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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host. Dirk Durham. My guest today is going to

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Speaker 1: be one of my favorite people. He is one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people. This guy is another host of another podcast,

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Speaker 1: the Western Huntsman Podcast. Jim and I have known each

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Speaker 1: other for a few years. He was gracious enough to

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Speaker 1: ask me to be on the very first episode of

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Speaker 1: his podcast back in what was that twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 2: Jim, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. Thank you for coming on,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about some cool stuff today.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, man, I appreciate you having here.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell some folks a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: yourself about your podcast and what your day job is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if everybody knows. I mean

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Speaker 1: everybody thinks all these hunting into three people sit around

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Speaker 1: eating caviar with deer Antler's spoons right sitting on a

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Speaker 1: bear skin rug. But I feel like that's people don't

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Speaker 1: always know what you know behind the scenes. Looks like

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Speaker 1: for a real life hunting personality like yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think I think you're exactly right. I

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Speaker 3: think that there folks kind of look at the whole

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Speaker 3: hunting industry as if it's a lot more lucrative than

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Speaker 3: it really is. So yeah, just a little bit about me.

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Speaker 3: A lifelong hunter. I grew up out west, I grew

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Speaker 3: up in Utah, in Idaho and big, big time mule

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Speaker 3: deer hunter and elk hunter. And now now I'm a

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Speaker 3: like kind of half psychotic bear hunter. I love bear

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Speaker 3: hunting and I started, I don't know, roughly twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, I started getting a bit concerned about the

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Speaker 3: future of hunting and started writing for very magazines and

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Speaker 3: online articles and stuff like that, and it kind of

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Speaker 3: turned turned into this thing where, you know, my wife's

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Speaker 3: always like, you know, all you want to do is

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Speaker 3: talk about hunting, why don't you start one of those

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Speaker 3: hunting podcasts? And I'm like, I don't even really know

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Speaker 3: what a podcast is. I'd like, heard of Joe Rogan, right,

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Speaker 3: and so I look it up. And one of the

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Speaker 3: first podcasts I ever listened to it was you on

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Speaker 3: Randy Newbergh's podcast with somebody else. I can't remember who

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Speaker 3: else was on there. There was three people on there,

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Speaker 3: and it was you and Randy Newburg and somebody else

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Speaker 3: talking about elk hunting. Mistakes, and I'm like, okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: so this is what a podcast is, Like, I like

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Speaker 3: the content and whatnot. And so after the Elk season

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I had hit this bowl elk after I

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Speaker 3: don't know, it was like it was like a three

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Speaker 3: he busted a bunch of antlers off off of him,

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Speaker 3: it took me like three days to find him, and

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Speaker 3: by then the meat was spoiled, you know. It was

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Speaker 3: it was like a major blow the bears that got

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Speaker 3: and so it was like just this moment, I thought,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to start a podcast and

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Speaker 3: I love it so much. Even though this was devastating,

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Speaker 3: I just I just killed an elk and I couldn't

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Speaker 3: was even like a double whammy because the times had

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Speaker 3: want to want to be on my podcast? I have

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Speaker 3: no idea what I'm doing, but we came down and

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Speaker 3: recorded that first one and I released it Christmas Eve

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, oh day job. You asked about the day job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the commercial roofing industry and I run

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: The cool thing was I never met Jim in my

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Speaker 1: Jim just calls me up and we'll sit there and

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And that's what I love about you, man.

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Speaker 1: You're always You're just like you're the real deal. And

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Speaker 3: Now, I appreciate it, man, and that feelings mutual for sure.

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Speaker 3: It's you, like one of the most authentic people I know,

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Speaker 3: one of the most solid Elk hunters I've ever met

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Speaker 2: And yeah, just think highly of your brother.

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Speaker 1: Wow that Yeah, you're making me blush a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But if you ever get in trouble with your wife,

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will definitely. So today I want to talk

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Speaker 3: running of marathons and stuff like that. They're gonna get

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Speaker 3: and I guess that's the I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: And I think expectation versus reality sometimes really gets people.

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Speaker 1: in the back country of Idaho. And I put them

433
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: out number one. I'm I'm just I don't really use

434
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: them really for hunting because usually the elk kind of

435
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: disappear about middle August off of them anyhow. But I

436
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: just kind of like to know, I wanted to get

437
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: inside the head of an elk, like what are they doing,

438
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: what do they look like this time of year, when

439
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: do they when are they in this area? When do

440
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: they leave? When do they come back? Just it almost

441
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: kind of gives you like like a peek behind the

442
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: curtain of of an elk's life in that in that

443
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: very spot. And what'll we'll do. I'll put salt out. Now,

444
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: if you check the rags, it's not illegal to put

445
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: salt out, but it is illegal to hunt over salt,

446
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: so you can't hunt over the salt, and it'll kind

447
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: of foul up that area for hunting. So but I'm

448
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: not trying to hunt here. What I'm just trying to

449
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: do is are there any elk in this country at all?

450
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 1: What do they look like? What are they what are

451
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: they doing? When do they leave? When do they go?

452
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: It's just I always want to understand elk moore right, so,

453
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: and to get to get salt into these places. It's

454
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: well number one salts heavy, you know. I get it

455
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: in the sixty pound bag. And then North Idaho is

456
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: very steep, very brushy, a lot of timber. It's not

457
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: easy miles and a lot of the places I go

458
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: are off trail. I may use use an access trail

459
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: for a ways, but then I'll go off trail just

460
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: because I don't want to buy messing with my cameras.

461
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: So I'll get out there and sometimes I will the

462
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: whole way. I especially once I get off trail, I

463
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: will question my sanity, like what am I doing here?

464
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: This sucks? Oh my god, what am I I'm never

465
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: coming back here. I can't ever come back here. I mean,

466
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where it will test your

467
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: physical and your your mental fortitude to the to the

468
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: to the limit. Right, So, you know, because I got

469
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: just of salt, but I got water, I got cameras,

470
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: and I got I've got eighty pounds on my back,

471
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: and ye by the time I dumped that thing is

472
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: so like, oh my god, thank you. I got there finally,

473
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: and I set up my camera and everything. But then

474
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do two or three of those a

475
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: day because you know, I don't have a lot of

476
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: extra time to be thrown around, so I may have

477
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: to fit this in kind of a long weekend. So

478
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm just like business from from daylight to dark. As

479
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: much as I'd like to be swimming in the lake

480
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: or paddling around the river, I'm up here in the brush,

481
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: sweating and cursing, putting out these stupid trail cameras. But

482
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: what that does is later on, when I strap a

483
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: quarter of elk meat on my back. I know what

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 1: it feels like, and I know what I can do.

