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Speaker 1: It is just me. Samantha is off doing.

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Speaker 2: Some family stuff, but I thought, you know what we

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Speaker 2: as this comes out another classic horror trilogy.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's pretty recent.

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Speaker 2: So this was the Spoiled Saturdays on Fear Street. And

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Speaker 2: there has been a new film to this series. I

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Speaker 2: But this was a really fun one and we do

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Speaker 2: So hopefully if you're looking for some horror movies, we

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Speaker 2: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and

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Speaker 2: Spoiled Saturdays. Today we are going to be talking about

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Speaker 2: the Afear Street trilogy which is on Netflix. So if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be spoiled, then I suggest that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really really fun. I grew up reading Goosebumps.

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Speaker 2: The Fear Street Trilogy is an American horror series based

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Speaker 2: bombed to sound so trite, but I I was like, oh,

433
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: and then just hearing the narrative around shady Side and

434
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: shady Ciders as like, oh, well they bought it.

435
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: They were selling drugs.

436
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: It was at their fault, right, was very upsetting, and

437
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: I think that that's it's a mark again that they

438
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: did a good job of making you care about these characters.

439
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: One of the biggest twists for me was they did

440
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: a they did an excellent little trickery in the second

441
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: one where you think see Berman is Cindy the whole time, right,

442
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: because Gilli and Jacob's hair is brown when you see her,

443
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: and Cindy's hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman,

444
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: her hair is red.

445
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: And so that was one of the biggest like for me.

446
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's let's get into some of the themes.

447
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I think one of the big ones it makes me

448
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: sad that this is still something I'm like, oh wow.

449
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: But the fact that they centered the relationship between Dina

450
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so much surprise

451
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: to me.

452
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of.

453
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: The scenes that sticks out to me the most is

454
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: when I think it's in the second one when Dina

455
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love

456
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: her like just simply is like I love her, like

457
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: I can't just abandon her.

458
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: I love her, right, And it was pretty I thought

459
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: it was pretty well done.

460
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: And to see it play out as the centerpiece of

461
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive

462
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: friendships and.

463
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Stuff, it was nice.

464
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: And to see it go all the way back to

465
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: sixteen sixty six.

466
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: Sort of love story through the ages.

467
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: Love story through the ages. Yes.

468
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons is we mentioned that Dina

469
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: and Sam broke up was that Sam was closeted, like

470
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of

471
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: part one and she kind of comes out publicly at

472
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: the end of part one in nineteen ninety four. So

473
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: to see their relationship and the struggles of that and

474
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know,

475
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: I just found it pretty pretty refreshing.

476
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they were baiting you or anything.

477
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: It just felt like, oh, no, these characters, they're in love,

478
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: and it felt.

479
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: Very they're just in a relationship and they're fighting industry.

480
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

481
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 3: Of course, they do kind of do the twist of

482
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: like you think that they're mad about them being with

483
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: the boy, and that they're like at the very beginning,

484
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: they do kind of try to do that to throw

485
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: you off but it doesn't feel like this is not

486
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: from a melgaze.

487
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: No, And like if you go back to the sixteen

488
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: sixty six.

489
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: But even in present day, because I think they were

490
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: very clever in the actors they cast in who like

491
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: who did nineteen ninety four Simon play in and.

492
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: Sixteen sixty six.

493
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: That you have these scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash

494
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Dina and Sam kind of pissing off these men, men

495
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: who were getting angry at being rejected, that they're not

496
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: of interest to these women, and that sort of being

497
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: the whole thing or part of the whole thing that

498
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: led to them being accused of witchcraft was just these

499
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: men were mad that they got rejected. And then there

500
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: was that whole scene of when they were checking it

501
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: was women primarily checking women for Marx in sixteen sixty six.

502
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: It was just like so humiliating, like they were taking

503
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: off their clothes and looking for Marx on them. These

504
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: ways of asserting dominance, of power, of humiliating these women

505
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: when they felt so angry that they had been rejected

506
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: by these women. Right, and then on top of that

507
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: we talked about this before too, just the like men

508
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: trying to keep power was throughout and all of this

509
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: with the Good family, but also yeah, certainly in sixteen

510
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: sixty six, where they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy

511
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: and how that is assumed it must be is a

512
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: wish or an outsider or something bad, and therefore we

513
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: can blame everything on them, and we can kill them,

514
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: we can hang them, and things will be better.

515
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: I think I appreciate that a depiction of witchcraft in

516
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: meaning like, hey, it wasn't these women and they just

517
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: use witchcraft as a way of like getting rid of

518
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: problematic what they see as women who don't abide by

519
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: normal standards. And so I thought that was interesting too,

520
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: and a light that they twisted it like that.

