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Speaker 1: Radio one of them productions. Season five, episode eight. The
Speaker 1: Party's over and we can't even see him on our
Speaker 1: end to get the party started because Amy is having
Speaker 1: a little bit of technical difficulty. She's in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got the breaking news that
Speaker 1: Amy is in Los Angeles in her Los Angeles estate.
Speaker 1: She's having to stay in the poolhouse because the estate's
Speaker 1: being renovated. But she she's having a little difficulty logging in.
Speaker 1: She's she's brought too many computers with her from northern California.
Speaker 1: She has fourteen computers in front of version. She's getting confused.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna we're going to dig into this episode.
Speaker 1: What did everybody think? Oh wait a minute, before we
Speaker 1: even get to that, Danielle, you have to synopsize all synopsize.
Speaker 3: So this is season five, episode eight, The Party's Over.
Speaker 3: Air date November ninth, two thousand and four. Richard and
Speaker 3: Emily throw a Yale alumni party in order to find
Speaker 3: a suitable young man for Rory. After learning of her
Speaker 3: relationship with Dean. Luke shows off his culinary talent on
Speaker 3: a date night with Loralai, but their dinner is ruined
Speaker 3: by Stars Hollows Newest Residents TJ and Liz Again TJ
Speaker 3: with this episode?
Speaker 1: Right, Oh man, I sad?
Speaker 4: You good?
Speaker 1: What did everybody think? Tara? What'd you think of this episode?
Speaker 4: I loved it?
Speaker 3: It was fun, Danielle, I loved it. I thought it
Speaker 3: was fun. I have so many things to dissect, but
Speaker 3: I'll wait to go in order. Seems like Amy is
Speaker 3: actually just joining us too, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: I really liked it too, and I thought it had
Speaker 1: a good beat and I could dance to it.
Speaker 3: So I just want to try Luke's dinner. Like I
Speaker 3: was hungry after this episode now.
Speaker 1: I was actually wanting to try Emily's. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be at Emily's dinner table to have that chicken that
Speaker 1: she piled onto laurelized plate. They gave her about four pieces. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a terrific episode, hysterically funny.
Speaker 1: I was laughing a lot through this, I mean good
Speaker 1: belly laughs throughout the whole thing. And this I think
Speaker 1: this really flexed its comedy muscles more than anything, and
Speaker 1: still propelled the drama forward. There was there was drama, rama,
Speaker 1: but it was funny and it was a fun ride.
Speaker 1: Actually one of my favorite episodes. It really again, and
Speaker 1: I know I keep repeating mysel self, but this seems
Speaker 1: to keep raising the bar on these episodes in terms
Speaker 1: of the entertainment value because.
Speaker 5: It was and anyone hear me, yes, yes, we.
Speaker 1: Can hear you from your massive SANEMONI.
Speaker 5: Because this is the best episode ever.
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp is in the house, Johnny, how are you?
Speaker 5: Did you guys? Miss me? Did you guys? Miss me?
Speaker 1: Yes? Terribly. Anyway, let's get back to it. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: all need therapy to fill that void that you left.
Speaker 5: So much to discuss. We're going to go bit by bit.
Speaker 5: Are you with the Gilmours or against the Gilmours Richard
Speaker 5: and Emily.
Speaker 1: I'm with them. I'm with them.
Speaker 5: They knew, they knew better. That's okay.
Speaker 4: You're with them as in you agree with what they did.
Speaker 1: How many people in this world would give their left
Speaker 1: arm to be in Rory's position, with grandparents like that,
Speaker 1: who care that much, who want to give her the world?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Right, I think.
Speaker 3: I agree in the sense of, like, that's amazing. What
Speaker 3: I hate about it is they know she has a boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like I was going to say.
Speaker 3: If that was removed from it, I'd be like, this
Speaker 3: is still really old school and kind of like slightly
Speaker 3: cringe that they're throwing a party to like help Rory
Speaker 3: find a boy that is of a certain caliber. But
Speaker 3: it would have been a little bit better if she
Speaker 3: was at least single.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and it's after they knew that she was
Speaker 4: back with Dean, so it's kind of like, let's get
Speaker 4: her away from Dean and find her someone new.
Speaker 3: Although I'm not not at Rory getting away from Dean, like, yes, hey, but.
Speaker 4: I meant the principal of it exactly.
Speaker 1: As grandparents, right, And you have to give the older.
Speaker 1: Older people in our society have the ability to see
Speaker 1: the future better than anybody. They can predict the future
Speaker 1: better than anybody. So Richard and Emily have seen this
Speaker 1: movie before in their own family with Laurelin, they've seen
Speaker 1: it with other kids. They know how things work. They
Speaker 1: are mature, they are wise, and they are providing, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the necessary guidance to a girl who they
Speaker 1: feel is under the tuttlage of somebody who they do
Speaker 1: not trust.
Speaker 5: So here you want to step.
Speaker 1: In and fill the void and provide some really solid
Speaker 1: guidance and give her a very clear choice. She can
Speaker 1: choose to take it or not. But they want to
Speaker 1: provide the choice.
Speaker 5: Yes, So here's the interesting rub of it. Although I
Speaker 5: don't love that they sort of snakily did this. Right, Oh,
Speaker 5: we're having Yale alumni over and really it's just all
Speaker 5: eligible bachelor's college age.
Speaker 3: And it was a tiara like necessary.
Speaker 5: We'll get into that.
Speaker 4: We'll get into that point.
Speaker 5: But in the sense that they were right, like she
Speaker 5: was having once Logan was around and kind of acclimated
Speaker 5: her to the group, she was having a great time.
Speaker 5: She totally forgot about Dean. She walks outside and like,
Speaker 5: Dean dumpster right there. And you know, we'll get to
Speaker 5: the debate about Logan within this.
Speaker 3: I think that moment for him was the light bulb moment. Uhha, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we do not belong together.
Speaker 4: And it's finally on his terms, Like every time it's
Speaker 4: been on Rory's terms of like she's been interested in
Speaker 4: someone else this or that, and it's finally he's like
Speaker 4: I'm done.
Speaker 3: I correct, But also I don't think it was him
Speaker 3: being like I'm over you, I'm done and walking away.
Speaker 3: I think it was our visions for what our life
Speaker 3: should be like and will be like and what we
Speaker 3: wanted to be like are not aligned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And.
Speaker 3: I think it was actually kind of mature of him
Speaker 3: in a weird way to be like, I recognize what's happening,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna He has so self respect.
Speaker 5: I think he had self respect going you're here with
Speaker 5: all these guys, I don't what am I doing here?
Speaker 5: And he was right, what was he doing there? Any
Speaker 5: And he just took himself out of the race. He
Speaker 5: grew a pair at the end and said what am
Speaker 5: I doing here? I'm not doing this, because I actually
Speaker 5: think it would have been worse if if he took
Speaker 5: her out, like after she's been like at this party
Speaker 5: that he's not invited to with all these guys. Clearly
Speaker 5: she's having the time of her life, she's tipsy. He's
Speaker 5: growing a pair by being like, I'm out. This isn't
Speaker 5: this isn't good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in the past what we saw was him
Speaker 3: getting a physical altercation with Jess. You know, they punched
Speaker 3: each other, Like he could have really easily been like,
Speaker 3: what are you guys doing with my girl?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: And he was just like, dude, this is.
Speaker 1: Telling you Rory is a wrecking ball. She's a wrecking ball.
Speaker 1: She she she belongs with the logan, she belongs in
Speaker 1: that world. Her grandparents know it. Her mother's trying to
Speaker 1: fight it. I do agree the grandparents should have consulted
Speaker 1: laural I. They had to go through the proper protocols,
Speaker 1: but they knew what laural I would say, they knew.
Speaker 5: What about consulting Rory?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: They called her an invite. They called her and they
Speaker 1: invited her to the party. Alumni, Hey, figure it out, Rory,
Speaker 1: what do you think this is?
