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I really struggled with it. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.080 The more I remembered, the weirder it got. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.039 Something has physically happened to me, like in an interview 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.479 like this half an hour ago. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:08.040 It turned on. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:10.319 What do you mean. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:18.080 You've been talking to it ever since? It's working now 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:20.760 right now. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:28.399 You can see it. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.640 You can feel it. Can I feel it? You're not, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:32.360 you can feel it. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:38.440 It's right here, right under my hand, right now. This 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:43.839 is a piece of biomechanical technology, an alien implant. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.120 I'll tell you this story. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.280 Hey guys, real quick. I know it's annoying. I mean, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.720 I hate doing it. 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Closing 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.200 covers of the third guy, Whittley Shreeper says, they're really 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:39.760 out there. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:48.760 He is Whitley Strieber. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.880 There is the book, and it is a continuation of 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.200 his enormous bestseller Communion. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.160 In the late nineteen eighties. I Reeber had a moment 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.840 in pop culture. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:08.600 After I finally realized that this probably was real, something 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.960 that was non human, that was intelligent, started trying to 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.680 challenge it to get through my fear. Over a period 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.480 of months, I formed a relationship with them that I 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.880 believe could be a template, almost almost as if they 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.320 have one end of a phone and we've had two wires. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.640 How do you know you're not nuts well. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.280 First of all, we were flooded with thousands of letters 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.280 from people who basically wanted to know if I could 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.839 help them explain what had happened to them. And these stories, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:47.600 one after another that had elements to them, unpublished elements 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.560 to them that suggested that this is much more than 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.440 a dream, that there is something happening to people that's 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.200 similar from case to case. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.640 Late night television talk shows, bestsellers. But outside all the 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.320 mainstream success, there were hundreds than thousands of people who 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.160 reached out to him privately, who were saying this happened 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.280 to me too, some details that weren't even public. And 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.000 that's when the question shifts not is Whitley lying, but 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.440 more like, why are so many people describing the same thing? 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.719 What happens next is where Whitley's story gets even harder 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:27.560 to categorize. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.680 About a year later, one of my neighbors came over 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.239 to the house. He shows up and he says, Whitley, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.040 I saw that happen, and I nearly dropped my teeth. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.960 He was a retired state trooper. He said we were 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.400 driving home about two o'clock in the morning on that night, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.760 and he said, I saw what I thought was the 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.400 Goodyear blimp in a field. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:57.880 He said. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.760 I stopped because I thought that us be in trouble 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.640 or it wouldn't be there in the middle of the night. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.200 Got out of the car, struggling through the snow, going 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.080 toward it to try to help them. It was obvious 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.760 to him something's wrong. As he moved toward it, he 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.760 heard screaming, and he began to move faster. In his 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.200 mind it was a blip that had gone down and 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.280 people in it were screaming, so he needed to get 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.960 there to help him. Then lights turned on all over 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.760 it started making a growling noise and coming toward him. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.960 Very quickly panicked, jumped back into his car and drove off. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.640 He said to me, I'm just so embarrassed, ashamed the 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.440 fact that I ran. And I said to him, if 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.359 you tried to help me, god knows what would have 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:59.720 happen to you. Then I knew, I knew this had 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.320 really happened. In my opinion, that was me in there then, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.279 So what he thinks too, It was the right time 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:08.320 and the right night. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.920 Everything. Many people have read your book. You caught my attention. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.320 Okay, how often do these people visit you? 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.559 I have been with them a couple of times. They're real, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.640 and I was not unconscious or in an altered state 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:42.080 of mind. One night, this very peculiar event took place. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:42.960 Yeah, you were visiting. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.760 It was in May night in nineteen eighty nine. It 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.159 was about eleven o'clock at night, and had just turned 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.640 in and I was going to sleep. Were open because 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.440 it was warm, and I heard crunching up gravel in 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:10.360 the driveway. I thought, very bad news. It was clearly 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.160 a vehicle of some kind. Plus they had no car 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.560 lights on. I had a shotgun under the bed and 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.800 a pistol in the door beside the bed, plus a 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.040 bank of switches that could turn on floodlights. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:24.320 All around the house. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.360 As I became fully awake, I heard a man's voice say, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.880 condition red. I'm not talking about aliens now, I'm talking 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:41.160 about people. I started to go for the lights. The 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.840 man and woman standing in the doorway of the bed. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:54.440 They looked like people. I was scared to death. Alarm 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.680 system was right beside the door of the bedroom. Led 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.880 was still red. In other words, they hadn't breached the system, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.160 but they were still in the house. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:06.320 They had to have breached it. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.640 Somehow, because you can't get in the house without breaching it. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.600 Forget floodlights. I'm going for the Benelli Riot gun under 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:18.200 the bed. The next thing I know, they pushed me 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.960 over onto my right side. I can't move, can't see. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:29.400 I'm totally helpless, paralyzed. He's pushing the side of my 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.000 head into the pillow again and again like that, and 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.959 the woman's voice is talking very gently. A couple seconds later, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.280 there's a huge flash of light. I jump out of bed. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.520 I grabbed the pistol. I run through the house looking 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:50.080 for a breach in the system. There's nothing. It's all intact. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.120 I think, is this a lucid dream or what happened? 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.600 I go out to the garage. Alarm systems still intact. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:05.440 It's not tripped. So on damn, garage door is wide open, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:07.679 and that's not possible. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.280 The alarm system is still armed and the garage doors 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:17.360 wide open. Sometimes you rationalize that, well, I called the 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.120 alarm man, I said, something screwed up with the alarm system. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.360 My garage door is wide open. I'm looking at it, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.959 and the system's not tripped. He comes over his gus 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.920 meter finds this incredibly powerful magnetic field on the garage 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.560 door that we have no explanation for whatsoever. It's not 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:42.480 his switches, it's just there magnetic field so powerful that 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.280 the door was wide open and the switsch hadn't been tripped. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.720 We're not talking about dreams or sleep paralysis. We're talking 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.160 about a locked house, a homeowner with a firearm, an 0:09:55.200 --> 0:10:01.079 alarm system that never trips, and people, not aliens or ghosts, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:06.040 but other people inside his home. When he says, I'm 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.920 not talking about aliens now, it almost becomes more confusing, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.679 and fear sounds different when it's human. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.520 A few days past and my ear begins to hurt. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.560 His ear would turn red and he felt this little 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.160 bump inside it. The doctor says, it's a cyst. My 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:34.319 ear would turn red. I touched this and I feel 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:34.720 a bump. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.160 My ear would turn red, and I'd hear this noise. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.640 About three or four years later, we moved down to Texas, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:00.560 my home down of San Antonio. Having dinner with some friends. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.920 One of them was a doctor, and I mentioned my ear. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.560 He feels it, and he said, it feels like a 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.880 little sister to me. I can pop it out at 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.640 my office. Come over tomorrow morning. We go to his 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.840 office and we videotape the whole thing. This is what happened. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.600 I didn't take an incision around there. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:34.760 Again, he opens an incision, he sees a white disc. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.360 But this little laugh Whitley did in fact film this. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.800 I wouldn't say it's the best quality ever, but it 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.240 looks like he's actually at the doctor. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.080 When he touches it with his scalpel. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.040 It moved on its own, but it goes. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:54.679 I guess it went on under. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:55.520 But that's the heart. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.720 Aren't just say again? 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.600 Waves actually now, well he's talking it, but it went under. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.240 I mean I got I got a loopis there's some here? 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.640 It goes under the skin down into my ear. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.960 Lobe, like a little tiny white disc. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.360 It's all in the video. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:16.280 It's there. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.800 He got a little corner of it with the scalpel. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.720 Can see the doctor looking at it and describing it 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.360 and seeing it move on its own. The implant is real. