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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up, Good morning to you, Doug Gottlieb,

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Speaker 1: Is the NBA this time of year and injuries this

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Speaker 1: time of year. We can get into Lebron a couple

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Speaker 1: COVID on this rash of injuries to all stars. But

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Speaker 1: you got you have the Brooklyn Nets last night, still

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Speaker 1: banged up James Harden. I don't know what percentage of

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Speaker 1: real James Harden we had, but it's not a one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent James Harden. Kevin Durant a good effort, but

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Speaker 1: not the herculean effort he was able to put together

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Speaker 1: in Game five, and the Bucks are able to draw

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Speaker 1: the series equal. Right, Is eric Key and Kenny come

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Speaker 1: away with any big takeaway after you watch Game six? Well, Doug,

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Speaker 1: of course you can. First of all, happy early Father's

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Speaker 1: Day weekend to you. Doug, shout out to my father

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Speaker 1: for an early Father's Day weekend. I do not feel

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Speaker 1: great though about Mike Budenholzer and Doc Rivers heading into

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Speaker 1: Father's Day weekend. This could be a tough one for him,

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Speaker 1: I will say, Doug. I said after Game five, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you said, a herculean effort from Kevin Durant led

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Speaker 1: them to the win. But look at the last two games, Doug. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Bucks have basically outplayed the Nets in five of

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Speaker 1: the eight quarters. One was a stand sill other than

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant going postal in like the finals sixteen minutes

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Speaker 1: of Game five. The Bucks have been the better team.

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Speaker 1: And I know they have the worst coach, I know

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Speaker 1: they have the worst superstar. I know they're on the road,

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Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna talk myself into the Milwaukee Bucks,

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Speaker 1: who were favored by Vegas heading into Game seven. I

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Speaker 1: think I may take the Bucks. And which is you know,

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Speaker 1: hold your nose play on Father's Day weekend. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what's going to happen as far

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Speaker 1: as who plays, and this does get into tonight's game

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Speaker 1: a little bit, right, and we're like when Kawai went

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Speaker 1: down with a knee injury, which though it hasn't officially

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Speaker 1: been announced as a torn acl out for the year,

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Speaker 1: at the all signs point to that. When Kawai went down,

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Speaker 1: I said on my show, and by the way, you

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Speaker 1: can check out Jason's Straight Fire podcast which he drops

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Speaker 1: in a daily and then you can listen to the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, which is daily on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: three to sixty Eastern twel three Pacific. When when the

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Speaker 1: injury initially happened, I said, like, look at at look

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Speaker 1: they were able to do. Going back to their last

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Speaker 1: game in Game five, which is that first game when

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Speaker 1: and the favorite team won. There's just expectations that they're

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Speaker 1: to think when Kawhi, when Leonard went down, this series

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Speaker 1: is over. It's impossible not to think that. When Kyrie

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Speaker 1: gotta as we've seen with Tyler, like you got to

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Speaker 1: adjust to things that change and lineups and matchups that change. Right,

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Speaker 1: And the Nets and the Clippers have both played without

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Speaker 1: past couple of seasons, so they've had to adjust to

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Speaker 1: how they play. But your whole game plan to how

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Speaker 1: first game you kind of get an initial bump. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like you know, post post debate bumps, or when

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Speaker 1: And I do think that James Harden did move better

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Speaker 1: NBA playoffs have. I've always been a kind of well,

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Speaker 1: it's always been it's always been the team that's not

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Speaker 1: a tendency to win. Well. The only problem that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: The only problem with that is the numbers say otherwise

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Speaker 1: That's an NBA record. There have been more stars missing

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Speaker 1: games as playoffs, and that doesn't include Chris Paul, who

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Speaker 1: two or three games of the Western Conference Finals. Again,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to be determined there. But you know this,

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Speaker 1: this Jazz team had the Clippers, they had him choked out,

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Speaker 1: the Jazz, But I'm gonna say this, Doug. People have

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Speaker 1: been killing me for the last few weeks about my

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Speaker 1: don't know if Tyler's a good coach. He comes in,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't play Terrence Man. The first two games of

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Speaker 1: Terrence Man. Oh yeah, Terrence Man's kind of a difference

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Speaker 1: now they're winning games. So like, you know, he got

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Speaker 1: done good things. But Doug, every single time in the

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Speaker 1: what do they do? They choke, they gag it up,

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Speaker 1: and I have zero faith in them closing out the

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Speaker 1: Utah's backcourt is just so injured. Rudy Gobert is such

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Speaker 1: a non factor in this series. I mean, Doug, you

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Speaker 1: The stifled tower can keep him out of the lane,

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Speaker 1: but man, you put him in that pick and roll

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Speaker 1: and they're eating him alive. Well, yeah, it's all they've

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Speaker 1: They've decided to go. They've decided to go small, right.

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Speaker 1: They even played Rondo and Patrick Beverly together. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you don't, if you have, if

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Speaker 1: done an excellent job. I can't really help yet, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I know Luca was amazing in the first round.

