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Speaker 1: Coming from the Southeastern Wildlife X Phil. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. I'm sitting down with my good friend and

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Speaker 1: veterinarian badass, ruth Anne Lobos, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about when it's time to seek out some professional

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Speaker 1: help while you're working with your dog. So this podcast

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Speaker 1: came up because I know a bunch of people in

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Speaker 1: the dog industry.

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Speaker 2: I've known ruth Anne a long time.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed her on my previous podcast, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have some misconceptions about when they should like

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Speaker 1: enlist some help for their dogs. And so there's various

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Speaker 1: aspects of this, right veterinarian health, there's professional trainers, there's

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Speaker 1: just people who know their stuff. I wanted to sit

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Speaker 1: down with ruth Ann at this show to just talk

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Speaker 1: about this aspect of dog ownership. So that's what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do right now. It's so good to see you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: even though your husband likes to give me shit about

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Speaker 1: missing dear on films sometimes things like that, I always love.

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Speaker 2: To see you.

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Speaker 1: I see you everywhere on social media now, and recently

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Speaker 1: you got into a little trouble on social media for

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Speaker 1: something that I would view as totally innocuous and smart.

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Speaker 1: But the trolls came out after you over what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we recently got a wire hair pointing Griffon puppy,

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Speaker 3: my very first dog puppy that I've had in over

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Speaker 3: twenty years, a pointing breed. Not ever had a pointing breed.

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Speaker 3: So I decided that for her best interest, she was

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Speaker 3: going to go off to we call it bird dog school,

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Speaker 3: So she was going to a professional trainer. And I still,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm softie, and so I made this cute

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Speaker 3: little reel of journey going off to hunting school and

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Speaker 3: posted it in a group that I thought would be

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Speaker 3: really sympathetic to sending your dog off to hunting school.

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Speaker 3: And it was quite the opposite. I was told that

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Speaker 3: I was taking the short way out. I was missing

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Speaker 3: the best part of being a bird dog owner. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, shouldn't trust any trainer that I can't see

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Speaker 3: what they're doing all the time.

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Speaker 1: And did these people assume that you went to Craigslist

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Speaker 1: and picked the first trainer that you found and sent

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Speaker 1: your dog away.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe I was just I was so blown away,

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Speaker 3: and I tried to I think, like probably most people

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Speaker 3: who are defending their choices in life. I tried to

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Speaker 3: kind of give the rationalization of I travel for work,

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Speaker 3: so I'm gone, you know, sometimes to three weeks a month.

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Speaker 3: We live in Boulder, Colorado, so it's a little bit

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Speaker 3: challenging to find good hunting grounds in a short period

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Speaker 3: of time to train her on. And we specifically selected

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Speaker 3: her because of her high drive and her genetics of

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Speaker 3: success in the hunting world. So I was like, if

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Speaker 3: I don't seek professional training for her, like, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do a disservice to all of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: we got her, and that only fired up the trolls

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Speaker 3: even more. So I decided to just rein it back

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Speaker 1: So I want to be I know you at a

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Speaker 1: level that the audience probably doesn't, So I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to contextualize this for a second. You went

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Speaker 1: to school for a few years to learn about dogs, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you know, four years of undergrad and

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Speaker 3: four years of veterinary school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have studied this. You understand dogs. You've

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Speaker 1: been running dogs a long time, and you went out

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Speaker 1: and you got a griff, something new, something different to try.

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Speaker 1: You recognize that there's probably a hole in your game

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Speaker 1: or some of these big like formative things that screw

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Speaker 1: if you try to get them back, you're in for

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Speaker 1: a real process. Yes, so you did the adult thing

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Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm going to seek out a professional

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Speaker 1: for this aspect. It wasn't like you weren't training this

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Speaker 1: these big things and people they look at that like

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Speaker 1: that is sort of a cop out or you're taking

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Speaker 1: an inappropriate, irresponsible route there with your dog. Where if

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Speaker 1: you interviewed, I mean obviously professional trainers would come into

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Speaker 2: No, No, that is.

