1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hey, the folks today, we are talking about the all 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: time greats. You know, those people in the world will 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: reached such a level of fame, such a level of accomplishment, 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: such a level of greatness that they just go by 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: one name. Yeah, so we're talking about the mononym of 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: folks out there in robes. We're gonna start this episode 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: a little different. Everybody knows these names. You give me 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: your reaction when I say Madonna. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Oh, material girl, Shack, amazing basketball player, share, I mean, 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: could you get a better singer? 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Zendaya? 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gorgeous in a phenomenal actress. Beyonce Yeah, I 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: mean enough, I mean, hello, she is Beyonce. Kobe Yeah, 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: shooting some hoops, sting. Yeah, he knows how to sing 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: as well. Bono Yeah, another great musician. Nelly, love him too. 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: I gets getting hot in here. Adele, Yes, she can 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: sing a few notes. Rihanna, Yeah, I love her. Mega 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Eminem one of the greatest. Prince Yeah, hello, Oprah Wow, yes, 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: of course, Yeah, Lizzo, They're They're all incredible and we 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: know who they are immediately. Yeah, what do you want 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: me to say with that? 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Folks? Welcome to this edition. 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: Amy, do you Jay Oh Baco battle can sing and 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: you're like, what do you want me to say? 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: You know what I'll tell I'll tell you a morosa 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: the word that came in my mind. And I know 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: it's going to piss you off because it would piss 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: me off. But villain, that is the word that came 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: to my mind. You have been vilified no matter what 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: you do, no matter what show you're in, no matter 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: what book you write, there's always a way to vilify you. 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: So yes, that word came to my head and I 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: didn't want to say it out loud, but I'll say it. 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: I'll say that is the word that came to my mind. 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: It's unfair, it's unfounded, but that that is how you 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: have been portrayed is. 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: An unfair unfounded Do you welcome that label sometimes? 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: You know, I understand where it comes from. But you 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: guys have been vilified to you know, sometimes this is 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: fairly and unfairly. But I have leaned into the villain 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: persona at different times in my career. But twenty years later, 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised, right because you know, after twenty 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: years you kind of get to realize that reality TV 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: is what it is. But I lean into it. I 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: don't mind and speaking my name right on the check. 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, speaking of reality TV, Yes, let's backup and 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: introduce yes, mss Omerosa Manigault Newman, who, of course is 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: reality show reality competition show royalty in this Country, also 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: author of the book Unhinged Poses to Get That Right, 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: an insider's account of the Trump White House. 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Yes and insider. Yes, she is a best selling authorber Welcome, Welcome, wealthy. 52 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: It is so good to see you. 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: When when is y'alls book coming out? 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about. 55 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: It, new's here today. When when is the book coming out? 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Okay? I am not okay, we Morosa is so funny 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: you said this and Robes doesn't even know this yet. 58 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: But as we're recording this sixteen minutes ago, I got 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: a email from a book agent. I kid you not. 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: That is so weird that that just happens, same wavelength. 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: But we don't know when the book might be coming out. 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: But welcome, welcome. Why look, you've done a lot of 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: reality shows. Why this one now? On this new one? 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: On? 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: Who help me with the title here? I got to 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: get out? Got to get Out is the title of it. 67 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: But why did this one appeal to you? 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you all for having me on. Sorry, Amy, 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: I didn't mean to get you know, on you so early. 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: No, no, it's not all right. You're living up to 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: your reputation. A morosa set it. 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: Off early in this interview. I'm celebrating twenty years in 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: this amazing business. I'm celebrating twenty years of doing what 74 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: I'd love to do and so so I kind of 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: challenged my agent, amazing Anthony DiBiase, to find something fun 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: for me to do to celebrate my twentieth year anniversary 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: and reality TV. And this pitch was so it was 78 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: so crazy and fun and exciting. The more he described it, 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: I was like, now tell me again, what do I 80 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: have to do? Just get out of the house for 81 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: a million dollars to sign me up? And it's an 82 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: amazing mansion, thirty five thousand square foot million dollar mansion 83 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: in Canada, And it was. It was incredible. It was 84 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: an incredible experience and I'm so happy that I did 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: it in order to give my fans exactly what they 86 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: wanted my twentieth anniversary. 87 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: Ah, I love that give the fans exactly what they wanted. 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: Do they expect you to be a villain, to be 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: you know, conniving, to be manipulated. I mean, you said 90 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: you leaned into it, but are you acting in a 91 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: way or are you just drawing on that side of 92 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: your personality? How do you go into a show like this? 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: Do you have a a persona in mind or almost 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: like a script in your head? Or is it truly 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: just you being authentically yourself. 