1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak here for this Wednesday, the twenty 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: second of March in London. Coming up today, No Good Choices. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Your Own Powell to unveil the Fed's next move on 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: rates after weeks of market turmoil. Two mid size to fail. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: The rescue of First Republic may need US government support. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Solid foundations, The Chancellor says, UK banks are immensely stronger 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: than in two thousand and eight. Boris Johnson's reckoning age 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: is just a number, and the EU Clear's house. Those 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: of the stories we're looking at in today's papers. I'm 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: James Walcock. Plus credit suis, pay pain authorities, freeze deferred 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: bonuses for bankers. That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: The business news you need to start your day in 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: just one fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Business App and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning. 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Caroline Hecker. Here all the 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: stories that we're following today. The eyes of the financial 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: world are on Washington today. With the FED charge, your 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: own Powell will seek to balance the twin threats of 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: inflation and banking instability. Markets are currently pricing in a 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: quarter point interest rate hike. However, uncertainty over the path 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,639 Speaker 1: forward is at its highest level since the pandemic. Former 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: World Bank Chief economist Carmen Reinhart says she expects the 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: FED to opt for right rise. I think it is 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: too soon to expect that the Fed will throw in 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: the towel, so to speak, on their inflation fighting. I 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: think also not a complete pause may not only be 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: counterproductive from the vantage point of the medium term inflation objectives, 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: but also could say the signal that they know something 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: worse that the markets are yet to learn. Well, if 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: we'll find out if Carmen Reinhart is right when the 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: decision and forecasts are released at six pm UK time. 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Trump Power will hold a press conference thirty minutes later, 33 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: which we'll bring you live here on Blinberg Radio. Former 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Bank of England policymaker Danny blanche Flower says that it 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: would be reckless for the Federal Reserve and the Bank 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: of England to raise interest rates at their meetings this week. 37 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: He told us that on Blueberg Daybreak Europe that the 38 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: FED is to blame for the recent volatility in the 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: banking sector. The best I suspect we can hope for 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: is that they potentially will pause, but the reality is 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: that they should be cutting. That any move upwards would 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: be an enormous error, and what you'll end up seeing 43 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: is screeching U turns. And I just have to look 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: at what markets are pricing in. Markets today in the 45 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: United States are pricing in by the end of the 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: year three rate cuts. So the pricing in three rate 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: cuts suggest that the rate rises today would be foolishness 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: at best and disastrous at worst. So that was the 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: former Bank of England policymaker Danny blanche Flower. Will have 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: more of that interview a little later on. Banks are 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: pulling out of risky debt deals in the wake of 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: financial failures around the world. Bloomberg's market supporter Valerie title 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: as the details Ineos eight hundred and eighty million dollars, 54 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Agility Health one billion, Russell Investments one point one billion, 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: all loans that have been pulled from the market in 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: the past week. Underwriters are yanking sales and pausing future 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: ones as the turmoil from Silicon Valley Bank and Credit 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: Suite ripple through the market. The rising volatility and borrowing 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: costs are hitting a junk debt market, which already had 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: the lowest issuance in years. In London, Valerie Title, Bloomberg, Daybreak, Europe, 61 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Well Will Street leaders and US officials are looking at 62 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: the possibility of government support in a deal to rescue 63 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: First Republic Bank. Bloomberg understands that this could include lifting 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: assets out of First Republic that have eroded its balance sheet. 