521
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a really good tape because

522
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: we've talked about that before. We talked about that in

523
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: The Bitch, where at the end she becomes a witch

524
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: because that's the only opportunity and available left to her,

525
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: like that's the only thing, And it was similar in this,

526
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: like Sarah was so desperate to say Hannah that she

527
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: was willing to, you know, make this pact and engage

528
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: in dark magic, black magic, but that was like the

529
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: last path left to her after they'd been accused and

530
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: no one would believe them that it wasn't them. And

531
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: then and the very end before she's hanged, when she's like, oh, yeah,

532
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm the witch.

533
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm the witch.

534
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: She did that to save the person she loves, so

535
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: they kind of pushed her into this path. Meanwhile, it's

536
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: a man the whole time doing the actual witchcraft. Hello yeah,

537
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: and uh, then you see the town blaming this wish,

538
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: blaming Sarah Fear for everything bad that's ever happened to them.

539
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: So it was nice to see like the discovery of

540
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't her.

541
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting

542
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 3: everybody know what was happening, which does apply to us.

543
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: That happens a lot.

544
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

545
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: And just sort of the like biases we have where

546
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name

547
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: I said his name is because his whole name is

548
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: because they have this whole like good is evil thing

549
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: at the end, yes, and then Fear yeah, yeah exactly,

550
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: and her name is Fear and just sort of those

551
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: things where we go in believing, oh she was a woman,

552
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: she was a witch, it must have been her or

553
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good.

554
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Can't be him?

555
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: Can't be him?

556
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: So does you? That flip is pretty rewarding.

557
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 2: And then, as we've talked about before, there's also the

558
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: theme of persecution throughout of Witches of Queerness, any outsiders,

559
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: because shady ciders are basically seen as outsiders, right, That's

560
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: how the town is painted, and the way people talk

561
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: about them is very like they're expendable.

562
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: They brought it on themselves.

563
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: They can't just conform, and so it's their fault whatever's

564
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: happening to them. That's why the Witch is coming for them.

565
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes, yes,

566
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on last

567
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes on

568
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: this listener.

569
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: So y'all, it's a doozy.

570
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: It is quite a doozy. But just this.

571
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: In sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt like they

572
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: couldn't be themselves and if they were true of themselves,

573
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: you'd be persecuted. And then it was this thing that

574
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: you felt like you had to punish yourself for, Like

575
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: if I just punish myself or if I feel guilty enough,

576
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: maybe I won't be queer anymore, or maybe I won't

577
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: sin in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this religion that

578
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 2: they were all steeped in, that they all believed in,

579
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth. I

580
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: would say, I don't think we talk about that enough either.

581
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: That it's very like, oh, you young people.

582
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was

583
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit

584
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: from from your right.

585
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

586
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: But there's a scene in in part one where Sam

587
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: Anddina go to the police and obviously Nick good when

588
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: you know how the ending goes, he had an ulterior motive,

589
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: but they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of

590
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: an unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive.

591
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: And one of the cops says to them, go find

592
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: your boyfriends. Tell them you need to relax.

593
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

594
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I was like, I'm ready to punch this dude.

595
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Now tell them you need to relax. Oh gross, gross,

596
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: gros gross. And then I think there's a lot to

597
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: unpack up the whole shady side versus sunny vil thing.

598
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a lot of.

599
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege and

600
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: legacy and this sort of idea of like the narrative

601
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: and you can't escape things that follow you.

602
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Things follow you.

603
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: So there's just so much of this feeling from people

604
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: on Shady Side like, oh, it's going to hang on

605
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: to me forever.

606
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be able to escape this.

607
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: And that's also the narrative they're getting fed, is like

608
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: you can't get out of shady Side. So you have

609
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: like Kate and Simon selling drugs to save the get out.

610
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: You have Dina who sort of accepted this like doom

611
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: of shady Side.

612
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: You have Sam who quote got.

613
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: Out and is now you know, an outsider to them.

614
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: Just all of these instances where we see people feeling

615
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: like they're trapped in this situation. And then like you

616
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: got Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed her personality, like

617
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: she won't swear, she got a polo, she tries to

618
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend that is also

619
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: have implied that she didn't really like at all, right,

620
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: and she did all of that because it's like she

621
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: wanted to escape shady Side. But the it's it feels

622
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: like the message then is you can do everything right,

623
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: but the systems in place betray you and blame you.

624
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: And it's true, like you have.

625
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: The authorities, the authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing

626
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: you so they can be rich and wealthy and happy,

627
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: and you're getting blamed for it even if you do

628
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 2: everything right right.

629
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever

630
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: they are going after has a connection to someone that

631
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them.

632
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: What is wrong with you?