96 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: I mean, not to get too deep on this early morning, 97 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: but the reality is is that if a woman goes 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: into a competitive environment and she decides to play the 99 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: game just as tough, as strategic as the men, we 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: get the labels right. So there's a million dollars on 101 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: the line and I'm trying to find every twist, turn 102 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: up down strategy to get out of this house to win, 103 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: and instead of being labeled the hero for doing so, 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: then the title is the villain. 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: Right. 106 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: I like to win and from the first time that 107 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: you saw me on your TV screens, you knew that 108 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to win, and still did everybody else. But 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: because I played the game my way, it was labeled 110 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 3: as a villainous approach, as opposed to some of the 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: other labels that people got, So that's fair. But the 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: truth of the matter is women trying to be competitive 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 3: in an environment like that, We're going to get every 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: single name that you can attach to women who are 115 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: strong and smart and strategic, as opposed to just calling 116 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: us what we are, which is fantastic, fabulous, go get 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: or women. 118 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: I love that, I mean, and it's funny. I even see, 119 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: like my daughters who are now young women, they actually 120 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: lean into the term boss bitch. I mean they own 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: it in a way like it's really bit right, like 122 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: that kind of like it's a compliment. It's not a negative. 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: But it's something that we've had to turn around as 124 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: women specifically, because yeah, when you're demonstrative, when you're when 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: you know what you want and you know how to 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: get it, suddenly you're a bad guy. 127 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: So both of y'all though, actually both you Robes and Morosa. 128 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: Has that changed? Has it changed Morosa since you were 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: on twenty years ago first started. Do we view women 130 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: differently in these environments or is it feel exactly the 131 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: same as always? Oh? 132 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: No, it is not changed. Unfortunately, I would have loved 133 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: to say that the industry has evolved, or the persona 134 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: the perceptions have evolved for strong women, but it hasn't, 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: and we constantly have to defend decisions that we make 136 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: to advance our own interests. I'm tired of apologizing for 137 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 3: going out there and getting what I want, going after 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: what I want, and accomplishing my goals. Call me what 139 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: you want, but don't call me late for dinner, okay? 140 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: You know. 141 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 2: And as to what you're saying, if you think about 142 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: even obviously not many people have the reality show experience 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: you've had, the New York Times best selling author of 144 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: experience you've had, and a political career on top of it, 145 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: And when you think about what we've seen from Hillary 146 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: Clinton to Kamala Harris, I mean, powerful women can't even 147 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: get elected by other women. I mean it really is true. 148 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: And you've seen the inside workings of politics and what 149 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: it's like behind the scenes. How are women treated in 150 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: the White House in that environment. Is it the same 151 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: as what you've experienced in reality shows or is it different? 152 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: Well? I kind of feel like I mean that I've 153 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: had a chance to watch you go through your career 154 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: over the years, and I've seen how you've had to 155 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: fight for your career and fight for your position and 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: your stature. I think you could probably attest that we 157 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: have to work even harder than our male counterparts to 158 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: gain the type of respect that we want to get 159 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: to the levels that we want to get to. And 160 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: I do see it no matter what industry I'm in. 161 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: I've worked in politics, as you know, I've worked in entertainment, 162 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: I've worked in business, and I see the same dynamics 163 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: playing over and over again. And the one thing I 164 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: want to just say to any of the women that 165 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: are watching, stop apologizing for going after what you want. 166 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: Stop trying to get people to like you or to 167 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: get them to invite you into spaces that you're not welcome. 168 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: Create spaces for yourself, define for yourself who you are 169 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: and what you want to accomplish, and then go after it. 170 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: I love what you just said. Omris we Robock and 171 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: I debated about should we start with some politics stuff, 172 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: should we do the reality show stuff first? And I'm 173 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: glad we've gone the direction we've gone. That is great, 174 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: great advice from someone who has seen it at many 175 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: different levels. What is it, though, that you find that 176 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: women struggle so hard with? Because because I've had that 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: said before, had some people say I've been in a room. 178 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: I've never said that to women, but I've been when 179 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: it's been said, and sometimes the reaction is wow, that 180 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: sounds so easy. But like, what is the butt to 181 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: try to get someone over that hump? Like that's easy 182 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: to say, and that's not my personality or I'm just 183 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: trying to play nice so I can get this job. 184 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: What is the butt to get people over that hump? 185 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: I think the butt is the freedom of defining your 186 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: own terms, laying out your own path. That's the freedom 187 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: that I have now. You know, I hear people when 188 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 3: you say the name a Morosa, you get these different reactions. 