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: The news comes as the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen said 66 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: that the government is prepared to repeat the drastic actions 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: that it took recently to protect bank depositors. Our intervention 68 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: was necessary to protect the broader US banking system, and 69 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: similar actions could be warranted if smaller institutions suffered deposit 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: runs that pose the risk of contagion. Janet Yellen. They're 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: speaking at the American Bankers Association's summit in Washington. After 72 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank failed, regulators took the 73 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: unusual step of covering uninsured deposits here in the UK 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: chanswer of the Excheco, Jeremy Hunt was also asked if 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: he was concerned about growing financial risks and the government 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: does recognize that there is some volatility in the market, 77 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: but we believe the UK financial system is fundamentally strong 78 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: and UK banks are well capitalized. They now have core 79 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: capital ratios that there three times higher than before the 80 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight global financial crisis. But we continue 81 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: to monitor the situation carefully. Jeremy Hunt, speaking to He's 82 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: in Parliament. When asked if he had issues with Swiss 83 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: authorities changing their rules to allow Credit Sweezes takeover by 84 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: UBS group, Hunt said he wholly supported the decision and 85 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: finally deferred bonuses for Credit Swee bankers have been frozen 86 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: by the Swiss government. The news pas more pain on 87 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: awards that were already decimated when the lender's share price 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: plunged after the UBS takeover. Authorities have the power to 89 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: implement the measure when systematically important banks receive state aid. 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg understands that the bank can pay cash bonuses still 91 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: for last year as planned. Those are a few of 92 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: our top stories this morning, Caroline, I always learned something 93 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: when I read our Bloomberg opinion. Economist Andrea Felsted's pieces 94 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: this morning. It's her coining of the phrase big bling 95 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: to describe the luxury industry look. She's writing about how 96 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the downturn around banking could affect big luxury, big luxury companies. 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: In her words, when a butterfly flaps us wings on 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: a Gucci bag in San Francisco, shoppers in Shanghai feel 99 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the breeze effects. Yeah. Absolutely. Look I think that openly line, 100 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, gets best quote of the day. Frankly, Yeah, 101 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: they're super wealthy. They don't have the kind of ordinary 102 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: concerns about inflation that perhaps others do in cost of 103 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: living and so on. But actually banking crises, it can, 104 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: or at least some way that it will put those 105 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: very very wealthy, high end consumers off frankly, buying anything 106 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: really expensive and flash. And that's what we saw in 107 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and it's also what we saw 108 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: in China when they had their crackdown and conspicuous consumption 109 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen as well. And there's also pointing the 110 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: fact that things like job blasses and finance and tech 111 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: are actually also going to effect the brands that are 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: more skewed towards middle class shoppers. The likes of Hugo 113 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Bass is the sort of one that she points to 114 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: as being potentially vulnerable as well, and she says that 115 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: one indicator we should be looking at as the price 116 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: of rolex watchers on the secondary market, they have stabilized 117 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: along with Bitcoin, which is an idea of how the 118 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: richest are feeling about the squeeze. Sort of upper middle 119 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. Yeah, lovely piece by Andrew 120 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: Fel said. So let's also talk though about really what 121 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: is going to be most important today the Fed court, 122 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: between this sudden banking crisis and inflation, how will they respond. 123 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Let's bring in Blue Beggs, Executive editor for Asia Markets, 124 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Paul Dobson. Paul, super to have you on the program 125 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: this morning. The expectation for this Fed rate decision has 126 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: been wild, frankly for a couple of weeks. What do 127 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: we think is going to happen? What will the FMC 128 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: deliver today? Do we think? Yeah, good morning, Caroline. So 129 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: the base case, after all of the turmoil that we've 130 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: had over the last two weeks or six weeks, is 131 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: for the Fed to proceed with the twenty five basis 132 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: point hike, you know, but I think that there's a 133 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: lot more toward and a lot more to consider than that. 134 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: So the market pricing is for an eighty percent probability 135 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: that they will hike by twenty five basis points. The 136 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: range of estimates is broad, though, from a cut of 137 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: twenty five basis points to a hike of fifty basis points, 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: And that tells you the spectrum of views among analysts, 139 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: some of whom are very worried about the banking crisis 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: that we've had, some others who are very worried about 141 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: the inflation that we're seeing. And you know, the FED 142 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: has to balance those two risks. And I think what 143 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: will be more key than what they actually do in 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: terms of