WEBVTT - Ep. 366: Big Conching by the Lobster Condo 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.080 bug bitten and in my case, underwear. Listening to Hunt 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.960 E podcast, you can't predict anything presented by First Light, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.680 creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:36.599 technical outerwear. For every hunt, first Light, go farther, stay longer. Hey, everybody, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.560 right off top. You know that here at Meat do 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.559 we take calendars, real serious print calendars. And our second 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.800 ever calendar is available now. So are are do they 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.519 call your freshman effort? Is that what you call it? 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.680 Like your first album when you're rock band? Yeah, it 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.720 sounds very sophomore album is your second one nos debut 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.760 And then so our debut calendar was funked up old 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.639 dear stands and that was so much fun. This year 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.480 we're doing up old tax army. We got a lot 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.360 of it. Kind of went different this year. You can't 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:13.040 really mail a deer stand in no, especially the big 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.440 permanent ones, you know, but this year we how many 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:21.760 did you dig through steth? I think liked or soissions 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.440 We got a lot out of there. But then we 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.480 did something that I thought we should do the whole time. Yeah, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.039 but the suits kept the suits kept trying to prevent 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.600 me from doing it. Well, I kept being like, why 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.600 don't we have the ones that were it's a great 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.319 specimen of fun up old tax army that the photos 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.680 not that great. Have him mail us the item and 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.640 You're like, you can't crate up all that, you can't 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:52.920 create up all that. Well, we're gonna start creating it 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:58.360 all shipping crates of right. You kind of got your 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:03.120 way though, Well, yeah, and no, it's great. It took 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.280 a while, and I had I made a commise. I'm okay, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.079 I'm like, okay, if the word crate is so offensive, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.640 we'll but we'll have stuff that fits in what would 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.880 be called a box. So we had stuff boxed and 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.640 I was like, okay, I'll never say the word crate. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.400 I didn't introduce the word create anyways, someone else introduced 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.440 the word crate woman, and I'm like, we should have 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.120 him sending that s up in the next nit. Now 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.639 they're going to create the boxed some of our favorites. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.600 And Seth like, we have a little We had a 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.040 great beaver. Yeah, the who's for whatever he'son missing his hands, 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.000 He's fucked the whole tax SERVI. He's missing his hands, 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.520 and Seth took him out and set him next to 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.400 a beaver chew tree and photographed him. We have like 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.919 a mink and his natural habitat, but if you look 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.560 at it's like just something not right with that mink 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:55.040 under a bridge right where you catch him. Yep, it's 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.959 a great calendar. Seth did the cover photo. What else 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:59.720 we had a squirrel I'd set up in a tree 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.080 and to picture just where you find them, not sitting 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.040 in some guy's yard. It's a bad squirrel, funked up 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:10.960 old taxidermy in its uh place in nature. Yeah, someone 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.000 would be kind of hard to do. I think it's 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:18.560 our sophomore talent. As things go, a sophomore effort doesn't 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.200 do as well as the debut, no matter how many 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.440 people watched Godfather too right, ain't as much as they 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.000 watch Godfather. I think this one will perform. Oh it'll 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.280 do good. Yeah, it'll do good. I was just setting 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:33.880 that up as a challenge for listeners to feel like 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.680 they should go buy it to prove me wrong. That 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:42.480 might not be effective, maybe not if you. But here's 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.280 the thing, it's more relatable. More people in this world 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.520 owned funked up old taxidermy, then old fund up old deerstand. Yeah. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.040 What I learned going through all those photos is there's 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.960 a lot of fund up old taxidermy in this world. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.520 And just being in bars and whatnot working on this 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.280 project made me like recognize, appreciate it more. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.080 there's a little I wrote a little intro and there's 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.320 a little essay in there about the stuff the material. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.360 So that's available now. Um. As they point out in 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.440 the description, it covers all twelve months, as calendars do. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.440 Covers all twelve months of the year, all three and 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.520 sixty five days. We didn't well, you know a lot 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.000 of your calendars they'll get to late December, they'll peter off. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.599 This one sticks it out to the bitter end, sticks 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.919 it out to the thirty first, just in case you have, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.840 you know, something going on. They get bored and all 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.720 of a sudden, it's like they fade out. You know 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.120 this one, you can stick six with you until New 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:51.400 Year's even calendar funked up old tax during the available 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:56.479 now wonderful photography seth Photography dominates the calendar. Thank you 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.240 dominates the calendar. So I'll check it out now. The 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.080 meat Eater Dot com and I think there's gonna be 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.159 a lot of things like last year we did stuff 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.600 you know, you bought certain like would we ship it 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.120 with certain items and all that. One thing I like 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.000 about the calendar. The last thing I'll say about it 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.920 is last year, if you looked at how many orders 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.560 there were for the calendar, there were more calendars sold 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:21.520 than orders, which means people wanted multiple calendars. Yeah, if 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:29.440 you're buying good, I either steth. Okay, So so take 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.599 a minute and buy that calendar. Uh, we'll wait for you. Okay. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.800 Now that you've got your calendar, I want to point 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.599 out something here we have. If you subscribe to the show, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.840 you know this um, this show releases every week, right 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.160 and then and then you know everyone, every Monday, this 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.920 show releases. You leten do it on Mondays. On Wednesdays, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.520 you get to listen to the trivia show. We're gonna 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.400 do a whole special episode, so it's not in the 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.520 normal Monday cadence. We're doing a whole special drop of 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.679 the Meat Eater podcast. And if you want to get married, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.240 I want to stay married. Any of this kind of stuff, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.440 and you like to hunting fish, you have to listen 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.560 to this podcast because it will be a bunch of 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.400 the people you know from this show in with their 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.920 spouses to talk about. There are particular bits of advice 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.040 or pain points that come from, you know, the lifestyle. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.000 So if you wake up one day and you're wondering 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.920 why you see this mysterious drop of the Meat Eater 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.560 podcast on an unexpected day, that's what that is. Gather 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.280 around your you know, your loved ones, especially if you're 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:39.400 married to one and listening. This gives me occasion to 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.000 quote my favorite quote, which I like to quote at 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.719 least every two weeks on this show, and it's from 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.360 my friend Pat Durkin, who said of his area in Wisconsin, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.200 if you're not a deer hunter, you sleep with one. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.280 And uh yeah, for all those people getting slept with 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:06.000 two and in all right, where are we at? All right? 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.000 I'm gonna set the scene. Here we are. We're in 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.920 the Bahamas, and we're departing from a small island with 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.840 you know, like a few permanent residents and a bunch 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.720 of vacation homes and and things on them, but just 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.400 like a small remote island. We're headed out to go 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.240 do some spear fishing. We're in a like a pretty 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.680 souped up forty ft boats got twin outboards triple what 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.800 am I saying? Triple outboards on it? And we're headed out. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.120 Everything around here is pretty shallow, you know. There's a 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.480 lot of water ranging from you know, three ft deep 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.520 to sixties seventy ft deep in this area, with a 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.800 lot of reefs, um, sandy shallowerias, you know which which 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.640 which flats fishermen will call flats, a lot of those 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.600 around here. But we're gonna be going out into kind 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.520 of that mid depth water and we're gonna be looking 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.920 for were whole hunting for grouper in the reefs. We're 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.480 looking for hog fish um, which I've never gotten before. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.000 We're gonna keep our eyes open for conk so to 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.000 die for conqu's a big salt water snail that lays 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.200 on the bottom, and also checking the ledges and holes 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.560 and whatnot for spiny lobster, so a clawless lobster. And 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.440 what's cool about the Bahamas is you can spear form. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.640 Now you are not allowed to use a spear gun here, 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.520 so we're gonna be using slings, you know, nothing with 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.960 a trigger mechanism. So we're gonna use the thing that 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.040 people who aren't from a Hawaii call a Hawaiian sling, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.840 and people who are from Hawaii will generally call a 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.840 three prong or a poll spear. We're using those. But 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.120 like I said, you can actually shoot lobster with him. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.400 In a lot of places you can only hand grab lobsters, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.000 but you can shoot him here, which makes it easier. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.959 So we're keeping eyes off for all this stuff. And 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.760 there's also a chance of like various plagic fish coming 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.920 through and joined by some people you should be familiar with, Uh, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.200 Kimmy Werner, who I do a lot of stuff with 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.679 and she's been on the show of Mediather, been in 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.880 the podcast before. And Cameron kirk Connell. If that name 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.080 rings the belts, because Cameron told a great story at 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.200 the end of a recent podcast episode which was a 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.000 teaser for our meters camp fire stories. Narrowness is more 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.559 close calls he's the guy that saved his friend's life 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.720 by shooting him. If you want to know what I mean, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:21.480 you gotta go in and listen to that story. There 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:33.679 it goes Steve Man. That water feels good, all right, Cam, Steve, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.800 Kimmy and parent are in the water. I think they 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:47.200 see something. They're still at the surface. Cam just shout 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:53.360 to Steve and said that there are two hugs. It 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:59.360 looks like Jimmy got something sweet. What kind of fish 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.520 is that fish? Can we got a hog fish? Oh? Man, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:12.000 look at that thing Karen's holding. Tell me so, this 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.880 is my very very first hog fish. Apparently she's a 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.959 female and actually missed my first shot, but me and 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.520 both missed. And then I think I'm getting the hang 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.920 of it a little more. Now. Look at how delicious 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.760 and beautiful she looks. You want to describing it? Oh 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.880 my god, it's like this quarrel corn colored, beautiful fish 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.520 with like a spangled face, such an interesting nose, crazy 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.200 shirt tea. And these streamers, these fins that are like 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:48.280 absolute streamers, just like any other fish I've ever seen, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:57.400 so clear. Thank you. Steve's pulling the boat in when 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.040 you come back with conk, have our vessel in it? 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:05.200 Of eight count was very well developed. What do you 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:10.320 call them? Fair? Beautiful? And they were in high current. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.559 That might be one way to explain. Remember how years 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:18.200 were very covered in like a little dirty. These are 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.440 like polished. Man, He's like, get ready for the gift shop. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:27.320 Ready for a key West gift shop shell shop. All right, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:32.240 So we're getting in the water we're at we have uh, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.760 we're being approached by warmer, dirty water, water from the 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.960 flats and the dropping tide. We got a dropping tide 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.920 all day. Unfortunately we're on a bit of a flat 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.600 and were where it drops off. So we're sandwich between 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.840 a like a tideline, an allege, an allege that drops 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.000 from and it's going to force every fish in the 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.559 Bahamas into this little pocket. And what are you hoping 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.720 a spirit there, bunch of fish? Hog? No, a hog 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.680 fill because yesterday yesterday, I well, yeah, I mean you know, yeah, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:08.520 I do, I blew, I blew molten too good to 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.160 give hand me down hand Me's what am I trying 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.880 to say? Give me? I blew two gimmes yesterday layoffs. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.600 So the other thing about this tideline coming is on 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.440 the flats is so much food, shrimp, crabs of stuff. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.960 So as this comes, there's a lot of fish feeding 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.920 on that drop. So we're gonna use the float lines 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.439 here with the poll spears that way, with this a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.520 little bit deeper water. It goes from like thirty five 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.240 to about sixty. We can shoot the plagics that are 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.080 coming by. You should see big yellow jack's here and 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.600 Max and also the bottom fish. Like you can shoot 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.960 those bottom fish and keep pressure on them heading up 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.200 to the surface, because if not, I mean it's it's 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.760 a tough die for anybody, you think, like chasing a fish, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.480 and even a small hog fish wraps around one little 0:12:53.520 --> 0:13:00.360 thing and you're attached to the bottom. Okay, I'm sitting 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:06.720 in the boat with Captain Brandon Um and they're all 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.880 in the water filming, and he's telling you what people, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.400 this is happening, sir. Right now, Cameron's following a big 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:20.240 block right now, I'm assuming just he's swimming faster than 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.400 everybody else, splashing on the surface, which sometimes will cause 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.680 him though shoot off into hole if they feel really threatened. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.040 But right now he's just swimming and most likely swimming 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.959 back to where you get his hole is now. It 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:41.160 might be in fifty water, it might be in water. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.000 He's don't really he's not really showing no signs of 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.319 slowing down. But it like that. See what he's doing now, 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.280 he's trying to see He's just he just dove down. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.720 He's going down to try and chase him into hold, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.560 because the closer you get to them, the more threatened 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.200 they feel, especially after that already started to swim away 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.679 from you. So they're really kind of teaming up. Everyone's 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.600 almost got a roll, right, yes, So like stuff like that, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.120 you want to keep an eye on him. Like if 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.560 one person goes down to try run him, he could 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.720 go in a hole and shoot a totally different direction. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.680 So it's always going to have multiple eyes in the water. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.640 See like how he's coming back towards as now he's 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.280 swimming them in a big circle. He probably doesn't want 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.920 to go. Oh, he's like splashing about. He's causing a 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.520 lot of ripple. And first he was going out towards 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:46.160 the deeper water. Now he's coming back in. He's gonna 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.840 probably keep going around in a circle until they get 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:54.520 there and until he gets tired or he feels safe 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.560 enough in a certain hole. But he's going to go in. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.240 But most of the time they will ah they're going 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.280 the hole, or they'll swimming until you tie it and 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.120 you just give up. That's all that's all they do. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.400 Cam swimming real fast, okay, yeah, real caton mouse. You 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.920 gotta you gotta keep up with that that's the biggest thing. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.120 Because the big group was like that, they could outswume you. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.280 And we're talking how big. I don't know. I could 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.440 be anywhere from what to what a man to be 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.520 all what I would call a big what I call 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:33.480 big as a sixty seventy bond, fifty six seventy bonds, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.480 that's a big one, and you get over seventy that's 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:47.080 a month. We did sprint marathon. We did the fish 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:53.480 equivalent of tracking a bish. That's a lot like shooting 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.360 a tracking him and then he jumps up and he 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.120 runs again and you gotta wait. But in this case 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.160 we have to like sprint, swim for a couple of 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.520 hundred yards between each time rest up, and every time 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:10.560 he went deeper too. It was like fifty sixty back 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.080 into fifty. And every time we went down and had 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.200 a chance, like we had one little thing off for 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.760 one of us spooked him or something, and he'd do 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.840 it again. The more you follow him, the more you 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.160 want someone to shoot him. He gets bigger and bigger. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:29.880 It's real personal. I'm thinking the goods was and for 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.640 me it was so importing to have you guys sprinting 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.960 because I come up from those deeper dives, barely wiped out, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.320 and just like have the assurance I can swim slow, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.920 breathe out, recover, I get ready while you guys are 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.720 checking it. Steve and I were swimming as hard as 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.480 could chasing it, and Kimmy would just like take your dime, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:59.520 come up rolling gaging multiple times, like every one of 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.000 us was like fin deep in the holes. Like I 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.119 don't know how many videos we have of it, but 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.920 at one point you were getting somebody's fish out of 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.679 a hole and I had you by the belt and 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.200 pulled you out because you're so far in there. Yeah, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.920 because I kept trying to back out on my own 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.840 and go up and I wasn't out yet. And finally 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.560 I just felt you talking about like like the hole 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.240 as being like a little like a cave. Like Okay, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.720 basically a lot of the hunting we're doing today, we're 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.080 going down. We're looking at these ledges that look like 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.400 this little ledges. But the minute you get down there, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.440 you can actually something will lure you to creeping further 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.720 and further in, and you can actually get pretty deep 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.879 within those some emergence, you know, the holes the size 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:46.160 of a tent some are like flat and deep. Sorry 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:54.159 on a child. What are you holding, Steve, I'm holding 0:17:54.200 --> 0:18:02.000 two yellow yellow? What yellow? Finn, Drew Ber, what's your 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:06.760 I don't know. Over ten pounds? How long is that? Yeah, 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.600 I mean it's longer than your arm, bigger than your arm? Yeah, 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:14.080 time pound fish can We caught a ginormous huge hog 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:20.359 fish first, one fish. I feel absolutely elated like that 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.360 about the fact that I missed him before you got him. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.639 I mean that I feel like that tarnish dumber made 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.199 him cool because I actually I missed one first and 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.800 then you missed, and so it made me feel better. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.560 But they didn't make the victory that much sweeter for sure. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.040 But man, it's such cool thing. They really are. This 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.879 later looks like an alien. It's cool to have. Like 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:42.879 when you look at all these fish up close, all 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.320 the different details on him, like stuff that you don't 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.000 think about when they're far away, but like all this 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.240 like paint. It looks like he's got painted up on 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.240 his forehead. It's like pink yellow, these little blue lines. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.040 A friend of mine recently pointed out an irony of 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.919 sort of an irony of duck hunting, or he's like 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.879 you don't really get to see what they really look like. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.120 And I really appreciate their beauty till you kill one, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:08.840 you know, and then you get then you get in 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.040 your hands. You're like, holy shit, man, you know that's 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.520 the only way to really really study them hands. And 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.760 that's what that looks worth. They're like colors before they 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.439 all fade away and change. I just can't even believe 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.879 it's cooler we're looking at. Yeah, that's what one sixty 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.399 and it's full to the top. Yeah, welcome to the 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:40.239 fish market, all right, everybody. Uh so join the day 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:45.159 by me of course, mean asshole Kimmy Werner. Huh, but 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.359 that's not a good answer. Touching well listen, man, oh 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:56.200 my god, you yeah, he's real, super sensitive. My wife 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.960 wrote me a mean email. I did see the email. Really, 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.600 she singing an email. It was brutal. She's down on me, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.080 but I appreciate it. But it's just basically because you 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.399 asked Jimmy for her opinion and my wife wrote me 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.920 an me, an email. You know what. I'm still mad 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.479 at my wife. But how she wouldn't change her name 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.719 to my name. But Jimmy was saying when she met 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:23.199 she met Katie just randomly, and Katie introduced herself as 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:28.240 Katie Ronella. Uh. Probably because she knew that we knew 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.280 each other. You knew it would ring a bell. Yeah, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:37.160 that's cute. Uh. Brandon Aubrey first time on the show. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.000 Ye go ahead and say, go and tell people where 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.399 you're from. So I'm I'm from the Obama's what the 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.800 islands called Abacote. It's got a small keys off of 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.359 it called green Turtle Key. That's why I'm OBRIGENNI from. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.760 That's where you're brought up. That's why I was brought up. 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.040 A long line of commercial, long line of commercial fisherman. Yes, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:03.199 got it, my father, my ground thought and Karen and 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:10.320 then parent James, parent James, Yes, sir, here, I am 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:18.040 damn it. Uh So, when I was going through the names, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:24.119 Cameron Kirkconnell might ring a bell to y'all because he's 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.760 kind of long story. I became acquainted with Cameron because 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.040 Cameron was a part of our Campfire Stories audio book 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:39.919 number two and which was Narrow Misss and more close Calls, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.720 and in keeping with tradition, when we came out with 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.399 that audio series, we uh we teased y'all titilated y'all 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:52.280 by playing like one of our favorite joints off it. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.000 You get that reference as they call a song a 0:21:56.160 --> 0:22:01.720 track on on contemporary albums. He called joint one of 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.000 the joints off that One of the joints off that 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:08.239 album was Cameron kirk Connell talking about the time he 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.159 saved his body and you know, and many of you 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.280 have heard this story now time he saved his body 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.359 spear fishing by shooting him in the finn shooting him 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.960 in the flipper what we used to call him we 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.080 were kids. Uh. So we're gonna hear a little more 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.280 because that's like, there's a couple more I want to 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.080 get a couple more questions into him about the back 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.320 story and and this is also in keeping the tradition, Crint, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.280 because with number one, one of our favorite stories, they're 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.960 all great. One of the favorite stories was Sam Lowry's 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.639 story about the sociopathic Elk Poacher, and then he later 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.960 came on the show and gave us a little story. 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.280 So we're in keeping with tradition here. So we're gonna 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.560 hear a little more from Cameron on that and a 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.720 little bit about his career, which is a which is 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.760 a very interesting um knee. She's carved off for himself 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:59.000 and this and this uh global life that he lives. 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.800 But uh companies, we got hit off right off the bat. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:09.119 We're in the Bahamas, do we know? Go ahead, Cameron, 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:13.000 explain where we are. We're in the Bahamas. There you go. Yeah, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.080 that's more exact than saying the Atlantic or Caribbean surrounded 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.760 by a lot of shallow water, which is in proximity 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.080 to some extremely deep water, which makes it a very 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:32.440 verdant environment around here, like a like a life rich environment. Yep. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.200 That that having that shallow water in the proximity to 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.160 deep water, but a large area of connecting shallow water 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.760 creates a a nursery, you know, an ecosystem that you 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:48.439 know can constantly you know, resupply itself. You know, we 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.159 had talked about it kind of on the way over here. Initially, 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.159 you know, as a kid, I thought, I need to 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.399 go to the most remote islands that are out there 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.840 by themselves, because that's got to be the best spot. 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.199 But it's such a finite area of like divable and 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.240 fish double bottom before it drops off to infinity. That's 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.920 a pretty small group of fish that's going to live there. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.560 So come to find out that a lot of these 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:15.400 areas that are just connected for a hundred miles by 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.119 five or ten or twenty ft of water, those are 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.200 by far the best because they just have that gigantic 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.200 area to grow more fish. And you just, you know, 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.080 it's pretty wild to to see, you know, a spot 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.639 like this. You think, holy cow, there's so many people 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.879 coming here. But you're talking to hold up. Yeah, it 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.680 just holds up, you know, Yeah, because I just need 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.320 to keep in tradition and set the scene. You're all 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.679 about the scene. Set people need to know, you know 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.639 where we are. Can I get into our needs now? 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.679 This is a sensitive issue. Speaking to my wife, she 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.680 told me just to drop it, but I can't drop it. Yeah. 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:59.400 We had a fish heist in our office. In our office, 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:03.720 we had a fish heist. We came home with a 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.520 bunch of fish. One of the coolers of fish. It 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.200 was a styrofoam cooler we had like we brought some 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:16.280 soft sided coolers filled our soft sided coolers up in 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:21.040 Louisiana had extra fish. A dude and dude next door 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:29.840 gave us one of them thick styrofoam coolers. Chester. I 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.480 know this for a fact. Chester loaded all that fish 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.480 into the star foam cooler, taped it up, got back 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.000 to the office and went into the freezer by my 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:42.440 office and placed that cooler in the freezer. Had kobia 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.560 had um a thing that I've seen what seems to 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.840 me would be of low interest. Which is which? Which 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:55.680 is my Barracouta flats and had a bunch of snapper flats. Later, 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:59.119 I go to get it with my neighbor, pottery Pat, 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:00.880 and we go down and I'm like, I gotta stop 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.040 in here and grab my fish. A couple of weeks, 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.840 A couple of weeks, A couple of weeks go by. 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:12.439 I go in there. It's like a Sunday. We go 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.960 down there. It's not in there. I go check the 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.240 other freezer, it's not in there. I go check the 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.800 freezer in the lunch room area. It's not in there. 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:27.880 We put out all company, where's the fish? That's stupid. 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:29.800 I'm not on it, but slack I don't use it. 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:36.320 So put out of all companies. I offered twenty reward 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:42.640 another company. My wife's enough already with a stupid fish. 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:48.080 If it was missing electronics, right, if it was missing electronics. 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.000 We wouldn't just wouldn't just sweep it under the rug. 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.280 And it's like if someone took it by accident, someone 0:26:56.320 --> 0:27:00.200 took it by accident accident, yeah, or like there's all 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.359 this free or if I like stuff around, wasn't thinking 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:04.879 and gave it to him, they'd be like, dude, you 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.640 gave me that fish. But it's not true. No one 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:14.440 will come forward. So Steve wants another part of the 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.479 story because then after you put out the all company emails, 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.240 didn't the cooler we found the cooler with the dang 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.720 talon in one of our one of our equipment guys 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:28.640 who manages equipment um and many other things, says, oh, 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.720 I found that cooler with a towel in it. Empty 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.320 cooler with a towel in it in like the cardboard 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:40.000 box area. No one will come forward. So what we're 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.200 trying to find is we're trying to find a polygraph 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.800 examiner who can come into the studio. But in Montana, 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.320 polygraphs are not admissible. We've done a little bit of 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.720 research actually, so it's not like we don't have a 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:56.000 shipload of polygraph examiners running around because polygraph evidence isn't 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.560 admissible in court in Montana, but they use it on 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.840 sex offenders. So we need someone that's got the damn 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.000 polygraph machine knows how to run it. They're gonna come 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.159 into the studio and we're gonna start with Chester and 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.000 work out from there and polygraph exam as part of 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.480 a podcast episode. I'll just say this as a disclaimer. 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.080 It probably is illegal to force our colleagues to take 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.760 a polygraph test. So we're gonna ask them to step 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.280 forward and if they won't do it, and I'd be like, also, 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.520 where's the fish. If someone's like, I'm not doing app 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.359 like they give me the fish bag, Because if you 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.120 won't do it, that's the best way. It's like coming 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.280 to do a polygraph. I'm not doing a polygraph. Then 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.720 you know they're guilty. It's like, what do they do 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.440 with the Baracuda plays? The other way I'm gonna catch them. 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.200 The other way i'm gonna catch him is I'm gonna 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.240 start talking about man, I've never tried barracuda, and someone's 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.440 gonna be like, I'm like, how would you go? And 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.880 then I'll know they stole the fish? Said guys, Stay tuned. 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.880 Part two of the saga, Yeah, you and your machine 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.120 will just come to the office. CRD will fly you 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.360 out with your machine. I don't know, they look like 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.680 it really looks some people up. I'm looking set up. 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.680 I'm hooking Chester up, and I'm just gonna start hooking 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:10.680 random people up from the office. Kylie sent out that 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:17.600 she's my lead suspect because because she's the one that's 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.760 so hot to find the person. It's like us, like 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.520 ston't smelled her first, you know what I mean, she 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:26.680 is truly the last person ever. So, oh, here's the 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.920 other big need. And this is more complicated than Spencer's 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.920 being a pain in my ass right now about it. 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:37.240 We bought that punt gun. We bought a punt gun 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:42.720 at auction for not a small amount of money. Uh, 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.720 to the point where it's like a little bit controversial 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:50.320 in the office. Is the punt gun? Um, what we're 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.520 really having a hard time finding is we're having a 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.960 hard time finding shells for it. Someone that can make 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.920 the shells for it. So I think when we estimated 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.680 it out, it's a it's a Holland and Holland. It's 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.320 an H and H punt gun from the late eighteen hundreds, 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.600 I think we estimated it. They don't go by gauges, 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.760 but it's like a two gauge huge chee. We have 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.600 like one or two casings. We have one or two 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.920 casings for it. There's all this stuff too, like you 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.840 can't use, so we need someone that can load the 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.600 shells for us. We've been checking around with some shell makers, 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.360 but people it seems that people don't really want to 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:34.000 go near it. The guy we bought it from said quote, 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.400 I'm a little hesitant to just forward the info because 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.840 it basically amounts to pack a whole bunch of black 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.440 powder and lead shot and do a really big cartridge 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.240 based on info from a guy in another country that 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.280 you've never met, related to you through two other guys 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:54.520 you've never met. So he goes on, so please check 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.520 into all this all that, he says, But I know 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.800 you guys are professional, so you'll figure it out. To 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:05.520 ounces twenty DRAMs of course black powder, ten ounces a shot, 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:11.440 two mini camera, Yeah, two ounces of course black powder. 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:12.719 And there's something like you got to use like an 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.960 old timey black powder because the integrity the barrel and 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.560 it's ten ounces shot or one point five ounces of 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.200 fifteen DRAMs or or one point five ounces or fifteen 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.920 DRAMs of course black powder and eight ounces a shot 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.959 phil case with powder, measure out shot, fill space between 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.000 powder and shot, making sure no air gap overshot card 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.760 wad to keep shot in place, using scotch tape to 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:44.800 secure primer. It'll be either a thirty eight or thirty 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.680 two pistol blank or you can figure out a way 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.600 to rig a standard shotgun and primer in it. I 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.000 gotta find a way to get him made. Someone out 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.920 there has to have a whole pile of old punt 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.680 gun casing or know someone who does. And well, how 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:07.840 our safety glasses on? Please write us at meat Eater 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.200 at the meat eator dot com. I'm gonna put a 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.480 safety glasses and maybe like a cut and torch thing 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:18.880 on clear you know, you know I'm talking about. That 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.640 was one of the funniest things about the pandemic because 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.360 you know, everybody the face shields. It look like a 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.120 welder that they all said face shield on him. It's like, 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.720 not many products say what you know? I mean, so 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:36.200 a few products say what the product is. It's like, oh, okay, 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:49.840 all right. Those are the two primary needs I want 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.280 to follow up on one quick thing before we get 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.800 back into what we're talking about, is, at one point 0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:01.240 we're discussing scrolled them injuries and I don't know where 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.320 how did you rEFInd this from? You didn't rEFInd this? 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:09.360 The guy emailed me like a couple of days ago. 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.840 We hadn't heard from him since January of That's when 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:18.800 we talked about it on the pod and he yeah, um, 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:23.479 he just he just emailed me back out of the blue. Okay, 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.280 So so I'm gonna revisit what happened, so so damn long. 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:28.880 It was one of the better scroll of him stories 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.720 that came in. He was riding horses down his family 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:37.080 lives in West Texas, UM, but they were down in 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:41.320 the Chiuahuan Desert of Old Mexico. He came across what 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:48.440 he now believes was a rattlesnake, and the horse freaked out. Um. 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.600 He fell off the horse and thought he was okay, 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.680 but then looked. I was surprised to see that one 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:57.160 of his testicles was actually out of it, out of 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:02.320 the scroll, hanging on by its cord. It's like you 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.800 want to talk about freeballing, okay, hanging out of his 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:12.000 jeans and out of the scroll. They had the wherewithal 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.759 to pack it. Ice still hooked to the court kind 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.960 of looked like that conk you're cleaning yesterday. Packed it 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.440 nice and headed for the border, got stopped by federalis. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.680 One of the kids had a air soft pistol spray 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.600 painted black so it looked like a real gun. The 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.200 FEDERALI see this, he says. There's lots of shouting and 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:43.200 waving the guns. Someone notices the scroll, the testicle starts 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:52.080 yelling vominals, fominals and waves of groups. He gets sixteen 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.759 stitches in his leg and twelve stitches. They talked. They 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.719 tucked the nut back in and twelve stitches to the 0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.600 scroll to put it back in there. Doctor said ice 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.480 was the best thing that could have done. Now, he 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:07.600 writes back in, just got to thinking about it, thinking 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:11.719 about it, and he wanted to add some details. He 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.600 wanted us to know that the cord is called the 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:21.120 epididymus unsevered that the medical professional said it was a 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.879 good move that he packed in ice, especially because it's 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.799 so hot and dry down there. The main follow up 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:32.200 possess his uncle worked in a prison for years. His 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.120 uncle said that this is one of the most common 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.399 self inflicted wounds that inmates used to get themselves sent 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.399 to the hospital. It's called a d glove to testicle 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:50.520 and they do it with a sharpened pencil. For what 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:59.320 that's worth. Oh, one other thing we gott get into this. 