Speaker 1: Hey, the folks today, we are talking about the all
Speaker 1: time greats. You know, those people in the world will
Speaker 1: reached such a level of fame, such a level of accomplishment,
Speaker 1: such a level of greatness that they just go by
Speaker 1: one name. Yeah, so we're talking about the mononym of
Speaker 1: folks out there in robes. We're gonna start this episode
Speaker 1: a little different. Everybody knows these names. You give me
Speaker 1: your reaction when I say Madonna.
Speaker 2: Oh, material girl, Shack, amazing basketball player, share, I mean,
Speaker 2: could you get a better singer?
Speaker 1: Zendaya?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gorgeous in a phenomenal actress. Beyonce Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean enough, I mean, hello, she is Beyonce. Kobe Yeah,
Speaker 2: shooting some hoops, sting. Yeah, he knows how to sing
Speaker 2: as well. Bono Yeah, another great musician. Nelly, love him too.
Speaker 2: I gets getting hot in here. Adele, Yes, she can
Speaker 2: sing a few notes. Rihanna, Yeah, I love her. Mega
Speaker 2: Eminem one of the greatest. Prince Yeah, hello, Oprah Wow, yes,
Speaker 2: of course, Yeah, Lizzo, They're They're all incredible and we
Speaker 2: know who they are immediately. Yeah, what do you want
Speaker 2: me to say with that?
Speaker 1: Folks? Welcome to this edition.
Speaker 3: Amy, do you Jay Oh Baco battle can sing and
Speaker 3: you're like, what do you want me to say?
Speaker 2: You know what I'll tell I'll tell you a morosa
Speaker 2: the word that came in my mind. And I know
Speaker 2: it's going to piss you off because it would piss
Speaker 2: me off. But villain, that is the word that came
Speaker 2: to my mind. You have been vilified no matter what
Speaker 2: you do, no matter what show you're in, no matter
Speaker 2: what book you write, there's always a way to vilify you.
Speaker 2: So yes, that word came to my head and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to say it out loud, but I'll say it.
Speaker 2: I'll say that is the word that came to my mind.
Speaker 2: It's unfair, it's unfounded, but that that is how you
Speaker 2: have been portrayed is.
Speaker 1: An unfair unfounded Do you welcome that label sometimes?
Speaker 3: You know, I understand where it comes from. But you
Speaker 3: guys have been vilified to you know, sometimes this is
Speaker 3: fairly and unfairly. But I have leaned into the villain
Speaker 3: persona at different times in my career. But twenty years later,
Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised, right because you know, after twenty
Speaker 3: years you kind of get to realize that reality TV
Speaker 3: is what it is. But I lean into it. I
Speaker 3: don't mind and speaking my name right on the check.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, speaking of reality TV, Yes, let's backup and
Speaker 4: introduce yes, mss Omerosa Manigault Newman, who, of course is
Speaker 4: reality show reality competition show royalty in this Country, also
Speaker 4: author of the book Unhinged Poses to Get That Right,
Speaker 4: an insider's account of the Trump White House.
Speaker 1: Yes and insider. Yes, she is a best selling authorber Welcome, Welcome, wealthy.
Speaker 1: It is so good to see you.
Speaker 3: When when is y'alls book coming out?
Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about.
Speaker 3: It, new's here today. When when is the book coming out?
Speaker 1: Okay? I am not okay, we Morosa is so funny
Speaker 1: you said this and Robes doesn't even know this yet.
Speaker 1: But as we're recording this sixteen minutes ago, I got
Speaker 1: a email from a book agent. I kid you not.
Speaker 2: That is so weird that that just happens, same wavelength.
Speaker 1: But we don't know when the book might be coming out.
Speaker 1: But welcome, welcome. Why look, you've done a lot of
Speaker 1: reality shows. Why this one now? On this new one?
Speaker 3: On?
Speaker 1: Who help me with the title here? I got to
Speaker 1: get out? Got to get Out is the title of it.
Speaker 1: But why did this one appeal to you?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you all for having me on. Sorry, Amy,
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to get you know, on you so early.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not all right. You're living up to
Speaker 2: your reputation. A morosa set it.
Speaker 3: Off early in this interview. I'm celebrating twenty years in
Speaker 3: this amazing business. I'm celebrating twenty years of doing what
Speaker 3: I'd love to do and so so I kind of
Speaker 3: challenged my agent, amazing Anthony DiBiase, to find something fun
Speaker 3: for me to do to celebrate my twentieth year anniversary
Speaker 3: and reality TV. And this pitch was so it was
Speaker 3: so crazy and fun and exciting. The more he described it,
Speaker 3: I was like, now tell me again, what do I
Speaker 3: have to do? Just get out of the house for
Speaker 3: a million dollars to sign me up? And it's an
Speaker 3: amazing mansion, thirty five thousand square foot million dollar mansion
Speaker 3: in Canada, And it was. It was incredible. It was
Speaker 3: an incredible experience and I'm so happy that I did
Speaker 3: it in order to give my fans exactly what they
Speaker 3: wanted my twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: Ah, I love that give the fans exactly what they wanted.