the rate decision will be what that dot 145 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: plot looks like, what the forward forecast for the peak 146 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: of the Feds are hiking cycle, and when it comes, 147 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: how much further do they think that they've got to go? 148 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: Be really interesting. And then, of course, you know Powell 149 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: has got a difficult balancing act to pull off in 150 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: the press conference as well, to reassure people about the 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: banking risks and that the FED can also get inflation 152 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: under control and that we're not just in the middle 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: of a nosedive towards a very hard landing. Yeah, I mean, 154 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: it'd be interesting, as you say, to watch what happens 155 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: in terms of for a guidance given what the ECB 156 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: said about at last as well. But I want you 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: to ask you about the credit markets and all of this. 158 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, does the US regional bank crisis cause a 159 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: credit contraction and art or when will we know what 160 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: the broader effect of that is. You probably probably won't 161 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: know until it's too late. I was arguing with my 162 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: colleagues all morning about which is more important for macro 163 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: markets right now. Is it the FED decision on what 164 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: they say and do today, Is it whether the US 165 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: can get to grips with the trouble that's are racking 166 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the banks at the moment. My view is the latter. 167 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: I think you know that everybody has now tried to 168 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: really draw a line with First Republic. The big banks 169 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: have all put deposits in there to try to boost confidence. 170 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: That hasn't necessarily worked. We're still seeing, you know, kind 171 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: of people are considering the need for more aid or 172 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: more action to kind of give it that prop And 173 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: the concern is that, you know, even if that one solved, 174 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: then the market focus just moves on to the next one. 175 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: So I think being able to short circuit that get 176 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: the credit risks on to control before there's too much 177 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: of a contraction before bank borrowing costs is so high 178 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: that it starts to really spill into the real economy. 179 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Is probably the number one thing to be worried about 180 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: right now, and in fact, in the in the recent 181 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Bank of America survey of market participants, that credit risk 182 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: and the risk of a contagion from bank to bank 183 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: is really what investors number one our concern is right now. Okay, 184 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: So in terms of the dot plot and projections, the 185 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: last of which came in December, the data out forward guidance, 186 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: will we know anymore today? I mean, that is the 187 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: expectation that we get that, that's the that's the expectation. 188 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: Here's a hilarious statistic for you, Caroline, which is that 189 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: the two year yield on US treasuries is actually pretty 190 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: much exactly where it was at the time of the 191 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: last FED meeting. In the interim, of course, we've gone 192 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: shooting higher and then we blazed lower, and now we're 193 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: back where we where we started again. You know, as 194 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: we were getting towards this, we had some pretty frothy 195 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: looking inflation data, and the concern was that they'd need 196 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: to get more aggressive, would need to push the peak 197 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: rate much higher still. Probably the dop plot has got 198 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: to indicate some concern about that. But at the same time, 199 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, I would expect that there might be a 200 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: big range of views, and maybe that gives Powell enough 201 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: space to hide and say, look, the future, our path 202 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: is pretty uncertain. The other option for him is just 203 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: to take a skip on it altogether, which is what 204 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: they did two years ago during our COVID. You know, 205 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: it's too much uncertainty for us to see, so we're 206 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: not going to give you any any path here, but 207 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: that of course risks causing its own panic and concerns 208 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: as well. Paul, we will let you go back to 209 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: arguing with your colleagues. Thank you very much for your 210 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: time on the program this morning. That's Bloomberg's executive editor 211 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: for Asia Markets, Paul Dobson. The former bank having the 212 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: policymaker Danny blanche Flier says it would be madness for 213 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: central banks to raise rates now after the volatility we've 214 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: seen in the banking sector. Lass Flowers, now a professor 215 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: of economics at Dartmouth. He told us that raising rates 216 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: further would be reckless. The volatility and the activities