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.040 He puts in a stitch and I go home. The 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.720 morning after that, my ear starts burning things in my 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.280 ear lobe. I can feel it, and it moves back 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.120 up here where it. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:49.640 Is to this day. It's still there right now, right now? 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.360 Can you see it. You can see it. You can 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.319 feel it. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.920 No, you can feel it's right here, right under my 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.440 head right now. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.480 Oh yeah, yoh. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.720 Lab technician calls him and says, is this a practical joke? 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.600 He says, no, it came out of a patient's ear. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:20.559 DAB tech said, this is a piece of biomechanical technology. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.880 This is a piece of metal that has cilia on it, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.720 and they're motile, they move. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:27.840 What does that mean? 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.960 Cillia are little hair like things that enabled something to move. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:39.120 That's how it moved down into my ear lobe. Something 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:44.320 has physically happened to me, like in an interview like 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.080 this half an hour ago. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:46.640 It turned on. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:48.560 What do you mean. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.760 You've been talking to it ever since? It's working now 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:57.240 right now. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.880 The whole thing seems like a fever dream. Is Whitley 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.840 just going around life further narrating its fiction, making up 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.760 stories and writing books about it? Maybe did these things 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.000 actually happen to him? And if they didn't, does he 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.240 still believe they did? And what does that mean exactly? 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.360 I'll admit I've gone back and forth a lot. I 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.560 come from true crime. I'm used to looking for some 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:34.040 universal truth, a verdict yes or no. True or false, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.480 no gray area. The thing is, you don't have to 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.400 believe Whitley Straeber for this story to matter, because stories 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.359 like his exist everywhere. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.640 The first thing I like to dispel is a frequent 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.680 misconception that UFOs all limited to this country. Very often 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.560 people ask me, how come I never hear about UFOs 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.720 in other parts of the world. How can we only 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.440 hear about UFOs in America. Well, UFOs now not in 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.680 American phenomenon. They are a worldwide phenomenon. That's one of 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.880 their most dramatic characteristics. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.920 People all across the world describing counters with the same shapes, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:16.000 the same paralysis, the same missing time, the same physical effects, 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.960 different languages, different belief systems, all the same information. And 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.560 when something repeats itself like that across borders, across generations, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.320 across technology gaps, it stops being like folklore and becomes 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:31.280 more like a data set. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.680 It is very international. It's a global phenomenon. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.440 UFOs are not an American problem. They never were. They're 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.360 reported by pilots in South America, tracked on radar in Europe, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.680 documented by militaries in Asia, whispered about in places that 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.800 don't benefit from telling the story at all. The phenomenon 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.200 itself is global. Nick Cook has spent in his career 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.120 in investigating classified aircraft programs. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:10.000 Having investigated classified aircraft programs, the Calvine picture, it's like 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.560 no plane I've ever seen. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.080 The Calvine photo. In nineteen ninety two men were hiking 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.960 near Calvine, Scotland, and took a series of photographs. What 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.800 they captured would later be called the clearest UFO image 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:26.000 ever recorded. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.160 The Calvine photo shows a source of diamond shaped craft 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.200 hovering in Scotland. Quite a remote area near Calvine. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.320 This little corner of central Scotland has become the center 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:41.000 of activity. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.440 It's what's known as a hotspot, an. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.000 Area I where have people claimed to have seen unidentified 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.360 flying objects. The Calvine photograph, which some people have touted 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.280 the world's best photograph of a UFO, it's quite clear. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.640 This photograph could be real. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.560 This good circums actual evidence that says that could be 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:03.720 a genuine UFO. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.960 Since you're only hearing this, if you want to see 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.560 the photo yourself, go to the high Strange Instagram. It's 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.399 just a high strange. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.840 The problem with it is its provenance. Whoever took the 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:23.680 photograph disappeared off the face of the earth. No one 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.159 has been able to find the individuals who actually took 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.359 the photograph, if. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:33.120 They ever existed. There was a diamond shaped craft, stationery, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.159 structured silent, and if this story wasn't strange enough, the 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.240 people who took these photos have never been found. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.360 One of the early investigators of the case, Royal Air 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.760 Force press officer Craig Lindsay, kept one print. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:55.000 Its surfaced later a Ministry of Defense produced another photograph. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.520 There was some kind of trail to this thing. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.080 The story was killed under circumstances which remain murky to 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:05.680 this day. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.679 This is Nick Pope. For years, his job title at 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.480 the UK Ministry of Defense was literally one word. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.440 The Ministry of Defense telephone directory was about two inches thick. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.800 There were very detailed job descriptions, something like coordinating Officer 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:31.359 for updating NATO war books, deep specialist stuff. But with 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:36.600 regard to my job, it just literally said UFOs. So 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.960 it was a little bit of a question mark. Having 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:46.359 seen all six images and having seen the intelligence community analysis, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.400 we all concluded this was a real solid, structured craft 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.919 about seventy five feet a grass and we have no 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.679 idea what it is how it even flies. This is 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.800 pretty extraordinary stuff. Not all of the UFO sightings that 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.399 we get are going to be where the balloons or 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.560 the planet venus. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.600 What I always like to do is look around in 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.000 a sort of geopolitical sense as to what's happening at 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.399 the time. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.920 Nick Cook isn't a UFO investigator. He's an aviation journalist 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.240 who spent years embedded in classified aircraft programs. Part of 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.080 the whole UFO debate is whether some of these things 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:36.520 people are seeing are actually ours new technology, secret technology. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.000 Suspicious thing about it. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:43.080 The Calvine photo was snapped on the eve of Sadam 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.880 Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.440 Iraq invades Kuwait and overthrows its government. Iraq's president, Sadam 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.640 Hussein warned that he would turn Kuwait into a graveyard 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.440 if any foreign country tried to intervene. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.840 I was covering a lot of classified US craft programs, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.760 like the Stealth Fighter, which had been developed in secret 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:09.040 during the nineteen eighties. There was another mythical beast called Aurora. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.320 An Aurora was reputed to have gone really fast, five 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:18.560 times the speed of sound, maybe six mythical because there 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.320 were sightings of it, but never anything officially revealed or admitted. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.600 But there was plenty of technological evidence that this thing 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.800 was built in the black in secret. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.800 Nick Cook had seen stealth programs years before they were public. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.760 He understood sometimes secret tech can hide in plain sight. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.600 Does this explain the Calvine photo. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.800 Aurora just happened that one of its operating bases was 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:53.119 on Scottish airfield called Macrahannish, which is not a million 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:59.119 miles from Calvine. Late eighties, early nineties. A good deal 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.159 of those pro have not seen the light of day. 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.200 I went to interview the boss of the Locked Martin 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:12.480 skunk Works. I sat down and we started talking about 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.480 all the aircraft programs he'd worked on, and he said, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.880 I've worked on fifteen real flying aircraft programs while I've 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:29.400 been here, but I can only talk about twelve of them. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.440 Locked Martin Skunk Works. Their mantra was, if you can 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:38.879 imagine it, we can make it happen. Whatever you dream 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:44.960 up we can do. Where money meets imagination, you get 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:51.880 the most phenomenal innovation breakthroughs now talking of the Aurora 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.800 in the late nineties. I then interviews the head of 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.440 US Air Force Research and Development programs. A guy called 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.040 General George Mulner on the day he retired. On the 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:08.360 record in that interview was black programs, secret stuff. Here 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.320 we were able to talk about secret programs. I could 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.160 ask him anything I wanted. It was like, finally here 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.719 we go. I said to him, so, let's talk about 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.840 whether you might have commissioned a Mark five plus hypersonic 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:27.399 s byplane. And he said, let me tell you a story. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.639 So he goes, what would you do if you were me? 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:36.680 We have a Mark three reconnaissance aircraft in the Blackbird that. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:37.560 We are retiring. 