189 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: And at this point, I truly am free from what 190 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: people think of me. And the moment you get to 191 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: that point where you no longer care about other people's opinion, 192 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: it is a level of freedom that people you know, 193 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: aspire to to get to. And so I'm happy that 194 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: I am here at this point in my life and 195 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: that I can actually empower and inspire other women to 196 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: embrace that power as well. 197 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: This is an absolute personal question. How long did it 198 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: take you to get there? I'm serious, that's so hard 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: for people like us. I think we're getting better about it, 200 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: but we aren't there yet. What did it take? How 201 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: long did it take for you to get to that? 202 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: No, for TJ, I've known you long enough to know 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: that you have handled these situations with a lot of grace, 204 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: a lot of grace under fire from attacks that some 205 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: of them you just truly didn't deserve. So I appreciate 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: that you're still going through that storm, but I'm going 207 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: to tell you, at the end of that storm, the 208 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: only thing you have are the people that you truly 209 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: love and the things that are important to you change 210 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: over time, and you change because of those challenges and 211 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: those obstacles that you have to overcome. I know that 212 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: I've changed over the years. You've watched me through my 213 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: ups and downs, my battles, whether it was in the 214 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,119 Speaker 3: White House, whether I was battling for positioning in Hollywood. 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: You've watched those changes. And I can tell you because 216 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: of those storms, I'm a better person. I'm a stronger person, 217 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: and I can absolutely tell you that I'm a wiser 218 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: person and act accordingly. 219 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of our show was a therapy se. 220 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: Right, so tell us more. But it's funny because we 221 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: did get to probably one of our lowest points was 222 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: when everyone has said the worst possible things about you 223 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: that you could have never even imagined someone would print 224 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: about you. Once you get to that place, you're kind 225 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: of like, there is a freedom on the other side 226 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: of You're like, what else can they say? They've already 227 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: said it all. There's actually nothing else they could say 228 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: that would be worse than that, And so there is freedom. 229 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 5: When you start looking at it through that lens. It's 230 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: a tough spot to be in, but it is perspective 231 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 5: that ultimately will give you peace and will set you free. 232 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 5: But you and I and TJ, we all know that 233 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 5: we're still potentially when you've got that background or someone 234 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 5: can google you and find. 235 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: Whatever your clickbait forever, Like, does the clickbait ever end? 236 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: Even when you're going through this new reality show and 237 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: you've got new adventures in new projects, you're still like 238 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: one of those people who will I don't know forever 239 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: be potentially clickbait. How do you deal with that? 240 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the clickbait. The reason the clickbait bothers me, 241 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: And not all of it does, but the people who 242 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: I'm close to that causes those headlines, and some of 243 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: it is very innocent. One of my castmates who I 244 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: absolutely adore on this show. Her name is Susan. She's 245 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: from the Golden Bachelor, and I think quite innocently gave 246 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: an interview where she talked about her first encounter with me, 247 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: which was captured by the cameras and is a part 248 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: of the episode. I walk in, I say, Hi, Susan, 249 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm omar Rosa. Nice to meet you. The headline says, 250 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: Susan and Omrosa have a huge spat, a huge arch 251 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: And I'm reading the article going, what art that we have? 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: This is a person who I adore, who every morning 253 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: I woke up and had incredible breakfast for. But there 254 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: was one line in her interview where she talked about 255 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: saying I don't watch reality TV, and I said to her, 256 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 3: you might want to change your tune since you are 257 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: in fact shooting a reality show like right now. 258 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: That's good advice. 259 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: That was the headline that came out of it, that 260 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: we had some huge fats. So when it's people that 261 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: I care about, people who are in my inner circle, 262 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: and they become kind of caught up in this web 263 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: of clickbait, that does in fact bother me. But for 264 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: the most part. The other stuff, I just kind of 265 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: throw it away. It doesn't bother me. 266 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I felt. And you talked about Susan Knowles, who we love, 267 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: we adore her, and I told her you were going 268 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: to be on the show, and I don't think she 269 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: will mind me saying this, but she flat out wrote 270 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: she is a sweetheart. She knows her shit. Oh that 271 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: is what she wrote about you. 272 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: But no one will print that headline because it's kind, 273 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: because it's nice, because it's women supporting women, and that's annoying. 