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.000 This is gonna be put bad after this. The fish 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.799 heightst is just getting started. But this is gonna be 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:10.080 put the bad. Uh. White tailed. So so as everybody 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.360 knows the proper way to say, like the scientifically accepted 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.319 way to say the white tailed deer, the dear we 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.040 all know and love America's dear. If you're ever writing 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.400 a letter to someone, you're supposed to say, you're supposed 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:32.359 to write white dash tailed deer, not white tails. I 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.960 was saying how heffle Finger is stupid for believing this, 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.120 and I also, in that same conversation regular guest heffle 0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.360 Finger also who's set to come on pretty soon. I 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:45.040 also said that he's nipple deep and jaguar stuff. He 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.520 wrote in to say I'm also nipple deep and dear 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:52.680 stuff he's saying. Despite anding I've said, white tailed deer 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.840 isn't an old version, It isn't something from Pat's world. 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.440 It is the official and correct name of that species. 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.560 It is common to use the colloquial form white tail 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.959 or white tails. I use that cont this heffle finger. 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:11.840 I use that constantly to mix it up and not 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.840 sounds so stiff and formal as one does using the 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.799 correct full name all the time. Then he goes on 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.680 to say it is uncommon among knowledgeable people to use 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:31.839 white tailed deer or white tails. Pat goes on, this 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.759 is a group email, calls me a thing that I 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:43.840 can't repeat. On error, he says, you ignorant, it's words 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.480 is not even in my vocabulary. I clearly said that 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.120 white tailed deer is wrong and white tailed deer is right. 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.160 Changing it now on one man's personal preference, long after 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.640 the proper name is established in science and literature, as 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.279 shown in the Deer books. I referenced earlier as a 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:06.359 kin to Fox News calling the Democratic Party it's official name, 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:12.919 the Democrat Party. Okay, back to cleaning bluegills from Pat, 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.680 I'm done, Okay, go ahead, but then we're done. Pat 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.160 used a Saturday Night Live reference and called Steve an 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:27.600 ignorant slut. Okay, because man, when I came back from 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.759 New Zealand, I had a very bad word that got 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.880 into my vocabulary and speaking to my wife again, I 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.120 used it one time who had not go I was like, 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.360 I don't know why you're being sua uh alright, So 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.279 first off, Cameron, I want a little more, like a 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:47.160 little more detail around the story you told about, uh 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:53.320 saving the your friend. First off, explain your professional occupation, 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.600 Like in the story you say like you were in 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:57.760 were out of can't may where you were somewhere in Florida. 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.480 We're on the west coast Flordia, and you were doing 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.840 you were doing tarban guiding. So I worked at the time, 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:05.279 I got a school and started working on ships. That's 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.160 what I went to college for. Him, to the Merchant 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.560 Marine Academy. Yeah, you're you're qualified for anything that floats. Yeah, 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.799 and if it's not floating, we decided I don't want 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.720 anything to do with it. But like you can pilot 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.000 any ship, yes, or drive any whatever the hell you 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:18.480 call it? What do you call it ships? Yeah? So 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.480 I have an unlimited tonnage captain's license basically like trans 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.960 oceanic stuff we're involved in. So, as you've noticed this week, 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.600 I have major fomo you know, for like whatever the 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.480 best thing is going on at the time. So I 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.480 would work for four months at a time and travel 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.360 around the world, um, you know, working on the ships. 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.960 And during that time, I had unlimited resources for charts. 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.359 So I would look at charts like all day long, 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:43.080 and as the places I would go would be like, 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.200 this looks like it would work because it you know, 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.680 they're blah blah blah. So I would just plan the 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.600 places I was gonna be for my four months off 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:54.880 for surfing, fishing, spear fishing, and I just traveled around 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.240 the world, just immersed myself in each of these places. 0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.040 So like a place like the West coast of Florida, Um, 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.319 I had a buddy that was a Tarpen guide there. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.840 He's like, you know, we knew the spear fishing was 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.680 great there. He's like, you know, on our days off, 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.840 we can go, you know, spear fish. I was like, 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.240 all right, I'll come mate for you make two hundred 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.600 bucks a day, you know cash and get to go 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.920 fish for Tarpen every day. So that's when you guys 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.560 were taking you guys were like taking chartering clients to 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.279 fish Tarpen correct and then on a day off. I 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.120 remember like trying to smooth that out, and we were 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.279 editing the the project is uh, you're like you very 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.800 quickly said, I was helping people, You were helping people 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.000 catch tarpen. Yeah. Yeah, So I was working as a mate, 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.080 like on a charter boat there if I do like 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.880 two months at a time with him. But at that 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:46.040 same time, you were merchant marine and doing the ship work, right, 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.319 So that was in you're done with that, now done 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.360 with that. So that was during my four months you 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.640 know vacations, because you usually you worked for four months 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:56.080 and then you had four months off. So I knew that, 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.759 you know, Indonesia was good that time of year. So 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.960 I'd go to Indonesia for two or three months and like, 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:05.279 you know, just basically go as far as I could 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.399 and listen to story after story that was gonna link 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:11.480 me to the next spot to check out, you know, 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.560 and see a picture of a fish in one place 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:14.920 and figure out where that was and go to the 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.279 next one, and just just kind of grew my you know, 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.040 knowledge base, you know, by traveling, traveling and like really 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.399 being there, you know, not going for two or three days, 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.440 but going for months and then coming back again for months. 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.200 And that's how I like you know, really obviously got 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.719 good at what I do now, but um yeah, fell 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.319 in love with with being at the edge of the 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.600 earth all the time, and and hit real quick, I 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.600 know you're you got your like. You do a handful 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.160 of things, but talking about your like, that's sort of 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.120 like guiding into your business. So my core thing was 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.240 about Um, I guess ten or twelve years ago, somebody 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.319 asked me, hey, will you take me spear fishing? I 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.839 was like, sure, okay, um and they said, what are 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.200 you gonna charge? Was like, I don't know because there's 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:01.880 no real spear fishing guide at the time. Long story short. 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.600 Halfway through the first day, he's like, you're really good 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.799 at this. This is what you need to do for work. 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.919 There's a niche for this. It's okay. And he's like, well, 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:12.960 i'll read book you. I want you to find me. 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.960 Uh you know a boat in the Bahamas. Um, take 0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.799 my son and his buddies and you know, do a 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.520 trip with them. I'm like, okay. By the time I 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.640 got home from that trip, he had told too of 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:25.920 his buddies and they called me and from there at man, 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.759 it just blew up. And you know, I always you 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:32.320 can get the boat, operate the boat. Yeah, so we 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.359 take care all the paperwork. Mostly what I do is 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.000 I am hired to go and basically captain other people's boats, 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:44.319 you know, around the world and mate and guide. So 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.960 my core knowledge base is where and when to go 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.080 and the way my mind has always worked. If I'm 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.920 gonna spend my own money to be on the edge 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:56.439 of the earth, I want to be at the best 0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.480 place at the right time and the right moon tied 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.520 everything to have a chance to world record, and that's 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.240 been one of the hardest things for me. Two shift, 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.839 too is expectations for people might not be there, you know, 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.000 like you know, to go and just get enough fish 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.600 for dinner is what we're doing nine nine percent of 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.560 the days. You know. The record thing is such a 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.520 small part of it. But coming to terms with that 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.000 myself has been tough because my drive is so hard, 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.120 like to go and get records, and personally, I think 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.520 I've had fifteen or eighteen records. I've had a bunch, 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:35.280 but I've I've guided clients even if it's their first 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.279 week ever spear fishing, to a total of like I 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.719 think twenty or twenty five. It's been a bunch. So 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.680 Kim and I were talking about this. What I take 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.400 the most pride in now and enjoy the most is 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.759 being able to convey that knowledge to other people to 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.560 get them enjoy you know, what we're doing and enjoy it. 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.160 So now where that's taking my business is I have 0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.920 myself and a couple other guys that work with me, 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.360 and people hire us to take him all over the 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.480 world too, you know, hunt different fish. How do you 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:10.920 get their boats there? Usually I have connections for boats 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.680 in different countries. Um and a lot of guys have 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.560 have the means with these really big, badass boats that 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.759 we can take all over the world. So I've got 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.080 some groups that we've got stuff planned two years out, 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.120 Like we know that we're gonna go to this island 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.920 group in Tahiti this part of the year, and then 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.000 the boat's gonna shift Fiji. Then it's gonna go to 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.600 Tonga and go here, here, and here. So we plan 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.960 like there are tenneries as well, like all over the 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.560 world and they fly in and out. Okay, So now 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.520 let's get on with the guy. The guy who pulled 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.840 the bottle of the bottom. He wasn't near the bottom 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:46.680 of deep thank God, he wouldn't hear the bottom. We're 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:51.200 like eight foot, so that that's what happens to him, 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.040 if I mean his ear drum's gotta be cooked, right, 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:57.799 oh man. So when he came up, like Steve's got 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.000 a kind of blue colored on with a it's a 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.960 meat eator shirt with some muskie or something eating another 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:08.439 fish eating another fish. That color blue on that color 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:10.759 blue on your shirt is what he was, like, his 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.399 whole face and everything. Like when Karin was c sick 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:18.799 the other day, she was pretty green, literally turned green. 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.400 He was. He was even more passed. I didn't know 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.880 he he was blue like for all intensive purposes, I 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.280 thought he was dead. And then he had blood coming 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.120 out of everything. You think how hard it is to 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.239 go to the bottom of your pool without equalizing your 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.000 ears that pressure you feel in your ears, imagine going 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.080 like when I pulled the trigger on him, I I 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.239 think I was in seventy ft or eighty foot by 0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:46.879 the time I got to the surface. By the time 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.560 they started pulling him up. God knows how deep he was, oh, 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.440 because he would have kept sinking that he kept sinking, 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.800 because you figure from the depth I was at, it 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.960 would have taken. He's talk about a guy that passed 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.200 out in the water and just started to sink, and 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.360 you have like the this is the I think you 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.400 get into this too. There's like a reflex I didn't know. 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.319 I don't really know about this. You want to like, 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.120 if you pass out under water, why don't you just 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.720 instantly drown? Right, there's like a like a reflex probably 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.040 the dates back to when you're in your mother's womb 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.319 that you don't breathe. It shuts off, like you just 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.560 don't breathe. Your body is doing everything and it's power 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.680 to survive for you doing some dumb ship move that 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.759 kept it from getting ops oxygen. Basically, it's so weird 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.480 to your body just says, right, take a big old 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:33.280 sucking a big old gold water, so you're your vocal 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.560 courts close and lock down your throat so you're not 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.880 taking any water in and basically you go. You're passed 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.120 out unless you have your snarkle in your mouth exactly. 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.520 So that's one of the reasons we take o. If 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:47.359 you have your snarkle in your mouth, then you pass out. 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.400 It'll actually funnel water straight down your throat and you've drown. Faster, 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.600 you will actually drown instead of it instead of locking up, 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:59.640 it'll just like a straw. Before I did, I had 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:01.319 to learn and later you're supposed to take that thing out. 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.560 We're kids, man, we always kept the right in. There's 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:07.160 a good reason to take you think about it's like whoop. 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.839 You know that that pressure to because you and any 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:11.960 there could be like an air pocket there which you 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.319 think you're gonna sip air, right, and so the your 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.360 body shuts down, you're you know totally, you know out basically, 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.279 and you've got these sensors on your face. So when 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.200 you when you come up to the surface, that's what 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.960 your body is waiting for is to feel air because 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.759 you're the sensors on your face can feel that you're 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:32.520 in the water, and your body is just saying, hey, 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.839 we need to go in total survival mode. We're gonna 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.160 slow down to heart, We're gonna stop breathing, We're gonna 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.680 we're gonna close or track you like we're I'm sorry, 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:44.120 close our our vocal cords, like we're just gonna survive 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.160 as long as we can until we feel air again. 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:51.640 So if you don't feel air, eventually, your body is 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.600 gonna be like, hey man, we're about to run out 0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.760 of all fuel all together. We gotta do a last 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.279 ditch effort, and that's called terminal gap ASP and that 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.919 does eventually happen. Eventually happen. So when you pull someone 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.160 a drowning victim up, who like a who blacked out underwater? 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:09.120 Now who drowned at the surface. So you gotta you 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.520 gotta really differentiate drowning and blackout. They're totally two. You're 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.759 at the surface golden water when you're drowning, correct, So 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.359 a blackout victim is way easier to deal with than 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:23.480 than a drown But that blackout victim will eventually inhale water. Correct. 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.560 And you hear about like little Timmy that fell through 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:29.160 the ice and survived thirty minutes or whatever, age, temperature 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:34.440 of the water, like all the conditions everything determine how 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.919 long before the terminal gas exactly. So like Timmy falls 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.320 through the ice or whatever, it's basically putting him in 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.680 the refrigerator and slowing him down. Her name for the 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.960 episode the terminal gas. Yeah, that's that's about big What 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.560 about Big Conkin? Though, we need to get a bunch 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:57.399 of Timmy might survive thirty minutes, you know, and they 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.760 pull him out, and that's such a common store, Yeah, 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:06.400 Timmy from Minnesota, the ice, uh, but like in warm 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:11.200 water like that, realistically, you've got four or five six 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.799 minutes maybe, you know, and then you're gonna do that 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.719 terminal gap. And when you do that, then you're in 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.120 deep ship because then you've taken a huge mouthful water 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:24.799 and you're you're you're really in deep ship. So our 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.319 goal is obviously get your get ahold of them as 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.640 fast as you can, close their airway, get them safe 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:32.600 for the surface, lay them on the back, get their 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.600 mask off, blow tap and talk. So you blow across 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.319 their cheeks, you tap on their face and you tell 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.680 them breathe, breathe, breathe. And in the I mean ten 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:46.680 people that I've saved and parents been there, four of them. Um, 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.200 almost every one of them has come back with that 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.279 first breath, that first breath across their face. They go 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.440 and take a breath because your body is just like 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.840 waiting for that air. As soon as they feel it, 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.680 it's ready to roll again. And then they're normally like, 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.960 get off me, I'm fine. Yeah. So they have you 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.719 have short term amnesia when you black out, or they're 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.880 crying hysterically, or they're laughing hysterically. You never know what 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.120 the first time I saved someone, he was like I 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:26.719 was also dancing. So this the he came up and 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.279 how was he? Like, we didn't really get into this, 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.800 like what was his sort of litany of health problems 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:37.399 after the fact, So he went into he went in 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.640 intensive care unit for like three days because they were 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.120 worried about he had so much fluid in his lungs 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.239 because the aviola and your lungs or whatever, they just 0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:48.480 burst and like you have all that's what all that 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.520 orange foam is that you had, Like he was spitting 0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:53.760 out and all that. So he had so much fluid 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.480 in his lungs. They were worried about pneumonia, you know, 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.440 secondary drowning, all that kind of stuff. So try to 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.719 they treat the ear problem. I don't even know when 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.520 he's bleeding out his ears. Yeah, ears, I mean I 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.520 want to say I remember him bleeding out of his eyes. 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:12.040 I mean there was blood everywhere. Like if you if 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:13.480 you had a picture of him right when he came 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:15.920 up and be like that guy, there's no way, like 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.440 he's got to have so much stuff going on, but 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:22.600 and he got back in the water after that. Yeah, 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.359 he actually had a samba about a year later when 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.920 we were together and I grabbed him when he was soombing, 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:29.640 you know, that's when he's like close to blacking out. 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:33.359 I was like, Steve, his name is Steve, Steve, don't 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.880 funk with me on this. It's like, don't do this 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:39.879 ever again. You know. And he's an avid diver. Yea, 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:45.320 I told you he's my insurance guy. Yeah, right, what 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:49.200 are the chances of that? Yeah, I like something happened, 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:54.440 you'll understand. Uh so you guys, you guys do a 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.640 little business together. Yeah, yeah, mostly he does business for me. 