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Speaker 1: Welcome to a special edition of The Drive. You're on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. I'm Dale Lally

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson. We are live in Canton, Ohio

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Speaker 1: for the second consecutive day because well for the second

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Speaker 1: consecutive day we'll see some Steelers going into the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. Quite the weekend, I mean quite

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Speaker 1: the uh showing last night of course for Steeler Nation

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Speaker 1: as well. Um, some great UH action at the podium.

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Speaker 1: There a lot of you know, as we talked about yesterday,

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Speaker 1: a lot of already inducted Steelers floating around. Mr Rooney.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was pretty impressive environment and well done.

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Speaker 1: I like that the the the speeches were cut down,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was a lot more susaft.

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Speaker 1: I've been here before when there have been some thirty

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Speaker 1: plus minute speeches and I get it. It's the inductees

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Speaker 1: moment in there. What you gotta do it. But thank

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Speaker 1: everyone in the planet. You know, it's funny. Did do

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Speaker 1: that on the if you notice on the scrolls last night?

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Speaker 1: That was cool. Yeah, that was cool. And did you

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Speaker 1: notice when they did cowards It's like every which I

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Speaker 1: thought was super cool. It started with the a's but

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Speaker 1: you know, all the way down. So along those lines,

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Speaker 1: I shuttled over here today with a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: from NFL Network. They were just shooting the breeze and

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Speaker 1: that came up and he said, so we did some

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Speaker 1: homework and found out the longest speech in Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame induction history was longer than all of them put

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Speaker 1: together last night. Can you imagine, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like I forget who it was. It just went on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. And that's just one. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got in a ton last night and they did

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Speaker 1: the job. It was great. Yeah, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: felt cheated by the whole thing. And and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they had opportunities. It's been their weekend, the entire weekend,

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Speaker 1: you know, of course, from the game Friday night to Saturday. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, so it's it's an honor for these guys

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Speaker 1: to be placed in here. I thought, you know, when

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Speaker 1: Bill Bill Kauer said, the first thing I'd like to

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Speaker 1: do is say congratulations on my fellow in Sharinese and

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Speaker 1: all the gold jack has tonight. It's an honor to

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Speaker 1: go in with each and every one of you. Um,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that be seen, and they said,

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Speaker 1: but what a weekend for the Pittsburgh Steelers, right kind of. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a weekend for the Pittsburgh Steeler without question,

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Speaker 1: and all the Steelers and ductees kept bringing that up

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Speaker 1: and Steeler Nation and anytime you hear the Browns or Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: you hear a boom in the crowd, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so it was pretty cool. They obviously Steeler

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Speaker 1: Nation represent themselves really well, as I'm sure they will tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure of. I see a lot more uh Peyton

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Speaker 1: obviously Manning headliner. Um. But you know, yesterday was the

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Speaker 1: Steeler fans took this place over. And it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: about them. You also had jimbo Covert going in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: guy from Freedom High School, Beaver County. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: former pit star. I thought his speech was a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff in there too. Was a nice job there

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Speaker 1: thinking Buddy Morris and yeah, a lot of guys around

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Speaker 1: lot of uh local ties, without question, it was good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Taglo Boo brought up Paul Tagleboo and his speech brought

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Speaker 1: up Dan Rooney several times, a couple of times, but

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Speaker 1: how you know, he kind of helped him get the

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Speaker 1: time last night throughout the course of the night, which

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Speaker 1: it still has a massive, outreaching influence obviously. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I think, uh again, it's only

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Speaker 1: fitting that so many of these guys go in and

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Speaker 1: and as we mentioned yesterday, Bill Kawar and Troy Paula Malu,

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Speaker 1: the first coach player combo the coach you drafted said

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Speaker 1: player to go in together in the same induction class.

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Speaker 1: And then you have Fannicat tonight going in as well,

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Speaker 1: So all on the same weekend, another one that he drafted.

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Speaker 1: So I don't ever happen again, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kid goes into night Build Nun's already been inducted at

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Speaker 1: they'll have a little video tribute to to the guys,

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Speaker 1: So it should be another fun night for Steeler fans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's supposed to be a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that won't be will be too bad of a big

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Speaker 1: another Steeler type party. I mean I bet the bars

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Speaker 1: nine am when I was still in bed and liked,

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Speaker 1: what the do not disturbed? Does that not mean do

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Speaker 1: not disturb checkout. Ah yeah, yeah, so you're Dragon and

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, you have another late one tonight.

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Speaker 1: We'll be on the drive at eight am tomorrow as well,

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Speaker 1: and these next two days and then I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: on with Wolf in the locker room again. So the

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Speaker 1: week keeps rolling and before you know, it's another game

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. So I'll roll back cover practice Tuesday or

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Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday and uh then they travel and then

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Speaker 1: you know, on the Philadelphia and the Philadelphia. But I

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Speaker 1: think we'll see more starters, more action, more brand name guys,

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Speaker 1: and that one from at least a stealer perspective to

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Speaker 1: your point, Uh, chookes the core four back at practice today.