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Speaker 1: There's such a lesson there and I know people are

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Speaker 1: you're a prime candidate to take that dog as far

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: But if you're unsure of you know, we use the

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Speaker 1: gunfire intro thing a lot. If you're unsure of that

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Speaker 1: and you don't do that process correctly, you have probably

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Speaker 2: Bird dog absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And I will add in there like the dogs also

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Speaker 3: they're going to feed off of that energy, which then

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Speaker 1: Right, I think we are, So I would I'm in

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Speaker 1: a stereotype here, okay, because I've dealt with a few

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Speaker 1: people and you can just be more honest, and you

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Speaker 1: find out everybody's family screwed up, and everybody deals with

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Speaker 1: addiction and anxiety and stress and depression, and that's why

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Speaker 1: bark's NonStop from separation anxiety when I'm gone. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And we were just talking. You were over at the

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Speaker 1: see it's fun, Like it's fun, right, see that dog

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Speaker 1: that's losing its mind. But you also see, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the human aspect where people are now there's all the

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Speaker 1: different scenario where you can make a mistake just emotionally

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Speaker 1: in the moment, yea change the arc of that dog's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's fascinating here, I will say of watching

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Speaker 3: it has been a fascinating sort of microcosm of watching

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Speaker 3: and I've watched several people who are so engaged watching

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Speaker 3: opportunities for us to watch not only how our behavior

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We literally watched that yesterday where there was a yellow

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to shit on these people or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Just just to be aware that we often look at

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's as people, right, Like what can

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Speaker 2: Really well? Is it not going to embarrass me when

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Speaker 1: Whatever, But really it's like what are they going to

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Speaker 2: This wasn't for me just to take the easy way out.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you pay more, your dog goes away, you

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Speaker 3: Right, but there's a there's a high likelihood. I've already

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Speaker 3: had the pep talk with my son, who will be

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Speaker 2: Not good for her. Right.

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Speaker 1: where people will decide that they know, like we're going

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Speaker 1: it some glucosamine supplements and we're done, and I go,

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Speaker 1: you're not qualified probably to make that call, or just

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Speaker 1: an objective look at a dog's health, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the number one issue we're dealing with right now

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Speaker 1: is obesity and dogs.

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Speaker 2: And do people want to hear that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, they no, they do not.

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Speaker 3: I will say, though I have had and maybe it's

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Speaker 3: a different demographic that comes through here at Seawee in

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Speaker 3: There's also I feel like there's whether it's post COVID

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Speaker 3: or just how insane the world seems to be, there's

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Speaker 3: a bit of a more focus on like wellness and

437
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Speaker 3: he like mental health and all of that, and just

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Speaker 3: knowing that key piece that our dogs play in all

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Speaker 3: of that, I think does help to kind of elevate

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Speaker 3: the relationship with the with the dog and you know,

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Speaker 3: and also just there then also ladders into their overall

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Speaker 3: health and well being.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel I feel like you do see

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Speaker 1: a lot of overweight dogs, and you see a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are like pretty defensive about it. But

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Speaker 1: I also feel like you see this whole other side

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Speaker 1: of it where people are like, I know my dog

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Speaker 1: needs this kind of exercise, and I know my dog

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Speaker 1: needs this kind of mental stimuli or stimulation like and

451
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Speaker 1: and they're like leveling up that relationship and giving the

452
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Speaker 1: dog a lot more than even you know, like you

453
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Speaker 1: mentioned fifty years ago that dog was in a kennel

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Speaker 1: in the backyard and that dog was a tool to

455
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Speaker 1: flushbirds and you fed it, maybe ran it once a

456
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Speaker 1: day or something, but it was not a part of

457
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Speaker 1: it wasn't in your house, part of your life, right,

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Speaker 1: like a pseudo family member kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: It was different.

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Speaker 1: And so we've we've definitely changed, and of course you

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Speaker 1: get the bad with it, where people are like that's

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Speaker 1: fur baby, it's just like a human, yeah, which is unfortunate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you also have the other side where people can

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Speaker 1: seek out like people who are genuinely into their dogs

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Speaker 1: and want them to have a good like a good

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Speaker 1: life mentally and physically. Yeah, can can and are doing

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Speaker 1: that and it's freaking awesome, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And I think you know, I mean, I

469
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Speaker 3: think that's also like that's one of my passion points too.

