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Speaker 3: So it's been fifty.
Speaker 4: Nine an full episodes today sixty the mini pods. I
Speaker 4: hope y'all are listening to those. They drop every Monday.
Speaker 4: By the way, Maypod.
Speaker 3: And we did our live shows.
Speaker 4: So we did thirteen live shows, eight cities, Miami, New Orleans, Shytown,
Speaker 4: the d Scilla, d C.
Speaker 3: The dates.
Speaker 4: Wise, I call y'all don't like me saying that though Detroit,
Speaker 4: the atl Philadelphia, and.
Speaker 3: There was some city I can't even remember it.
Speaker 4: I don't even think, oh yeah, I wasn't starting to
Speaker 4: throw Andrew anyway. But we began by telling our stories,
Speaker 4: our truths. We began with testimony. So a lot of us,
Speaker 4: you guys have seen all of us on the different networks.
Speaker 4: We each can come from a different background and came
Speaker 4: together here because we, like you, noticed a dearth of
Speaker 4: voices and expertise that dishonored our truth. Still, so often
Speaker 4: what people talk about on these networks centers the comfort
Speaker 4: of white people, not just white people, but conservative white people.
Speaker 4: So we wanted to create a space for everyone where
Speaker 4: we could censor our lived experience.
Speaker 3: And it's really been a delight to go through all this.
Speaker 4: We talked about the outgoing administration, we shuddered it. Speaking
Speaker 4: about the incoming administration, we caught a lot of flak
Speaker 4: from folks, and listen, that's a part of it. Some
Speaker 4: of y'all disagree with us, and you waited and told
Speaker 4: us as much. But we also got some of y'all's
Speaker 4: in from our a man corner, which we greatly appreciate.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 4: Angela likes to say that she and I gotten our
Speaker 4: first fight, but I have to tell y'all it's our second.
Speaker 1: What was the first one?
Speaker 3: About the guy?
Speaker 4: I have to remind you that all the time when
Speaker 4: we were me and you and Sonny, we were.
Speaker 3: At lunch, it says this raggedy there.
Speaker 6: Was not a real argument.
Speaker 4: I wanted you to come somewhere and you were like,
Speaker 4: I'm not coming and you left.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I didn't like storm off.
Speaker 4: I know you did it, but you were like escalated,
Speaker 4: like and it don't matter. I was feeling protective of you.
Speaker 4: I know that time I was mad at you. Well, okay,
Speaker 4: I wish you were mad that time. It had come
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 3: Pulled me out, and he pulled me out.
Speaker 4: A year of reflection of the mistakes we made, okay,
Speaker 4: the mistakes that were made nameless.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Andrew Tiff and I got into our first argument.
Speaker 5: She said, it's our second, I said, our first of
Speaker 5: our nearly twenty year friendship.
Speaker 6: Andrew and I got in our two hundredth.
Speaker 1: Did you know did you fight?
Speaker 6: Andrewes, did y'all fight?
Speaker 1: I didn't fight anybody? Okay, I just you know, stood
Speaker 1: my ground well standard then right dangerous one Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the incoming president.
Speaker 4: We went through all of its ninety one criminal charges,
Speaker 4: and we talked about the bleach blonde.
Speaker 3: Bad built state of our union.
Speaker 4: We even got into the Kendrick Drake beef, which has
Speaker 4: since taken even more turns.
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: You could lose a rap beef so hard so many
Speaker 4: times teams. Yes, but that's you're taking another l like
Speaker 4: you still losing, like slim.
Speaker 3: Just go home, back to your corner. That's how it works.
Speaker 3: And then we're brody. What is it?
Speaker 4: I just said, brody, Yeah, exactly exactly. We talked about
Speaker 4: reparations to banning TikTok. We talked about legalizing weed, which
Speaker 4: I'm not really familiar with. I'm I'm indifferent on, but
Speaker 4: I know that's something that's important to you guys.
Speaker 3: You guys anyway, well it was legal in my house.
Speaker 4: So I liked our conversation on fatherhood, black fathers and
Speaker 4: why they matter, but also all your listener questions, your comments,
Speaker 4: we really appreciated. One of my favorite shows was the
Speaker 4: show that we did in Miami with Kim Blackwell at
Speaker 4: that conference, and what made it so amazing were the
Speaker 4: women in the audience.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a.
Speaker 4: Carefully curated group of people who were insightful and leaders
Speaker 4: and on the front lines in the private sector, in
Speaker 4: the public sector. Our our good sister Jill Taika Edie,
Speaker 4: who were thinking about this holiday season was with us,
Speaker 4: so just amazing time.
Speaker 3: We got into our own rat beefs at the d
Speaker 3: n C.
Speaker 4: No need to revisit that, but you can check out
Speaker 4: our mini pod on.
Speaker 3: Exactly we did.
Speaker 4: This is Angela's baby. She just really wanted to do
Speaker 4: the Congressional Black Caucus Foundations Annual Legislative Conference.
Speaker 3: A lot of you guys.
Speaker 4: Colloquially call it CBC week, but we were able to
Speaker 4: broadcast live from there. That was the last time they
Speaker 4: saw us in glam I think in this level of yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: We sorry, we deprived you exactly, wouldn't that be foss
Speaker 5: just randomly do a black side show like for no reason,
Speaker 5: like Yese lap are you could do a pocket square?
Speaker 6: Was there? Roland got some feathers ones that looked like
Speaker 6: some drawers.
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about Roland Martin, of course, but.
Speaker 6: Yes we are.
Speaker 3: We having so crazy. We love Roroad saved us at
Speaker 3: the DNC to.
Speaker 6: Shout out, never let us forget it.
Speaker 3: We love you.
Speaker 4: But one thing is for sure, speaking of Rolrod, because
Speaker 4: he's a part of our community. There will be no
Speaker 4: US without you. There will be no US without Community
Speaker 4: Connection Coalition. We are as different as the zip codes
Speaker 4: we live in, from the nation's capital to the Dirty
Speaker 4: South to what angel will called the best coast, and
Speaker 4: so yes and so and everything in between. We welcome
Speaker 4: you all in this space. So we said goodbye to
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, and as we usher in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: we invite you, our Native Lampod family, to journey with
Speaker 4: us through our inaugural year, which would have meant nothing
Speaker 4: without each of you.
Speaker 3: We want to take a moment to thank you inaugural
Speaker 3: our inaugural year.
Speaker 1: The whole experience has been the one thing I didn't
Speaker 1: want but badly needed. And it takes, upon reflection to
Speaker 1: really consider that I could have stayed a hermit inside
Speaker 1: my own space and been just fine. I think until
Speaker 1: you get exposed to the fact that nah, I actually
Speaker 1: love people. I love my family, I love my community
Speaker 1: and Native Lampod I think did that for me And finality,
Speaker 1: there would not have been a show without all of you.
Speaker 1: We couldn't be what we needed to be. But for you,
Speaker 1: including those of you who disagreed, in fact, in some ways,
Speaker 1: especially those of you who disagreed on various perspectives, you
Speaker 1: kept it you know, classy, You clipt it real in
Speaker 1: your own ways, and you policed each other when it
Speaker 1: was necessary and so for that, I just want to
Speaker 1: extend heartfelt Native lampod thank you to every single one
Speaker 1: of you who helped to own and create and continue
Speaker 1: to populate this space. Happy New Year.
Speaker 4: So I want to thank iHeart Colonel Will and Carrie Connell,
Speaker 4: Will and Carrie Colonel and I have a private inside
Speaker 4: joke where I call him Colonel.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know about it, but he does. Thank you, Connell.
Speaker 4: And thank you to the pod Father Chris Morrow and Leonard,
Speaker 4: who you guys know as Charlemagne the God. To our
Speaker 4: production team Lauren, Nick and Lolo, to our video production
Speaker 4: team Mark, Ena and Dylan who have held us down
Speaker 4: without our last minute request and traveling, So shout out
Speaker 4: to you guys, our social media crew Camera, Anda and Chloe,
Speaker 4: and well I.
