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I really struggled with it. 10 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: The more I remembered, the weirder it got. 11 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: Something has physically happened to me, like in an interview 12 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: like this half an hour ago. 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: It turned on. 14 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: What do you mean. 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: You've been talking to it ever since? It's working now 16 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: right now. 17 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 4: You can see it. 18 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: You can feel it. Can I feel it? You're not, 19 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: you can feel it. 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: It's right here, right under my hand, right now. This 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: is a piece of biomechanical technology, an alien implant. 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this story. 23 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Hey guys, real quick. I know it's annoying. I mean, 24 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: I hate doing it. But if you're enjoying High Strange, 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: could you please pretty please rate and review it, and 26 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: also hit the follow button on your podcast out I 27 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: don't know the algorithm likes this stuff. It means a 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: lot to us and it helps us in the charts. 29 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: And also I want to hear your genuine feedback. It 30 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: takes literally thirty seconds and you can do it right 31 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: now as you're listening. It means a lot to us. 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: You're a tenderfoot and to me personally, enjoy the show. 33 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to High. 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 5: Strange, Welcome to let me King lie God I. Closing 35 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 5: covers of the third guy, Whittley Shreeper says, they're really 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 5: out there. 37 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: He is Whitley Strieber. 38 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 6: There is the book, and it is a continuation of 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 6: his enormous bestseller Communion. 40 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: In the late nineteen eighties. I Reeber had a moment 41 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: in pop culture. 42 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: After I finally realized that this probably was real, something 43 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 6: that was non human, that was intelligent, started trying to 44 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 6: challenge it to get through my fear. Over a period 45 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 6: of months, I formed a relationship with them that I 46 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 6: believe could be a template, almost almost as if they 47 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 6: have one end of a phone and we've had two wires. 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: How do you know you're not nuts well. 49 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 6: First of all, we were flooded with thousands of letters 50 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 6: from people who basically wanted to know if I could 51 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 6: help them explain what had happened to them. And these stories, 52 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 6: one after another that had elements to them, unpublished elements 53 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 6: to them that suggested that this is much more than 54 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 6: a dream, that there is something happening to people that's 55 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 6: similar from case to case. 56 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Late night television talk shows, bestsellers. But outside all the 57 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: mainstream success, there were hundreds than thousands of people who 58 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: reached out to him privately, who were saying this happened 59 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: to me too, some details that weren't even public. And 60 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: that's when the question shifts not is Whitley lying, but 61 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: more like, why are so many people describing the same thing? 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: What happens next is where Whitley's story gets even harder 63 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: to categorize. 64 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: About a year later, one of my neighbors came over 65 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: to the house. He shows up and he says, Whitley, 66 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: I saw that happen, and I nearly dropped my teeth. 67 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: He was a retired state trooper. He said we were 68 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: driving home about two o'clock in the morning on that night, 69 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: and he said, I saw what I thought was the 70 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: Goodyear blimp in a field. 71 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: He said. 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: I stopped because I thought that us be in trouble 73 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: or it wouldn't be there in the middle of the night. 74 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Got out of the car, struggling through the snow, going 75 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: toward it to try to help them. It was obvious 76 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: to him something's wrong. As he moved toward it, he 77 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: heard screaming, and he began to move faster. In his 78 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: mind it was a blip that had gone down and 79 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: people in it were screaming, so he needed to get 80 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: there to help him. Then lights turned on all over 81 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: it started making a growling noise and coming toward him. 82 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: Very quickly panicked, jumped back into his car and drove off. 83 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: He said to me, I'm just so embarrassed, ashamed the 84 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: fact that I ran. And I said to him, if 85 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: you tried to help me, god knows what would have 86 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: happen to you. Then I knew, I knew this had 87 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: really happened. In my opinion, that was me in there then, 88 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: So what he thinks too, It was the right time 89 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: and the right night. 