485
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: I know that this is gonna suck for a little bit.

486
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 1: But once I get to the better part of the trail,

487
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: or I get to some flatter ground or whatever, things

488
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: are gonna get better and I can do it. I

489
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: just I know I can do it. And then I'm

490
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: gonna take and I know the time it's gonna take

491
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: to get there. I'm not gonna have some weird expectation

492
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: like I should be able to Okay, I should be

493
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: able to get there in like twenty thirty minutes. It

494
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: may take me an hour or two to get to

495
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: get this meat out, you know, But I'm okay with that,

496
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: And then I don't feel defeated. Right it takes me

497
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: the hour to get it out, It's like, okay, cool,

498
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: I can go back and make another trip. I got

499
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: to go get another load of meat. So it's just

500
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: building that mental preparedness, I think, in some physical preparedness

501
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: around it.

502
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: I'd love to add, you know, because I love what

503
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: you're saying and I've been doing. Actually you're I think

504
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: you're the one that taught me this whole let's go

505
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: set some trail cameras and like the most random, you know,

506
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: areas that you're thinking about hunting, because I think it's important.

507
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: It tells you so much about what the elk are doing,

508
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: the elk behavior, how they're moving. It also tells you

509
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: if there are wolves moving through there consistently. It also

510
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: builds your stamina and and you know, it's like the

511
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: opposite you pack in heavy and come out light because

512
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: you've dropped the salt in the camera, you know. And

513
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think that's critical if you have I

514
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: understand that's going to be hard for gets coming from

515
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: back east or whatever to be able to do. But

516
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: for for the locals hunt now west, I mean, it's

517
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: a it's a great tool. It's a great scouting tool.

518
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. In some states it's just you just can't do it.

519
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: It's illegal, you know. Yeah, And I've looked looked this

520
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: up online several times just to make sure I'm following

521
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: the letter of the law, because I don't I want

522
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm I'm legal, legal, right, But in

523
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: some states you can't do it. I don't think you

524
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: can do it at Wyoming, and I think I don't

525
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: think Montana allows it either either I haven't got it

526
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: too far into it because I haven't really tried. I

527
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: don't really set trail cameras in those places.

528
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 3: I think it's Arizona and Utah. I actually I don't know.

529
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: I'd have to look it up. I don't want to

530
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: speak at at a turn there.

531
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look it up. If you decide you want

532
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: to do such a thing, I always say, look it up,

533
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: see if it's legal. If it's legal, go do it,

534
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: have some fun with it. And if it's not legal,

535
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're going to do some backpack trips,

536
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: maybe you've got a really great trail system or some

537
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: Really I feel like anywhere in this anywhere there's elk it'

538
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: is almost better than Idaho for like traversing the mountains, right,

539
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the west, the west coast of

540
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, Oregon and Washington's pretty bad too. But yeah,

541
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: as far as the high country man Idaho, it is

542
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: pretty pretty rough. If you want to get out there,

543
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: maybe throw a nice you know, forty to fifty pound

544
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: pack on and back backpack in wait, you know, for

545
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: a few days, and set trail cameras and maybe Colorado

546
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: or Wyoming wherever that would be like really a really

547
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: good test to you know, give yourself some endurance and

548
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: give yourself some confidence to know you can you can

549
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: get through those mountains during September.

550
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally totally agree.

551
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to switch gears here. Had another message come

552
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: in to the email. It says, what kind of boots

553
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: do you guys recommend for el cunning And I don't

554
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: like to recommend a certain brand because everyone's feet are

555
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: so different. And then another thing is like a lot

556
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: of the high end boots they come with just kind

557
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: of a basic insoul that should be replaced. I've ran

558
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: anything for everything from Doctor shoals to those really cool

559
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: custom sheep feet that.

560
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna ask you. You've run those sheep feet,

561
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: haven't you?

562
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they're awesome. But I'll say that even the

563
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Doctor Shoals inserts are better than like what they put

564
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: in most shoes.

565
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

566
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: That question is going to segue in to what the

567
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: most important piece of gear is that you need for

568
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: this fall? And I think it kind of couples with

569
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: like the most important exercise you're going to do, right, Yeah,

570
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: you have to be able to walk to the elk. Well,

571
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: if you can't walk because your shoes are garbage or

572
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: your boots are garbage, then it's going to be really

573
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: hard to get up the mountain and get to those elks.

574
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: So you have to, you know, I always say, by

575
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: a pretty the best quality pair of boots you can afford.

576
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: I know everybody's got a little different budget, but try

577
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: on a few, wear them around the store. You know,

578
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: buy the best ones you can afford, because high quality

579
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: boots will definitely make the difference in the back country.

580
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

581
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: I I have said, and I feel like again, I

582
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: don't mean to sound like my grandpa always talking about

583
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: the military thing, but but I I have told people

584
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: on my show, the most critical piece of gear that

585
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: you that you go into the field with is going to.

586
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Be your boots. And I speak from a place of authority.

587
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: I was.

588
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: I was in the Marine Infantry and and there, and

589
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that there's anybody that walks more than

590
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: Marine infantry do. So I have run the the lowest

591
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: quality jungle boots in foreign places, and and I I

592
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: could just speak from a place of great confidence when

593
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: I tell you that your boots will make or break you.

594
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: And you want to make sure whatever boots. Like Dirk said,

595
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: getting the the best boots that you can afford is critical,

596
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: and I have I have my recommendation, but like Dirk said,

597
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: everybody's feet are different, and everybody's kind of you know,

598
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: their budgets are different and and whatnot, and so like,

599
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: get the best boots that you can you can afford,

600
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 3: and and make sure those boots are broke in and

601
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: you want to make sure they're waterproof, make sure they're

602
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: they're fitting tight. If if you wear a if you

603
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: wear a size.

604
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: Ten, tenis shoes.