Speaker 1: Call her a and she doesn't know yet, but now
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 4: It's on my take on Strange because she's always so
Speaker 4: fly and fash. But Ange our breakfast Club fam Uh
Speaker 4: for collabing with the US, and all the guests and
Speaker 4: hosts and everybody who's come on and everyone who has
Speaker 4: worked on the show, and every city for every live show,
Speaker 4: and the places we had to go along the way,
Speaker 4: all the friends we made along the way. So we
Speaker 4: love you all, we thank you, and welcome home y'all.
Speaker 5: All right, so we asked y'all to let us know
Speaker 5: what your favorite episodes were from this last year. We
Speaker 5: can't play them all today, but please make sure you
Speaker 5: check out the episode description for the full list of
Speaker 5: best of episodes selected by you.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, exhausting, fine, but.
Speaker 5: A very very eventful year with this podcast. So let's
Speaker 5: take a look at some of our best moments.
Speaker 1: I went into the most republican part of Florida. I
Speaker 1: went to the most Republican precinct in the entire country twice,
Speaker 1: three times on the campaign trail. Not because I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to convert the people living in that
Speaker 1: ultra right wing place. It's because all those places there
Speaker 1: are people who can still relate to our experience, what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, our story, and even if they
Speaker 1: don't hook line sinkle on every single major issue I
Speaker 1: want to move forward. They had enough to believe that
Speaker 1: I believed in it, and so they went and they
Speaker 1: casted a ballot for me. I think it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Don't spend no ad money it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense for me to walk right past them,
Speaker 1: casting the dispersion that everybody who lives in that area
Speaker 1: believes that way, and that's why I shouldn't. I know,
Speaker 1: that's not what you're saying, Katie Well.
Speaker 3: Now we are now all.
Speaker 4: We've gotten agreements that note, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's funny because even exhausted.
Speaker 4: When we were in Atlanta and Kim Blackwell was talking
Speaker 4: about Katie Yeah, and me and Angela instinctively soon that
Speaker 4: she said white women, we.
Speaker 1: Were both like Andrew sympathizing Andrew.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you need to talk to Andrew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like she said it. I wasn't on
Speaker 1: an island alone.
Speaker 5: Are a lot of people they were in dragging both
Speaker 5: of us in the comments about it.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stick by Katrina, as I said in that CLUBB.
Speaker 7: Don't put me on the opposite side of Katrina at all.
Speaker 1: I love Katrina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're surrounded.
Speaker 4: I say, you went for office and you understood that
Speaker 4: you had to coaliious Bill. I think that's the point,
Speaker 4: And honestly, I mean, it was a funny moment, but
Speaker 4: I think that there are conversations to have around that.
Speaker 4: I think I don't want to speak for Angela. But
Speaker 4: I think what we feel is that's not our ministry,
Speaker 4: that's somebody else's ministry. And I would love to see
Speaker 4: white women take up the ministry to talk to their
Speaker 4: own people, and like, I'm not here to save you,
Speaker 4: you know, like you benefit from me saving myself. I
Speaker 4: ain't out here trying to save you.
Speaker 1: I'm to save anybody. I do want our people to win,
Speaker 1: and I want our policies to prevail. And I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, part of two ay twenty five. I think
Speaker 1: I said this on less show for me is going
Speaker 1: to be the listening part and how we cultivate a
Speaker 1: space where we hear a lot more of what's happening
Speaker 1: so that we're not so shocked by by these consequent outcomes.
Speaker 6: Do you all think that you've pivoted much from that moment?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Andrew, what about you? No?
Speaker 6: I think I'm worse.
Speaker 5: Like now I'm like dex double extra you and furthermore, like,
Speaker 5: don't invite me. There were so many women after the election,
Speaker 5: Black women were talking about being invited to these convenings
Speaker 5: to talk to I'm not going, I don't care talk
Speaker 5: to each other.
Speaker 6: Please talk to each other.
Speaker 5: Show you.
Speaker 1: Say it when they are talking to each other, which
Speaker 1: is why I'm thinking somebody needs to be in the
Speaker 1: space to recover it.
Speaker 3: To forty eight percent.
Speaker 4: Need to talk to the fifty two percent because I
Speaker 4: honestly I don't understand their sensibilities. You know how there
Speaker 4: are things in our community that are unspoken but understood. Yes,
Speaker 4: we could have me and Anel have a whole conversation
Speaker 4: right now and not say a word. Yep, and somebody
Speaker 4: walk in this room. We could definitely like she know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I know she should happen at the DNC right exactly.
Speaker 3: I feel like they got their own language.
Speaker 5: Got that's out of order now, Nick, But just it
Speaker 5: goes with the fluff receive.
Speaker 4: Doug em Hooff because the first time Vice President Senator
Speaker 4: Harris ran there were people anyway.
Speaker 1: Even if they even if they don't, even if they don't,
Speaker 1: I believe that they were. I believe that black men
Speaker 1: receive her. I am enough. You know how sometimes they
Speaker 1: get y'all, y'all, we're gonna be here nothing. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I can talk about anyway. You
Speaker 1: know what we believe. I believe.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, No, we cannot.
Speaker 4: Can I just ask the audience, can we evolve?
Speaker 5: Do we enemies? I mean, I forgive people. From the
Speaker 5: standpoint of Andrew is so trying to make no, I
Speaker 5: don't want to go down this point.
Speaker 3: I wonder what we.
Speaker 4: Come a bear, Stay away from.
Speaker 3: Me, brother.
Speaker 5: I love you, but just know that this is paid
Speaker 5: up pay back from that Fox.
Speaker 3: News interview, that moment Andrews. I just want to say,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I forgive people, and I can love you from a distance,
Speaker 5: and you're welcome to vote on this ticket. But one
Speaker 5: thing I will never forget is when I was at
Speaker 5: the National Action Network conference and her ass got up
Speaker 5: there and said that at the name of Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: every niche a bell. So I'm glad that somebody gave
Speaker 5: Omarosa a credential to come to this conference, to this convention,
Speaker 5: and for her to be taking pictures of the podcast.
Speaker 6: Hope that she's I hope that she live streaming so
Speaker 6: she can hear this.
Speaker 5: Shout out girl, post the picture and see the comments,
Speaker 5: because I will never forget you're doing that. Andrew was
Speaker 5: making a great point about the importance.
Speaker 1: No forget it, no, but I would know your co
Speaker 1: was real which was I know, but we're down here.
Speaker 1: We do seven.
Speaker 6: Minutes over time because we want to hear you.
Speaker 1: I know we're not going over time. This will be simple.
Speaker 1: You said whether or not black man can receive him
Speaker 1: in this way, and my point was, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if we do or don't. We receive her, and I
Speaker 1: think that it is enough to be for her that
Speaker 1: we will show up, show out, vote, and see her
Speaker 1: elevated to the presidency. I don't think it's a petty
Speaker 1: negro somewhere who may harbor just whatever resentment may exist
Speaker 1: as a related why you know what I picked y'all up.
Speaker 1: I think you're secretly this woman. I think you might,
Speaker 1: you mightn't. I don't know anybody here, keep yours.
Speaker 3: First of all, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Finished shining off.
Speaker 4: First of all, Andrew, ain't nobody jealous, But is the
Speaker 4: point I imagine being part of the eight percent of
Speaker 4: black women who helped this man ascend to power, and
Speaker 4: man trying to scurry your ass back on this side
Speaker 4: of the line.
Speaker 3: I want you.
Speaker 4: I want you part of my epigraph. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 4: to remember, but ever, every trader who stood out here
Speaker 4: gonna bow down, pretty much.
Speaker 6: Said down every nichell bow.
Speaker 5: I think that speaking of the conversations that can be
Speaker 5: had without saying a word, even though we did say
Speaker 5: some word. But first it was the eyes because I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, but I guess.