90 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: Everything. Many people have read your book. You caught my attention. 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 7: Okay, how often do these people visit you? 92 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 6: I have been with them a couple of times. They're real, 93 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 6: and I was not unconscious or in an altered state 94 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 6: of mind. One night, this very peculiar event took place. 95 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you were visiting. 96 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: It was in May night in nineteen eighty nine. It 97 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: was about eleven o'clock at night, and had just turned 98 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: in and I was going to sleep. Were open because 99 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: it was warm, and I heard crunching up gravel in 100 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: the driveway. I thought, very bad news. It was clearly 101 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: a vehicle of some kind. Plus they had no car 102 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: lights on. I had a shotgun under the bed and 103 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: a pistol in the door beside the bed, plus a 104 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: bank of switches that could turn on floodlights. 105 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: All around the house. 106 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: As I became fully awake, I heard a man's voice say, 107 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: condition red. I'm not talking about aliens now, I'm talking 108 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: about people. I started to go for the lights. The 109 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: man and woman standing in the doorway of the bed. 110 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: They looked like people. I was scared to death. Alarm 111 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: system was right beside the door of the bedroom. Led 112 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: was still red. In other words, they hadn't breached the system, 113 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: but they were still in the house. 114 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: They had to have breached it. 115 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: Somehow, because you can't get in the house without breaching it. 116 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: Forget floodlights. I'm going for the Benelli Riot gun under 117 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: the bed. The next thing I know, they pushed me 118 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: over onto my right side. I can't move, can't see. 119 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm totally helpless, paralyzed. He's pushing the side of my 120 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: head into the pillow again and again like that, and 121 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: the woman's voice is talking very gently. A couple seconds later, 122 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: there's a huge flash of light. I jump out of bed. 123 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: I grabbed the pistol. I run through the house looking 124 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: for a breach in the system. There's nothing. It's all intact. 125 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: I think, is this a lucid dream or what happened? 126 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: I go out to the garage. Alarm systems still intact. 127 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 4: It's not tripped. So on damn, garage door is wide open, 128 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: and that's not possible. 129 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: The alarm system is still armed and the garage doors 130 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: wide open. Sometimes you rationalize that, well, I called the 131 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: alarm man, I said, something screwed up with the alarm system. 132 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: My garage door is wide open. I'm looking at it, 133 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: and the system's not tripped. He comes over his gus 134 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: meter finds this incredibly powerful magnetic field on the garage 135 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: door that we have no explanation for whatsoever. It's not 136 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: his switches, it's just there magnetic field so powerful that 137 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: the door was wide open and the switsch hadn't been tripped. 138 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: We're not talking about dreams or sleep paralysis. We're talking 139 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: about a locked house, a homeowner with a firearm, an 140 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: alarm system that never trips, and people, not aliens or ghosts, 141 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: but other people inside his home. When he says, I'm 142 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: not talking about aliens now, it almost becomes more confusing, 143 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: and fear sounds different when it's human. 144 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: A few days past and my ear begins to hurt. 145 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: His ear would turn red and he felt this little 146 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: bump inside it. The doctor says, it's a cyst. My 147 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: ear would turn red. I touched this and I feel 148 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: a bump. 149 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: My ear would turn red, and I'd hear this noise. 150 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: About three or four years later, we moved down to Texas, 151 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: my home down of San Antonio. Having dinner with some friends. 152 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: One of them was a doctor, and I mentioned my ear. 153 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: He feels it, and he said, it feels like a 154 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: little sister to me. I can pop it out at 155 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: my office. Come over tomorrow morning. We go to his 156 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: office and we videotape the whole thing. This is what happened. 157 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: I didn't take an incision around there. 