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Speaker 1: But he's also got Kawhi Paul George. Morris is better

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Speaker 1: but let's be realistic. Marcus Morris is better than that.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason Marcus Morris has bounced around the league. Bro,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Morris has forty nine points in the last two games. Yes,

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Speaker 1: why why is that? Well, he's a pretty decent player.

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Speaker 1: He got a lot of Why is that. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: go back to why is that? Nation? Jason McIntire, Doug

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Speaker 1: Because they've decided to go small. So Marcus Morris matches

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Speaker 1: up with Rudy Gobert and Marcus Morris to stand outside

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Speaker 1: we've got to get him out of there. Like, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they didn't get destroyed the first two games.

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Speaker 1: And Utah is a pretty pretty good team, and you

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Speaker 1: just if you don't think that the the the easiest

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Speaker 1: team is constructed differently. Every team is constructed differently, Right,

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Speaker 1: This Clippers team, for example, is constructed around two stars.

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Speaker 1: If it was so easy, why didn't Why couldn't Doc Rivers?

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers, we know historically, has been a terrible postseason coach.

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Speaker 1: He's the only coach in NBA history to blow three

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Speaker 1: three to one leads. Okay, I just when you look

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Speaker 1: at the Vegas odds, you know, I do a ton

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Speaker 1: of gambling stuff, Doug. The Clippers were the favorites last year. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they failed. They now came into this season, the Lakers

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Speaker 1: were favored in the West. The Nets were overall favorites.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis goes out, It's like, okay, Clippers, the seas

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Speaker 1: have parted for you win the damn West. All they

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Speaker 1: do is fall behind in series. Doug. Okay, but they

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Speaker 1: fell behind. It like it doesn't it's a seven game series.

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Speaker 1: They don't give any awards if you if you go

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Speaker 1: they beat the Utah Jazz, and you're still beating the

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Speaker 1: drum against Tyler like what you're doing. It not against

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Speaker 1: I just actually the major praise on people. I just say,

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Speaker 1: the here's the issue. Here's the issue. Everything you say

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Speaker 1: which is okay, that's the that's the way in which

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Speaker 1: I know that's a super Bowl necessarily Atlanta team, I

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Speaker 1: get it, but I mean they were up twenty six

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Speaker 1: at home and they lost. I mean, Doug, you know basketball, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know coach Atlanta Hawks had benched their starting now

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Speaker 1: their starting backcourt, but they benched hurd her In Bogdanovich

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Speaker 1: the Hawks for like a final seven minutes. What would

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Speaker 1: Lou Williams and Trey Young in the backcourt, Doug, I'm

428
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Speaker 1: not even kidding you, and I could have mild success

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Speaker 1: scoring on those two right now. That's how bad of

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Speaker 1: a defensive backcourt that was. And the seventy sixers did nothing, Doug,

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Speaker 1: this is an embarrassment. I don't know how Doc Rivers

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Speaker 1: went to sleep that night, honestly, well, I'm sure he

433
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Speaker 1: probably didn't sleep particularly well. It should be pointed out

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Speaker 1: that Doc Rivers was terrible at the freethrow line, right man.

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00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe that Doc Rivers, who somehow like metamorphosized

436
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Speaker 1: and shaped his body to look like Ben Simmons. That

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Speaker 1: was that was all, and and doc Rivers also embodied

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Speaker 1: Tobias Harris, who was terrible down the stretch. These are

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Speaker 1: all kind on Doc Rivers. But yes, you're right. When

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Speaker 1: you have when you have previous playoff collapses, it does

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00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: call in a question what are you doing over there? Right?

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00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: How are you not? How are you now? Part of

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00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: it is how this team is, how this team is shaped. Right.

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00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: You go to your they go to that bench, and

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00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot like anytime you have a surgical procedure.

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00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: No matter how well it may go, every time you

447
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: go under the knife, something bad can, something bad can happen,

448
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: and eventually you build up scar tissue that that bench

449
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: let him down, and then the starters let him. Well wait, Doug,

450
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Speaker 1: hold on, you did miss one thing. Tobias Harris is

451
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Speaker 1: the highest paid player on the Sixers thirty four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: He didn't score a basket in the second half. Okay,

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Speaker 1: one more thing, one more thing. You've gone camping with

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Speaker 1: your kids. Let's just say you get a massive cut.

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Speaker 1: Never gone camping with my kids. Okay, you get a

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Speaker 1: massive cut on your arm and it is bleeding. You

457
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: could easily bleed out when you're camping. You've got to

458
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Speaker 1: apply a tourniquet. You've got to stop the bleeding. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers did not once stop the bleeding in the

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Speaker 1: fourth He did absolutely nothing. It was I joked on

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Speaker 1: straight fire that you know Scooby Doo, that great show.

