1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: We are on every day from one until four o'clock. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: After four o'clock, it's John Cobelt Show on demand, it's 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: the podcast on the iHeart app. We covered the Rob 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: and Michelle Reiner press conference about their murders live first 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: hour of the show. If you want to hear that, 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: and it's entirety. Nathan Hakman, the district attorney, leveled the 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: two first degree murder charges with the possible death penalty 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: on the table. And we also had Royal Oaks on 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: in the second hour to discuss the legal aspects of 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: you know, why is it first degree not second degree? 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: How manslaughter plea could be involved in this case? So 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: you want to hear all of that, it's the iHeart app. 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's Show on Demand. Now onto another attorney, Mark Arragus. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Mark Arragos is getting into the Pacific Palisades case. He 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: has a homeowner who's filing a lawsuit against City of 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: La County of La LA's DWP and Mayor Karen Bass 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: over all the failures before, during, and after the fire. 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Let's get Mark Garragos on how are you, Mark. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: I'm wonderful. How about you? How are you today? 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm doing well? What going on? 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: What you're not kidding? 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: Well, you're a client. What was his situation in the fire? 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: What happened to him? 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's one of these situations where at least at 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: first you thought, well, at least the structure was spared, 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: but then you see what's happened since then surrounding the area, 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: and what a disaster it's been, and then all of 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: the subsequent kind of looking at this thing, and it 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: just looked like it was a lights run and nobody 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: was home. In terms of minding the story here, I 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: don't even understand the gives credit to the Feds for 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 3: doing a report, give credit to the fire department, And 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: we're based in a fire station in downtown LA and 36 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 3: I've always paying attention to them, and they were early 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 3: money on all of the problems with the city and 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: what the city wasn't doing. And it's just a I 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: would say it was a comedy of airs, but it's 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: been a complete tragedy for everybody involved. Polis, which is 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 3: the mayor and them kind of dealing with it said, 42 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: you've documented better than anybody. 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am still stunned, even after talking about this 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: for a year, that those those weather warnings were so 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: strong for you, five six days ahead, extreme fire warnings, 46 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: extreme wind warnings. They used all the apocalyptic language you 47 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: could find in the dictionary the National Weather Service did 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: in order to describe what potentially could happen. And I'm 49 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: not aware of any preparation meeting that anybody in the 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: LA government had to address what was gone. 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 3: I don't even understand it. I mean, I really don't. 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: You You rely on the government for some basic functions, 53 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: and the idea is that they're supposed to protect you, 54 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: and it's almost as if they did everything possible to 55 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: not protect And that's just very disconcerting. And I'm looking 56 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: forward to the discovery in this case. I think the 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: discovery matty people on their own and requiring, you know, 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: the after reports and what was done in real time, 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: and the kinds of clearing palls that were done were ignored. 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: You know, I got a lot of friends in the Palisades. 61 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: It's next door to me, and we were affected to 62 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: the extent that we lost our power and we couldn't 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: use the water. And then the thieves on our neighborhood 64 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: because there were no police. I mean, there's no power, 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: there's no water, there was no police. But we didn't 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: Our neighborhood didn't burn. We were a couple of miles away. 67 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: But I remember thinking in the middle of it, it's like, Wow, 68 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: this is a complete collapse of the government. You're really 69 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: on your own. And we had to hire a guy 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: who was somebody's electrician in the neighborhood, and he had 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: a pistol and we were paying him, along with a 72 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: couple of neighbors, one thousand dollars a day to stand 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: outside and shoot any of the looters that might come 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: on our property. 75 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: That's what That's well, that was our reality. 76 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: I like you, I was out to data adjacent and 77 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: we were evacuated. I my spent of anecdotal theory or 78 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: off the wall theory. Is the only reason that the 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: fire didn't jump and hit us is because JPL was 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: right there and they weren't going to let that burn. 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: But they be looting the home invasions immediately after, and 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 3: we did the same thing. All the neighbors banded together 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: a kind of are narrow and private police force in 84 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: order to police the neighborhood, and you start to realize 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: that the social contract is very, very fragile. And this 86 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: exposed exactly all of the problems with the government in 87 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: not being prepared. It's the one thing that they literally 88 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: were doing. 