Speaker 4: I would I wouldn't have thought it would be like
Speaker 4: a bachelor bachelor party.
Speaker 1: Like she's invited to a party, she's dripping in diamonds
Speaker 1: and they're presenting her. This is so what I think
Speaker 1: she was support We feel sorry for Rory.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I mean I think I think she
Speaker 4: also respects did her grandparents in that, Like she she
Speaker 4: was doing everything that they asked, like she was talking
Speaker 4: to everyone. But I think it's just the principle of
Speaker 4: that like they knew that she's with Dean, and so
Speaker 4: it's kind of like they're focing her to break up.
Speaker 1: Dean had a shot he got you know, it's not
Speaker 1: happening for Dean. I mean, yeah, go go to college,
Speaker 1: Go get a life. She did everything she could for
Speaker 1: you, you know, and you did everything and you loved her
Speaker 1: and it was pure and it just didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And yet just because you love each other doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're going to end up together. The grandparents realizes why
Speaker 1: doesn't Laurel.
Speaker 5: I well, and it hasn't been unicorns and rainbows for
Speaker 5: Dean and Rory of late. So I think this is
Speaker 5: the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah. Wait, I
Speaker 5: wanted to ask you when you said Rory is a
Speaker 5: wrecking ball? Is that a compliment or a dig? Because
Speaker 5: I could take it both ways.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an intentional wrecking ball. I think
Speaker 1: it's a young girl, a young woman, you know, navigating
Speaker 1: through her first relationships. And these relationships have a very
Speaker 1: minor chance of working out long term. They're just sort
Speaker 1: of you know, that's the education relationships. This is how
Speaker 1: you learn what's right for you and what's wrong and
Speaker 1: to function within a relationship, and they're all great, and
Speaker 1: Dean's great on you know, in on his own terms.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't It's it's like, how much punishment is
Speaker 1: this guy going to take before he just finally he
Speaker 1: realizes it and goes away. Yeah. Yeah, but he knew
Speaker 1: it was coming anyway. He knew it was coming when
Speaker 1: he can't have an intelligent conversation with Rory about the
Speaker 1: article she wrote. She was wanting notes, specifics he couldn't
Speaker 1: give them.
Speaker 5: I agree with so right there.
Speaker 1: That that relationship doesn't have a chance. Don't have a chance.
Speaker 4: I mean, Dean's not going to be the one. It's
Speaker 4: definitely a Logan or even a Jess could have a
Speaker 4: conversation with her about that article. It's just something that
Speaker 4: Dean was never interested in anyway. And I think it
Speaker 4: upsets her too that he's, like, you know, she wanted
Speaker 4: It's kind of like, you know, when you're excited about
Speaker 4: something and you want to tell your friend and you
Speaker 4: want them to be excited with you. She wanted that,
Speaker 4: and he didn't really give her anything.
Speaker 3: He couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. He did the best he could,
Speaker 1: you know, That's what I was.
Speaker 5: I was trying to find those.
Speaker 1: Words he could. He did really well, he got married.
Speaker 1: He you know, he cheated on his wife with her.
Speaker 1: I mean, they love each other obviously, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's not working out. It's just a mess. Thinks
Speaker 1: a mess. It's a checkered past, it's a bad history
Speaker 1: they have.
Speaker 5: So do you think he should have stayed with Lindsay?
Speaker 5: Like forget Rory. Pretend he never cheated on Lindsay with
Speaker 5: Rory and Rory never put herself back in the option,
Speaker 5: Like what what would it right? Justice for Lindsay?
Speaker 1: Or how you gonna how are you going to rehabilitate
Speaker 1: a relationship when you're so young after something like that?
Speaker 5: But pretend that never happens.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's twenty thirty years into a relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if it didn't happen and we're just
Speaker 3: you know, they're they're married, he would have been just fine.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's because of Rory, you know, like that's
Speaker 3: the main thing, Like she's the reason why that happened.
Speaker 5: Although he was playing video games and wasn't hanging out
Speaker 5: with her and that had nothing to do with Rory
Speaker 5: I think it would have been just as enjoyable to watch,
Speaker 5: like get rid of Dean two weeks ago and have
Speaker 5: Rory lean in to this party, essentially because the party
Speaker 5: was enjoyable to watch and Logan rolling in and arm
Speaker 5: around the whole thing, like I kind of forgot about
Speaker 5: Dean and wanted him to sort of not show up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been totally different vibe if they
Speaker 4: had broken up because they couldn't connect, like two weeks ago,
Speaker 4: Like we could have watched her have some fun.
Speaker 1: I totally agree, Yeah, let her have some fun. I
Speaker 1: was working hard. Why not just Dean, you know, showing
Speaker 1: up looking through a window seeing that? Why why do
Speaker 1: we need this? Like I'm not right for you? It
Speaker 1: was just too much?
Speaker 3: Am I the only one I liked it? I really
Speaker 3: liked it. I liked that he showed up at the
Speaker 3: Gilmour's house and Rory comes out of the house like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's eight forty five and fifteen minutes later.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, let's just re
Speaker 1: let's rewind the tape. Here, Gang, Logan and all of
Speaker 1: them are in Richard's the poolhouse getting plastered, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's plastered.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: I was like, I did too, I did too.
Speaker 3: It looks like they're having a grand time.
Speaker 1: And then they decide that Rory, okay, this idea from Logan,
Speaker 1: the master manipulator, saying, hey, well we got to meet
Speaker 1: this guy, let's just go on out and see what's
Speaker 1: going on. And I and you just know like that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a disaster. Who's gonna deal with that? Why did?
Speaker 1: And so my question you guys is, would if you
Speaker 1: were in Rory's position, would you have allowed that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Absolutely not. It wasulous. How did that even happen? How
Speaker 6: did she trapes out of that house, you know, with
Speaker 6: a gaggle of young wealthy men behind her. It's just
Speaker 6: sort of cockily staring.
Speaker 5: I want to know if you were Dean in that
Speaker 5: situation and Rory comes out of a house tipsy with
Speaker 5: ten rich ass dudes with her, You're in your pickup truck,
Speaker 5: not invited. Also not invited.
Speaker 1: We would done at left too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I know why I like this. I think
Speaker 3: I know why I like the Dean moment. And we'll
Speaker 3: get to the Lorelei moment at the end later. But
Speaker 3: I feel like in this Episod said, we see two
Speaker 3: people that are acknowledging that Rory is changing, and I
Speaker 3: liked having both of them someone a boy from her
Speaker 3: past and her mom two quote unquote pillars in her life.
Speaker 3: I acknowledge that she's moving on from who they are.
Speaker 3: I just liked it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what the ninja you know what the ninja
Speaker 1: Dean move would have been. Here's the here's the move. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this this is what really he should have done right,
Speaker 1: what a should have cut it right. We're getting into
Speaker 1: that zone now. Hey, Roy, looks like the parties here.
Speaker 1: Let's just stay here. I don't want to take you
Speaker 1: away from this. Invite me in. I'd love to meet
Speaker 1: your grandparents. Boom, that's the move. That's what a cool
Speaker 1: guy would have done. And then they're in the poolhouse
Speaker 1: with Dean. He's getting a little loaded. Boom, boom. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe we get some fisticuffs with you know whoever, who's
Speaker 1: the Finn guy, Finn.
Speaker 5: Dean hunch Jess So, but I do think Scott you're
Speaker 5: onto something. If Dean was the guy he would have,
Speaker 5: he would have been like, look, you have a great
Speaker 5: time here, I'll just come in, let's hang, and then
Speaker 5: he would have been able to go like head off.
Speaker 5: T Is that what they say, Dean?
Speaker 3: But I'm calling like a red flag because if Dean
Speaker 3: went walked into that party, he would not be throwing
Speaker 3: back a beer.