Speaker 2: Do they expect you to be a villain, to be
Speaker 2: you know, conniving, to be manipulated. I mean, you said
Speaker 2: you leaned into it, but are you acting in a
Speaker 2: way or are you just drawing on that side of
Speaker 2: your personality? How do you go into a show like this?
Speaker 2: Do you have a a persona in mind or almost
Speaker 2: like a script in your head? Or is it truly
Speaker 2: just you being authentically yourself.
Speaker 3: I mean, not to get too deep on this early morning,
Speaker 3: but the reality is is that if a woman goes
Speaker 3: into a competitive environment and she decides to play the
Speaker 3: game just as tough, as strategic as the men, we
Speaker 3: get the labels right. So there's a million dollars on
Speaker 3: the line and I'm trying to find every twist, turn
Speaker 3: up down strategy to get out of this house to win,
Speaker 3: and instead of being labeled the hero for doing so,
Speaker 3: then the title is the villain.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I like to win and from the first time that
Speaker 3: you saw me on your TV screens, you knew that
Speaker 3: I wanted to win, and still did everybody else. But
Speaker 3: because I played the game my way, it was labeled
Speaker 3: as a villainous approach, as opposed to some of the
Speaker 3: other labels that people got, So that's fair. But the
Speaker 3: truth of the matter is women trying to be competitive
Speaker 3: in an environment like that, We're going to get every
Speaker 3: single name that you can attach to women who are
Speaker 3: strong and smart and strategic, as opposed to just calling
Speaker 3: us what we are, which is fantastic, fabulous, go get
Speaker 3: or women.
Speaker 2: I love that, I mean, and it's funny. I even see,
Speaker 2: like my daughters who are now young women, they actually
Speaker 2: lean into the term boss bitch. I mean they own
Speaker 2: it in a way like it's really bit right, like
Speaker 2: that kind of like it's a compliment. It's not a negative.
Speaker 2: But it's something that we've had to turn around as
Speaker 2: women specifically, because yeah, when you're demonstrative, when you're when
Speaker 2: you know what you want and you know how to
Speaker 2: get it, suddenly you're a bad guy.
Speaker 1: So both of y'all though, actually both you Robes and Morosa.
Speaker 1: Has that changed? Has it changed Morosa since you were
Speaker 1: on twenty years ago first started. Do we view women
Speaker 1: differently in these environments or is it feel exactly the
Speaker 1: same as always? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, it is not changed. Unfortunately, I would have loved
Speaker 3: to say that the industry has evolved, or the persona
Speaker 3: the perceptions have evolved for strong women, but it hasn't,
Speaker 3: and we constantly have to defend decisions that we make
Speaker 3: to advance our own interests. I'm tired of apologizing for
Speaker 3: going out there and getting what I want, going after
Speaker 3: what I want, and accomplishing my goals. Call me what
Speaker 3: you want, but don't call me late for dinner, okay?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And as to what you're saying, if you think about
Speaker 2: even obviously not many people have the reality show experience
Speaker 2: you've had, the New York Times best selling author of
Speaker 2: experience you've had, and a political career on top of it,
Speaker 2: And when you think about what we've seen from Hillary
Speaker 2: Clinton to Kamala Harris, I mean, powerful women can't even
Speaker 2: get elected by other women. I mean it really is true.
Speaker 2: And you've seen the inside workings of politics and what
Speaker 2: it's like behind the scenes. How are women treated in
Speaker 2: the White House in that environment. Is it the same
Speaker 2: as what you've experienced in reality shows or is it different?
Speaker 3: Well? I kind of feel like I mean that I've
Speaker 3: had a chance to watch you go through your career
Speaker 3: over the years, and I've seen how you've had to
Speaker 3: fight for your career and fight for your position and
Speaker 3: your stature. I think you could probably attest that we
Speaker 3: have to work even harder than our male counterparts to
Speaker 3: gain the type of respect that we want to get
Speaker 3: to the levels that we want to get to. And
Speaker 3: I do see it no matter what industry I'm in.
Speaker 3: I've worked in politics, as you know, I've worked in entertainment,
Speaker 3: I've worked in business, and I see the same dynamics
Speaker 3: playing over and over again. And the one thing I
Speaker 3: want to just say to any of the women that
Speaker 3: are watching, stop apologizing for going after what you want.
Speaker 3: Stop trying to get people to like you or to
Speaker 3: get them to invite you into spaces that you're not welcome.
Speaker 3: Create spaces for yourself, define for yourself who you are
Speaker 3: and what you want to accomplish, and then go after it.
Speaker 1: I love what you just said. Omris we Robock and
Speaker 1: I debated about should we start with some politics stuff,
Speaker 1: should we do the reality show stuff first? And I'm
Speaker 1: glad we've gone the direction we've gone. That is great,
Speaker 1: great advice from someone who has seen it at many
Speaker 1: different levels. What is it, though, that you find that
Speaker 1: women struggle so hard with? Because because I've had that
Speaker 1: said before, had some people say I've been in a room.
Speaker 1: I've never said that to women, but I've been when
Speaker 1: it's been said, and sometimes the reaction is wow, that
Speaker 1: sounds so easy. But like, what is the butt to
Speaker 1: try to get someone over that hump? Like that's easy
Speaker 1: to say, and that's not my personality or I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to play nice so I can get this job.