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Speaker 3: Of I do feel a little bit like sporting dogs

471
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Speaker 3: are the new French bulldogs of the twenty you know,

472
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Speaker 3: like the early two thousands, where like everybody's talking about

473
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Speaker 3: how cool their new xyz v shlow whatever it might be.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, my, like, one of my passion points

475
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Speaker 3: is like trying to make sure that people understand the

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Speaker 3: mental and physical needs of the dog that they're bringing in.

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Speaker 3: So if you have three kids who are involved in

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Speaker 3: four sports, and you know you, you and your significant

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Speaker 3: other in the house both work fifty hours a week,

480
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Speaker 3: like maybe maybe bring in that gsp hy drive dog

481
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Speaker 3: and puppy into your household is not the best. Like

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Speaker 3: maybe we look at something that's a little bit more

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Speaker 3: you know, low key from a breed perspective, because yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a commitment and you know, and and

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Speaker 3: so trying to again just raise that awareness that's out

486
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Speaker 3: there for the people who don't necessarily know what breeds

487
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Speaker 3: in all the breeds and compass.

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Speaker 1: I very recently dropped an episode here on on that topic, Like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know that you love this kind of dog or

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Speaker 1: you love the idea of this kind of dog, but

491
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Speaker 1: what can you give a dog and what is that dog?

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Speaker 2: Like what are that dog's traits?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like, are you going to get a Chessie that's going

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Speaker 1: to be like a one person dog that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: pretty stubborn. Then do you have the time for that

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Speaker 1: and then know how or do you need something else?

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Speaker 1: And that is a really yeah, I agree with you

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Speaker 1: because I see a lot of people out there where

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Speaker 1: it's like sort of trendy to have like a GSP

501
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Speaker 1: or something like that, and you you end up going,

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Speaker 1: you know, you like the idea of this dog, but

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Speaker 1: you don't know what it is. It would be like

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Speaker 1: taking me and being like you're never going to hunter fish.

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Speaker 1: I know that this is like your like, well, for

506
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, you just have this, but you can't like

507
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be that good of I'd be

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Speaker 1: a bad dog, right like you'd see some behaviors manifest themselves.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you on that, But I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the challenges and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've seen this over and over, is you know, we

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Speaker 1: do a podcast like this and we're speaking to people

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Speaker 1: who are already pretty keed into like there they understand

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Speaker 1: that more than the average population, Like how do you

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Speaker 1: get the general dog population to know that? Like maybe

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Speaker 1: that month at the shelter is the best dog for

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Speaker 1: you because it wants to walk by your side and

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Speaker 1: you know, curl up next to you at night. Yeah,

519
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Speaker 1: and isn't driven like bird driven or mission focused over

520
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Speaker 1: everything else and going to be denied that until the

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Speaker 1: behaviors are insane for you, right right.

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Speaker 3: And I will say it was one of the cool opportunities.

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Speaker 3: And this goes back to kind of the original thread

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Speaker 3: of seeking out that information and that like, you know,

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Speaker 3: knowing what you don't know, being aware of what you

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Speaker 3: don't know, and trying to find folks who are better

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Speaker 3: at it. I went recently to the AKC had an

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Speaker 3: event called Meet the Breeds and it was in New

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Speaker 3: York City and they had one hundred and it was

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Speaker 3: over one hundred and seventy different breeds and you could go.

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Speaker 3: I was open to the general and you could go

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Speaker 3: around and you could talk to It wasn't like it

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Speaker 3: wasn't like a dog show like Westminster National Dog Show.

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Speaker 3: It was literally like the people who own these breeds

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Speaker 3: and they're in their breed club and they're they're there

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Speaker 3: for you know, a weekend, and you can go and

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Speaker 3: you can talk to them about what you know, like oh,

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Speaker 3: there's and there are so I I mean, I've been

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Speaker 3: in this industry for over twenty years and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I still didn't know all of the breeds that are around,

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Speaker 3: but like being able to get that first hand information

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Speaker 3: of what the dogs needs, what their personalities are, like

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Speaker 3: you know, all of that was I thought, just brilliant

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Speaker 3: of the AKAC to put on.

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Speaker 1: That's so important. Uh, we're out of time here. You

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Speaker 1: are all over social media. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they can find me at pet vet Ruthan

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Speaker 3: on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you so much, ruth Amne. Yeah, thanks