Speaker 1: Of course, Anne of that was known to me. I
Speaker 1: was just in.
Speaker 3: The middle of making a point, so I apologize.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 6: He's like, poor girl.
Speaker 1: Got the skull pulled back on show. She couldn't even
Speaker 1: defend herself.
Speaker 5: She's fine, She's still making random cable news appearances. Nonetheless,
Speaker 5: I just I think that there is something about when
Speaker 5: people show up for opportunity, you can smell it on them.
Speaker 6: And she was the only one. We talked about some
Speaker 6: others of the d n C as well.
Speaker 1: Who need not be mentioned.
Speaker 4: We got a lot of drama at the d n
Speaker 4: C because there was also this moment.
Speaker 5: The point is we saw crazy eyes on the floor,
Speaker 5: and crazy Eyes when I saw him, I said, tip,
Speaker 5: that's him, and then Tiff said, watch you.
Speaker 3: There's no time girls.
Speaker 4: I told y'all, I've been ready, and Peaches and her
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 5: Also, what about TIFF's new favorite holiday Andrew.
Speaker 1: Oh, my favorite hometown.
Speaker 3: Today we're not going to work in augusta hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife's hometownd Montgomery.
Speaker 6: What's that?
Speaker 3: God actual.
Speaker 4: Oppressed that happy one year anniversary? You guys one year
Speaker 4: ago on August fifth, twenty twenty three, the infamous or famous,
Speaker 4: depending on how you look at it, Montgomery Boat Brawl
Speaker 4: went down. We have dubbed it a holiday August teenth,
Speaker 4: and that was to be visited audio and I have
Speaker 4: watched that. I could reenact the whole thing. Probably. I
Speaker 4: have watched that tape about thirty times when I'm frustrated.
Speaker 4: I watched that tape. It was such a moment of
Speaker 4: unity amongst us.
Speaker 1: Collective.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a collective impact, and I really think
Speaker 4: that's how we have to move as a community. You
Speaker 4: mess with one, you mess with all. I don't care
Speaker 4: if I don't know you. If I see something going down,
Speaker 4: I'm coming over my phone ready to hear what happened
Speaker 4: with everything?
Speaker 3: Okay? Over here?
Speaker 4: I think people have to know because you only see
Speaker 4: white people act like that when they are not outnumbered.
Speaker 3: Then it's real gully.
Speaker 4: But if they know, I can't go over here and
Speaker 4: start messing with this little boy, because every black mama
Speaker 4: around is gonna come over here and make sure this
Speaker 4: child is okay. Or I can't go over here messing
Speaker 4: with this girl or call her out her name or
Speaker 4: harass her, because I know every black person around is
Speaker 4: gonna come and make sure she's okay. That is the
Speaker 4: superpower of our community. So I know a lot of jokes,
Speaker 4: a lot of memes and all that was made around
Speaker 4: this video.
Speaker 1: They're worthy.
Speaker 4: It was worthy, some of those voiceovers. I still, I still.
Speaker 4: I hope y'all want to take a little time and
Speaker 4: watch it and celebrate. What do we ever go to.
Speaker 3: Work on August fifth?
Speaker 4: But can we declare now just for our viewer, so
Speaker 4: everybody knows, are we going to work on August fifth?
Speaker 3: Do we work on August? I say no, I think
Speaker 3: especially and Donald drum Samarica.
Speaker 4: Ain't no way still if you're not deported this as well,
Speaker 4: I dare him to try to deport.
Speaker 1: Us back birth birth birth is insane.
Speaker 6: He's trying to take us back to dred Scott.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I'm declaring here. August fifth is a
Speaker 4: national holiday.
Speaker 6: Powers Invested in Her.
Speaker 4: Which is an official part of the executive branches of government.
Speaker 3: Now things are agency, the.
Speaker 1: Native we just don't get to the means.
Speaker 4: They never send the not you know, one of our
Speaker 4: own meetings and the Internal Meeting Department are hereby declared
Speaker 4: August fifth is a national holiday.
Speaker 3: Happy August teenth to you.
Speaker 1: Is our man.
Speaker 6: You have to call in sick, It's okay, it's still holiday.
Speaker 1: Happens, yes, and we will.
Speaker 4: We will record a message for you on that day,
Speaker 4: and if you do stay home on that day, send
Speaker 4: us a video. We'd like to know how you plan
Speaker 4: on spending your August fifth and shout out to the
Speaker 4: people there.
Speaker 6: This is for real.
Speaker 4: I'm not even being silly. I want to shout out
Speaker 4: the community because to me, that's what it was about.
Speaker 4: And I think if y'all didn't get this message before,
Speaker 4: because we've declared it. I want people to understand when
Speaker 4: somebody comes to you, when you see one of these
Speaker 4: katies and Karen's acting a fool, they only act like
Speaker 4: that when they are not outnumbered, and so.
Speaker 3: You they have to start to understand.
Speaker 4: I don't have to know you. If I see you
Speaker 4: addressing this black person in a way that seems to
Speaker 4: be put in their life at danger, I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: all up in the mix. I'm gonna have my phone recorded.
Speaker 4: I'm coming over to see what happened, because you ain't
Speaker 4: talking to him, you're.
Speaker 5: Talking to us speaking of coming to see what happened.
Speaker 5: Remember when Tiff has something to say about community peen,
Speaker 5: I don't recall it doesn't recall.
Speaker 4: Let's higher bartenders like it was an all girl shabang.
Speaker 4: So he's literally the only man there, and we're all like, why.
Speaker 3: Is he here? Like what's happening? And so she says,
Speaker 3: is there a place where I can go get changed?
Speaker 3: And we're all like, okay. And also these people look
Speaker 3: pretty familiar to us, but we can't quite place it.
Speaker 3: But it's DC, so you know, everybody look familiar there,
Speaker 3: but we've they're like we've seen them in the spots before. Okay.
Speaker 4: So the girl comes out and she's now like in
Speaker 4: a little neglige a and the guy is nude.
Speaker 3: Okay, And she proceeds to then give us a life instruction.
Speaker 3: You guys, she.
Speaker 4: Was verbally talking through it and perform me okay, but
Speaker 4: I am so uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: Because not now I am okay.
Speaker 3: I want you to know, before.
Speaker 4: Before I told this story, I gave them a previous
Speaker 4: said I just want you to know my stories going
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 3: They said, no, tell no one.
Speaker 4: It was gonna be like you went to a porn concert. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: I really don't appreciate telling this story. If you're talking
Speaker 4: about a cat and angel talking about communion.
Speaker 5: We okay, you were saying that this was something happened
Speaker 5: at an event and it was gonna be like heard
Speaker 5: on the hill kind of scooped.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that we was gonna be dropped into
Speaker 6: a to be porno.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know what?
Speaker 1: That was fine? I felt really g rated after giving
Speaker 1: our story talking about church and I'm talking about churches.
Speaker 1: Schizophrenic cat do I said, schizo, not saphantic.
Speaker 6: It's okay either way.
Speaker 5: Either way, Tiff had the nerve to be mortified after
Speaker 5: noting everything that.
Speaker 1: Was.
Speaker 6: That was a lot I gave y'all all the kid
Speaker 6: probably know how.
Speaker 1: Surprise, but your honesty, thank you. It was frigging nuts
Speaker 1: blugging crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, but there's another there's another, you know, risk side
Speaker 5: of tip for those who don't indulge be dark. We
Speaker 5: had know we had an episode about we the people,
Speaker 5: and since she says that marijuana is legalized in High
Speaker 5: House and we don't run this two.
Speaker 1: But tell us where do you stand as we approach
Speaker 1: for twenty?
Speaker 4: Well this may shock you, oh, legalization of marijuana. Listen,
Speaker 4: if you're watching this on a Saturday.
Speaker 1: Every time you're watching this.
