1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: All right, third hour of Play and Buck kicks off. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Now we're joined by our friend Carol Markowicks, host of 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: the Carol Marcowitz Show on the Clay and Buck podcast network, 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: which thanks all of you, is growing every single month 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: and also normally which she co hosts with Mary Katherine 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: ham and that is doing fantastic numbers as well. So 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: thank you all for your support, and Carol, great to 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: have you on the program. Thank you so much. 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: Hi Buck, thanks so much for having. 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Me two years Carol, two years since the events of 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: October seventh. I want to get into some of the 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: policy specific conversation in a moment with where Trump is 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: trying to end this thing between the IDF and Hamas 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: and all of that, as well as some other news 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: of the day. But first I just wanted to ask 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: you to reflect on how you view this day and 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: what you think about given what's happened over the last 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: two years. 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: You know, the first thing I want to say is 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: today is the first day of the Jewish holidays Succot. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: And I'm not a super observant Jew. I should be better, 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: but I'm not. But many observant Jews, our friend Josh Hammer, 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: some other people are offline today so they can't commemorate 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: October seventh. So I'm just so grateful for you and 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: so many other people for noting this today in the 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: absence of Jews being online, and I think that that's 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: really incredible and special, and I feel just grateful to 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: have you as an ally, as a friend, and to 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: have non Jews care about what's going on in Israel 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: or with Jews in the world is so meaningful to me, 31 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: and I hope that you know how much I appreciate it. 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: Oh. 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Clay and I have felt very strongly about this 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: issue from the very beginning and have felt like this 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: was a clear case of right and wrong, not just 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: of course, on the horrible day of October seventh and 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: what was done to Jews in Israel, but so much 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: of what we saw afterwards I think was shocking to people, Carol, 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: who have didn't followed this issue and don't understand some 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: of the dynamics of play. I mean, the calls, for example, 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: the calls for a cease fire while the Israelis were 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: still counting their dead and preparing to bury them was 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: just an astonishing show of bad faith, and quite honestly, 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: the worst kinds of anti Semitism. 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And it's been just a really tough two years, 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: I would say. And it's interesting because I went to 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Israel during that time, and they are so resilient and strong, 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: and they're really they've been prepared for how long this 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: is going to take, and they understood it wasn't going 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 2: to be overnight and all of that, and they want 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: their hostages back so badly. But it has been a 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: tough time to be a Jew in America, a Jew 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: in the West. I have such faith in America and Americans, 54 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: and I know that it's just a tough time right now. 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: But it is hard to watch that commemorations of October 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: seventh are taking place in our biggest cities and they 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: seem like celebrations, and they're you know, Zionists quote unquote, 58 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: are being pushed out of various spases. I mean, it's 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: been going on on the left for years and years. 60 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't very surprised about the reaction from the left 61 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: on October eighth. I know a lot of people were, 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: but I had seen it coming for the better part 63 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: of a decade. I just hope the right doesn't follow 64 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: them down that path, and like I said, I do 65 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: feel very comfortable and so blessed that I feel like 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: conservatives are largely on the right side of this and 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: that they I do feel like I have allies standing 68 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: with me. 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Trump, I think, is a consistent, consistent 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: ally and friend of the state of Israel, which is 71 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: and sees this issue with the clarity that that it demands. 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: And on that issue of clarity, you know, we've had 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: you on Carol before to talk about the so called 74 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: genocide and the New York Times running a story with 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: a photo as the primary photo of somebody who looks emaciated, 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: having nothing to do with hunger. It's actually a birth 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: defect or a congenital birth issue that that person had, 78 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, to me, it always 79 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: seemed like, hold on a second, there's not a genocide 80 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: going on, and here's why. And we made that case before. 