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is they don't care? 90 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: I will, I think to some degree now I just 91 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: can't accept the fact that people don't care, and just 92 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: I don't think that that is it. I think that 93 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: I think when you say lazy, I think of it 94 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: as intellectually lazy. I think that it's that you have 95 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: to be prepared, you have to understand these things that 96 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: you have to have pe of systems and advicement was 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: obvious that there were no systems, or whatever systems were 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: in place were completely ignored. It's the intellectual lazy or 99 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: the system challenges. 100 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: And everything failed, the preparation, the execution, and the reaction 101 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: to the fire afterwards, and on a state level and 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: county and city. I mean, everything failed, and I didn't 103 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: think that was possible. 104 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: Well, and you know the I often invoke Adam Corolla. 105 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: He's the longtime friend, one time the best partner of mine, 106 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: was invallible and has been documenting in his laws and 107 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: the predictions that he was making and they've all basically 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: come true. It's looked like kind of a profit in 109 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: some ways, saying when people understand the jump through again 110 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: a permit, what you have to do in order to 111 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: get todig navigate the governmental it's astonishing and it's played 112 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: out exactly that way. Here we are knocking on the 113 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: door of a year and where's the rebuild? As anything? 114 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: There just is. The non responsiveness is apalling, and it's 115 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: just I think people have to be held accountabus. 116 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 2: So who do you want to talk to the most? 117 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: What departments or what officials do you want to depose 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: for your client's loss? 119 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: Really, I really think I want to get into the 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: fire department and the mayor's office and the emergency response. 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: I want to find out who actually was responsible, who 122 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: didn't want the trigger so to speak on getting some 123 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: to your point, I mean not only preparation, but right 124 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: in the after, and that is exactly what we want 125 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: to find out. What I think we've kind of detailed 126 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: in the lawsuit as to what we see so far, 127 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: what we've toddled together from the various reports, and we'll 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: plan on doing an expansive discovery deep dive into this 129 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: and to make it like once we get through it 130 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: as we're doing it, But. 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Why do your client decide to call you for an 132 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: individual lawsuit rather than join the thousands that are working 133 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: with the other attorneys. 134 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: Now, it's interesting because early on I was I did 135 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: what's called a nine to ten action for them because 136 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: they suspected that and others as well, that this was 137 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: a governmental failure, like you thought, and so we filed 138 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: what it called nine ten actions early on, which were denied. 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 3: Nine tens are the what the legislature is imposed a 140 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: duty that you file and you get denied doing almost 141 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: routinely by the governmental entities to hold them accountable they 142 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: I think because I'd got a history of the fulling 143 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: up against the government, whether it's for civil rights actions 144 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: or other things, and this one a very cost and 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: governmental failure. That's one of the things that attracted me 146 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: in new litigation. 147 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: All right, Well, well, when you find things out, and 148 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: if you want to share anything from your investigations and depositions, 149 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: please always come on the air, because we're looking for 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: as much information as possible to explain why these people 151 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: did or didn't do everything. I mean I can't think 152 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: of one thing that any level of government did right 153 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: and did competently in the whole mess. 154 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: And still take a look like, yeah, don't totally me 155 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: go take a look. It's wild when you look at it. 156 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: We're almost a year out or a couple of weeks 157 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 3: away from the year anniversary, and the devastation is still unbelievable. 158 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: All right, Mark, thanks for coming on, Thank you, Bye bye. 159 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: All right, Mark Geragos, who's got a client who's suing 160 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: everybody La City County, the mayor, DWP over the damage 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: his house suffered from the fire. And when we come back, 162 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: would you believe this? UCLA has something called the Water 163 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: Resources Group, and the researchers have done their own study 164 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: on whether the reservoirs would have made a difference if 165 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: the one hundred and seventeen million gallon reservoir Sentienez Reservoir 166 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: in the Palace, would it have made a difference. It 167 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 2: was if it was full instead of bone dry empty. 168 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: You're not going to believe their answer. I'll tell you 169 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: about it we come back. You're listening to John Cobelt 170 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: on demand from KFI AM six forty. 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It's researchers led 179 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: by Gregory Pierce, and almost within I think I mentioned this. 180 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: We had Rick Caruso on the day after the fire, 181 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: very shortly thereafter, and he said in passing and I 182 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: didn't even catch it, but he was talking. He already 183 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: identified all a lot of the stuff that had gone 184 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: wrong with the anticipation and execution of fighting the fire, 185 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: and he said something about the reservoirs were dry, and 186 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know what that meant, and we just moved 187 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: on to something else, and then it turned out he 188 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: was talking about the Santienez Reservoir one hundred and seventeen 189 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: million gallons it's supposed to hold, and it was empty. 