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:02.279 I guess now, did he come out of that super cautious? 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.800 I think so. I think it was an eye opener. 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:08.719 And honestly, like I've gotten so many messages over the 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.719 years from like the next morning after that happened, I 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.200 just wrote the story down, you know, no filter, just 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.520 exactly how it happened, and um, it was most it 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.480 was mostly like cathartic for me, just to kind of 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.120 get it off my chest because it was so traumatic 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.400 for me. But I can't tell you how many you know, 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.240 dozens and dozens of people's over the years have said 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:33.000 that made me conscious enough to be watching my buddy 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.160 to save their life. You know. Thank you for sharing that, 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.440 because it's such a I don't want to say it's taboo, 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.080 but it's like a ma cheesy, mooth thing that like 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.320 people don't talk about in diving because they're usually embarrassed, 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.680 you know, because like people aren't gonna think that I'm 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.680 that good of a diver or whatever, but like you 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.360 gotta be aware, like that's more dangerous than any shark, 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:58.280 you know, is blacking out your own drive to not survive. Basically, 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:01.239 it's so true. It really, It is something that when 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:06.640 it happens, everyone just kinda keeps quiet, you know, and um, 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:10.360 you don't want to embarrass somebody. But when when that article, 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.719 because what you wrote got published in What You Skin 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:14.839 Diver magazine, And when that came out and I read 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.920 it like it, I was grateful for it, Like it 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.480 definitely made me that much more careful to always like 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.799 watch the person, like even after they come up, because 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.480 sometimes you're so eager to die that you see them 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.480 take a breath and then you go down. But it's 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.600 like you got to actually wait you know, because sometimes 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:35.200 people can come up, breathe even talk and then pass 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:39.000 out what you were recognized by the coast Guard. Yeah, 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.759 so what was that? So the coast Guard met us 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.680 like as soon as we got him up, like I 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.440 was like the Tasmanian devilill run around the boat when 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.560 we got in. Um, you know, cut the anchor on 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:51.439 and get on the radio called coast card blah blah blah. 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.359 So we start running in. We're like sixty miles off shore. 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.040 The coast Guard met us about forty miles out, put 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:00.319 him in the basket in the helicopter and took him in. Um. 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.279 So about six months later I got a call from 0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.640 the Coastguard and you're like, hey, this is you know 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.480 Officer so and so. Um, you know we're doing investigation 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.239 into you know, this thing that happened with Steve off 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.640 shore blah blah blah. And I'm like ship man and 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:15.880 told hi. Us was like, hey man, look I've been 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.480 through a lot with this, Like I didn't do anything wrong. 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.120 They're like no, no, no, no, no, Like it's actually 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.160 a good thing. Um, the Coastguard wants to recognize you 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.960 for uh possibly getting an award. Was like Okay, so 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.360 it did this investigation. Doing a long story short, the 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.360 Coastguard gives out two life saving awards, a silver and 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:38.000 a gold, and the um they awarded me the silver 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.640 life Saving Award, which is the basic premise behind it 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:47.400 is someone that basically completely forgets about their own safety 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:52.560 puts themselves in in total peril to save someone else. Um. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.399 And when they gave me the award, the Admiral Um, 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.439 the head of the Coastguard, was there and I think 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:00.799 you know, all the senators, can or spends and all 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.160 the military people. It was a big deal. Um. He 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.319 told the story, and I mean, it's hard for me 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.120 to tell a story like having it on the audiobook 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:10.560 is the best thing ever for me because I never 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:11.880 have to tell it again. That's what you're saying. Now 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:13.520 you can just people like you can refer people to 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:17.480 the link because it's tough to tell. Um. But you know, 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.200 everybody like started standing up in there and everything. It was. 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.160 It was pretty cool. But he said, in my you know, 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.399 forty years of being in the Coast Guard, I've only 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:29.200 given this award two other times and it was posthumously. Uh, 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:34.040 like the people died saving somebody else. If So it 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:38.680 was the the award that I would least want to 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:40.680 have for the reason I would least want to have it, 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.239 if that makes sense, you know, because it's something you 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.080 never want to do and you could never plan, you know. 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.640 But in all the years of spear fishing with people 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:51.480 around the world and being in remote places, we had 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.759 always said, you know, if you can't get me, or 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.880 you're thinking you can't get me, shoot me, because at 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.239 least you'll be rigidly attached. Because if I'm already gonna die, 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.759 shoot me in the leg, you know, don't shoot me 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:05.920 in the chest from whatever, you know, shoot me in 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.680 the leg. But that was that would have been My 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.000 original goal was to shoot him in the calf, but 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:15.520 he turned. I met a guy just recently who was 0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:22.160 recovering a victim, and he was on tanks and he 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:25.520 dove down to the base of an oil rig found 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.800 the victim. I couldn't get him up, and decided to 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:31.719 drag him over and tie him to the foot of 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.040 the rig so that he wouldn't have to worry about 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.879 trying to find him again later, and then tying the 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.480 guy's body to the foot of the rig. He got 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:43.120 so messed up, he wound up ape, he lost track 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.799 of time, and he wound up one of those decompression 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:52.960 chambers because he had to bomb up to the surface. Yeah, 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:57.760 it's the diving thing. Honestly. I I personally think free diving, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.239 with having been trained for it, is way safer than 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:05.239 the scuba because you can take any person off the 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:09.120 street street, give him a scuba tank it, you know, wherever, 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:11.600 and then go down as deep as they want, because 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:14.520 all they gotta do is breathe, you know. Whereas free diving, 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:18.760 your body is telling you, hey, you need to go up, 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:21.840 you know, like you if if you have that self 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:25.360 preservation gene you know which everybody in this room has 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:27.000 just from spending time with you. You know, we all 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:28.880 want to come home. We know we're gonna be able 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.720 to get fish, but we all want to come home. 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:34.360 There's people that just don't have that synapse in their brain. 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.240 You know, They're they're gonna push it as hard as 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:39.600 they can every time. And parent I call it like 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.480 the the race car driver, you know, thing like if 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.880 they're on a motorcycle, they're gonna pin it every time. 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:49.080 They're gonna go as fast as they can. If in 0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:51.560 the class. They could do a d FT free dive 0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:54.680 every dive. That's how deep they think they can go. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:56.880 And you think about even when we're diving in t 0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:00.600 you know, for the lobsters, it's not every time you 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:03.080 can even you know, spend more than ten seconds down there. 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.720 Sometimes you didn't get to good breath or whatever. Imagine 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:10.920 trying to do that super deep. Here's asking for trouble. Okay, 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.560 back to the Bahamas. I want to I want to 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.320 get into a little bit about like the sort of 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:21.280 regulatory structure in the Bahamas. And the reason I bring 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.840 it up is the only place I've ever been where 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.920 size limits on fish is expressed in pounds. Have you 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:29.919 ever heard of that anywhere? I think in the Mediterranean 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:33.040 they do that. And the boat limit is in pounds 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.080 as well. The other thing to note is for a 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:40.960 Bahamian registered boat with Bahamians on board, the regulations are 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.000 different than for us because we're a foreign flagged vessel. 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.600 Oh there's not at all. Yeah, for them, there's nothing, 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:52.360 none at all, no lot, no size limit for lobsters. 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.520 You still got your size limit, philpsters, your group and 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:57.920 stuff like that. But we can get as much as 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:01.240 we want got it, So give me hit me with 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.640 a couple of these like size things. It's weird because 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:07.720 like a lobster, for for a foreign vessel, a lobster tail, 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:11.200 it's not the lobster, it's how long his tail is. 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:14.840 And that's expressed in regular old inches, so five and 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.440 a half inches, right, So it's five and a half inches, 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:19.760 which for the area that we are, and for the 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.360 number that we're allowed to get, which is ten, you're 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.880 never even gonna come, you know, worry about that because 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:26.640 most of the ones we got were like five pounds. 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.880 I mean they were big. Well I'll point out that 0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:33.360 in my um very juvenile efforts in the Bahamas some 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:35.560 a few years ago, we couldn't find one of the 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:40.480 five half We're like, you know, right out like kind 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.920 of like out in front of where they lived, right 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.680 along Long Island. Couldn't you know, You'd think it looks 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.520 huge and you bring it up like in different areas 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:53.520 of the Bahamas have general different sizes. I don't know 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:55.240 what it is about here and a couple other spots 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:57.880 in the Bahamas, but the access to deep water or 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:00.360 the temperature or whatever, these big giant ones off the 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:03.680 wall and come up in shallow um, but other places 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:05.800 you go, you'll you'll just never find one in all 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.600 your time, you know, looking um, they're all going to 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.439 be those little ones that are just barely legal. So 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.920 you can take them by hand by a hook, which 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:17.920 I think we probably have some video Brandon hooking him. 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.360 What is it called hook hooking? Hook and joke? Hook 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:24.520 and joke? So what's the word hook and joke? Like 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:29.280 a j j Okay, so tell them so like the 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:32.440 bottom when you kill him, that's the joking pot joking, 1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:36.480 hook and joke. Do you use the word joke for 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:40.960 other things or does it just mean like specific to lobsters, 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:47.280 that means stab stop? Okay? So, uh, you can shoot 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:52.160 them with a pulse bear or sling, which the regulations 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:55.840 for underwater hunting here is just something triggerless. You can't 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:59.960 have a way of resting, you know, or how how 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:03.560 of this hit so basically loaded power that you don't 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.160 have to you know, touch or whatever you can like 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:09.400 let go and then shorthand you can't use a spear gun, correct, 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:12.240 You have to use the thing where you like hand, 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.240 your hand is holding it and it's triggered, not triggered, 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:17.720 you release your hand and let it go. There's no 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:21.040 way to store the energy. Right, So for the rest 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.400 of the world, what they call a Hawaiian sling, the 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.840 rest of the world does is a hand spirit what 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.720 we call poll spear, in which Hawaiians call not a 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:34.959 Hawaiian sling three prong or there is a Hawaiian sling, 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.440 it's just a it's a little different. I think that 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:41.840 normally has like a free flying shaft, and so what 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:45.040 we use on this chip we just call it pull spears. 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:46.760 But then it has a three prong on it, then 1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:48.560 we just don't even call it a pul spear, just 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:52.040 call it a three prong, right, And the local go 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.160 to is a true Hawaiian sling, which is basically a 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:58.680 piece of cylinder would with a hole through the middle 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.160 of it and a piece of and tied to it, 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:03.480 and they'll put like a notch in the back of 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:08.480 a spear gun looking spear with no um you know, 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:10.520 rests on it or whatever, and they shoot it like 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:13.520 a bow arrow and it just goes free. So for 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:17.280 most that's used here, that's the traditional way to do it. 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:19.600 That's why I like in those holes where we found 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.600 the grouper, there's multiple shafts in there because you shoot 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.000 a fish and they haul butt with it. We would 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:27.440 never have gotten a yellow jack like if we'd been 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:29.640 using those because they just take off with it. Oh, 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:34.160 so that's what the shafts were. That's all makeing sense now. 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:38.320 And then uh, a little more on regulatory who like 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:42.080 who is the governing regulatory body in the Bahamas for fisheries, 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:49.080 the defense false defense force? That sounds real hardcore and yeah, 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.840 and how would like how often is it that? And 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:55.200 I'm not trying to say this as a way to 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:59.040 promote any kind of like derelict behavior, but how often 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:04.040 do they patrol? Yeah? Well the main places a Nassa, 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:07.800 that's where the base is, but they also send boats 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:10.800 to different islands the station now for a short period 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:15.880 of time, and their patrol these areas. But an avocode 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:22.040 I barely see him. Okay. Another regulatory thing, like we're 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.000 talking about the weight things, so certain grouper need to 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:29.480 be three pounds. It's not an inch thing. So I 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:33.280 think that's the reason that's so tricky is like take 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:35.640 take something that you know what it weighs. Like let's 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:38.640 say you have like a certified three pound weight and 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:42.560 then go grab a whole bunch of scales, right and wait, 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:46.560 a bunch of times you're gonna get two pounds fifty 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.280 ances you're gonna get three pounds two. It's like with 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:52.240 by measuring of fish, it's like it takes out some 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:55.400 level of debate. It's like that fish is blank long. 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:59.240 It just seems like I'm into it. It just seems 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:01.520 like a strange thing to enforce. Yeah, it's a shot 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:03.520 in the dark. And it's weird because that's the only 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:06.520 isn't that the only fish there's actually but they're actually 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:11.800 and um talking about slot sizes nobly it would probably 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:15.480 be a good thing. The other thing is like, so 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:17.680 that's Brandon making that. But the other problem is you 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:22.600 gotta have somebody to enveloce agreed, agreed, and from a foreigner, 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:24.960 you know, coming here and seeing all the dere look 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:28.400 people that do bad stuff here, you know, Um, sadly 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:31.800 it's it's mostly people visiting, you know that don't follow 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:35.840 the regulations. And you know it's unfortunate because there's such 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:39.120 an unbelievable resource here and um, you know, you want 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:40.600 to protect this, you want this to be able to 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.880 you know, keep going for our kids to be able 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:48.240 to do it, obviously, but the the the different regulations 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:51.520 they have are wild. So they've got it's ten lobsters 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:55.440 per boat. For foreign vessel, it's eight conk with a 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:58.840 developed lip lip which we've got in the bucket here 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:01.040 and we'll clean those in a it. Oh yeah. People 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:03.160 get frustrated when we're doing stuff on the show, like 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.760 we had a guy making Clovis points and people are 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:07.880 really annoy because they couldn't see it. This can be 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:09.840 one of those things that really annoys people. Well, video 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:15.160 it to listen to someone clean account it's no. Yeah, 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:17.880 it's a noisy process though, right, kept off film it 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:20.560 and we'll put on Instagram. There we go. So even 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:25.560 for logic's different as well. So it's eighteen is read 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:28.760 Gosh that what I sent you? You read it? So 1:05:28.880 --> 1:05:31.760 I think during COVID they've updated some regulations because they 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:34.200 had some time. Um. But it used to be you're 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:40.440 allowed eighteen polagic fish. It can be a combination of dolphin, wahoo, tuna, um. 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:42.480 And I think that's their main ones are worried about. 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:48.440 There's no billfish landing in the Bahamas unless it's for 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:51.600 a tournament. So for a tournament, they'll say, hey, if 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.200 you get a fish over five pounds or whatever the 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:57.960 size limit is for that specific tournament, they can kill it, 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:01.640 which is a very strange. That's real weird, real weird. 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:04.880 So you asked about swordfish here, Well, that's kind of 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:06.600 like a money talk sort of thing that right, Like 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.400 you're bringing like a massive amount of economic activity down. 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:14.280 But the thing is not many get killed during tournaments. Surprisingly, 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:18.760 which is now fifty and twenty years ago. That's a 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:23.960 different story. It's a lot more bigger maleins in. Sharks 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:27.080 are totally off limits in the Bahamas? Is that true now? Yes, 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:31.120 so it's totally closed. They're not allowed to kill him. 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:33.960 You can catch them, you just gotta release it. And 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:37.320 what about turtles, you're not allowed to kill them? No, 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:42.280 Unfortunately in your lifetime where turtles ever open, they had 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:45.000 a season just like um they used to open and 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:47.880 closed the same time as crossing season. Oh, how long ago, 1:06:50.360 --> 1:06:55.000 like when you're six years ago, seven years ago? Doing 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:59.120 at the most? Yeah, for a commercial market, personal personal 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:03.280 and what ones were you after? Green turtles? And how 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.280 would that go down? It's kind of violent, but I 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:11.800 mean we used to use fifteen foot pole and I 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:13.919 had a pair of grains on the entire to rope 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:17.360 and a gallon bottle and just strike them with it 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:18.920 and they'll take it and run with it and just 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:23.400 pull them back up. Strike them with what pair of grains? 