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00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of Scooby Doo, they would

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Speaker 1: solve the mystery and they would pull a mask off

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Speaker 1: the bad guy to reveal, you know, somebody that they

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Speaker 1: knew kids. I would have gotten away with it. So

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Speaker 1: I joked that when they pulled the mask off Doc

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Speaker 1: Rivers at the end of Game five, you would see

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Speaker 1: Mike Budenholzer of the Bucks. Because that's how bad and

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Speaker 1: awful the offense was for the seventy six ers. They

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Speaker 1: were running I mean, they weren't running sets. I mean, Doug,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know basketball plays you call him with

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Speaker 1: your son. I didn't see one play called in like

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter other than hey, Tobias, dribble around, try

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Speaker 1: a fade away, do something, Joel, do something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's not basketball, and Doug Rivers should be doc Rivers

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Speaker 1: should be embarrassed. Okay, I I thought I thought the

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Speaker 1: Scooby Doo analogy was good. But remember, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to quote yourself. You can just say it, right, you do.

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Speaker 1: You can just you can just say it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I only quote myself. What I seven, I'll just say it.

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Speaker 1: It's because I hadn't heard the take, and it's pretty

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Speaker 1: mn good take, I will say. The doc pointed out

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Speaker 1: that this is an issue with his team in a

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Speaker 1: previous loss where he talked about them getting selfish, because

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Speaker 1: this team does have a tendency to get selfish. And

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Speaker 1: then what do you do with Ben Simmons. I mean

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Speaker 1: that it's really hard to hide guys that not only

488
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Speaker 1: can't shoot, but don't want to shoot, and then he

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Speaker 1: can't make a free throw, and then everybody in the

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Speaker 1: in the gym. Here's how you'll know if he can

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Speaker 1: if he can coach how they play tonight and the

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Speaker 1: energy by which they played, because there they were up

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five points for a reason. They're up twenty

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Speaker 1: six points for a reason, right, because they did have

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Speaker 1: some things figured out, and he did put them in position,

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Speaker 1: and they did share the basketball and it was working.

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Speaker 1: So after that level of defeat, this is where real

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Speaker 1: coaching takes places. All right, now, what now? Because if

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Speaker 1: they lay down like dogs tonight Because if you if

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Speaker 1: you go back and remember the Nuggets series last year, right,

501
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: huge leads fourth quarter, lost it fall apart. They're up

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Speaker 1: three games to one. All right, it's three two. Same

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Speaker 1: thing happened in game six. In game seven, it did

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Speaker 1: look like they were they the distress of it had overcoming.

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Speaker 1: They did lead by double digits at halftime of the

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Speaker 1: final three games, so the second half Doctors really choked.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, but I mean there's some sort of level

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Speaker 1: of acceptance that the players make the plays. I do

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Speaker 1: think that the coaches are spot like I always always

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Speaker 1: love that when and you're guilty of this, but so

511
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: are so many others. Right when his teams lose, it's

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. When the team wins, it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: nuanced because it's how they lost. You're dominating that game

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Speaker 1: for three quarters and then in the fourth you totally collapse,

515
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Speaker 1: Like that's really bad. Now, there is some similarities between

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Speaker 1: this and what Kevin Durant did, right, you know, the

517
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Speaker 1: Nets were basically outplayed in game five for two and

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Speaker 1: a half quarters, and then Durant took over. You know,

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Speaker 1: basically the seventy six ers hold them for three quarters

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00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: and then collapsed. I do think the Sixers win tonight.

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Speaker 1: For the gamblers out there, line opened at Sixers favored

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Speaker 1: in the Highlight Factory by one and a half. It's

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Speaker 1: out to three now. So a lot of folks seem

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Speaker 1: to think, listen, the seventy sixers are the better team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: as long as they Doc Rivers doesn't, you know, trip

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Speaker 1: over his two left feet, they should prevail here on

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Speaker 1: the road. Okay, Uh yeah. For me, I'm I believe

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Speaker 1: that that that's a sign of quality coach. He's not

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Speaker 1: just about talent, but it's about the ability to get

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Speaker 1: guys back up off the deck and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: they can force a game seven. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: do fake Ben Simmons trades because we could do an

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Speaker 1: hour on them. I mean, there's so many good options,

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00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Doug for moving Ben Simmons, and you have to agree

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00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: if they lose, you gotta figure Simmons gets traded. Remember

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00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: Daryl Morey tried to trade Ben Simmons for James Harden

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Speaker 1: early this year. Of course, the Rockets would not deal

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00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: with Morey because he had just landed in Philly. But

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00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, is Doc Rivers in trouble because

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00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: we just saw stan Van Gundi get fired after months

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Speaker 1: now in New Orleans. Hold on, hold on, And I

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00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: had Tom haberstroll on my podcast Straight Fire Today and

543
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: guess what, Daryl Morey did not hire Doc Rivers. They

544
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: hired Doc Rivers. Then Morey came aboard. So if Darryl

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Speaker 1: Morey says, listen, hey, I gotta get my guy in here,

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Speaker 1: is Doc Rivers in trouble? No, unequivocally no, or maybe

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Speaker 1: not No, he's not in trouble. Is first year he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not in troubles firs year, you know, because because look,

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00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: they've already done the fire the GM, they fired the coach,

550
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: and so the the the next, the next one to

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Speaker 1: fall would be one of the play one of the

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00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: two star players. That that's generally the way it works,