81 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: This is a term, of course that's thrown around with 82 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: the additional salt in the wound of the genocide that 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: was committed against the Jews in the Holocaust and World 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: War Two. So the opponents of Israel used this knowing 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the full implications of the term in this context. But 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: now we have a peace plan, or at least a 87 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: ceasefire plan put forward. With all of these steps, it's 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: essentially Hamas has to stop fighting, hostages have to come back, 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: and then there has to be some responsibility from the 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Palestinian side. And it seems like it's not a genocide 91 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 1: because they say, no, we're going to keep fighting. Right. 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: It's amazing the first victims of genocide ever say no, 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: we're going to keep going. It's baffling to me that 94 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: anybody cannot see what's going on here. And you're right, 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: Trump is such a friend to Israel. I am just 96 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: just I find his clarity on the matter to be breastaking. 97 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: And you know, I make all all of the Trumps 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight jokes in our in our tests because 99 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: of it, because I really feel like he holds back 100 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: a lot of the insanity around the world. And you 101 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: know when Britain or France, when you recognize quote unquote 102 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: the Palestinian state, Trump sort of laughs at them and says, 103 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: who cares what they think? And that's meaningful and amazing 104 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: that an American president is such a leader on the world stage. 105 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: But you're right, it's the idea that there's a genocide 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: going on while that population of Palestinians and Gaza has 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 2: actually grown in the last two years makes no sense. 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: And it makes no sense that it really chubby moms 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: or holding starving babies, because that's generally not the way 110 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: that it goes. So I'd love to see more clarity 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: from other world leaders if there's some really good ones. 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: The President of Argentina is amazing, the Prime Minister of 113 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: Italy is fantastic, But in general, a lot of them 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: are afraid of their Muslim populations or their leftist base, 115 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: and they are really bringing down the idea of civilization 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: around the world. It's not just about Israel. It's really 117 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: a civilizational question that they would have to contend with 118 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: in their own countries. What will our countries be with 119 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: this unchecked immigration that we've allowed to go on. It's 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: all tied together. 121 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: I'd also note that if there was a starvation genocide underway, 122 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: the photos of it would be everywhere accessible and obvious. 123 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: It would not be in the least bit difficult in 124 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: the social media Internet era that we all live in 125 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: to see this, and yet the reliance on photos by 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: the biggest newspaper in the United States, for example. That 127 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: is essentially a falsified premise. I think that speaks very 128 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: loudly about what is going on here. What are the 129 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 1: chances they just happened to pick a photo that doesn't 130 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: depict what's going on if there are endless photos that would, right, 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean that just that makes no sense. You can 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: supply logic to this and it falls apart. 133 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they cropped out his healthy looking brother out 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: of the photo because they wanted to project that the 135 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: starvation thing was happening, and the very healthy brother would 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: show that that wasn't going on. 137 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: What is going on on the right with and you 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm going to ask you, Carol, But to 139 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: the degree that we can cover some of this now, 140 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: there seems to be some how, some questioning that even 141 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: some hostility to Israel, specifically that I haven't seen from 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: the right. On the left, it's been there for a 143 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, But on the right it seems like 144 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: there's some problems bubbling up. Where is that coming from? 145 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to ascribe that motive people. 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say they're all paid by guitar, 147 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: although kind of seems like they're paid by guitar. It 148 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: really could be any number of things. I understand questioning 149 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: foreign aid, for example, but if you're questioning a foreign 150 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: aid means that Israel should be the first country stripped 151 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: of it, I'm sorry that is not a real argument. 152 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: And a lot of the time there'll be people saying 153 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: we're allowed to criticize Israel. Of course you're allowed to 154 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: criticize Israel. I criticize Israel. There's a million mistakes that 155 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: I think Israel has made before and since October seventh, 156 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: and you're absolutely allowed to criticize any number of things. 157 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: But the idea is that Israel is allowed to exist 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: and should exist, and that is Zionism. So it's really 159 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: not that crazy to say Israel is a country. It exists, 160 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: it's going to continue to exist, and we should support that. 