158 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: Again, he opens an incision, he sees a white disc. 159 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: But this little laugh Whitley did in fact film this. 160 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's the best quality ever, but it 161 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: looks like he's actually at the doctor. 162 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: When he touches it with his scalpel. 163 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: It moved on its own, but it goes. 164 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 8: I guess it went on under. 165 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 9: But that's the heart. 166 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 7: Aren't just say again? 167 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: Waves actually now, well he's talking it, but it went under. 168 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean I got I got a loopis there's some here? 169 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: It goes under the skin down into my ear. 170 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 10: Lobe, like a little tiny white disc. 171 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: It's all in the video. 172 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 4: It's there. 173 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: He got a little corner of it with the scalpel. 174 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: Can see the doctor looking at it and describing it 175 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: and seeing it move on its own. The implant is real. 176 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: He puts in a stitch and I go home. The 177 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: morning after that, my ear starts burning things in my 178 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: ear lobe. I can feel it, and it moves back 179 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: up here where it. 180 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: Is to this day. It's still there right now, right now? 181 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: Can you see it. You can see it. You can 182 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: feel it. 183 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: No, you can feel it's right here, right under my 184 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: head right now. 185 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yoh. 186 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: Lab technician calls him and says, is this a practical joke? 187 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: He says, no, it came out of a patient's ear. 188 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: DAB tech said, this is a piece of biomechanical technology. 189 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: This is a piece of metal that has cilia on it, 190 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: and they're motile, they move. 191 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 192 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: Cillia are little hair like things that enabled something to move. 193 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: That's how it moved down into my ear lobe. Something 194 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: has physically happened to me, like in an interview like 195 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: this half an hour ago. 196 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: It turned on. 197 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: What do you mean. 198 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: You've been talking to it ever since? It's working now 199 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: right now. 200 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: The whole thing seems like a fever dream. Is Whitley 201 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: just going around life further narrating its fiction, making up 202 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: stories and writing books about it? Maybe did these things 203 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: actually happen to him? And if they didn't, does he 204 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: still believe they did? And what does that mean exactly? 205 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: I'll admit I've gone back and forth a lot. I 206 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: come from true crime. I'm used to looking for some 207 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: universal truth, a verdict yes or no. True or false, 208 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: no gray area. The thing is, you don't have to 209 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: believe Whitley Straeber for this story to matter, because stories 210 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,359 Speaker 1: like his exist everywhere. 211 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 8: The first thing I like to dispel is a frequent 212 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 8: misconception that UFOs all limited to this country. Very often 213 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 8: people ask me, how come I never hear about UFOs 214 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 8: in other parts of the world. How can we only 215 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 8: hear about UFOs in America. Well, UFOs now not in 216 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 8: American phenomenon. They are a worldwide phenomenon. That's one of 217 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 8: their most dramatic characteristics. 218 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: People all across the world describing counters with the same shapes, 219 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: the same paralysis, the same missing time, the same physical effects, 220 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: different languages, different belief systems, all the same information. And 221 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: when something repeats itself like that across borders, across generations, 222 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: across technology gaps, it stops being like folklore and becomes 223 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: more like a data set. 224 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 9: It is very international. It's a global phenomenon. 225 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: UFOs are not an American problem. They never were. They're 226 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: reported by pilots in South America, tracked on radar in Europe, 227 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: documented by militaries in Asia, whispered about in places that 228 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: don't benefit from telling the story at all. The phenomenon 229 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: itself is global. Nick Cook has spent in his career 230 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: in investigating classified aircraft programs. 231 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 9: Having investigated classified aircraft programs, the Calvine picture, it's like 232 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 9: no plane I've ever seen. 233 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: The Calvine photo. In nineteen ninety two men were hiking 234 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: near Calvine, Scotland, and took a series of photographs. What 235 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: they captured would later be called the clearest UFO image 236 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: ever recorded. 