Speaker 1: Or no invited in. After she comes out with those guys,
Speaker 1: and he stands the situation and instead of going all like,
Speaker 1: you know, tiny little nuts, he he he goes, uh.
Speaker 3: All right, tiny a little mutch.
Speaker 1: You know, and Steady and Steady goes, all right, you
Speaker 1: know you want to deal with these bull balls. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go in the party. I'll show you how. I'll
Speaker 1: show you how real dude parties. Okay, right, not that guy.
Speaker 5: He's not the guy.
Speaker 1: Not that guy.
Speaker 5: Here's my question to begin. If Logan the like king
Speaker 5: of the popular guys like he is the head. So
Speaker 5: we start in the yard of the pool house. Each
Speaker 5: looked beautiful with the lights, which Emily being mad was hilarious.
Speaker 5: So I mean, how funny that they wanted to eat
Speaker 5: so bad those skewers. Like Emily comes out and they
Speaker 5: quickly took the skewers like we know, she's gonna blow
Speaker 5: her lid with these so I thought, great beginning. I
Speaker 5: laughed at the skewers. I laughed at the bit that
Speaker 5: it's appetizers. Then they're full they can't eat, And then
Speaker 5: we do get that she's talking to the boy and
Speaker 5: she says it's Dean.
Speaker 3: I actually in the most important part, she goes up
Speaker 3: to Richard and says we need to talk. Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: like because now you can see them coming back to
Speaker 3: being on the same team.
Speaker 5: And I love the pool house. I'm obsessed with the Poolhouse.
Speaker 5: So we then go to the diner and we have
Speaker 5: Liz and we realize that she's moving to Star's Hollow
Speaker 5: and how she has enough money to have its like
Speaker 5: second home or but apparently she's gotten dough. Here's what
Speaker 5: I'm wondering though. Do you think she got money when
Speaker 5: you when you Luke's father died, Obviously Luke's dad had money,
Speaker 5: so maybe you took over the diner and she got
Speaker 5: some sort of a I don't know, a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine holmes are expensive there anyway.
Speaker 5: Right, So I don't know, but great fodder for us
Speaker 5: that she's she's moved to Stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: I don't know it made me feel a little uncomfortable
Speaker 1: that Luke was, you know, so demonstrably against this, and
Speaker 1: that's a sister, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't blame him though he's had such a toxic
Speaker 3: relationship with his sister in the past. Right now, it's
Speaker 3: great to that they won't it wasn't you know. He
Speaker 3: was hesitant for her to come back into his life
Speaker 3: to begin with, and now she's like coming back.
Speaker 1: I don't know the show. You know, it's a family show.
Speaker 1: It's a family value show, and that's not a family
Speaker 1: value that you want to promote, right, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like a brother rejecting his sister. Stay the heck away
Speaker 1: from me. You're bad news, You're a lost cause I
Speaker 1: don't want you in my town. I don't want to deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, what.
Speaker 5: Not so aggressive? But what about a daughter rejecting her parents?
Speaker 5: I mean, this show's got some conflict.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's the basis of
Speaker 1: the whole show, right, It's like, Luke's relationship with his
Speaker 1: sister is not the basis of the show. It's not
Speaker 1: the foundation of the show that is. So you accept
Speaker 1: that because that's the start. That's the jumping off point
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 5: He wasn't so negative, Oh I thought he was.
Speaker 1: It was uncomfortable for me to watch. I feel like
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 5: Sort of like are you sure, because.
Speaker 1: More like he just dreaded her being around.
Speaker 5: But is there a chance that he was being like,
Speaker 5: are you sure you want to do this, like put
Speaker 5: all this money into this thing when you don't even
Speaker 5: want to be here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't out of concern. It was out of his
Speaker 1: selfish need to be away from his sister for some reason,
Speaker 1: and we kind of know the reasons. But again, it
Speaker 1: flies in the face of what the show is trying
Speaker 1: to represent. Right, So it's like, what kind of conflict
Speaker 1: is this? Like fake, fakey fake conflict they're trying to
Speaker 1: generate for the sake of having conflict.
Speaker 5: You know, well, they do it because we get the
Speaker 5: brilliance of TJ coming over and ruining the dates. So
Speaker 5: to me, I think the writers are like, let's write
Speaker 5: this little thing in that their move get him back in.
Speaker 5: I could look at it as you were sort of
Speaker 5: being a decent big brother without you don't have any
Speaker 5: like softness about it, but you're just like, are you sure?
Speaker 5: This is what you want.
Speaker 1: If he was a decent big brother about it, he
Speaker 1: would have he would have helped them find a house.
Speaker 5: Hmmm, what's a MOUNTI hat?
Speaker 1: It's a Canadian Mounted Police officer that rides a horse,
Speaker 1: you know, the big Oh, it's like a sombrero almost.
Speaker 5: You have them. Yeah, all right, So we learned that
Speaker 5: Luke is a fabulous cook, and I got kind of
Speaker 5: excited about that date. I'm not gonna lie like that
Speaker 5: was a good sort of teaser where I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be good. So Richard and Emily call Rory.
Speaker 5: Did you especially Scott and Danielle did you know did
Speaker 5: you know that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just the fact that they were so happy being
Speaker 3: next to each other in the same room, Like, whatever
Speaker 3: is going to happen on this call is not going to.
Speaker 4: Be good, Like the first thing they agreed on and alone, Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're scheming something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Scott, did you think that too, that you're like,
Speaker 5: what are they up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But it's always good. It's nothing bad. And they're together,
Speaker 1: they're you know, you're they're coming together. They're being a
Speaker 1: couple again, which is good. That's a positive. They're helping
Speaker 1: their granddaughter. They're you know, that's good debate.
Speaker 5: It's debatable. I love it, don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 5: love it, but it is debatable.
Speaker 1: There is a point now with Laurel, is that anything
Speaker 1: they do say, you know, it's going to trigger Laurel
Speaker 1: I in a in a in a way that she's
Speaker 1: going to pick up the phone and start screaming at people.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's getting it's getting to be the same
Speaker 1: old hat and it's like, get over it. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're doing the best they can for your daughter.
Speaker 5: Well, but the same way, because he was right that
Speaker 5: they were scheme in against you.
Speaker 1: So what they should, Oh.
Speaker 5: You are very team Richard and Emily where I love
Speaker 5: them with a with a arms leg.
Speaker 1: It's who they are. I accept them. That's who they are.
Speaker 1: But they don't try that hard with lor They don't
Speaker 1: care about Lourle. I they've given up, they're but they're
Speaker 1: not giving up on Rory. They even said it, said,
Speaker 1: well you're a lost cause they find their own daughter
Speaker 1: to be pathetic. They do, and they just tolerate her.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't really respect her.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't use them. I don't think they think she's
Speaker 5: put that.
Speaker 1: Of course they do. They constantly ignore her. They mock her.
Speaker 1: Put yourself in Emily and Richard shoes. Put yourself in
Speaker 1: their shoes. Look at it from their point of view.
Speaker 1: But these worlds are colliding, and that's what all this
Speaker 1: conflict is about. But put yourself in Richard and Emily's shoes.
Speaker 1: They've got an agenda. It's as legitimate as anything on
Speaker 1: the TV show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with if I were to put myself
Speaker 3: in their shoes. They look at Laura Lai saying she's
Speaker 3: she's a wild horse. She's gonna do whatever she wants
Speaker 3: when she wants. We can't. We have no influence over
Speaker 3: her versus Rory is showing signs that she wants to
Speaker 3: be a Gilmore going to Yale, you know, oh as
Speaker 3: friends with the popular guy, a hunts Burger. You know,
Speaker 3: like they're seeing these little clues that like she can
Speaker 3: be who they are, and I think they feel like
Speaker 3: they can mold her to that and get her there.
Speaker 5: Both correct. I just don't think they think she's pathetic.
Speaker 5: I think they just think she's out of their control.
Speaker 5: And I think on some level they actually admire her,
Speaker 5: but they cannot control Listen.