around 217 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: the globe have essent resulted in about probably two hundred 218 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: basis points equivalent of tightening. So this volatilely has done 219 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: the fed's work for it. And I actually think if 220 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: you have to think of one place, one organization that's 221 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: responsible for this volatility, that essentially is the cause of 222 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: this volatility, it's the FIT Wrongly raised rates, didn't really 223 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: think of the implications, thought everything would be just fine, 224 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: and tried to tell everybody, including themselves, that there was 225 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: going to be a soft landing based upon absolutely no 226 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: evidence whatsoever, and now we see the consequences. Was the 227 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: goal of fighting inflation not necessary that they would try 228 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: raising rates to bring down inflation. There was a lot 229 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: of evidence that actually the inflation was essentially transitory in 230 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: one sense that there was a supply shock from COVID 231 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: and then a second supply shock from the Ukraine War. 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: So the idea that you want to be like Vulca 233 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: of exploding wages and because of rising demand was really 234 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: for the birds. And the group think amongst these central 235 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: bankers was pretty interesting. Essentially really no descents on the FED, 236 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: only in the last meeting or two some descents on 237 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: the MPC. So this was really about we think we're 238 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: going to fight inflation. Inflation sort of inevitably was going 239 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: to fall away as all the prices fell and things 240 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: came back to normal. But the whole, in a sense, 241 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: this was I called it guessonomics. This was essentially a 242 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: wing and a prayer without really thinking about what the 243 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: potential consequences on the real economy were. Let's think about 244 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: what the driver was of the Silicon Valley Bank. It 245 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: was the tech companies that have been used to relatively 246 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: low interest rates were suddenly faced with higher interest it 247 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: as was the Silicon Valley Bank that had bought long bonds. 248 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: So the idea not only that you raised rates, but 249 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: you write raised rates in a dizzying way and convince 250 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: yourself that it was all absolutely wonderful and the banking 251 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: system was absolutely fine, given that we had history of that. 252 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight, 253 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Professor Blanchflower I was speaking to Lord Adair Turner, who 254 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: was head of the FCA, the UK regulator at the time. 255 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: It's just a few days after the demon collapse, and 256 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: I asked him this question, are we returning to two 257 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: thousand and eight or is this an extension of the 258 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight global financial crisis in some ways revisited. 259 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: You're saying that it is he disagreed with that entirely, 260 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: bless a dear, or maybe maybe I mean I mean, 261 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: I can remember Northern Rock, and Northern Rock failed in 262 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: a particular week. The website crashed as people pulling money out, 263 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: and essentially the government had to decide what to do 264 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: on the Monday morning whether they would guarantee all deposits, 265 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: and they had to. And that was exactly a precursor 266 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: to what happened with Silicon Valley. Janet Yellen sat over 267 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: the weekend and thought to himself, what I do? Can 268 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: I allow this run on the banks to occur? So 269 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: the answer was, well, they did exactly the same as 270 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: they did at Northern Rock. So there's an analogy already. 271 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: And remember then on October the eighth, two thousand and eight, 272 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the world's central banks acted together as they did this week. 273 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: So the Canadian Central Bank, the Japanese Central Bank, the 274 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: Swiss Central Back, the ECB, and the Bank of England 275 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: acted together to try and calm down global markets. So 276 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: a dare can say there's no analogy, but we can 277 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: think of analogies all over the place. Then you see 278 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: more concerning air is more shoes to drop, if you will, 279 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: but more bank contagion, more problems in other parts of 280 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: the US, European UK economies. Then well that's the worry. 281 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: I think of the right strategy. The right strategy is 282 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: to say I have concerns about the potential contagion and 283 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: I have to do everything I can to prevent that contagion. 