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Speaker 1: According to um, I'm looking here at the our d

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Speaker 1: foule that goes up and things go on. They're going

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Speaker 1: on at practice that Chooks a quarter for back in

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Speaker 1: the starting lineup today. Uh so so much for the

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Speaker 1: report that uh he was gonna miss the opener. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that came out last week. And I'm

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Speaker 1: like first report Kevin thoughtson back today, but he was

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Speaker 1: working with the second team really who was ahead of him? Coward? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they just like Coward. I mean, I saw

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Speaker 1: nothing to say that Coward couldn't play. I thought he

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Speaker 1: held up well in the game. Practice reports have been

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Speaker 1: my colleague day On Kovakovic got kind of skewered for this,

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff was not happy with Thoughtson's preparation for

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Speaker 1: this season. Now, some people ran with that and said

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Speaker 1: be that because Dawson was out of shape. That's not

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Speaker 1: what he reported. It's not report. The report was that

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Speaker 1: they were unhappy with his preparation this offseason. Not the

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Speaker 1: same thing, Not the same thing. Not that that has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with his conditioning, because obviously he was

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Speaker 1: We're not handing you the left guard job and it's

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Speaker 1: just yours for the next ten years and all's well

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Speaker 1: in the world. But it's also the uh stroke. I mean,

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Speaker 1: six wide receivers. Yeah, maybe I'd go to five potentially. Potentially, um,

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Speaker 1: to keep six off six cornerbacks, I should say, I

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Speaker 1: guys helping special teams? Right, I mean opening day you

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Speaker 1: far and away. The teams have played four receivers, the

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Speaker 1: six active in Game one and we won, you know,

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Speaker 1: A corner Yeah, um, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: I did not know. I mean he could be that

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Speaker 1: some special team. He could be that special teams. So

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Speaker 1: Jones or someone of that. Yeah, you'd hate to lose

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Speaker 1: them if you're if they're promising. Jones seems promising to me.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody would grab Coward. Yeah, maybe probably

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Speaker 1: I think we brought this up yesterday. There's like eight

423
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Speaker 1: to ten of those because I mentioned to all sugs

424
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Speaker 1: Freeny Pepper's there was a lot of edge guys not

425
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Speaker 1: that long ago that were really, really good I think

426
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Speaker 1: Pepper's kind of stands above them, but they wouldn't say

427
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Speaker 1: they were the best ever. They weren't Bruce Smith, you know,

428
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, and if one goes to they all go.

429
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Speaker 1: How do you decipher between them? A lot of you know,

430
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: a cumulative stats, a lot of double digit sack ears.

431
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Speaker 1: I think he's close. Uh would probably lean towards no.

432
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: But if it's a light year, it might be a

433
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: light year. Yeah, Ronde. Uh, I'm sorry, Willie Anderson, really

434
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: good player. May know Bengal's people have been pushing that

435
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: he should be in the conversation. Thus, and maybe this

436
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: bar is too high. I mean Baselli and I know

437
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: I didn't play that long, but that that level tackle

438
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: to me's above him. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, Ronde Barber, Um,

439
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a no, don't get me wrong, but

440
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting if you sit in for his conversation

441
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: because he has stats. I mean, corners don't have stats,

442
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: and he has stats. It was on a really good defense,

443
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 1: but that defense wasn't great for eight years. It wasn't

444
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: a lega boom. It was for like two years or so. Um,

445
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: But he has sacks, he has takeaways, you know, Um,

446
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: I still think he's a no Cornelius Bennett, Uh, no

447
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: great player. Um, he's like the definition of Hall of

448
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: very good. And think you know, I mean on a

449
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: really good buff Low team, Bruce Smith was clearly a

450
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: lot better than him. Not that that's you know, a negative. Uh.

451
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, the aforementioned Tony Boselli. I think he makes

452
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Speaker 1: it this year. If you said at a lean year,

453
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Speaker 1: this could be it. I mean I think we had

454
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Speaker 1: we had a good conversation. There was a pretty good

455
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Speaker 1: push for him two years ago when I when I

456
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: did the Hall of Fame presentation. Um, there was a

457
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: pretty good argument made in his favor. Um. I just

458
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Speaker 1: couldn't see him getting in ahead of Fannikara Hutchinson based

459
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Speaker 1: on the longevity. They had better cases. I mean he

460
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 1: played ninety career games. Yeah, and at this point, at

461
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: that point and even a year ago, Fannica was still waiting.

462
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, if you could only take one of the two,

463
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Speaker 1: I think you have to vote for Alan over Tony.