Speaker 1: What is the butt to get people over that hump?
Speaker 3: I think the butt is the freedom of defining your
Speaker 3: own terms, laying out your own path. That's the freedom
Speaker 3: that I have now. You know, I hear people when
Speaker 3: you say the name a Morosa, you get these different reactions.
Speaker 3: And at this point, I truly am free from what
Speaker 3: people think of me. And the moment you get to
Speaker 3: that point where you no longer care about other people's opinion,
Speaker 3: it is a level of freedom that people you know,
Speaker 3: aspire to to get to. And so I'm happy that
Speaker 3: I am here at this point in my life and
Speaker 3: that I can actually empower and inspire other women to
Speaker 3: embrace that power as well.
Speaker 1: This is an absolute personal question. How long did it
Speaker 1: take you to get there? I'm serious, that's so hard
Speaker 1: for people like us. I think we're getting better about it,
Speaker 1: but we aren't there yet. What did it take? How
Speaker 1: long did it take for you to get to that?
Speaker 3: No, for TJ, I've known you long enough to know
Speaker 3: that you have handled these situations with a lot of grace,
Speaker 3: a lot of grace under fire from attacks that some
Speaker 3: of them you just truly didn't deserve. So I appreciate
Speaker 3: that you're still going through that storm, but I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell you, at the end of that storm, the
Speaker 3: only thing you have are the people that you truly
Speaker 3: love and the things that are important to you change
Speaker 3: over time, and you change because of those challenges and
Speaker 3: those obstacles that you have to overcome. I know that
Speaker 3: I've changed over the years. You've watched me through my
Speaker 3: ups and downs, my battles, whether it was in the
Speaker 3: White House, whether I was battling for positioning in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: You've watched those changes. And I can tell you because
Speaker 3: of those storms, I'm a better person. I'm a stronger person,
Speaker 3: and I can absolutely tell you that I'm a wiser
Speaker 3: person and act accordingly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of our show was a therapy se.
Speaker 2: Right, so tell us more. But it's funny because we
Speaker 2: did get to probably one of our lowest points was
Speaker 2: when everyone has said the worst possible things about you
Speaker 2: that you could have never even imagined someone would print
Speaker 2: about you. Once you get to that place, you're kind
Speaker 2: of like, there is a freedom on the other side
Speaker 2: of You're like, what else can they say? They've already
Speaker 2: said it all. There's actually nothing else they could say
Speaker 2: that would be worse than that, And so there is freedom.
Speaker 5: When you start looking at it through that lens. It's
Speaker 5: a tough spot to be in, but it is perspective
Speaker 5: that ultimately will give you peace and will set you free.
Speaker 5: But you and I and TJ, we all know that
Speaker 5: we're still potentially when you've got that background or someone
Speaker 5: can google you and find.
Speaker 2: Whatever your clickbait forever, Like, does the clickbait ever end?
Speaker 2: Even when you're going through this new reality show and
Speaker 2: you've got new adventures in new projects, you're still like
Speaker 2: one of those people who will I don't know forever
Speaker 2: be potentially clickbait. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the clickbait. The reason the clickbait bothers me,
Speaker 3: And not all of it does, but the people who
Speaker 3: I'm close to that causes those headlines, and some of
Speaker 3: it is very innocent. One of my castmates who I
Speaker 3: absolutely adore on this show. Her name is Susan. She's
Speaker 3: from the Golden Bachelor, and I think quite innocently gave
Speaker 3: an interview where she talked about her first encounter with me,
Speaker 3: which was captured by the cameras and is a part
Speaker 3: of the episode. I walk in, I say, Hi, Susan,
Speaker 3: I'm omar Rosa. Nice to meet you. The headline says,
Speaker 3: Susan and Omrosa have a huge spat, a huge arch
Speaker 3: And I'm reading the article going, what art that we have?
Speaker 3: This is a person who I adore, who every morning
Speaker 3: I woke up and had incredible breakfast for. But there
Speaker 3: was one line in her interview where she talked about
Speaker 3: saying I don't watch reality TV, and I said to her,
Speaker 3: you might want to change your tune since you are
Speaker 3: in fact shooting a reality show like right now.
Speaker 1: That's good advice.
Speaker 3: That was the headline that came out of it, that
Speaker 3: we had some huge fats. So when it's people that
Speaker 3: I care about, people who are in my inner circle,
Speaker 3: and they become kind of caught up in this web
Speaker 3: of clickbait, that does in fact bother me. But for
Speaker 3: the most part. The other stuff, I just kind of
Speaker 3: throw it away. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: I felt. And you talked about Susan Knowles, who we love,
Speaker 1: we adore her, and I told her you were going
Speaker 1: to be on the show, and I don't think she
Speaker 1: will mind me saying this, but she flat out wrote
Speaker 1: she is a sweetheart. She knows her shit. Oh that
Speaker 1: is what she wrote about you.
Speaker 2: But no one will print that headline because it's kind,
Speaker 2: because it's nice, because it's women supporting women, and that's annoying.