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: I hope the right doesn't get wound up in conspiracy theories, 162 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: which is largely what a lot of this comes down to. 163 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: And I get where it comes from. We were lied 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: to again and again over the last decade, and I 165 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: feel like people have lost all faith in everything. But 166 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: you have to remember not everyone is lying to you 167 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: all the time, and it's you have to find the 168 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: people that you trust, and they shouldn't be people who 169 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: lie to you. If your favorite podcaster is telling you 170 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: things that you know to be a lie, they're probably 171 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: lying about other things as well, And that's how you 172 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: should look at it. You should trust the voices that 173 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: you listen to, and if you can't do that, then 174 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: you shouldn't do it on anything. You know. 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: I've begun to see finally, because I've been trying to 176 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: make this case for a while as somebody who was 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: involved in some capacity among millions of other Americans, including 178 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: those who actually serve in the military, I was a 179 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: civilian trying to do a part of what we call 180 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: the g WoT, the Global War on Terror. But the 181 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: level of violent hate that has been inculcated in some 182 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: of these Middle Eastern societies, and specifically in the case 183 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: of Gaza, I'm a little surprised that so many people 184 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: on the right seem to have either forgotten or aren't 185 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: able to draw the obvious parallels that these society they're 186 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: not upset about foreign eight in Gaza, that they're not 187 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: upset about the lack of some you know, some agreement 188 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: that would move things forward. They actually have been trained 189 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: and taught to hate Jos and israelis. This is very straightforward, 190 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: and I think this has gotten lost in the conversation, 191 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: even on the right for some in a way that 192 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: bears reminding everybody. 193 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that poll after pole continues to 194 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: show that the people on the right support Israel, and 195 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: so no matter how many loud voices are trying to. 196 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Change, I think that's an important distinction you're making. It's 197 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, Kenalar. 198 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: It hasn't moved the needle at all. I would say 199 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: that abortion is a more contentious issue on the right 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: than Israel is. It's an overwhelming positive supportive point of 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: reference for the right on Israel, and so, I you know, 202 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what again, what the motivations might be, 203 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: but I will say that anti Semitism is not a bigotry, 204 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: and I think when people think of it as a bigotry, 205 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: they get it all wrong. It is a it's a 206 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: mind virus. Once it grabs people, it's all they can 207 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: think about. So again, if you think, if your if 208 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: your favorite podcaster has suddenly become multiple Wall Israel, every 209 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: single episode of Israel, Israel Israel. They're on a dark path, 210 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: and it's not about Jews as a kind of culture. 211 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: It's about a larger mind virus that will really swallow 212 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: them up. And you've seen this happen in societies in history, 213 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: where once it gets going, it really doesn't stop. So 214 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: I hope that the trend where the larger right just 215 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: blocks out those voices continues, and that's what I'm going 216 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: to be Look, what are you. 217 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: Going to be talking about this week on normally, Carol? 218 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: So normally just celebrating our one year anniversary book, Mary 219 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: Catherine Hamm and I completely didn't realize the date, so 220 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: it's actually a year and a week and of half 221 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: or so. But we're really thrilled to be on the 222 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network. It's been amazing. 223 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: We cover news of the day in a funny way 224 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: and I hope your listeners will tune in. 225 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you guys are doing a great ladies, I 226 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: should say, are doing a great show and I love it. Yeah, Carol, 227 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Appreciate talking to 228 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: you as always, and we'll talk to you again soon. 229 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 230 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: Two years ago, we woke up to the horrific news 231 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: from Israel. The terrorists were on a rampage, slaughtering innocent civilians. 232 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: By the end of the day, the death toll was 233 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: twelve hundred, with two hundred and fifty people taken hostage. 234 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: The equivalent of that in the US would be forty 235 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: thousand Americans. To give you a sense of the magnitude. 236 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: Americans have supported the people of Israel for the past 237 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: two years in big and small ways, with the help 238 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. One way 239 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: is by joining a growing movement called Flags of Fellowship. 240 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: The Flags of Fellowship you know, Night's churches across America 241 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: planning over one million Israeli flags across our country show 242 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: the world that Israel is not alone. To get more 243 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, 244 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: visit IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. 