274 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: It is. It is quite annoying. But then, on the 275 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: other hand, I had another pastmate and he sent me 276 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: a text and said, I'm doing an interview and I'm 277 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: going to just tell them how we had such a 278 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,479 Speaker 3: great time on the show and how much of sweetheart 279 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: you were. The next headline I'm telling you twenty four 280 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: hours later was the Daily Mail saying that this housemate said, 281 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: you will never believe what Omerosa did in my bed. 282 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: I said, what, I'm happily married. We went to a 283 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: pastor for eight years. What do you talk about what 284 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: I said of it? I put a one of the 285 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: props in his bed. It was a rat, like a 286 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: rat heead and I put it in his bed walked away. 287 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: It was a practical joke. But for the headline to 288 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: say you will never believe what she did in my bed, 289 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: as if I did something lascidious in his bed, it was. 290 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: That was one of those things where I was like, Okay, 291 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: this is taking clickbait way too far. He instantly corrected it. 292 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: But those are the moments where they're like your friends 293 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: and people that you you care about, and they get 294 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: caught into that deception. And the deception is click here, 295 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: read the story. But the story has nothing to do 296 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: with the headlines. 297 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: We knew that intellectually when we were a journalists, but 298 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: until it happens to you, you can't actually really know 299 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: what it's like and the impact it has. To the 300 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: point now, TJ and I have made a pact between 301 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: us when we're researching from morning run and doing you know, 302 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: we have to click on a lot of articles to 303 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: get all the information we need when we see something 304 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: that we know has to be clickbait, and it's so 305 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: temping because you're thinking, really, what, we will not click 306 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: on it just for the principle of the matter. Yeah, 307 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: I will read the link and say is that clickbait, Yes, 308 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: do not click it. Go to make a point like 309 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: we won't give them one more click, and we can 310 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: help it. 311 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: With all the Megan Marco stuff, you know, any mean 312 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: Marco star, ninety nine point nine percent of the time, 313 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: it's going to be clickbait, like none of it is real, 314 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: and some of it is so tempting, you know, because 315 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: I adore her, I interacted with her when I was 316 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: out here in Hollywood, wonderful, her mother is wonderful, She's 317 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: a great person. So you're you care about her, so 318 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: you want to read if there is something happening. But 319 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: ninety nine point of everything written about her is in 320 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: fact clickbait. 321 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: What would you say, so far, o Morosa in this interview? 322 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: What is what do we give people that they're going 323 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: to pluck out and make a negative headline about? Have 324 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: we blown it already? 325 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: Probably? 326 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: Well no, I will. I will, however, say that the 327 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: idea that you all are writing this amazing book is 328 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: a headline I just or you and I'm so happy 329 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm a part of this because I'll get the first 330 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: copy and you'll have to autograph it. But breaking news, 331 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: Amy and Day are writing a tell all book. And 332 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: it'll be on your bookshelves in time for Christmas. 333 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: Boy, she knows the game. 334 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, she knows what she's doing. 335 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of that, when I saw that you were 336 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: going to be on this new reality show, celebrity reality 337 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: competition show, I immediately thought, that's unfair. Obviously she's gonna win. 338 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: She has an advantage of Do you feel like that? 339 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: When I look at you and the people you were 340 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: up against, I'm like, that's not fair. She's gonna wipe 341 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: the floor with these folks, right, But. 342 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: I have a built in disadvantage because they know everything. 343 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: If you want to know anything about how I've played 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: in these competitive games going all the way back from 345 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: The Apprentice, Brother, Fear Factor, Girls, Behavior, you name it, 346 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: you can watch how I've competed. So they kind of 347 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: know my strategy. And a lot of them, particularly the 348 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 3: folks who are movies, that's what they call them, movies, 349 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: they didn't want to work with me. They're like, oh, 350 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: I don't want to team up with her, so they 351 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: would team up with people who just were completely ineffective. 352 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: So they would rather lose with somebody who was ineffective. 353 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: Then you know, team up with me, so I had 354 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: to evolve my game and it was okay. I didn't 355 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: take it personal. Actually I leaned into it. You try 356 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: to get intel good information, and it worked quite well 357 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: for me, I believe. But yes, the disadvantage is that 358 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: everybody knows a lot about me. The advantages A lot 359 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: of people know a lot about me and they know 360 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: I like to win. So if you want to be 361 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: able to winner, you know, sign up with me. 362 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: Now, Homer, have you been able to watch the season 363 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: all the way through yet? How far have you watched 364 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: on your own? 365 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: I watched it with my my, my dear husband, and 366 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: what he did was not prepared for was that I 367 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: had that encounter with Spencer in our primary bathroom. 368 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: We haven't made it to that yet. 369 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, I don't want to ruin for the viewers, 370 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: but I will give you this little tippet. Kim Zaziak 371 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: and Cynthia Bailey from the House Vibes my roommates. I 372 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: was very blessed to have them because it was just 373 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 3: such a good time in our room. But we did 374 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: kidnap a life size bear from a girl from the Bachelor. 