Speaker 3: It is. It is quite annoying. But then, on the
Speaker 3: other hand, I had another pastmate and he sent me
Speaker 3: a text and said, I'm doing an interview and I'm
Speaker 3: going to just tell them how we had such a
Speaker 3: great time on the show and how much of sweetheart
Speaker 3: you were. The next headline I'm telling you twenty four
Speaker 3: hours later was the Daily Mail saying that this housemate said,
Speaker 3: you will never believe what Omerosa did in my bed.
Speaker 3: I said, what, I'm happily married. We went to a
Speaker 3: pastor for eight years. What do you talk about what
Speaker 3: I said of it? I put a one of the
Speaker 3: props in his bed. It was a rat, like a
Speaker 3: rat heead and I put it in his bed walked away.
Speaker 3: It was a practical joke. But for the headline to
Speaker 3: say you will never believe what she did in my bed,
Speaker 3: as if I did something lascidious in his bed, it was.
Speaker 3: That was one of those things where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is taking clickbait way too far. He instantly corrected it.
Speaker 3: But those are the moments where they're like your friends
Speaker 3: and people that you you care about, and they get
Speaker 3: caught into that deception. And the deception is click here,
Speaker 3: read the story. But the story has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the headlines.
Speaker 2: We knew that intellectually when we were a journalists, but
Speaker 2: until it happens to you, you can't actually really know
Speaker 2: what it's like and the impact it has. To the
Speaker 2: point now, TJ and I have made a pact between
Speaker 2: us when we're researching from morning run and doing you know,
Speaker 2: we have to click on a lot of articles to
Speaker 2: get all the information we need when we see something
Speaker 2: that we know has to be clickbait, and it's so
Speaker 2: temping because you're thinking, really, what, we will not click
Speaker 2: on it just for the principle of the matter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I will read the link and say is that clickbait, Yes,
Speaker 2: do not click it. Go to make a point like
Speaker 2: we won't give them one more click, and we can
Speaker 2: help it.
Speaker 3: With all the Megan Marco stuff, you know, any mean
Speaker 3: Marco star, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
Speaker 3: it's going to be clickbait, like none of it is real,
Speaker 3: and some of it is so tempting, you know, because
Speaker 3: I adore her, I interacted with her when I was
Speaker 3: out here in Hollywood, wonderful, her mother is wonderful, She's
Speaker 3: a great person. So you're you care about her, so
Speaker 3: you want to read if there is something happening. But
Speaker 3: ninety nine point of everything written about her is in
Speaker 3: fact clickbait.
Speaker 1: What would you say, so far, o Morosa in this interview?
Speaker 1: What is what do we give people that they're going
Speaker 1: to pluck out and make a negative headline about? Have
Speaker 1: we blown it already?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Well no, I will. I will, however, say that the
Speaker 3: idea that you all are writing this amazing book is
Speaker 3: a headline I just or you and I'm so happy
Speaker 3: I'm a part of this because I'll get the first
Speaker 3: copy and you'll have to autograph it. But breaking news,
Speaker 3: Amy and Day are writing a tell all book. And
Speaker 3: it'll be on your bookshelves in time for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Boy, she knows the game.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, she knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of that, when I saw that you were
Speaker 1: going to be on this new reality show, celebrity reality
Speaker 1: competition show, I immediately thought, that's unfair. Obviously she's gonna win.
Speaker 1: She has an advantage of Do you feel like that?
Speaker 1: When I look at you and the people you were
Speaker 1: up against, I'm like, that's not fair. She's gonna wipe
Speaker 1: the floor with these folks, right, But.
Speaker 3: I have a built in disadvantage because they know everything.
Speaker 3: If you want to know anything about how I've played
Speaker 3: in these competitive games going all the way back from
Speaker 3: The Apprentice, Brother, Fear Factor, Girls, Behavior, you name it,
Speaker 3: you can watch how I've competed. So they kind of
Speaker 3: know my strategy. And a lot of them, particularly the
Speaker 3: folks who are movies, that's what they call them, movies,
Speaker 3: they didn't want to work with me. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to team up with her, so they
Speaker 3: would team up with people who just were completely ineffective.
Speaker 3: So they would rather lose with somebody who was ineffective.
Speaker 3: Then you know, team up with me, so I had
Speaker 3: to evolve my game and it was okay. I didn't
Speaker 3: take it personal. Actually I leaned into it. You try
Speaker 3: to get intel good information, and it worked quite well
Speaker 3: for me, I believe. But yes, the disadvantage is that
Speaker 3: everybody knows a lot about me. The advantages A lot
Speaker 3: of people know a lot about me and they know
Speaker 3: I like to win. So if you want to be
Speaker 3: able to winner, you know, sign up with me.
Speaker 2: Now, Homer, have you been able to watch the season
Speaker 2: all the way through yet? How far have you watched
Speaker 2: on your own?
Speaker 3: I watched it with my my, my dear husband, and
Speaker 3: what he did was not prepared for was that I
Speaker 3: had that encounter with Spencer in our primary bathroom.