605
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes hunting boots, you're gonna want to get like a

606
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: size eleven, but you don't want to get like a

607
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: size eleven and a half because then your feet are

608
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: gonna move around and and your feet get switty, and

609
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: it's like the socks are gonna rub your blisters completely

610
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: off and you're gonna be in a world to hurt.

611
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: And so uh, I do believe that boots.

612
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: This is always my number one recommendation when I get

613
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: gear questions is boots are the most critical item. And

614
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: I think second to that is having a good set

615
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: of socks to go into those boots. And I don't know, man,

616
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: what's your opinion. I for for me, nothing beats a

617
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: good wolf sock. What what what say you?

618
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

619
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: I agree? You know great, you know, good woll socks.

620
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I've ran the ones from Costco, I've ran the first

621
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: light wolf socks, I've run darn toughs Rent a lot

622
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: of different wolf socks and they're all great. They're they're

623
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: all better than tube socks. Yes, if you're the socks right, right,

624
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: But I have a buddy that I mean, that guy

625
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: could probably put duct taper out of shoe box and

626
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: walk around the mountains because he's just tough, right, But

627
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: I feel like the rest of us are not nearly

628
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: that tough. You know, take care of your feet. High

629
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: quality socks, whether whether you're buying the ones at Costco

630
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: or you know some really nice wolf socks from a

631
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: reputable company, that will that will save your bacon.

632
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: It will.

633
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you may not notice on day one and two,

634
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: but if you're on an extended hunt, if you're on

635
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: day nine and ten, that's when all these little things

636
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: really come to play. You know, if your feet are

637
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: still going good, feeling good, your boots are still comfortable,

638
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: they're dry, they're not you know, here's a funny story.

639
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I got a buddy, his dad. Him and his dad

640
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: went hunting and like on the second or third day

641
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: of season, his dad's soul of his boot letely fell off.

642
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, and luckily I always had some yeah, he

643
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: luckily he had some duct tape wrapped around his Nalgene bottle.

644
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: There's a pro tip. Always wrap some uh some duct

645
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: tape around your Nalgen bottle. I like the grilla tape best,

646
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: but wrap that around your your Nalgene bottle because it's

647
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: it's it's lightweight, it doesn't take it up any more

648
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: space in your pack. And you have tape because you

649
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: never know when you're kneeding tape maybe to tape your

650
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: solo your boot back on.

651
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man like, yeah, yeah, it's it's critical to have that.

652
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I that's that's actually a great idea. I've never done

653
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: it around the Nalgen bottle. I've actually I've actually taken

654
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: like a toilet paper roll and and run like I

655
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: don't know.

656
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Of a duct tape roll around that and pack in

657
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: my pack.

658
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that works too.

659
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great idea.

660
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: I have an anecdotal story about high quality boots. So

661
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: his rifle season Idaho, and I had a camp set up.

662
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: My good and my good high quality boots were out

663
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: of camp, but my son had a football game. So

664
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna stay in town tonight,

665
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: watch the football game, and just get up super early

666
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: in the morning to hit opening day. Well I've got

667
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: like a two and a half three hour drive, you know,

668
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: So I get up at I'm supposed to get up

669
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: at three. Well I get up at three thirty. So

670
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: now I'm late. So I'm hurrying around. I get up

671
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, well, I throw in these other

672
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: boots I had, and they were some Walmart specials. They

673
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: were Herman Survivors or some Wolverines or something, and you know,

674
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: for walking around flat country, they weren't bad. But I'm like, well,

675
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: I'll just wear these because I don't want to take

676
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the time to go thirty minutes out of the way

677
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: over to my camp and back to get my good boots.

678
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to be late. I want to

679
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: be in the spot on opening morning at first light.

680
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: So I get there, I got my crappy boots on.

681
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: I hike down in this hole and I'm like, all right,

682
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: it's just getting light. I start calling well, I start

683
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: calling those too soon, and a bull comes in and anyway,

684
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: I can see him, but I don't think it's safe

685
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: or maybe even legal quite yet to take the shot,

686
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: so I don't take the shot, and he he ski

687
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: daddles on out of there and anyway, but there's a

688
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: big bowl down in the bottom of the cannon. I

689
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: can just hear him rip in big bugle just so

690
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I start making my way down, like I start, you know,

691
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: going further and further and further down, and then and

692
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: then it starts getting really steep, and it gets to

693
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: the point where every step I take my sole on

694
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: my foot on my boot is rolling up over the

695
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: side of my foot and over the top and now

696
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: the bottom of my foot is just on the side

697
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: of the boot, like if you can imagine that. So

698
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: at this point I can't go any further because the

699
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: boots will not stay on my feet. I've I've laced

700
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: him up as absolutely tight as they possibly go, and

701
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: they still are just rolling up over the side of

702
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: my foot. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna call that

703
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: thing over to me. So I sat there all day

704
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: and that bowl bugled all day long, and we went

705
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: back and forth, and I sat there trying to call

706
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: him across and he never would come in. But if

707
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: i'd have been smart, yeah, and hindsight's twenty twenty, right,

708
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: if I'd have been smart, I would have hiked out

709
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: of there. I would have drove over to my camp,

710
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: grabbed my other boots, hike back down there, and shot him.

711
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: But you don't think of it. Sometimes you get kind

712
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: of caught in the mode and you're like, you don't

713
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: think of that kind of stuff.

714
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 3: But hell man, those are the supreme lessons learned. Brother,

715
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: I love it. I think one thing that I do

716
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: for foot care, I pack, and I don't care if

717
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm well. Most often I don't do a lot of

718
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: backcountry stuff where I'm spending a night in the back country.

719
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: You know, most often i'm day dripping, and I still

720
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: pack a pair of flip flops in the pack. And

721
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: what I do is I'll go out at first light,

722
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: and you know that time, there's like this hour for me,

723
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: and maybe you know you're between the two of us,

724
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: you are the pro man, so you tell me if

725
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: I'm off base. But I feel like there's this this

726
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: hour between like nine ten o'clockish, where where I just

727
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: don't have any luck calling bowls in I don't I

728
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: don't get any responses, or maybe they're responding, but they're moving.