375 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: I know this sounds like crazy town, from a girl 376 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: from the Bachelor who I just love. Her name is Demmy. 377 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: We stole her bear as a part of a clue 378 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: to get almost six hundred thousand dollars. I'm just gonna 379 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: preview that for you, and it all held broke loose. 380 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: It was the craziest episode of the entire show. You 381 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: see me running through the house with a bear. You'll 382 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 3: see Kim hiding the bear and us trying to disguise 383 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: this life size bear. When I tell you, it's the 384 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: most fun that I've had in a very long time. 385 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: That's cool. 386 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it was just I'm an adrenaline junkie. I 387 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: got all my fix from the adrenaline because they're race 388 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: cars and Lamborghinis and clues and big money at stakes 389 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: and runs and a lot of laughs. So it was good. 390 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Omros, we heard a kidnap bear. That sounds like a 391 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: funny enough prank. So what in all that scenario did 392 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: your husband particularly have an issue with and didn't like 393 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: so much? In that episode? 394 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: She thought she was like getting around that and not 395 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: actually having to directly answer that we were podcaster. 396 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: I've forgotten big pros. Y'all were not going to allow me, 397 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: so in order to not film in the bathroom, a 398 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 3: person cannot be in a state of undress. That's a 399 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: rule on reality TV. They the cameras just can't come 400 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: into the room. Spencer comes with his big camera crew. 401 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: They're following him behind as an action scene. We're trying 402 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: to hide this bear. There's hundreds of thousand on the line. 403 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: And he starts to walk into our bathroom. Says Spencer, 404 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm changing cloths, I'm getting a trust and I start 405 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: to pull down my pants. 406 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: Okay, got it, got it. Start to though that that's 407 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: the phrase. 408 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: Where you saw you know, uh, you know a little more. 409 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 3: But no, to my surprise, my husband thought it was 410 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: so funny. He thought it was hilarious. No, he's got 411 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: such a good sense of humor. And thank god, Heidi 412 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: thought it was funny. Spencer's lovely one to I adore 413 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: it was a it was a very and the moment 414 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: I went to start doing it, he turned around. It 415 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: wasn't a big thing. But yes, there's a bear. There's housewives, 416 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 3: there's bachelors, there's apprentices, there's big breath. It's all in 417 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: this house. And that's kind of the whole fun of 418 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: the show. 419 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: That's experience. She's smart enough to I wouldn't have known 420 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: that little nugget. Then if I pull HI up, the 421 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: camera crew can't come in here. If I am undressing 422 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: in someone correct, that is brilliant. 423 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: All I have to do is really unbutton a button. 424 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I could have just unbuttoned a button, but 425 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: I'll always take it to the extreme. Okay, why not 426 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: another level? 427 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: Why not? It's good entertainment value. So it's it's funny. 428 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: I was doing a deep dive about all your reality 429 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: shows and I came across one that I had never 430 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: heard of and that I had never seen. You know 431 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: what I want to call say, the Ultimate Merger. I 432 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: was like, is this show? And so I started telling TJ. 433 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, she teamed up with 434 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: now President Trump, and it says reality star Omerosa looks 435 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: for love among twelve bachelors chosen by Donald Trump. I 436 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: was like, can we find this and watch this immediately? What? 437 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: What? 438 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: How did I miss this? A Morosa? 439 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? How did you miss that? Only a consummate journalist 440 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: would take a deep dive and find in the revel 441 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: of all of my IMBB listings. Okay, So I had 442 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 3: shifted to producing, and Donald Trump had a production company. 443 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: This was a part of the development deal that I 444 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: signed after the third season of The Apprentice. I did 445 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: remember I did Original Apprentice, Apprentice All Stars, and The 446 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: Celebrity Apprentice, and Donald and I entered into a development deal. 447 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: And at the time, the Bachelor had never had a 448 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: black bachelorette. I don't know if you all remember this tremp. 449 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: There was never a black bachelor at that point, and 450 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: there had never been a black bachelorette, and it didn't 451 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: look like it was ever going to happen, and so 452 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: I wanted to change that. I thought there should be 453 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: a black bachelorette. Black women date, black women have fun, 454 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: Black women are attractive and desirable, and so I wanted 455 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 3: to do my version of the Bachelorette. And Donald liked 456 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: the idea so much he slapped his name on it, 457 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: and it was It went from being called the Ultimate 458 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: Merger to Donald Trump Presents the Ultimate Merger. 459 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: Did he pick? I can't imagine. Did he pick? Did 460 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: he really hand pick all of these guys? 461 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 3: I guess in TV land you can say he did. 462 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: I guess because he didn't think. Did he pick good guy? 463 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: I was like, how'd that go? 464 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: You know, you know the casting process. I'm sure they 465 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: narrowed it down and then they put the folks in 466 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: front of him. Donald is good at casting. I will 467 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 3: say that he chose people who were hilarious, who you 468 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 3: knew I would never choose, and then he chose some 469 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 3: folks that were right, you know, well my type. They 470 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: were absolutely my type. They were tall, dark, and handsome, 471 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: you know, a very successful, affluent African American men. And 472 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: that's that's that's my type. I like a handsome brother. Right. 