464
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: But that's only I mean, you no better than I

465
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Speaker 1: would have that conversation. But it sounds like that Sposelli

466
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Speaker 1: is only negative is longevity? Yeah, I mean the quality

467
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Speaker 1: of plays hall of Fame level. Yeah, yeah, I thought so,

468
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Speaker 1: uh LaRoy Butler, and he was a finalist when I

469
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Speaker 1: was when I was in that room. This sounds a

470
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Speaker 1: little rough, but I think so say efties have gotten

471
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Speaker 1: in lately that are maybe a little suspect. Not Troy obviously,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, like I thought Dawkins was worthy. I think

473
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Speaker 1: at Water's worthy. But there's been a couple of safeties

474
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Speaker 1: where I kind of go, it doesn't scream Hall of

475
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Speaker 1: Fame to me, and Butler doesn't scream Hall of Fame

476
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Speaker 1: to me. Uh. Rodney Harrison another one that's kind of

477
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Speaker 1: in that goes back to I guess or any conversation

478
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Speaker 1: too though that well, none of these first generation Patriot

479
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: greats are getting in the Rabels and Bruce Keys and

480
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Speaker 1: Seymour's and all those guys. I think Seymour is kind

481
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Speaker 1: of worthy, but um Harrison's it's got a better case

482
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Speaker 1: than like Bruce Ki or Rabel or some of those dudes,

483
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Speaker 1: or Malloy or some of those type of guys. Maybe

484
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Speaker 1: Torry Holt, I think, yes, I think him and Bruce

485
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: the same. That was something that you know that Kim,

486
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: because he and Bruce two years ago. We're on the ballots.

487
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: They hurt each other or at least, you know, coincide

488
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Speaker 1: with one another. Um, you've got uh. Clay Matthews Jr. No.

489
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: Played forever and was super reliable. But was he ever

490
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: a top five linebacker or you know what I mean?

491
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: Was he ever a great player? I don't think so.

492
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Speaker 1: Sam Mills, I don't think so either. Yeah, I don't

493
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Speaker 1: think so. He was. He was up as a finalist

494
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Speaker 1: two years ago as well, and he just couldn't vote

495
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Speaker 1: for him. I mean, I I don't know if Zach

496
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Speaker 1: Thomas's name is gonna come up on this list, will

497
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Speaker 1: I would put Thomas over Mills. It will. I wouldn't

498
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Speaker 1: vote for either one of them. I don't know either

499
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Speaker 1: ones deserving. I think Jimmy Johnson last night brough up

500
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Speaker 1: Zach Thomas. Yeah, you know that's a big thing, you know.

501
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: And people talk about tackles. I tweeted this today. Tackles

502
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: are not an official NFL statistic because they're different in

503
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: every stadium. I can recall when the Steelers played the

504
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Speaker 1: Broncos in UH in the a f C Championship and

505
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Speaker 1: the Broncos press release it made a big deal out

506
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Speaker 1: of the Broncos. I believe at seven players who had

507
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: a hundred tackles or a hundred more tackles on their roster.

508
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: And so I then went back and added, that's impressive,

509
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: and I said, wow, that's really it's a lot. And

510
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Speaker 1: so I went back and I looked. I counted up

511
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: all the tackles though, just those guys made just seven,

512
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Speaker 1: and it was like it was like nine hundred some tackles.

513
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Speaker 1: Ye solos solos, right, they only had like a thousand

514
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Speaker 1: plays run against them that year, and there were other

515
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Speaker 1: guys on the team who had solo tackles, So somebody

516
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: was fudging in numbers. Wasn't seven on seven football? Yeah?

517
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Speaker 1: I mean I think we've brought this up before too.

518
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Speaker 1: Like I don't play much, I d P Individual Defensive

519
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Player Fantasy, but one of the like cheat codes in

520
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: that is knowing what stadium tackles easily. You know. I

521
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: don't respect like ray Lewis. I think he got a

522
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: few he didn't deserve. And you know, I mean it

523
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: happens in every building, but some buildings just give them

524
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Speaker 1: away easy, you know, And if you're your road guy

525
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: is playing in that stadium, you start them that week. Like,

526
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Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the reasons I don't play IDP. Yeah,

527
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Speaker 1: we mentioned Seymour. I think I voted for him two

528
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: years ago. I did. Um, you know, I thought he

529
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Speaker 1: deserved it. Um. The stats aren't there. But he's a

530
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Speaker 1: three four end, right, I mean, like Cortez Kennedy's in.

531
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Speaker 1: I think Will Fork will go when his time comes up.