729
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: And so I'll sit down, I'll take my boots and

730
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: my socks off, and I'll just I'll just kind of

731
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: relax for like an hour, and then then I go

732
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: into this midday madnessing, which is again of something I

733
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: really picked up on from you, and it happens to

734
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: be the most I don't know, it's the best time

735
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: for me, that that midday and right before sundown, and

736
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: then you know, you get through that and then you

737
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: have that that kind of late afternoon timeframe where there's

738
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: not a lot of things going on, and again, I'll

739
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: take my I'll take my boots off, I'll take my

740
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: socks off, let the socks kind of dry out. They've

741
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: been feet have been sweating, and I'll just I'll just

742
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: mill around for a minute.

743
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: But I've got my flip flops out there.

744
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't really weigh much to add a pair of

745
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: cheap flip flop in there, and it just the only

746
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 3: the only bummer part is I did have a bowl

747
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: pipe off one time when I was sitting there in

748
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: my flip flops and my my pants are rolled up,

749
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: you know, and I look like a total dork, and

750
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: I had I was like doing one of those peak

751
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: refuels or something like that in the in the jet boil.

752
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: And this bull starts bugling to my left. But he's

753
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: just trucking. He's like sidehill and trucking like I don't know,

754
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: fifty yards in front of me. I couldn't get up

755
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: fast enough to even respond with I couldn't find my

756
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: my bugle tube. It was under my pack, and so

757
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't go after him because I did have my

758
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: flip flops on. But I do do that, and it

759
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: goes a long way to help dry your feet out.

760
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: And keeping your feet dry is critical, and that's that's

761
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: why waterproof boots are super important. But also after you've

762
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: been sweating for a while, man, try those socks out

763
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: and keep an extra pair of socks in your pack,

764
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: and it just it goes a long way to helping

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: your feet out.

766
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I agree, one hundred percent. Another thing a guy needs

767
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: to take a look at, or gal needs to take

768
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a look at, is your bow right. You need to

769
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: make sure your strings are good. You need to make

770
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: sure your your cams are still straight in a line,

771
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: make sure it's still tuned. If you don't know how to,

772
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, take a look at that stuff. Take it

773
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: to your local pro shop and let them go give

774
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: it a once over. I know guys that'll take their

775
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: bow in every year and have it gone through, whether

776
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: they take a take apart the wheels and the axles

777
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: and and clean them and grease them and and they

778
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: tune them. They make sure they make sure the drop

779
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: away rest is running right. Those drop away rests, I mean,

780
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: they're amazing, but they and they can take a lot

781
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: of abuse no matter what brand you have. But I've

782
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: found that my mind can get dirty and that can

783
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: start causing little quirky things with them. So you know,

784
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: whether you do it yourself, you know you need to

785
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: make me. Need to take it apart, clean it, put

786
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: it back together. Just make sure your bow is shooting darts,

787
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: just shooting perfect holes through paper and tuned right. Because

788
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: that way, I'm a segue right into broadheads. That way

789
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: your broadheads fly right. If your arrows flying fish flopping

790
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: through the air with your broad heads on something mat right,

791
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you need to get your bow tuned, and then make

792
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: sure all your broadheads and all your arrows are all

793
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: the same weight. Jim and I had a funny conversation

794
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: the other day about about, you know, arrows and stuff.

795
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: But I have a buddy that he drew once in

796
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: a lifetime moose tag and long story short, he got

797
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: close to the moose and he pulls back and he

798
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: shoots every single arrow he has at the bowl and

799
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't touch it. Oh no, And he's in the

800
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: bowl finally wanderings off and I'm like, what the heck.

801
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I don't know what could it be.

802
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: And he's like, I've been shooting my bow all summer

803
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: and it's just shooting great with field points. And I said, well,

804
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: did you ever target practice with your broadheads? Well? No,

805
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to dole them up, he says. I'm like, well,

806
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: what kind are they? He's like, well, I got a

807
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: couple of these, and a couple of those, and two

808
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: or three of these. And the buddy gave me some

809
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: of these arrows that had something on him. I didn't

810
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: even know what the brand was. It turns out he

811
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: had a hodge podge of arrows and broadheads. None of

812
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: them were match matching weight, matching, spine matching broad head.

813
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: I'm guilty of that man from like ten twelve years ago.

814
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding.

815
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: Yet, Like yeah Eastman's arrow mixed with a Walmart arrol.

816
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you just it's just so critical for you

817
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: to hit your target and then do a good job

818
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: to make sure all your components are are the right ones,

819
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: right yep. And then elk calls you know, you know,

820
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: of course I'm in the elk call business. But make

821
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: sure you have you know, a handful of them in

822
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: your pocket. I liked, I don't. I don't like to

823
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: put in my pocket. What I like to do is

824
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: keep them in a little call pouch. It hangs around

825
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: my neck, keeps some organized, keeps them dry. Then I

826
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: put a couple on my pack, and then I have

827
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: a couple back at camp because that way, no matter

828
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: what if I if I and I've done this, I've forgotten.

829
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: I've taken my uh my little little pouch off at

830
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: the truck or whatever and left it, you know, yeah

831
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you get over, you know, two or

832
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: three miles from the truck and you're like, oh, where's

833
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: my ouk calls. Well, I've got some on my pack,

834
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: or let's say you've lost something, or maybe your buddy's

835
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: lost his his calls. You've got some of your pack,

836
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: or you've got some in your truck. You know you've

837
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: you're always prepared. So and trust me, a lot of

838
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: these places where I've hunted out, you can sometimes be

839
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: eighty or one hundred miles from the local, the nearest

840
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: town that would even sell anything that looked like an

841
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: out call, and it may or may not be the

842
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: type or brand that you'd like to use. So you

843
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: may get desperate and by something that just doesn't work right.

844
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: So I want to make sure you got it.

845
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: You know what I found, man, is so I'll keep.

846
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: I'll keep, like I'm I'm a big fan of these Mavericks,

847
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: and oh yeah, I'll keep.

848
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: I'll keep. I've got that pouch.

849
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 3: Actually I need to check and make sure I didn't

850
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: burn that sucker down in.

851
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: That truck fire I had last year. But I keep

852
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: like three or four in there.

853
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: And then what I do you know, I'm like you,

854
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: I've got a couple in the pack, a couple in

855
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: my truck. You know, I've always got a bunch but

856
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: what I do is I'll use I'll use one of

857
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: those reads all morning and then I'll put it back

858
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: in the pouch and let it dry and grab another one.