245 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 4: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton mic drops that never sounded 246 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or 247 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: wherever you get your podcasts. 248 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're going to 249 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: join by Leland Vindard here in a second. He's got 250 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: a hit book We're going to talk to him about that. 251 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: He's here with me in DC, so special points for 252 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: showing up in person, finding his way to our downtown studio. 253 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Over at the View. You know, I am grateful for 254 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: the View. The View gives us so much content here 255 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: on this show, so many conservative commentary platforms. If not 256 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: the View, where would we go for these gems of 257 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: of wisdom? Where would we go to find out that? 258 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Really Trump's plan isn't to use just limited National Guard 259 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: deployments to help bring down homicides and protect immigrations and 260 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: customs enforcement. No, No, the real plan is to steal 261 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: the next election. Trump twenty twenty eight. 262 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 5: Trump twenty twenty eight. 263 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, here you go. The ladies at the 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: View they're having they're getting emotional. The vapors they're getting 265 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: the vapors play it. 266 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 6: There is crime in American cities, but the way to 267 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 6: deal with it is get the funding that you need 268 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 6: for police, get the training that you need, and work 269 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 6: with local officials. 270 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: This is a pretext to stop the next election, That's 271 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: what I'm thinking it. 272 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 6: I would say it might also be a distraction from 273 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 6: the hearing that's going on right now about the Epstein file. Right, 274 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 6: some things have come up and ag Pam Bondi with 275 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 6: answer dodging questions and attacking back. Do you not think 276 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 6: maybe the whole civil unrest storyline is maybe overblown. 277 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 5: I think that. 278 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 6: Donald Trump also sees a mayor and troops in US 279 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 6: cities as a sign of strength. 280 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 5: I think most Americans don't. 281 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 6: I think they see it as like societal breakdown. 282 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Ah, so many things thrown in there. 283 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 7: Oh, I think that Trump is deployed the national Guard 284 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 7: because he's going to steal the election. 285 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Well, I think that Trump is deploying the national Guard 286 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: because of Epstein. Well, oh, well, I think Trump is 287 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: deploying the national Guard because of climate change. Like, let's 288 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: just throw it all in there. Let's just make it 289 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: a a la carte crazy town. What is going on 290 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: over there? It's so it's so unfortunate that this show 291 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: still has people who do I watch it and Clay 292 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: watches it. For well, we don't watch it. We look 293 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: at the clips. But for the comedic value, it's definitely 294 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: pretty solid. Unintentional comedy is where the view excels. That 295 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: is its value proposition. So I hope they keep doing 296 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: what they do. But for the people who watch because 297 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: they think that it is worthwhile commentary, that they are 298 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: getting some kind of insight about the world around them 299 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: and more specifically American politics. It is a factory of delusion. 300 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: It is nuts over there. It is crazy town. They're 301 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: going to steal the election. 302 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 7: Really, I think I think the National Guard's gonna help 303 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 7: steal the next election. Joy Really, honestly, we're still with 304 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 7: this now. 305 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: But you see, because they're so unhinged now, we have 306 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: to troll them with Trump twenty twenty eight stuff like, 307 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: not that it's gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, but 308 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, let's just wear the hats and really get them, 309 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: get them all spun up over nothing, because it's entertaining 310 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: for us. I don't know how else to get them 311 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: to stop being so unstable. I don't know what we 312 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: can do to make them see reality other than mock 313 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: the unreality that they choose to create for themselves. But 314 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: the view, honestly, at some point you gotta wonder who 315 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: doesn't see this for what it is a very low iq, 316 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: bad faith, and nasty discourse on what's going on in 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: the world around us. It is unless you are laughing 318 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: at it unless you are viewing it as a point 319 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: of comedy for which it has value. It is a 320 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: waste of everyone's time. In fact, it's worse than that. 321 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: It is a negative because it creates a vision of 322 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: America that does not exist except in the fever dreams 323 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: of the libs. And that's not good. 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This guy comes in here dressed like Gordon Gecko. 