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: because if you're if you're gonna fire Doc Rivers, who

554
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: you gonna hire, You gonna hire Rick Carlisle. That's the

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00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: only guy. It sounds like, you know, texting some people

556
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Speaker 1: last night, it sounds like Rick Carliles is probably gonna

557
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: end up with Pacers. Um, but I heard Stots to

558
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Stots to the Pacers. But okay, interesting, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't think. I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Rick Carlisle pulls the trigger and parachutes out

561
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: of there with two years left in his deal unless

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Speaker 1: he had another kind. He has some real quick I

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Speaker 1: I think Chauncey Billups, who has been potential for many

564
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: many jobs. We've seen Steve Kerr, a former player and

565
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: then an announcer, go to the booth. We saw Steve

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Speaker 1: Nash go quickly to the sidelines, has had some success

567
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I know with the Stack team. I think Chauncey Billups

568
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: is the guy to watch. I think he can hand

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Speaker 1: pick his job, whether it's Celtics, whether it's New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Uh and at Dallas. But I would not be shocked

571
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Speaker 1: if they looked at Chauncey Billups in Philly, if they

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Speaker 1: boot Doc Rivers, Um, wait, who Chauncey bill Yeah, These

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Speaker 1: younger dudes like, look you, I'm glad you brought that up.

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean that Look, that's gonna be the trend here

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. Yes, I mean Jamal Mosley who full

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00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: disclosure as a friend he played for my dad. Nay,

577
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: you like Jamal has been a grinder and didn't play

578
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: in the league, but it was a damn good player

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Speaker 1: at Colorado. Like the younger guys who have league cred,

580
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Speaker 1: those are the ones who are gonna get most of

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Speaker 1: these jobs, most of them. The difference becomes when you

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Speaker 1: have it's all where you have a team, right, if

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Speaker 1: you have a championship caliber team, Boy, it's really hard

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Speaker 1: to give a job to an unproven guy because in

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Speaker 1: order to win in the win a championship in the NBA,

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00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot of times you have to have won a

587
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Speaker 1: championship in the NBA, right, you have to have you

588
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: have to have respect to the locker room at the

589
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Speaker 1: highest level. To have respect to the locker room at

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00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the highest level, you have to have one at the

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Speaker 1: highest level. It's like a catch twenty two, the one yes,

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Speaker 1: how did he get it? He got it out of

593
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: relationship which directs this guy and Sean marks him our

594
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: ex teammates and close close friends. And I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: there's a good portion of it which is like, man,

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Speaker 1: how are we going to get a guy who knows

597
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: how to communicate with superstars on their level. Steve Nash

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: is kind of the one is the one guy. Do

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Speaker 1: I think Chauncey could potentially be that type of guy

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Speaker 1: because he's played and he's been so respected. Yes, But

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Speaker 1: do I think it becomes a turnstile in Philadelphia? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, Philadelphia's biggest issue, Okay, everybody talks

603
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: about Simmons shooting, like, yeah, okay, the biggest issue is

604
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Speaker 1: their bench. The Sixers bench was outscored by the Hawks

605
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: bench thirty nine to thirteen. And your bench gets outscored

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Speaker 1: by twenty six points, right, and there you go. It's

607
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: what they haven't been able to do to put her out.

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: So when these guys come out of the game knowing

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00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: and beads always going to have to come out. And

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00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: of course they inherited Ben Simmons, and Simmons is a

611
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: hard one, right. He wants to be a point guard,

612
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: but you gotta put him in the dunkers spot like

613
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: he used to have to with Rondo. With the Celtics,

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00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: the problem is they don't have good enough players around

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Speaker 1: like the Celtics did back in the day. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's a disaster yet if they wos tonight than

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00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: it is and heads will roll. But I just I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be in year one Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: to Portland for CJ. McCollum and so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Whatever salary matches up nisyr Little, maybe Zach Collins, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to do, does that help put more shooting

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Speaker 1: around Joel embiid um and and it moves Ben Simmons,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you could probably try if

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Speaker 1: if I'm getting Ben Simmons whatever, whatever organization I am,

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Speaker 1: I am trying something radical. I'm making him Draymond Green

626
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Speaker 1: my center slash point guard. He's defending opposing centers and

627
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: taking pressure off Dame m. He can't defend opposing centers,

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00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: he can guard one through. Why not? Why can't he try?

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Speaker 1: What great centers are there in the league that he

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Speaker 1: can't guard? Well, it all depends on the type of

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Speaker 1: the type of center, right, like a small ball big

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Speaker 1: he could right, like it's a p J. Tucker or

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green, he could and he does if it's but

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Speaker 1: if it's a if it's a role rim, if it's

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Speaker 1: a uh what's his name? And Rudy Gobert, Clint Capella,

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Speaker 1: those guys are those those guys are those guys are

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Speaker 1: hard to guard on screen roll action because it's just different, right,

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Speaker 1: It's it's why you match up big to big. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's Jonas Valanciunas is like, oh, well, you just put

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons on like nost That's he's like an exception.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just every team has one, right, That's actually

642
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: not every every team has a Yonus. I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: that guy PUTI. They either have a guy who rolls

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Speaker 1: the rim to finish or the guy that can maybe

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Speaker 1: only plays, you know Zooboch only plays. Yeah, I'm not yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yes, but again the like here, here's where you're

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Speaker 1: you're thinking very literally, you're thinking just bold statement, Jason mcintyree.

