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Speaker 1: Podcast Playground. I'm Buzznight, the host of Taking a Walk

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Speaker 1: Music History on Foot. Follow us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: the Podcast Playground, or wherever you get your podcasts. Today,

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Speaker 1: we have quite a story to tell from Sammy Sadler,

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Speaker 1: country singer songwriter. He was involved in a murder on

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Speaker 1: music Row on March ninth, nineteen eighty nine, which changed

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Speaker 1: his life forever. He's got a new song out call

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Speaker 1: Everything's going to be all Right, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Sammy Sadler coming up next. I'm taking a walk. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Buzz are you Sammy? I'm great. How are you doing today.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm doing well. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Where are you in which part of the country right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm in Texas? I am in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm in my backyard out side of the Boston area,

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Speaker 1: and certainly wish we were taking a Walk in person.

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Speaker 1: But it's nice to have you on and I so

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate you having me on. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We love stories of resilience on the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 1: and yours is certainly one. We're gonna talk some history,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna celebrate your brand new song called Everything's Gonna

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Speaker 1: be all right, and congratulations on that, But can you

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Speaker 1: take us back, Sammy to March ninth, nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: a day that certainly changed your life forever?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that day, man, I mean, is

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Speaker 2: this normal day? You know? And I had a record

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Speaker 2: out on the charts. I had the alwaren nevill song

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Speaker 2: Telling Like It Is was my sixth and fastest rising single,

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Speaker 2: and getting ready to go in and record my full album,

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Speaker 2: and just you know, a regular day. And then that evening,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Hughes and I were friends, and Kevin was the

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Speaker 2: chart manager for cash Box Magazine, which was a real

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Speaker 2: rivalry to Billboard, And that evening I went in and

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Speaker 2: went to my house and me and my wife had

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Speaker 2: and called down the cash Box and the phone just

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Speaker 2: it was Kevin, and I said, hey, man, what are

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Speaker 2: And I just told him, well, we're gonna be there

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Speaker 2: he said, yeah, come on down. I'll leave the door

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Speaker 2: to call my family, my parents, And obviously Kevin had

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Speaker 1: Wow. Now I was not ever at Music Grow in

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Speaker 2: you never I never think and never imagine something like this.

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Speaker 2: You see this kind of stuff on TV and the movies.

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Speaker 2: You know it's not you know, this can't happen to you.

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Speaker 1: So you were in the hospital for a long time

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Speaker 1: with lots of different surgeries after your injuries. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was in the hospital. I mean, I didn't

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Speaker 2: then they take me to Vanderbilt Hospital in Nashville, Vanderbilt University,

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Speaker 2: and they get a professor to hypnotize me while they

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Speaker 2: was he really hypnotized, And the professor said absolutely, he

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Speaker 1: Music really to this day is saving grace for you.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean, you know, God put the music

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Speaker 2: I can't explain it. Only only singers and entertainers and

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Speaker 1: And you you write with the sense of true optimism.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I look back over my life and

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Speaker 2: Kevin and I had only been friends for about seven

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Speaker 1: So when you sit down and write something such as

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I don't write a whole lot, buzz

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't write the current single that I've got.

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Speaker 2: given thanks to God because if it wasn't for him,

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Speaker 2: Mine was a bullet. I don't know what their bullet is.

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Speaker 2: But I do know that whatever you're going through, uh,

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Speaker 2: I know the answer, and that's Jesus Christ. If you'll

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Speaker 1: Who was part of your support system? Was it a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My mom and dad, we were my were my anchors,

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Speaker 2: They've always support me and supported my music and anything

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, in my early years, you know, I

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Speaker 2: and you know, just just a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, what advice would you give to other musicians

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Speaker 2: Man? I mean, somebody's you know, I always thought that

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Speaker 2: having PTSD with people that went to war and went

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Speaker 2: to you know, all of that kind of stuff with

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Speaker 2: you know, there's there's all kinds of PTSD and people

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Speaker 2: that have been traumatized. It's not just going to war.

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Speaker 2: I mean anything that happens to you that is traumatizing

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Speaker 2: to your life, you know, most time you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: PTSD out of it. And you know, all I can

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Speaker 2: tell you know, mine has been has been God. Man.

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Speaker 2: I mean God is the only one that has sustained

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Speaker 2: me through all this and brought me through this. And

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Speaker 2: I can only say for me, it's Jesus Christ. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I just tell everybody to turn to him,

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Speaker 2: because you know, without him, were nothing and he's the

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Speaker 2: one that gives us breath. And you know, most people

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Speaker 2: that have been through what I've been through, a lot

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Speaker 2: thinking about suicide, and thank God, I've never experienced any

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Speaker 2: I can only say, Jesus Christ is why I'm here

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Speaker 2: and what's brought me through this. And I just you know,

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Speaker 2: tell people to turn to God because He's the answer.

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Speaker 1: I really greatly appreciate you sharing your story of resilience.

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Speaker 1: I wish you well with the new music. Everything's going

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Speaker 1: to be all right, and thank you for sharing your story.

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Speaker 1: Sammy very much.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you man. I mean my new record, Everything's

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Speaker 2: going to be all right? Is I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: a great record and it's got a good positive message

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Speaker 2: and a good feel to it. And you know, man,

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Speaker 2: just go to all the downloads, the digital downloads you

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Speaker 2: can get that. I've got a copy of my book

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Speaker 2: out for sale as well, called A Hit with a Bullet,

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Speaker 2: The Real Murder on Music Row. So there's any musicians

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Speaker 2: or singers entertainers out there that are thinking about get

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Speaker 2: but I think if you go and get a copy

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Speaker 2: of that book and read it, it may help you

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Speaker 2: along your journey of what to look for and kind

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Speaker 2: music business. That may help somebody make some decisions of

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Speaker 2: what they might need to do if they want to

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Speaker 2: get into music business.

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Speaker 1: Summy Sadler, thank you for being on Taking a Walk

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, buzz You have a great day, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.