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.399 We have a new generation of spy satellites able to 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.720 deliver real time reconnaissance digitally, which is a first. But 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.640 those satellites aren't quite ready yet. So we have a gap. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:54.679 What would you do? So I said, well, I'd probably 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.959 fill it with an interim capability, something that's just going 0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.840 to do the trick in the short term. 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.240 So it goes go figure. 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:08.400 My inference from his statement is that a few prototypes 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:13.680 of this aircraft were built. It filled the gap, and 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.280 then they got rid of it. If you wanted to 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.040 put reconnaissance on the ground very quickly. Around about the 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:27.199 time Saddam Hussein was invading Kuwait, you might want to 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:33.440 send a very fast spyplane to take reconnaissance imagery. You 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.040 had an air base very close to Calvin in Macrahannish 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.440 where a lot of spooky things were going on. As 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.560 a result of the invasion of Kuwait, the. 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.280 United States has put six warships in the Gulf on 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.680 high alert and another six are on their way. 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.480 The crisis has found the Prime Minister with President Bush 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.800 to coordinate the British and American responses. You might just 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:58.199 want to divert attention away from that with some strange 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:06.080 speculation about a UFO which then subsequently appeared. There are 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.880 a lot of red flags in it. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:14.760 For me, here's the problem with Colbine. The photo exists. 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:20.480 It's a real physical photograph. All the analyzes exist. There's 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.920 no debate on whether the photo itself is real. 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:24.560 It is. 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.120 But what are we looking at and why is there 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.720 a big mystery behind who took these? Are we still 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.320 learning things or are we just at a point where 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:36.080 it's sweet. 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.840 Here's the whole thing about the UFO world, the very 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:47.879 confusion about it. The whole thing is a wonderful distraction. 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:53.560 If you're in the military and you want to hide things, 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.080 break through secret stuff that might have happened in the 0:24:56.200 --> 0:25:01.959 US military. Well, let's put some real noise, disinformation noise 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:08.119 around places where we want to keep things secret, Strange 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.400 anomalous photographs that cover up the fact you're flying spyplanes 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:18.400 that are secret. Still UFOs present a brilliant smoke screen. 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.320 Everything becomes mixed. 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.879 Up in a great miasma of real information and crap, 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.440 and in the end it's very hard. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.160 To work out what is truth and what is fiction. 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.960 And that suits a lot of people in the intelligence world. 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:45.440 There's too much evidence from too many different directions, much 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:49.320 of which converges on the same data sets, to say 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.480 that everybody is making this stuff up. What you're beginning 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.560 to get now is the military and intelligence world saying 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.359 there is a phenomenon here. In twenty twenty one, Director 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:05.879 of National Intelligence published a report saying exactly that the 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.440 phenomenon is real, and that was the first time an 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.120 official body had admitted this was a thing. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:13.879 What, of course, they. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:18.920 Didn't say, because they professed not to know, was what 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:23.199 was causing it. Are they extraterrestrials? Are they coming from 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:28.960 out of space? Psychological people hallucinating stuff, or is this 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:36.320 a middle ground that is worth investigating. Maybe they're interdimensional, 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:42.960 it's some glitch in reality that is letting stuff through 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.239 that we don't understand. I'm more inclined to look at that. 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.480 This, to me, is the unsettling part. Even if Calvin 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.680 was secret human technology, that explanation alone doesn't close the case. 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.440 It opens one more because the same shapes, the same movements, 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.439 the same witness reactions. They show up long before nineteen 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.200 ninety and long after. 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:16.439 Weird shit comes with a UFO sighting, poltergeists phenomena in 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.400 their bedrooms at night, Bigfoot is seen in the backyard. 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:25.040 All of this weird shit comes with it. If I'm 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.480 inclined to look into what may be causing UFO sightings 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:34.000 and experiences, consciousness is a really good. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:34.800 Place to start. 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:43.080 How do we perceive reality? If you flip the aperture 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.800 a bit, let's look at the nature of reality. Let's 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.120 see if we can find out whether there are anomalies 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:56.200 in the way we perceive reality which may explain paranormal 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.280