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Speaker 1: Where the thing is. It's going back to your point

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Speaker 1: about Rudy Gobert. Right, you can make Rudy Gobert chase

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Speaker 1: you on the defensive end, as long as he doesn't

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Speaker 1: hurt you at his offensive Can he hurt you? I

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Speaker 1: think if they had, if they ran more pick and roll, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you can throw it to the rim and he

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Speaker 1: can finish. But that's that's the flat of Rudy Goberis.

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Speaker 1: You just can't score at the block, and I'll given

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Speaker 1: that all all day. I'll give up twos all day

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Speaker 1: for threes. Well, the other question is why would Portland

658
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Speaker 1: one Ben Simmons. Well, here's my thing. If you're Portland,

659
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Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to get premier free agents.

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: That's just the reality. They're not going there. Okay, number two,

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Speaker 1: you have basically gotten as far as you can conference finals, right,

662
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Speaker 1: I think you need to do something radical, try something different.

663
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: The biggest returns in life usually happen when you try

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Speaker 1: something contrarian, do something that really nobody else has done

665
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Speaker 1: or nobody's willing to try. You can't just keep doing

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Speaker 1: things in Portland. Let's try it out the good backcourt.

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Speaker 1: Let's be thin a small forward and we've got some

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Speaker 1: bigs and NRK kitch and bubble like. That's just not

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Speaker 1: gonna get you over the hump. I would sooner try

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Speaker 1: something radically different or just you know, trade damon start over,

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Speaker 1: because you know you can't just trot out this Portland

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Speaker 1: team again and expect to be a top four seed

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Speaker 1: and maybe go to the finals. Try something. I look

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: all that those are that those are the best points

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Speaker 1: you've made. And and look for Damian Lillard, whoever they

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Speaker 1: bring in, Like the truth of Damian Lillard is he's

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Speaker 1: not really a passing point, right, it's not really a

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Speaker 1: plea's a scorer. And he's not really a particularly good defender.

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Speaker 1: He's not a terrible defender, but he's not a great

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Speaker 1: defender at all. And so both of these things Ben

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Speaker 1: Simmons would help with. He's an outstanding passer, he's a

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Speaker 1: versatile defender. The question is going to be, obviously, how

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Speaker 1: do you what do you do with him on offense? Right?

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Speaker 1: Obviously if you play him as a you know, he's

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Speaker 1: like a shrink four shrink five instead of a Stretch

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Speaker 1: four Stretch five. And I don't know if that if

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Speaker 1: his personality and style appeals to Damian Lillard, who will

688
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Speaker 1: probably have some sort of saying what they do because

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Speaker 1: they want to acquiesce to his desires in order to

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Speaker 1: always keep him on board with what Portland's doing. How

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Speaker 1: about this one, Ben Simmons to Charlotte in exchange for

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Speaker 1: like Terry Rogier, Malik Monk and whatever spare parts equal,

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Speaker 1: uh the salaries and the thought process. Here is man

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Speaker 1: you get Ben Simmons and LaMelo Ball. That is what

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Speaker 1: would really good. What would be the appeal to the

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Speaker 1: seventy six ers. Well, you get shooting. You get a

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Speaker 1: guy like Malik Monk who can make threes. I think

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Speaker 1: Terry Rosier was like thirty eight percent from deep. Monk

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Speaker 1: in limited capacity was very good this year. I just

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Speaker 1: think if you're Philly, all you want is shooting. You

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Speaker 1: got Tobias Harris, you got Seth Curry. You need a

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Speaker 1: couple more shooters. I don't think Maxi's there yet anybody.

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Speaker 1: They're built around defense. They're one of the what and

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Speaker 1: where's it gut them? Well? It did give him a

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Speaker 1: twenty five point in late twenty six point lead in

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Speaker 1: the in the second round the playoffs, right, So again

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Speaker 1: you're completely changing and and look then then then there's

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Speaker 1: the big elephant in the room, which is Joel Ken.

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Speaker 1: You do actually trust Joel Embie's gonna stay healthy? I don't.

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Speaker 1: But Okay, so now you've gone so bad, Ben Doug,

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Speaker 1: that I have to concede I have been criminally wrong

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Speaker 1: about Ben Simmons. I have touted that Ben Simmons has

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Speaker 1: been the guy I would trade and beat I would

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Speaker 1: build around Ben Simmons, and this postseason I cannot defend

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Speaker 1: it anymore. I mean, I'm embarrassed that I have rode

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Speaker 1: this train so full far. I mean, he's criminally bad.

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Speaker 1: the inner workings of this is Ryan Hollins, Tenure NBA VET,

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Speaker 1: fall him on Twitter at the Ryan Hollins Ryan, let's

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Speaker 1: let's start in Nola. If you're David Griffin, how do

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Speaker 1: you try and make it work with Zion? Well, you

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Speaker 1: got to bring him in somewhat. I know he's young.

