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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings.

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Speaker 3: We are a sibling, Railvalry No, no, sibling, raval You

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Speaker 3: don't do that with your mouth, revely.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: What a day.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a good one. This guest, I amn't

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Speaker 2: getting the guest yet, but it's just he's one of

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Speaker 2: my great, great, great friends. He's been on many of

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Speaker 2: my podcasts because I used to have like a thousand

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Speaker 2: of them. I've paired it down. He's been on with

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Speaker 2: his brother, he's been on with his ex girlfriend who's

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Speaker 2: no longer his girlfriend. And now this dude is going

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Speaker 2: to come on solo with me. And his name is

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Speaker 2: Tay Diggs. And we met doing a movie and we

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Speaker 2: went out that night and partied and had so much

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Speaker 2: fun and it was an immediate connection. And this man

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Speaker 2: has been a part of my life for over twenty

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Speaker 2: years and I love him a lot. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get into stuff, but before we bring him in, he's

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Speaker 2: in the waiting Room'm gonna make that motherfucker wait for

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Speaker 2: a second while I do my intro real quick, big fishermen.

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Speaker 2: I have a boat. There's a big bluefin tuna that

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Speaker 2: are off the coast of southern California, and I finally

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Speaker 2: got one. I hooked land at a nice, big, eighty

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Speaker 2: pound bluefin tuna that after I speak to Tay Diggs,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually going to start the filet process. I know

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Speaker 2: none of you who are listening to this give a shit,

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Speaker 2: but I don't hair because I am expressing what makes

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Speaker 2: me happy, and that is landing a bluefin tuna in

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Speaker 2: southern California on my boat to make Toro an incredible

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Speaker 2: bluefin sushi. I just had to share that with everyone.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, things are good. Lost six seven pounds

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Speaker 2: heavy pilates kick right now. You know, I've got a

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Speaker 2: ton of energy and I just need a job. I

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Speaker 2: need an acting gig or maybe I'm gonna quit. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I fucking quit acting. I'm gonna quit acting, all right,

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Speaker 2: I'm that No, Brentayan, I can't even believe this is happening.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't because the strangest part about all of

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Speaker 2: this is that you and I are best of friends,

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Speaker 2: even though we don't talk very often. Although in the

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Speaker 2: last six or seven months we have. Yeah, lately it's

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Speaker 2: been sort of you know, it's been better. But you

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Speaker 2: would think that if you were coming on my podcast,

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Speaker 2: we would have had some sort of a conversation about

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Speaker 2: you actually coming on. When it's literally just gone through

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Speaker 2: the producers. It's like, oh, Tay Diggs wants to come on.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, cool, and then that's it. Now

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Speaker 2: you're just here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the business, la and we're we're at that level.

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Speaker 2: Bit, it's the business. By the way, how are you

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Speaker 2: are you good?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, man, Yeah, I'm very excited. Walker's fifteen and

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Speaker 1: he's going through changes and hoop and hoops and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a good time.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, isn't it? It is crazy? Man. As

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Speaker 2: your kids get older, you kind of have to transition

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Speaker 2: with your children. You start parenting them a different way.

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Speaker 2: I remember there was a moment with Wilder, you know,

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Speaker 2: who's my oldest, where I was like, oh shit, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute. I have to take a moment and switch

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Speaker 2: it up a little bit. He's no longer a kid,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, He's turning into a young

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Speaker 2: man and I need to, you know, sort of alter

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Speaker 2: the way that I talk to him, that I deal

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Speaker 2: with him right. And it's all brand new territory for

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Speaker 2: us too, you know what I mean, we don't know

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Speaker 2: what the hell we're doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told you this before, but

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Speaker 1: I still majorly trip out at the fact that you

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Speaker 1: have a family. You always say that I have told

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Speaker 1: you before, Because you have, you haven't like, you haven't

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Speaker 1: changed who you are. If you know the people they're

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Speaker 1: one way and they have kids and then they act

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Speaker 1: completely different, you are the same person and I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine what that person is like as a father. Like

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Speaker 1: h I think your kids are really lucky, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really proud of you. Man. I love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. No, I mean I get you know. My

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Speaker 2: sister does it differently. She always looks at me like

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Speaker 2: I'm crazy. The proof is always in the pudding. If

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Speaker 2: my kids were disasters that I take the blame for,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I just have always done

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Speaker 2: it a little bit differently. I've never changed who I

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Speaker 2: was to become a parent quote unquote. For my kids,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be me and I'm going to be a

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Speaker 2: great parent. But I'll drink in front of them. I

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Speaker 2: used to smoke cigarette, smoke cigarettes in front of them,

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Speaker 2: I curse. I'm gonna do who I am and I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to hide anything from you. I think that's bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think it's cool because if if

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Speaker 1: your daughter, if she is a slipper, you're good. If

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Speaker 1: your fine with it. She has up on the pool.