Speaker 1: We haven't made it to that yet.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, I don't want to ruin for the viewers,
Speaker 3: but I will give you this little tippet. Kim Zaziak
Speaker 3: and Cynthia Bailey from the House Vibes my roommates. I
Speaker 3: was very blessed to have them because it was just
Speaker 3: such a good time in our room. But we did
Speaker 3: kidnap a life size bear from a girl from the Bachelor.
Speaker 3: I know this sounds like crazy town, from a girl
Speaker 3: from the Bachelor who I just love. Her name is Demmy.
Speaker 3: We stole her bear as a part of a clue
Speaker 3: to get almost six hundred thousand dollars. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: preview that for you, and it all held broke loose.
Speaker 3: It was the craziest episode of the entire show. You
Speaker 3: see me running through the house with a bear. You'll
Speaker 3: see Kim hiding the bear and us trying to disguise
Speaker 3: this life size bear. When I tell you, it's the
Speaker 3: most fun that I've had in a very long time.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just I'm an adrenaline junkie. I
Speaker 3: got all my fix from the adrenaline because they're race
Speaker 3: cars and Lamborghinis and clues and big money at stakes
Speaker 3: and runs and a lot of laughs. So it was good.
Speaker 1: Omros, we heard a kidnap bear. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: funny enough prank. So what in all that scenario did
Speaker 1: your husband particularly have an issue with and didn't like
Speaker 1: so much? In that episode?
Speaker 2: She thought she was like getting around that and not
Speaker 2: actually having to directly answer that we were podcaster.
Speaker 3: I've forgotten big pros. Y'all were not going to allow me,
Speaker 3: so in order to not film in the bathroom, a
Speaker 3: person cannot be in a state of undress. That's a
Speaker 3: rule on reality TV. They the cameras just can't come
Speaker 3: into the room. Spencer comes with his big camera crew.
Speaker 3: They're following him behind as an action scene. We're trying
Speaker 3: to hide this bear. There's hundreds of thousand on the line.
Speaker 3: And he starts to walk into our bathroom. Says Spencer,
Speaker 3: I'm changing cloths, I'm getting a trust and I start
Speaker 3: to pull down my pants.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it, got it. Start to though that that's
Speaker 2: the phrase.
Speaker 3: Where you saw you know, uh, you know a little more.
Speaker 3: But no, to my surprise, my husband thought it was
Speaker 3: so funny. He thought it was hilarious. No, he's got
Speaker 3: such a good sense of humor. And thank god, Heidi
Speaker 3: thought it was funny. Spencer's lovely one to I adore
Speaker 3: it was a it was a very and the moment
Speaker 3: I went to start doing it, he turned around. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a big thing. But yes, there's a bear. There's housewives,
Speaker 3: there's bachelors, there's apprentices, there's big breath. It's all in
Speaker 3: this house. And that's kind of the whole fun of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: That's experience. She's smart enough to I wouldn't have known
Speaker 1: that little nugget. Then if I pull HI up, the
Speaker 1: camera crew can't come in here. If I am undressing
Speaker 1: in someone correct, that is brilliant.
Speaker 3: All I have to do is really unbutton a button.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could have just unbuttoned a button, but
Speaker 3: I'll always take it to the extreme. Okay, why not
Speaker 3: another level?
Speaker 2: Why not? It's good entertainment value. So it's it's funny.
Speaker 2: I was doing a deep dive about all your reality
Speaker 2: shows and I came across one that I had never
Speaker 2: heard of and that I had never seen. You know
Speaker 2: what I want to call say, the Ultimate Merger. I
Speaker 2: was like, is this show? And so I started telling TJ.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, she teamed up with
Speaker 2: now President Trump, and it says reality star Omerosa looks
Speaker 2: for love among twelve bachelors chosen by Donald Trump. I
Speaker 2: was like, can we find this and watch this immediately? What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: How did I miss this? A Morosa?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How did you miss that? Only a consummate journalist
Speaker 3: would take a deep dive and find in the revel
Speaker 3: of all of my IMBB listings. Okay, So I had
Speaker 3: shifted to producing, and Donald Trump had a production company.
Speaker 3: This was a part of the development deal that I
Speaker 3: signed after the third season of The Apprentice. I did
Speaker 3: remember I did Original Apprentice, Apprentice All Stars, and The
Speaker 3: Celebrity Apprentice, and Donald and I entered into a development deal.
Speaker 3: And at the time, the Bachelor had never had a
Speaker 3: black bachelorette. I don't know if you all remember this tremp.
Speaker 3: There was never a black bachelor at that point, and
Speaker 3: there had never been a black bachelorette, and it didn't
Speaker 3: look like it was ever going to happen, and so
Speaker 3: I wanted to change that. I thought there should be
Speaker 3: a black bachelorette. Black women date, black women have fun,
Speaker 3: Black women are attractive and desirable, and so I wanted
Speaker 3: to do my version of the Bachelorette. And Donald liked
Speaker 3: the idea so much he slapped his name on it,
Speaker 3: and it was It went from being called the Ultimate
Speaker 3: Merger to Donald Trump Presents the Ultimate Merger.
Speaker 1: Did he pick? I can't imagine. Did he pick? Did
Speaker 1: he really hand pick all of these guys?