190 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: And that became a huge focal point of the anger 191 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: and the outrage because the La Times did a big 192 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: story detail how they drained it because the cover had 193 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: torn and it took them a year to replace. The 194 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: cover didn't cost very much money. It wasn't a difficult job. 195 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: It was just the inertia, the stupid laziness of government 196 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 2: workers at the DWP. 197 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't know else. We were just talking with Mark Erragos, like, 198 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: what is it? 199 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: What is it with the government workers? Nobody prepared for this, 200 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: nobody executed. This was all doable, This was all preventable. 201 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? People? 202 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: When you get up in the morning you decide not 203 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: to do anything, but periodically the reservoir would come, you know, 204 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: be a debate point and people, you know whatever, plants 205 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: the best administration had online in the comments section. 206 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: Let's say at the La Times. 207 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: Well, the reservoir wouldn't have made a difference all the reservoir. 208 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: Of course, it would make a difference. And as I 209 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: talked to people involved in the fire, and I mentioned 210 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: the other day, I talked to a guy who prevented 211 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: his home and two other neighbors homes from burning because 212 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: he had two and a half inch hose and he 213 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: used I think swimming pool water and he kept the 214 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: roofs wet, and they survived the fire, where other homes 215 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood did not. Two and a half inch 216 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: shows he'd had it because a fire had burned down 217 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: his family home back in the nineteen seventies when he 218 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: was a little kid, and so he always kept the 219 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: fire a hose on the property just in case. And 220 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: he said, nobody showed up to fight the fire, and 221 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: firefighters would say, well, we're out of water. We're out 222 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: of water. So now here comes Gregory Pierce, director of 223 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: the UCLA Water Resources Group, that wanted to decide whether 224 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: the intense focus on the water supply meant that the 225 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: dry high dance had uniquely hampered the Palisades firefight or 226 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: whether this happened all the time. And they claim that 227 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: the hydrants often sputter out because you lose pressure. You 228 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: have the burning homes hamorrhaging water. Right the pipes are 229 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: melting down and busting, and then there's too many fire 230 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: truck hoses and everybody else drawing on a limited supply. 231 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: And the report says fire hydrant performance in the Palisades 232 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: seems to represent the rule rather than the exception. The 233 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: only difference is that the hydrant performance did not make 234 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: the headlines of news stories of other fires. Even though 235 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: there's plenty of water available in the system, it's not 236 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: possible to pump enough water to the fire area all 237 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: at once to meet the flow rate demand. Even if 238 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: the Yes Santienez Reservoir had been full, the hydrants could 239 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: not have maintained pressure. I don't and that last quote 240 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: was from the state investigation. Now, that just makes no 241 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: sense to me. If everybody's using the water at the 242 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: same time and that reduces the water pressure. But if 243 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: you have one hundred and seventeen million gallons constantly flowing 244 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: into the system, it's going to extend the life of 245 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: their fire fighting capabilities. 246 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: And if it is. 247 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: The lack of water pressure, then how could Los Angeles 248 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: have for one hundred years, and we've had a number 249 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: of fires over the years. How could you have a 250 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: system that doesn't work when you need it most. How 251 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: could that be the standard fire hydrant system that we've 252 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: been living with all this time? How does that happen? 253 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: Nobody ever designed a better system to supply enough water 254 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: for a major fire. Nobody ever thought of it, Nobody 255 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: drew it up, nobody voted to pay for it. 256 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: I don't understand this. 257 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: Well, then where would one hundred and seventeen million gallons go, right, 258 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: It would come out of the reservoir, it would go 259 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: through the system. 260 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: They had three. 261 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: Million gallons available, three separate tanks that were full, and 262 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: they used that. And even if much of the town 263 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: would have burned anyway, they would alway, said somebody that 264 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen million gallons would have saved somebody 265 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: a lot of somebody's. 266 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm just. 267 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: The reservoir was there. It was built nineteen sixty four 268 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: specifically for a fire. So you're telling me they built 269 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: a reservoir. But it didn't matter if it was filled 270 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: or not. And it didn't matter if we had ten 271 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 2: reservoirs or twenty reservoirs. It didn't matter. All the fire 272 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: hydrants would have run dry anyway. None of that makes 273 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: sense to me. And if it did make sense, then 274 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: why didn't you get a different system. And of course, 275 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: if they had just set the fire crew and kept 276 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: it there from the January first fire, they would have 277 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: put out the re kindling right away, and it really 278 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't matter how many if the hydrants worked, or if 279 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: the reservoir was full, it wouldn't matter. They would have 280 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: put out the fire right up there immediately. All right, 281 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: more coming up, We've got some. We've got a I've 282 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: been telling you about the Ocean Avenue mental mental patient buildings, 283 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: two of them, two mental patient buildings on Ocean Avenue 284 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: in Santa Monica that the city and the county tried 285 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: to sneak in without telling the residents and there was 286 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: a huge blowback. Well, the developer involved in the project 287 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: is speaking out. I'll tell you about it next. You're 288 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six forty. 289 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: One to four o'clock. 290 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: We're on live every day on KFI and on the 291 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: iHeart app streaming, and then after four o'clock we transformed 292 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: into a podcast. 293 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: John Cobelts Show on demand. 294 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: You can hear what you missed, and we talked extensively 295 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: about the Rob and Michelle Reiner murder case, Nick Reiner 296 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: getting charged with two first degree murder counts from Nicknathan Hawkman, 297 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: and you listen to the first hour of our show, 298 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: you'll hear the Nathan Hackman press conference that we carried live, 299 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: and also a lot about Nick Reiner's life and all 300 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: the years on drugs and the eighteen rehabilitations and things 301 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: that he said which might have let him down the 302 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: drug road, the pressure he felt coming from somebody with 303 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: a really famous dad and a really famous grandfather, Robin 304 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: Carl Reiner. 305 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: So we covered all that. 306 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: We also had Oil Oaks on in the two o'clock 307 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: hour talking about the specific charges and why first degree 308 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: and not second degree murder could manslaughter end up coming 309 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: into the picture. So all that coming up in the 310 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: first two hours of the show, and you should hear 311 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: that on the podcast. Now, this situation in Santa Monica, 312 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: Ocean Avenue, which I'm very familiar with. It overlooks the 313 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: beach and the ocean. It's right across the street from 314 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: what was a beautiful, beautiful park called Pallasted Park. And 315 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: along Ocean Avenue there's residential homes. Eventually you get into 316 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: hotels and restaurants, but on the northern end it's residential homes. 317 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: And in that area they were going to place not one, 318 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: but two buildings that were going to house severely mentally 319 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: ill people, severely mentally ill homeless people. We're going to 320 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: be moved in I think about fifty of them between 321 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: the two buildings. 322 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Imagine that. 323 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: Imagine you live on those blocks or around the corner, 324 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: because all the side streets leading to Ocean Avenue and 325 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: the Ocean are mostly residential. Yeah, all residential. There's no 326 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: there's no commerce at all. And suddenly you got you 327 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: got fifty mentally ill homeless patients wandering around because, as 328 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: the former mayor Lenna ne Grete said, it's not a 329 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: locked facility, it's not a hospital. If they want to 330 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: wander off for lunch, if they want to go to 331 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: the park, they want to leave the program, nobody's forcing 332 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: them to stay. They can just leave for the day 333 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: and meander in the neighborhood and have a psychic have 334 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: a psychosis break outside. These are like forty fifty people 335 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: who can all have psychotic breaks from reality at any 336 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: given moment, and they'd be wandering in this residential neighborhood 337 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: across from the nice park, across from the beach in 338 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: the ocean. Who did this, Well, we've gone through the 339 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: whole mechanism. The thing is, nobody told you know. It 340 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: was the city, it was the county, It was the 341 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: Saint Joseph's Hospital, it was you know some nonprofit guy 342 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you about him in a second. 343 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: But but nobody, nobody told the residents. Residents found out, 344 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: they completely freaked out, and all the politicians ran for cover, 345 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: but they knew what was going on. Now here's a 346 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: central character in this that we have not spoken about yet. Leo. 347 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: Who's still Nikoff? Who's still Nikoff? 348 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: P U s t I l n I ko V 349 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: Pusta Milcoff. I'm going to call him Leo. Leo has 350 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: talked with the Westside Current dot com and admitted that 351 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: they made mistakes in rolling out this project, and he's 352 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: blaming the bureaucracy that kept information reaching the public. How 353 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: about this, Leo, It's not about the delay in information. 354 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: It's about this way this idea was even even conceived, 355 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: even considered, let alone well on the way to implementation 356 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: without anyone's knowledge. 357 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: How about this? 358 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: No mental health facilities in residential neighborhoods, No severely mentally 359 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: ill homeless people in residential neighborhoods, and they're not even 360 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: locked down. How about no? Never, don't even think about it. 361 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: You're out of your mind. Who the hell are you now? 362 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: That's expensive, real estate. You're right near the ocean. That's 363 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: millions of dollars in real estate. And you get fifty 364 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: severely mentally ill patients allowed to run out on the loose. 