Speaker 1: They are fighting for their Gilmore name, they are fighting
Speaker 1: for their bloodline, they are fighting for the future because
Speaker 1: Rory is their last best hope. She's their only grandchild one.
Speaker 1: They have one grandchild. They had one daughter. They screwed
Speaker 1: that up, okay, or it got screwed up. They have
Speaker 1: one granddaughter to carry on the legacy of the Gilmore's
Speaker 1: and all that tradition and all of that money and
Speaker 1: all of that privilege. You think they're not going to
Speaker 1: try their damnedest to keep Rory in the fold. They've
Speaker 1: got her in the Fall, they got her in Yale.
Speaker 1: They're paying for it. They're trying to push Laurel aside.
Speaker 1: They don't take her seriously. They're little pockets of pride
Speaker 1: they show.
Speaker 5: I think you're right. I also think that Rory, they
Speaker 5: can sense that she likes their world. She's not opposed
Speaker 5: to it and rebellious about it as Morel I was.
Speaker 5: You know, probably through all her teen years. They can
Speaker 5: see that Rory's into it. She's at Yale, she's you know,
Speaker 5: so there is that element. I don't know, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of what you're saying that actually does ring true
Speaker 5: to me. I just think I think it would be
Speaker 5: their dream if they could control Laurai and suddenly she's dating,
Speaker 5: you know, some guy they love. I think that they
Speaker 5: would love that, but they just know it's so unlikely.
Speaker 1: They're putting they're putting their focus on somebody that can
Speaker 1: mold yeah, chances.
Speaker 3: I think they have to like reframe how they influenced
Speaker 3: Laurli like Richard did last episode. Let's you know, franchise
Speaker 3: Luke's Let's you know, do that? Like that is how
Speaker 3: I think their strategy is with her now versus Rory.
Speaker 3: They can formulate it, you know, they like, here are
Speaker 3: the eligible men for you to date, Now pick one?
Speaker 1: Because why why do they not have a right to
Speaker 1: manipulate their own destiny? Why why don't they have a
Speaker 1: right to have pleasant family Christmases and Thanksgivings and and
Speaker 1: you know, why do they have to concede the the
Speaker 1: ground to laurel I When she's going to invite in
Speaker 1: all manner of people who Emily and Richard considered to
Speaker 1: be you know, unscrubbed, the unwashed, right, they don't want
Speaker 1: to spend time with those people. They don't want to
Speaker 1: spend time with Luke. Do they want to really spend
Speaker 1: quality time with Luke. No, they're trying to get Luke
Speaker 1: in shape so that he's acceptable at the country club,
Speaker 1: so he's not an embarrassment to the family, and then
Speaker 1: maybe spend a Christmas or two with him because Rory's
Speaker 1: going to be there with her, you know, upwardly mobile
Speaker 1: or privileged boyfriend or fiance.
Speaker 5: Selfish.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's selfish. Why shouldn't it be selfish. They've
Speaker 1: lived their entire lives this way. That is the patriarch,
Speaker 1: and that is the patriarch, and this is how dynasties work,
Speaker 1: and they want what they want.
Speaker 5: The element that is missing and I like Richard and Emily,
Speaker 5: but the element that's missing is we're proud of you
Speaker 5: no matter what you do. We're proud of you if
Speaker 5: you do something you love. We want you to love
Speaker 5: who you love. We want you to find the person
Speaker 5: that's best for you instead of best for them. And
Speaker 5: that's kind of my thing is like Scott, you would
Speaker 5: never be like them. If your kid wants to have
Speaker 5: some career, you would support it. If he brings home
Speaker 5: some love of his life, you'll support it. So I
Speaker 5: think that's where they are a little They just don't
Speaker 5: let their kids be them and their grandkid. They're trying
Speaker 5: to manipulate and mold in control.
Speaker 1: They don't understand larel I, You're right, they don't get it,
Speaker 1: and they don't understand how Emily probably doesn't understand how
Speaker 1: Loralai came out of her body. I mean, it happens
Speaker 1: with certain children and their parents. It's like it's not
Speaker 1: it doesn't click. It can happen, and it's sad.
Speaker 5: You think you have a very fair analysis of Richard
Speaker 5: and Emily. I just think I.
Speaker 3: Have a question before you move on from that. Does
Speaker 3: anybody find it like weird that when Emily first met Luke,
Speaker 3: like at the hospital, she was so like into him
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: I thought she had a kind of radar up like
Speaker 5: doesn't but.
Speaker 3: She was, but she was like super into him.
Speaker 1: She's like suitable, he's unsuitable for the change.
Speaker 4: I think at the hospital it was like she she
Speaker 4: hadn't seen Loralai with a guy before, so maybe it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, like you know, this is this is
Speaker 4: something and he's coming to the hospital. But then she
Speaker 4: didn't think it would last this long.
Speaker 5: I think Tar is right, like she was maybe just
Speaker 5: happy that she was with some dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I don't think it was because
Speaker 4: it was Luke. I think it was just because it
Speaker 4: was a guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, But then why did that change? Like why is
Speaker 3: she not happy that she's with the dude?
Speaker 5: Well, because she doesn't want him with a guy that
Speaker 5: owns a diner, drives a truck.
Speaker 3: But then why was that she knew she knew who
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 5: She called him the iceman, right, but she didn't know
Speaker 5: who he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now he's still around now, it's like, right,
Speaker 1: it's like four years later. I mean, when did that?
Speaker 1: When did the Richard thing happen? When did the hospital
Speaker 1: thing happen? Was that the season one? Season one? So
Speaker 1: now here we are five four years later, five years later,
Speaker 1: he's still around. Now now they're together. It's like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: hit the panic button. You know, we knew, we knew,
Speaker 1: Laurel I was going to go off the rails.
Speaker 5: And there's so much to discuss with because I really
Speaker 5: want to spend time on the date and the party,
Speaker 5: So quickly, let's talk about Lane and Zach and missus
Speaker 5: Kim and the is it Lane's cousin who really change students? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was so cringe. Every scene I saw that, I
Speaker 3: literally was like, I need this to go away.
Speaker 1: Wait which one I thought? Missus? Him attacking Zach at
Speaker 1: the newsstand was classic?
Speaker 4: That was that was funny.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about then.
Speaker 1: That was at her best. I mean, just rocking.
Speaker 4: She does annoy me.
Speaker 1: She smoked Zach right there, but it wasn't how great
Speaker 1: was Todd Low like waving his arms like what you know?
Speaker 1: She's just like what.
Speaker 5: I liked about Zach is I'm home and told Lane
Speaker 5: what happened. He didn't like hold it in and act
Speaker 5: like it didn't happen. He was like, Lane, your mom
Speaker 5: is crazy.
Speaker 1: And that was the funniest scene. That was hysterical.
Speaker 5: Who annoys you? The exchange students.
Speaker 1: I'm getting flamed by your mom. She's saying, dogs, you're
Speaker 1: gonna eat my guts. That's not rock and roll. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm the guy, like you know, I'm the back door guy,
Speaker 1: jump out the window guy. I'm not that guy you
Speaker 1: know with the girl with a mom yelling at him.
Speaker 5: What is that funny? Is he would weel served to
Speaker 5: be more like that? That? Like I am who I am?
Speaker 5: I am good with it. I like who I am
Speaker 5: I'm totally confident I'm not taking this crazy lady yelling
Speaker 5: at me like.
Speaker 1: It's likech you woke up and it's like what am
Speaker 1: I doing? What I'm living with this girl and her
Speaker 1: mother's a little bit thickets. She's like screaming at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, what is happening?
Speaker 5: So no, indeed, Plane's trying to do a solid for
Speaker 5: the exchange student and give her fries and the chili
Speaker 5: fry and then.
Speaker 3: She mat after you guys, I'm sorry all those scenes
Speaker 3: were such cringe.
Speaker 1: I you know, I kind of agree. I kind of agree.