859
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: And I found that, like you get this perfect stretch

860
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: instead of just using one until you wear it out,

861
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: You get a lot of life out of these reads

862
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: by just kind of rotating them through the day. I'll

863
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: have three or four of them in that pouch, and

864
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: I'll probably use all three or four of them throughout

865
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: the day, and and that it just kind of I

866
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: don't know, they tend to sound better, like you have

867
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: more control over them.

868
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

869
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do the same thing. Yeah, because when you

870
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: take you take all you take. Let's say you have

871
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: three of them in there. You take three brand new diaphragms,

872
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: and if you slowly use them throughout the day, trade

873
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: spots with them, your break all of them in at

874
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: the same right right and when they get to that

875
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: sweet spot, which they usually don's very reliable. And then

876
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: a dry diaphragm is always going to perform better than

877
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: a wet, soggy one. So by doing that, you're you're

878
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: keeping your diaphragms crisp and dry and they're gonna last

879
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: longer and and they're gonna sound better. So no, you're

880
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: you're right your spot on there.

881
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well I I've you know, it's funny. I've

882
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: been meaning to ask you about that for like two seasons.

883
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: But that's what I've been doing. And I that sweet

884
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: spot that you finally get to after after you know,

885
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: using it for a little bit. Man, what once you

886
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: do hit that sweet spot, you can maintain it by

887
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: keeping that thing dry and swapping them out like all September,

888
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: and they sound terrific.

889
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: Yep, they sound better, last better.

890
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure.

891
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: So one thing I see people still using these things

892
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, you gotta do something different is

893
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: meat bags. So the cheese cloth type, you know, the

894
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: ones that are super cheap you get you can get

895
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: four or five of them for like twelve bucks or

896
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: whatever they are. Gosh, do yourself a favor and do

897
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: not use those kind of meatbags. I've had to actually

898
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: flies blow right through those things. Get some. You know,

899
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: there's lots of brands out there of the synthetic high

900
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: quality game bags. The cloth is Antrai microbial and they

901
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: were usable. You know, they're kind of expensive, you know,

902
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: I've you can spend anywhere from forty bucks to eighty

903
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: bucks for a set of these high quality synthetic meatbags.

904
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: But if you take care of them, you know, make

905
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: sure you clean them up after the hunt. I just

906
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: machine wash mine, you know, bleach and some of that

907
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: stuff that Willie May's or Billy Mays used to advertise,

908
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: what is that stuff? Oh oxy clean?

909
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, I was totally

910
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 2: drawn a blank.

911
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: But anyway, I wash them with that stuff and I've

912
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: used them for multiple years, so so and then your

913
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: your meat stays clean, it stays delicious. And that's the

914
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: number one thing we don't want to We don't want

915
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: our meat to go bad.

916
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

917
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: I think I think sixty bucks on a set of

918
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: game bags is kind of that sweet spot. And make

919
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: like I have a set in my my pack right now.

920
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: I've had two bears and a and a big white

921
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: tail in that particular set, and they've been washed each

922
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: time and they're still in the bag ready to go.

923
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: And then I have a backup set the same pair.

924
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: I think they're the ones I got from the Elk Collective.

925
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: Guys and and and those those ones, I just wash

926
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: them and man, they're they're good as new. Uh, they

927
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: keep like you said those Have you ever have you

928
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: ever like dropped a meat bag, those old cheese cloth

929
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: ones and it falls in the dirt and like you

930
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: can never get that dirt off.

931
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, pine needles.

932
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: And next thing you know, you're you're getting home and

933
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: you're like having to cut some of that meat out

934
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 3: because it's all dirty. Doesn't happen with these higher end meatbags.

935
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: I think, I think that's that's a good point you

936
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: bring it up. I didn't even think to talk about meatbags.

937
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely. And as far as gear, you know, the

938
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: last thing I'd like to talk about is as a

939
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: medkit or a first aid kit. Everybody says, well, make

940
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 1: sure you get a medkit, and but nobody really tells

941
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: you what to put in a medkit, right, yeah, Well

942
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: what if you buy If you just go buy one

943
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: off the shelf somewhere, most of the time, it's going

944
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: to have some aspirin in it, some antiseptic salve, and

945
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: a couple of band aids, and you know it's just

946
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: some you know, basic things like that if you cut

947
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: your finger at home. But this is life or death

948
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: type situation stuff, so it's good to know what's in

949
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: those things. And I met a guy at Elks Camp

950
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a few years ago. His name is Jimmy Greenwalt. Oh yeah,

951
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and I call him Jimmy Kits because he builds these

952
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: little medkits. And Jimmy, you've had him on your podcast.

953
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: He's he's the real deal, you know, he's he was

954
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: a combat medic and.

955
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: His Special Forces combat medic multiple tours. Like the dude

956
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: knows how to patch people up.

957
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's seen it all from as bad as it

958
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: can get. He's seen it and and cope and dealt

959
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: with it and saved lives. And he said his number

960
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: one thing to put in the bed. I'm just gonna

961
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: read off the things that he puts in his medkit

962
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: and then I recommend you should have in years too.

963
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: Number one thing he says is a tourniquet. And you

964
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: hear a lot of bad press about tourniquets, right, people like, oh, yeah,

965
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: never use a tournique unless you really really have to,

966
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: because you'll probably lose your limb if you apply the tourniquet.

967
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: But he's like, I've put lots of tourniquets on a

968
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of people and they didn't loser limb. He's like,

969
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: but you have to. He's like, number one, you have

970
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: to stop that massive blood loss immediately. So a tourniquet.

971
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: That's his number one thing in the kit.

972
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: I think his kids come with like two or three

973
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: different types of tourniquets too, So yeah, yeah, or sizes.

974
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I think you can pick. Then he's got

975
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: a you know, compression gauze, a vented chest seal pack.

976
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: I say, you, you know you puncture a hole in

977
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: your your chest. I mean you're gonna need to seal

978
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: that thing up, elastic bandage wrapped to keep that compression

979
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: gaus on better, A sam splint, so you break a bone, broke,

980
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: break fingers, break something, You'll need that splint to help

981
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, things back in place. And then

982
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: reinforcement tape. You know that tape you can wrap it

983
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: around that splint or wrap it around other things, other wounds,

984
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: to help keep your bandages in place. Mole skin of course,

985
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: just for your basic injury to your feet. Remember what

986
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: we talked about your feet. You have to be able

987
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: to walk right well, some of us even with high

988
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: quality boots. Someone's just got weird feet and you're gonna

989
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: get some blisters during elk season. So if you got

990
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: that mole skin, you put that on your on your feet.