365 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no. 366 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: Never, And that's got to be the uh yes, NIMBYs. 367 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: Not in my backyard, not in my front yard, not 368 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: on my block, not within ten miles of me, out 369 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: out and somebody's got to get that through the thick empties. 370 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: Well can they be thick and empty at the same time. Yeah, 371 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: their skulls are made a cement block, and inside the 372 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: cement block is dead air. And I'm talking about the 373 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: city council. I'm talking about this County Supervisor Lindsay Horvath. 374 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: She is a disaster and she claimed she was blindsided 375 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: by this that the Department of Mental Health didn't inform 376 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: her office about the project until the funding had been secured. 377 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: Oh stop it. How many people. 378 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: Know about a project where a guy comes in and 379 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: he goes, you know, I'm going to run two buildings 380 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: fifty mental patients, fifty severely ill mental patients, and you 381 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: know I'm taking guests, I'm taking tax money here. Yeah, 382 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: a lot of people knew about it, and they also 383 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: knew the best thing is to try to get this 384 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: jammed in, move the people into these two buildings. It 385 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: would make it more difficult to get rid of them. 386 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, ask. 387 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: Ask for forgiveness, that permission. It's the oldest game that 388 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: every little kid learns. That's what they were doing. And 389 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: Leo the developer, he said, he understands why they objected. 390 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: The location became public about a month before its launch. 391 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: He said he and his partners were talking with the 392 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: city for a six month period. He said, at any 393 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: point officials had the opportunity to notify the public, so 394 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: that nobody in Santa Monica City government ever told the public. 395 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: The city council, no, whoever runs all these idiotic departments 396 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: or these commissions that allow this sort of thing, nobody knew, 397 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: or no they knew. Nobody told. Nobody told because they 398 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: knew every single resident would hate this, hate it. This 399 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: stuff should be banned forever from residential neighborhoods. 400 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: And any variation on it. 401 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: No drug rehab centers, no alcohol all centers, no homeless shelters, 402 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: temporary homeless shelters, permit and homeless shelter shelters, mental health, 403 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: drug treatment, all of it. None of it in residential neighborhoods. 404 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: Not for five minutes. No, this guy Leo was still 405 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: in the cough has owned and operated twenty one buildings 406 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: for the last year under the skid Row Housing Trust. 407 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: So this guy. 408 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: Is This guy's running some kind of homeless empire. And 409 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: he thought using the Ocean Avenue properties was a good 410 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: idea because they need mental health and addiction services. Yeah, 411 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: but not in a residential area, he says, on skid 412 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: Row there's a shortage of it. And he said, would 413 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: have been nice to open building in downtown, but there's 414 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: already a lot of those services. 415 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: In that area. 416 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 2: It makes it difficult to get projects funded. I don't 417 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: know what that means. Why would it get Why because there's. 418 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: So many other. 419 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: Homeless mental health service buildings there? Why would it be 420 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: hard to get it funded? And the bottom line is, 421 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: who gives a crap about your problems? Then go find 422 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: another remote area or some industrial area or the desert 423 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: or somewhere in the Angelus mountains, or maybe put them 424 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: all on a boat and tow them out to see 425 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 2: and do the treatment there. 426 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: Always only you know, we really. 427 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: Can't do this, and we really can't go there, and 428 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: we've got nobody cares about your problems. You brought you 429 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: wanted to bring fifty mental patients to my neighborhood. How 430 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: fast can I kick you in the ass and get 431 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: you out of town? 432 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: Nobody? This is the plan. 433 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: Of course, the Santa Monica City Council and the Santa 434 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: Monica bureaucrats are all for this because they believe that 435 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: people who have jobs and own homes aught to be 436 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: punished for their success, and they have to take in 437 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: their fair share of drug addicts and mental patients and 438 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: homeless people. That it should be spread equally throughout the districts. 