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Speaker 2: Mmm mm hmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm don't know. Sorry, No, I mean

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Speaker 2: as long as Walker's throwing ones, I think will be okay.

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Speaker 1: No, I think your way is the best way because

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Speaker 1: you're being hate when people talk like this, But when

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Speaker 1: you're being authentic to you, I think only good things

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Speaker 1: can happen kids when you're being fake and phony.

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Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, but you operate seemingly the same way

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Speaker 2: when I talk to you and in your kids, your

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Speaker 2: kids in the car, even with his friends, you're singing,

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Speaker 2: You're doing weird shit. You and I are not this

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Speaker 2: similar in are insanity.

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Speaker 1: I'm realizing my older years, I have major anxiety, like

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Speaker 1: and I'm able to put a name to it. And

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm amazed that I'm functioning. Like when I said,

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Speaker 1: think of all the things that my behavior and my

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Speaker 1: feelings all throughout the day. Yeah, it's like a litany.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, and I'm well, give me an example, because you

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Speaker 2: you know, like again you know me. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: this forever. I mean in my twenties actually, speaking of

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Speaker 2: strip clubs, you know, I was literally going into Crazy

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Speaker 2: Girls when I had my first panic attack. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a correlation there. I think there

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Speaker 2: probably is, but I was my friend John was walking

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Speaker 2: was going to die in front of Crazy Girls, and

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Speaker 2: and the bouncer was like like yo, bro, like you okay,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know, I can't breathe. And

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Speaker 2: vodka tonic. I remember, and sitting at the stage where

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Speaker 2: these girls are dancing, I'm just wondering if I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: make it or not.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: And then at Boom that started off my ship. I've

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Speaker 2: been on the draw. I'm Alexipro and you know, just

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Speaker 2: trying to get through my anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that ship club experience I had the exact opposite

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Speaker 1: this is home.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like I don't need Lexapro, I just need LEXI

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Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, but for real though, like, how does your

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Speaker 2: anxiety manifest itself and is it stronger in certain situations?

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Speaker 1: It's uh, yes, it's stronger in certain situations. But if

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Speaker 1: I'm not on the stuff that I'm on, Like right now,

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Speaker 1: I am microdose mushrooms and that does a lot. That

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Speaker 1: does a lot. When I'm not on that, everything is

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Speaker 1: a little bit worse. But just even when I am

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Speaker 2: What what give me?

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Speaker 1: Give me?

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Speaker 2: Like what does that river look like?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Am I am my good dad? Am I gonna work

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Speaker 2: ever again? You know?

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Speaker 1: No, it's little little things. It's any things like if

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Speaker 1: I as I'm doing the dish, it you know I'll

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Speaker 1: be getting okay. Okay, So in the mornings, I'll wake

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Speaker 1: I need to let the two dogs out. I just

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Speaker 1: started making my bed because all these Instagram posts say

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Speaker 1: if you make your bed and your life is going

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Speaker 1: to be better. Got to make Walker extra eggs because

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Speaker 1: he's trying to gain weight. All of these things. It's

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Speaker 1: like there are a hundred things that hit my head

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Speaker 1: before I do them, and they are regarding those things.

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Speaker 1: So as I'm making the bed, I can see the

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Speaker 1: have and I have like major emotional reactions to you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean making the bed. Yeah, what's going

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Speaker 1: on with my life? Fuck? I need you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean before you ah, I would you know what

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll walk by there. It's it's it's fucking tiring.

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Speaker 1: I'm high. I'm high functioning. I try not to use

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Speaker 1: it as a cretch, but mm hmmm. I give myself.