Speaker 4: This Saturday, happy for twenty to you. Saturday is the
Speaker 4: day that weed smokers unite, I would say in one
Speaker 4: big puff puff path communion. But before you celebrate that
Speaker 4: sticky iky, I think it's important that you.
Speaker 3: Know before.
Speaker 4: I'm actually I'm actually curious how this administration will handle
Speaker 4: the legalization of marijuana.
Speaker 1: Well, he was for it in Florida.
Speaker 4: A lot of his voters like that. That is an
Speaker 4: issue that is not partisan. It transcends every economics, socio economy.
Speaker 1: A federal level is still where even though during the
Speaker 1: Biden administration we saw some classification reduction of the significance,
Speaker 1: still federally you can't have commerce in federal banks.
Speaker 3: They put state governments at odd with the federal government.
Speaker 1: Individuals, we're traveling and we're trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: the law is in every particular place and so forth.
Speaker 1: You know that DNC thing went off because you know.
Speaker 3: When our friend came through ye, we thought we was
Speaker 3: in a.
Speaker 1: State proper federal yes, yeah, and we're all in trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I hope that they changed that though, because for Republican Party,
Speaker 4: especially who purports to be in favor of small government
Speaker 4: and who purports to support state rights, well, this is
Speaker 4: one where you can merge the two and say, you
Speaker 4: know what, let's just make it legal. So stay tuned,
Speaker 4: we'll see.
Speaker 5: And then what about when Tiff was the resident sports
Speaker 5: expert and I had to ask her, where where did
Speaker 5: Brett Favre play?
Speaker 1: Tiff?
Speaker 6: I love you, I want to talk about Brett Favre. Tiff.
Speaker 5: I know you're a resident sports experts, so you know
Speaker 5: what NFL team this man Wents played for.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me just.
Speaker 4: Say I was reading the Times and they did a
Speaker 4: whole article on it, so I know that he played
Speaker 4: for the Tennessee To type, oh right now.
Speaker 3: About green Bank? I could how about green Back?
Speaker 5: What we were just trying to demonstrate for you all
Speaker 5: is how easy it is for people in influential positions
Speaker 5: who cover the media to be also swayed by misinformation.
Speaker 6: That was just an exercise. Do not try this at
Speaker 6: home and scene.
Speaker 5: You google it later, but our resident sports expert does
Speaker 5: know down on the inside.
Speaker 3: That's how you need to know. That's all y'all need
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 5: Okay, so where are we going from here? You guys,
Speaker 5: you guys want to go to emotional or intense lol, emotion.
Speaker 4: Or Something that we played that I had a serious
Speaker 4: challenge with was the clip from of the Black Peace people.
Speaker 3: Talking about voting for track people Trump Bider? Why you
Speaker 3: say that the business man he's gonna think and Biden
Speaker 3: is a racist?
Speaker 1: Who do you think has done more for the black community? Trump? Bider.
Speaker 1: I ain't even see Biden yet.
Speaker 4: I know Trump was out, he was at bro he
Speaker 4: was God.
Speaker 8: That's why he fuilt has Wall Michael being everything. And
Speaker 8: you know we've been here for all the time and
Speaker 8: can't get a free Hamburger and they come here get
Speaker 8: all the ship. And I'm saying, so that's why I say, yeah, Biden,
Speaker 8: he ain't doing he shit. So but Trump, I would
Speaker 8: feel that he will be the better person to get
Speaker 8: in Biden.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what my challenge was as a journalist,
Speaker 4: have to remind myself we're not in the newsroom. And
Speaker 4: what I was saying is like we hadn't independently verified
Speaker 4: this footage and Fox you know it is not a
Speaker 4: trusted source.
Speaker 1: And when we played it in the show, you and
Speaker 1: I had an immediate action that show.
Speaker 3: Oh you want to show that? What I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's take a look at that. Now this reminded people.
Speaker 4: I don't think honestly, I don't think we should play
Speaker 4: I don't think. Yeah, I don't think any of I
Speaker 4: don't know. I wouldn't I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: I want I want to play some of it.
Speaker 1: I do not want to play what part because it's
Speaker 1: a whole commercial ridiculous because it sounds like propaganda.
Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred, But then you were pushing back in
Speaker 4: roal time, so I don't remember. The compromise was we
Speaker 4: played a tiny bit. We cut it down significantly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in reflection for me, I see
Speaker 1: more now post the election, the value of of hearing
Speaker 1: just the what felt like ludicrosity. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a word. I'm making it up, but it felt ludicrous,
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, and I knew there were
Speaker 1: elements of sentiment. I just wasn't prepared to buy what
Speaker 1: I had seen in that video. And the truth is
Speaker 1: is I think that probably was a sentiment, if not
Speaker 1: to that extreme versions of it that replayed itself all
Speaker 1: throughout the cycle that culminated and obviously what we saw
Speaker 1: in the elections outcome.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's what we saw in the
Speaker 4: elections outcome yet, but I think for me, it wasn't
Speaker 4: that the idea that these people may not exist. It
Speaker 4: was we don't know who these people are. It is
Speaker 4: a random collection. There is no follow up. We don't
Speaker 4: know are you a registered voter? Where did this footage
Speaker 4: come from?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 4: Who are these people? So it wasn't necessarily like, no,
Speaker 4: it's not true. We shouldn't acknowledge their people out there.
Speaker 4: It is before we platform something, we have to it's
Speaker 4: responsible to verify who are these people, where.
Speaker 3: Did it come from.
Speaker 4: We've seen networks get caught out there in that, which
Speaker 4: I think has led to the erosion of public trust
Speaker 4: in media, where they do these panels of independent voters
Speaker 4: and then you find out, oh, but this person is
Speaker 4: a Trump organizer. We didn't know if these people were paid.
Speaker 3: Anything like that.
Speaker 4: So I would have like the conversation we had in
Speaker 4: Atlanta where we ask, and we're hearing from you right
Speaker 4: in our face directly, we can ask follow up questions, well,
Speaker 4: how do you feel?
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the issue of shouldn't.
Speaker 1: We being shared?
Speaker 3: Right? It was is this the appropriate way?
Speaker 6: When?
Speaker 4: I don't know where this even came from, But I
Speaker 4: think the bigger debate that a lot of people might have,
Speaker 4: which I think you and I've had on and off air,
Speaker 4: should we be talking to those people? I've never felt
Speaker 4: like we shouldn't be. I've always said I shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: That's not a valuable way for me to spend my time.
Speaker 4: I think you have more tolerance to talk to people
Speaker 4: who may feel that way, and I can be a
Speaker 4: bit like, yeah, I don't really even like if you
Speaker 4: don't care enough this whole question about what Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: that would do with black people, and you ain't even
Speaker 4: care enough to google that shit before you ask something
Speaker 4: that done.
Speaker 1: That's not the same her opponent the same question.
Speaker 4: Precisely, precisely so for me, that's not my ministry to
Speaker 4: do that. You know it isn't, But I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that ministry shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Exist for me.
Speaker 5: I saw that sentiment so much and I remember in
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen feeling there, and I've talked about it the show,
Speaker 5: very cocky, very Hillary gone, you know, Molly wopped his hole,
Speaker 5: like not thinking at all that it was going to
Speaker 5: be a contest. And so this time, because remember that
Speaker 5: episode aired when Joe Biden was still in the race,
Speaker 5: it was feeling very much like it was going in
Speaker 5: the direction of twenty sixteen. To me, it did not
Speaker 5: feel like twenty twenty. So I'm like, here are the
Speaker 5: things that I'm hearing from the randos in my family.
Speaker 5: My god brother was talking about supporting Trump until they
Speaker 5: came after his godsister. So I was hearing this stuff
Speaker 5: and I ain't give it Dan where it came from.