237 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 9: The Calvine photo shows a source of diamond shaped craft 238 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 9: hovering in Scotland. Quite a remote area near Calvine. 239 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 11: This little corner of central Scotland has become the center 240 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 11: of activity. 241 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: It's what's known as a hotspot, an. 242 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 9: Area I where have people claimed to have seen unidentified 243 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 9: flying objects. The Calvine photograph, which some people have touted 244 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 9: the world's best photograph of a UFO, it's quite clear. 245 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: This photograph could be real. 246 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 9: This good circums actual evidence that says that could be 247 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 9: a genuine UFO. 248 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: Since you're only hearing this, if you want to see 249 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: the photo yourself, go to the high Strange Instagram. It's 250 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: just a high strange. 251 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 9: The problem with it is its provenance. Whoever took the 252 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 9: photograph disappeared off the face of the earth. No one 253 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 9: has been able to find the individuals who actually took 254 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 9: the photograph, if. 255 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: They ever existed. There was a diamond shaped craft, stationery, 256 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: structured silent, and if this story wasn't strange enough, the 257 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: people who took these photos have never been found. 258 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 5: One of the early investigators of the case, Royal Air 259 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 5: Force press officer Craig Lindsay, kept one print. 260 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 9: Its surfaced later a Ministry of Defense produced another photograph. 261 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 9: There was some kind of trail to this thing. 262 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 7: The story was killed under circumstances which remain murky to 263 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 7: this day. 264 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: This is Nick Pope. For years, his job title at 265 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the UK Ministry of Defense was literally one word. 266 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 7: The Ministry of Defense telephone directory was about two inches thick. 267 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 7: There were very detailed job descriptions, something like coordinating Officer 268 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 7: for updating NATO war books, deep specialist stuff. But with 269 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 7: regard to my job, it just literally said UFOs. So 270 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 7: it was a little bit of a question mark. Having 271 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 7: seen all six images and having seen the intelligence community analysis, 272 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 7: we all concluded this was a real solid, structured craft 273 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 7: about seventy five feet a grass and we have no 274 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 7: idea what it is how it even flies. This is 275 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 7: pretty extraordinary stuff. Not all of the UFO sightings that 276 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 7: we get are going to be where the balloons or 277 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 7: the planet venus. 278 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 9: What I always like to do is look around in 279 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 9: a sort of geopolitical sense as to what's happening at 280 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 9: the time. 281 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: Nick Cook isn't a UFO investigator. He's an aviation journalist 282 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: who spent years embedded in classified aircraft programs. Part of 283 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: the whole UFO debate is whether some of these things 284 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: people are seeing are actually ours new technology, secret technology. 285 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: Suspicious thing about it. 286 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 9: The Calvine photo was snapped on the eve of Sadam 287 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 9: Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. 288 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 11: Iraq invades Kuwait and overthrows its government. Iraq's president, Sadam 289 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 11: Hussein warned that he would turn Kuwait into a graveyard 290 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 11: if any foreign country tried to intervene. 291 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 9: I was covering a lot of classified US craft programs, 292 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 9: like the Stealth Fighter, which had been developed in secret 293 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 9: during the nineteen eighties. There was another mythical beast called Aurora. 294 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 9: An Aurora was reputed to have gone really fast, five 295 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 9: times the speed of sound, maybe six mythical because there 296 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 9: were sightings of it, but never anything officially revealed or admitted. 297 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 9: But there was plenty of technological evidence that this thing 298 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 9: was built in the black in secret. 299 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Nick Cook had seen stealth programs years before they were public. 300 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: He understood sometimes secret tech can hide in plain sight. 301 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: Does this explain the Calvine photo. 