991
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, he sells all these kids online for about

992
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bucks if you don't want to

993
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: access them yourself, but you can go and you can

994
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: go piecemeal these things together very easily yourself on Amazon

995
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: or your local pharmacy. A lot of these things, I

996
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: don't know if you can get a tourniquet on there,

997
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: probably not. You have to probably get that online somewhere.

998
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, the key is you don't you don't want

999
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: thirty five different band aids. You don't need, you know,

1000
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: all these different types of medications unless you're specifically for

1001
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: some you know, you know, if you if you've.

1002
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Got these prescribed here or whatever.

1003
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: That why I like those Jimmy kits is because they're

1004
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: super light and they're super functional, and those are the

1005
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: things you think in trauma. You don't need a sea callar,

1006
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 3: you don't need you don't need all these goofy things

1007
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: that I've seen a lot of these kids come with.

1008
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: You just need to, Like I took emt school Now

1009
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: this is like almost twenty years ago, so bear with me.

1010
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, stop the bleeding, start the breathing,

1011
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: and call for help. That that's kind of what you

1012
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: want to have in your mind when you're when you're

1013
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: packing for the back countries. You want to be able

1014
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: to stop the breathing, start the breathing.

1015
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: Did I say that?

1016
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: Did I say that the right way, start the breathing,

1017
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: stop the bleeding, Because in the Marines it was the opposite.

1018
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, you stop or you start the bleeding and

1019
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: you stop the breathing. But then when you're when you

1020
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: when you're talking about this EMS stuff and the EMT

1021
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: kit or first aid kit, it's just, you know, simplicity

1022
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 3: is best. You want to stop that bleeding and start

1023
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: the breathing. And you know, I was throwing like eyberprofen

1024
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: or something like that, but uh, nothing nothing else really sure.

1025
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but really the things are going to save your

1026
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: life you really want to have.

1027
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1028
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I don't know if this falls

1029
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: in line, but some kind of satellite emergency phone or

1030
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: or GPS that that connects I have one of those

1031
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 3: Zolio things just bluetooth off my phone, so I could

1032
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: text people yes and and that kind of stuff. You know,

1033
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: that way they'll have your exact location if you do

1034
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: fall down a cliff face, break both your legs and

1035
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: you need help getting.

1036
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Out of there. I think that's that's a critical piece

1037
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: of gear.

1038
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And it gives you, know, your family at home,

1039
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, a peace of mind to know that you're okay,

1040
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of times that gives you some staying power.

1041
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: In the back country, you get to miss in your family,

1042
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: and if you have to contact them, then you start

1043
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: worrying about them and stuff. But if you if you're

1044
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: able to, you know, send messages back and forth, and

1045
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: then your family knows you're safe, and you know they're

1046
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: good doing good and and they can give you know,

1047
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, they can root for you from the other side.

1048
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times my wife will will

1049
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: give me that little extra encourage. Sometimes I'll get kind

1050
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: of kind of poudy on a hunt a little bench.

1051
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: She'll be, oh, yeah, this is what always happens, right,

1052
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: You're always going to have the lowest of lows, and

1053
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: then you know, you get that little pep talk, you know,

1054
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: and then before the high to heist come you have

1055
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: to have those lows and you know, so she'll give

1056
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: me a little pep pops sometimes if I'm feeling poopy.

1057
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: And but those those things make all the difference, you know.

1058
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Or maybe you need a phone a friend, Maybe you

1059
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: need a text a buddy and have some help. Last fall,

1060
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: I killed a bowl and messaged a good buddy in

1061
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: mine and and he was in the area and he's like, oh,

1062
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: I'll come help you pack. So and I would have

1063
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: been happy to pack my bully by myself, but you know,

1064
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: why do it if if you have another if you

1065
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: have a friend that'll come help. So yeah, man, we

1066
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: made short work of that bowl and and it was

1067
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: so so much appreciated so well. I wor the squeeze there.

1068
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: I had messaged you at one point because I hit

1069
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: a bowl like and it was a bad shot, and

1070
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: I was trying to get your opinion on what I

1071
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: was seeing with the blood trail and and I had

1072
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: missaged you, and you helped me kind of determine, you know,

1073
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: whether or not I was going to find that bowl

1074
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: and so stuff like that. You know, it's just it's

1075
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 3: just always good to have that communication. Like I said,

1076
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: keep in touch with the family, emergencies, friends, help and

1077
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: packing you know whatever.

1078
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really should, you know, go to your

1079
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: hunt planning for You should plan for success, but you

1080
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: should plan for you know, disaster too. So that's where

1081
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: your tuck comes in, right. Your truck a lot of

1082
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: times is your lifeline out of the back country, so

1083
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure that thing's in tip top shape.

1084
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, don't don't don't go to the back country

1085
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: with a bunch of lights blinking on the dash. You know,

1086
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: let's say, if you're a long waist from home and

1087
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere where somebody can't help you out. Tires, I mean, boy, howdie,

1088
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: do I know what I'm Last year?

1089
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: I had all that issues with last year with tires.

1090
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I usually try to try to keep really

1091
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: good tires on my my stuff. But you know, even

1092
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: with good tires, you can have issues. So make sure

1093
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: you got the appropriate tires, you know, heavy duty to

1094
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: imply tires. Make sure your battery is clean and strong,

1095
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: and you don't want to have battery issues and have

1096
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: to be walking back to camp. I've been there with

1097
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: a friend and it's in. It sucks the like hike

1098
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: all day and hunt all day, your guts out, and

1099
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: then get to the truck and the truck won't start,

1100
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: and then you have to hike another four to six

1101
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: miles back to camp. That's no good. Yeah, chains, chains

1102
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: for your tires. Last fall, Phelps had this tag for Washington,

1103
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: the Blue Mountains of Washington, and to come a big

1104
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: snow and geez when we were trying to get out there,

1105
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: he had to chain up all four tires on his truck.