Speaker 3: I could have definitely done without those scenes.
Speaker 4: Like that whole storyline, the whole storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was what was it about that?
Speaker 5: That was?
Speaker 3: So it was incredibly racist, but beyond that, beyond that,
Speaker 3: it was just really bad.
Speaker 1: So saying it's like, boy, is this stereotypical?
Speaker 5: Oh god?
Speaker 1: This like you know what, Danielle, that's you kind of
Speaker 1: nailed it there.
Speaker 5: I've noticed this in the scene when missus Kim is
Speaker 5: just railing on a mirror at the Newsstam is so
Speaker 5: stressed in the back like an act because you see
Speaker 5: Zach come up and he's with a mirror and he
Speaker 5: wonders where is magazine that he hasn't finished reading it,
Speaker 5: and then missus Kim just comes up crazy and you're
Speaker 5: looking at a mirror in the background, and he is
Speaker 5: like when background actors act like they're not hearing something
Speaker 5: one feet from them, one from a mirror, amazing.
Speaker 1: He is like, you know what this this these last
Speaker 1: two episodes maybe realized, did not take advantage of Zach
Speaker 1: the character, and they did not take advantage of Todd
Speaker 1: Lowe's ability. Yeah, create that character, because that's a really
Speaker 1: fun character and you just have to wind him up
Speaker 1: and let him go inside that show, and he could
Speaker 1: have been a much bigger part of that show and
Speaker 1: it would have really paid off. That would have paid
Speaker 1: off as much as a Michelle or a Sean Gun
Speaker 1: or that that character had such potential to grow.
Speaker 5: Well just wait, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I will. I'm optimistic. But it's like we're in season
Speaker 1: five already and we're just getting to know Zach a
Speaker 1: little bit. Come on, I mean, there's so much more there.
Speaker 5: They really had hopes that Adam Brody was going to
Speaker 5: be long for the Gilmour world, but I digress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wasn't wasn't Todd Low with the show from
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 5: Is when the band formed. He came in when when
Speaker 5: the band formed, just shortly after Adam Brody and.
Speaker 1: That was it was still season one, no season two,
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, okay, but still, I mean he's
Speaker 1: given gold Man. It's it's funny stuff. He's funny. That's
Speaker 1: such a funny character.
Speaker 5: They interviewed him because I want to hear what his
Speaker 5: real voice is, and like when he's.
Speaker 3: Watch his voice being exactly like Zach's.
Speaker 1: He's just like, hey, guys, it's not it's not like
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, he's doing he's playing characters. He's
Speaker 1: character actor is a good one. So he's putting on
Speaker 1: a little bit of stuff. It's a it's it's a
Speaker 1: little more maybe exaggerated or pulled back version of himself,
Speaker 1: but it's working beautifully.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: I'm only being annoying to keep us on tracks. So
Speaker 5: we go to the date which we touched on a
Speaker 5: little bit at Doci's, which was speaking of cringe.
Speaker 1: Right, really cringe.
Speaker 5: It was like on like on like they did have
Speaker 5: a weird candle and some weird flockers. Did you guys
Speaker 5: hear when you want some chip pieces? Because it's like
Speaker 5: the crumbly old chip bag. It's all the like yesterday
Speaker 5: is junk. You're right when you analyze him not being
Speaker 5: able to have a response to the article, I really
Speaker 5: want to hear about that a little bit. It was
Speaker 5: that was not great.
Speaker 1: I think he even read the article.
Speaker 5: I do, but I just think it's all sort of
Speaker 5: not his world. Not his world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he said it was. He's like I
Speaker 3: thought it was great, but he wasn't able to like
Speaker 3: actually know what she needed, Like she needed somebody to
Speaker 3: like analyze the themes and the grammar.
Speaker 4: And you know, give her like yeah, give her, yeah.
Speaker 3: Construct the criticism all that stuff. And he was just like,
Speaker 3: looks good, babe, you know that.
Speaker 5: It was good, Like you tell your seven year old
Speaker 5: they're they're being mosaics really good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine.
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with any of it, except
Speaker 5: for they aren't connected in this sort of way anymore.
Speaker 5: They're not bonded, they're not vibing. I mean, look, I
Speaker 5: have to say I'm team Jets way more than Team Dean,
Speaker 5: because I do think Jess really was up to her level. Next,
Speaker 5: I want to quickly review the menu of Luke and
Speaker 5: laurelized date that I wanted to be on so badly.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be on it so bad including TJ
Speaker 5: showing up. So listen to what faith lamb and artichoke
Speaker 5: stew hennay with pesto, potatoes, tomatoes with bread crumbs, goat
Speaker 5: cheese on the tomatoes with bread crumbs, maybe roasted garlic
Speaker 5: with rosemary, ficasha Amorado cookies with the coffee and the
Speaker 5: ricotta cheesecakes. Literally are you kidding me? And I looked
Speaker 5: to make sure the plate had those things on it,
Speaker 5: and it sure as bleep did.
Speaker 3: Like WOWSA what a goat like like Luke is such
Speaker 3: a stud? Like that is legit?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is Look, Luke's apartment is not that
Speaker 5: much better than the stock room at Doses. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna lie with me, do you want? I wanted to
Speaker 5: be there because they are so comfortable with each other
Speaker 5: and up to each other's level, you know, because he
Speaker 5: doesn't he doesn't like when he's like stir and she's
Speaker 5: a I can't sir, he doesn't like baby her. He's
Speaker 5: like stir, like you can figure this out. You know,
Speaker 5: they're so on the same level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a heart as Yeah, she's the same way.
Speaker 1: They're both you know, they're both uh tough people. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know, but yeah, but listen, that scene
Speaker 1: really took off for me. As soon as TJ comes in.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's a he's a scrow. Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen a guest star come on and just own the
Speaker 1: set like that?
Speaker 3: I cannot take my eyes off.
Speaker 1: You literally cannot take your and and that's when that show.
Speaker 1: That scene turned that show into a sitcom, because that
Speaker 1: was a sitcom performance.
Speaker 5: You know, there's some critics television critics of which we
Speaker 5: are not, that did not like that character, and I
Speaker 5: was like, are you crazy, He's the best.
Speaker 1: It's because it changes the tone of the show so
Speaker 1: much because he just takes it over. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: you got a day Lauise coming into the scene. It's like,
Speaker 1: look out, man, you know, everybody's going to get white doubt.
Speaker 1: That is so much talent and history walking into that apartment,
Speaker 1: and it's, in my opinion, exactly what that show needs.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what that show needs. And that's and that's
Speaker 1: what the critics used to say too, is like, this
Speaker 1: show can't decide whether it's a drama of comedy or drama.
Speaker 1: Can't It's like, why does it happen? Why do you
Speaker 1: have to categorize it? I agree, why why can't you?
Speaker 1: Just because it all works? I mean, the drama enhances
Speaker 1: the comedy vice versa. Right, do you think it?
Speaker 5: Said Escaro on the page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I thought he just did it.
Speaker 1: I was like, esc Esca, well, is he gonna come
Speaker 1: on and talk to us? Because these these are the
Speaker 1: burning questions, these are questions, Oh.
Speaker 5: Keep trying, he does. That's why we had David because
Speaker 5: he doesn't Stephanie. But did you guys notice so Lorli
Speaker 5: and Lucar at the apartment and they're getting sort of
Speaker 5: the dinner, so go and this sweet way that Lauren
Speaker 5: slash Loralai touches your neck. The physical gestures, I think
Speaker 5: is also what draws me into their relationship.
Speaker 1: It's the little details. Yeah, it's a behavior. It's all behavior.
Speaker 1: It's not the words, it's the behavior. You find the behavior, Yes.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, that's the gold athlete. So Okay. So TJ
Speaker 5: comes in and Luke said, you gotta go, man, you
Speaker 5: gotta go.