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Speaker 1: I give myself credit, you know what I mean. Talking

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Speaker 1: to somebody, I'm taking in every facial movement they smell

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Speaker 1: mm hmm. And the way that you're saying mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I know you, but I'm wondering if you're just literally

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Speaker 1: if you're just saying mm hmmm because you think you're

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. No, no, no, no, By the way, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is this is who. This is who I've known

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Speaker 2: for twenty years. You've always been like this, this is

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Speaker 2: your nature right right.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know it was a thing. I thought that.

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Speaker 1: I thought like everybody was like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not dissimilar to that. I just don't It doesn't

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Speaker 2: move into a negative space. I just an observant person.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why you and I connected so well,

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Speaker 2: is we both are observant. We look at the sort

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Speaker 2: it down. You know, we're just curious. We're curiosity. But

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Speaker 2: I don't let it hurt me or affect me, you know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that the bad thing sounds like a

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Speaker 2: little like ocd isshu.

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Speaker 1: But there's that I was leaving the leaving the apartment. No,

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Speaker 1: it was like forty five minutes before she left the

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Speaker 1: apartment and I was singing something that happened, like getting

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Speaker 1: some peanut butter entirely. Forty five minutes later, she left

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Speaker 1: the building, was waiting for the elevator. Elevator. She could

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Speaker 1: still hear me singing, you know, making Peter. She was like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Sah? And I didn't know there was

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Speaker 1: you know, she was kind of you know, frustrated, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I blamed it on her then, but now

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Speaker 1: I realized it's it's I got I got something. I

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Speaker 2: How do you quiet that or do you need to

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Speaker 2: quiet that? Or is it just an acceptance of who

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Speaker 2: I know you don't want to You don't want to

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00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: put you don't want to put something out there that

433
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: you are even even a scoche concern whether it's funny

434
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: or not. Like, I'll never post anything that I don't

435
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: believe is really funny. If even if there's a moment

436
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: where I'm like, wait a minute, I won't do it.

437
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: I won't even think twice, I'm like it's gone.

438
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: The weird thing about that is because I've done that,

439
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: but it was contingent upon my mood at the time.

440
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

441
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: That I hate because once that mood passes, they like,

442
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: oh that's really not as funny as I thought. Yeah,

443
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: But when I did it, I thought it was hilarious.

444
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: That's part of it.

445
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: How is it raising a dude as a single parent,

446
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: as a single dad?

447
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: You know?

448
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: I mean, do you know no different?

449
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: Right?

450
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: Because this is just what you've been doing. But are

451
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: there pros to it? And are there cons to it?

452
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: Are there things that you you know, wish you had

453
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: for him that you couldn't give him.

454
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I feel like I'm getting away with

455
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: so much I feel like I feel like I'm not

456
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: doing it the way it's supposed to be done. I

457
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm cheating. I got lucky, like Walker's mother

458
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: is amazing, So I'm not raised. I don't. I don't

459
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: consider myself like a dad. It's cool to say, and

460
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: I get the credit, but she is right there. She

461
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: does everything, got it everything, and I can't think about

462
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: it for too long or else I such to feel guilty.

463
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: But you know, it worked, like all the all the

464
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: administrative bullshit, that right, Yeah, and then.

465
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: The stuff that I need he'll send me, you know

466
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, that's the that's the major part

467
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: of it. That's he's really.

468
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: You just play and have a good time and be

469
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: like the best dad ever. Like dad is cool.

470
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: Walker's awesome, you know what I mean. He's cool. We

471
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: have the same sense of humor. He plays sports. We

472
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: watch the movie. It's It's a It's a cakewalk. There

473
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: have been times, you know, when it's been difficult, but

474
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm easy on myself. I try to be as honest

475
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: as I can and I try to listen, you know

476
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, And that seems to be working. He

477
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: he He's so easy. Yeah, So easy. So I really

478
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: feel like God or the universe somebody knew me and

479
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well, we need to give this guy

480
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: a break because he the way he is, he could

481
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: not he's he did not cut out to be a parent.

482
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: But my childhood had a stepfather that like beat us

483
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know how I'm doing it.

484
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: So I feel like someone is guid is guiding me

485
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: and just you know, really helped me out.