Speaker 5: I was hearing that so consistently, not as much as
Speaker 5: it got when we got closer to after Kamala was
Speaker 5: leading the ticket. Then I'm like, how are you staying
Speaker 5: Black people still supporting this? To like, you got your
Speaker 5: sister and they was like, hey, my sister.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, I'm so confused about this. But I
Speaker 6: wanted to be I didn't want to be open to.
Speaker 5: The perspective so that it persuaded me, but I wanted
Speaker 5: to be be sensitive, sensitive enough to hear it, because
Speaker 5: I wasn't at all in sixteen.
Speaker 3: So that was And I think that's the question.
Speaker 4: Be curious if if you're curious about it for yourself,
Speaker 4: I want to I want to understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: It's a different bucket than I'm going to platform this,
Speaker 4: you know, And.
Speaker 1: I think we had to think that video. I do
Speaker 1: think we had to platform the perspective. That's because I
Speaker 1: think it was real and the otherwise is to bury
Speaker 1: our head. But I think your point is obviously on
Speaker 1: that particular yeah point in this show, we had not
Speaker 1: platformed that perspective.
Speaker 5: Understand what's the way to platform it if it's not,
Speaker 5: because that's not our perspective.
Speaker 6: So do we bring in the Trump support.
Speaker 1: What they have to say?
Speaker 4: Thank you the guy in the audience in Atlanta who
Speaker 4: was talking about what he he had like some organization, young.
Speaker 1: Man he comes into contact with every week and basically
Speaker 1: is what the me is and we don't feel seen her.
Speaker 1: That is like to me, this guy's directly in front
Speaker 1: of us. The video of course, again it just felt
Speaker 1: like propaganda. It felt like they had spiced together a
Speaker 1: bunch of and by the way, these could have been
Speaker 1: real sentiments by real people expressed to me. Felt a
Speaker 1: little selling.
Speaker 5: Get that different too, because I've done men or women
Speaker 5: on the street like I did my my you know,
Speaker 5: do you know your black facts?
Speaker 6: And did do you know your politics? And walked up
Speaker 6: to people in the same way.
Speaker 1: So I didn't see that, But the randomness of that
Speaker 1: made me feel like there was no one you came
Speaker 1: in contact with who was black. We had a different
Speaker 1: perspective than the one you put in this video.
Speaker 6: And so it was in Chicago even more so.
Speaker 3: Then I think that reflects the difference in our backgrounds,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But also three hundred thousand fewer or maybe half a
Speaker 1: million fewer people Democrats voted in the city of Chicago.
Speaker 5: This is what I'm trying to tell you, Like, well,
Speaker 5: a lot of there were a lot of twenty twenty period,
Speaker 5: but twenty six I get.
Speaker 1: But overall still I want to see thember.
Speaker 5: From twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, just you know,
Speaker 5: just for that contrast. But I'm telling you there are
Speaker 5: members of Congress who have talked to before that we
Speaker 5: aired the video here and now who are overwhelmed by
Speaker 5: the number of black people who said they were either
Speaker 5: going to stay home or voting for Trump, all because
Speaker 5: of the migrant stuff, which was also propaganda.
Speaker 3: And yes, and I'm not saying that's not.
Speaker 5: People's real lived experience, but the way that it's being
Speaker 5: packaged and they force fed to us so that there's
Speaker 5: no room for nuance.
Speaker 4: Across social media and everything. But again, I just want
Speaker 4: to be crystal clear, it wasn't the sentiment I was
Speaker 4: applying newsroom sensibility and journalists where this isn't a newsroom,
Speaker 4: you know. But I think I always want to be
Speaker 4: very careful what I put out to people and know
Speaker 4: if I'm ever showing you something it's been veted. I
Speaker 4: made call, I've done it. This it did look like
Speaker 4: like Project veritized.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, check out a clip that we know
Speaker 1: what may up because it happened right here on the show.
Speaker 1: But nowhere near the government of the United.
Speaker 5: States been sitting down in the Old Office with the
Speaker 5: president what they have had, were letting down with the president.
Speaker 1: Can this man is guys, this isn't that. That's not
Speaker 1: the point. All I'm saying is we can go off.
Speaker 6: The the point.
Speaker 3: We can we can let me hear and let me.
Speaker 1: Hear what you have to say, Andrew, you can go
Speaker 1: off the cliffs clip and never ever ever get power again.
Speaker 1: You can, you can, you can. That isn't where we
Speaker 1: are because we have the beginning, he said, this was
Speaker 1: the last Angela. Angela, you are smart. However, your wisdom
Speaker 1: does not supplant that of all of the American people
Speaker 1: who went out and voted. And unfortunately I've had to
Speaker 1: subject myself to the same damn thing. You don't think
Speaker 1: I'm hurt. I felt awful, I felt humiliating. I'm going
Speaker 1: to finish my point. I guess what. We've known each
Speaker 1: other a long time. I mean, y'all, this woman dated
Speaker 1: my very best friend since.
Speaker 7: I mean my best friend since that point, you know,
Speaker 7: and after law school between That's all I'm simply saying
Speaker 7: is I've had a moderating me.
Speaker 1: Still living, We're still breathing. There's always opportunity. Listen. The
Speaker 1: point being, disagreement don't equal the end of a friendship
Speaker 1: or relationship, a love deep leadership. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: just anthemy between Angela and myself. I mean that fertifany
Speaker 1: and any other disagreements that occur on this platform, I
Speaker 1: think What surprises me about people's reaction to our disagreement
Speaker 1: is that I think they conclude that it's like, you
Speaker 1: know how I remember those bands when we were younger,
Speaker 1: and we were like, there was such great music. I
Speaker 1: was a super fan, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we hear they broke up and nobody ever knows why
Speaker 1: they broke up because their stuff didn't necessarily play out publicly. Well,
Speaker 1: we're not those bands, and you're not going to turn
Speaker 1: on the TV and there's a breakup, you know, in
Speaker 1: quite that way. But it people feel uncomfortable. Well, no,
Speaker 1: people feel uncomfortable about our disagreements to the point where
Speaker 1: I've heard people say, look, I just fast forward through it,
Speaker 1: or I turn it off and I'll pick up the
Speaker 1: next episode, or you know, something like that. And I
Speaker 1: love your care. But I do think that people need
Speaker 1: to be able to see disagreements happen. They also need
Speaker 1: to see reconciliation happens. That disagreements don't mean finality to
Speaker 1: anything until someone says it's final, and even then there's
Speaker 1: room for negotiation if they still draw breath, is my belief.
Speaker 1: But I think there is discomfort about it. Reason why
Speaker 1: I don't feel complete discomfort.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: What you may not have the benefit of looking at
Speaker 1: it is the personal conflict that exists on any regular
Speaker 1: day in and out of it. Right. That's another reason
Speaker 1: why I'm skeptical when people say, well, I would have
Speaker 1: done such and such and such and that situation because
Speaker 1: you're I would have done is absent our experiences up
Speaker 1: to this point. So you're I would have done will
Speaker 1: look different than mine because we don't share the same
Speaker 1: experience to this moment. But that is okay for that
Speaker 1: to happen, and it's okay for it to happen out
Speaker 1: loud and for us to be able to reconcile that.
Speaker 1: But I think that reconciliation also really should be out loud,
Speaker 1: just as the conflict is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the thing that's funny to me about
Speaker 5: like our fights, is there's always this I say to people,
Speaker 5: like even outside, they're like.
Speaker 6: That Andrew Man, he like, I can say this about Andrew.
Speaker 5: I don't know you, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: So I'll be like, just so we're clear, Andrew's not wrong.
Speaker 5: Andrew is like the eternal diplomat. He is always going
Speaker 5: to find some good in some person. Somewhere somehow. Now,
Speaker 5: every now and then it's somebody that.
Speaker 1: Crossed the diplomat piece. It's not a it's not a
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fit my perspective to a role.