Speaker 1: Man. See, that's what I love so much about being
Speaker 1: in those scenes because I've done several of those scenes
Speaker 1: with Lauren where she comes in like a house on
Speaker 1: fire and it's just monologue after monologue and you've got
Speaker 1: a little line here and there, and you got to
Speaker 1: you know, you can't, you can't. Your timing has to
Speaker 1: be perfect or else you're gonna throw them off because
Speaker 1: they've just got line after line after line, another chunk,
Speaker 1: another chunk, now chunk, and they've they've they're saying it
Speaker 1: all together. But you have to find just a tiny
Speaker 1: little moment where you can slip in your line or
Speaker 1: your word or you're gest your whatever. That's the hard
Speaker 1: part about it. So I was really watching that scene
Speaker 1: seeing if I was screwing him up at all. But
Speaker 1: I think I supported him the way I wanted to support.
Speaker 5: Him, both of them. And how about the fact that
Speaker 5: and we're sort of skipping, but we'll go back. There's
Speaker 5: a portion where you two are this scene, right, Luke
Speaker 5: and Lorelei are the scene and TJ and l are
Speaker 5: fighting in the bathroom and we can hear them, but
Speaker 5: it's not too much. I mean, you know what's happening,
Speaker 5: and you two are conversing. I mean, I thought the
Speaker 5: whole date from start to finish was amazing. Calling. She's
Speaker 5: calling while you're talking to TJ. And somehow that we're
Speaker 5: following it all.
Speaker 1: I meant, but how do you not I mean TJ
Speaker 1: walks into a him, how do you not just light up?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so great. He's weeping in the background.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so bizarrely funny. It's surreal. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's absurd. The whole thing's absurd. And that's what's so
Speaker 1: great about this show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I almost have myself together not to start over.
Speaker 1: That's the best the show is. That's s Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: right there at its best. When you've got and that's
Speaker 1: what Amy and Dan do. They build up these very tender,
Speaker 1: heartfelt moments, and then they'll throw a seawn gun, naked
Speaker 1: sewn gun in there for the heck of it. And
Speaker 1: then they'll throw a TJ in there.
Speaker 5: Wild.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful, wonderful stuff.
Speaker 5: Go to the party. Now, what did you all think
Speaker 5: when suddenly Emily takes Rory upstairs? To the hairdresser and
Speaker 5: then we're putting diamonds on her? What I really want
Speaker 5: to know what? Danielle and Scott were like.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, daniel I'm like, I liked the diamonds.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's it's fun. That's fun for you know,
Speaker 3: the Yale alumni. Mornie and when you put on the tiara,
Speaker 3: was like, this is not an alumni party. What is happening?
Speaker 3: The tiara just needed to.
Speaker 4: So why the tiara? It's like, I can't really imagine
Speaker 4: like a twenty which is probably what twenty now twenty
Speaker 4: year old girl wants to wear that as she's like
Speaker 4: trying to find an eligible batch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been like Grandma, sorry, are you.
Speaker 1: Diamonds?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: But that was that was a great line Emily had.
Speaker 1: He says, you know, is that a diamond necklace? He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not doing anybody any good sitting in its box.
Speaker 1: She had a point put it on?
Speaker 5: Did you guys, Richard say to Emily you did a
Speaker 5: fine job. Sure, this was all playing.
Speaker 1: Good, good good.
Speaker 4: That's like the highest compliment you can give Emily.
Speaker 5: So then how quickly Danielle and.
Speaker 1: Scott one, so why wait a minute, Hang on, why
Speaker 1: isn't it that scene as an act of love toward
Speaker 1: their granddaughter. Why are we using these words manipulative, deceptive,
Speaker 1: it's over it's over bearing. Why isn't it just like
Speaker 1: they are loving that girl. They are giving all of
Speaker 1: this pent up love that they wanted to give their
Speaker 1: own daughter and missed out on the opportunity. These are
Speaker 1: still two human beings. They're fighting for the relationship and
Speaker 1: they are now they're joined, they are unifyed in loving
Speaker 1: their granddaughter to this extent, opening up the doors for her,
Speaker 1: like this should be your future. And sure that guys
Speaker 1: were you know, of course, you know the guys were
Speaker 1: going to be kind of you know, douche and you
Speaker 1: just knew it, right right.
Speaker 5: I agree with you that you are right. It is
Speaker 5: actually really cool what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: So they didn't tell her what they're doing. Like my so,
Speaker 5: my niece's grandmother is saying to my niece, you're gonna
Speaker 5: be in the debutante ball. We're gonna have this party
Speaker 5: for you. You're gonna have this beautiful dress, we're gonna
Speaker 5: have this dinner, blah blah blah. They're telling my names.
Speaker 5: So the only thing that Richard and Emily didn't do
Speaker 5: right and say to Rory, we want you, We wanted
Speaker 5: you to come over. We're gonna have this beautiful party.
Speaker 5: We're gonna dress you up, and we're gonna introduce you
Speaker 5: to all these boys. I mean, Emily would have been
Speaker 5: smarter she invited a couple of girls. But whatever, they're
Speaker 5: just not telling her what they're doing because.
Speaker 1: She's gonna blab it to her mom and then her
Speaker 1: mom's gonna make make an excuse as to why she
Speaker 1: can't go.
Speaker 4: Do you think it would have been better if she
Speaker 4: did invite some girls and I would.
Speaker 1: Have been like less no, because they didn't want a competition.
Speaker 5: I think it would have been less captain obvious though.
Speaker 5: And you know, but how fun if you're a twenty
Speaker 5: year old and you're at a party with all these
Speaker 5: fancy parents and all these boys that are just only
Speaker 5: giving you attention.
Speaker 1: I tell you it's a good situation for a twenty
Speaker 1: year old person. Good situation, you know. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Would you rather? Okay? So would you? Danielle Tara Amy
Speaker 1: answer me this question honestly, please, not that you've never
Speaker 1: been anything but honest with me. When I'm grilling you,
Speaker 1: which is frequent, by the way, and you have no
Speaker 1: idea once we're off the air. I'm just grilling these
Speaker 1: people all the time. Danielle, Yes, would you rather have
Speaker 1: grandparents like that or not?
Speaker 3: I'd rather not? Why too much pressure?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: I want my grandma and Grandfa to love me and
Speaker 3: take me to dinner and like think everything I do
Speaker 3: is awesome.
Speaker 1: So it was a confused who's who got her whole
Speaker 1: life ahead of you. Don't want to be bathed in
Speaker 1: diamonds and presented to the to the elite of the world.
Speaker 3: I just think that the pressure is too much. I
Speaker 3: just want grandparents to love me for who I am.
Speaker 1: Tara.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think there are certain aspects Tara.
Speaker 1: No Tara Tiara.
Speaker 4: I probably did when I was five. But there are
Speaker 4: certain aspects of Emily and Richard that I like and
Speaker 4: the way they treat Rory. But for this situation, and
Speaker 4: I would not want no.
Speaker 1: I would not want to be two debutante knows Amy.
Speaker 3: Amy is the debutante.
Speaker 1: I know she is, so the pressure's on here.
Speaker 5: Totally fine with it. I'm totally fine with all of it.
Speaker 5: I like it. I think it's there's tradition, there's you know,
Speaker 5: there's there's love there. The only difference is that my
Speaker 5: grandparents told me what they were doing, and my parents
Speaker 5: like it was never like I wasn't manipulated into it.
Speaker 5: It wasn't done sneakily. And if I would have said,
Speaker 5: like no, I don't want to go out with that boy,
Speaker 5: I mean you know I had to. My grandpa would
Speaker 5: ask me favors like oh so and so grandsons in town,
Speaker 5: can you go out with them? And it was always
Speaker 5: like horrendous, But I did it because it was like
Speaker 5: my call me too, but he never they didn't trick
Speaker 5: me into it.
Speaker 1: But did you have a mother like Laurlai? And did
Speaker 1: your mother have a bad relationship with their parents? It's
Speaker 1: not you know, that's a little personal.