486
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to repeat those patterns, which my dad

487
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: did because his dad bailed on him, and my dad

488
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: sort of didn't have much of a choice. He didn't

489
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: have therapy, he was the fifties, He didn't have any

490
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: sort of self awareness or was given any sort of

491
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: guidance as to how to be a dad. It can

492
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: only sort of not be by example or lack of example,

493
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: and that's what happened with him and us. Or you

494
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: can analyze your situation and never want to be that

495
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: person and rail against it, you know, And so that's

496
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: what I did, So you know, I would. You can

497
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: give credit to the universe or God or whatever the

498
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: hell you believe in, but you also have to give

499
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: credit to yourself. You know what I'm saying, like, you're

500
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: the one who made the choice. You have free will,

501
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: even if it's unconscious, you know, even if it's just

502
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: something that's a part of you thinking, I'm not this

503
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: is not the kind of fucking dad that I want

504
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: to be to my son.

505
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I just like for me, it's yes, I

506
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: hear you. Where I do make the choices are when

507
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: I want to lecture him or you know, just we

508
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: like to talk, you know what I mean to hear

509
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: myself talk. I think a lot of what I say

510
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: is is right. And but with Walker, I'm constantly monitoring,

511
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: monitoring myself and forcing myself to just listen and not

512
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: make it about me and I and I give myself

513
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: credit for that because it's it's hard mm hmmm, because

514
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: I've I've been there, I've done that, and I know,

515
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: but his experience is completely different, and I want him

516
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: to to experience that, you know, without being affected by

517
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: my past and my history. You know what I'm saying.

518
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: I think really important for kids to go through these

519
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: experiences themselves and and figure figure shit out. And that

520
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: is not me. I'm like, I have all the answers,

521
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, and and I do with other people still,

522
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: but with Walker, you know, as you said, it's a

523
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: it's a choice.

524
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we think we have all the answers. My thing

525
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: is with Wilder kids, it's like, I was like, do

526
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: you guys, do you guys fucking get how cool I was?

527
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: I mean, do you not understand that? Like you're looking

528
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: at me like I'm an old man, and yeah I'm

529
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: forty eight, I'm looking older. Okay, but I was the

530
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: ship I was. I was way cooler than you guys

531
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: who were And they're like, Dad, You're not cool. You

532
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: were not cool. You don't get it. I'm like, I

533
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: get it.

534
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I want to tell them that because.

535
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: Myself, Yeah, I'm like I know what the fuck I'm

536
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: talking about. And they're like, you don't get it. I'm like, well,

537
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: you've you've got to listen to me. You've got to

538
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: listen to me. You need to trust me. And they're like, whatever, Dad,

539
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: you're stupid.

540
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's humbling. Yeah. Walker teaches me every single.

541
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: Day, does he?

542
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Oh?

543
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh yes, that's great.

544
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

545
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Somebody's looking down on me and just hooking me up

546
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: because I got a bunch of freebies and and I'm

547
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: very aware of it. And you know, you could easily

548
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: go down a road of like, you know, guilt and

549
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: shame and I should be doing more. And you know,

550
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: compare comparing yourself to other parents.

551
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: That that that's the worst thing.

552
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's much easier to not you know

553
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, like going the opposite direction, and.

554
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Well that that's that's how I am not as a parent.

555
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Like honestly, as a parent, I like the way that

556
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: I do it, you know what I mean.

557
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: But but the right way, you know what I mean? Yeah,

558
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: feels good to me.

559
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: It feels good to me, and I don't care if

560
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: it's the right way or I don't think. I don't

561
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: believe there is a right way in a wrong way

562
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: that I don't think that there is. I mean, I

563
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: think there's wrong ways. Because when you're fucking up your children. Yes,

564
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: by the way, I've said this a million times, it's

565
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: not about if you fuck up your children, it's about

566
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: to what degree it's going to happen. You're fucking them

567
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: up one way or another, you know what I mean?

568
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Little things. Yeah, I think it's supposed to happen. I

569
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 2: really believe it. Yeah, that builds resilience, it builds character.

570
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's them individuating, saying, oh, dad's telling me this,

571
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: but he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

572
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: And then they either succeed or fail and say Dad

573
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: was right or Dad was wrong, you know what I mean?

574
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Like yep.

575
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: And it's about giving them that freedom too. The other

576
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: thing is we are just living in this time where

577
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: we are coddling the shit out of our kids, not

578
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: letting him do things, not letting him individuate and get

579
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: into trouble or get into a bad situation where they

580
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: got to get themselves out of because we're so fear

581
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: based given technology and Instagram and TikTok in the news,

582
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: everything everything we click on is fear based or sex based,

583
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: and so now there's these it's just instilled some much

584
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: fear where it's like, no, let them fucking go. Let

585
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: them walk around and walk into Westwood and walk over here,

586
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: and you know, go because they need it.

