WEBVTT - Illeana Douglas 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.480 The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascals Stand Up to Her continues 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.800 throughout twenty twenty four. For a full list of dates 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.399 and tickets, go to the Craig Ferguson Show dot com 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.000 slash tour. See you out there, the Greig Ferguson show 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:18.759 dot com slash Tour. My name is Craig Ferguson. The 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.400 name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:29.920 in people about what brings them happiness. Ileana Douglas is 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:35.400 a movie star. She's Hollywood royalty, and she's hilarious, and 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.040 she has low self esteem, as you're about to find out. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.320 She's also written an amazing book, a really interesting book 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:49.479 called Connecticut in the movies. I don't listened to this. Well, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.239 I'm going to put the headphones on because I like 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:56.280 them on. I'm swallowing and you can swallow. It's okay, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:57.200 don't don't you see? 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.400 I needed to ask permission? 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.320 Why is your self esteem so low? There's no reason 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.960 for your self esteem it be so low. But I 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:08.479 think that comes from when you were a kid, right, probably. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.400 But it's funny when in my first book, I Marlon 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.880 Brando pointed pointed that he said that to me, should 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.119 you be so insecure? 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.360 Well, and if Marlon Brando says to you, why you insecure? 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:24.520 Then you should. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.520 Yeah, at a certain point, can you change it? 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:30.800 I think you can. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.520 The only time I went to I'm I'm not big 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.800 on doctors. Yeah, and I remember going to this doctor 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.600 and he said, you should really try not to be 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.120 so self deprecating, right, you know, because it's it signals 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.880 to people that you know you have low self esteem. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.520 It gives it gives them permission, I think, to to 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.520 you know, to join in. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.400 I don't know that's true, but I don't know. I mean, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.760 I get it. Look any what is the opposite to 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.040 be like a blowhard? 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.240 I mean, we all like, I am so awesome, look 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:04.760 at me. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.720 Right, And I don't like the humble brag That is 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.880 sicker than the I hate the It's like I'm honored too. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:18.440 Yeah, I'm so humble, so humbled. I'm hur win this Oscar. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.240 You're like, I know, you're fucking no. Like if you 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.000 were humbled to win an Oscar, you didn't even you 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.960 wouldn't even put your name forward to be in contention 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.360 for an Oscar. Shut up. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.000 By the way, I have to totally interrupt. I didn't bring 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.680 the picture, but you know, I have a picture of 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.400 you and I in my office of us when I 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.400 was on your show. Right, we were talking. I think 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.000 I was trying to learn how to play the guitar 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.519 or something. I don't know, but anyway, you're miming playing 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.359 the guitar. You were doing some bit then and I 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.639 my head is thrown back with laughter and it's one 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.720 of my favorite images and I always I see in 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:54.400 my office. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.080 I think you know that sense of joy. It is 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.919 a sense of joy. Seeuse you were asking me about 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.120 podcast before we turn to me. She yes, and you 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.919 were talking about podcasting and what did I like it? 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.440 And I do like it because there's no money in it, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.919 so that so that's good. It keeps yeah, keeps you humble. Yes, 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.959 so should I win an oscart there's nothing I've done then, uh, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.880 you know it will keep me centered. But also there 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.679 is no pressure for me to talk to anybody I 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.600 don't want to talk to. That's was great about it. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.320 That's that's what you're paying for. And I wanted to 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.840 talk to you because of the because I started to 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.160 notice on your social media when I was still on 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.040 the social media. I don't do it at all now 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.960 because there's there's a I pay these guys and they 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.320 do it. I'm like, now social media is over because 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.320 now you don't have them. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.440 Although I like everything else, it's self cannibalizing and it's 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:49.800 ruining itself. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.440 Of course. I mean it's nuts. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:52.600 It's like cinerama. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.200 Talk to me about cinerama. What do you mean cinerama, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.360 the cinema chain or cinerama. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.800 I guess it as a metaphor that, you know, like 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.200 everything that's it's created with good you know, to be 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.760 something good and snappy and fun and entertaining, and then 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:14.480 it gets ruined by you know, uh yeah exactly. And 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.360 they tried to turn every movie into you know, as 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.240 opposed to certain movies that some movies didn't need to 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.240 be in cineramic form. That's what I meant. You know 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.880 what every reference I make is from from movies. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.560 I speak of you as like movie royalty, though you're 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.840 like you're like you're like a movie star, movie star, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.240 Like no matter what you do in your life from 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.920 now until the end of your life, yes, you'll always 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.599 be a movie star. Do you You get that right? 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:42.640 That's your thing. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.480 Could I get a title for that, like. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.480 Lady Lady Dame Late. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:57.920 No, well, in my case would be Lady Lighty l Douglass. Fine, okay, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.920 except yeah, I accept. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.720 I think that because we were talking about movies before 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.000 we turned the machine on as well, and yes, talking 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.720 about like the movies. A lot of movies that you're 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.240 in that I love, and the movies that I love 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.839 that you love are movies where not a lot of 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.719 stuff happens. You know, some people they do a thing, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.120 they have something to eat, they talk to each other, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:26.400 and yes, maybe make some decisions, go to a place. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.360 Yeah, like the Alexander Payne film Fantastic. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.760 You know that that movie he did? Was was it? 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.240 Reys Witherspoon Election. That's a great movie. Isn't that a 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:36.880 great movie? 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.080 Everything he does is great. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.120 Yeah, I know he's a pretty talented guy. Did you 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.000 do a movie with him? 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.800 I was almost in that movie, actually, but I was 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.160 doing something else. I was supposed to play the I think, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.080 the wife of Matthew Broderick. I mean, I don't want 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.800 to say I was supposed to, not true, but I was. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.640 I was off you were. Yeah, it was funny because 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.560 Matthew Broadrick Wasshing has ass and that movie is one 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.520 of the great screen performance He's great, Like he really 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.239 wins his ass properly in that shriff scene. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:06.919 Yeah. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:12.600 And I said to Sarah Jessica, I loved that. I 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.600 don't know Matthew Broderick, but I was working with her 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.599 and I said, you know when your husband watches his 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.080 ass in that movie, Alex and that's one of the 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.120 greatest performances I've ever seen. And she said, he's so 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:27.240 proud of that shot, Like that's so great because I 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.640 spotted it. I'm like, that's really good. Whatever he's doing there, 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:31.480 it's really good. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.680 That's funny. Well, actors love that when you pick up 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:34.080 on some. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.400 Little well some little things. That's a business. Well, let 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.680 me talk to you then about the ice skating movie, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.440 Like when you ice skate in that movie? Yes, oh my, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.200 did you did you know how to ice skate? Because 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:45.799 you like, did you grow up in Connecticut? 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.400 I grew up there, and so I knew how to skate. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.480 I didn't know how to trick skate. So I once 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.760 I got the part, which was to. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.360 Die for we should say the name of to die For? 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.400 Yeah, once I I went in an audition. You know, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.000 I'm pretty much walked around the room and second position 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.840 like I it's sort of like acts, yeah, skating all 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.400 my life, you know, doing all the Yeah. Once I 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.320 got the part, I quickly went to New York right 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.440 down the street down on I think it's twelfth Avenue 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.720 and there's a skating rink there. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.160 You went through an intense skating. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.320 Yes, I did, and which most of which unfortunately ended 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.360 up on the cutting room floor because Gus Finsen said 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.240 it was too jarring. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.440 And well, you know, so I think he's probably right. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:34.800 I mean, he's pretty clever guy. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:35.680 And he's disappointing. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.080 Yeah. But here's the thing though, when you do that 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.960 little spin at the end of the movie, Yes, I'm like, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.560 oh my god, that's it's as good as Matthew Broderick 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.240 washing his ass Italy right. Well, it's like, oh my god, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:49.280 that's fantastic. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.680 And I also got to throw in some I think 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.440 that's the first time I really really got the add 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.360 lib and they I thought, you know, to me because 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.280 I wasn't sophisticated enough. That was just me kidding around. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.880 And then when I saw the movie, I was like, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.160 oh my god, Oh wow, really but yeah, the you 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.520 know four letters begins with say, yeah that was yeah, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.920 I threw in you did that? Yeah, I threw in great, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.720 I threw in things here and there. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.280 See, now you create something like that. I'm going to 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.880 talk to you about your book in a minute because 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.240 it's quite kind of quite interesting to me because I 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.200 know that you started as a stand up right, like 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.280 right the beginning. Yes, And I always think of your 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.880 your energy. There's a you know, the actress Uta Lember right, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.840 uh huh. She said something that I think is the 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.240 trick of stand up is the way I understand it, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.760 which is this is that? And she was talking about 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.720 acting and she said the trick of acting is to 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:52.720 create the illusion of spontaneity. And I'm like, that's that's 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.320 what stand up is to me because like you know, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.199 you do fifty shows over a period of a tour, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.880 like Show forty eight, you're telling the same joke, but 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.079 the audience has to see feel like I'm just here right, yeah, 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.760 I just I just thought of this. So when you 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.280 started doing stand up, did you write it down like 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.400 an actor? Did you write it and learn it? 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.600 And yes, it was total desperation. It was simply because 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.959 I had no money and I couldn't get any acting jobs. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.440 And I saw a sign at stand Up New York 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.680 that if you won this contest you got fifty bucks. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.400 So fifty bucks seemed. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.400 That's still a big payday for a lot of time, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.920 a lot. That's what you get for a podcast. By 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.160 the way, you should think about it. No pair episode, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.000 but you know throughout the year you'll get fook. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.200 But I, uh so, yeah I did, and I and 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.280 so I threw together stuff. I used to do my 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.560 jokes for my roommate and he would always say, that's 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.720 not funny, that's not funny. He would critique everything I did. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.600 And then he also said something to me which I 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.199 never understood, but I always took as a compliment. He goes, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.600 it's not funny, but I find myself laughing. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:01.480 That's great. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.320 So I thought that was interesting. So I had no idea. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.959 It was very crude. I didn't know what I was doing. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.760 I just would throw together enough for twenty minutes. You know. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.559 They told me that for the first time I went up. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.400 They said, you only need ten minutes. Ten minutes. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.760 Yeah, that suddenly a lot of time when you're starting though. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.240 Yeah, So the good and bad was writing the jokes 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.360 was really easy. I did not like I know it 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.600 sounds stupid, but I didn't like the lifestyle I found 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.200 it to be. To walk over to stand up New 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.640 York at ten o'clock at night. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.640 Yeah, you know you like to be in bad. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.360 Slew but myself and I was very scared. So i'd 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.480 have you know, ten coca colas. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.840 Yeah, you know, and then you can't sleep all night. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.080 And you can't sleep, and then you have to drink 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.880 to bring yourself down. And then, as I said, like 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.160 there was there was people that were doing stand up 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.160 that were you know, professional people like Kevin Neal and 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:02.000 j Moore. I saw actually David people like that. And 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.560 then they'd all say, okay, now we're going down to 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.840 the comedy cellar and I want to go to bell 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.679 I have to do this again. So I had no 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.000 so is this ying and yang where people were saying, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.000 you know, I immediately had people who wanted to work 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.600 with me and set me up and. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.720 Well you have that quality. See, there's that ineffable quality 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.520 that you have, which is interesting because I think probably 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.800 you're looses. See I'm analyzing you know, right, thank you, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.560 But see this. Did you ever get therapy? Did you 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.520 ever have therapy? No? 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.200 It never. I almost called my first book, I had 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.360 a therapist. I went to a therapist because I was 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.920 getting out of this, you know, bad situation, and so 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.960 I finally was like, well maybe I'll go to therapy. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.840 And I was telling him some things about, you know, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.760 my life, and he leaned in and he said, now 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.880 I have to ask you, Ileana, are you making these 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:03.839 things up? And I said no, why would I make 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.280 it up? I mean, well, I guess because it seemed. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.880 Well, your life is, well, let's talk a little bible. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.920 And your grandfather was a movie star, right, Yes, Melvin Douglas. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.040 Melvin Douglas is a big movie star. And yes, your 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.000 mom was Your mom wasn't in the movies? Your mom 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:24.360 and art? 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.040 No, my parents grew up. My father was a teacher, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.120 my mom was a librarian, and they had left New 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.640 York City. Actually that you know, we grew up in Connecticut. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.200 Right, which is we will go onto the year book 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.440 Connecticut and the movies because it's fascinating and huge and 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.120 much bigger a subject than I thought. It was, like's 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.480 like an independent movie. Where's happening exactly? And then you go, wow, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.800 actually a lot. I know, all right, your mom and 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.520 died and they moved to Connecticut. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.120 Yes, and it was we had a very kind of 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:01.200 bohemian upbringing hippies, which did not really are with you know, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.280 preppy Connecticut. So that was always a challenge. So I 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.520 couldn't wait to get out of Connecticut to go to 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:12.280 New York. But in the I spent just an unbelievable 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.280 amount of time with both my with my Italian grandparents 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.679 and queens who's you know who. I was with them 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.800 when I was when I was a child, and then 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.800 I would spend the summers there. So I'd split the 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:28.400 summers between queens queens in Connecticut. No, and that my grandfather, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.439 Melvin Douglass on the Upper West Side. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:31.200 Oh my god. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.960 It was like uptown downtown. This is where I made 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:41.000 actually a fascinating I made a revelation about entertainment business. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.800 Poor people go to the movies, rich people go to 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.200 the theater. I don't know what that means, but it 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:46.720 is true. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.440 That is probably true. Yeah, Like when I'm in New York. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.520 I went to the opera last week. I'm going to 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.880 the Oprah. I'm not a guy that goes to the opera. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.360 I went to the opera and there were people there 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.360 that I was like, yeah, no, much better than me. Yeah, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:02.800 but you are a little bit so with me. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:07.120 But that was very heady, both in you know, being 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.880 around all the New Yorkers. Yeah, suited me well for 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.920 later on for films like Goodfellas, because I knew that 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.280 world completely. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.800 Right, that's the queen's thing, right. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.440 Completely right, and you know, go to the back of 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.240 the car and open the trunk and pick out whatever 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.680 you want and just fell off the truck. And you know, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.840 that was very colorful and fun. And then at my 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.000 grandfather's it was you know, playwrights like Robert Anderson and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.040 he was friends with Myrta Lly and so it was 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.320 it was very intellection. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.480 Very that's very kind of heady atmosphere. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.160 Very very heady. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.760 Is that what meant you? You think that's why you 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:45.600 fell in love with movies? 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.000 Totally totally because it was. And then I would have 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.560 to go back to Connecticut and being a poor hippie 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.840 and then I was like, okay, I do. First of all, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:54.640 the food. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.880 Was always yeah, happy food never was grown. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.720 Now, the food it was always in my grandfather well, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.280 that was where I first discovered, you know, hoggin' dus 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:08.840 ice cream and ordering food. I Uh, when I grew up, 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.120 you know, wherever we would go out to a restaurant, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.360 people would make a big fuss about him. We would 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.320 always he would We would go to these restaurants like Sardi's, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.000 and I remember the portions were enormous. And then later 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.280 on when I was doing movies and i'd go to 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.760 these places, the portions were very small. Yeah, And I realized, oh, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:25.520 it's because. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.320 He's he's Melvin Douglas. And also people got in the cocaine, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.400 and when you get into cocaine, you don't need as 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.120 much food, so like like the big portions at Sardis. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.200 And then if you're going to a restaurant, some guests 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.880 and like when you're older, we're talking about late eighties 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.000 and mid nineties, that kind of thing. Yeah, everybody's high. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.720 You're not. You're getting you know. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.760 I never understood that. I was like, boy, that guy's 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.760 got a crazy temper. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.880 He is talking. Does he talk soa Did you ever? 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.720 Did you ever get drawn into that world at all? 