633
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

634
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 3: I thought that, like he does the first one does,

635
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship. Maybe that

636
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: was out of jealousy, let's be honest. So maybe that

637
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: was out of jealousy. Actually several of these could be

638
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 3: out of jealousy, to be fair. But like he does

639
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: the father of the daughter that your crush, I guess

640
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: the best way to say it is linked to or.

641
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: But he doesn't know that. He just thinks they're best friends.

642
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: So I'm like, why would you do this? Why would

643
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: you Obviously he's gonna be in that proximity so she

644
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: might get killed. What the hell? Man?

645
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think That's a good point though, that a

646
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: lot of them were either and both not thought through

647
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: or it was out of jealousy, because I think Solomon

648
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: did have a thing for Sarah, and I think right

649
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: when she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll

650
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: share it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's

651
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: the witch, even though he also was scared because she

652
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: coult out him, but like, right, and then.

653
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: No one would believe her who's already been accused of

654
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: being the witch.

655
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: It's true, It's true.

656
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it does have to do

657
00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: with with jealousy, and that wasn't theme of dudes being

658
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: real mad women didn't do what they wanted them to do,

659
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: all right, But yeah, that's certainly certainly something I picked

660
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: up on as well, and I did I did want

661
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: to include We talked about this earlier already, but I

662
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: did want to include the line like when Sarah says,

663
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, they think they're guilty, so we are. They

664
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: want a witch, I'll give them a witch. And that's

665
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: that same idea of we're forcing there's only one way

666
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: to move forward for these women when they've been persecuted,

667
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: is like you were making in this in this case,

668
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: they made the witch that they wanted, They made the

669
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: scapegoat that they wanted, which.

670
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: Is, and tell me if I'm wrong, most of the

671
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: movies that I've seen that are supposed to be historically

672
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially,

673
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches.

674
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: So if they say that are not and deny it,

675
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: they're going to be tortured until they say yes, and

676
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: then they'll be put out of their misery essentially in

677
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: a horrible death. So it was kind of like, what

678
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: did you want from that? Yeah?

679
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's one of those things about those

680
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: the like Salem witch trials.

681
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: Where you know, they throw you in the water. If

682
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: you float, you're a witch. If you drown, you're not

683
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: a witch. But then you're dead.

684
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: You're dead. So what's better man?

685
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Exactly?

686
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: And then another thing I wanted to touch on in

687
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: these is I did think they showcased a lot of

688
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: really supportive friendships that were refreshing.

689
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: I love in part one.

690
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: When they all decide to stand up and to stand

691
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: with Sam even though she had recently broken up with Dina.

692
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: They were kind of mad at her, but they in

693
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself, like, no,

694
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: were going to fight with you, And I just thought

695
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: that was so nice. I'm so sad that they died

696
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: in the fight, but it was just nice to see

697
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: that they all came together and we're like, no, one

698
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: of us is in trouble.

699
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: We're all going to fight together to come up with

700
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: this plan.

701
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: And then they die horrible death and the brother gets

702
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: to hook up with a hot girl, which I was like,

703
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: that was unnecessary, but okay, whatever, but then she dies, yeah,

704
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: and then they forget her.

705
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

706
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: Well that I couldn't figure out because at first I

707
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: was like, so Simon and Cater together and I was like, oh,

708
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: it's so Kate and Josh. But then I was like,

709
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: this is Josh much younger than her. I don't know

710
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: what's going on.

711
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how much younger. I think they're still teens.

712
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: Both of them are in teens, so it's not like

713
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: it's still weird because when you think of high school,

714
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, I would never as a as

715
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: a junior. We never dine a freshman or so, you

716
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean, unless it was a girl, a

717
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: younger girl with an older boy. That was okay, such

718
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: a weird complex.

719
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Weird, it's something to pack in the future episode As

720
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: the whole thing, there were there were some threads of betrayal,

721
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: especially if you are talking about men betraying women, uh

722
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: in their lives of like Nick Good, I guess sort

723
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: of being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died but

724
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: you know, was still wanting to be in her life,

725
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: or Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like

726
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: that there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping

727
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: each other. So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first,

728
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: in the end she ends up like really leaning in

729
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: and really being there, like I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna

730
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: fight this guy.

731
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: And you know, in remembrance of her sister and who

732
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: she lost and of Alice, and.

733
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: Right, well, I think she's also mad because she got tricked.

734
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, like he killed people, he did, and

735
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: she was grim opened up to him, yes, right, oh absolutely,

736
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: But it was nice to see like uh and and honestly,

737
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: like even Sarah Fear kind of reaching out over the all.

738
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: This time, like I'm still I'm going to get this guy.

739
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this guy's.

740
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: Like, I'm going to show everyone everyone, but they just

741
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: didn't get the message. It was convoluted.

742
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in

743
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: that way.