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:26.600 What it is? It's uh you well, like two barbs, 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:31.080 Like they're probably about that why they go in and 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:32.680 they can't come out and you drive it with what 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:39.440 a pole? Yeah? Just straight through the shell? Well, typically 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:41.440 we like to do it down towards the back end, 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:45.840 that little striple just shell, so you don't damage the insides, 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:50.320 the guts and all that. But me's started when I 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:54.120 first started doing it, I got cursed out many times 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:57.240 from my phone. He's sending up shoving it straight through 1:07:57.280 --> 1:08:03.440 the top end bottom, No, because you mess up all insides. 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.560 And he used to eat the bottom pot as well, 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:10.120 like calop that's traditionally in the camant. Can't stand that. 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:12.320 I don't like what is that is that? It's like 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:18.000 a it's like a gelatine. What's the yield on a turtle? 1:08:19.320 --> 1:08:22.120 So a lot of people actually just when they kill turtles, 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:24.479 they just take the two front flippers, that's the biggest. 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:28.760 But when you get turtles. The best size they eat 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:35.280 is anywhere from fifty pounds. Anything above that is it 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:37.960 starts to get a little tougher, Like I've gotten some 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:41.280 hundred and fifty hundred and sixty pounds, and you will 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:44.600 taste the difference the taste of the turtle and the 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:48.200 texture of the main meat is in the front flippers. 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.639 That's where the most is. That's where the most that's 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:54.320 the biggest muscle mass. I noticed that checking them out 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:56.360 when they're just when they decided kicking in high gear. 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.000 The back feet don't do ship. Yeah, they're talking go man, 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:01.360 I had no idea they could go that fast. Oh. 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:04.680 Then things sometimes like when we chase them, if they 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:07.120 don't just stay there on the bottom, we'll have to 1:09:07.200 --> 1:09:10.320 get on playing and chase them around until they come 1:09:10.360 --> 1:09:15.320 on fire. Then you stick them. Man, that's gotta be 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.960 like a good time. That is a very good I 1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:23.800 enjoyed it. They have a lot of guts. Huh. I 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:30.439 heard that cleaning them can be pretty stinky. No, I 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:32.040 mean to me, I'm kind of used it. But yes, 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:35.040 another interesting thing with them, like you know we're used 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:37.640 to like fish blood where you when you shoot a 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:39.280 fish in a hole. You see the blood coming out 1:09:39.360 --> 1:09:41.360 just kind of disperses or whatever looks green even on 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:43.559 the surface of blood kind of comes out. Man, when 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:47.360 you clean the turtle, it's like leshmon blood, it's got 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:50.080 so much oxygen in it. Like I hit one with 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:53.200 the boat accidentally many years ago, and I looked behind me. 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:54.800 I was like, what the hell did I hit like 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:57.599 a red tarp and went back and it was a turtle, 1:09:57.920 --> 1:09:59.400 and I mean it had an area the size of 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:02.080 this room full of blood. And I was like, jeeze, 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:05.439 I was in the US, Like I felt so horrible, 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:07.920 but like, you know, what are you gonna do? Like 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:12.280 they come up and the such a big animal. Man. There. 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.040 One of the most surprising things I have been countered 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:19.840 eating turtles is I was in South America and they were, uh, 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:25.400 preparing turtle eggs. And you know, when you take a 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:30.559 regular chicken egg right and cook it, the yolk solidifies obviously, 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:32.599 it's like the white part or sorry, not the yolk. 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.680 The white solidifies like the yolk does its thing, and 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:38.479 the white does its thing. When you cook turtle eggs, 1:10:39.960 --> 1:10:44.479 the yoke, like the orange part turns into what you'd 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:47.680 imagine it would like a very intense it's like a 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:54.360 it's like a chicken egg times ten intense flavored yolk nous, 1:10:55.120 --> 1:11:00.679 but the white doesn't solidify, so you'd bit out of there. 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:04.880 It was a hard thing to get into. The most 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:07.080 sought out, like a lot of people have died side, 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:09.760 so the most sought after, like when I was a kid, 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:11.960 you know, for getting soft shell turtles, and then you know, 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.040 our family down at the Cayman Islands for the turtles 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:19.160 was the undeveloped eggs still inside of turtle, like when 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:22.559 you ever those ones that are still yellow and they're 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.639 all they're like a pink membrane around him. And those 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:27.360 were the best ones because then you just cook that 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:30.320 whole thing whole, really cooking in a pan, like next 1:11:30.360 --> 1:11:34.920 time you catch like a soft sheller. But I can't remember, 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.040 to be honest, like we only did it when I 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:39.400 was a little kid. No, I can't do all that 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:53.680 speaking almost dying, Krian, I didn't, uh, I didn't know that. 1:11:53.760 --> 1:12:00.320 You're so susceptible, dude to the seasickness. You're like Janice, Really, 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:04.800 he's that bad? Is so bad? We were one time. 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:08.400 Not we're on like a twenty two ft boat was 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.120 so seasick. He didn't realize we were fighting a swordfish, 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:18.439 and there's no like cabin like a boat was steering 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:22.760 wheel in the middle. Came under the realization that we 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:27.360 were fighting a swordfish seasick. So maybe I could have 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.840 been a little bit better prepared. It's been a long 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.000 time since I got in seasick. But growing up, I 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:33.840 was one of those kids on the big yellow school 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:36.160 bus who always was carrying like a brown paper bag 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:40.519 in case I bombed. So, Um, you were green. You 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:44.400 were actually green yesterday. God, I never picture of me. 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:47.080 I would have wanted to see that, but yeah, no, 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:51.040 just day one minus drama. Men. I didn't take anything 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:52.560 for it. I thought it would be great, and I 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:57.720 was fine for for a number of hours. Um, and 1:12:57.840 --> 1:12:59.280 you guys were all in the water and I was 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:02.519 hanging I was brandon on the boat, and at some 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.880 point it just hit me. I think I was maybe 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:07.360 mid sentence with you, and I just was like, excuse me, 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:12.000 gotta go, and nothing, nothing came out. But I went 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:15.320 to yeah, a little bit of a dry heave, and 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:18.479 a went went to the to the pit of the 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:20.840 boat and just kind of like rolled into a little 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:24.200 ball uh and was like that for a while, and 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.519 then I thankfully was able to I got some drama 1:13:27.600 --> 1:13:29.840 mean in me I slept, but then I was still sick. 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:32.160 I probably took the drama mean too late. It was terrible. 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:35.280 I mean, it's it's insane. For anyone who's ever been 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:40.519 seasick before, it's almost like there's nothing worse. You just 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:45.920 totally You're disoriented, everything hurts, you're don't it's just bad. 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:49.559 I was surprised. I'll ask Brandon about this too, because 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:52.599 whenever I'm was someone who's getting sea sick, we tell 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:57.479 not to go down out of sight, but to stay 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:00.479 up and walk, like concentrate on something that's not moving, 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:02.800 like try to look off at the horizon. Didn't work 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:05.479 for me, But you suggested that she go down because 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:10.920 because of the because there was air conditions to keep you. 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:14.600 There was a c it was in the center of 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:18.920 the boat down below, and I was moving less. That 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:23.479 somewhat therapeutic. So it was somewhat therapeutic. And I also 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:25.759 hadn't like slept that much the past couple of days, 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:28.960 but that I was the fact that I was able 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:32.800 to get like just a tiny bit more comfortable and 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:34.920 then you got some drugs in me, and then I 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:37.040 was able to pass out. And then I woke up 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:39.920 hours later and I'm like I have to record them 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:42.120 coming up with this fish. And he's like that that 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:45.920 already happened like four times over. He missed half the day, sweetheart, 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:50.439 and then you got deserted. You got so then I 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:52.519 thought I felt better. When you guys came back on 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:54.559 the boat, I was a little bit better. And then 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:57.080 it happened all over again. I guess that's when I 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.320 turned green again. And uh, and they all they brought 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:04.160 me to a deserted island and left me there like castaway, 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:07.880 a beautiful island. It was beautiful. She had a little 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:13.519 volley what was that little volleyball on castle that they got? 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:15.560 Pack of dogs ever come there? That I was. No 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:18.640 pack of dogs didn't come. They just they left me 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:21.160 to the dogs, guys. But no, as soon as I 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:23.439 was ashore, I mean, that was the whole point, right, 1:15:23.600 --> 1:15:25.560 Like Steve, you were like, you're gonna feel better in 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:28.240 just like five minutes, and it's probably three minutes and 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:32.560 I felt totally normal again. You guys took off and 1:15:32.560 --> 1:15:34.880 I'm like, screw this. I'm not the type of person 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.599 who just like lies down in the sand and sun basee. 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.600 I was like, I'm gonna go hunt. So then I 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:43.240 went and got conk for the first time. So that 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.080 was my first getting conk out of the water. And 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:49.800 you were fine, like you found the proper, proper I mean, 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:51.960 the next couple of days you found the proper little 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:56.000 cocktailer meds yeah, totally yeah, non drowsy drama means, my friend, 1:15:57.800 --> 1:15:59.240 it was great. Yet the rest of the trip, I 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:03.639 had absolutely no problem with zero zero issue, zero issue, 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:06.720 day two, day three, etcetera. You're gonna have a lot 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:11.440 of people writing you, um folk remedies. My neighbor in Alaska, 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:13.960 Ron Layton, here's what he told me. I mean, he 1:16:14.080 --> 1:16:16.600 was like a professional longliner, right, like he's like a 1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:20.800 man of the sea. And he said, there's one way 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:25.080 to cure seasickness. He told me that they made him 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.160 do it when he was a kid. Every time you 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:29.920 start getting seasick, you drink. They make you drink a 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:35.000 big mug of salt water and so you puke. And 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:43.280 he said that's how you cure it. I mean, but 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:45.560 he half the stuff that guy tells me, it's like 1:16:46.120 --> 1:16:48.600 everything he tells me, where he tells me, I'm like, 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:50.800 there's no way that's true. Now ever, sent the things 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.200 he tells me, my initial thing is that can't be true. 1:16:54.200 --> 1:16:57.080 Fifty of the time it is, so now you can't 1:16:57.120 --> 1:16:59.000 ignore I can't ignore anything he tells me because I'm like, 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:03.040 there's a like half half the time he tells me something, 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:06.080 I'm like, it is true. I mean, I can see 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.320 that as kind of like a miserable lead up to 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.320 a lot of relief because if you throw up, you'll 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.599 feel better. But I don't. I mean, with that really 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:17.120 like carrier, then I feel like you'd be on round two. 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:20.960 That cures. That's what he had to do. And that's 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.040 if you're if that's if you want to get serious 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:26.400 about solving your six problem, you had drink big things 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:30.720 of salt. It seems so miserable, dude, when you're like 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:34.000 to be like, I don't know, do drink a picture 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:40.000 of salt water that'll feel great. I'm somehow not convinced, 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:45.560 But okay, um, what is the story with what's the 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:47.599 story with a lot? Like? What? What? What? What y'all 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:52.200 call a lobster condo lobster trap in the States, they 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.040 call it a condo, which is they're illegal. Now they've 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.759 they've outlawed being able to put out artificial structures for lobsters. 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:02.519 There was a big hubbub about it. She was probably 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:06.200 fifteen years ago now in Florida, UM, and they just 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:09.760 did away with it completely. Um. But in the Bahamas, 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:13.800 the commercial lobster guys, you want to talk about dedicated 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:18.960 people to working year round, to making their living. It's 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:22.479 pretty unbelievable. But I'll let Brandon tell kind of how 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:27.040 it's done. So for like lobster, and it's a lot 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:31.160 of money involved in it just to make it. So 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:35.880 you'll buy it's basically roof and tent, but it's treated 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:41.400 with I think it's um galvanized tent a lost long ago. 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:46.320 So what you'll do You get a stock a tent 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:50.559 that comes with a hundred sheets in it. Then you'll 1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:54.840 get some two by sexes cement blocks. Then you need 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:59.160 uh the Cuban rope, the block we call it trap rope. 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:04.400 So you're your blocks dof yes, you're tied it blocks 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:07.680 to the tin. Nail it off then off. That's for 1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:10.720 the setting. Them describe the structure like how you make 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:13.519 a structure like where where the positioning or the wood 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:15.760 and all that stuff. Okay, so the would would be 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:19.920 length wigs of the tent, so to be I think 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:24.240 that's six by three would be the measurement of the 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:27.080 drop when you finished. So you're making you're making an 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:31.320 artificial ledge for lobsters, basically a hole that's the perfect 1:19:31.360 --> 1:19:35.160 height six inches off the bottom and six ft deep 1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:38.280 three ft wide, and you put it out where there 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:41.760 there's no other real structure. Um it can be in 1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:44.000 proximity rocks or whatever, but the majority and they put 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:46.920 up in the grass, so it's not even near where 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:49.720 people are normally gonna go. Look, but the lobsters are 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:51.920 out there feeding in the grass, so like you know, 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:54.320 feeding and they're like, oh yeah, there's a great place 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:58.360 to live, and they stay there. And each lobster boat 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:03.160 will have thousands of these. They'll set thousands of the 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:07.320 big thousands, big commercial boats they set thousands, tens of 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:09.880 thousands waiting matt let Let's imagine like this, some people 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:12.120 can understand. Imagine that you took a sheet apply wood, 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:16.200 and I'm just make it understandable as possible. He took 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.479 a sheet apply would and bolted or nailed a couple 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:21.960 four by fours to it, and set the four by 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:24.960 fours on the bottom of the sea so that the 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:26.840 sheet apply would is sitting how many inches off the 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:30.320 bottom six inches? And then all manners ship can crawl 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:33.280 under that sheet apply wood and fit between the bottom 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:36.920 and the sheet apply would and they just so what 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:41.320 the crawfish does as well. If you ever noticed the traps, 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:44.439 then they more than six inches deep, So what the 1:20:44.479 --> 1:20:46.559 craw fish should do when they go in, they'll dig 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.680 it out. And if you ever noticed in front of 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.200 the traps you see them shells, they eat them. They 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:56.120 dig it out the bottom and eat it, and they 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:59.120 come and go as they So what are called spiny 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:02.639 lobsters you guys called croes. Yeah, it's a claw that's 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:05.160 just folks on. It's a clawless lobster, which has an 1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:08.320 enormous range. I mean they're everywhere. But like Americans, when 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:11.240 Americans visualized lobster, always thinking of the main lobster, the 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:15.960 claude lobster. Uh. And when you set one of those out, 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.000 when you when you were doing this professionally, you set 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:21.040 one of those out, like what kind of volume of 1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:26.240 lobsters would turn up under one of those. So the 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:28.960 most way've ever I would say I've gotten from one 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:34.320 that's about sixty pounds of tails, So that's probably under 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:37.880 one of those. I've seen it sometimes when crawfish move 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:41.360 off at a heavy cold front com I've seen crawlfish 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:43.760 as so many they can't fit under it. They just 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:46.519 stocked all on the outside. When you get there, you 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:48.559 can see the big dog spot on the bottom. It's 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:51.400 so much around it and on top it's like opening 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:54.519 like a condo cabinet in New York City shining a 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:59.960 flashlight and the cockroaches scatter out. So when you notice 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.120 one time when you were going down to check one, 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:04.360 you went down and kind of knocked on it. What 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:07.479 were you doing? So what happens like that's just me 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.320 personally doing it. But if you knock on it to 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:15.960 come today edges and stick to antenna's out interesting taking 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:18.880 and just knock it buying it and you can see 1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:21.160 him they come out, stick to antenna's out a little 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:23.200 bit and you kind of get an assessment what's going 1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:25.519 on in there? Yeah, I thought you were gonna say 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:27.080 it's because of the more it is, Because the more 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:29.400 it will come back. I don't even check for all 1:22:29.479 --> 1:22:34.280 that stuff. So then you went down and you got 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:38.800 your You got a hook basically got three and a 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:42.240 half foot Dowell. So what it is, it's actually uh 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:47.200 Hawaiian sling shaft. I cut it in half. That's six 1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:50.439 ft shaft, so it's three ft long. You take a 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:56.400 paint bush brush roller the handle off of that, use 1:22:56.479 --> 1:23:00.840 that uh brass fitting for it's the al adopter for 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:04.960 you dry gas tanks. You put that on the end 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:08.160 of the spill and you're shopping at top point. Then 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:10.760 how it's got the thread, You could screw it into 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:14.560 the handle of the print brush roller, drop through it, 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:17.200 put a little pin in it. Then you fill the 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:21.240 handle up with fiberglass resent to give it more wait wait, 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:24.160 and also the whole it long ago that the top 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:27.519 piece is just I think it's a ten old fishing hook, 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.280 and just shave the little bed off so they can't 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:34.439 get stuck on it. The barb the barb, and you 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:37.080 screw it on, put a little screw through it, tighten 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:40.000 it down. Then over it you slide a big crimp, 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:46.080 take it to hydraulic press and they press it and 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.880 that's your hook made up compared to what they sell 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:52.640 four hundred dollars. And then you go down and it 1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:55.200 surprised me. I don't know if you just reach none 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:56.599 of their hook in the mouth, but you go out 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:58.800 down and just flip the whole damn thing over while 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:02.519 they go all over the That wasn't intentional. Oh you 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:04.800 weren't trying to do I don't. I don't flip it 1:24:04.880 --> 1:24:07.479 over for that same reason. They just I like the 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.360 lift up. I thought maybe you were showing me what 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:11.080 was going on, or I could tell what you're doing. 