352 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: This is the difference between TV and radio. I'm wearing 353 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: like sweatpants and a fleece and Leland comes in here. 354 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: Chrisp is one hundred dollars bill ready for television at 355 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: a moment's notice. So I'm just saying good for you, 356 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: my friend. It's a respect respect. You gotta do it 357 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: how you do it. We've got this book. It is 358 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: doing very well. Born Lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, 359 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: and my journey with autism. This has really struck a 360 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: chord with people. Tell everybody a bit about it. 361 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: So Buck Born Lucky is the story of my father 362 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 3: when I was diagnosed with autism, choosing to adapt me 363 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: to the world rather than the world to me. So 364 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: this goes back to the nineteen eighties, and this book 365 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: is for every parent of a kid having a hard time, 366 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it's a parent of a kid on 367 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: the autism spectrum, ADHD, anxiety. 368 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 5: Social issues, bullying at school. 369 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: It is proof to parents of how much agency they 370 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: have and how much hope there is for a loving 371 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: parent to really dedicate to their kid and help their 372 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: kid be more and achieve their full potential in a 373 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: way they never would if they listen to the experts. 374 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: Tell me more about that part of this, like what 375 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: are some of the hurdles, the artificial hurdles that are 376 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: put in place by expert opinion about autism, how to 377 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: deal with this and what a taking look. 378 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 3: There is a movement in America and the experts will 379 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: tell you to meet kids where they are right so 380 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: you just sort of put little Sally in a in 381 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: bubble wrap and tell her that she's perfect and everything's 382 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 3: great and we're so proud of you and everything else. 383 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 5: Eighty eight eighty nine. 384 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: My parents are told that I have to be evaluated. 385 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: So they take me to one of those little medical centers. 386 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: You're a new dad, the worst thing a parent could 387 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: possibly hear, right, So they take me to one of 388 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: these little medical testing centers. Linoleum floors, old magazines, stale coffee, whatever. 389 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: The woman comes back with me after two hours. They're nervous, 390 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: and the woman says, to my parents, we have no 391 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: idea what's going on inside his head? 392 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: What can I What were some of the signs? How 393 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: did you know the exactly? How did they know that? 394 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 4: Uned? 395 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: You know, I had terrible behavioral issues, So if a 396 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: kid touched me in the lunch line, I'd turn around 397 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 3: and slug them. I had awful behavioral issues, sensory issues. 398 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: Couldn't really wear a lot of clothes or socks or 399 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: anything else because I didn't like how it felt on 400 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: my skin. 401 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: Big learning disabilities. So from the IQ test. 402 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 3: Two halves of an IQ test make up the average 403 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: of your IQ, but doesn't have to do an average. 404 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: His is additive. It just goes very high. Mine was 405 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: half genius, half mentally retarded. So twenty points spread on 406 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: your IQ test is a learning disabilit I had a 407 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: seventy point spread. And the woman said to my dad, looked, 408 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: you know, there's not much you can do. And my 409 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: dad goes, as any father would, anything we can do, 410 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: and she goes generally not got to meet him where 411 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: he's at. And my dad said, if I meet him 412 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 3: where he's at and I adapt the world to him 413 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: and I give him extra time on tests and behavior 414 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: modification plans in school and tell everybody what's happening, he's 415 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: not going to know how to operate in the real world. 416 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: So this was my dad's quest to adapt me to 417 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 5: the real world. 418 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: What were some of the things that in that process 419 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: he did he learned yea, And congratulations to your father 420 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: out I mean, I also just so I have no 421 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: personal experience of anyone in my family with autism. I 422 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: have people in my extended family that have serious mental 423 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: health challenges, people who have we have. I have a 424 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: second cousin with Down syndrome, But I've never experienced somebody 425 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: close to me with autism, and so my knowledge of 426 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: it is really just from reading picking things up in 427 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: the media. We'll hear about the spectrum. What are some 428 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: of the things that your father had to learn and 429 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: had to understand to push you through this process. 430 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: It's a great question. 