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Speaker 1: I'm back again, your host, Rashan McDonald. I always tell

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Speaker 1: He's a celebrity because he's on TV every night. He's

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Speaker 1: deeply personal and rivetem plead his new book shows us

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Speaker 1: my friends about racism. Don brings his vast audience and

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Speaker 1: most urgent question, how can we end racism in America

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Speaker 1: in our lifetime? Please? Welcome to Money Making Conversation. Don Lemon,

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Speaker 1: Chris Shawan, Thank you so much. It's good to be

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Speaker 1: with you again. And wow, what an introduction. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: some man, it was. It was emotional, you know, because

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Speaker 1: It's his mom and stepdad. And they called me and

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Speaker 1: Why was it important to have these transitional time moments

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Speaker 1: we should realize is that long before the Mayflower was here.

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Speaker 1: eyes and you will discover the true magic of a forest.

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Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring it. Discover

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Speaker 1: the Forest dot Org. Brought to you by the United

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Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the AD Council