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:14.360 So that's not normally. Normally when when we do it, 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:18.240 we have a shot piece of PVC pipe, Okay, we've 1:24:18.280 --> 1:24:20.760 propped one side up on it when you're doing like 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:23.280 industrial grade. So what I'm doing when I was doing 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:26.200 a commercial and just rake out all you could hook 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:28.560 from it down, but I like to rake out a 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:31.720 certain amount. Look through it. See what's big enough, what's 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:34.960 not big enough? Hook whatever, say is big enough? Let 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.479 the raskill go back, rak out some of the next 1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:41.160 side opposite side what you just did, because all the 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:43.640 dust and mud and everything, so you can see on 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:46.280 the side. Just go from side to side, and you 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:49.320 always do when you're doing this commercially, you're doing it 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.519 tankless right with a compressor, or you do do okay, 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:54.680 so you're down there just working away commercially. If you 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:58.200 want to do it on a commercial scale, free divan 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:02.360 is in the way to go. I see that's too much. 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:07.600 And watch up and down because you yeah, and you 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:09.960 hook it, and you take the hook and you're basically 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:14.840 hooking it under his right where his tail meets his head. Oh, which, 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:19.920 what do you call it? Carapist? So it's interesting to note, 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:23.080 like it's even hard to get a video this most 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:25.160 of the time. But when they're hooking him, they're hooking 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:28.479 them there and you hook and then your other hand 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:31.479 is here, Oh my other hands like just sitting to 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:34.360 the side, and I bring it to me, hold it 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:37.559 like this, same time I grab it, I push up. 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:41.920 What I'm trying to say is like when you hook him, 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.679 you're hooking them and they're normal, they're like feet around 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:48.360 the bottom, but you hook him and their tail flips, 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:52.360 they flip upside down and he's catching their tail now 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:56.560 facing towards him, and then in one motion he's joking it, 1:25:57.240 --> 1:25:59.960 killing it right in the center of the carapace. Underknee, 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:03.559 tossing that the side and doing it again. And it's 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:05.439 kind of like if you're holding a fry pan and 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:07.360 you're flipping it. I'm just trying to give the audience 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.439 a visual like you're just kind of like flipping it 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:13.439 towards you pretty much. And it's the efficiency with which 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:17.160 they do it is unbelievable. Like on a I don't 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.040 know how to gauge like how many can be done 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:20.960 in a certain period of time, but saying a in 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:23.479 a in a free dive, in a one minute free dive, 1:26:23.720 --> 1:26:26.120 a free dive like where he was the other day. 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:29.439 If it was just me, I probably could oak six 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:33.080 or seven at a time, and you just kind of 1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:35.680 scared them around on the bottom. I just throw him 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:37.920 out from under the trap. If you kill them, yeah, 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:41.320 I don't lost like when you were stopping to pick 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:43.880 them up. I don't like other people picking oak a 1:26:44.000 --> 1:26:49.840 little track. Then I'll sit up around. I didn't know 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:52.280 what you were doing because I thought you lost him. No, 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:54.559 I kept I always keep accounting. So then I went 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:56.040 and put him in your little pile because I didn't 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:57.639 realize you were putting them there on purpose. I thought 1:26:57.640 --> 1:26:59.960 you dropped it something. I'm just trying to figure it out. 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:01.720 And you do not like what you do that you 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:04.719 can't hear what you're saying. You're underwater something like pieces 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:09.439 together and you guys would sometimes do five hundred pounds 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:14.679 in a day of tails. Tales, just tales. It's working 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:18.280 your ass off. The most I've ever done with my 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:23.920 father was almost eight hundred and one day. That's a 1:27:24.000 --> 1:27:27.120 big like, that's a big day financially, right, that's a 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:32.639 huge day. Depending on the price too. Sometimes little average 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:37.479 normally to start like seven eight dollars aupong, but last 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.000 year was I think it was last year. Last year 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:44.280 was the highest it's been for a very long time. 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:48.559 It started at fourteen and to the end of the season, 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:53.040 I think it ended off like twenty two or how 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:57.280 Now this year it started off as ten dollars. Have 1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:02.879 you done commercial conk isshing? No too much work involved 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.680 For the price of cong what is it? What? What 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:09.040 would be the price of cock? I think it's like 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:13.240 to the wholesale place, what we're setting the two would 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:20.160 be like three dollars a pound, god dollars clean clean, cleaned, 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:27.080 no no shell, nothing, no skin on it, everything cleaned, 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:29.920 it's too much work for the price. You guys will 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:32.200 find out why soon because we're going to clean the 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:36.080 conck on areas. It's not gonna get that from your 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:39.640 normal podcast. But the way this season is going so 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:42.960 far and Abago, my father said he's just gonna set 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:45.519 fish pots. He can make more money really just because 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:49.040 the markets. It's no girlfish. Oh there's none really. The 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:52.920 first day he had he got a hundred and eleven 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:57.320 pounds compared to average of four to five hundred pounds 1:28:57.400 --> 1:28:59.000 the first day. So what do you think makes a 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:02.040 difference from year to you as to whether there's a 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:05.040 good season or not out of season fishing? Really you 1:29:05.120 --> 1:29:08.040 think so? You don't think it's environmental conditions or hurricanes 1:29:08.120 --> 1:29:12.000 or current or any of that. Interesting. Oh yeah, all yeah, 1:29:12.080 --> 1:29:15.559 all summer long. My father said that there's small boats 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:17.720 down neckar official and what the first day is to be. Now, 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:21.320 I'm not gonna stock at a point of patrol, and 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:23.400 I'm not gonna throw any nations under the bus. But 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:28.280 there's a lot of other nations that are historically blamed 1:29:28.720 --> 1:29:33.080 here for invading Bohemian waters. And there is a which 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:36.320 is true hatred, I mean a solid hatred for good 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:39.280 reason for them coming and stealing the resource because they 1:29:39.360 --> 1:29:42.080 kill everything. They kill everything. They go out there and 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:48.160 dive on compressors in two of water because there's just 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:51.439 not the enforcement for it. And it's interesting because the 1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:55.759 from from my understanding of the Behaming Devins Force and whatever, 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:58.639 they do have a fair number of boats. The problem 1:29:58.680 --> 1:30:00.880 is they don't have the funding for like fuel, so 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:02.800 like we're always asking like, what where the hell are 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:04.840 you guys at the dock, Like we don't have any 1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:07.960 money for fuel to go out and actually patrol, because 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:10.600 you think in one day they could go and confiscate 1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:13.400 all the boats they would ever need for patrolling, you know, 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:15.519 because there's all these big old boats coming over from 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:19.040 all over that don't have I have not checked into 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:21.960 the US or whatever, because you gotta check in and 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:25.600 do customs in immigration, pay your your um you know, 1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:28.240 entry fees, and get your licenses before you can go 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:31.599 and do anything. You're not allowed to take anything until 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:34.479 you've landed in the Bahamas and done that. And people 1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:36.639 do day trips that come over here and they hammer 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:40.559 the place and they run back so famous pla man. 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:44.920 It's it's really unfortunate coming from Miami. Yeah, there's just 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:46.840 not enforcement. They just don't have the money for fuel. 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:50.360 It's not allocated for it, unfortunately. And hopefully that changes 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:52.840 here in the next ten years as they you know, 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:58.519 just make it better. Let's talk about whole hunting for 1:30:58.600 --> 1:31:02.200 a minute. We've covered various aspects of of of spear fishing, 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:04.200 but we haven't talked about whole hunting for big grouper. 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:11.280 It would be I could see how someone would look 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:15.599 and think that it was like naughty because someone made 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:20.760 the comment about shooting fish in a barrel. Explain the 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:27.639 basic like why are the rules different underwater in what way? Explain? 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:31.360 How explain how you go a whole hunting for grouper um, 1:31:32.280 --> 1:31:34.200 So a grouper and most of these reef fish that 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:36.680 we're hunting there on the reef, so somewhere is going 1:31:36.760 --> 1:31:40.160 to be there at home, and they live in holes. 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:42.920 They live in hole, so you're eventually gonna go in 1:31:42.960 --> 1:31:44.960 a hole. So like as kids and growing up, and 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:47.760 I mean honestly, until about fifteen years ago, I'd never 1:31:47.920 --> 1:31:51.439 really used a light except for lobsters. And you know, 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:53.240 you know, you said that to be handful of times 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:55.040 about lights. You're like, if we'd have had these lights 1:31:55.080 --> 1:31:58.759 and we were kids, dude, have been a whole different programs. Huge. 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:01.840 So like you know, we you know, would follow a 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:03.200 group when we were kids, and you go in a 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:05.560 hole and you look in there and just black. You're like, 1:32:06.840 --> 1:32:09.800 all right, let's go find something else. Yeah, let me 1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:11.600 let me spend a couple seconds on these holes. It 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:16.679 might be that that um like when we're saying a hole, 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:18.640 it's I want you to people to understand like how 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:21.280 like what exactly we're talking about. It might be that 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:24.840 you have a hole. I mean, there's all kinds of configurations, 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:29.000 but it wouldn't be unusual to find a hole that 1:32:29.080 --> 1:32:30.679 would be big enough for you to get your head 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:32.680 and shoulders into the mouth. I mean, it's like a 1:32:32.760 --> 1:32:35.080 hole in the rocks. They're a little cave opening. You 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:38.840 could get your head and shoulders into it or not. 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:41.479 Or it might be that you can just look under 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.040 it and you couldn't get any party you in there, 1:32:43.080 --> 1:32:44.680 but you shine a light in there, you realize you're 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:46.960 looking into the space that could be the size of 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:49.200 a five gallon bucket. It could be the size of 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:54.320 a household refrigerator in these cavities, and then and then 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.680 off of that is all these other little pockets and 1:32:57.880 --> 1:33:01.000 ledges and holes like a coffee can, and that like 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:03.639 a hole the diameter of a coffee can that goes 1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:06.280 back in three ft and you wonder how the hell 1:33:06.400 --> 1:33:09.559 that form? Right, But like like holes of all makes 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:12.720 and sizes Swiss cheese. A good way to think of it, 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:14.879 A good way to describe it so people can visualize 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:18.719 it is think of your house. Then think of five 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.080 of your friends houses. All of them are shaped differently. 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:24.240 You think about being able to come through the front door, 1:33:24.840 --> 1:33:27.320 walk into the first room, then go into a hallway, 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:33.320 then it opens up into another's, then there's a bathroom, 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:35.840 and there's all these different spaces and they turn and 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:39.599 all that, and they got upstairs and downstairs, and that's 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:42.600 how it is. So you shrunk a house down to 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:44.800 the size of a car, that would be like a 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:49.120 grouper hole. And every single one is different. So there 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:51.679 was one towards the end of the day yesterday were 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:55.120 instead of like kind of prefering prepping you on it, 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:57.320 I was like, just go go look at it and 1:33:57.400 --> 1:34:00.679 tell me what you think the approach is for let's 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:02.439 focus it on that fish for minute, because this fish 1:34:02.479 --> 1:34:06.840 had a this has had uncertain fate. Who you found 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:09.160 the fish? Yeah, so you found it out and about 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:11.599 doing his business. And I chased him man as fast 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:14.960 as I could swim for probably two fifty yards. Yeah. 1:34:15.000 --> 1:34:17.240 When you take off after one, you're gone. Yeah. I 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:19.320 can't Like a lot of times I can't find I 1:34:19.439 --> 1:34:21.599 like kick to try to look around, and I'll oh, 1:34:21.640 --> 1:34:23.120 ship there he is way over there. Yeah, you like 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.880 stay on top of him. Yeah, So I haul asked 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:27.479 after him because I know he's going to a hole 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:30.680 and that one had the choice of heading to the 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:33.320 right and going out off the drop off and going 1:34:33.360 --> 1:34:35.759 into a hundred foot of water and it's but instead 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:37.519 he turned and went shallow, so he actually went in 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:41.320 to about thirty water. So I followed him. He went 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:43.519 a hole, and looking at the hole, I could tell 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:45.880 by the way it was swept out, you know, with 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:48.840 sand and stuff, that was his spot. So I waited 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:51.320 for you guys to come, and I knew it was 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:54.559 like a twenty pound yellophin grouper. And I went down 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:56.559 and put the light on him and put a camera 1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:59.080 in there to record actually in the hole while he 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:02.479 was in there, and you can tell when you look 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:04.840 in there on a hole like that, he's not leaving, 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:09.240 like that's where he knows, the absolute safest place within 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:14.000 whatever proximity, Like that's the spot. So the challenge with 1:35:14.120 --> 1:35:17.800 that hole is he had swept it out so that 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:20.640 the entrance, which was like if you make if you 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:23.400 make a circle with your arms right now towards your 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:24.960 chest and kind of bring it in a little bit 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:28.960 of it's kind of oblong shape, and you had to 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:32.600 go down a little bit and then up into it, 1:35:33.000 --> 1:35:35.040 if that makes sense. Because he swept out the sand, 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:36.760 you can't get a spear in there. If you put 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.439 a spear in the whole, you're it's blow him, Yeah, 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:41.759 because of the lip of the ledge is basically pushing 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:44.400 your spear down, and you couldn't excavate anything to make 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:46.040 room for the butt end of the spear because it 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:49.760 was all just rock coral, hard coral. So you tried 1:35:49.800 --> 1:35:52.000 and you never even could get the angle, and so 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:55.000 you're like, hey, whoever wants to try it. Parent was 1:35:55.040 --> 1:35:56.800 giving me all kind of advice behind to do it. 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:58.960 I said, then you go do it, And I tried, 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:01.120 and he got in there with his with his spear 1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:02.840 and got it all lined up. That notice that he 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.080 had to get his body back out and take a 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:08.679 blind shot, trying to configure the spirit at the angle 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:10.760 of what you think it needs to be, because you 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:13.040 can actually be up in the hole while you shoot. 1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:17.800 Then Cameron went back down. Who don't, don't steal all 1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:22.200 his glory here. So you pulled the trigger and you 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:24.240 can hear I at least for me, it was one 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:26.920 of the most satisfying noises ever, was to hear you 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:35.400 hit solid rock that was rock, solid rock. So then 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:37.400 you did not clear the lip. So of course we 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:40.240 give shipped to parentesses surveys like all right, will you 1:36:40.320 --> 1:36:41.800 go catch him with your hands? Then I was like, 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.000 all right, I think I can do it. So I 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:46.480 went down there and blocked the whole hole with my shoulders, 1:36:46.560 --> 1:36:48.920 put my head in there, and I had him like 1:36:49.040 --> 1:36:51.639 I had him in my hands multiple times in the hole. 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:54.720 He just wouldn't open his mouth. The trick is to 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:56.880 get him to bite you so that you can get 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:58.920 your hands in his mouth and then you can get 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:03.360 your hands in his gills and it's basically noodling, which 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:06.160 I've I've done plenty of times, but man, that was 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:10.719 a noodle. Yeah. So I had a pretty good battle 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:12.720 with him. And during this, you know, all of us 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.280 mucking around down there, we had two sharks that had 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:17.519 come up, and one of them just as I came 1:37:17.560 --> 1:37:19.200 to the surface after a noodle him and all that 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.840 hell was breaking loose, was like right there at the 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:24.519 mouth of the hole, and that grouper came out like, 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:27.720 you know, like a guy that had almost got knocked out. 1:37:28.400 --> 1:37:31.720 Here's the things, like nothing had actually happened to him, 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:35.200 but he had just had the most harrowing he had 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:39.280 had probably the most harrowing minutes he's ever had in 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:41.760 his whole life. And the way that shark is like 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:47.360 something is with that fish. What I mean, he had 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.280 his number. Yeah, So the grouper just came out of 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.120 the hole, and you know, it's like he's been in 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:55.120 a dark room for forty five minutes. He walked out 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:57.840 of the sunlight and right there is a six ft 1:37:57.920 --> 1:38:02.760 shark like, something's wrong with you. I couldn't believe with 1:38:02.880 --> 1:38:04.600 that shark recognized that. He's like, I don't know what 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:07.800 it is, but you're not right. And man, they both 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:09.439 took off like a bat out of hell and they 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:11.479 were instantly gone. If I had to bet money, I 1:38:11.560 --> 1:38:13.519 think the group was not alive. I think so too, 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.840 because here's what I think what happened to him. He's 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:17.800 he can't go to his main hide out, and he's 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:20.680 gonna go into like he's got to know exactly where 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:22.680 he's going. And if he goes into any place that 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:27.400 we're a dead ends or there's another grouper, he's gonna pause. 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:31.000 That dud's on him. Man. Yeah, bad for him. I 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:36.479 think he survived. It would be surprised. The group was 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:40.439 a tough fish, especially a shop on him. I can't 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:42.960 believe that was wild to fit himself in a small 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:46.000 little but you don't think he could fit him so 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:49.479 and that I hope he's alive. That's something interesting to 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:53.400 say for both the grouper and the shark. Like the 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:57.120 fish are amazingly hardy. Like the grouper that uh that 1:38:57.280 --> 1:38:59.880 we got with Kimmy, that one had an old scar 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:02.080 in it from where he had been shot and had 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:04.600 ripped out, you know, and he had healed over and 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.560 you actually pointed it out. Oh yeah, I mean he 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:09.439 was playing it like the plane his day. Yeah, and 1:39:09.640 --> 1:39:12.960 a lot of those big old warriors like that, they're 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:14.880 going to have that. And then on the on the 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:17.840 other end of the spectrum, the sharks, like how fast 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:21.200 that shark went, Like we're always like yeah, you know, 1:39:21.400 --> 1:39:24.640 like look at the shark, or Al Roker said, you know, 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:27.000 redirect the shark, you know, when they're coming at you 1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:30.400 or whatever. Seeing how fast that shark goes, there is 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:33.760 nothing you can do. If they want you, if they 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:36.840 want to bite you, you're getting bit. There's no way 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.080 to stop them. They're just so fast. I was really 1:39:39.120 --> 1:39:42.920 impressed by how fast that shark swam. I normally would 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:46.920 would put money on the grouper, but seeing that shark 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:51.240 just chase that grouper and just how much he gained 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:52.880 on him, I would put my money on this shark. 