Speaker 1: of these shows. Yes, I forgot which one, maybe Toomac.
Speaker 1: But she was in a pool in a full wedding dress,
Speaker 1: Like you have to push these scenes because they have
Speaker 1: to fill. You need filler, Yeah, you need filler, all right,
Speaker 1: So can we talk about there are always these things
Speaker 1: that housewives do, Like you're trying to sell tequila and
Speaker 1: now you're doing a blinged out bottle because you're doing
Speaker 1: it for free people, but like it makes it less relatable,
Speaker 1: less shippable, not marketing to men at all, women, Like
Speaker 1: it's just not a It's like when Kathy Wakili, who
Speaker 1: I liked, did a red velvet cocktail. You are so limited,
Speaker 1: Like it's just limiting. It's just not a blinging out
Speaker 1: tequila is not necessary as a maybe for a marketed bottle,
Speaker 1: but not for like a mainstream packaging.
Speaker 2: It feels like excess.
Speaker 5: And then two thousand and two, But then also it
Speaker 5: was like the theme of the party did not go
Speaker 5: along with like what she was trying to do at all.
Speaker 5: It's like she's doing this low brow, like nineties sort
Speaker 5: of mall party for this crystal blinked out bottle, Like
Speaker 5: that doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: No, And what about the post that they did that
Speaker 1: weird graphics stuff that looked like, oh, Duran Duran and
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: It was like that all game we played. What was
Speaker 3: the mall board game?
Speaker 2: We played?
Speaker 3: I forget.
Speaker 1: Stranger things like the way that they're in the eighties
Speaker 1: and that like a yeah, there was a movie a
Speaker 1: thousand years ago called Mannequin with Andrew McCarthy and this
Speaker 1: movie was this this graphic It was very did that
Speaker 1: did not land being a thing?
Speaker 4: Don't land No?
Speaker 6: And I remember texting Lisa because I watched it and
Speaker 6: I'm like that bad person that gets your phone number
Speaker 6: and then actually watches the show and text you like
Speaker 6: I can't imagine how annoying that is, but I did it.
Speaker 6: And then I remember being like your party, Like the
Speaker 6: theme was so cute, but they really ruined it with
Speaker 6: these graphics, and like I do that thing where I
Speaker 6: like send people text offensive text messages but think I'm
Speaker 6: like we're in on it together, and like she was like,
Speaker 6: whoa you think?
Speaker 2: And I was like you don't know that. This is
Speaker 2: so like it's too late. What do you want me
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: Don't give me a note that I can't change back.
Speaker 2: It was so ugly and sheep looking.
Speaker 5: I love how she was going like in the beginning
Speaker 5: of the episode, when she was like looking at all
Speaker 5: the things, She's like, I love it, I love it,
Speaker 5: I love it, and I'm like, oh sucks.
Speaker 2: Yes, this sucked.
Speaker 3: The moment that I cringed really hard was when they
Speaker 3: were in the Vita Tequila car driving to the party
Speaker 3: and she's with John and she's like, this car, I'm obsessed.
Speaker 3: I just for some reason, I even hated it.
Speaker 1: It felt loved.
Speaker 2: John felt so fake.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: I think John's so hot. He's attracted.
Speaker 4: Know why you do? Because he's tall.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's like one of the housewife husbands that I think
Speaker 6: is hot.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of the Jackie woman
Speaker 1: on Jersey's Husband, like that type.
Speaker 3: No, oh, similar, yeah, because I find Jackie's husband attractive.
Speaker 1: This woman, Jenny is one of these people that also
Speaker 1: watched Housewives and is like, none of this is working
Speaker 1: for me, So I'm just gonna be the villain. I'm
Speaker 1: going to decide. I'm gonna just like I've seen this
Speaker 1: before where it's really strange. It's almost like sometimes a
Speaker 1: guest of someone a Housewives friend, will do something insane
Speaker 1: because they want to find a way to get in
Speaker 1: on the show. It happens on Jersey, It's happened on Atlanta,
Speaker 1: where you can just see the desperation. This one is
Speaker 1: a housewife who seems like a friend who's trying to
Speaker 1: be a housewife get noticed on the show.
Speaker 5: I even know because it was I think it was
Speaker 5: Whitney and Mary fighting about her culty church.
Speaker 4: Or something like that, and then she just jumps in.
Speaker 5: I obviously didn't watch the season, so I don't know
Speaker 5: what happened previously with this Jenny girl, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, what is happening? I'm like, how is this about you?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 5: And jumping into the other fight that was happening. It
Speaker 5: was very like should you be here?
Speaker 3: No? And I think when you throw a glass on
Speaker 3: a housewives show, unless you've ever thrown a glass at
Speaker 3: someone in your normal life, it is not allowed.
Speaker 1: Like crime.