587
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, they walker didn't know how to I

588
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: want to say microwave, but it was even it was

589
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: even more simple than that. A comb. He didn't know

590
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: there was a small comb, uh, really thin too.

591
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh what it was? No, dude,

592
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I just saw this, this clip of this younger generation

593
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: being shown a VHS tape and they're like what is

594
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: this and they're like, ah, I don't know, literally, I

595
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: didn't know what the fuck it was was. We're getting

596
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: into that time now where it's great.

597
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Walker loves to hear the stories of of of your isn't.

598
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: This Yeah, yeah, like Yester your.

599
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Some of the time that you rode your sledge down

600
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: and the corner store and got them for five cents.

601
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: Dad, like put a pipe in. You're like, sit down, Sun. Well,

602
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: the year was nineteen eighty three.

603
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: We went through a stage where he was like, Dad,

604
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. It is when he was like eight

605
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: or nine, out of nowhere. We'd been science silence and

606
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: it sing Dad, did you stop? Did you? Step father

607
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: really hit you? And I'd be like, yeah, he took

608
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: this belt and he can't fathom that. Yeah, Like he

609
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: comes from a world where you know, he's in a

610
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: world where it and I love that, love that because

611
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: in my world, if you didn't get spanked then but

612
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: then we made fun of you and beat we got beats,

613
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

614
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, My mine's the opposite. My kids

615
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: are like, Dad, tell me about that story. You're on

616
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: that three hundred foot yacht in Majorca with Ron Meyer

617
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: and Michael Ovitz.

618
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, take them on all that stuff.

619
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: And he's so over it, except it was this one.

620
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: There was one time when he was younger, we were

621
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: We're in first class and he's sitting on the on

622
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the seat watching all the people go by, and he goes, Dad,

623
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: where are they going second class?

624
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh my god, second class?

625
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this. So some people

626
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: would say, sometimes I wonder if Walker is is too

627
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: too soft. You know, he's a basketball player, and you know,

628
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: really little things can kind of unnerve him. And there

629
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: are times when I want to say, you're gonna have

630
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: to toughen up. Is the world out there is is tough.

631
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: But then there's another side of me, like spoiling. Like

632
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: he's very aware he doesn't want to be spoiled. I

633
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: like to spoil. I like to buy himself.

634
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah I get that.

635
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah me too. I mean and for me, I'm at

636
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: a point in my career where I can go somewhere

637
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: not look at the price and get it, and then

638
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: that subfishally that still makes me feel good. So I

639
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: extend that to Walker. And you know, sometimes people will

640
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: make fun of me and say, you know, you better

641
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: watch yourself, but I want to know your thoughts. I

642
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: believe that if it's coming from a good place and

643
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: you're teaching your child, you know how to be a

644
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: responsible human being in like through example, I don't have

645
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: to worry about spoiling him like he so far, he

646
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: he has nice things, but he gets that not everybody

647
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: has them. Yeah, and it doesn't affect his behavior.

648
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: Then he's not spoiled. It's funny you even asked me

649
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: this question because I've talked about this before, not not

650
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but just in general. I don't believe

651
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: the definition of spoiled is is getting is getting a

652
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: lot of things. It's about the context understanding. Like you

653
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: were saying, like like, I'm gonna buy you cool shit

654
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: because I fucking love you. And as long as you

655
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: don't expect that, as long as this isn't sort of

656
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: something that you think is the norm, and I'm always

657
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: going to do this, and when you don't get it,

658
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: you're gonna throw some sort of a bullshit fit right,

659
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean right then you're not spoiling your kids.

660
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: You are giving You're giving them stuff, gifts that you

661
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: want to give them, and they understand not to take

662
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: it for granted. And this isn't necessarily the real world,

663
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: you know. But I love you and you know, and

664
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: we're fortunate, you know, we're fortunate, and this is this

665
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: is that you know for sure. But at the same time,

666
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: now that my kids are getting older, you know, they

667
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: have to work for their stuff.

668
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: You know.