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Speaker 1: In the this hiring process, you know, he's got to

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable in the next head coach that you bring in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be someone who who can relate to him,

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Speaker 1: who can speak to him, but also isn't going to

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Speaker 1: just give him his way and let this be the

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Speaker 1: Zions the show. I played in situations where I knew

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Speaker 1: the star player had more control than the head coach,

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Speaker 1: and it was ugly. It was ugly. We weren't a

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Speaker 1: good team. It didn't work out. I'm not gonna name

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Speaker 1: him names. I'm gonna just leave that out there for

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Speaker 1: you guys. It didn't work out. And I've been in

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Speaker 1: situations with a head coach had respect and a star

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Speaker 1: player knew that to do what he needed to do.

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Speaker 1: But Zion Williamson has to learn how to be a superstar.

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Speaker 1: He got superstars like talent. He's I think he's over

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00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: exceeded at least my expectations and many of our expectations.

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00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: But he's still on the cuss of, like, hey, kind

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Speaker 1: of what are you in this league? And to me,

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Speaker 1: it's no gosh darn excuse anywhere on anybody's planet that

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the ten seed or better in any

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00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Western conference with two All Stars on the same team.

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00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: We don't need to go down that road. But ultimately,

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Speaker 1: he needs a coach who can get him in line.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately I love the idea of a former player

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Speaker 1: or someone who can talk that talk, because you got

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Speaker 1: to be able to relate to your players, and you

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Speaker 1: got one job as a head coach in the NBA

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Speaker 1: relate to your players. I don't know, Ryan, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like you're pinning some of this struggles on Zion. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was the best post scorer in the NBA this year.

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Speaker 1: He's basically shattered all records. Like teenagers, why couldn't they

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Speaker 1: win the rosters? Sing? But why couldn't they wear David

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Speaker 1: Griffin put together a garbage roster? Garbage is harsh. These

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Speaker 1: guys are perfe garbage. Brandon Ingram is a good scorer,

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Speaker 1: That's what Brandon Ingram is. He's a good score. He's

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Speaker 1: a good number three. They paid him like he's a

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Speaker 1: number one or two. He's he's a very good score,

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Speaker 1: very good, very he's he's not Minnie Durant, but he's not.

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Speaker 1: But okay, they don't play any defense. Spot stop it.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't don't do that. So so none

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Speaker 1: of this falls on the shoulders of Van Gundi and Griffin.

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Speaker 1: You're putting it all on Zion. No, some of it,

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Speaker 1: some of it is. But Ryan saying is like, look,

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Speaker 1: some of what Stan van Gundi wanted them to do

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Speaker 1: is is still gonna be a problem no matter who's

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Speaker 1: the coach. He wanted to play defense. They don't play

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Speaker 1: a defense. Nobody in the NBA plays defense. This is

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Speaker 1: the best defensive in the history. Westbrook alone can get

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Speaker 1: you to the playoffs. Maybe, well what Russell Westbrook alone.

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Speaker 1: Bradley Beale was an All NBA player, Ryan stopped. He

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Speaker 1: was an All NBA player this year. It was the East. West.

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Speaker 1: Didn't do that in the West. Okay, see, once Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant left, don't do that with me. Let's not talk.

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00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook couldn't do that. It was a championship caliber

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Speaker 1: team that you you took him out and he like,

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Speaker 1: what we doing? What are we doing? Well? I don't

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Speaker 1: know how we we veered off of course. Um okay,

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you on talked like, I think

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Speaker 1: that's the trend that you're seeing in the NBA, right,

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Speaker 1: guys that guys that are are Ty Lou, Guys that

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Speaker 1: are Steve Nash, Guys that are in their forties played

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Speaker 1: or Jamal Moseley relatable. That guys. The the the old

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Speaker 1: NBA coach thing is kind of tired, kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of going away. Who's the guy in New Orleans? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it Fred Vincent? Is that who they elevate? I

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Speaker 1: don't know about that. Chaunty billops. I think you gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta go after you know, obviously he's looking like

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd is off the market. Maybe maybe the right

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Speaker 1: price may sway him. Uh, Chauncey billups. Uh, There's there's

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Speaker 1: a number of guys you gotta, you know, sale a Fizdale.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't have to be a former big time pro,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe an assistant irrelatable assistant there. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not clear. I mean, shoot, Sam kiself, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why people haven't thrown money in Sam Cansel.

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Speaker 1: Yet we saw how excellent he was with Shay Gildrick,

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Speaker 1: Alexander if job Wall. You know, outside of the injuries,

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00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: hadn't really played as well as basketball as since. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was with Sam Cazale kind of tutoring and mentoring him.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing his bro But he's gotta have someone that

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00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: that develops. But it's got you know, you gotta talk

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00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: to talk, Doug. Doug, you're a former player, you know

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Speaker 1: what the talk is. There's a different talk in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. You gotta be able to talk to talk.