302 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 9: Aurora just happened that one of its operating bases was 303 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 9: on Scottish airfield called Macrahannish, which is not a million 304 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 9: miles from Calvine. Late eighties, early nineties. A good deal 305 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 9: of those pro have not seen the light of day. 306 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 9: I went to interview the boss of the Locked Martin 307 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 9: skunk Works. I sat down and we started talking about 308 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 9: all the aircraft programs he'd worked on, and he said, 309 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 9: I've worked on fifteen real flying aircraft programs while I've 310 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 9: been here, but I can only talk about twelve of them. 311 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 9: Locked Martin Skunk Works. Their mantra was, if you can 312 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 9: imagine it, we can make it happen. Whatever you dream 313 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 9: up we can do. Where money meets imagination, you get 314 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 9: the most phenomenal innovation breakthroughs now talking of the Aurora 315 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 9: in the late nineties. I then interviews the head of 316 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 9: US Air Force Research and Development programs. A guy called 317 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 9: General George Mulner on the day he retired. On the 318 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 9: record in that interview was black programs, secret stuff. Here 319 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 9: we were able to talk about secret programs. I could 320 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 9: ask him anything I wanted. It was like, finally here 321 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 9: we go. I said to him, so, let's talk about 322 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 9: whether you might have commissioned a Mark five plus hypersonic 323 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 9: s byplane. And he said, let me tell you a story. 324 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 9: So he goes, what would you do if you were me? 325 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 9: We have a Mark three reconnaissance aircraft in the Blackbird that. 326 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: We are retiring. 327 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 9: We have a new generation of spy satellites able to 328 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 9: deliver real time reconnaissance digitally, which is a first. But 329 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 9: those satellites aren't quite ready yet. So we have a gap. 330 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 9: What would you do? So I said, well, I'd probably 331 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 9: fill it with an interim capability, something that's just going 332 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 9: to do the trick in the short term. 333 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: So it goes go figure. 334 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 9: My inference from his statement is that a few prototypes 335 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 9: of this aircraft were built. It filled the gap, and 336 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 9: then they got rid of it. If you wanted to 337 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 9: put reconnaissance on the ground very quickly. Around about the 338 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 9: time Saddam Hussein was invading Kuwait, you might want to 339 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 9: send a very fast spyplane to take reconnaissance imagery. You 340 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 9: had an air base very close to Calvin in Macrahannish 341 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 9: where a lot of spooky things were going on. As 342 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 9: a result of the invasion of Kuwait, the. 343 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 11: United States has put six warships in the Gulf on 344 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 11: high alert and another six are on their way. 345 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 9: The crisis has found the Prime Minister with President Bush 346 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 9: to coordinate the British and American responses. You might just 347 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 9: want to divert attention away from that with some strange 348 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 9: speculation about a UFO which then subsequently appeared. There are 349 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 9: a lot of red flags in it. 350 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: For me, here's the problem with Colbine. The photo exists. 351 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: It's a real physical photograph. All the analyzes exist. There's 352 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: no debate on whether the photo itself is real. 353 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: It is. 354 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: But what are we looking at and why is there 355 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: a big mystery behind who took these? Are we still 356 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: learning things or are we just at a point where 357 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: it's sweet. 358 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 9: Here's the whole thing about the UFO world, the very 359 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 9: confusion about it. The whole thing is a wonderful distraction. 360 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 9: If you're in the military and you want to hide things, 361 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 9: break through secret stuff that might have happened in the 362 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 9: US military. Well, let's put some real noise, disinformation noise 363 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 9: around places where we want to keep things secret, Strange 364 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 9: anomalous photographs that cover up the fact you're flying spyplanes 365 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 9: that are secret. Still UFOs present a brilliant smoke screen. 366 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: Everything becomes mixed. 367 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 9: Up in a great miasma of real information and crap, 368 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 9: and in the end it's very hard. 369 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: To work out what is truth and what is fiction. 370 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 9: And that suits a lot of people in the intelligence world. 371 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 9: There's too much evidence from too many different directions, much 372 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 9: of which converges on the same data sets, to say 373 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 9: that everybody is making this stuff up. What you're beginning 374 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 9: to get now is the military and intelligence world saying 375 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 9: there is a phenomenon here. In twenty twenty one, Director 376 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 9: of National Intelligence published a report saying exactly that the 377 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 9: phenomenon is real, and that was the first time an 378 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 9: official body had admitted this was a thing. 