669
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: Wilder had a job, you know, last year, he was

670
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 2: working in retail. And I got them older, I got

671
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: them My boys are own credit cards to build credit

672
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: at a young age, you know what I mean. So

673
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: they both they both have their credit cards and they

674
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: have a limit and it's not a it's not a

675
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: high limit at all per month, and that is their card.

676
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: Huh. Good for you.

677
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is their card to buy the things

678
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: that they want to buy. The minute that it they

679
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: get through that and there's no longer any money in it,

680
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: you're dead. Don't come ask me for fucking money. Learn

681
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: to budget.

682
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: You know.

683
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: They have their apps. They know how to look at

684
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: the apps and see what they're spending obviously, like school lunches,

685
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: I'll pay for or and you know, stuff like that.

686
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: But my kids love to order fucking Postmates. Where I'm cooking,

687
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: I've got I've got food in the fridge. I'm like,

688
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: that's on your thing. You can order Postmates, but that's

689
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: goes to your budget. I'm not paying for that shit.

690
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: You know. Let me ask you this, whose idea was

691
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: that with the critic A mine? You know, mine?

692
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: Because I like that.

693
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: That would not have like, that's a little bit off,

694
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: Like I would not have thought of that. I need

695
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: someone else to tell me things like that, you know

696
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: what I mean?

697
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean for me, it was just about responsibility.

698
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm tired of spending money on all of your bullshit.

699
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: So here you go. You're going to have a budget

700
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: and that's it. And again you can start building their

701
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: credit at the age of fucking thirteen, which is good,

702
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: Which is good, you know.

703
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Adina did it with Walker. You know, you'll

704
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: come in the house with this this new stuff and

705
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: new ideas or new ways of doing things, and oh

706
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: should I have thought of that? Well, Venus got it, so.

707
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but but how much I mean you give

708
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: him everything, dude, you know what I mean. You are

709
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: his male figure in his life. Holy shit, give him

710
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: lots of Jordan's sneakers. Yeah, no, yeah, we have, we have.

711
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: We have really great talks. We have really great talks,

712
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: and he's very insightful and and uh and that that

713
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: part is fun, Yeah, really really great discussions.

714
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll ever get married again? Uh?

715
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Someone? Maybe? Maybe?

716
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Is that something you're open to?

717
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: And I'm also open to having another child.

718
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: I think with the right person, that could be really fun.

720
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: But it also feels really great to not. I don't

721
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: maybe not, and I'm cool with yeah.

722
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: But you're single right now, right.

723
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm very very single, and I go through stages where

724
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, I feel like I

725
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: need to have a girlfriend, I should have a girlfriend,

726
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: And then I'll go through a point in time where

727
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is awesome. I don't I don't have

728
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: any I don't have anybody to answer to arguments, you

729
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

730
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: The closest, Yeah, fifteen dating, finding love. There's a lot

731
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: of baggage, accepting kids, accepting the situation that she might

732
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: be in that you're in. You know, it's a strange

733
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: game at your age, you know what I mean, especially

734
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: because I know you're you have so much love and

735
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: you're a lover. You don't want to fucking die alone.

736
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: You know, you want to grow old with someone. You

737
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: want to have that companionship. I don't know. Maybe I'm

738
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: trying to you're going to die alone.

739
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: Well, man, I won't die aloge. I'm trying to by

740
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: somebody else, strip or somebody. I'll have somebody for me,

741
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It might be a great friend.

742
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, right, You know what I'm saying.

743
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: They like your hospice is at Crazy Girls, I'll just

744
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: want you in there.

745
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I'll be okay with that.

746
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: By the way, I might put that into a show

747
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: or some show I'm doing, or a guy does hospice

748
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: at a strip club.

749
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Like the other day, Like I'll go through stages where like, Oh,

750
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: I did this movie called Forever, where you know, I

751
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: played a member of a couple very healthy relationships. And

752
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: as I was.

753
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: Playing what's this what movie?

754
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: This movie called Forever was on Lifetime with Megan Good?

755
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Oh, this is what you just did? You produced it too,

756
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: very proud of it. Good for you. Dude, how was that?