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Speaker 1: You know, ty Lou when tyl Lou was an assistant

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Speaker 1: when I was in Boston in LA he was able

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Speaker 1: to get in Kg's behind just because he talked to talk.

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Speaker 1: He understood it. You know, he knew buttons a push.

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Speaker 1: You know, I heard him screaming Blake Griffin and Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul when they weren't doing their jobs. You know, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have someone who can relate. And there's levels to this,

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Speaker 1: and there's a different type of unwritten rule in the

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Speaker 1: locker room that an assistant or a former player may

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Speaker 1: have and understand that the head coach may not. You know,

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Speaker 1: in Zion Williamson in particular, he needs someone who can

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Speaker 1: push those right buttons. Luka Donez clearly needed someone who

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Speaker 1: can push the right buttons. I mean he played well,

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Speaker 1: but clearly he went on the same page with Rick Carlisle,

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Speaker 1: a coach that I played for. Ryan, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on the on the former player. But

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Speaker 1: what happened? What about Lloyd Pierson Atlanta? Lloyd Pierson Trey

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Speaker 1: Young seemed to get along last year and then they

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Speaker 1: had then offseason Summer of love out here, all these

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Speaker 1: great stories about of the Hawks for bonding, and then

840
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's hurting. Lloyd Pierce gets fired. He apparently

841
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Trey Young didn't like him, wanted a new guy, and

842
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Speaker 1: now we got kind of an old school guy named McMillan.

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Speaker 1: Is he old school enough? I mean he played Helen.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Lloyd Lloyd may have been. For one,

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Speaker 1: Lloyd may have been too young. And for two, Trey

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Speaker 1: Young at that stage in his career may have had

847
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of too much freedoms. Yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: I mean but that I haven't been there in that

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Speaker 1: locker room. I haven't spoken to people, but somebody outset

850
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Speaker 1: and looking at things that I've heard, Trey Young was

851
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: just all powerful without having all the wins and was

852
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: kind of running the muck and saying what he wanted to.

853
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: And I'm sure when Nate McMillan came into that locker room,

854
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: he brought respect to those guys. Those guys learned how

855
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: to be teammates, they learned how to grow. So Trey

856
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: was too young to have the young coach, you know

857
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because respect is a huge factor, you know,

858
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Speaker 1: like when Lebron looked at ty Lou, he could be

859
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Speaker 1: like dog. I played with MJ. I was in there

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Speaker 1: with MJ. I was in there with Kobe, I was

861
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Speaker 1: in there with Shock. So not only do I know

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Speaker 1: how to talk to you, I'm a world champion. I

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Speaker 1: got something that you want to have, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. For I've seen guys go places where you

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Speaker 1: want to go, So you do have to carry a

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Speaker 1: strong level of respect. And I just think Nate McMillan

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Speaker 1: was a good mix. You didn't need a young guy

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Speaker 1: or coaching that and it great coach. Now listen, and

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00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of it's about it's not necessarily about whether

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Speaker 1: or not a guy can do it or can't do it,

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00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: but the timing and the fit and the like effect

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00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: you know it. But it's it's there's where do you

873
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: get a player? What is the Trey young things you

874
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: pointed out as hard right, came in the league and

875
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: he plays away, which he's going to dominate the ball.

876
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: He'll take that one extra dribble so he makes sure

877
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: he gets an assist. He won't particularly good defensively. You

878
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: got to hold him accountable, and yet you still need

879
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: him to grow in order to be It's it's a

880
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: it's a hard one. It's really hard, all right. Let's

881
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: get let's get to really quickly. Um, how much do

882
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: you hold Doc Rivers accountable for what happened two nights ago?

883
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: Here's here's the mass. Doc Rivers has been a part

884
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: of some of the largest comebacks in NBA history, and

885
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: he's got to take accountability for that as a coach.

886
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: But for me, and I've screamed from the mountaintops from

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00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: day one, Doug, I've been assassinated a lot more than

888
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: you via social media and internet all that. I said.

889
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: The problems with Ben Simmons where they were they were

890
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: just glaring and Philadelphia would have shoot success until he

891
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: got found a jump shot or just something efficient in

892
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: fourth quarters and in the second half of that game,

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00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: for Ben Simmons to go completely ineffective, it's inexcusable. I meant,

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00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: get the ball on the post, you know, missing free

895
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: throws at the guard spot, it's inexcusable. So for only

896
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid to have a ball in his hand and

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00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: curry the score in the second half of that game,

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00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work. If you were coaching against

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00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers and you knew, damn well at some point,

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00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: Nick McMillan knew who we are going to down the stretch.

901
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: You can't post up down the stretch. You're running Joel

902
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Embiid off of a stagger, scream like. It's just not

903
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: going to work. So once Jimmy Butler left, Billy's chances

904
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: went down to tube Like Nick asked Nate, Nick millan,

905
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: figuring it out, said who whoa whoa who are they

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00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: going to? Guys, they don't have anybody to go to.

907
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Who's there? Hold on you name a cold Jason, don't

908
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: do that. The calls are really listen, Ryan Oh wait,

909
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: this was the November one team in the East best record.