Speaker 3: Teresa Judici or whatever her last name is now, she's
Speaker 3: flipped eight hundred tables in her life, so when she
Speaker 3: flips a table on the show, I'm like, of course,
Speaker 3: and that's why she's an amazing housewife. Jenny has never
Speaker 3: thrown a glass in anyone in her entire fucking life.
Speaker 1: Right, I actually believe that, and jen Shaw has.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, no, she's she's created has.
Speaker 5: Thrown, wasn't she like I threw, I know how to
Speaker 5: throw a glass? Better thing or something like that.
Speaker 1: A lot further, Yeah, you saw a little bit. She
Speaker 1: was provoking Mary with the Hood conversation. She was trying
Speaker 1: to get something going. You've never seen the Hood in
Speaker 1: your life, like she was trying to get something going.
Speaker 1: I saw here. And Mary's very polarizing too. I've seen her.
Speaker 1: She's reached out to me on social media. That's a
Speaker 1: polarizing character is she's still on the show.
Speaker 3: So she left for a season and everyone was so
Speaker 3: devastated and they missed her. So now on this new
Speaker 3: season she's kind of a friend of but she's refusing
Speaker 3: to really participate. I dislike her very much. Some of
Speaker 3: the things that she has said have been like very
Speaker 3: mean spirited, where she told Heather Gay that she looked inbred,
Speaker 3: and then when Heathergate came back at her and said,
Speaker 3: I'm really hurt, giving her the opportunity to be like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to say that, and
Speaker 3: Mary said, yes, I did say that, and I do
Speaker 3: mean it that you look in bread.
Speaker 1: Those are her moods, right, I've only seen yeah, I've
Speaker 1: only seen two episodes over. But she told somebody she
Speaker 1: smelled like hospital. I think it was jen Shaw or something,
Speaker 1: and she doubled down, So that's I guess she's unfiltered.
Speaker 1: But just saying like her tequila tastes like water like
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't seem necessary. It's not like something
Speaker 1: that affected her. It's just like random shots. I think
Speaker 1: she said to somebody, don't validate yourself in a scene here,
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why someone wouldn't validate themselves. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what she meant. Did you hear that
Speaker 1: she don't validate yourself?
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's very mean, like she well she always hates
Speaker 6: Whitney and she's like you little girl, like she's I
Speaker 6: personally think like enjoy Mary as a housewife to watch
Speaker 6: her because fifty percent of it is, like Becca said,
Speaker 6: like so mean and terrible and you're like ooh no.
Speaker 6: But and then like the other fifty percent of it
Speaker 6: can quite be quite funny at.
Speaker 1: Times, got it okay?
Speaker 6: And like because she's so straightforward and she's like I'm
Speaker 6: not sitting with you, like and she'll just go off
Speaker 6: by herself, like it is kind of funny. And I
Speaker 6: did miss her when she wasn't on the season. But yeah,
Speaker 6: she's not so bananas, like she's her whole world is
Speaker 6: like so weird, and she you know, she's the most
Speaker 6: amazing clothes. She has all these things, but like you
Speaker 6: run a church, like it just doesn't make sense. And
Speaker 6: then she's always like she calls like a head at
Speaker 6: hotels and she's like, do you have the nineteen ninety
Speaker 6: two dom Perion because like the grapes were bigger that season,
Speaker 6: and that's all she'll drink.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is I think that she's two different
Speaker 1: people on the shows. And I like the character that
Speaker 1: was sitting at a table one time and had a
Speaker 1: fight with Crystal, Like she had her hair and a
Speaker 1: ponytail and it was like it was just like a loose,
Speaker 1: like natural ponytail and maybe a scarf around and she
Speaker 1: was feeling awkward at this dinner. I liked her at
Speaker 1: that dinner because she seemed very real. But then you're right,
Speaker 1: she puts on airs and it's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, she's inconsistent.
Speaker 6: You can also tell she's not friends with any of
Speaker 6: these people in real life.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's a very that's a great They're like, oh.
Speaker 2: Mary, it's like Grandma coming to dinner.
Speaker 6: They're like, oh Mary's coming, Like what's new, Mary, haven't
Speaker 6: seen you in five years? Like you know, I kind
Speaker 6: of feel like Mered with Lisa Heather Whitney, like they
Speaker 6: have a group chat that like continues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know each they really know each other. The
Speaker 1: men there. I find this on many of the shows
Speaker 1: when the men are interacting, it's odd to me. It's
Speaker 1: like rare dork bro content that is very cringey, and
Speaker 1: I can never Paul would never be standing like making
Speaker 1: an effort to like do this. Weird happens on Jersey too.
Speaker 3: Jersey. Oh so they're like housewives. The husbands on Jersey
Speaker 3: are pretty much housewives. We see them almost as much.
Speaker 3: And then they have their guide dinners and it's so strange.
Speaker 3: Eight when the men interact, you.