439 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: This idea has been around for years in LA and 440 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: in La County. It's part of the progressive ideology that 441 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: we all have to share. It's like, no, we don't 442 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: have to share in this. No, I don't want this. No, 443 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: there should be designated areas in the city where you 444 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: take care of it. Let all the mental patients live together 445 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: on the same block and they can all scream and 446 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: howl at the moon and entertain each other. Not here, 447 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: not ever, fifty of them, and they're not locked in. 448 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: They're not locked in, so they could wander into the 449 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: restaurants while you're trying to have lunch. They could bother 450 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: your kids while you're sitting in the park on a blanket, 451 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: playing with your two year olds, while you're walking your dog. 452 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: You can have fifty of these people running around. Lindsey Horvath, 453 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: she ought to be the first one put in one 454 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: of these mental health institutions, along with almost everybody on 455 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: the Santa Monica City Council and the county supervisors, all 456 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: of them. This is really avirid behavior. All right, more 457 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: coming up. You're listening to John Cobel on demand from 458 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: KFI A six forty. I just have a few minutes, 459 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: but I wanted to mention this. Maybe we'll get into 460 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: more detail tomorrow. There is a watchdog group called Defending 461 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: Education and they have gone through the website of San 462 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 2: Diego Unified School District. They went to the Equity and 463 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: Belonging section and what you'll find there contains a name 464 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: and gender identity change form for students. You can change 465 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: your name and you could change your gender identity. That's 466 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: on the resources page saying that students have a right 467 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: to privacy and that includes the right to keep private 468 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: their transgender status or their gender non conforming presentation at school, 469 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: which this adds up to saying parents have no right 470 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: to know you. See you fill out this forum and 471 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: they think that gives some special rights to the kids, 472 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: and nobody at the school can inform the parents. Although 473 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: does that ever work? Don't the parents figure it out? 474 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a guy who's telling everybody at 475 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: school that you're a girl and you've got a new 476 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: name and a new gender and a new look, somebody's 477 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: calling mom and dad, I don't know how you pull 478 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: that off. According to this, students have the right to 479 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: openly discuss and express their gender related identity and expression 480 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: at school. See if you think this stuff is over, 481 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: it's not over. It may be laying dormant. And they 482 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: get to decide when, with whom and how to share 483 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: private information. You're supposed to put your legal name, your 484 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: identification number that you have at the school, and the 485 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: student's legal sex, including first names. 486 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh jeez, pronouns. I mean, I really thought that was dead. 487 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: When I see that on somebody's email, it's like, oh 488 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: my god, this person must be a headache. And on 489 00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: the youth advocacy page, there's a slideshow lgbtq IA plus 490 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: terminology a slide that has listed twenty eight sexual orientations 491 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: and nine gender identities nine stop nine gender identities, transgender, 492 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: cisgender female, sis, gender male, non binary, demo girl. What's 493 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: a demo girl? I never heard of this. That's a gender, 494 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: a gender. It is not a gender. A demo girl, 495 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: a demo boy, gender fluid. I've heard some of these terms, 496 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: some of these I never heard of. What the hell 497 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: do they mean? You could be a third gender person, 498 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: You could be an a gender person. Oh here, you're 499 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: gonna say a demi girl or demi boy, someone who's 500 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: is defined as someone who partially identifies as a girl 501 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: or woman, a demi boy, someone who partially identifies as 502 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: a boy or man, partially a boy and partially what else? 503 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: And which part of you and what part of the 504 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: day or what days of the week. 505 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: The demi prefix is meant to communicate the belief that 506 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: gender is partial, not whole, and that the other part 507 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: of their gender identity can be anything but this is 508 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: like multiple personality disorder. A third gender, according to the slides, 509 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: is someone who identifies with a gender completely different from 510 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: the binary genders. Twenty eight sexual orientations. Wait a second, 511 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: hold on, now, I see the thing is they're still 512 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: they're still promoting this at the San Diego Unified School 513 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: District twenty eight Sexual Orientations, which includes androsexual, panoramic sexual, 514 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: gray sexual, biromantic, homosexual. 515 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: How does anybody think of this? This is this is 516 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: so baffling and absurd. I don't are. 517 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: Students still talking about this stuff because I think it 518 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: was like a craze for a while, because it gave 519 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 2: you social status, and then, like all crazes, all fads, 520 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: that kind of faded away, and you look back at 521 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: it and go, did we really do that? 522 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Did we really? 523 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: Did we really walk around describing ourselves this way? What 524 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: do you think all these people are going to be 525 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: like when they're forty? You think anybody's going to be 526 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 2: doing this stuff when you're you're when you're grown up 527 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: and you got a career and you got a family, 528 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: and you got a house, and you got mortgage payments 529 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: and car payments, and you're paying half of your salary 530 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: and taxes, you're gonna be spending around telling your your 531 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: buddies on on the weekend. It's like, you know, I'm 532 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: a demi boy, Hey, yeah, yeah, all right, We've got 533 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: Conway coming up, and Michael Krozer has the news live 534 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: in the KFI twenty four hour news run. 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