431 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: And this was much less about autism because at the 432 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: time autism was really not understood very well. To a 433 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: father leaning in and saying, I am going to push 434 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: my son to be more right, So he knew I 435 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: couldn't get self esteem from school because of learning disabilities. 436 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna have any friends, so I couldn't be 437 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: the popular kid, and I couldn't do athletics because I 438 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: was completely uncoordinated. 439 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 5: So it's six years old. 440 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: He started me doing two hundred push ups a day 441 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: as a way to start earning self esteem. Two hundred 442 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: push ups a day, five days a week. Now, what 443 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: expert wouldever tell a parent do that, right, But it 444 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: was to teach me effort in equals real results and 445 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: real achievement. He was big on character. He said, the 446 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: two things you can control your character and your work ethic. 447 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: That was something that he forced me to take a 448 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 3: lot of pride in and then it was trying to 449 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: teach me, almost minute by minute, the social skills that 450 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: come naturally to people and the human equation. So he 451 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: would take me out to lunch with one of his friends. 452 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: I had a lot of free time because no kid 453 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: wanted to hang out with me. And we show you 454 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: in Born Lucky. He would take me out and he 455 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: would sit me down at lunch with one of his friends. 456 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: I'd start talking to the guy in badgering him, and 457 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: my dad would tap his watch and that was the 458 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: signal for me to stop talking. 459 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: Number one. But in Born Lucky, then we take you 460 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: into the post. 461 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: Game right where he would sit there and be like, okay, 462 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: when mister Sexton never never buck, never buy a first name. 463 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: But when he was talking about his new child and 464 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: his dog, why did you want to talk about how 465 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: many commercials are in his radio show? I don't know, Dad, 466 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting. Well, what do you think 467 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: mister Sexton wanted to talk about? It was this minute 468 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: by minute teaching of the. 469 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: Human emotional skills. 470 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, my emotional intelligence was about free in your freezing level, 471 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: I iq EQ was freezing. 472 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: So how long did it take? I mean, I wouldn't 473 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: have known from I mean we've known each other professional 474 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: and due we're getting old. I think I probably met 475 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: you a decade ago, so it's been at least yeah, yeah, 476 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's been a long time. Did your show 477 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: at Fox a long time ago? I would not have known. 478 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: And again I'm somebody who there's a lot of people 479 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: listening who have autistic children or grandchildren or have dealt 480 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: with this themselves, so they have a much higher understanding 481 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: of it. But in layman's understanding of it, I would 482 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: never have known that you struggled with autism. Is your 483 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: level of functionality in day to day unusual for somebody 484 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: who's ever been diagnosed with autism? I mean people always 485 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: talk about this spectrum. I mean, how do you describe 486 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: that so that there's I'm not an expert on it, 487 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: right sure, from your own experience, my. 488 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: Own experience, though, what I would say is it's an 489 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: everyday struggle. 490 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Was was there a point at which though you were, 491 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: you felt like you were more normal? You know you 492 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: really I'm saying, like the point in time you said Okay, 493 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: I've caught up. I have that emotional intelligence. 494 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: It's a great question. I would say, it's still a 495 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: struggle every day, every hour, or to force your mind 496 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 3: to think through the way that my dad taught me 497 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: to think rather than the way my mind normally would think. 498 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: In the book and Born Lucky compared a little bit 499 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: almost like to alcoholism, that it's never a cure, something 500 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 3: you work on every day. But sure, you know, my 501 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 3: dad used to always tell me when I was bullied 502 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: and isolated and alone in middle school and high school, 503 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: what's making you bullied and isolated and alone is what's 504 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: going to help you succeed later in life. And there 505 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: was a time, sure, once I got into TV and 506 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: started working that hard work, good character made up for 507 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: a lot of the emotional intelligence that I didn't have. 508 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 5: But certainly it's something I still deal with every day. 509 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: So this was a progression over time. We're speaking Leland Vittert. 