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:56.880 What a little more, what a morsel man, a big 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:01.559 meal dude. And so let's let's talk about the let's 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:04.320 come around on a whole hunt that went right. You 1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:06.920 saw him out mine in his own business. Yeah, Like, 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:08.920 I'm gonna take you with me every time we go 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:10.720 for groupers, because as soon as you and I jump 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:13.880 in the water, the bubbles clear, we see one. Yeah, 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:18.080 so we jumped in that spot and um. As soon 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:20.960 as bubbles cleared, like, I kicked towards the reef and 1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:23.639 I saw a big one, like the biggest grouper we've 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.880 seen the whole trip. And he started hauling butt um 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.559 up the reef and I took off like about out 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:31.040 of hell. Yeah. How far did he go before he 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:35.880 went into his hole? Probably forty yards fifty yards um, 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.599 And we're talking about we're talking about a forty pound fish. Yeah. 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:41.439 And it's tough in that shallow stuff because you're like 1:40:41.600 --> 1:40:44.560 your neck is so craned. Think about laying flat on 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:47.160 the floor on your stomach and having a crane to 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:49.720 look in front of you along the floor. That's a 1:40:49.800 --> 1:40:53.200 weird position. And like in the shallows, they're like straight 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:56.120 front of you. It's not like looking down, so they're 1:40:56.120 --> 1:40:59.000 already on the edge of visibility. So I'm hauling but 1:40:59.160 --> 1:41:01.320 after him, and he went up into a section of 1:41:01.360 --> 1:41:04.280 the reef that um Zach Brown and I actually found 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:07.080 together um And in fact, I call that that spot. 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:10.400 I think Zach Hole or Zach black or something Zack 1:41:10.479 --> 1:41:15.720 black black. Yeah. And he went in the same hole 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:17.519 that Zach and I had gotten a big yellopin grouper 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:19.760 in and I mean you said it was like the 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:21.720 most happy you see me a long time. Like I 1:41:21.880 --> 1:41:25.719 was just like, yes, yes, because I knew the hole. 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:28.120 And the only way to figure those holes out is 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:30.760 to have an experience like we did yesterday. Is like 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:33.000 you gotta just spend a ton of time in there 1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:35.600 and figure out I can get my body into this 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:38.200 hole by twisting this way. Then I got to bring 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.320 the pulse spirit in this way. But once they go 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:44.080 in these dark holes where they think they're safe, for 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:47.439 the most part, those groupers like to have an exit. 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:51.600 That particular hole does not have an exit, but it 1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:53.840 has enough space in there that he can go in 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:56.280 and turn around. So their m O is to go 1:41:56.400 --> 1:41:59.000 in those holes, go way back up in the dark, 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:01.760 and just lay up against the back of it so 1:42:01.960 --> 1:42:03.960 that anybody looking in there is just going to think 1:42:04.000 --> 1:42:06.280 it's the back of the hole. Because their camouflage and 1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:08.960 their coloring they can change, you know, like a chameleon, 1:42:09.000 --> 1:42:11.360 they can change to match whatever they're doing. So when 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:15.080 they're they're usually just jet black. So I went in 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:16.760 there and looked with the light. Once kind of the 1:42:17.400 --> 1:42:21.080 you know, the dust settled, and then we started having 1:42:21.120 --> 1:42:24.560 to strategize like how how can we get in that 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:26.800 hole with a spear short enough to get in the 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:30.240 hole and then shoot him. Yeah, because you actually said, 1:42:30.240 --> 1:42:32.160 even though you knew that hole and you found that whole, 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.960 you guys weren't successful because it was too small for 1:42:36.920 --> 1:42:39.479 zax body and it was a tricky hole. Like it 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:42.200 was great, it was a wonderful opportunity. And of course 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.880 having you put all those spotlights on the fish so 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:47.840 we could see it was everything, because Steve and I 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:51.840 couldn't even see it at first. But then trying to 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:55.400 figure out because you really had to go deep into 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:57.280 that hole because he was way in the back and 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:00.800 and it's like a narrow little thing that's like just 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.360 enough to fit my body. But trying to then figure 1:43:03.400 --> 1:43:06.320 out how to get a spear in there at the 1:43:06.479 --> 1:43:09.200 right angle and how to have it loaded in there, 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:13.200 that was a lot. And for reference, the hole that 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:17.320 we're talking about was probably just wide enough that Steve 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:20.479 or I or Kimmy's shoulders could get in, so we 1:43:20.520 --> 1:43:23.519 could sneak our body in there. But then you had 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:28.160 to go easy six ft just you your feet are 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:30.680 sticking out, just your feet are sticking out, so you're 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:33.120 and it's not like it's straight down, so you're going 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:37.880 probably down two ft and then immediately turning and going 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:43.519 to the left five ft six ft and the fishes 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:48.200 back there about nine he's way in there. So it's 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:50.960 it's wild. It's like a weird like kind of side 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:55.800 shaped chimney, and it's it's just it's weird to squeeze 1:43:55.840 --> 1:44:01.000 yourself in this like twisted tunnel that's just enough to 1:44:01.080 --> 1:44:04.599 fit your body, knowing that there's no possible way when 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:06.680 you're in all the way to your ankles and you 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:09.559 know that you can't turn around. That's a weird feeling, 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:13.559 really weird, because going backwards is not the easiest thing 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:16.360 to And how and how many feet were you guys underwater? 1:44:17.240 --> 1:44:22.240 I was And this is on a breath, you know, 1:44:22.680 --> 1:44:24.880 on a single breath. So and this is one of 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:27.880 the things that I love about the whole hunting is 1:44:28.280 --> 1:44:30.760 the strategy behind it because all of us are you know, 1:44:31.280 --> 1:44:34.200 we're students of whatever sport it is, you know, hunting, diving, fishing, 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:36.720 and for each one of these situations, you have to 1:44:36.800 --> 1:44:39.760 draw on every experience you had leading up to that 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:43.040 to make it happen. Because like general people would have 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.120 like a big long pulse fore we've been using the 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:47.639 whole time and be like this, it's not gonna happen. 1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:50.560 You just can't get the thing in there, or you 1:44:50.640 --> 1:44:52.519 know he's around the corner, blah blah blah, We're not 1:44:52.520 --> 1:44:53.840 gonna be able to get it. Yea, we kicked around, 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:58.920 harpooning it. Yeah, just pushing into him. So in my mind, 1:44:59.040 --> 1:45:02.120 and there's there's usually a way that you can figure 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:05.160 it out. Um, it's just being patient, you know, because 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:08.559 once you touch him that one time, he's gonna blow 1:45:08.600 --> 1:45:11.840 out of there. So making that first shot count and 1:45:11.920 --> 1:45:15.040 not just taking a pot shot is really important. What 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:17.640 you gotta wait for the sand to settle. It's got 1:45:17.720 --> 1:45:19.640 to be clear enough you can see him. You know. 1:45:19.760 --> 1:45:21.519 Steve was backing you out, and I think I told you, 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:24.560 you know, like if she starts getting stuck, you know, 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:27.479 pull her out. Um. And I told Cammy, I was like, 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:29.880 when you do go and shoot him, if you don't 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:32.200 have the perfect shot, don't don't let it go. But 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:34.679 when you do shoot him, just let go of everything. 1:45:35.240 --> 1:45:37.280 All you need to focus on is getting out of 1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:41.120 that hole because there's not enough space for both of 1:45:41.200 --> 1:45:42.720 you guys to be in that hole at the same 1:45:42.800 --> 1:45:45.559 time at the entrance because it's so narrow, and then 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:48.040 you've got a spear coming back at you too. So 1:45:48.720 --> 1:45:51.439 the danger factor in the complexity of all is is 1:45:51.560 --> 1:45:55.920 what makes it very challenging, very dangerous, and and you 1:45:56.000 --> 1:45:58.959 know awesome as well. Yeah, I just want to illuminate 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:01.439 the picture. It's like I was on the top watching 1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:05.960 this all go down. It's like multiple dives down from 1:46:06.040 --> 1:46:08.599 all of you, sometimes one of you, sometimes a couple 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:12.880 of you guys two together, checking it out, seeing it 1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:18.240 coming back up, readjusting the plan, thinking of different, you know, 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:20.800 ways to get him out. Who was going to do what, 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:22.840 who was gonna you know. It was just kind of 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:27.880 this battle plan unfolding as you'd go and lay eyes 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:30.080 on him, or at one point maybe he was like 1:46:30.200 --> 1:46:32.360 further back in the hole you couldn't see him. I mean, 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:36.559 it's just like your your team coming together to try 1:46:36.640 --> 1:46:40.680 to figure out whose job, who's doing what, how to 1:46:40.760 --> 1:46:43.599 get this and then to see it all come together 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:47.320 from the surface was comple I mean it was insane 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:52.719 to see, like Kimmy jam that spearing Steve was behind 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:58.880 her went in and I mean immediately, like Camerin said, 1:46:58.960 --> 1:47:00.280 Cameron just looked me in the eye. I was like, 1:47:00.960 --> 1:47:03.920 after your spirit, do not even try to horse it out. 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:07.599 Get out of there. You came up with a smile 1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:10.120 on your face. I knew, I knew I got him good. 1:47:10.600 --> 1:47:13.680 Like I said, when he came up, was that on 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:18.160 the work exactly? Who knew? You hit him solid fist 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:21.760 camera on the way up, and then said, I said, 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:23.880 I think it's gonna work. And then when he started 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:25.519 talking to me, I just happened to put my face 1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:27.519 back in the water, and Steve was already going down 1:47:27.600 --> 1:47:30.840 there to retrieve it. I'm like, oh, Steve's already in it, 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:33.599 so tell us from from your side, because I mean, 1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:37.160 I know, like, at least in my mind, I think 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:41.080 that's the first time you realized how strong fish can be. 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:44.160 Oh yeah, I mean the first thing that surprised me 1:47:44.240 --> 1:47:45.639 is when I put my arm and I couldn't find 1:47:45.640 --> 1:47:48.639 the shaft and that thing's long. I was like, damn, 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:50.840 that thing isn't there far. And I've actually reached up 1:47:50.880 --> 1:47:53.160 in there pretty good and got ahold of shaft and 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:54.960 started to pull him. I was surprised that I could 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.400 actually pull him a little bit, but then he come out. 1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:02.760 Did he come out and head first? Tail man? I was, 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:04.920 I was, I had no idea that fishes that big 1:48:05.040 --> 1:48:07.720 Steve was whipped and it was just nothing. But like 1:48:07.960 --> 1:48:13.720 I just like I could see his just tail. No, no, 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:15.800 he came out head first, but somehow that there was 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:18.000 so much silt sediments ship and I just saw like 1:48:18.040 --> 1:48:20.439 what I thought, like a hall of it tail, you know, 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:24.880 just tail. His tail is probably easily two hands fans 1:48:24.920 --> 1:48:27.080 like your hands, yeah, your hands easily. Oh wait, did 1:48:27.120 --> 1:48:30.960 we did we say how big this grouper was? Yeah, 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:34.439 like I feel like forty pounds, Brandon feels like upper third. 1:48:34.520 --> 1:48:37.240 It was. It was like a man and they were 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:41.760 getting dragged around in circles. He got me like, so 1:48:41.920 --> 1:48:44.000 you got it coming out, and like what was kind 1:48:44.000 --> 1:48:45.679 of your plan? Like I'm just gonna take him the surface. 1:48:47.360 --> 1:48:49.600 I don't know. I was like, I don't know what 1:48:49.720 --> 1:48:51.280 I thought. I had to hurry because I thought if 1:48:51.320 --> 1:48:52.840 he just came out, so I kept taking if he 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:54.320 comes out and just slims away with the whole kit 1:48:54.400 --> 1:48:57.680 and caboodle, which yeah, so I thought it was like 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:00.320 I thought it was like an essence of like and 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:02.200 that's weary. And you know because if he came out 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:04.360 and for all the serpent, he just like swam off 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:06.080 after he just swam off. So I thought you had 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:08.240 to kind of be like Johnny out the spot. I 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:09.960 was gonna pull him out of the hole. I don't know, 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:12.519 you guys are eyes hanging around making sure nothing bad 1:49:12.600 --> 1:49:14.120 happens to be so sure I got him out of 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:17.760 the whole. Someone else to do something just from from 1:49:17.880 --> 1:49:19.320 as soon as I looked down. I was just trying 1:49:19.360 --> 1:49:22.080 to be helpful. You pull you pulled him out, and 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:25.360 you're kind of facing the hole. You pulled him out, 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.439 and in the video you can see he comes out 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:32.439 like a bad comes to life and spins you around. 1:49:33.640 --> 1:49:39.200 I was crazy at least, and you had made a 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:41.400 comment about you like the kind of fish where you 1:49:41.400 --> 1:49:43.720 gotta dig your heels in try to drag him out 1:49:43.760 --> 1:49:45.360 of the hole, which is hard with a fin on. 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:47.400 But I actually when he went under that next ledge, 1:49:47.439 --> 1:49:51.200 I had like I was trying to brace myself like 1:49:51.280 --> 1:49:53.360 I was gonna do a dead list. I was like 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:55.400 getting set up for a dead list. And then once 1:49:55.439 --> 1:49:57.080 he was free of the hole, and Kimmy was down 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:59.280 there and then I was like, holy ship, that fish 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:02.800 is big. Man. It just seems like in that I 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:05.280 don't know why, but like in that because most of 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:07.559 fish are looking there aren't big. You know, you're looking 1:50:07.560 --> 1:50:09.599 at all kinds of fish, like you know, two three 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:11.840 four pounds, I mean, just aw the reef fish. And 1:50:11.960 --> 1:50:15.639 I just didn't know that something like that was around 1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:17.400 when I went and looked at it, because you are 1:50:17.560 --> 1:50:19.439 looking at like there's like a portion of a fish 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:21.240 when you put a light. Now you like, just look 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:23.280 where the light is. I'm like, fish, I don't know. 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:25.639 Hear what about this? He says, like thirty forty something 1:50:25.680 --> 1:50:28.440 pounds When you're looking at in the cooler, what's its dimensions? 1:50:29.040 --> 1:50:34.760 It filled a YETI one, It's lips and tail are touching, yeah, 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:40.800 and just fat and chubby in between those those big blacks. Um, 1:50:41.120 --> 1:50:43.840 we can always tell, like they're over thirty five when 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:46.479 they get that big bottom jaw, Like you can see 1:50:46.479 --> 1:50:49.000 the big shoulders, but that big bottom jaw. As they 1:50:49.040 --> 1:50:50.840 get bigger, it just gets bigger and bigger, and you're like, 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:54.000 that's a real one, you know. But less than that, 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:56.280 I still think it's kind of not a juvenile I 1:50:56.280 --> 1:50:59.800 mean they're good fish, but that's a stud like that, 1:51:00.000 --> 1:51:01.840 a big one. You know. A thing I've learned from 1:51:02.880 --> 1:51:04.880 I think I'll learn from spear fisherman that I had 1:51:04.920 --> 1:51:06.720 to put together for like after a whole life of 1:51:06.840 --> 1:51:12.439 rod and reel and fish. Is that like grip Like 1:51:12.600 --> 1:51:16.719 that if you get your hand up in his throat, 1:51:16.880 --> 1:51:19.519 so your thumb is under one gill plate and your 1:51:19.560 --> 1:51:22.040 four fingers go on to the other guilt plate, and 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:25.800 you're basically like grabbing his trachia. You're grabbing the base 1:51:25.920 --> 1:51:29.479 of his gills, pushing all of his gills together too, 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:32.360 closing it. Man, you can manage a hell of a 1:51:32.439 --> 1:51:34.880 big fish like that, and it's so much easier to 1:51:35.439 --> 1:51:38.120 swim them and turn them by their head. You got them. 1:51:38.240 --> 1:51:41.840 You're thinking, you're they shut right down. You're not letting 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:44.479 water go through their gills. They're like, oh jeez, I 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:46.160 mean this is difference, Like it puts you in the 1:51:46.280 --> 1:51:48.960 driver's seat in a way, the holding his tail and ship. 1:51:50.960 --> 1:51:52.920 It just makes them that much more. I mean, that's 1:51:52.920 --> 1:51:56.080 how they're shaped to be hydrodynamic. So oh yeah, that 1:51:56.200 --> 1:51:57.640 was like I couldn't believe the first time I did. 1:51:57.680 --> 1:51:59.200 I did it on a on a yellow tail and 1:51:59.200 --> 1:52:01.800 it was like he was just like very hard to man, 1:52:01.880 --> 1:52:04.160 it's wrapping all over, beat me inside of the head 1:52:04.160 --> 1:52:05.559 and I met you got him like that and he's 1:52:05.560 --> 1:52:18.880 just like okay, Uh, if you curious what all this 1:52:18.960 --> 1:52:21.639 looks like all the whole hunting parent as a camera, 1:52:21.720 --> 1:52:24.639 as a underwater cameraman, how would you rank coverage. It's 1:52:24.640 --> 1:52:26.720 one of those difficult things to shoot ever, because you 1:52:26.720 --> 1:52:29.360 guys are disappearing inside of a cave, and it does 1:52:29.439 --> 1:52:32.320 make it doesn't create certain complexities. It well, it's dark 1:52:32.400 --> 1:52:35.639 and you have a flashlight and they're silt everywhere. So honestly, 1:52:35.760 --> 1:52:37.799 the camera rigs like we can barely get them inside 1:52:37.840 --> 1:52:41.120 the holes. UM. Having go pros and things rigged up 1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:43.679 in the cave like camera setting up is super helpful 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.200 for us, UM because the grouper and stuff they just 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:50.120 disappeared into the dark. So it's not the easiest thing 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.200 to shoot. And one thing people forget is that the 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:56.400 camera guys have to keep up with you athletes or divers, 1:52:56.760 --> 1:53:00.280 and uh, that's that's gonna be hard. Sometimes we have 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:05.120 this great, great stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, if you were 1:53:05.240 --> 1:53:09.080 too great, like the footage that we've been getting recently. 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:11.760 I mean it's it's it's as good as it gets 1:53:11.760 --> 1:53:14.280 for the Bahamas UM, and there's a lot of team 1:53:14.320 --> 1:53:16.800 we're involved in that with you guys hunting, but also 1:53:16.920 --> 1:53:19.960 like Kimmy and and Cameron, I've been diving with them 1:53:20.040 --> 1:53:23.000 for almost a decade now. So when we're all diving 1:53:23.080 --> 1:53:25.519 together is the most fun for me because we don't 1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:27.840 even have conversations. We just look at each other and 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.120 all of us know exactly what to do at all 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:33.760 times in the water, and it's like this unspoken communication 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:37.200 when we're hunting and filming, that's just like everything is seamless, 1:53:37.520 --> 1:53:40.639 and creating with professionals and and getting it all on camera. 1:53:40.760 --> 1:53:43.640 It's just what we've created this past week is going 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:46.160 to be one of those badass Bahamas shows I've ever seen. 1:53:46.280 --> 1:53:48.880 So I'm excited about it. That's not I'm talking about 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:51.640 and they'll be able to see it where Kimmy on 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:55.200 meat Eater YouTube. I think it's going to release in 1:53:55.280 --> 1:53:58.400 October and um yeah, I'm gonna have my own little 1:53:58.720 --> 1:54:01.640 series on meat Eater what other what other places are 1:54:01.680 --> 1:54:04.600 on there? So this is our our travel episode. It 1:54:04.800 --> 1:54:07.880 is UM currently a four part series and so we 1:54:08.080 --> 1:54:12.280 have Maui my origins, um, and we have other places 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:17.800 in Hawaii Big Island and this is the travel episode Bahamas. Yeah, 1:54:17.960 --> 1:54:21.759 but paren Um and my husband Justin have been filming 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:24.160 all the underwater stuff and I think it's just it's 1:54:24.800 --> 1:54:27.800 so damn cool to have like people who are not 1:54:28.040 --> 1:54:32.080 just really really good cameraman, but they're also they're also 1:54:32.160 --> 1:54:34.000 holding their breath with us. I don't think a lot 1:54:34.040 --> 1:54:37.160 of people understand that. And they're also just that their 1:54:37.280 --> 1:54:40.520 knowledge and understanding of spear fishing, Like like they're not 1:54:40.760 --> 1:54:43.320 just Okay, we're gonna work our cameras and then be done. 1:54:43.440 --> 1:54:46.360 Like any break they get, they're out there poking fish too. 1:54:46.520 --> 1:54:49.440 And that's what makes it so cool, is it? Like 1:54:49.560 --> 1:54:52.360 when we say it's teamwork, I mean it is such teamwork. 1:54:52.400 --> 1:54:55.600 Half the times when we're diving, like it's even our 1:54:55.680 --> 1:54:58.760 camera guys like grunting or getting our attention to show 1:54:58.880 --> 1:55:02.320 us like a fish that we're not seeing and you 1:55:02.360 --> 1:55:05.040 guys are capturing it, but you're you're hunting it with us. 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:07.560 And that's what I think like makes the filming of 1:55:07.640 --> 1:55:11.880 the whole thing so fun. Definitely my heart. The problem 1:55:11.960 --> 1:55:14.160 I have with the way they grunt when they see something. 1:55:15.040 --> 1:55:16.720 It first takes me five minutes figure out where they 1:55:16.720 --> 1:55:19.640 all are at because it never just like automatically occurs 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:21.840 to me there behind me. I always start looking like 1:55:21.920 --> 1:55:24.280 in front of me because you're like underwater noise, it 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.120 just no direction to it. But every time I hear 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:27.640 him grunt and I start looking in front of me, 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:29.760 I'm like, the one place I know he's not is there, 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:31.760 But I still like where is he? They'm like, oh, 1:55:31.840 --> 1:55:36.480 that's right somewhere behind when you got a fish or 1:55:36.600 --> 1:55:40.400 just what like, what are you talking about? Going idiot? Idiot, 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:46.040 idiot right there? I only had grant you a few times, 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:54.640 teams so much if we could talk underwater, little underwater chokboards, 1:55:55.120 --> 1:55:57.520 He's like, look to your right, there is a large 1:55:57.600 --> 1:56:02.240 hog fish staring at you. Cute cards. No, it was 1:56:02.280 --> 1:56:04.000 so cool is that you guys put each other on 1:56:04.160 --> 1:56:08.760 so many different fish species so you were able to experience, 1:56:08.880 --> 1:56:17.160 like what it was catching gellow jack, black grouper, a 1:56:17.280 --> 1:56:19.240 lot of you know, and just to to have that 1:56:19.320 --> 1:56:22.080 different experience with each species. And I love I love 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:25.240 seeing the learning curve because I mean I said it yesterday, 1:56:25.320 --> 1:56:28.600 like Kimmy is arguably one of the best female and 1:56:28.800 --> 1:56:32.080 male spiritfish period in the world. Like she's phenomenal. She 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:34.560 just has that way in the water. Um, but even 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:38.520 still like nerves using different rig and you know, the 1:56:38.600 --> 1:56:40.920 water the first day, like you kind of worked out 1:56:40.960 --> 1:56:43.120 the kinks and same thing with Steve, you know, by 1:56:43.200 --> 1:56:45.000 the end of the trip. I mean we still made 1:56:45.040 --> 1:56:48.000 some mistakes, but night and day different than you know 1:56:48.120 --> 1:56:50.560 the first day, like your guys learning curves like this, 1:56:51.000 --> 1:56:56.040 Like it was pretty incredible. That's the fun part. Okay, So, 1:56:56.840 --> 1:57:00.640 uh got one A couple of things left. One major thing. Uh, 1:57:01.200 --> 1:57:06.080 A conk is a large marine snail. What's a big conk? Way, 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:09.160 it's gonna be a few pounds, right, I've had something 1:57:09.240 --> 1:57:11.960 with the actual meat itself. Way is up to two pounds, 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:14.360 all the meat itself and the whole damn shells weigh 1:57:14.360 --> 1:57:20.720 heavier than that, probably a foot long, and tastes real 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:24.120 good paint and the as to clean. Oh but you don't. 1:57:24.360 --> 1:57:25.800 Let's I want to cover an oar thing. You don't 1:57:25.840 --> 1:57:28.400 like lobster anymore? You got burned out. You're like someone 1:57:28.400 --> 1:57:30.520 who gets the job at of ice cream play pretty 1:57:30.600 --> 1:57:32.680 much and they pretty eat an ice cream. I mean, 1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:36.240 I'll still eat it, but I really lost a taste 1:57:36.280 --> 1:57:39.000 for it. Handled too many of them, seeing too much, 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:43.480 smelled it, eating it too much. But you still like conk? Yeah, 1:57:43.720 --> 1:57:48.280 I love conk. It's not cleaning. Conk is not um 1:57:48.680 --> 1:57:53.320 intuitive count No, you like, Well, I'll back some, but 1:57:53.400 --> 1:57:55.160 we're gonna go. We're gonna clean. You're gonna clean one 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:57.360 for us again. I think I told you to store. 