532
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: He's not. He can't measure him against Bruce Smith. You

533
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Speaker 1: can't measure him against Reggie White. You have to look

534
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: at what he what he kind of like he's a

535
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's the

536
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Speaker 1: Cam Heyward argument. You know, Cam Hayward had no chance

537
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Speaker 1: of making the Pro Bowl when he was listed as

538
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Speaker 1: a defensive end. The Steelers move him to the list

539
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: his listing, it put it, take the E off the

540
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Speaker 1: end and put a T on it. And now all

541
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's a four time Pro Bowl player,

542
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: two time All Pro. He didn't suddenly get better, he

543
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: just changed his position because I mean, he doesn't line

544
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: up outside the tackles. And I thought Seymour was a dominant,

545
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: dominant player on a great team, on a really good defense,

546
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: special guy. I think he's All of Famer, but that's

547
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Speaker 1: a tough I wouldn't want to be his guy trying

548
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: to get him in. It's yeah, well, I mean they

549
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: made a good argument two years ago. We'll see if

550
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: that that continues, and I know it gets redundant. Yeah, um,

551
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of push for this next

552
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: guy in you And I've discussed this in the past.

553
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. No no, no, no, no, no no. I

554
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: mean I know more Special Teams player, Morton Anderson's Ray

555
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Ray guys in. Okay, but can you prove to me

556
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: the Tasker vote? COURTNELI has been it before. I'm voting

557
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: for Steve Tasker. They were on the same team. Which

558
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: one was the better player? Asco? Which one? Which one

559
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: would you rather play without? Tasker? One plays fifteam plays

560
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: a game, the other one plays fifty. Yeah. I know

561
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: he's got this great reputation too, Like I don't look

562
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: Devin Hester's on that list. Hester, to me is a

563
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: much better case than Tasker. Like Hester scared people. He's

564
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: the best returner I've ever seen. I still don't know

565
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: that I could vote for him to go in because

566
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: he plays eight plays game or something like that, Like

567
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: how you telling Richard Seymour, Hey, Richard, you gotta wait

568
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: another year here, but we're gonna put Steve Tasker in

569
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: this year, right, or the next guy in the list?

570
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, Hey Fred Taylor, you're not you're not good

571
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: enough to be in the Hall of Fame, but we're

572
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: gonna put Steve Tasker in. You put the team on

573
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Speaker 1: your back and one of the best backs in the

574
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: league for a nice stretch. But this guy did thousand

575
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: or twelve thousand total yards in your career. But we're

576
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Speaker 1: gonna put Steve Tasker in any of you. Yeah, Madden

577
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: used to make a big deal lot of them because

578
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: he you know, it was an easy guy to root for,

579
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: so he all of a sudden he's the best special

580
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: team or in history. Alright, quick question for you, would

581
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: you vote for Justin Tucker when he comes up? All things?

582
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: The problem is you gotta leave something. I'm not a

583
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: believer the kicker should be in. That's why I bring

584
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: him up. That's all well and good. But the guys

585
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: who are in there now, Morton Anderson and you on

586
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: Stener Roupe were the best at that time, were on standardards.

587
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I think his career percent we make percentage. Yeah, Morton

588
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Anderson's like two percent. See that stuff doesn't bother me

589
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: as much as if I vote for him. I can't

590
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: vote for Seymour Taylor, you know what I mean. That's

591
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: the other part of the equation, Like you're putting him

592
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Speaker 1: in over Yeah, you're putting him over guys who are

593
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: belong you know, belong in there who don't make it

594
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: because maybe they didn't play a sexy position right right,

595
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: the guards of the fan, I mean fan could lose

596
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: that to those guys. That's really two different questions. I mean,

597
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: is justin Tucker Hall of Fame or to you? To me,

598
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: that's a yes. But to finally get five votes, there's

599
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: only five to go in. Yeah, and did he beat

600
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: out of five others that we're talking about right now?

601
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh mentioned Zach Thomas's for me? But yeah,

602
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Hines Ward on the list again I don't see it.

603
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: But again it goes back. Okay, Steve Tasker and Hinds

604
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Ward both of w R next to their name, right,

605
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: they're not even the same species, right, Calvin Johnson, how

606
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: do you tell how do you look? You look? A

607
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: guy like or you know, if Hines Ward in the

608
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: in the ehy and say hey, you're not. Tory Holt

609
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: was another one. You mentioned the wide receiver like they're

610
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: not even close. I know Steeler Nation and actually some

611
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: of the guys his name came up a couple times

612
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: last night, and that forum is really good for lobbying

613
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: for your buddies and all those things, and I know

614
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Ward people would be out there, like then you can't

615
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: go by the number with Ward. I get that he's

616
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: a blocker and all those things, but I'll take the

617
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: guy that catches the balls. At least he has a

618
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: thousand career catches, which is probably about nine hundred more

619
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Speaker 1: than Steve Tasker had in his car. I don't even

620
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: see the offense, not unless you're a whole bunch of um.