Speaker 1: It is what I feel.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm not. Let me let me be. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that. I'm not saying that he's trying to
Speaker 6: fit a role. What I'm saying this is actually.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that it's performative
Speaker 5: at all. I'm just saying that Andrew is. I said
Speaker 5: this on the show. Andrew is a new Testament Christian.
Speaker 5: I am very old testament right until about turning the
Speaker 5: other cheak. I'll turn another cheek once and then you
Speaker 5: get slapped back. So it's and I will slap you
Speaker 5: harder for Andrew and Tiff.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing.
Speaker 6: So it's like I will I don't mind.
Speaker 5: People being involved in those parts of our conversations or
Speaker 5: even the conflict, or even picking sides.
Speaker 6: But when you go low on one of these two,
Speaker 6: I'm going lower. I promise you to platform can meet you.
Speaker 5: I'm backside, so no, but I will just say I
Speaker 5: think the thing that I appreciate about our conflict.
Speaker 6: Even when y'all let me yell.
Speaker 3: There was a there was a.
Speaker 6: Show we did where TIF was like, but why are
Speaker 6: you yelling? I said, I'm not hard or whatever.
Speaker 5: I said, I'm screaming, And it is you learn in
Speaker 5: therapy like some of these things go back to like
Speaker 5: childhood and you ain't feel heard somewhere.
Speaker 6: And I'm still clearly working through sixth grade.
Speaker 1: But you're not the only one. What I know about
Speaker 1: people and I know about myself is oftentimes when we
Speaker 1: are in argument, the thing that is driving and fueling
Speaker 1: what it feels like the passion of the real energy
Speaker 1: there sometimes isn't the thing we're talking about. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: something else. And all of that, at least for me,
Speaker 1: I have allowance for to a point, as we all
Speaker 1: have things to a point. But I think in our
Speaker 1: community particularly, we have to be able to show that
Speaker 1: disagreement doesn't mean finality, it doesn't mean the end.
Speaker 6: Do you know.
Speaker 5: The only other thing I want to say about this
Speaker 5: is this Joe Biden having Donald Trump in the White
Speaker 5: House thing.
Speaker 3: I still feel.
Speaker 5: Strongly about that because here's the only reason why, and
Speaker 5: it's maybe it's not the only here's the biggest reason
Speaker 5: why we literally were telling people the entire cycle, and
Speaker 5: I believe this still, that democracy was at stake and
Speaker 5: you can't say that the entity or the person in
Speaker 5: all of their backing that is behind this is now safe.
Speaker 3: And that is what you like.
Speaker 6: It's almost like he.
Speaker 5: Was welcoming him into America's home, one that taxpayers pay
Speaker 5: for and all that. You still may disagree, I get it,
Speaker 5: but I'll just say, like it may, I was mad
Speaker 5: at him because I felt like in so often we
Speaker 5: are forced to defend Joe Biden when Joe Biden I
Speaker 5: don't feel like has always protected us or even like
Speaker 5: like even with pardons and you know, all these things
Speaker 5: like the cash for Kids guy and all that, like
Speaker 5: all of that, and we're forced to defend you when
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be defended.
Speaker 6: And I'm just beyond it. And I think I've been
Speaker 6: beyond it for probably about four years, but I just
Speaker 6: I've never I can't anyway.
Speaker 1: So we still disagree, but that's the nature of it.
Speaker 1: Keep tuning in if do you still disagree.
Speaker 3: With him inviting him in the White House?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, Well, do we have to build consensus again
Speaker 1: on the to this next clip.
Speaker 6: He's over it. Let's roll this clip from Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Speaker 9: You can walk into a room like this where people
Speaker 9: cheer when you step onto the stage, and you might
Speaker 9: think for a second that you're kind of special. Then
Speaker 9: you go home and your kids remind you very quickly
Speaker 9: you're actually not that big.
Speaker 5: Of a deal.
Speaker 3: So my kids keep me humbled.
Speaker 9: Unfortunately, Kamala Harris doesn't have anything keeping her humble.
Speaker 4: Wow, I want to say some bad words.
Speaker 5: I really do, Tiff, And I think it's crazy because
Speaker 5: when I watched that the first time, I wasn't emotional,
Speaker 5: just angry now, like knowing my own IVF journey and
Speaker 5: what I've been.
Speaker 6: Through and to be childless, and it's not by choice.
Speaker 4: It's just mean.
Speaker 6: It's just it's really mean. And I just wish that.
Speaker 5: When they go through this journey of what it means
Speaker 5: to birth people, you know in this country, how much
Speaker 5: of a struggle it is, how much of a blind
Speaker 5: eye they turn to black maternal health or maternal health
Speaker 5: period with the blind eye they turned to the kids.
Speaker 5: Tipulate out all the data, Andrew you laid out the data,
Speaker 5: the personal experience you and Tip's own connection as children.
Speaker 3: To this issue.
Speaker 5: We have got to have a more holistic, nonpartisan approach
Speaker 5: to policy making for children and people who desire to
Speaker 5: have children, and you should not shame people who did not,
Speaker 5: who chose not.
Speaker 3: Or who can not have kids. I feel the same.
Speaker 1: I just cruelty was the point.
Speaker 3: Cruelty, that's the point.
Speaker 1: Cruelty was the point, and they're just cruel Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there are a lot of ways
Speaker 5: that if we could take a step back. My mom
Speaker 5: always talks about perspective taking and that being the greatest
Speaker 5: skill we can learn in life. I think our politics
Speaker 5: would be more friendly, our workplaces would be more friendly
Speaker 5: places of how our learning would be if we only
Speaker 5: took a step out of our shoes and into, you know,
Speaker 5: the shoes of others.
Speaker 1: Problem is the majority, the governing, the majority that exists.
Speaker 1: They don't have the they have the freedom never to
Speaker 1: have to look at it from another perspective. When your
Speaker 1: decision's final, when your decision is the one that will
Speaker 1: rule the day every time, why do I have to
Speaker 1: take a moment to hear where you come from. I
Speaker 1: do think that is an incredibly helpful skill, and there's
Speaker 1: one that we've all had to had to deepen into,
Speaker 1: not just develop, but really deepen into in professional work
Speaker 1: environments to have our way. Our listeners will relate to
Speaker 1: that they know what it means to go into a
Speaker 1: room that is opposed, and not just opposed, don't care
Speaker 1: enough to be opposed, but they care enough that their
Speaker 1: perspectives still will rule the day. So how do we
Speaker 1: communicate to a people to stop you where you are,
Speaker 1: say open your eyes and just see me clearly for
Speaker 1: a moment. And maybe if you see me and hear
Speaker 1: me clearly for a moment, you can understand the passion
Speaker 1: I bring to why that thing is so important. And
Speaker 1: if they care about you at a personal level, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you reach them. But I just I don't have
Speaker 1: a belief that Donald Trump, his crew and the like
Speaker 1: are ever going to take a pause and say, I
Speaker 1: wonder how that lands with how that sits with them
Speaker 1: if we do that. But I've never had that hope
Speaker 1: for them, So it doesn't happen. Now, okay, moment the
Speaker 1: only thought I had as I walked, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 1: There are no cameras, No one will ever see me
Speaker 1: this way. They can describe it, but my kids won't
Speaker 1: ever see these chains. It was the biggest source of
Speaker 1: embarrassment for me because I remember back to that story
Speaker 1: of me telling you all that I never wanted to
Speaker 1: make my mom cry for me get into trouble. It's
Speaker 1: all I could think of her seeing me. So they
Speaker 1: weren't there, and we go through the proceedings and the
Speaker 1: judge says, this is the United States of America versus
Speaker 1: Andrew Gill. I mean I wish, I wish I hadn't
Speaker 1: felt so emotional and expressive about it, but that was real.
Speaker 1: Why for me? Well, I mean it, you always in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes are always like could I have said
Speaker 1: that and just said it and not have felt like
Speaker 1: I come? You know, I came apart.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's so good you did that,
Speaker 5: Like I I honestly andrew it till I want to hear.