284 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: The right tactic is to prepare for the worst and 285 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: hope for the best the strata. Now what we're seeing 286 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: regulators doing though, is that not what they're doing in 287 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: this moment? Well, to some degree we are, and obviously 288 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: the response of yelling is an appropriate one. We need 289 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: to make sure that the system is backstop. But what 290 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: have we what have we actually not learned? We learned 291 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: with Credits Sweet and the rescue there that first bondholders 292 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: we're going to got wiped out, so that's raised the 293 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: risk premier around the world. But also that UBS demanded 294 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: nine billion dollar fund, that Swiss Bank fund to basically 295 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: deal with the with the surprises that we're in the 296 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Credit Sweet books. And I think we have to look 297 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: back in the UK and say, well, what happened after 298 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: trust anomics? Trust and Boating introduced a budget on the Friday, 299 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: and on Monday the UK pension industry collapsed. Them on 300 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: Tuesday the mortgage markets closed. So not only is the 301 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: worry that that there is contagion, the difficulty is that 302 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: this contagion and the consequences of it spread very fast. 303 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: And in a sense, the great football analogy is appropriate. 304 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: You get your retaliation in first. Here you prepare for 305 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: this and try and prevent it. Prevent it. The idea 306 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: that central banks would raise rates this week is well, 307 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: I think it would generate a disaster. I would say 308 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: that's the danger. Do you think that that is what 309 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: the FED and the Bank of England and a host 310 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: of other central banks who make decisions this week are 311 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: actually going to do. Though, do you think that they 312 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: are going to continue raising rates as we've discussed to 313 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: try to control inflation, Well, there is obviously considerable probability 314 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: that they will do that, and markets are still pricing 315 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: that in. But there are considerable voices now being raised. 316 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean Richard Murphy and I wrote a response to 317 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: the Treasury Select Committee arguing that basically that they should 318 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: be cutting by probably one fifty at this meeting to 319 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: try and get retaliation in early. So the issue is 320 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: if they're going to raise. The best I suspect we 321 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: can hope for is that they potentially will will pause, 322 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: and I think pausing is probably the best you can 323 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: hope for. But the reality is that they should be 324 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: cutting that any any move upwards would be an enormous error, 325 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: and what you'll end up seeing is screeching U turns. 326 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: And I just have to look at what markets are 327 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: pricing in. Markets today in the United States are pricing 328 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: in by the end of the year three rate cuts. 329 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: So if the pricing in three rate cuts suggest that 330 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: the rate rises today would be foolishness at best and 331 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: disastrous at worst. That's Danny Blantire, professor of economics at 332 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: Dartmouth and a former member of the Bank of England's 333 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: Monetary Policy Committee. Up next, Bois Johnson's reckoning Age is 334 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: just a number and the EU Clear's House Now the 335 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: paper Review on blue Bird day Break Europe. The news 336 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: you need to know from today's papers. Well, Baris Johnson's 337 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: testimony to a party gas is on the front of 338 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: most papers this morning here in the UK, except for 339 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: the Telegraph, which caused Kirstarmer a hippocrite, and the Financial Times, 340 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: which is writing about pensiance. James Willcocker's with us for 341 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: the details of what's in the papers today. James, let's 342 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: start then with Boris Johnson. Yes, Steven, I don't want 343 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: to sort of relstigate the ins and outs of party Gate, 344 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: mostly because Kitty Johnson does that on the UKA Politics 345 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: podcast yesterday with Carol and Hepke. But today Boris Johnson 346 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: has submitted a fifty page submission to the Commons Privileges 347 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: Committee arguing why he didn't break the ruled last year. 348 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Now it's given all the papers to covering this. There 349 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: are many different angles to explore, but I want to 350 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: get to the Times because they really break this down 351 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: into Boris Johnson said on the first of December that 352 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: all the guidance were followed at all times. Now, Martin Reynolds, 353 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: who was the Private Principal principal Private Secrety story at 354 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: the time, sent over what's up. You shouldn't say that, Boris, 355 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: because we should say no rules were broken. Now it's 356 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: an important distinction, but they were kind of trying to 357 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: caveats quite how it happened, So even in their testimony 358 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: there is this kind of distinction here. And what this 359 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: hearing comes down to today, after about a year of 360 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: waiting for sort of various Sue Gray reports and inquiries, 361 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: is did Boris Johnson light of Parliament? And if that 362 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: is found to have happened, there are serious consequences for him. 363 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: He might lose his seats, he might lose the Tory whip. 364 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: But what is more important for the Government of the 365 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: day now is this is almost serving to be a 366 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: bit of a lightning rod for criticism of Richie Sunac. 