621
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Speaker 1: This guy I think should be in Patrick Willis. I

622
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: think he's easiest one that whole list. To be very

623
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Speaker 1: honest with you, if I'm looking at those linebackers that

624
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: we talked about, you're talking about Cornelius Bennett, you're talking

625
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: about Claim Matthew, Sam Mills, Zach Thomas. Patrick Willis is

626
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: the best of that group. The only knock against him Is.

627
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: He didn't play super long, but he played longer than Sally.

628
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Speaker 1: I think he played longer than Terrell Davis and some

629
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: of these Gail Sayers and some of these guys that

630
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: did get in. He was the best linebacker in the

631
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: league for pretty long stretch. Great defense that he was on.

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Speaker 1: An instrumental um, A little ahead of his time in

633
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Speaker 1: terms of he's running the four four at two forty

634
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: and never leaves the field. Great in coverage. I mean,

635
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: he'd be. He was an early pick and would be

636
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: every draft. I think he's a Hall of Fame all

637
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: day long. But uh, I was shocked some of the guys.

638
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: This is no offense, but some of the guys have

639
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: gotten this year. I would have put Willis ahead of

640
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't see that one.

641
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: He's like a little Roy Butler to me. Yeah. And

642
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Bryant Young was the other. He's another one that's a

643
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: really it's in the Seymour range again, a defensive tackle. Um.

644
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Speaker 1: You know, I think the impact how they how they

645
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: impact the game is a little bit different than a

646
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: true defensive end. I'm not sure if you know this answer,

647
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: but as Kevin Williams from the Vikings been up yet,

648
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I think he's coming soon. And he's

649
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Speaker 1: somebody that I would never think of as a Hall

650
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: of Famer, but I heard a case for him. They

651
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: were they were ridiculously hard to run against. Yeah, I

652
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: mean there was that Williams wall. He did all kinds

653
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: of things. I wasn't sure if he was up yet,

654
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: but I would put him ahead of some of these

655
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. But those guys were really good. Seymour and

656
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Young were really good. They just don't have the stats

657
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: that you look at and say, well, he had all

658
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: this man this number of sacks. And that's the thing

659
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: that people look at all the time with guys who

660
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote pass rushers now edge rushers slash defensive ends. Well,

661
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: how many sacks did he have? That's that's what's gonna

662
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: hurt a guy like James Harrison. They impact the game

663
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways even if they don't

664
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Speaker 1: get the sack. Like you're sliding, you know, you're you're

665
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: doubling that guy all the time. Well, that's impacting the

666
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: game because now you're playing you know, not to mention.

667
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say the best pass rusher in the

668
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: league the last five years, played for since you the Jets,

669
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: the Jags, and he's a great player. But you're losing

670
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: in the quarter and they're just running down your throat,

671
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, like there's not as many opportunities. It's lotties

672
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: to get sacks and you're a Chief. Yes, that's why

673
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: the Chiefs get a bunch of sacks right right, They've

674
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Speaker 1: they've been able to do that. We're gonna take another

675
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Speaker 1: break care before we get to the list of first

676
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: time Guys're gonna be um try to come up with

677
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Speaker 1: a list of who we think the next five will be.

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Speaker 1: He's Matt Williams and I'm Dale Ali. You're this thing

679
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Speaker 1: to Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. This is

680
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Speaker 1: a special edition of The Drive Live from Canon. Will

681
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Speaker 1: be back with more right after this. Welcome back to Canton.

682
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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson. We are at

683
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Speaker 1: Canton McKinley High School here on Radio Row. Although calling

684
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: this Radio Row is a bit of a there's only

685
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: one other one other radio station here. And Joe Rokicki

686
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: from the DV morning shows here as well, holding down

687
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Speaker 1: the fort getting ready for their show tomorrow. Give Joe

688
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: a little shout out there, But of course the induction

689
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Speaker 1: ceremony will take place tonight for the one class we're

690
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: talking about who might be in the class next year.

691
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: These are the guys who are first who uh, the

692
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Speaker 1: first time their first year of eligibility. And I don't

693
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Speaker 1: know how or who. I guess this. This is coming

694
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Speaker 1: from Julie's scaffe of the Hall of Fame. So these

695
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: are the guys that that she put on the list

696
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Speaker 1: who are first time eligible next year. Ankum Bolden, No,

697
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: he's very heinzwardish to me without the rings uh. And

698
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how this guy made it on here.