744
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: Well, yes, well Juwan maybe not the Grudge, but I

745
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: think Juan is the one where she's actually trying to

746
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: warn them that the bad dudes.

747
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: No, she still takes the she takes the one girl

748
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: in the bed. It was her.

749
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: Well, in the Grudge, it's her in.

750
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: The it's her too. It's her face that you see

751
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: in the covers.

752
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember.

753
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: I just know she's like the warning before the guy

754
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: comes to kill you. But everybody thought she was the warning.

755
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: Everybody thought she was the actual person.

756
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: So maybe I'll have to go back and look at

757
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the

758
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: Japanese version, when she looks in the comforts as her

759
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: as well and then she gets sucked in. So unless

760
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: they don't show that and they just imply it, but

761
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: that would be the same implication in the original American

762
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: Grudge with Sarah. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like that

763
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: is not.

764
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: No.

765
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: I feel like there's several of the like, oh my god,

766
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: we tried to tell you. I mean, there's episodes like

767
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: in Supernatural where they have that where the sister is

768
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: trying to warn about the other sister. They think it's

769
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: her because she's the one that's coming out. They burn

770
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 3: her body. Same thing with the mother trying to keep

771
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: the the meta episode where there's a Supernatural conference m

772
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: and it turns out that the mother was trying to

773
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: keep the children at bay and she killed them because

774
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: he killed they had killed her son, and you don't

775
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: know the until after the fact.

776
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it.

777
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: It's a what did a common theme, and I think

778
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: a lot of it does rely on, as we said earlier,

779
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: that sort of knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so

780
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: it's her, like, we don't guess the benefit of the doubt,

781
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: we don't question any further, we don't investigate any further.

782
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: So it was nice to see in this that.

783
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: They were like, wait a minute, we should look into

784
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: this a bit more.

785
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: She didn't do She just ended up touching.

786
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Her exactly exactly, and then I did. I did like.

787
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: The sisterhood between Yah, Ziggy and Cindy because they were

788
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: very different people. And their relationship was complex, but I

789
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: liked that in the end Cindy was like, it's I

790
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: am here for you. You are the person that I

791
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: want to be, I want to be with, and then

792
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: seeing them reconcile. And I also liked seeing Cindy and

793
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Alice reconcile, even though unfortunately Alice died soon.

794
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: After, but I like to see the reconcile.

795
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: There's so many things, of course, the ins and outs

796
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: of high school and being perfect that was a whole

797
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: different conversation in itself, and losing yourself because you're trying

798
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: you really think your situation is the problem, which I

799
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: think a lot of people think that in general, it

800
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: could be true. I don't they forget who they're leaving

801
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: behind as well.

802
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: I thought they did a pretty great job of portraying

803
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: the difficulties of that age and now the growing pains

804
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: of that age, and how that can impact your relationships

805
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: with your friends or your siblings or.

806
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: What have you.

807
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: I also like your take on the fact that Zig,

808
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: the person who plays that character, plays that same character

809
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: in Stranger Things.

810
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

811
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: When I was watching Stranger Things, I was like, is

812
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died, what

813
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: was resurrected, and so now it's okay, oh wow, she is,

814
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: but she's.

815
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: Not dead yet. She's not resurrected quite yet.

816
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Spoilers for a stranger face, oh dear.

817
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

818
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: And I just had to throw out there as somebody

819
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: who grew up with ekonomic code, I did appreciate the

820
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: economic code up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Oh,

821
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: the code they're saying at the end. So like if

822
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: you start like Hell three, for instance, and you just

823
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: put that in the menu, you win the game automatically.

824
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: Really mm hmm, the economic code. Yeah, I love it.

825
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: I love the mention of it. I loved my nineties nostalgia.

826
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: It was very fun.

827
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: You should.

828
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if this is your thing, campy, slasher, fun

829
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: horror movies, but they are horror movies and they do

830
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: get kind of Cory does.

831
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes also, and apparently,

832
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: by the way, as we were talking about rl Stein,

833
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: he said that that was a smart way to go,

834
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: because that's the only way he can end his books

835
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: or the fans rebel. So there you go.

836
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it.

837
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, then we recommend it, and for anybody out

838
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: there who has any suggestions on what we should do

839
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: for future Spoiled Saturdays, other horror movies we should watch.

840
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Any thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or

841
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: the books.

842
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: Oh, remind me of the books because I've missed those books.

843
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: I think I need to go behind them.

844
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, or your favorite goosebumps books. All of these things.

845
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Speaker 2: You can contact us via email. Our email is Stephanie

846
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: mom Steph at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us

847
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: on Twitter at momsa podcast or on Instagram at Stuff

848
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: I've Never Told You. Thanks as always to our super

849
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: producer Chris do you no, thank you, and thanks to

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