Speaker 3: I guess in TV land you can say he did.
Speaker 1: I guess because he didn't think. Did he pick good guy?
Speaker 2: I was like, how'd that go?
Speaker 3: You know, you know the casting process. I'm sure they
Speaker 3: narrowed it down and then they put the folks in
Speaker 3: front of him. Donald is good at casting. I will
Speaker 3: say that he chose people who were hilarious, who you
Speaker 3: knew I would never choose, and then he chose some
Speaker 3: folks that were right, you know, well my type. They
Speaker 3: were absolutely my type. They were tall, dark, and handsome,
Speaker 3: you know, a very successful, affluent African American men. And
Speaker 3: that's that's that's my type. I like a handsome brother. Right.
Speaker 3: So they were on the show and we did all
Speaker 3: these crazy things, from horseback writing to them having to
Speaker 3: create perfumes, to them having to cook for me and
Speaker 3: all of that. And we shot it at Trump's hotel
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. So it was crazy. I can't believe
Speaker 3: he's found that Amy.
Speaker 2: It was so fun. I am going to find it
Speaker 2: and I'm going to watch it. I assure you that
Speaker 2: is happening. I'm curious, was Donald how was How would
Speaker 2: you compare Donald Trump as your boss in the entertainment
Speaker 2: world versus Donald Trump as your boss as president of
Speaker 2: the United States? Was he any different in either of
Speaker 2: those roles?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, quite different. In the entertainment world, it was
Speaker 3: all about ratings and he did not care. There was
Speaker 3: no limit to him winning that ratings race. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you saw all the interviews over the year where Donald
Speaker 3: would talk about, well, I had the best ratings, we
Speaker 3: had the best ratings. He had the biggest ratings, the
Speaker 3: best show, the bestest and so that was kind of
Speaker 3: his drive, was always about winning the ratings race. Moving
Speaker 3: into the political realm, there were bigger things that were
Speaker 3: at stakes. In fact, Americans' lives were at stakes, their livelihood, jobs,
Speaker 3: policies that impact their healthcare, to infrastructure, to national defense.
Speaker 3: So there were higher stakes and bigger consequences to decisions
Speaker 3: that he made. And so I saw him move from
Speaker 3: being this entertainer to having to now lead the country,
Speaker 3: and I realized that he was not equipped to do that,
Speaker 3: and I write a lot about that and Unhinged in
Speaker 3: my book.
Speaker 1: Do you see a difference in I know you're on
Speaker 1: the outside now, but does the Trump presidency when you
Speaker 1: worked with him in the first term and from what
Speaker 1: you've seen at least from this second term, these seem
Speaker 1: like two totally different Donald Trump's and two totally different
Speaker 1: things or this is about a continuation of what you
Speaker 1: saw firstter.
Speaker 3: You know, the first term I think was Wow, I
Speaker 3: can't believe we got here to this second term, which is,
Speaker 3: I think just revenge. I think that he wants to
Speaker 3: exact revenge on every single person who ever wronged him,
Speaker 3: whether it's the universities, the law firms, the agencies, I mean,
Speaker 3: you name it. No one has been spared in this
Speaker 3: particular term. And I haven't subscribed to this season of
Speaker 3: the White House because I've been in law school. So
Speaker 3: I will read the news, but I don't watch it,
Speaker 3: that twenty four hour news cycle because you know, I
Speaker 3: let my subscription.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, congratulations on earning your lottery. That is an amazing feed.
Speaker 2: I love that, even you know I've I've thought about that,
Speaker 2: but like you think, oh, I'm in my fifties, I
Speaker 2: love that you're doing it. That's such an amazing inspiration
Speaker 2: to any woman of any age. So congratulations.
Speaker 3: I think it's a goal that I actually was going
Speaker 3: to go to law school before the first season of
Speaker 3: The Apprentice back in two thousand and two, two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, That's where I was headed before I auditioned
Speaker 3: for The Apprentice. And I still had that goal on
Speaker 3: my vision board. It was something that I still wanted
Speaker 3: to accomplish. So when COVID happened and everything shut down,
Speaker 3: the world shut down, I started studying for the LSAT,
Speaker 3: got accepted into the dream schools that I wanted, and
Speaker 3: I'm graduating from law school next month. And I'm very
Speaker 3: very proud of that.
Speaker 2: Truly. Congratulations. That is congratulate that I just got chilled.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I that is amazing. That is amazing. Wow, So you
Speaker 2: could also you can start suing people now, are just
Speaker 2: defending the lawsuits.
Speaker 3: Don't forget. I went through four years of little there
Speaker 3: you go Trump, Thank God, I want but it was scary.
Speaker 3: So now I'm equipped to defend myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's got to feel pretty good. Has anything
Speaker 2: done so everyone seems so shocked by all of these
Speaker 2: decisions that Trump is making, from the tariffs to the
Speaker 2: cleaning house to Elon Musk YadA, YadA, YadA, Has anything
Speaker 2: he's done that you've read about? Surprised you surprised.