473 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: So they were on the show and we did all 474 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: these crazy things, from horseback writing to them having to 475 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: create perfumes, to them having to cook for me and 476 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: all of that. And we shot it at Trump's hotel 477 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. So it was crazy. I can't believe 478 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: he's found that Amy. 479 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: It was so fun. I am going to find it 480 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: and I'm going to watch it. I assure you that 481 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: is happening. I'm curious, was Donald how was How would 482 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: you compare Donald Trump as your boss in the entertainment 483 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: world versus Donald Trump as your boss as president of 484 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: the United States? Was he any different in either of 485 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: those roles? 486 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, quite different. In the entertainment world, it was 487 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: all about ratings and he did not care. There was 488 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: no limit to him winning that ratings race. I'm sure 489 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: you saw all the interviews over the year where Donald 490 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: would talk about, well, I had the best ratings, we 491 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: had the best ratings. He had the biggest ratings, the 492 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: best show, the bestest and so that was kind of 493 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: his drive, was always about winning the ratings race. Moving 494 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 3: into the political realm, there were bigger things that were 495 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: at stakes. In fact, Americans' lives were at stakes, their livelihood, jobs, 496 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: policies that impact their healthcare, to infrastructure, to national defense. 497 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: So there were higher stakes and bigger consequences to decisions 498 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: that he made. And so I saw him move from 499 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 3: being this entertainer to having to now lead the country, 500 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: and I realized that he was not equipped to do that, 501 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: and I write a lot about that and Unhinged in 502 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: my book. 503 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: Do you see a difference in I know you're on 504 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: the outside now, but does the Trump presidency when you 505 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: worked with him in the first term and from what 506 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: you've seen at least from this second term, these seem 507 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: like two totally different Donald Trump's and two totally different 508 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: things or this is about a continuation of what you 509 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: saw firstter. 510 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: You know, the first term I think was Wow, I 511 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: can't believe we got here to this second term, which is, 512 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: I think just revenge. I think that he wants to 513 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 3: exact revenge on every single person who ever wronged him, 514 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: whether it's the universities, the law firms, the agencies, I mean, 515 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: you name it. No one has been spared in this 516 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: particular term. And I haven't subscribed to this season of 517 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: the White House because I've been in law school. So 518 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: I will read the news, but I don't watch it, 519 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: that twenty four hour news cycle because you know, I 520 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: let my subscription. 521 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: Congratulations, congratulations on earning your lottery. That is an amazing feed. 522 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: I love that, even you know I've I've thought about that, 523 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: but like you think, oh, I'm in my fifties, I 524 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 2: love that you're doing it. That's such an amazing inspiration 525 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: to any woman of any age. So congratulations. 526 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 3: I think it's a goal that I actually was going 527 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: to go to law school before the first season of 528 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: The Apprentice back in two thousand and two, two thousand 529 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: and three, That's where I was headed before I auditioned 530 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 3: for The Apprentice. And I still had that goal on 531 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: my vision board. It was something that I still wanted 532 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: to accomplish. So when COVID happened and everything shut down, 533 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: the world shut down, I started studying for the LSAT, 534 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: got accepted into the dream schools that I wanted, and 535 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: I'm graduating from law school next month. And I'm very 536 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 3: very proud of that. 537 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: Truly. Congratulations. That is congratulate that I just got chilled. 538 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 539 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: I that is amazing. That is amazing. Wow, So you 540 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: could also you can start suing people now, are just 541 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: defending the lawsuits. 542 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: Don't forget. I went through four years of little there 543 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: you go Trump, Thank God, I want but it was scary. 544 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: So now I'm equipped to defend myself. 545 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my goodness. 546 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's got to feel pretty good. Has anything 547 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: done so everyone seems so shocked by all of these 548 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: decisions that Trump is making, from the tariffs to the 549 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: cleaning house to Elon Musk YadA, YadA, YadA, Has anything 550 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: he's done that you've read about? Surprised you surprised. 551 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: Me, no, but disappointed me absolutely? Yes. I think that 552 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: the country deserves a leader that keeps this nation's fabric, 553 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: the fabric of this nation. Our democracy is really built 554 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: on some of the constitutional principles that we hold near 555 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: and dear. So any dismantling of those things, not only 556 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: is it is disappointing, but it also should concerns every 557 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: American in this country. Due processes at the very core 558 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: of who we are. And so to see that disregarded, 559 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: it's concerning. 