1106
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh geez, he wouldn't. If he wouldn't have had those chains,

1107
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have got out of there.

1108
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

1109
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: It was just that the snow and on the road

1110
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: was just the right temperature. It was just like snot.

1111
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, it was like this most slickest snow

1112
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: like snot. Just like you said. And yeah, the chains

1113
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: made all the difference. It wasn't like we were bucking

1114
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: snow drifts. We were just trying to stay on the road.

1115
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: So and then make sure your spare tires got air

1116
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: in it, you know, toe straps if you suck at

1117
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: driving and slide off the road a lot, or do

1118
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: you want to be a good Samaritan and pull somebody

1119
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: else out.

1120
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: It's always the ones that suck at driving, that need

1121
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: to need to get pulled out, that don't have a

1122
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: toe strap on them too.

1123
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: Man, everybody needs.

1124
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, everybody needs one, not just not just the

1125
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: guys that are good or bad. Everybody needs And then

1126
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: here's something I'd like to talk about. So let's say

1127
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: you're traveling from from You're gonna hunt out of town,

1128
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: somewhere out of state maybe or long long ways from home,

1129
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: so you have to transport meat from a long from

1130
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: a long distance. And this was a question from Instagram.

1131
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: How soon do I need to get my elk meat

1132
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: out and then do a cooler and then how do

1133
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: I get it home? So well, first off, the first

1134
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: number one thing is is you want to get your

1135
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: elk skinned out right away, right as soon as you

1136
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: as soon as you recover it, you get your pictures

1137
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: and stuff, get to work skin in that thing. You

1138
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: don't want to let it sit out on a hot

1139
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: hill side with the height on it. Right. I saw

1140
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: a YouTube video the other day have a very popular YouTuber.

1141
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: He was he was cutting the quarters off and leaving

1142
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: the hair on them. But it was September. I wouldn't

1143
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: recommend that. I would I would recommend make sure you

1144
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: get the hide off those quarters because that height is

1145
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: very and hair is very insulating to that meat. You

1146
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: want it to build it cool really quickly, so get

1147
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: the hide off, then cut the quarters off, put them

1148
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: in your bags, get it hanging. If you can't hang

1149
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: it in a tree, maybe prop it up on some

1150
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: logs with some other little sticks so that you can

1151
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: get airflow underneath of it and on top of it.

1152
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: I just want to get that stuff off the animal

1153
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: and in the shade as quick as you can. And

1154
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: sometimes that means, you know, maybe you're on a open, dry,

1155
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: hot hillside and you're going to have to pack the

1156
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: help meet the opposite direction downhill down into a wet

1157
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: drawer or a cool shaded draw. That's what you may

1158
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: have to do, just because you want to make sure

1159
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: that meat doesn't go bad. You can't let it sit

1160
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: out on that hot hillside in the blazing sun. Get

1161
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: it down the draw, that cool area in the draw,

1162
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: and the shade cool your meat. Last year, for instance,

1163
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: I killed my bowl. It was pretty much in the

1164
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: middle of the day, and it's New Mexico and it's hot,

1165
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: right it's probably eighty degrees in the middle of the day,

1166
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: and so Dustiny I go to work. We get this

1167
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: thing boned out, or not boned out, but quartered up,

1168
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: and it's still hot out. But luckily we had like

1169
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: the only shady spot and on this big hill, on

1170
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: this big flat top of a hill. So we have

1171
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: this thing hanging in the shade. And I told Dusty,

1172
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I think. I think we'll

1173
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: just keep this stuff in the shade with the air

1174
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: blowing on it. You know, it's not cool air, but

1175
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: it's better than being out in the hot, blazing sun.

1176
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: And if we were to start packing now we get

1177
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: back to the truck, there's not good shade at the truck.

1178
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't have my coolers with me with that

1179
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: are pretty cool with ice. Then I put my warm

1180
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: meat into a hot cooler or I have to leave

1181
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: it in the sun by the truck. We're better off

1182
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: to just let it cool. We'll take a break after

1183
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: we've you know, after you break down an elk, you

1184
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: need a break. Anyway, Let's just wait till this evening. Once,

1185
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: once things cool off a little bit and the sun

1186
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: goes down, then we'll start packing. And that's just what

1187
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: we did. And man I'll tell you it makes it

1188
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: so much easier to pack elk once it's once the

1189
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: sun's kind of gone down, it's not so hot for you,

1190
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: and it's not so hot for the elk meat, and

1191
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: your your meat's had a good chance to have air

1192
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: circulate around it for you know, most of the day,

1193
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: and then packing at night. You can pack elk meat

1194
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: at nighttime, which is which is awesome if you have

1195
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: a head lamp and a flashlight, if you're prepared, it

1196
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: can be really fun because bugs aren't an issue, unless

1197
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: you got mosquitoes around. But bugs aren't an issue. It's

1198
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: usually a lot cooler, and then you're not burning daylight, right,

1199
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: you can get that bull packed out in the dark,

1200
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: and then you can get up early the next day

1201
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: if you're tough like Jim, and go hunt the next

1202
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: day for your buddy.

1203
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: Wrong, Jim, you're the wrong.

1204
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: You're taking the next day off.

1205
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: Depends on how far it was.

1206
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a great idea, actually that because there's

1207
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, how you pack meat back to the truck

1208
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and it's still like midday or late

1209
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: afterno or early afternoon or whatever, and there's that that

1210
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: stress in your gut that that that feeling that you have. Man,

1211
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: I am just worried about this meat, and and it

1212
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: just alleviates that. And and I just I like worry

1213
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: about meat a lot, a lot more than probably I should.

1214
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: But uh, I don't know.

1215
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: I was listening to some somebody talk, some meat scientists

1216
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: talking about how long he lets his meat hang and whatnot,

1217
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: and I just that's not my thing.

1218
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: I I for for me, I need that meat cooled.

1219
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: I need it. I need it in the shade. I

1220
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: need it gone, uh into into the cooler.

1221
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: And I like to get at home as fast as

1222
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: I can so I can process it or or drop

1223
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: it off at a process or you know, whichever way

1224
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm going there, because I I just stress about it.

1225
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh. I know it's so so important to make sure

1226
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: that you get the meat out, and I always stress

1227
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: about it too. Mm hmm, Well, Jim, do you have

1228
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: any last words? I think we need to wrap this

1229
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: thing up. Do you have any last words?