510 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: The book is Born Lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, 511 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: and my journey with autism. Obviously this conversation, but autism 512 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: also comes up a lot in the context of RFK 513 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: Junior and Paul. I'm not going to put you on 514 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: the spot. 515 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 5: You're welcome. You're welcome to it. 516 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have thoughts? Yeah, do you have 517 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: thoughts about why there's been this explosion in diagnoses of 518 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: this condition, which that part of it. I think everyone 519 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: agrees that it probably a lot more of this than 520 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: there has been. 521 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. 522 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: I have the chemistry grades to prove it. So I 523 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: won't discuss tilan audosing. You don't want to hear from 524 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: me on that. But I think it's fantastic that this 525 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: is now the scientific question of our time. One in 526 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: fifteen hundred kids when I was diagnosed, now one in 527 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 3: thirty one, three times hire for boys and hire still 528 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: in poorer minority communities. 529 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 5: This should be the scientific question of our time. And look, 530 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 5: you're a new father. 531 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: If my wife was pregnant, I'm newly married and you said, hey, 532 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: check a box, your kid can have autism or not, 533 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: every parent perspective parent is checking no, right. 534 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a big challenge. I know that I 535 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: have friends who have autistic kids. 536 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so why would we not try to solve this problem? 537 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: And I wrote an outbed in the Wall Street Journal 538 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 3: before Born Lucky came out effectively saying, you know, does 539 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: the left or does the anti Trump crew hate Trump 540 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 3: more than they love our kids. Because if you're all 541 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: you're gonna do is demonize RFK and Trump on the 542 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: search for this answer. That's the only explanation. 543 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: So you believe obviously that the public focus, well the 544 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: Trump administration focused on this is clearly a good faith 545 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: effort to try to get it an answer that we 546 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: should all want. But of course this becomes politicized because 547 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: anything Trump and RFKA Junior now are involved in people 548 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: view through a partisan lens. 549 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: Right, everything everybody who views everything now in America through 550 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: a partisan lens. And I think part of the reason 551 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 3: Born Lucky has gotten such a tremendous response, right we're 552 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: now in our third printing, in our first week, is 553 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: because it proves to parents how much hope there is 554 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: and how much agency they have, and no one is 555 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: telling parents that, whether it's autism or ADHD or anything else. 556 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: I had a parent come up to me and say, 557 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: your book speaks so much to me. And I knew 558 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 3: both of these these women's kids. They were both very 559 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: successful college athletes in an IVY League school. I said, 560 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: you know your kid didn't have a hard time. She said, oh, well, 561 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: my kid had a nut allergy. And they told me 562 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: when my son had a nut allergy, just to pull 563 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: nuts out of every classroom that he was going to 564 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: be in, and instead, I said, I'm going to desensitize 565 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: him to nuts. So it's that is the Born Lucky story, 566 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: just through various different challenges that every parent faces. 567 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: So now I'm one of these people that is particularly 568 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: interested in the book because it resonates with me. And 569 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. As I say, so, you are 570 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: a a you know, in our business just to be employed, 571 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: is I think successful? 572 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: Right? 573 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean no, really, I mean to be true. You know, 574 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: you have your own show. I share this huge platform 575 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: with Clay. The fact that we get to do what 576 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: we do is you're beating the odds and very blessed 577 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: and very fortunate. Right. But you're a TV presenter and 578 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: so your ability to connect with audiences is your currency 579 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: in one way or another. Right, That's the way it works. 580 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm a radio host. I had a speech impediment as 581 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: a kid. I had a speech impediment and it made 582 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: me so uncomfortable. I mean I would mispronounce my own name. 583 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Made me so uncomfortable that they thought about pulling me 584 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: out of school. And it was my mother, who really 585 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: stepped in and said, no, I will work with him, No, 586 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: we will figure this out. And I went to speech 587 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: therapy and I had tutors after school and all of 588 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: this because she didn't want me to be one of 589 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: those kids who felt like he couldn't be with the 590 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: other kids. And that was a remark. I will never 591 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: be able to thank my mother enough for that one. 592 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: And the story that I always tell is here, I 593 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: was a kid who could not pronounce his name. True story. 