Speaker 3: What you said. Because this is a production group up.
Speaker 5: I guess I think it would be so dope for
Speaker 5: Andrew to have a show with folks who are like
Speaker 5: recovering politicians or who lost the race that they shouldn't
Speaker 5: have or whatever, where they are like, okay, now what
Speaker 5: do I do? And like the grief that hits you
Speaker 5: after the election because the voters are all like, I
Speaker 5: don't know what I'm gonna do now that you lies,
Speaker 5: You're like, bitcha, what about men?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: So I think it would be such a good conversation
Speaker 5: with him and others who have gone through that experience.
Speaker 6: I'm glad not that you came apart, but I'm glad
Speaker 6: that you were vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Enough to open up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean it was what it was.
Speaker 3: If you don't want him to do that, I want
Speaker 3: him to do that show.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think what would be interesting is even if it
Speaker 4: was somebody who lost the race and then later went
Speaker 4: on to win a race. It's about you know, what
Speaker 4: you did after defeat, So it doesn't have to be
Speaker 4: you know, people who aren't currently in public office, they
Speaker 4: might still be in public office. I think that's a
Speaker 4: good show.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the journey for all of
Speaker 1: this matters, which can apply to anybody in any sector,
Speaker 1: just happens to be a lot more public when you lose.
Speaker 1: The only thing I reflect on is the number of
Speaker 1: people who still you know, tell me how hurt and
Speaker 1: you know, mad or sad or disappointed because I always
Speaker 1: think like, do you really think that you are more
Speaker 1: that than I? Uh, they might they may think.
Speaker 3: They may think that, yeah, they.
Speaker 1: May think think the cost has been born largely by
Speaker 1: my household and people who I see and care, you know,
Speaker 1: care the most about.
Speaker 5: So that being said, sorry, this is I hope I
Speaker 5: won't be down a rabbit hole. But just one thing
Speaker 5: I thought about they after losing. I still say that.
Speaker 5: I know I probably sound like a trumper. I don't
Speaker 5: really care. I don't think Andrew really lost it. They
Speaker 5: would have counted all the ballots, but after losing, they
Speaker 5: then went on to indict you mm hmm, what do
Speaker 5: you think would have happened if you were in the
Speaker 5: governor's mansion?
Speaker 1: Have come sooner?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was inevitable.
Speaker 1: I think they they were out to period.
Speaker 6: To humiliate, like they would have all all the layers
Speaker 6: of it, all the layers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you thought about that.
Speaker 4: Oh I thought we talked about that, not on the
Speaker 4: podcast when it was like a ran and it wasn't
Speaker 4: a long conversation, but I remember telling you because somebody
Speaker 4: left a comment on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It was kind of mean, but I appreciate what they
Speaker 3: were trying to say.
Speaker 4: It was after you guys argued about the the Joe
Speaker 4: Biden walk, and Andrew's point was, I don't want to
Speaker 4: see what your point was, but you at some point
Speaker 4: in that conversation made the point like we pick up
Speaker 4: and we go on. And somebody made a comment and said,
Speaker 4: not Andrew telling us to pick up and go on
Speaker 4: when he still hasn't gotten back out there to help
Speaker 4: save us from this maniac in Florida. And there's so
Speaker 4: many comments like that, like what you out here doing?
Speaker 4: Podcasts like you see what's going? And Obama tweeted something
Speaker 4: during the Trump administration, and I will paraphrase the response,
Speaker 4: but he tweeted some random thing like oh today is
Speaker 4: like MLK, Dame Michelle and I are celebrated.
Speaker 3: And somebody responded to said, Ninja help.
Speaker 1: You know I get away. And I've shared with you
Speaker 1: privately and otherwise that I get that people. I feel
Speaker 1: I understand it to be sincere. But we're all very
Speaker 1: selfish in our in our own ways. And I keep
Speaker 1: when I have to compare whatever time I'm taking from
Speaker 1: my own repair work to the fact that I've been
Speaker 1: elected for more time that I've been on this earth, yes,
Speaker 1: than the total time I've been on this earth that
Speaker 1: that it has subtracted.
Speaker 6: It's so damn shallow.
Speaker 4: Today I've been elected for more times.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean if I went back to that's to
Speaker 1: a public book. But I mean, yeah, to be in
Speaker 1: service for as long as I don't have a memory outside. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: since third grade?
Speaker 3: Third grade?
Speaker 1: Excuse me, no, I mean I've just made you think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: In leadership running.
Speaker 1: Say to you, which is you're the leader. You have
Speaker 1: to be out there, you have to set the example.
Speaker 1: You have to do this, You have to do that.
Speaker 1: Those lessons have been imputing me from They're almost the
Speaker 1: only ones that I can really have real memory of.
Speaker 1: And so I get the sincerity of you might be
Speaker 1: contributing this way all most don't even say that you
Speaker 1: may not be. You may be contributing because you're lifting
Speaker 1: up the issues that we should be thinking about, but
Speaker 1: rather you're not sacrificing yourself laid right there on the
Speaker 1: front line. Yeah exactly. But if you're not that, then
Speaker 1: you're not contributing. Rebuke it, but I understand it.
Speaker 5: Do you feel do you feel after hearing that so
Speaker 5: many times? Not just in YouTube comments or on Instagram comments?
Speaker 5: Which I know you mostly ignore social media. But do
Speaker 5: you feel after now being back in the public eye
Speaker 5: on a like a bigger scale again with the podcast,
Speaker 5: do you feel compelled at all? Like do you feel
Speaker 5: poor into public service?
Speaker 1: No? Not in that way. I don't if I feel
Speaker 1: pulled in any way. It's about the things that are
Speaker 1: happening and the way in which it's showing up for
Speaker 1: the people I care about. But I don't. My default
Speaker 1: position is not now to let me go figure out
Speaker 1: what office I can hold that will best impact this.
Speaker 1: That isn't the default anymore, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: it ever will be. But should it ever become it,
Speaker 1: I believe that in my faith tradition that God is
Speaker 1: preparing me for. But whatever I want to read something, well,
Speaker 1: I whatever it is, I know that I'll be a
Speaker 1: lot more complete and full of person. Yeah, and doing
Speaker 1: whatever that thing is, I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, brother, proud of y'all.
Speaker 5: Before we even jump into the substance of the podcast,
Speaker 5: let's roll that clip.
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Speaker 4: Bad built, buch body what now?
Speaker 1: Oh what now?
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Speaker 10: bad built, bush body, please blind bad built, Please blind
Speaker 10: bad built, please blond bad built.
Speaker 3: Butch body. I'm just curious that.
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, that's where we're up against these days. We're
Speaker 5: up against a whole lot of beach blonde, bad built.
Speaker 4: You're about to say, but we want to replace one
Speaker 4: of those B words. But we can't stop in ourselves
Speaker 4: apologies because.
Speaker 2: You well come, well come, well come, well come, well come.
Speaker 6: We okay, y'all. So we have a very I'm anticipating
Speaker 6: a very busy year.
Speaker 3: Y'all know.
Speaker 5: We've been drinking out of fire hose is just trying
Speaker 5: to keep up with these cabinet picks.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I think it's gonna be a busy year, not
Speaker 5: just for politics on the federal level, but also state
Speaker 5: and local. There's gonna be some racial justice stuff we're
Speaker 5: fighting on every side. We see in corporations, roll back
Speaker 5: DEI efforts all of that. So as we look ahead,
Speaker 5: what roles shall we play in creating safe space but
Speaker 5: also challenging what's ahead?
Speaker 3: What do we think?