Speaker 5: Sorry, no, no, no, please, you can ask me anything.
Speaker 5: I've nothing to had. My mom is not like Laurai,
Speaker 5: but she did have a bit of She didn't have
Speaker 5: the best relationship with her parents versus my dad and
Speaker 5: his parents, and they were the fancy side, so like
Speaker 5: my grandparents were very fancy on my dad's side, and
Speaker 5: I was a den and all those things. My parents
Speaker 5: were super into it. They loved it. And part of
Speaker 5: the reason I did it is my dad wanted to
Speaker 5: My parents wanted me to do it. So it's like fine,
Speaker 5: It's not like horrible. It's like a fun party. You
Speaker 5: get Tiffany boxes with weird heart jewelry you're never gonna
Speaker 5: wear again, and some frames that you have to like polish,
Speaker 5: which you're like, who wants a frame that you have
Speaker 5: to polish? Well?
Speaker 4: I have a question, though, is it different if you
Speaker 4: if your parents want you to do it for your grandparents?
Speaker 4: Because Laurel I doesn't want Rory to do it for
Speaker 4: her grandparents, but you said your dad wanted you to
Speaker 4: do it, so you want to make your dad happy.
Speaker 1: To make your dad happy, And what's wrong with your
Speaker 1: grandparents happy?
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with no, No, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, in the situation of Rory, Laurel I
Speaker 4: is not happy with it, so I feel like she's
Speaker 4: stuck in the middle.
Speaker 1: Laurela is not happy with anything regarding her parents. We
Speaker 1: know what Laurela is going to react.
Speaker 5: Like, I get what Tara's saying in that she has
Speaker 5: to essentially choose. She can't make them both happy because
Speaker 5: her mom doesn't like this life her grandparents do, and
Speaker 5: Rory sort of getting pulled in both directions because I
Speaker 5: think she likes both. I likes both really interesting. That's
Speaker 5: a great point that she's conflicted because but look, so.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, so wait a minute, So so Rory's
Speaker 1: out of the house now she's in college. Was she
Speaker 1: a sophomore now at this point? Yeah, she's a sophomore.
Speaker 1: She's her own woman. She can make her own decisions.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have to consult with mommy anymore.
Speaker 5: Well Ry does, though, so she goes why why.
Speaker 1: Why would why does Rory? Why would you think Rory
Speaker 1: feels obligated to consult with her mother to go to
Speaker 1: a party their grandparents are throwing.
Speaker 5: I don't think she feels obligated, but she did it.
Speaker 1: Why can't she have a separate relationship with her grandparents
Speaker 1: and she's got to console her mother? And okay everything, she's.
Speaker 3: Twenty, okay, question for everybody.
Speaker 1: She lives on her own now and her grandparents are
Speaker 1: paying for damn college.
Speaker 3: You just took my thing. Do you think Rory would
Speaker 3: would would do all this stuff willingly and have without
Speaker 3: any fuss if her parents her grandparents aren't paying for Yale.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that changes the whole dynamic of the show.
Speaker 1: Who's paying for her college? Her mother? If her mother's
Speaker 1: paying for a college, this is a whole completely different dynamic.
Speaker 1: Completely in the show. They set it up where you
Speaker 1: need those grandparents, you need their money.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Scott, I don't.
Speaker 5: She's not doing this and happy about it because they're
Speaker 5: paying for college. She's doing it because she kind of
Speaker 5: likes it.
Speaker 1: Do you think she does kind of like it?
Speaker 4: I agree with any I think yeah, she does like it.
Speaker 5: Flora, now she knows she does go into Richard office
Speaker 5: and called Laura Lai and says, oh, I'm at a
Speaker 5: party with a bunch of boys. This is what they've done.
Speaker 5: And Laura lies for Rory said, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Who said that, isn't?
Speaker 5: Rory said, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm fine.
Speaker 5: Right, she kind of likes it, And you guys, we
Speaker 5: haven't gotten to the most important part of the episode. Rory. Now,
Speaker 5: at first, she's sort of just listening to them boringly
Speaker 5: talk about a Mercedes minute the minute logan shows up
Speaker 5: complete stud I really do want to spend ten minutes
Speaker 5: talking about Logan. She loves it. Logan shows up. He's
Speaker 5: a complete stud. He saves her from the borne.
Speaker 1: How happy were you when Logan showed up?
Speaker 5: It was like, I want to do a flaw.
Speaker 1: I did too. I actually stood up on a plot
Speaker 1: and they're like, yes, my wife's going like, what's what
Speaker 1: are you watching? I'm like gilmore girls. He goes really,
Speaker 1: she goes, sit down.
Speaker 5: He's a sun dude. They're going to have a sub party.
Speaker 5: That's how you make these parties fun. And you know
Speaker 5: what she realizes, Oh my god, he knows my grandparents. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and they love him.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's the coolest dude ever. Logan huns Burger is
Speaker 1: the coolest dude.
Speaker 5: They love Logan.
Speaker 1: He just handled everybody beautifully.
Speaker 4: It's funny watching this back. I've obviously mentioned this. I
Speaker 4: was team Jess, but like I'm not team Logan. But
Speaker 4: I really enjoy Logan, Like I could watch him all
Speaker 4: day and like his little like banter with Rory, Like
Speaker 4: it's so fun And I don't even think he needs
Speaker 4: to be like team Logan whatever, but you can like
Speaker 4: enjoy watching him and like the way he makes Rory
Speaker 4: feel like like you said, like it totally changed a
Speaker 4: dynamic like she was a new girl.
Speaker 1: He's He's offering the kind of banter that only Gilmore's
Speaker 1: can offer. Nobody else in Rory's life, outside of her
Speaker 1: mother and her grandparents, can offer that level of banter.
Speaker 1: And Logan steps in Bohm. They're hitting the ground running.
Speaker 5: At the scene at the end, Look what he did.
Speaker 5: She he didn't. First of all, he didn't even know
Speaker 5: she had a boyfriend, so he wasn't cause in trouble
Speaker 5: right out, and the incident happens with Dean. Logan's not
Speaker 5: in ass about it. He comes over and just the way,
Speaker 5: that's why Matt Zewgree is so amazing. It's his face,
Speaker 5: it's his mannerism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that had to hit him a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, in the heart. When she said I have
Speaker 1: a boyfriend. He didn't flinch.
Speaker 5: No, when he says it'll be okay or he says
Speaker 5: he'll I can't tell if he said it'll be okay
Speaker 5: or he'll be okay. And he puts his arm around
Speaker 5: her and takes her in. He's took a rescue. And
Speaker 5: the boys aren't snarking. The boys look at her with sympathy, empathy.
Speaker 5: They all were like they weren't being souls. They were
Speaker 5: being so cool to this girl. I was into it.
Speaker 1: I just think it's great. I mean, Logan just has
Speaker 1: all these drunken wild animal friends and they're all rich,
Speaker 1: just loosen their minds all over the place, and it's funny.
Speaker 1: And then they go out to meet Dean. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a pack of animals to confront this blue truck.
Speaker 5: Oh it was so intimidated. But what a powerful scene.
Speaker 5: The fine scene of this, the final scene of this
Speaker 5: episode really sets us on our trajectory for the next
Speaker 5: couple seasons. Because Laura Laia is home. Now, we had
Speaker 5: a new angle. We were shooting her a couch at
Speaker 5: a new angle, and here's the ruckus outside, and she realizes,
Speaker 5: my kids into this. My kid likes these guys. She
Speaker 5: likes that Limo, she likes that tr she likes that life.
Speaker 5: She likes this.
Speaker 4: She's not happy about it.
Speaker 1: Why, it's like, let let her live her life. She's
Speaker 1: not at home anymore. She's not at home.
Speaker 4: She's that's really hard for Lorelei to well, of.