1:57:57.360 --> 1:57:59.480 I'm gonna tell it again. The first time we tried 1:57:59.520 --> 1:58:02.720 to clean one one. We're in the southern yuk Tam 1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:05.600 Peninsula and we were kind of camping in this old 1:58:05.720 --> 1:58:08.280 bombed out house. Was like the roof had burned off. 1:58:08.360 --> 1:58:10.480 It was sort of like just a structure and the 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:12.880 windows were gone, but it had the window frames. And 1:58:12.920 --> 1:58:15.680 we had a rental car, and we took the bottle 1:58:15.760 --> 1:58:17.800 jack out of the rental car and we put the 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:21.800 conk up against the top of the window frame and 1:58:21.880 --> 1:58:24.200 put the bottle jack on the bottom of the window frame, 1:58:24.800 --> 1:58:26.760 and put a two by four between the conk and 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:29.520 the window frame, so it's like from going from it's 1:58:29.560 --> 1:58:32.360 like the window frame a bottle jack or two by 1:58:32.440 --> 1:58:35.160 four on top of the bottle jack. Then the conk 1:58:35.280 --> 1:58:37.520 sandwich between the two by four and the roof of 1:58:37.520 --> 1:58:41.040 the window frame of a house, and then start working 1:58:41.080 --> 1:58:45.120 the jack. There's a bottle jack didn't make that noise, 1:58:45.160 --> 1:58:48.440 but you get the noise. And then we'd like pick 1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:51.400 crush it and then pick all the chunks of shell 1:58:51.520 --> 1:58:53.040 and ship out of there and try to start out 1:58:53.120 --> 1:58:56.800 what was edible. And then one day we found where 1:58:56.840 --> 1:59:00.280 someone had been cleaning some ages ago, and we're like, 1:59:00.320 --> 1:59:02.360 why do they all have that little hole? And then 1:59:02.440 --> 1:59:05.560 it began to occur how one breaks into a con 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:08.320 But I still had really ever figured it out till now. 1:59:08.800 --> 1:59:12.680 I say, people completely destroyed the shell to get it out. 1:59:12.760 --> 1:59:15.120 Take a big hama or sledge holm and just completely 1:59:16.520 --> 1:59:20.560 explode the shell and like you said, picked the pieces off. Okay, 1:59:20.600 --> 1:59:22.760 we're gonna deal with that real quick. We gotta step 1:59:22.800 --> 1:59:26.520 outside the right because it's a messy business, all right, 1:59:27.000 --> 1:59:28.960 blocked up. So we got you got the conk in 1:59:29.000 --> 1:59:30.920 your hand, what's he wait? Two three pounds, three pounds, 1:59:33.200 --> 1:59:36.280 two pounds snail in your hand, and he can and 1:59:36.360 --> 1:59:39.200 he's he lookal and he comes to a point and 1:59:39.240 --> 1:59:42.960 those are like his growth rings. And you're gonna chisel 1:59:43.040 --> 1:59:47.640 into that snail shell where the end of his body 1:59:47.840 --> 1:59:51.520 curls all the way around. So we had a special hammer. 1:59:51.720 --> 1:59:54.680 Is that made for that? Yeah? Actually it is. It's 1:59:54.720 --> 2:00:00.280 like imagine, um, it's like two I can't what the 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:04.879 blade is called, like a yeah, like two hatchet blades 2:00:05.360 --> 2:00:07.840 set at ninety degree angle. So one side's got a 2:00:08.040 --> 2:00:10.000 one side's got a vertical, and one side's got a 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:15.440 horizontal depending on your stroke. Right, different strokes for different folks, 2:00:15.600 --> 2:00:18.240 that's right. So you're gonna take that, you're gonna bore 2:00:18.440 --> 2:00:22.320 into that shell. Yeah, So what you're gonna do is count. 2:00:23.200 --> 2:00:26.000 I know they typically count up instead of counting down 2:00:27.240 --> 2:00:30.400 practically the same. So I'll count two up. So you 2:00:30.480 --> 2:00:34.080 stop from this one where it's more defined one two 2:00:34.880 --> 2:00:36.680 in between the second and the third. Well, how do 2:00:36.720 --> 2:00:39.640 you know where to start accounting? Yeah, that's immediate argument 2:00:40.040 --> 2:00:43.680 because you go to where it so the first role 2:00:43.880 --> 2:00:47.840 is well defined. But that's someone's preference, so that you'd count. 2:00:48.080 --> 2:00:50.280 He'd be the one count and you count that one 2:00:50.360 --> 2:00:53.240 right there. Yeah, that would be one that would be 2:00:53.320 --> 2:01:05.440 too okay, then bullshit with with but right, come come 2:01:05.600 --> 2:01:07.720 to from the sef you could get and that's a 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:11.600 funny thing because I guarantee you would never get him up. No, 2:01:12.000 --> 2:01:15.560 because that's not technically that's not horns one too, and 2:01:15.640 --> 2:01:19.080 you break that, you get So this goes to show 2:01:19.200 --> 2:01:22.800 that it's it's almost by it's like common sense that 2:01:23.200 --> 2:01:26.200 that's gonna be where it's gonna be, you know, like 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:28.560 that's where you gotta crack it. Yes and no. But 2:01:28.680 --> 2:01:30.680 I'm saying like for us, like you look at it, 2:01:30.920 --> 2:01:32.560 that makes total sense. It's gonna be there. For me, 2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:34.760 it makes total sense, it's gonna be he you know 2:01:34.840 --> 2:01:36.560 what he said to me A handful of times he 2:01:36.640 --> 2:01:38.440 said to me something about how he was trained or 2:01:38.480 --> 2:01:42.040 how he was taught. He's got like a yeah, an 2:01:42.040 --> 2:01:48.920 allegiance to what I'm saying. Three four, five, seven, that's 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:51.400 between the seventh and eight. Let's do it, guys. If 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:55.480 you want to count all the sorry, and how do 2:01:55.520 --> 2:01:59.360 you know where you're gonna whack it? I count the notches. 2:01:59.720 --> 2:02:02.720 So you go, you count too, not just one too. 2:02:03.240 --> 2:02:06.200 And it's in between the second and third, but you're 2:02:06.280 --> 2:02:10.400 you're counting the first match that has texture, Yes, the 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:14.720 one really defined you know, defined, horny little growth ring, Yes, 2:02:15.840 --> 2:02:18.680 And you just count up too. In between the second 2:02:18.720 --> 2:02:20.720 and third is where you're going to crack them. And 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:22.360 the goal is that you're going to break a little 2:02:22.400 --> 2:02:25.720 teeny hole in there and then sever his mooring because 2:02:25.760 --> 2:02:29.400 he's like curled inside there and just the muscles stuck 2:02:29.520 --> 2:02:32.200 to the shed itself. That's what it touches him. So 2:02:32.280 --> 2:02:35.080 he's only attached him one little spot inside there. You're 2:02:35.080 --> 2:02:37.400 not really cutting nothing off to say, detouch it. You 2:02:37.600 --> 2:02:42.360 just removing it. It, just trying it free pretty much, 2:02:43.000 --> 2:02:45.560 loosening his grip on his shell. Yes, got it, and 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:55.480 that's it. What Yeah, there's a little whole third inch 2:02:55.600 --> 2:02:59.880 by an inch Now that's onny one though, I don't 2:03:00.480 --> 2:03:03.480 snakes a bendy dexter flame knife and air and you're 2:03:03.520 --> 2:03:10.760 just freeing up so the flexi blades billiam corn Huh 2:03:11.480 --> 2:03:15.360 To be honest, no, I prefer to use um but 2:03:15.480 --> 2:03:20.520 a knife. Yeah, And then you grab his foot, Wow, 2:03:20.960 --> 2:03:25.880 comes right out of there. You never guess. That's just 2:03:26.040 --> 2:03:30.080 slides right out. He's got a little dinosaur claw for 2:03:30.160 --> 2:03:34.480 a hook. Orange section of black, second brown section in 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:37.840 a big old white section. So what all this is edible? 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:40.720 All of it really and truthfully all of it is 2:03:40.840 --> 2:03:47.240 edible besides the spur, the gut and the mouth dies 2:03:47.800 --> 2:03:50.760 and everything. It looks like a little alien. And then 2:03:50.760 --> 2:03:53.120 you gotta get the rubbery skin off there. You don't 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:55.960 have to. You don't have to, like yments, No, mony, 2:03:56.040 --> 2:03:59.680 they won't cut it off, really, the skin and everything. 2:04:01.280 --> 2:04:04.520 So Steve cut it off for us because we're not behaving. 2:04:05.600 --> 2:04:09.840 I mean that probably we had you all out, and yeah, 2:04:09.920 --> 2:04:11.960 let's probably have a different point of view on it. 2:04:13.120 --> 2:04:15.960 If it's got the skin on, people say it makes 2:04:16.000 --> 2:04:18.960 it tough all but not really. So what come out 2:04:19.000 --> 2:04:20.760 of there is like a big I mean what your 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:22.960 leftover was, I would say you left over like a 2:04:23.000 --> 2:04:27.400 big Hamburger patty of meat pretty much. Yes, And so Steve, 2:04:27.480 --> 2:04:30.560 what's your hot tip take away from con cleaning? Don't 2:04:30.680 --> 2:04:36.840 use a bottle jack? Okay, So one last thing, speaking 2:04:36.840 --> 2:04:39.840 of conk. The other day we had this is where 2:04:39.880 --> 2:04:42.720 your listeners get involved. The other day we had h 2:04:42.960 --> 2:04:48.720 conk fritters at a restaurant. That is just it's crazy. 2:04:48.800 --> 2:04:50.560 I gues stop thinking about the guy in the restaurant. 2:04:50.600 --> 2:04:53.880 It's amazing. There's a guy, his family has been on 2:04:54.080 --> 2:04:57.040 this island for out and how long hundred fifty years 2:04:57.160 --> 2:05:01.360 something crazy. He lives alone for the most part, lives 2:05:01.520 --> 2:05:06.400 alone on an island, collects rain water and has a 2:05:06.560 --> 2:05:12.240 brackish water well, completely off the grid, and if all things, 2:05:12.520 --> 2:05:14.600 he runs a restaurant that he used to run with 2:05:14.720 --> 2:05:17.320 his mother who grew up there. His siblings were like 2:05:17.440 --> 2:05:19.680 born on the island. He likes to point out that 2:05:19.720 --> 2:05:21.320 he wasn't. He was born in a hospital and take 2:05:21.400 --> 2:05:25.160 him back to the island. Family dates back over a 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:30.080 century and like the stude named Chester has his restaurant 2:05:31.160 --> 2:05:33.440 and you need to call and tell him you're coming, 2:05:33.560 --> 2:05:35.280 and you pull a boat up. I mean he's many 2:05:35.360 --> 2:05:37.400 miles from the nearest road. You pull a boat up 2:05:37.440 --> 2:05:41.440 and he makes fried fish count fritters and during season 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:47.160 he cooks you lobster. Cameron's friends with him, and it's 2:05:47.200 --> 2:05:52.800 like it's not it's hard to explain the like, nohemer 2:05:52.840 --> 2:05:54.360 you think of a restaurant, you think of someone like 2:05:55.360 --> 2:05:57.360 he's just like he's just trying to get by in 2:05:57.440 --> 2:06:01.320 a way that makes sense to him, right and provide 2:06:01.400 --> 2:06:03.440 like like a really nice service. It's like it's like 2:06:03.480 --> 2:06:06.080 a restaurant, but it's that no one's getting rich at 2:06:06.120 --> 2:06:09.640 this restaurant. It's just like he like lives the way 2:06:09.720 --> 2:06:11.200 that makes sense to him and the way he's been 2:06:11.280 --> 2:06:13.839 there and is a restaurant. It brings about a tremendous 2:06:13.840 --> 2:06:17.040 amount of goodwill. You call him, you come in, you 2:06:17.160 --> 2:06:20.160 park your boat, you walk up, and he makes crying 2:06:20.240 --> 2:06:23.200 fritters and fried fish and sells beer. It's a great 2:06:23.200 --> 2:06:26.880 place and like slamming rump. But for him to get 2:06:26.920 --> 2:06:29.280 fuel is a real pain in the assid and Cameron 2:06:29.320 --> 2:06:32.040 can explain the fuel situation. So he had he's always 2:06:32.120 --> 2:06:34.120 run on generator. It's not like there's power out there. 2:06:34.520 --> 2:06:37.520 And I think in a thirty mile stretch there might 2:06:37.600 --> 2:06:40.320 be five other people that live like he's just right 2:06:40.400 --> 2:06:44.000 smack in the middle of no man's land. So he's 2:06:44.040 --> 2:06:46.680 got a diesel generator that he had for the last 2:06:46.760 --> 2:06:50.480 ten years or whatever that died just after this past hurricane. 2:06:51.000 --> 2:06:53.560 So about ten miles away on another island, we had 2:06:53.640 --> 2:06:56.160 heard that there was another generator that had been up 2:06:56.160 --> 2:06:59.080 in the woods in the bush for like fifteen years 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:02.640 left like and the guy who owns that island said, 2:07:02.640 --> 2:07:04.640 you guys can have that if you want. So him 2:07:04.680 --> 2:07:07.360 and two other guys went and got that old generator 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:09.960 has just been overgrown or whatever. Put it on a 2:07:10.000 --> 2:07:11.920 boat and drug it back to the island, and we 2:07:12.040 --> 2:07:13.720 drug it up the hill and put it back in there, 2:07:13.920 --> 2:07:16.960 and somehow a mechanic got it going after you know, 2:07:16.960 --> 2:07:21.680 a week. So now he's got this dilapidated old generator, 2:07:22.040 --> 2:07:25.280 and to get fuel for that, he's got to get 2:07:25.320 --> 2:07:27.960 in his boat and go fifteen miles get deesel, put 2:07:28.000 --> 2:07:30.000 it in jerry cans and bring it back to that 2:07:30.200 --> 2:07:33.160 and hump it up the hill and refill that generator constantly. 2:07:33.680 --> 2:07:38.040 So just before COVID, I got a guy to he 2:07:38.480 --> 2:07:41.760 then got weirdly, he got shut down for nine months 2:07:41.840 --> 2:07:45.160 during talk about brutal, like a place that would no 2:07:45.200 --> 2:07:47.360 one even know about. He's like restaurants gotta showed down. 2:07:47.400 --> 2:07:50.520 I closed so weird, Like I would have been like, 2:07:50.560 --> 2:07:53.040 I'm just gonna keep staying open because we're gonna know 2:07:53.360 --> 2:07:58.920 who's gonna know. Um. So he's always he's always said, 2:07:59.000 --> 2:08:01.760 you know, if you can get me a generator, you know, 2:08:01.840 --> 2:08:04.320 that'd be great. So a while back I went there 2:08:04.360 --> 2:08:06.680 and looked in the generator shed man, there's like five 2:08:06.760 --> 2:08:09.400 generators in there, Like a diesel generator is just not 2:08:09.560 --> 2:08:11.240 the way to go. They're just gonna keep dying. Yeah, 2:08:11.280 --> 2:08:13.360 they die and just live there, and he's gonna moves 2:08:13.400 --> 2:08:15.040 over and put another one in him. So I was like, 2:08:15.640 --> 2:08:17.800 why not do solar? You know? So I was like, 2:08:17.880 --> 2:08:20.680 started looking into getting quotes for solar. Howd a guy 2:08:20.760 --> 2:08:22.920 go out there and figure out the amount of power 2:08:23.000 --> 2:08:26.280 he needed and give us a quote and a game 2:08:26.360 --> 2:08:30.240 plan for doing solar. And that's where I got Steve involved, 2:08:30.280 --> 2:08:32.320 you know. I said, you know, if if you can 2:08:32.400 --> 2:08:35.240 give back anything for this trip, it would be to 2:08:35.360 --> 2:08:39.320 help him, to get him solar, just because he has 2:08:39.520 --> 2:08:42.480 done such a service for everyone that has ever visited 2:08:42.600 --> 2:08:45.200 that place will never forget it. That's one of the 2:08:45.320 --> 2:08:49.880 coolest spots on the planet. And just to take one 2:08:50.040 --> 2:08:53.800 aspect of us giving back to him and this worldwide 2:08:53.840 --> 2:08:57.200 community that loves that place so much and putting solar 2:08:57.280 --> 2:08:59.920 that's going to help the environment and help that island. 2:09:01.000 --> 2:09:06.200 I would love to do that. And we are rolling 2:09:06.600 --> 2:09:10.720 right now. We're with Chester. Can you introduce yourself and 2:09:10.760 --> 2:09:14.000 where we are right now? All I'm chest Advil. Yeah, 2:09:14.040 --> 2:09:17.640 it flows kunk Shack and Little Habba and the Barry Islands, 2:09:17.720 --> 2:09:21.440 Bahamas and how big is this island that we're standing 2:09:21.520 --> 2:09:25.040 on and who inhabits it? The island is about two 2:09:25.400 --> 2:09:28.240 and a half miles long and about a quarter mile wide. 2:09:30.600 --> 2:09:34.960 Current population. Current population right now is too well, usually 2:09:35.200 --> 2:09:40.080 there's one. So years ago, I was down here in 2:09:40.120 --> 2:09:42.280 the Bahamas and we've been fishing up in the Northern 2:09:42.320 --> 2:09:44.720 Barres Islands. We're running back down south and we ran 2:09:44.760 --> 2:09:48.480 past this island and I was like, man, who lives 2:09:48.600 --> 2:09:51.440 on that island? There's like two little houses, and a 2:09:51.480 --> 2:09:55.960 buddy's like, man, that's that restaurant. It's called Flows. It's like, well, 2:09:56.520 --> 2:09:59.320 how in the heck do they get anything there? But 2:09:59.440 --> 2:10:01.440 let's go check. We gotta go check this out. So 2:10:01.560 --> 2:10:03.680 we pull in running ground a couple of times trying 2:10:03.720 --> 2:10:05.560 to get in here, and finally get in here to 2:10:05.640 --> 2:10:07.120 the dock and walk up and I was like, hey, 2:10:07.200 --> 2:10:09.560 can we have lunch? Chester was like, do you have 2:10:09.720 --> 2:10:15.800 lunch tomorrow? And just segued into the next fifteen years 2:10:15.840 --> 2:10:18.280 of getting a no Chester and just what he has 2:10:18.320 --> 2:10:20.400 to go through day to day to live on an 2:10:20.440 --> 2:10:24.600 island by himself and run a restaurant which is arguably 2:10:25.200 --> 2:10:28.360 the best kunk and fresh fish, fried fish I've ever 2:10:28.400 --> 2:10:31.120 had my life anywhere in the world. It's so good, 2:10:31.560 --> 2:10:36.800 so good. Thank you very much for that game. I mean, 2:10:36.880 --> 2:10:40.000 it's gotta be wild for you seeing this every day. 2:10:40.080 --> 2:10:43.240 But you know every little bit of history because your 2:10:43.240 --> 2:10:46.240 family has been here for more than a hundred years. Yeah, 2:10:46.480 --> 2:10:51.160 what basically what got me started with this? When I 2:10:51.240 --> 2:10:54.880 was in school, My mom told me that this was 2:10:55.080 --> 2:11:00.080 our father's dream before you pass So in school I 2:11:00.240 --> 2:11:03.720 used to think about it all the time. And what 2:11:03.840 --> 2:11:06.440 I'm doing here right now is just trying to fulfill 2:11:06.560 --> 2:11:09.680 his dream because he's not here, So I took it 2:11:09.760 --> 2:11:13.600 upon myself to make it my dream. And what's your 2:11:13.680 --> 2:11:17.440 family's history here? You're telling me about your great or 2:11:17.520 --> 2:11:23.960 great great grandmother. Her name was Agnes Johnson. I think 2:11:24.040 --> 2:11:29.160 she was born in eighteen fourteen, if I'm not mistaken, 2:11:30.200 --> 2:11:32.960 And she was the founder of this island, Little Harbor 2:11:33.040 --> 2:11:38.040 under the keys around it, and it's been in our 2:11:38.120 --> 2:11:42.440 family ever since. It's generation property. You said she used 2:11:42.480 --> 2:11:45.440 to what did she used to do on this island. 2:11:46.040 --> 2:11:50.280 She used to cook for the pirates before she bought 2:11:50.320 --> 2:11:54.600 this island. She did Insistent Key, which is opposite Great Harbor, 2:11:55.400 --> 2:11:58.720 and she's to cook for the pirates, and they used 2:11:58.760 --> 2:12:03.080 to pay and go. She was a slave and that's 2:12:03.120 --> 2:12:06.440 why she made her fortune. And she overheard the pirates 2:12:06.520 --> 2:12:09.680 talking about purchasing the harbor, so when they went out 2:12:09.760 --> 2:12:12.560 to see she went in asa and purchase it. And 2:12:12.600 --> 2:12:15.400 when they came back and they met her. Yeah, that's 2:12:15.400 --> 2:12:18.120 how she got this island. How did that go over 2:12:18.240 --> 2:12:21.440 the pirates, Well, they didn't have a choice in about it. 2:12:21.800 --> 2:12:25.760 She already paid for it. That's pretty wild. And they 2:12:26.120 --> 2:12:28.640 when you as soon as you pull up here, you 2:12:28.800 --> 2:12:34.840 see generations and generation pile the biggest colle pile kunk 2:12:34.880 --> 2:12:39.480 shells I've ever seen. You're looking at over as a conkin. 2:12:40.640 --> 2:12:43.760 I mean it's literally close to a million conk. Well, 2:12:43.880 --> 2:12:45.640 what you got to look at, what you're looking at 2:12:45.760 --> 2:12:48.640 is only half or what used to be here because 2:12:49.560 --> 2:12:52.360 the shell it rots after a while and it turns 2:12:52.360 --> 2:12:56.720 into sign. Hm. That's why you're saying so pretty good 2:12:57.360 --> 2:13:00.640 from all that conk. I guess. So, so you run 2:13:00.680 --> 2:13:03.880 a restaurant, you live on this island. There are needs 2:13:04.000 --> 2:13:07.920 for power electricity to keep things running. What's what's your 2:13:07.960 --> 2:13:12.440 current situation with this now? Well, right now, I'm just 2:13:12.560 --> 2:13:15.960 skating on nice right now. That's what's going on with 2:13:16.080 --> 2:13:19.800 me right now, and you know I need help. If 2:13:19.840 --> 2:13:22.720 whoever can help me, I'd appreciate it very much. What's 2:13:22.760 --> 2:13:28.120 the what's the back story for the The major challenge 2:13:28.160 --> 2:13:31.560 here is Chester lives fifteen miles from any other civilization, 2:13:31.960 --> 2:13:35.720 So to get even fuel for the generator, he's got 2:13:35.800 --> 2:13:38.120 to go down getting his boat if the weather allows, 2:13:38.880 --> 2:13:42.160 and then run another fifteen miles up to gas cans up, 2:13:42.320 --> 2:13:44.520 get him filled with diesel, hop back in the boat, 2:13:44.640 --> 2:13:46.800 run back here, and then hump him up this hill 2:13:47.120 --> 2:13:49.360 and then back another hundred fifty yards back into the 2:13:49.400 --> 2:13:53.240 bush to a generator that is probably thirty or forty 2:13:53.320 --> 2:13:56.920 years old, you know, and it's been it's I mean, 2:13:57.720 --> 2:14:00.560 you're just hanging on by a thread keeping that thing running. 2:14:01.560 --> 2:14:04.440 And how how hot was it today? About nine degrees? 2:14:08.200 --> 2:14:10.880 Having even a fan is helpful here, So you know, 2:14:11.080 --> 2:14:15.400 having that generator there's a big deal. But I had 2:14:15.440 --> 2:14:19.440 had the idea just before COVID to try to get 2:14:19.520 --> 2:14:22.280 your solar. He's got a perfect piece of land here 2:14:22.320 --> 2:14:24.960 that's kind of protected from you know, the hurricanes. There's 2:14:24.960 --> 2:14:26.920 a good spot to put the solar kind of out 2:14:26.960 --> 2:14:31.040 of the way, Um, it's gonna save you know, moving 2:14:31.120 --> 2:14:36.040 diesel and not having to rely on fossil fuels period um. 2:14:36.480 --> 2:14:39.280 And just you know, you think about the things we 2:14:39.480 --> 2:14:44.560 do day to day just to survive, you know, at home, 2:14:44.640 --> 2:14:48.360 and how many people we have helping us. He doesn't 2:14:48.360 --> 2:14:51.320 have anybody help him. He's just him. So you're having 2:14:51.360 --> 2:14:53.920 an off day, and you know it's the however many 2:14:53.960 --> 2:14:56.440 how many how many days you run on diesel before 2:14:56.480 --> 2:14:59.440 you got to refill? Uh? Well, the tank I have 2:14:59.600 --> 2:15:03.600 is about uh about every three three days. I usually 2:15:04.320 --> 2:15:11.320 put in about fifteen gallons roughly m So it's a 2:15:11.400 --> 2:15:16.280 lot of work. Yea, Let's get some solar on this island. 2:15:17.040 --> 2:15:21.080 So personally, I couldn't fund it, and I wanted to 2:15:21.120 --> 2:15:23.280 get some friends together to help do it. And everyone 2:15:23.360 --> 2:15:26.720 I talked to had offered to help. But you know 2:15:27.120 --> 2:15:29.240 Steve and talking to him, and you know, a group 2:15:29.280 --> 2:15:31.480 of friends with here is like, let's do this, you know, 2:15:31.560 --> 2:15:33.320 let's really help him out. We can use our reach, 2:15:33.760 --> 2:15:36.320 you know to help a good guy in a cool place, 2:15:36.800 --> 2:15:39.160 you know, to be able to keep you doing what 2:15:39.280 --> 2:15:42.360 you're doing so more people can come and enjoy this. 2:15:42.520 --> 2:15:45.560 And this is there's not enough places like this on 2:15:45.680 --> 2:15:49.440 the planet with people like you. We spent we spent 2:15:50.080 --> 2:15:54.000 um number of hours over a couple of days here 2:15:54.040 --> 2:15:57.560 at Chester's and this was the base camp for part 2:15:57.600 --> 2:16:01.680 of the film shoot. He fed us from the restaurant. 2:16:02.360 --> 2:16:06.120 It was a scene for Um, we used his kitchen 2:16:06.240 --> 2:16:09.000 and his restaurant for a cooking scene for the show. 2:16:09.200 --> 2:16:12.640 And um, yeah, I mean it's something that anyone who's 2:16:12.640 --> 2:16:15.240 in this area like needs to come and experience. It 2:16:15.440 --> 2:16:21.640 is something that you really I can't imagine finding anywhere else. Um. 2:16:21.800 --> 2:16:24.640 So it's just kind of preservation of history and and 2:16:24.840 --> 2:16:30.560 continuing that. Yes, you can say that again. He also 2:16:30.640 --> 2:16:35.040 makes a slam and rum punch by it as flows 2:16:35.080 --> 2:16:42.160 famous rum punch flows cock check right flows called check Solar. Yeah. Um, 2:16:42.320 --> 2:16:44.960 that's that's what I've put together on camer instead of 2:16:45.040 --> 2:16:47.600 a goal fund me to help. He might be sitting 2:16:47.640 --> 2:16:50.440 there thinking like, um, why would I give a shit 2:16:50.480 --> 2:16:54.880 about this place? I don't think I can't explain to you. 2:16:55.480 --> 2:16:58.240 It's a cool place. It's a really cool project. He's 2:16:58.240 --> 2:17:00.600 a great guy, that's a nice guy, and it's like 2:17:00.800 --> 2:17:04.600 it'd just be fun to to do that. I feel like, 2:17:04.680 --> 2:17:06.440 you know, I feel like a lot of listeners would 2:17:06.520 --> 2:17:08.480 kick in a few bucks. Yeah, I'm gonna kick in 2:17:08.560 --> 2:17:11.160 some money. Yeah, any I mean anything helps, you know, 2:17:11.240 --> 2:17:13.960 And if it takes us five years, you know, to 2:17:14.080 --> 2:17:16.680 do it, you think about how many thousands and thousands 2:17:17.120 --> 2:17:20.760 of gallons of diesel burned that that'll save, you know, 2:17:20.920 --> 2:17:22.959 in one of the most pristine spots in the world. 2:17:23.400 --> 2:17:25.680 To be able to do it solar and to take that, 2:17:26.400 --> 2:17:28.080 you know, out of it, those fossil fuels out of it, 2:17:28.120 --> 2:17:30.000 would be pretty amazing. It's just such a nice and 2:17:30.160 --> 2:17:33.480 usual guy. You just want that place and what he's 2:17:33.520 --> 2:17:36.080 doing to exist in this world. I mean he has, 2:17:36.240 --> 2:17:39.200 like you said, over hunt, over a century of history there. 2:17:39.320 --> 2:17:41.520 He said to himself, like I'm never leaving this island. 2:17:41.600 --> 2:17:43.240 That's what he wants to do for the rest of 2:17:43.320 --> 2:17:46.920 his life. But it's like not exactly like fitted for 2:17:47.160 --> 2:17:50.440 today's world, you know, and so but to me, it's 2:17:50.440 --> 2:17:53.720 like those are the little gems, a little splashes of 2:17:53.879 --> 2:17:57.360 like awesome unique diversity that makes the world that much 2:17:57.400 --> 2:18:00.200 more interesting. So if we all could help it out 2:18:00.280 --> 2:18:04.040 just so it can exist, Like what a better place 2:18:04.720 --> 2:18:08.920 history floes conk Shack Solar, Yeah, you can have it 2:18:08.959 --> 2:18:12.520 all set up. Ye, flows conk shack solar. One thing 2:18:12.640 --> 2:18:15.039 he mentioned as it being his dad's dream. I feel 2:18:15.040 --> 2:18:17.240 like it was like a couple of generations back. Was 2:18:17.320 --> 2:18:24.080 it Cam his great great great great grandmother Flow she uh. 2:18:24.840 --> 2:18:28.120 He told us a story about how she used to 2:18:28.320 --> 2:18:33.760 serve food on that island to the pirates. She was 2:18:34.320 --> 2:18:37.280 she was born a slave, but yeah, but got into 2:18:37.760 --> 2:18:39.640 feeding the pirates when they would come in and would 2:18:39.640 --> 2:18:43.360 get collect goals. Made a little fortune off of that 2:18:43.560 --> 2:18:45.840 and not to stand them on the island for a while. 2:18:46.120 --> 2:18:49.000 And had heard the pirates like that island. So when 2:18:49.040 --> 2:18:51.200 the pirates went out to do their thing, she went 2:18:51.280 --> 2:18:53.600 to Nassau and bought the island. So they were a 2:18:53.600 --> 2:18:57.440 little bitter about that, That's what I asked. I was like, 2:18:57.480 --> 2:18:59.400 so what did the pirates do? They must have been passed. 2:19:00.560 --> 2:19:04.200 So let's keep that history up into the president. It's fun. 2:19:04.240 --> 2:19:06.760 It's a fun project. We'll talk more about it. You're 2:19:06.760 --> 2:19:08.280 also gonna put a get We also got a little 2:19:08.320 --> 2:19:11.440 video of showing the place. Sweet. Maybe sweet people could, 2:19:11.600 --> 2:19:12.960 like I said, kick in a couple of bucks and 2:19:12.959 --> 2:19:14.840 we'll pull that whole thing together to be fun. Yeah, 2:19:14.920 --> 2:19:17.440 it's where it's where Kimmy did her cooking second or 2:19:17.600 --> 2:19:19.199 the three of us, I should say, did our cooking 2:19:19.280 --> 2:19:23.560 segment um for her show in the series. And Chester's 2:19:23.600 --> 2:19:26.440 on it, Chesters on it all right, not to be 2:19:26.480 --> 2:19:32.400 confused the Chester the divester different, Chester, polygraph Chester, yeah 2:19:33.600 --> 2:19:37.160 line Chester al right, everybuddy, thanks a lot,