Speaker 4: I think one thing that I've been struggling with and
Speaker 4: just thinking about, because it's not always a struggle I
Speaker 4: feel like a broken record when I say, trying to
Speaker 4: cover this man is like trying to catch confetti, Like
Speaker 4: you can get so distracted in that that you lose
Speaker 4: the bigger picture. So I know, well, personally, I would
Speaker 4: like us to talk about overarching themes, not get so
Speaker 4: caught up in the chaos of this administration, because there's
Speaker 4: going to be a ton of it, you know, And
Speaker 4: by the time that this podcast airs, ten things have happened,
Speaker 4: you know. And that's intentional, Like they want to flood
Speaker 4: the news cycle with nonsense, so that is what people
Speaker 4: end up talking about. You chase this around and then
Speaker 4: while you're looking over here, this thing has happened. While
Speaker 4: you're looking at Jim Comey being fired, mandatory minimums are
Speaker 4: brought back, you know. And so I think one I
Speaker 4: want to focus on giving our people something to believe in.
Speaker 4: What does democracy look like to you? Another thing I
Speaker 4: want to focus on is big, big, big laws that
Speaker 4: are potentially changing, Like how are we protecting laws and
Speaker 4: then protecting our person? And I think a lot of
Speaker 4: that comes from our physical mental person, but also from
Speaker 4: a policy perspective that comes to your point from the
Speaker 4: state and local level. And you can actually impact policy
Speaker 4: at the state and local level a lot easier than
Speaker 4: you can at the federal level. So paying attention to
Speaker 4: what's below the fold, the things that the echo chambers
Speaker 4: are not discussing, informing people as much as opining, you know,
Speaker 4: like making sure people walk away armed with oh, I
Speaker 4: understand this issue better, which encourages action, It encourages participation,
Speaker 4: and then opening up the space more to hear from
Speaker 4: people more.
Speaker 3: We had a good idea the other day.
Speaker 9: What was it?
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I would like us to see to do
Speaker 4: if I'm if I'm previewing something, we're not ready for it,
Speaker 4: we'll cut it out. But a town hall with people
Speaker 4: who did not vote, yes, like vetted people we know,
Speaker 4: like we know y'all didn't vote, and we want to
Speaker 4: hear straight up from you. How do you feel about democracy?
Speaker 4: What would it take for you to participate? I would
Speaker 4: really love that and that might be an ongoing series.
Speaker 1: I think you said, no, that's that it was going
Speaker 1: to be like the thing that I think this year
Speaker 1: hopefully affords us the deepening into like what's real and
Speaker 1: what isn't I you know, I'll use for example, a
Speaker 1: lot of the news media has been talking about people's
Speaker 1: reactions to the really unfortunate murder that occurred in New
Speaker 1: York with the corporate healthcare CEO, and the fact that
Speaker 1: on TikTok and all these other platforms people are raising money.
Speaker 1: They're saying, you know, creating alibis. He couldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: He was with me, we were on a date, or
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And they're talking about how just you know, sinister,
Speaker 1: this feels and sounds and this is and that and third,
Speaker 1: and I keep thinking, you know, this is how the
Speaker 1: chasm starts. Like you're all the way over here on
Speaker 1: the sanctimonious regular folks are are are here, And I'm
Speaker 1: not ascribing regular folks being at the opposite perspective. But
Speaker 1: the fact is is the chasms have to like shrinking
Speaker 1: until they no longer exist. And it's important to me
Speaker 1: that that happened amongst our community more than more than anything.
Speaker 1: And it isn't for any political outcome that I'm concerned about.
Speaker 1: It's because I want to recognize who I'm in community with.
Speaker 1: I want to and if I say we're in community together,
Speaker 1: I want that to be true not just for me,
Speaker 1: but to be true for you. I can't claim you
Speaker 1: when you disagree with everything that I believe in and
Speaker 1: stand for, and I the same you know with you.
Speaker 1: So that deepening into what people what is driving where's
Speaker 1: the motivation? Is it about a check or is it
Speaker 1: about respect? Is it about you know? What does that
Speaker 1: look like? Also, while I I completely receive the point
Speaker 1: that this administration will be a bunch of stuff just happen,
Speaker 1: events being mistaken for progress, I know that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of that happening. But then on the
Speaker 1: real there's gonna be a lot of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's hard to warn people about what they're gonna miss, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I have this today and it's
Speaker 1: going to be taken from you because most of us,
Speaker 1: our minds won't be wrapped around the fact that it
Speaker 1: can really be taken from us. But ask women and
Speaker 1: men who understand reproductive health. I'm afraid about the what
Speaker 1: will be stripped from us. That will be taken and
Speaker 1: it won't be done in the bright lights of the camera,
Speaker 1: but in the midnight hours and when people aren't paying attention.
Speaker 1: That will reap real havoc on our community. So our
Speaker 1: ability to watch, see and guardrail on some of those things.
Speaker 1: And then I think, lastly for me, hopefully this year
Speaker 1: is going to be about us sort of having more
Speaker 1: of our interpersonal show up our you say, you know,
Speaker 1: tending to ourselves, tending to the health, the mental well being,
Speaker 1: health and care. I think we talked about that throughout
Speaker 1: this year. I hope we do a little bit more
Speaker 1: diving deeper into that to help people fill equipped with
Speaker 1: some tools on how to navigate this life we're living
Speaker 1: right now and to personally I need it, and I
Speaker 1: know that if that's true, that that's probably true for
Speaker 1: someone else too.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: I think the thing that I really am hoping for
Speaker 5: is more connection with our audience and people who will
Speaker 5: one day become audience, but they feel like NLP fam.
Speaker 5: I love if you bringing up the idea around the
Speaker 5: town halls. I want to do that so bad. I
Speaker 5: do want to do Battleground, but there are more folks
Speaker 5: than just Battleground, because as we talked about, it's not
Speaker 5: just our work that matters, it's our whole being and
Speaker 5: so really creating space for that.
Speaker 3: I also.
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to a lot more laughs with y'all.
Speaker 5: We have a good time on the show, whether it's
Speaker 5: talking about a bee for TIFFs, sports expertise, which reminds
Speaker 5: me welcome, yes, thank you on that.
Speaker 3: Who do you have for the Super Bowl? Oh man,
Speaker 3: where do I begin?
Speaker 1: You don't begin.
Speaker 3: I you know, there are so many I like what
Speaker 3: I see this season so far. I have to tell
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been a lot of yeah. Right, there's been
Speaker 4: a lot of good performance out.
Speaker 3: There, a lot of good, good, a lot of good,
Speaker 3: a lot of good.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say this year, I got the Falcons
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl bias for Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: Well, I was a minority owner of the Falcons, so
Speaker 3: he got out to.
Speaker 5: You know, doesn't have a conflict or anything. I was
Speaker 5: going to say, I got Kendrick, So I do.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 5: Want to just shout out there have been a lot
Speaker 5: of great things that happen this year. One of my
Speaker 5: favorites is the Kendrick Lamar album After the beef. There
Speaker 5: was a whole album and him putting all the West
Speaker 5: Coast rappers and making sure that they got they shine.
Speaker 5: I have bumped the album NonStop, consistently. And I will
Speaker 5: also just say that this podcast in so many ways
Speaker 5: saved my life, and it matters to me that folks
Speaker 5: feel connected to us, whether they agree or disagree, that
Speaker 5: they have a space to call home every single week.
Speaker 5: And so I'm grateful for you all for taking this
Speaker 5: journey and ride, and I'm looking forward to the roller
Speaker 5: coaster that will be twenty twenty five, for those projects,
Speaker 5: for a thousand developments, for its climate changing, and for
Speaker 5: maybe a lot of good stuff that comes out of this.
Speaker 6: Sometimes black folks organize the best in terror.
Speaker 3: So we've been in again.
Speaker 4: So I really I need some sunshine coming here on
Speaker 4: every level, on every level, I love it.
Speaker 5: Well, Welcome home, y'all year, Thank you so much for
Speaker 5: listening everybody. As always, we want to remind you to
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Speaker 5: and Andrew Gillum. Happy New Year. There are six hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy days until the midterm elections.
Speaker 3: Morning.
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