560 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Is it policies more so than the other stuff? 561 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: Right? 562 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: If he was just a matter of not going after 563 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: people in the Justice Department, not going after a you know, 564 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: revenge presidency, as you say, is it more so if 565 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: he just stuck to his policies? Do you think most 566 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: people would have issue with that? And even you take 567 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of issue with that. It really is the 568 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: extra curriculars, the stuff we're not used to seeing when 569 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: we're president, with whether it's DEI or firing everybody or 570 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: having elon And it's the extra stuff or is it 571 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: policies as well? 572 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: For you? You know, I think what we're seeing is 573 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: a nation that is going through a transformation, and I 574 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: think that every one of us need to have a 575 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: say as to how this nation evolves. Right, And so 576 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: when you talk about the other stuff. The other stuff 577 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: really comes down to who we want to be moving 578 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: into this next chapter as a country. I mean, do 579 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: we want to be a country that is divided or 580 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: do we want to be a country it still stands 581 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: on the ideals that you can really truly live the 582 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: American dream. A lot of what people are watching right 583 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: now is the complete opposite of that. And so that's 584 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: why I've had to just keep my head in my 585 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: books and not get caught up into just every single day. 586 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: There's a new headline every single day, there's a new 587 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: executive order, every single day, there's new outrage and concerno, 588 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: and I have to protect my peace, and so I've 589 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: kind of disengaged from all of the madness just to 590 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: protect my peace. And I encourage you to protect your 591 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: piece ups and downs, you know what I mean. You 592 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: have to protect your peace in the midst of all 593 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: of this chaos. 594 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: I'm curious Omroussa, because you obviously know him in a 595 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: way that none of us do. What do you think 596 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: his motivation is with all of this? Do you think 597 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: it is to make America great again? Why is he 598 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: doing what he's doing? 599 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: Are you asking me Amy to go into the mind 600 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. 601 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know him better than anyone. 602 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 3: I thing that you have ever asked me to want 603 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: to do. I'm sorry I have to draw the line here. 604 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: No in his brain, and I would not even dare 605 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: to try to figure it out. I'm sure that there 606 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: are some great doctors, psychologists, experts who could probably do 607 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: a better dive. I will tell you that when I 608 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: first encountered him way back in two thousand and three, 609 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: when we were first taping The Apprentice, that is not 610 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: the person that I came to know, that I came 611 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: to work with. And so watching this transformation and to 612 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: watch him be supported by so many people who want 613 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 3: to continue to see the chaos that's coming out of there. 614 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 3: At some point, at some point, we have to choose 615 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: ourselves and our peas and our sanity over what we're 616 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: watching happen inside the Beltway. 617 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: Remember the last you remember, the last time you talked 618 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: to him, or even if not that, I mean we 619 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: all end up in some circles. Have you bumped him 620 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: to him anywhere? 621 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: Have you even tried to read my book? 622 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: Yes, she actually reminded me of that passage phone call. 623 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, now, she has a recorded phone call 624 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: as redulous to see if you had had. I poured 625 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 3: my heart into the book into Unhinged, because at the 626 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: time that I wrote it, I wanted to warn people 627 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: as to what I observed, right. I wanted them to 628 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: know how decisions were being made that impacted your lives. 629 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: I wanted people to know that if he did get 630 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: re elected, this is what you would get. I then, 631 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: throughout the summer of last year, try to spread the 632 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: word about why Kama Harris would be a better choice. 633 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: Right I was campaigning, I used my platform as much 634 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: as I possibly could. And so now we have this 635 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 3: outcome and people are going through the type of pain 636 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: and angst that they have gotten with this administration, and 637 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 3: it's hard for me to watch. It's hard for me 638 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: to watch people suffer. It's really hard for me to 639 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: even imagine that we have. We have not even reached 640 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: the first one hundred days TJ. We haven't made it 641 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: to the one hundred day mark yet. So I can't 642 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 3: really inform folks as to what to expect in the 643 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: future because this is not the person that I met 644 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: twenty years ago. It's not even person that I met 645 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: twenty years ago. So I can't even draw on those 646 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 3: experiences that I had with them, because this is this 647 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: is something that I've never seen before. Have you you've 648 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: been coverment politics longer than me. Have you two seen 649 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: anything like this. 650 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: I have never seen anyone do exactly what they say 651 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: they're going to do and then people be surprised by it. Right, 652 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: This wasn't just scary. Stop. He said what he was 653 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: going to do, so the only surprise is that