379 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: What, of course, they. 380 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 9: Didn't say, because they professed not to know, was what 381 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 9: was causing it. Are they extraterrestrials? Are they coming from 382 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 9: out of space? Psychological people hallucinating stuff, or is this 383 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 9: a middle ground that is worth investigating. Maybe they're interdimensional, 384 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 9: it's some glitch in reality that is letting stuff through 385 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 9: that we don't understand. I'm more inclined to look at that. 386 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: This, to me, is the unsettling part. Even if Calvin 387 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: was secret human technology, that explanation alone doesn't close the case. 388 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: It opens one more because the same shapes, the same movements, 389 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: the same witness reactions. They show up long before nineteen 390 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: ninety and long after. 391 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 9: Weird shit comes with a UFO sighting, poltergeists phenomena in 392 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 9: their bedrooms at night, Bigfoot is seen in the backyard. 393 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 9: All of this weird shit comes with it. If I'm 394 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 9: inclined to look into what may be causing UFO sightings 395 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 9: and experiences, consciousness is a really good. 396 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: Place to start. 397 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 9: How do we perceive reality? If you flip the aperture 398 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 9: a bit, let's look at the nature of reality. Let's 399 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 9: see if we can find out whether there are anomalies 400 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 9: in the way we perceive reality which may explain paranormal 401 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 9: phenomena like UFOs. 402 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: Most of us walk around assuming reality is just what's 403 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: in front of us, what we can see what we 404 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: can touch, what everyone else seems to agree is actually happening. 405 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: But the older I get, the more obvious it becomes 406 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: that reality is not a fixed thing. 407 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 4: It's an experience. 408 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: You can be in the same room as someone, hear 409 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: the same words, watch the same moment unfold, and walk 410 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: away with a completely different understanding of what just happened, 411 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: not because one of you is lying, but because perception 412 00:28:53,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: isn't neutral. What if multiple truths could exist. Your brain 413 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: is constantly filtering, filling in gaps, making assumptions, protecting you 414 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: so you can function without being overwhelmed. That's consciousness at work, 415 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: not as some mystical concept, but as a practical system. 416 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: It's how you survive the day. But here's the part 417 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: that messes with me. If your experience of reality depends 418 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: on what you notice, what you expect, and what you ignore, 419 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: then two people can live in entirely different worlds without 420 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: ever leaving the same place. And once you realize that, 421 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: lots of things start to click, and why arguments go nowhere, 422 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: why certainty feels comforting, and why new ideas feel threatening 423 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: before they feel interesting. It also explains why encounters with 424 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: the unknown are so destabilizing because they don't just challenge 425 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: what you believe, they challenge how you know anything at all. 426 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: When it comes to consciousness. Even our smartest scientists are 427 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: still guessing. We can explain what the brain does, but 428 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: not why it feels like being you. So every now 429 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: and then I try to check myself. Maybe my version 430 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: of reality isn't the only one operating here, realizing that 431 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: two people can be honest, vulnerable, and trying at the 432 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: same time, but still be living in slightly different realities 433 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: the same room, same words, same intention, but filtered through 434 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: different histories, fears, and expectations, not because anyone failed, because 435 00:30:44,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: consciousness does not always line up on the same frequency. 436 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 7: The Ministry of Defense standard line we dish out to 437 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 7: the media and the public on this was that this 438 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 7: subject was of no real interest. It was always downplaying. 439 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 7: We just glance at these reports. There's nothing of any 440 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 7: particular defense significance, but we take a look just in case. 441 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 7: But the reality, of course, was quite different. Things that 442 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 7: I had access to in that job was the archive. 