910
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: They steamroll the Hawks for three quarters and it was

911
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: simply a fourth quarter collapse because of Doc Rivers. Don't

912
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: pin this all on Ben Simmons because he hasn't taken

913
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: a shot in the fourth quarter of the last two games.

914
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris, he's making the most money on that damn roster.

915
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: Jason Jason. You couldn't lock him. You can lock him

916
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: in the Jimmy couldn't score ten a game, right, stop him?

917
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: All stars in NBA history, one of the best is

918
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: fault that he can't make a free throw. He couldn't

919
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding free throw. Listen, it's it's okay, let's

920
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: let's let's get to We're not gonna convince j Jason Jason.

921
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: This is like convincing Donald Trump that the elector lost

922
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: lost lost the election. No no, mister President, you lost.

923
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no Simmons, President, you lost, No

924
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: no no no, you're law do we checked it all

925
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: out and your laws like no, no, no, no no. Benson,

926
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: you could do three percent on Tobias Harris and you

927
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: go thirty fire on Doc. Let me ask this hold

928
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: on hold on is is Luca Dontech's job in Dallas?

929
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Is that a good coaching job? Given what we know

930
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: about Mark Cuban, about the shadow GM Harlabab and Luca

931
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Done being a superstar? Is that a good job in Dallas?

932
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: And think this over before you answer, Oh, great, they

933
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: got the best player in the league. Man, Like you

934
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: guys know, I don't cuss, but you almost made me

935
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: Cuse Jason mctard, I don't cutt Are you kidding me?

936
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: That is an amazing job. You want to know why?

937
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Because Mark Cuban is willing to do anything to win.

938
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: When Steve Bamber came into the Clippers, okay, maybe we

939
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: can say, well, Kawhi, you didn't do this a document,

940
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: but see bombers like all here poem here to keys,

941
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: What do y'all needs? Mark Cuban is the same way

942
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: saying what do you need to win? What do I

943
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: need to put around you? Luca? I got my guy. Sorry, Luca,

944
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: you're bigger than Donnie Nelson, You're bigger than Rick Carlile Rick,

945
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: thank you for your services, but no, thank you, Luca Done.

946
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: I can win the championship with you, and if you

947
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: step in as a head coach, you gotta come in.

948
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, you gotta have respect.

949
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: When I was there the year prior or excuse me,

950
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: sometime the coach fire was Avery Johnson. That a problem

951
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: is when Avery got promoted, Avery was getting micro managed, right,

952
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: So if you are a coach, you gotta have the

953
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: respect there where Cuban ain't sending you put you know,

954
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: cars and say put this guy in the game or resturance.

955
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: That's what the shadow GM is doing. And by the way,

956
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban will do anything to win, but he hasn't

957
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: won a playoff series in a decade. So yeah, you're right,

958
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: Ryan has to do don't do that. He has a championship.

959
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: He got do that Jason ten years ago. Doesn't matter

960
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: one more than one more than all these other Real quick, uh,

961
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: real quick, here Ryan to the studio man, Ryan ry

962
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: um can Can the Nets win as currently comprised against them?

963
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: Or will the Nets win as currently comprised against the Bucks?

964
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: They will? James Harden is getting better and better. He

965
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: actually kind of looked like himself for a couple of possessions,

966
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Speaker 1: if not a quarter last night. Uh, if I had

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00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: to put my money on Middleton and Jannis or Kevin

968
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: Durant by himself. I'm going with Kevin Durant. I thought

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Speaker 1: the chess match behind the scenes was excellent from Budd,

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00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: because Budd, if you watch on film, and I want

971
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Speaker 1: to point this out, you know the basketball nerd me

972
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: is jumping out. Kevin Durant arguably has the most prolific

973
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: fade away jumper in NBA history, Sorry Michael Jordan. And

974
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: what they started to do is they overplayed his fade

975
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: away and ran a double team from the base ever seen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is no, no, no, no, no no. It was

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Speaker 1: for the jumper though, for the fada. So when when

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Speaker 1: Kad went to his move to the fender just jumped

979
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: and sold out and then the second guy came late.

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00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: Normally that double team you forced the guy to drive

981
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: and you double team to drive. I've never seen the

982
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: double team on the fadeaway, but it was an intriguing

983
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: way that Budd played it. Jannis didn't take a three pointer.

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00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: The hardest thing that Kevin Kevin Garnett told me in

985
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: my career during our playoff run, was that the hardest

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Speaker 1: thing you ever do is eliminated a team. I don't

987
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: care how good or bad they are. It's hard to

988
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: eliminate the team. Hardest thing you're ever going to do

989
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: in your life is eliminated the team at the playoffs,

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00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: in the buck showers that last night, but in a

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00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: Game seven at the crib. I've got my money on

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00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: easy money sniper Fellas. That's Ryan Hollins Tenure NBA Vetch.

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00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: I got the opinionated Seven Footers podcast. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: Ryan entire you Son Nelson. I'm on my way man,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there in fifteen minutes. Bro A right good.

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Speaker 1: You can answer this question