Speaker 1: Course it is, but she's got to grow up and
Speaker 1: just let her daughter make her own choices. She's twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's time. I mean, it's like, look,
Speaker 1: she's going to get her heart. She's going to get
Speaker 1: her heart ripped out of her chest by you know,
Speaker 1: Jess Sore or Dean or you know, maybe she can
Speaker 1: have a little fun the next time before it gets
Speaker 1: ripped down a limo, some fun parties.
Speaker 4: Do you think you think it'd be different if she
Speaker 4: was partying with like random friends at school. But because
Speaker 4: she's partying with the people who Emily is friends with
Speaker 4: their parents, she's more upset. Because that's why I think
Speaker 4: that she was upset like.
Speaker 5: Or Li's upset, because she's Rory is in the Gilmour
Speaker 5: world now and she's.
Speaker 1: She's exceeded everybody's expectations. She's at Yale a year, she's
Speaker 1: in her sophomore year, and she's in the most exclusive
Speaker 1: private club in the United States. She's in Skull and
Speaker 1: Freaking Bones Man. But they're letting her into the inner Inner, Inner,
Speaker 1: Inner sanctum. All of these lunatics in the Bullhouse. These
Speaker 1: are going to be future Secretary of Defense. These are
Speaker 1: going to be heads of the most powerful Wall Street
Speaker 1: law firms. These are going to be the captains of
Speaker 1: industry or even presidents of the United States, and she's
Speaker 1: in that group. She's succeeded. She's succeeded Emily's and Richard's
Speaker 1: expectations just by being there.
Speaker 4: But Amy has a point that even though she has,
Speaker 4: that scene really set up Rory's future, and you'll see that,
Speaker 4: but it's just it's you forget that it's such a
Speaker 4: pivotal scene, like until you watch it back.
Speaker 1: You know what. I think. Here's what I think. You
Speaker 1: know what I think, And nobody wants to say this,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get smacked around. I don't care. I
Speaker 1: think loyalie jealous. I think Loural is jealous of her
Speaker 1: own kid. I do. I think that she sees what
Speaker 1: she could have had and she's seeing it through her daughter,
Speaker 1: and her daughter is serving it up on a silver platter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that, and I.
Speaker 1: Think that there's a little bit of jealousy here. So
Speaker 1: there you go. I'm just gonna leave that for you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something to what you're saying. And I think
Speaker 5: I think she she doesn't know how to feel about
Speaker 5: the fact that her daughter is really accepting the life
Speaker 5: she rejected, and it's she's not aligned with Rory. They
Speaker 5: don't see it the same way.
Speaker 1: I don't have to be.
Speaker 3: I think she's said, I think she had her like
Speaker 3: her partner in crime her whole life, you know, that
Speaker 3: thought like her loved, loved doing takeout, love watching the
Speaker 3: movies with her, loved doing all that stuff that she did,
Speaker 3: and was just like her, you know, And she didn't.
Speaker 3: She didn't have that with her mom. She was so
Speaker 3: different than her mom, right, And so she's like, I'm
Speaker 3: finally doing it right with my daughter. And now she's
Speaker 3: realizing her daughter is a lot like her mom, not
Speaker 3: not like personality wise, but with what she.
Speaker 1: Enjoys or that she's not you know, that she's not
Speaker 1: going to be with Rory the way she was. It's
Speaker 1: different now, it's changing, it's evolving. It's like she's with
Speaker 1: Luke now and her daughter's out of the house and
Speaker 1: making her own choices. And that's yeah, it's gotta be hard, sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh I.
Speaker 5: Just had a total aha, because she has just as
Speaker 5: much of a hard time as Emily, in the sense
Speaker 5: that Emily wants Laura I and Rory to be what
Speaker 5: Emily wants them to be, and on some level, Laura
Speaker 5: I wants Rory to be what she wants her to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think Emily cares much about what Laurel I
Speaker 1: wants to be because she's given up hope. I think
Speaker 1: she's really focused on her Granda back.
Speaker 5: In the day.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yes, absolutely, yeah no, we as we stated, yes,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: Think Laurla is doing everything she can by telling Rory,
Speaker 3: you know what they're trying to do, right, this is
Speaker 3: what they're trying to do, But she's not saying but
Speaker 3: come home now, you know, Like she's kind of like
Speaker 3: giving her the warning but also being like, but you're there,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Does that?
Speaker 3: Do you get what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: She's trying to give her hints but trying to also
Speaker 4: give her hints to make her own decision. But it's
Speaker 4: Laurelized decision.
Speaker 1: Does that make anymore?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Any more? This is this is uh, this.
Speaker 4: Is leaning her towards laurelized decision.
Speaker 1: Worries. Just all right, what's our favorite lines?
Speaker 4: That's the line of the episode.
Speaker 1: Uh, Tara, what's your favorite line?
Speaker 4: I have to agree?
Speaker 1: Just escarow okay, so okay, so really okay, So my
Speaker 1: favorite line was Emily screaming at the waiter when he said,
Speaker 1: will you take a look at her? And then she
Speaker 1: goes look at her? So that's Emily and said I
Speaker 1: fell off my couch. I rewound that five times and
Speaker 1: laughed even harder every single time. Love it all right, Tara,
Speaker 1: how many whatevers are you giving it? Announce your measuring
Speaker 1: stick before your designation point designation.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the item is going to be Tiaras, I'll
Speaker 4: give it a eight point nine.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's kind of a drubbing, though, that's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a drubbing.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: You're cackling uncontrollably throughout this episode as I was.
Speaker 4: I mean, I enjoyed that. I think the I think
Speaker 4: the Lane stuff definitely took down some points for sure,
Speaker 4: the miss Kim Laye that.
Speaker 1: Holds ye Danielle. I will say, what measuring stick?
Speaker 3: I will say, oh, stolen champagne bottles. There you go
Speaker 3: eight point seventy five?
Speaker 1: Wow? Lower yeah, lower than.
Speaker 3: Than yeah, Tara, I agree, the exchange student and even
Speaker 3: some there's just a lot of cringe in this episode,
Speaker 3: but also like the Luke and Laureliz stuff was so
Speaker 3: good and TJ's that was so good. The Rory Dean
Speaker 3: logan I like, I liked all that was too much
Speaker 3: cringe in there for me.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Amy, what's your measuring stick? And what is your point?
Speaker 1: De good? Please? What is your pointsgitation? Please?
Speaker 5: What stick? A k a skewers? Nine point nine?
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow, I'm right there with your sister. Uh huh
Speaker 1: uh huh okay, So I'm gonna use uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use logan smirks. I like the logan smirk, right, that
Speaker 1: confidence smirk and Amy, I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do you one better. It's a perfect ten for me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And I gotta tell you, I was laughing
Speaker 1: so much, so often, so hard that the cringey stuff
Speaker 1: didn't bother me.
Speaker 5: Same same say.
Speaker 1: I recognized that it was cringey. Yeah, not, this isn't
Speaker 1: going to make me chuckle. But at least they were involving,
Speaker 1: you know, the second tier characters in a dramatic way
Speaker 1: and at least going for the comedy. And I think
Speaker 1: if you're in a different mood, or it's a different
Speaker 1: time of day or whatever, you would crack up at
Speaker 1: that stuff too. But I thought, just very very strong
Speaker 1: performances from everybody. This was for me, the funniest episode
Speaker 1: I've seen in the fight.
Speaker 5: One of my favorites. Yeah, that is a fair rating.
Speaker 1: All right, kudz, that's gonna wrap this one up. I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is top three episode for me. This
Speaker 1: might be my favorite episode so far. Just the laughs alone,
Speaker 1: I'll forgive it, the opening, I'll forget it, the cringey
Speaker 1: I I don't care. It's a laugh riot, funniest, funniest.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: It had more laughs per square inch than than any
Speaker 1: episode I've seen, so uh. Quite quite a quite an episode. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, all the best, thanks for downloaded. What's what's
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