699
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Good player, but should not be in the Hall of

700
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Fame list. Chead Greenway No, I mean he's been okay,

701
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: He's not as good as that Thomas or the Mills

702
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: or a couple of guys who mentioned last segment. No,

703
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson, so he's a yes to me in a nutshell,

704
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: But I'd have to compare him against others. I know

705
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: we had this this battle a little bit yesterday. Johnson

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: verse Holt would be a conversation to me. Um just

707
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: initial reaction is Andre Johnson Hall of Famer. Yeah, is

708
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: my initial reaction. Um, I know he didn't catch a

709
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: ton of touchdowns, but boy, I thought he was a

710
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: really good player. Good player. Uh led the league in

711
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: receiving twice, receptions twice, receiving yards twice. Um. How long

712
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: he played? Do you have his bio? He played two

713
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: thousand three to two thousand sixteen, But you know that's

714
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen season. He had nine catches for e

715
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: d five yards. He had forty one catches the year

716
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: before that, eighty five the year before forty six yards.

717
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: He was he was kind of holding on at the end. Yeah,

718
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: he was awfully good. Though with the Texans, it would

719
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean again, if you can only pick five or whatever.

720
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't know that he makes that cut. But in

721
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: a nutshell, I think he's a Hall of famer. Uh.

722
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Speaker 1: His teammate with the Texans on here as well, Mario Williams. No, No,

723
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Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I take Jared Allen and

724
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: some of those others and some of those edge guys

725
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned before over Williams, Tony Romo, that's not crazy.

726
00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: He's been played a long time good offenses. You know,

727
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Romo or Rivers, Rivers. I think I'd take Rivers over

728
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: him too. Yeah, I think Rivers gets in Romo or Ryan.

729
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: We gotta go Romo. Ryan at least took his team

730
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Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. Ryan right now is ninth all

731
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: time in passing yards played A lot longer thought Romo

732
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: is the better. Romo is thirty four on the all

733
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: time passing list. Yeah, that's that doesn't screen. You know,

734
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Speaker 1: it doesn't screen right without even taking your team just

735
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: longest time, he didn't matter. He didn't even get his

736
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: playoff win. It was a very long stretch. Yeah, he's

737
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: a no. I just can't put him on it. And

738
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Speaker 1: here's the thing that we've seen happen though recently. If

739
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: you're on TV, you get that extra men probably didn't

740
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: hurt Cower, I mean hurt Jimmy Johnson, you know what

741
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, I mean, maybe he'll go down to

742
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: be the Hall of Fame announcer, but that shouldn't help

743
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: your cause as a player. Robert mathis, No, he was robbing.

744
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's a really good Robin, don't get me wrong.

745
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: But no, Uh Steve Smith, Oh yeah, I think Steve

746
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: smiths Hall of Fame. Yeah, I'll take him over, Bolden

747
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: Ward Holt, Andre j. Yeah, Smith was a good player.

748
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware Yeah yeah, okay. And Vince Wilfork. Yeah, I

749
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be this presenter. Yeah, that's a tough

750
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: one because he's a nose tackle. Um. I mean, with

751
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: all respect to Hampton, Wilfork was the nose tackle of

752
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: the generation, you know what I mean. I mean he

753
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: was an instrumental player. He's got a lot of hardware

754
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: and his rings on his hands too. And to be honest, though,

755
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Hampton doesn't even get mentioned. He doesn't give

756
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: it up for a while now, it doesn't even get

757
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: to be a final, semifinals. And I don't know, Wilfork's

758
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot better than Hampton, but his resume is yeah,

759
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm just calling up his quote his

760
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: stats here to see there's just nothing there. But heyed,

761
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: he played thirteen years. He had sixteen career sacks. Yeah, um,

762
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: he had five sixty career totals three and sixty seven

763
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: or tackles three six, three and sixty seven of those

764
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: were solos. Okay, so he averaged about his job of those. Yeah, right,

765
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: that's not what you're there for. Five forced fumbles in

766
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: his career, twelve fumble recoveries, two interceptions. Three interceptions he

767
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: had two in one year one year. That guy, I mean,

768
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: how would you even go about presenting. But here's the

769
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: thing you look at it. He was All Pro once,

770
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: first team All Pro one time. Um five Pro Bowls. Okay,

771
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean they don't have a nose tackle spot, right,

772
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: they get he gets compared to the Bryant Youngs and

773
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: he's actually fighting hateword and those guys too, right, Um,

774
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: you know SAP and people like that. Now he'd be

775
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: fighting Aaron Donald. You're not gonna have the saverage is

776
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: gonna win, right. Um, It's not like like when I

777
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: was a kid. That always bothered me. Mike al Stott

778
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: went every year as a fullback block anybody. It was

779
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: just a big he got to run the ball right, right,

780
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: So he went to he was the NFC fullback every year.

781
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: It's like he's a good player, but that's he's not

782
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: playing fullback. It's almost like Vince should have. There should

783
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: have been a nose tackles spot. His cases rough. I

784
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: mean you know, to me, you'd have to really do

785
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: a lot of work and say they were top five

786
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: against the run every year he was there. That's that's

787
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: kind of the argue. You know what you talked about. Um,

788
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: you know when I when I presented Fanica, you know,

789
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: the Steelers led the league in rushing this many times,

790
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: and we're top ten and rushing this many times when

791
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: he played, and that kind of knows he's a key

792
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, So you're saying, you're saying yes to C. Smith,

793
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: You're saying yes to de Marcus Ware, and yes to

794
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Vince Wilfork. That's three first time guy, So you're leaving

795
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. I didn't pick my five,

796
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: but I think are they Hall of famers? They get

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: my yes? And Andrey Johnson we got a yes for me.