367 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: You're seeing sort of a wave of sort of anti 368 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Suonac sentiment this week from the EARG having a go 369 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: his Brexit deal, Todup saying that they also won't back it, 370 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: and now Johnson has set to sort of steal the 371 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: thunder and make the attention all on him again. And 372 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: as a reminder, Richie Sunac was fine for Party eight two, 373 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: so this isn't a topic that he particularly wants to 374 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: be revisiting. No, absolutely, do listen to Kitty Donaldson because 375 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: we had a long conversation on the UK Politics podcast, 376 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: as you mentioned James yesterday about it she's just absolutely fascinating, 377 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: and she was saying that there perhaps is an element 378 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: of chardon freuder amongst the allies. She says that basically 379 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is going to try to keep his 380 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: head down, perhaps you know, re emerge at the weekend 381 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: once all of this Boris Johnson drama is out of 382 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: the way. And yet, you know, she says, it's sort 383 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: of revisiting an immensely painful period in Britain's past, you know, 384 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: going back to kind of party getting what officials. Although 385 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: she was quite sympathetic about what the officials were doing 386 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, they didn't realize how it 387 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: was going to look, was her view. Anyway, that aside, 388 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: let's move on and talk about pensions, the story in 389 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: the ft We will watch Boris Johnson a bit later, 390 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: But what about the pension. I mean the thing right, 391 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: it's all encompassing that Boris Johnson story, But what it's 392 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: fascinating is pensions as well. The Telegraph when they called 393 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: Starer hypocrit was all about his pension's cap So it 394 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: is really starting to dominate the headlines where the ft 395 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: R state ministers have delayed plans to raise the state 396 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: pension age to sixty eight and mid falling life expectancy 397 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: in the UK now that review comes up at May seventh, 398 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: then maybe they're looking to France where we've been covering 399 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: from their age going up from sixty two to sixty 400 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: four and seeing this caused massive discontent. As well as 401 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: that this raises the question of where the government finds 402 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: its money. If it's not going to up the pension aide, 403 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: how is it going to guess it. John steppec at 404 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: sort of fiscal whiz guru, points out here that maybe 405 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: it's fiscal drag that gets you, because by freezing income 406 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: tax and national insurance thresholds, the government's set to raise 407 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: nearly thirty billion pounds a year in taxes by twenty 408 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty seven. So maybe what the calculation here is, well, 409 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: we're actually taxing you in other ways where it's not 410 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: caused this political bomb by raising the state pension aide. 411 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: But that's certainly what the ft think is going on 412 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Certainly we're all being dragged by the 413 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: taxman in some way or another. James, let's go to 414 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: the Telegraph next, writing about brexits the impact of Brexit 415 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: on the City of London in some colorful language. Yes, 416 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: I look at our reporting of how Brexit has shifted 417 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the Crowns of London's finance over to 418 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: the EU, and then compared to some of the Telegraph's wording, 419 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: they call it a plot by Brussels to shift the 420 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: City of London's lucrative clearing market of the concert. It's 421 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: anti competitive and it will increase costs, European investors have warned. 422 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: So the reason why this is interesting and not just 423 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: a plot is that it is European fund and asset 424 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: managers who have written to Europe's authorities saying, actually putting 425 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: in place barrows to trade it won't help the bottom 426 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: line and won't be good for business, so it won't 427 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: do so. But what rather than just worrying about it 428 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: and calling it a plot, what is fascinating here is 429 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: the block is looking to try and reassure risk. 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