757
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: Very proud of it. She's really great. But while I

758
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: was playing this character, it made me realize, it made

759
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: me remember the good parts of being in a relationship

760
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: mm hmm, acting and she's wonderful. So I went through

761
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: a stage where I was like, oh, I miss that,

762
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: I missed going grocery shoping, going to the movies and

763
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: walking to and then actually, if I'm being honest, like

764
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to pursuing this girl, she ghosted me

765
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: on texts, and then I got really negative. And then

766
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I was like, oh, how great

767
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: would it be to go on a trip and invite

768
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: seven beautiful women with you know, two of them? And

769
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's not that's cool. There's there's

770
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: that society as well. Yeah, of course, or just uh,

771
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, driving with Walker and just just us.

772
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: So I go through different different stages and I'm just

774
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: trying to be easy on myself exactly, you know what

775
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, because I grew up the opposite. I grew

776
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: up everything is supposed to be a specific way, and

777
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: I tried that and it didn't work out.

778
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: What I've always loved about you too is admittedly by

779
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: the way. You know, we've told the story before, but

780
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: we met on a movie a million years ago, my

781
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: new best friend you know where you know, you wasn't Darren.

782
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: You weren't gay, but by what would you call yourself? Oh?

783
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: Eric Cole?

784
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you were that dude?

785
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. In the Eric Cole was

786
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: Oh god, what a movie? What a movie?

787
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: Was?

788
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Want to tays better performances where he really did some

789
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: experimental ship, which we've laughed about forever and ever. Yeah,

790
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: you guys, go do yourself a favor and go watch

791
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: my new best friend rent it watchdays performance he does.

792
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: He's like a crossing one eye with a pigeon towed sheriff.

793
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: It was very bold, bold choices, other accent. He did

794
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: a white man call southern accent.

795
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I thought I was too, I was so, but.

796
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: It was it was it was love. It it was

797
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: love at first sight. It's fucking funny. I were running

798
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: out of time, dude. But I do want to get

799
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this whole fucking p Diddy situation. Not

800
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: that there's thoughts. I mean, it's just no, there there are,

801
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: there are, It's just it's so wild. It's just so

802
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: off putting.

803
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: I felt so naive when I heard all that stuff

804
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: because I was I don't know where I was, but

805
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: all of it blindsided me everything, you know what I mean.

806
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the double edge for me. So

807
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: on one side, I'm like, well, this is great for people

808
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 1: to know that this happens. We can think that life

809
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: is to be lived a certain way. We can think

810
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: of person is a way and they can be the

811
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: exact opposite and get used to that. You know. I

812
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: really he was a hero to me. I loved how

813
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: he you know, he didn't come from much, and he

814
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: started out as a dancer and you know, all the

815
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: things that I wasn't growing up. He was so much

816
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: confidence and then it you know, at a certain arrogance

817
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: that I loved. And then he made you know, black

818
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: being black cool. I mean, I came from a place

819
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: where you know, we had to ask everything, and you know, well,

820
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm black, so of course I'm going to be treated

821
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: like this. And I looked at him and he worked

822
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: like as a bat, you know what I'm saying. So

823
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I really put him on a pedestal. And it was

824
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: disappointing to UH to see some of of what happened.

825
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and I didn't like I didn't

826
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: like that feeling.

827
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 2: M hm, you know if these allegations and the things

828
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: that they're saying are true. And dude, it's just people

829
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: are sick. I mean, there's just it's yeah, they're sick.

830
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: All right, baby, I love you. This was so much

831
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: fun and uh, maybe we should do a daytime talk

832
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 2: show together.

833
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: What do you think? Oh? I love that idea, you

834
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: and me?

835
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, daytime show.

836
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: I like it.

837
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's do it, all right, buddy, I'll bet

838
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: to the family. Yeah you too, brother, Let's hang out soon. No,

839
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: bye bye, all right bye?

840
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: I hate you.

841
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: Ah my man, man take fuck. I love that guy.

842
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: We we uh, we got into a lot of stuff together.

843
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 2: We had a lot, a lot of fun and he's

844
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: just a deep person. He's curious always, like not just

845
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: in this interview, which is so interesting, interviewing your friends,

846
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: like you're really good friends. It was natural and it

847
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: worked out well, But you know, what are you going

848
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: to talk about? We just got into philosophies. I feel

849
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: like he wanted to. I feel like he wanted to,

850
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 2: you know, get into the deeper part of things, which

851
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: is totally who he is and I love him for it.

852
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: I love that dude's vulnerability. I love his curiosity. I

853
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: love his not trying to be too cool. He's just

854
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: dope anyway. I love everyone, Love you guys. Thanks Piece,