798
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: But I think the fourth of those I'll take will

799
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: Fork over Andre, I'll take Smith over Andre see taking

800
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: Marcus Jared Allen, No, doesn't make it over those guys

801
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: because Willis will Willis Is vote is going for me? Okay?

802
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, Willis we going Willis? Where? Okay? Will Fork? Uh? Smith?

803
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: And Tasker in Greenway? Uh? Then I'm fighting down now

804
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: coming down to that fifth spot. I don't mention. No,

805
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Yeah, I see, I think BASSELLI

806
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: goes next year from this year's list, I would vote

807
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: for Bussell. I would vote for Seymour. Yeah, I don't

808
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: want to leave Seymour off. I've been fighting for him.

809
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: So there's there's two of your guys, and you take Willis.

810
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: That's three. Uh. And then I started looking at that

811
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: second year, that these first time guys, and I'd say, uh,

812
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, And I'm like, I might only I might

813
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: only have Steve Smith in as those guys. Um, I

814
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: might take Jared Allen over where? Let me see what?

815
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Let me see where? I hate this rely on stats.

816
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean, eyeball test. I think I'd rather play against

817
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: Jared Allen than de Marcus Ware. Where was the monster? Um?

818
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know that there's any Troys or Peyton

819
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: Mannings this year. There's no I mean, Calvin Johnson would

820
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: go ahead of all those guys. I'm just looking here

821
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: at the all time sacklist. De Marcus wears hundred thirty

822
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: eight and a half, Jared Allen a hundred thirty six.

823
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: They're right there. I mean, eleven years for for Alan

824
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: and eleven years for where. I mean even at the end,

825
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: where was playing with Denver it wasn't quite a full

826
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: time time guy. Miller on the other side, that'sould be

827
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: quite the only that's gonna be a heck of an argument. Yeah,

828
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: because neither one to slam Doug No brainer R. So

829
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: do you he said, well, we can't put where in

830
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: because he can't have another first time guy make him

831
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: way to here. I know they do that a lot,

832
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: which isn't fair to the poor guy. Um wow, I

833
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: think I still would take where over out at Rodney

834
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: Harrison or a guy like that. It's not bad. But then,

835
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Posselli has but Bassellis. Basselli to

836
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: me is the guy who's going in the next year.

837
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: I think Willis is the would be my first vote

838
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: because I think I think there's been a pecking order

839
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Speaker 1: for the offensive lineman and I think this is Basselli's here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've a better understanding how it works. So

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Speaker 1: I mean your prediction is he will get this. This

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Speaker 1: is my prediction he gets a nod. It wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me to see Zach Thomas gets any really, Yeah, that

844
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: would sadden with me. Yeah, I mean I understand he's

845
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: a really good player and he's easy to root for

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00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: I would vote for Willis over him, Yes, easily. To

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, those first ballot guys that are

848
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna have a tough time, Yeah, there's none you have

849
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: to put in, and I know that the committees. I

850
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: think Steve Smith is the guy who's the closest thing

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Speaker 1: to I kind of put holding though too. We didn't

852
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Speaker 1: bring him up. Well yeah, and if you put holding,

853
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: you don't And then you only take one receiver, Smith Andrea.

854
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Speaker 1: How do you rank those andres proby three for you?

855
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I think Smith's one for me. I don't know who's

856
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: two and three for me though, but I think Smith

857
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: is one. He played a pretty long time and brought

858
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot to the table. But none of them are Calvin.

859
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: No even are they even Reggie Wayne from this year.

860
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I think they are eyeball test. But Wayne Wayne did

861
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: like everybody everybody says Reggie Wayne and and Marvin Harrison. Well,

862
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: Wayne became number he like he went, He was Batman,

863
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: he was Bruce Wayne. Yeah he did, he did. It's

864
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: not the same as Mathis and free those teams and

865
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: Maths did. After a while, was still really good player

866
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Speaker 1: on his own, or it wouldn't be in this conversation.

867
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Speaker 1: But no, Wayne was a great player, well past Marvin

868
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Speaker 1: and even when they didn't have Peyton anymore, like he

869
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Speaker 1: was still this is would be a tough five. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting There's ten guys that are in it.