Speaker 1: Mean, I don't love it. The core group I understand,
Speaker 1: like I understand some of the core guys, but then
Speaker 1: when they're trying to like force in one of the
Speaker 1: periphery peripheral non Italian husbands or in this case, like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like these people would ever be
Speaker 1: hanging out. So that's what makes it really strange, like
Speaker 1: some corporate Marriotte Christmas party.
Speaker 6: It's literally as awkward as in real life when you
Speaker 6: take your husband to the party and you're like, you
Speaker 6: don't remember.
Speaker 2: Jim right bye, I'm gonna go be with my friends.
Speaker 6: Like, no one els to see what's happening with Jim
Speaker 6: and Brian in the corner.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's not exciting, it's awkward.
Speaker 2: They're bros. They're all wearing like this.
Speaker 6: They were wearing white socks ten minutes ago before their
Speaker 6: wives were like, you can't wear white socks.
Speaker 2: Are dress pants?
Speaker 6: Like change your socks before we go, you know, Like,
Speaker 6: it's just it's not the fantasy I need to escape
Speaker 6: from my own shitty life. Give me the full fantasy.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see your awkward husbands.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, So speaking of that, the next part is
Speaker 1: about the affairs and Meredith. And it's always great on
Speaker 1: housewives shows when it's twenty twenty hindsight and the housewife
Speaker 1: acts like it was never a problem that we had affairs.
Speaker 1: We had an open marriage, but wasn't it On this
Speaker 1: very show, like something people talked about but wasn't open.
Speaker 1: And that's the nature of this game, like secrets exposed.
Speaker 3: Because they tried to come in. Meredith and Seth tried
Speaker 3: to come in to the show and not exposed that
Speaker 3: they had ever separated, I believe. So they tried to
Speaker 3: come in like this happy couple, I think, and then
Speaker 3: it came out that everyone knew that they were separated.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew she was fucking all these people, like everyone
Speaker 3: on the quote upper East Side of New York. That
Speaker 3: was my favorite quote of the whole episode.
Speaker 2: Everyone on the Upper East Side of New York.
Speaker 3: So, yes, why not, as I think, because she's from
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 2: I don't think she even really lives in Utah.
Speaker 3: It's confusing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't seem like she She doesn't look or
Speaker 1: seem or act like she lives in Utah.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that was a thing where you could
Speaker 6: like fly in, get a property, and be a housewife
Speaker 6: in a city where you weren't a living, breathing person
Speaker 6: from that city.
Speaker 3: Jessel on New York. Allegedly, Jessel is from Dallas and
Speaker 3: she moved to New York to be on the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives Tinsley. Tinsley did too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was living in a hotel, not because she
Speaker 1: was really looking for a place, because she was living
Speaker 1: in Florida and she would have been a great housewife, so.
Speaker 2: She uh that feels like Meredith's story a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, no, it's funny because I was
Speaker 1: talking about doing the show with your former producers. I
Speaker 1: was talking about doing a show in Connecticut that I
Speaker 1: ended up not wanting to do, but I had a
Speaker 1: brief conversation with Lisa Vanna Pump who was kind of
Speaker 1: alluding to the fact that she would be willing to
Speaker 1: consider Connecticut with Ken if there was some opportunity with
Speaker 1: a show or something. So yeah, like people would move
Speaker 1: to be on different shows. We have a rose in
Speaker 1: a thorn of the episode. The episode was fine, It
Speaker 1: was fine. This is is this a good show? I
Speaker 1: think this is pretty good on the housewives spectrum for
Speaker 1: like getting a little bit of meat, like things do happen?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Was this the last episode of the season?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, yeah, that's a shitty finale.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great that what happened, nothing happened. That's
Speaker 1: a ship finale. Okay, yeah, so like that's not a
Speaker 1: good finale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, maybe the producers made Jenny throw that glass.
Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, that is not a great finale like oh
Speaker 1: CE does amazing finales.
Speaker 4: Yeah they do.
Speaker 5: It was like a half It was like a half
Speaker 5: argument that like didn't have an ending, and then like
Speaker 5: a shitty glass throwne and then that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, immediately now we're just we're retoeing that.
Speaker 1: All right. So not a remarkable episode and not a
Speaker 1: remarkable finale. So new show, what else do we need?
Speaker 1: All right? We did it. We laughed and we cried.
Speaker 2: We loved it.
Speaker 6: Bethany, thank you, thank you. You need to come back
Speaker 6: on Lady Gang very soon, I.
Speaker 4: Know, come on in the year.
Speaker 1: And also the way you guys let each other speak
Speaker 1: is admirable.
Speaker 6: We were on our best behavior for you, Bethany, because
Speaker 6: we want to We want you to like us and
Speaker 6: invite us back.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course this is great. So think of
Speaker 1: other episodes you want to Oh we have to do
Speaker 1: one maybe uh with Orange County Brianna Brianna ban Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just said the same thing. Oh see all right, awesome, yay, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for me bye bye bye