he 654 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: did it. So and I heard you talk about it 655 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: as well. He said it. You warned folks, and maybe 656 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: they didn't like the messenger, but you warned folks. When 657 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: he says this. 658 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 3: Take him at his word. He's saying it. They're like, 659 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: he really do this. I'm like, take Donald Trump at 660 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 3: his word. If he says he's going to get rid 661 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: of the Department of Education, he's going to get rid 662 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 3: of the Department of Education. If he says he's going 663 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 3: to fire all the heads of the military of this 664 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: that he's going to do it, take him at his word. 665 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 3: That should be my next book. 666 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and police people need to be reminded. You said 667 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: all this on the record before he was inaugurated January 668 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: twenty last year. 669 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 2: Yes, right, And TJ actually showed that to me this morning. 670 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: He said, look at this. Alma Rosa called it. I said, wait, 671 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 2: when did she post that? He said in November, And 672 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 2: like to the letter, you predicted everything that's happened in 673 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 2: the last few months that everyone is so shocked by. 674 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 2: You literally warned them. It's kind of crazy. If you 675 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: go back and look it up, you nailed it. I mean, 676 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: I know no one wants to like be You don't 677 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: want to say I told you so, but you kind 678 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: of told us so well. 679 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 3: I think the result for me is just I had 680 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 3: a girlfriend who's worked at the Department of Justice for 681 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: at least twenty three years or is very near to retiring, 682 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 3: and was dismissed for cause saying that she didn't perform 683 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 3: and all of her performance reviews were you know, outstanding. 684 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 3: And to watch her now and try to figure out 685 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: what she's going to do and scrambling, you know, to 686 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 3: pay her child's tuition or to you know, make ends 687 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: meet after she served this country for so very long, 688 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 3: that is very hard for me. So no, I would 689 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: never say that like, oh, I told you know. These 690 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 3: are the things that I share with you because of 691 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 3: how much it's impacting people very close to me and 692 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 3: even people I don't know. I've watched a press conference 693 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: about farmers. You know, these these farmers who are begging 694 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 3: for release, and they begging for help, you know, and 695 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: they're not getting a relief that they deserve, or veterans 696 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: who are suffering. So, I mean, I don't know. Like 697 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 3: I said, I just hope that we can find a 698 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 3: way as a nation to come together to make sure 699 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 3: that we hold on to the core of who we 700 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: are right and that we do not allow this to 701 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 3: divide us in a way that we can never recover from. 702 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: Very very well said, we can't wait to see what 703 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: you do with this law degree. That is a really 704 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: fun and exciting or in that bathroom or in that bathroom, 705 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: we want to get to that episode. 706 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, you went from the show is fun? Eat it 707 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: some fun? After you know, three years in law school, 708 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 3: I wanted to do something fun. And the relationships that I. 709 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: Who's calling is as your husband, I'd like to talk 710 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: to him. 711 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 3: Oh no, let me tell you something by the husband lotto. 712 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 3: He's so no, he really is. And I mean I 713 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 3: think you can attest it when you find this type 714 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: of love. You hold on to it, you fight for it, 715 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 3: you protect it. It's worth fighting for. Honey, You're on life. 716 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 3: Forgive me for doing this. Say hi to TJ and Amy? 717 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 3: Did you say? 718 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 2: He's like, what is happening right now? 719 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 3: Well, listen, whenever my husband calls, I take it, but 720 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 3: I want him to say hi to you. 721 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: Do that. Take that call. We will let you know. 722 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: Don't don't go right back, all right, you're back. Okay. 723 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: It's actually that's a really cool thing. Every time my 724 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: husband calls, no matter where I am, no matter what 725 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing, I take his call. That's very sweet. I 726 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: love hearing her say that. Now, a Morosa, thank you 727 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: so much for I mean, we covered the gamut of topics, 728 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 2: but who better to do it with than you. You 729 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 2: have done so much, been somebody places has You've earned 730 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 2: so much wisdom through all of these experiences that we're 731 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: even taking notes from. So thank you, thank you, thank you, 732 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 2: thank you for sharing all of that with us and 733 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 2: your time. And we want to make sure you get 734 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: back to your hobby soon, so we'll let you go. 735 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: But thank you, Morosa. 736 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 3: Y'all look happy and that makes me happy. 737 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: I love love, Oh, thank you so much for that 738 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: a morosa. I'm going to do better. We haven't talked 739 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: in a while, I haven't seen you in a while, 740 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: but I promise that's not going to continue. I've learned 741 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: a lot of lessons and when people are on your mind, 742 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: you always reach out. 743 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 3: So we'll get a mail. You guys get to meet 744 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 3: my husband and I wish you well and congratulations on 745 00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 3: this amazing podcast. 746 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to us the Alaship. We will 747 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: see you later, all right, weleon co Abode