Speaker 3: Me, no, but disappointed me absolutely? Yes. I think that
Speaker 3: the country deserves a leader that keeps this nation's fabric,
Speaker 3: the fabric of this nation. Our democracy is really built
Speaker 3: on some of the constitutional principles that we hold near
Speaker 3: and dear. So any dismantling of those things, not only
Speaker 3: is it is disappointing, but it also should concerns every
Speaker 3: American in this country. Due processes at the very core
Speaker 3: of who we are. And so to see that disregarded,
Speaker 3: it's concerning.
Speaker 1: Is it policies more so than the other stuff?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: If he was just a matter of not going after
Speaker 1: people in the Justice Department, not going after a you know,
Speaker 1: revenge presidency, as you say, is it more so if
Speaker 1: he just stuck to his policies? Do you think most
Speaker 1: people would have issue with that? And even you take
Speaker 1: a lot of issue with that. It really is the
Speaker 1: extra curriculars, the stuff we're not used to seeing when
Speaker 1: we're president, with whether it's DEI or firing everybody or
Speaker 1: having elon And it's the extra stuff or is it
Speaker 1: policies as well?
Speaker 3: For you? You know, I think what we're seeing is
Speaker 3: a nation that is going through a transformation, and I
Speaker 3: think that every one of us need to have a
Speaker 3: say as to how this nation evolves. Right, And so
Speaker 3: when you talk about the other stuff. The other stuff
Speaker 3: really comes down to who we want to be moving
Speaker 3: into this next chapter as a country. I mean, do
Speaker 3: we want to be a country that is divided or
Speaker 3: do we want to be a country it still stands
Speaker 3: on the ideals that you can really truly live the
Speaker 3: American dream. A lot of what people are watching right
Speaker 3: now is the complete opposite of that. And so that's
Speaker 3: why I've had to just keep my head in my
Speaker 3: books and not get caught up into just every single day.
Speaker 3: There's a new headline every single day, there's a new
Speaker 3: executive order, every single day, there's new outrage and concerno,
Speaker 3: and I have to protect my peace, and so I've
Speaker 3: kind of disengaged from all of the madness just to
Speaker 3: protect my peace. And I encourage you to protect your
Speaker 3: piece ups and downs, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 3: have to protect your peace in the midst of all
Speaker 3: of this chaos.
Speaker 2: I'm curious Omroussa, because you obviously know him in a
Speaker 2: way that none of us do. What do you think
Speaker 2: his motivation is with all of this? Do you think
Speaker 2: it is to make America great again? Why is he
Speaker 2: doing what he's doing?
Speaker 3: Are you asking me Amy to go into the mind
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know him better than anyone.
Speaker 3: I thing that you have ever asked me to want
Speaker 3: to do. I'm sorry I have to draw the line here.
Speaker 3: No in his brain, and I would not even dare
Speaker 3: to try to figure it out. I'm sure that there
Speaker 3: are some great doctors, psychologists, experts who could probably do
Speaker 3: a better dive. I will tell you that when I
Speaker 3: first encountered him way back in two thousand and three,
Speaker 3: when we were first taping The Apprentice, that is not
Speaker 3: the person that I came to know, that I came
Speaker 3: to work with. And so watching this transformation and to
Speaker 3: watch him be supported by so many people who want
Speaker 3: to continue to see the chaos that's coming out of there.
Speaker 3: At some point, at some point, we have to choose
Speaker 3: ourselves and our peas and our sanity over what we're
Speaker 3: watching happen inside the Beltway.
Speaker 1: Remember the last you remember, the last time you talked
Speaker 1: to him, or even if not that, I mean we
Speaker 1: all end up in some circles. Have you bumped him
Speaker 1: to him anywhere?
Speaker 3: Have you even tried to read my book?
Speaker 1: Yes, she actually reminded me of that passage phone call.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, now, she has a recorded phone call
Speaker 3: as redulous to see if you had had. I poured
Speaker 3: my heart into the book into Unhinged, because at the
Speaker 3: time that I wrote it, I wanted to warn people
Speaker 3: as to what I observed, right. I wanted them to
Speaker 3: know how decisions were being made that impacted your lives.
Speaker 3: I wanted people to know that if he did get
Speaker 3: re elected, this is what you would get. I then,
Speaker 3: throughout the summer of last year, try to spread the
Speaker 3: word about why Kama Harris would be a better choice.
Speaker 3: Right I was campaigning, I used my platform as much
Speaker 3: as I possibly could. And so now we have this
Speaker 3: outcome and people are going through the type of pain
Speaker 3: and angst that they have gotten with this administration, and
Speaker 3: it's hard for me to watch. It's hard for me
Speaker 3: to watch people suffer. It's really hard for me to
Speaker 3: even imagine that we have. We have not even reached
Speaker 3: the first one hundred days TJ. We haven't made it
Speaker 3: to the one hundred day mark yet. So I can't
Speaker 3: really inform folks as to what to expect in the
Speaker 3: future because this is not the person that I met
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. It's not even person that I met
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. So I can't even draw on those
Speaker 3: experiences that I had with them, because this is this
Speaker 3: is something that I've never seen before. Have you you've
Speaker 3: been coverment politics longer than me. Have you two seen
Speaker 3: anything like this.