1230
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1231
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: The one thing that I always like to have people

1232
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: come away with these episodes, these types of episodes with

1233
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: like just key takeaways, you know what I mean, just

1234
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: key takeaways where if you you don't have to be

1235
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: some high performance athlete, but you do need to work

1236
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: at it. Don't don't sit on the couch all year

1237
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: and then get up on August thirty first and hit

1238
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: expecting to go ten miles into the back country in

1239
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: Colorado or something. You know, be realistic with with what

1240
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: your expectations are.

1241
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: And but also be gritty. Elk hunting is is freaking hard.

1242
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: Like, be gritty when you think you're wore out and

1243
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: you're tired, you know, maybe take five minutes, but get

1244
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: back after it. Get get after those elk if they're

1245
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: if they're if they're moving further, then you think what

1246
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 3: is possible for you to move after them with You

1247
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: might surprise yourself go after them. Just just keep at it,

1248
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: be gritty, get out there and work towards it. Because

1249
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: this is I think we live in a society where

1250
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 3: we have this this high level of comfort around us.

1251
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, we can we can call an Uber eats

1252
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: or whatever if you live in town, I can't, but

1253
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: you can call a pizza delivery and have food delivered

1254
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: in fifteen minutes or whatever.

1255
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: It's free.

1256
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: And we have this mentality where things can just come

1257
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: naturally and easily and that's just not elk hunting. And

1258
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: elk hunting is for people that like that self reliance

1259
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: and that grittiness and that toughness and and that challenge

1260
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: to go out and get something done. And uh, you know,

1261
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: I think that that that mentality, having that mentality with

1262
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: the level of difficulty and understanding how hard it is,

1263
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,959
Speaker 3: that's those are the people that get in front of elk.

1264
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: And and I think that that's important for everybody to understand.

1265
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: Whether you're you live out west or you're coming out

1266
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: west to hunt elk, I don't know. I think that's

1267
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: that's my biggest message might takeaway for folks.

1268
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, that's that's very good, you know. And

1269
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to say, you know, the better

1270
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: shape you're in to go hunt elk, the funner it's

1271
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: going to be, right if if you're if you can

1272
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: move a quicker, you know, through the mountains with with

1273
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: relatively a lot more ease, it's going to be a

1274
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: fun funner hunt, you know, definitely, definitely. So I'm not

1275
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: going to say, you know, you shouldn't have a good

1276
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: level of physical fitness to hunt elk, but I will

1277
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: also say, you know, you should also not let that

1278
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: hold you back, like if you don't, if you're not

1279
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: some elite athlete, get in good walking shape, get to

1280
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: where you can lift you know, a heavy load, you know,

1281
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 1: an elk quarter, an average out quarters on a five

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Speaker 1: to small spicks six point boos. But bowl is about

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Speaker 1: sixty five pounds, so fifty five pounds plus your pack,

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Speaker 1: you're looking about eighty pound pack. Be able to pick

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Speaker 1: that off the ground and put it on the tailgate

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01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: of your truck, you know, you know, whether you don't

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Speaker 1: have a fancy gym to go to, maybe that heavy

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: pack you were you were packing earlier, you know, pick

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Speaker 1: it up off the ground, set it on your truck,

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: back and forth a few times. You know. Don't overdo it,

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Speaker 1: don't kill yourself, but build some build some muscle that

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Speaker 1: way too, build some strength in the last days before

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Speaker 1: you're hunt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but probably my biggest takeaway is like being prepared,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and getting organized will help you have

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Speaker 1: a successful hunt. So make a list, check it three

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Speaker 1: times everything that you could possibly need for your hunt,

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Speaker 1: and you'll probably have your panic pack moment like me,

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Speaker 1: Like you'll have all your stuff and then the last

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Speaker 1: few hours before you leave to go hunting. You'll be

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Speaker 1: running around the house like a like a chicken, whether

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: your head chopped off, throw it like, oh I need

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Speaker 1: some of this. Oh better grab one of those. Oh crap,

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01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: there's an extra charger. Oh but you know, just all

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: this stupid random stuff that you probably will never use

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Speaker 1: once you get there.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I have bins of hunting here that I just

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Speaker 3: throw in the back on my truck and I never

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Speaker 3: even touch them.

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Speaker 2: But if I needed them, man, they're there, right. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: And and uh, you know, I I think I think

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Speaker 3: you nailed it when you said, you know, the more

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Speaker 3: fun you have, the more you're gonna get out of

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Speaker 3: elk hunting.

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Speaker 2: And and and that's the key.

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Speaker 3: You go out there and have fun, enjoy, enjoy this

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Speaker 3: experience with with these wild things that are gigantic with

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Speaker 3: giant horns on their head and screaming at you. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's nothing will connect you to nature like communicating with

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Speaker 3: a with a big elk, you know. And and so

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Speaker 3: uh yeah, it's it's it's it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. And I'd like to remind the listeners

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Speaker 1: if you have a question that you'd like us to

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Speaker 1: answer on here, you can send an email to C T.

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Speaker 1: D at Phelps Game Calls dot com. We'll read your

1328
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: question on air and answered the best we can. And

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Speaker 1: if you really want to take things to the next level,

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Speaker 1: I have a Google Voice phone number you can call,

1331
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: and by calling that number, you can call in and

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: leave a message, and make sure your message is three

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01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: minutes or less or it'll get cut off and I

1334
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: will play your message on air and then I will

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Speaker 1: answer your message the best of my ability. So that

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Speaker 1: phone number, the super secret phone number, is two zero

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: eight two one nine seven to seven zero one. And

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I'll look forward to your calls. I've done

1339
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: this before with my old podcast, and I've got some

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01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: goofy messages and I've got some really good questions. So

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Speaker 1: we're always always looking to have a good time here.

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: So please do a call in or send us an

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01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: email with your questions, and uh you know, just remember

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Speaker 1: monsters are coming and I think that'll be about it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Jim, appreciate you coming on the podcast.

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Then we should do this again sometime soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, man, thanks for having me on. Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I can get on your sometime.

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Speaker 2: You should. You should for like the tenth time.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to have you back, brother, I'd never get

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: sick of it.

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Speaker 1: It's always my plaguer. Thanks Jim,