443 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 7: We'd looked at this phenomenon since nineteen fifty three. We'd 444 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 7: had a permanent research effort on it since nineteen fifty three, 445 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 7: but reports went back further than that. We had a 446 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 7: huge archive, hundreds and hundreds of sightings from different locations 447 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 7: around the UK. Ninety ninety five, maybe ninety nine percent 448 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 7: of all of this is going to turn out to 449 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 7: be misidentification, censor error or hoax, something fairly mundane. But 450 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 7: don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, because there's 451 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 7: something here. These things sit in the files must like 452 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 7: an unsolved crime in a police file. 453 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 9: The whole plethora of UFO sightings that are out there, 454 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 9: a lot of it is born out of witness testimony. 455 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 9: The sightings that people are reporting today are not that 456 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 9: different from sightings they were reporting fifty or sixty years ago. 457 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 7: One of those cases in the Ministry Defense file that 458 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 7: doesn't have a definitive explanation to it. A whole class 459 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 7: of school children seeing something. 460 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy seven in the small Welsh village of 461 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: Broad Heaven. Something landed, not once, not briefly, multiple sightings 462 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: in daylight. Sixteen school children, a teacher, no prompting, no 463 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: group discussion, and they all drew the same thing. This 464 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: is one of those stories that feels like it's right 465 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: out of a movie. Because kids don't gain status from ridicule. 466 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: They didn't have TikTok back then. Kids don't protect reputations, 467 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: they don't know what to fake. Yet in all these 468 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: kids describe seeing the same thing. One of those kids 469 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: has never stopped thinking about that day. His name is 470 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: Dave Davies, and I flew all the way across the 471 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: pond to try and track him down. 472 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: Yes, is that good? Right? Take me all the way back. 473 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 10: I mean, this is the thing that's been going around 474 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 10: my head for fifty years. My intent that afternoon was 475 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 10: to try and prove that there wasn't anything there. I failed. 476 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 10: I've known skeptics who try and rationally way out of 477 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 10: it as much as they can, But I don't think 478 00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 10: I haven't done that. If there was a convention explanation 479 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 10: for what I saw that day, I'd have already gone 480 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 10: fair enough, that's it then. But there is no other 481 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 10: explanation for what we saw that day. I've spent nearly 482 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 10: fifty years, countless books, any sort of reference material. I've 483 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 10: always pretty much shared. This is proof that I'm not lying. 484 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 10: I wouldn't have wasted all my money and time on 485 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 10: all this crap on the surface of it. You just 486 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 10: say air flying sources, whatever. But the more you look 487 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 10: at it, there is a trickster things sort of going on. 488 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 10: There's a lack of logic to what they're doing sometimes 489 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 10: and you just think it's completely mad. But it was 490 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 10: just the sudden realization that I've got something in front 491 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 10: of me that shouldn't exist, but does. I went through 492 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 10: the school as being the kid who saw the space ship. 493 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 12: A claim that something strange came out of the skies 494 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 12: and landed in the Welsh village of broad Haven. 495 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 10: I stepped over the primitive fence and as I got 496 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 10: one foot over, it literally rose up from behind trees. 497 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 12: Whatever it was was spotted three times by children from 498 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 12: the local school. 499 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 10: What we saw was definitely physical that was beyond our understanding. 500 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 12: The children say the object had a large dome cigar shaped, 501 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 12: silver in color. I've just been on the phone to 502 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 12: their headmaster. 503 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 3: I know that the sixteen children saw it. 504 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 11: Suddenly, the silver cigar shaped object seem to pop up 505 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 11: from behind the bushes. 506 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: How clearly did you see it? Well, I couldn't see 507 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 3: its face. 508 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 7: How you say you saw a man as well? 509 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: Did you? 510 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 10: Yes, there was a thought in my brain I should leave. 511 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 9: Were you frightened at the time, Yes, and that's where 512 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 9: the weirdness starts. 513 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: Hi Strange It's a production by tender f TV in 514 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: association with iHeart Podcasts, Created, hosted and edited by myself, 515 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay. Executive producers are myself and Donald Albright. Editing 516 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: by Mike Rooney, Cooper Skinner and myself. 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