Speaker 1: I have never seen anyone do exactly what they say
Speaker 1: they're going to do and then people be surprised by it. Right,
Speaker 1: This wasn't just scary. Stop. He said what he was
Speaker 1: going to do, so the only surprise is that he
Speaker 1: did it. So and I heard you talk about it
Speaker 1: as well. He said it. You warned folks, and maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't like the messenger, but you warned folks. When
Speaker 1: he says this.
Speaker 3: Take him at his word. He's saying it. They're like,
Speaker 3: he really do this. I'm like, take Donald Trump at
Speaker 3: his word. If he says he's going to get rid
Speaker 3: of the Department of Education, he's going to get rid
Speaker 3: of the Department of Education. If he says he's going
Speaker 3: to fire all the heads of the military of this
Speaker 3: that he's going to do it, take him at his word.
Speaker 3: That should be my next book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and police people need to be reminded. You said
Speaker 1: all this on the record before he was inaugurated January
Speaker 1: twenty last year.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, And TJ actually showed that to me this morning.
Speaker 2: He said, look at this. Alma Rosa called it. I said, wait,
Speaker 2: when did she post that? He said in November, And
Speaker 2: like to the letter, you predicted everything that's happened in
Speaker 2: the last few months that everyone is so shocked by.
Speaker 2: You literally warned them. It's kind of crazy. If you
Speaker 2: go back and look it up, you nailed it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know no one wants to like be You don't
Speaker 2: want to say I told you so, but you kind
Speaker 2: of told us so well.
Speaker 3: I think the result for me is just I had
Speaker 3: a girlfriend who's worked at the Department of Justice for
Speaker 3: at least twenty three years or is very near to retiring,
Speaker 3: and was dismissed for cause saying that she didn't perform
Speaker 3: and all of her performance reviews were you know, outstanding.
Speaker 3: And to watch her now and try to figure out
Speaker 3: what she's going to do and scrambling, you know, to
Speaker 3: pay her child's tuition or to you know, make ends
Speaker 3: meet after she served this country for so very long,
Speaker 3: that is very hard for me. So no, I would
Speaker 3: never say that like, oh, I told you know. These
Speaker 3: are the things that I share with you because of
Speaker 3: how much it's impacting people very close to me and
Speaker 3: even people I don't know. I've watched a press conference
Speaker 3: about farmers. You know, these these farmers who are begging
Speaker 3: for release, and they begging for help, you know, and
Speaker 3: they're not getting a relief that they deserve, or veterans
Speaker 3: who are suffering. So, I mean, I don't know. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I just hope that we can find a
Speaker 3: way as a nation to come together to make sure
Speaker 3: that we hold on to the core of who we
Speaker 3: are right and that we do not allow this to
Speaker 3: divide us in a way that we can never recover from.
Speaker 2: Very very well said, we can't wait to see what
Speaker 2: you do with this law degree. That is a really
Speaker 2: fun and exciting or in that bathroom or in that bathroom,
Speaker 2: we want to get to that episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you went from the show is fun? Eat it
Speaker 3: some fun? After you know, three years in law school,
Speaker 3: I wanted to do something fun. And the relationships that I.
Speaker 1: Who's calling is as your husband, I'd like to talk
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Oh no, let me tell you something by the husband lotto.
Speaker 3: He's so no, he really is. And I mean I
Speaker 3: think you can attest it when you find this type
Speaker 3: of love. You hold on to it, you fight for it,
Speaker 3: you protect it. It's worth fighting for. Honey, You're on life.
Speaker 3: Forgive me for doing this. Say hi to TJ and Amy?
Speaker 3: Did you say?
Speaker 2: He's like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 3: Well, listen, whenever my husband calls, I take it, but
Speaker 3: I want him to say hi to you.
Speaker 1: Do that. Take that call. We will let you know.
Speaker 3: Don't don't go right back, all right, you're back. Okay.
Speaker 2: It's actually that's a really cool thing. Every time my
Speaker 2: husband calls, no matter where I am, no matter what
Speaker 2: I'm doing, I take his call. That's very sweet. I
Speaker 2: love hearing her say that. Now, a Morosa, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for I mean, we covered the gamut of topics,
Speaker 2: but who better to do it with than you. You
Speaker 2: have done so much, been somebody places has You've earned
Speaker 2: so much wisdom through all of these experiences that we're
Speaker 2: even taking notes from. So thank you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing all of that with us and
Speaker 2: your time. And we want to make sure you get
Speaker 2: back to your hobby soon, so we'll let you go.
Speaker 2: But thank you, Morosa.
Speaker 3: Y'all look happy and that makes me happy.
Speaker 1: I love love, Oh, thank you so much for that
Speaker 1: a morosa. I'm going to do better. We haven't talked
Speaker 1: in a while, I haven't seen you in a while,
Speaker 1: but I promise that's not going to continue. I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot of lessons and when people are on your mind,
Speaker 1: you always reach out.
Speaker 3: So we'll get a mail. You guys get to meet
Speaker 3: my husband and I wish you well and congratulations on
Speaker 3: this amazing podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to us the Alaship. We will
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