871
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean Seymour verse Wilfork again. Yeah, the first guy,

872
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: the first time guy versus the the guy who's been

873
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: waiting for a while. And sometimes the guy who's been

874
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: waiting for a while gets to nod right, right, you

875
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: know it's his times, right. I mean, if you were

876
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: presenting both those guys puts you in a little bit

877
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: of a pickle, it does, you know, maybe get asked

878
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: which one would you put in first? And didn't you

879
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: say that happened to like hold verse Bruce or something

880
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I mean how could it not if

881
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: you're presenting both those guys and I got one vote,

882
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, tak one of the two. But as a presenter,

883
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't kid, you're arguing for two

884
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: guys at the same position, that's essentially, and maybe both

885
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: are deserving, but you gotta you know, like, hey, I've

886
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: I've done this guy. It's only natural I've I've had

887
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: to present this guy four years in a row. This

888
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: guy's brand new. Let's put the guy on. Let's put

889
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: the guy who's been waiting longer. Do you think Bruce

890
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: was clearly above Holt? Though, because I wonder if I

891
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: think it'd be pretty easy for the committee to be like,

892
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: we just brought we justn't was Bruce was the established

893
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: one when they when they drafted when they drafted Tory hold,

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00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Bruce had done it on his own and Holted it

895
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: passed Bruce too or not Bruce, But um no, we're

896
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: talking about the ramps. Yeah, so Bruce had been there

897
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and he was the guy, and then they drafted Tory Holt.

898
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: It was kind of the Harrison Wayne situation, you know,

899
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: was the learned from the incumbent? Correct? I thought Holt

900
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: was better though at the time, just the better player.

901
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: And maybe that's crazy, but um I just think the

902
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: committee would be really easy to say, well, we put

903
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Bruce in last year. This guy's got the same case.

904
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: How do we not put him in? Yeah, but it's tough,

905
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, people think people get angry about

906
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: it every year. How can't how could this guy not

907
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: have made it? Crazy? Swards a lot of Hall of Famer.

908
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: It's easiest sit here and say yes or nos, Hall

909
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: of Famer, but not when right, which brings you back

910
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: the Tasker and Tucker and you know those type of

911
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: guys too. Is Hester been up He has not. I

912
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: think he is eligible to this year. He's gonna be

913
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation. Can't put him in above some

914
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Speaker 1: of those other guys, Hey, Tony, Hey, Steve Smith, you

915
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: can't go in because Hester's going in. You know, he

916
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: was at least a lot scarier than Tasker to me,

917
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't even be mentioned. But at least that, you know,

918
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: justin Tucker to be He's the best I've ever seen.

919
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: So I think there's a conversation there. But you don't

920
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: not to put the ravens and field goal situations, Like

921
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: people never kicked the Hester because he scared him so much,

922
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he changed games a lot,

923
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: not the Tucker isn't a weapon. I mean, but then

924
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: you had guys like Metcalf what's the difference or Josh Cribbs,

925
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, guys like that. I mean, yeah, you didn't

926
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: want to kick to those guys, yeah right right, those

927
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: guys were him before him now, maybe he was. I

928
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: think he's the best. Maybe he was the best. Maybe

929
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: there's some recentcy bias there because he's played the most recently.

930
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: But there have been other guys that you didn't want

931
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: to kick the ball to that have never even scratched.

932
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Don't get that, you know? To me, that's the tasker

933
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: argument too, Like can you really prove to me that

934
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: he's the best core special team or ever ever ever,

935
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Like there's gonna be when Matthew Slater retires, right, there's

936
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a big he made. He made nine Pro

937
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Bowls as a special teams guy because nobody, nobody else

938
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Speaker 1: knew who these guys were. All Right, the voters don't

939
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: watch every gunner's gonna be a long snapper or something.

940
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: He's the best long snapper. He get it back there

941
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: at one point two seconds nine. He went the eight

942
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. I mean, there'll be some long snapper that

943
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: we all know his name twenty years from now, and

944
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: someone's will be, well, he was so much better than

945
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: everybody else. You sure, yeah, do you really know that?

946
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: You really know that? I mean, I don't think that

947
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: to be if we had every special teams coach from

948
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: the last twenty years in this room, and we all said,

949
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: Steve task for the best special team you ever saw.

950
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't know or you know I had yes, i'd say, okay,

951
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: then maybe he's got a case. But they wouldn't all

952
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: say yes. No, they wouldn't all. But anyway, so that

953
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: that's those are the guys who we're gonna be up

954
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: for next year. Manning's up. Yeah much, you stand up.

955
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: You just stand up and say Peyton Manning, right, Okay,

956
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: everybody vote yes. But it's gonna be interesting. That was

957
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: the argument going into this past season, Manning. That's how

958
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Fannika gets in. Uh. We'll see those guys all go

959
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame later on tonight, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break. That's gonna do it for our

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Speaker 1: one here live from Canton. He is Matt Williams and

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Alli. You're listening to live coverage from the

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