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.240 Because I think of you as a very kind of No, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.720 it wasn't you know again it's not my thing is 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.040 really movies. I remember being excited though, the first time 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.240 when I went to La and this is you know, 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.160 when I was dating Martin Scorsese and I went to 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.760 a party and Richard Perry, the record producer, he came 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.960 up to me and he was, you know, chatting me up. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.520 And for me, of course, it was immediately drawn in 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.760 my childhood. Oh my god, he's the name on the 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.440 back of the Nielsen. That's how I knew him, right, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.560 Richard Perry Nilsen, you know. And he said, you know, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.240 there's a party later on at Jack's house and this 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.760 person is going to be there, and you know, I 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.640 laughed because again when you say drawn into this world, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.160 I'd read about this world in magazines and stuff, never dreaming, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.960 of course i'd be a part of it. But I 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.480 wasn't ever like, yeah, that's what I want to do, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:54.120 is go do blow with Jack. I always I put 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.440 them on and I had read about these people in magazines. Therefore, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.680 how could they possibly How could I interact with that? 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.760 But I had the exact same feeling when I went 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.600 to Hollywood and getting it and actually you were part 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.080 of my kind of like I can't believe. Like I remember, 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.680 like maybe the first time, maybe we were on the 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.520 Drew Carey Show or at Kathy Kenny's house in the 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.719 Hills or something like that, and we were and I 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.680 was talking to you, and I was like, I can't believe, swirt. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.160 But that I was a fan of yours. I'd seen 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.200 your a fan of. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.639 Yours as well. But that was the But that's the 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.879 weird thing that when you because that happened to me 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.959 quite a lot, particularly doing Late Night. Yeah, because if 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.720 you do a show like that, you meet everybody and 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.520 some some of them are great, and some of them 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.000 are douchebags, and you don't really know what you're going 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.879 to get. Some people became friends, and other people you're like, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.280 oh God, I can't believe that guy's such an asshole. Yeah. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.520 When you were dating Marty, though, you're kind of in 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.439 a world which is like that's right in the center 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.399 of it. And and particularly around directors, I've noticed that 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.840 people behave very strangely around film directors, Like film directors 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.000 behave strangely anyway, because they're all fucking maglomaniacs and they 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.439 think that it's unshanging, like all of them even the 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.520 nice guys. They're all assholes, even the nice ones of assholes, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.919 and they would admit to it. I think they're self aware. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.879 But and if they're not, I don't care. But but 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.280 people in Hollywood, and I think I've even been going it. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.760 I know I've been going in this like around the director. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.480 You're always kind of like he might put me in 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:29.040 the mood. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.960 Well, you see, it's funny you say that, because see 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.520 I again, I always I always hit this poll. My 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.200 grandfather always wanted me to be a writer. I'd write 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.400 him these letters. Again, I was out of my mind, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.240 you're right, or reading about you know, the Algonquin Circle 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.800 and pretending in my mind, you know, I was like 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.080 Dorothy Parker and stuff. So when I went to New 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.400 York and I was working for this film publicist named 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:59.200 Peggy Siegel. I one of the prerequisites for the job 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.040 is you did tell anybody you were an actor, because 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.520 they would never hire you. Right, You just lie and say, oh, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.000 I just got out of Wesleyan. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.840 And I really want to be a publicist. That's what 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.040 I've as to exactly. And in the office, this was 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.560 like the first trick I learned. Everybody always wanted to 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.600 be with the actors like they if we were doing junkets, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.199 they wanted to be with Kevin Costner. They wanted to 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.720 be with you know, DINNERO or Harry Olwis or wherever. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.560 I always wanted to be with a director. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.720 Now I don't know why I did, but I just 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.679 knew sort of that's where the action was going to be. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.840 And yes, in the back of my mind, I was like, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.960 one of these people's going, it's put me in a movie. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.520 It's going to discover Yeah, of course I have it. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:41.760 I think that's okay. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.400 I think that's fairly it's fairly kind of sweet, almost, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.240 particularly in someone. I mean that's also why, you know, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.840 bad people pray on the on the ambitions of young 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.520 people that want to get in movies because they're like, yeah, ah, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:56.879 so you want to be in a movie. I mean, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.440