594 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: I could not pronounce my own name in first second 595 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: going into third grade, constantly made fun of for that. 596 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: And here I sit on a microphone. We're speaking to 597 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: a few million people right now. Something two to three 598 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: million depends on the game. 599 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 5: You've done pretty well. 600 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: And so radio, which is obviously about the ability to 601 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: verbalize and communicate, is how I make a living. And 602 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: I started out with a speech impediment, and then with 603 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: the tutors. By the way, they got me to the 604 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: point where I was about two years ahead of grade 605 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: level in terms of academics within eighteen months. So went 606 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: from you can't speak, you need to go to a 607 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: special place, you can't stay with your friends, to my 608 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: mom saying just like your dad did. We're going to 609 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: figure this out. And I think that that really does 610 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: resonate with people. It the parents make the difference. Parents 611 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: make such a huge difference in all of this. Born 612 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: Lucky is the book everybody. I have a feeling right now, 613 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going on Amazon, a lot 614 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: of people are looking to be a part of your 615 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: third printing of this. Congrats on the success of it, 616 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: Leland Viddert, and I'll be seeing you on your News 617 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: Nation show very soon, very soon. Indeed, do great work 618 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: over there, and thank you for this important book. And 619 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: good to see you here in the studio, even though 620 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: you make me feel like I'm underdressed in my own studio. 621 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: That's okay, though, That's okay. 622 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 8: Oh. 623 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: Look, one of the better investments I've made is the 624 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: purchase of gold. This year alone, It's up forty seven 625 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: percent in value. 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Now 667 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: we've got let's do talkbacks here, and guys, let me 668 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: know if I always get the live calls and the 669 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: talkbacks confused in my head. Let me know which live 670 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: calls and which are talkbacks. This is talkback c See 671 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: he's are. Radio listener Adam from New York play it, 672 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the leader of the Democrat Party. Whatever 673 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump does, they fight this. I mean, he definitely 674 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: is like the director of the Democrat Party. He he points, 675 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, he can flash his light. He can flash 676 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: his flash light in one direction and they all run 677 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: after it and they chase it. You know, he can 678 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: just be the shiny object for them and they will 679 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: all chase it down. It is remarkable. He has their number, 680 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: no question about it. DD podcast listener Mike from Fort Worth, 681 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Texas hit it. 682 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 8: I think the reason why working class likes Trump is 683 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 8: because we know that he's not really working class, but 684 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 8: he appreciates the working class, and he doesn't try to 685 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 8: pretend to be the working class like some of these 686 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 8: other politicians try to do at the last minute when 687 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 8: they want our votes. Trump genuinely likes working class people 688 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 8: and we. 689 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: Can see that totally. That's a spot on assessment. Totally 690 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: agree with that. I think I've said similar things in 691 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: the asked that is correct. Trump is Trump is authentic 692 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: in who he is in all respects, and he authentically 693 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: respects and has connection to working class people, but does 694 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: not pretend to be himself working class right obviously. And 695 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: that's the thing that that's what I meant by like, Oh, 696 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm wearing my Carhart jacket at election time, and i 697 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: look at my Timberland boots and I'm you know, the 698 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: what's his name, Tim Walls thing. People can see that 699 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: and people can just pick up on that stuff right away. 700 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: Let's see now, Jacqueline in Brooklyn wants to chat. We 701 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: a lot of New York calls and talkbacks. 702 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: That it. 703 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: What's up, Jacqueline, Hi Buck. 704 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 10: You know on this topic, when you were talking about 705 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 10: the difference between Pritsker and President Trump, I think people 706 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 10: maybe forget that President Trump actually, although he may have 707 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 10: had an advantage with his start in life with who 708 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 10: his father was, he did work. He worked every single day. 709 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 10: He went around to all of his father's buildings in 710 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 10: Brooklyn collect the rents. He also when he started to 711 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 10: become a builder in his own right, as a very 712 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 10: young man, he was on those job sites. I even 713 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 10: remember a story that I had heard. I don't remember 714 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 10: who told it, but he had come home from work 715 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 10: one day and went to Trump Tower and he asked 716 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 10: his son Don Junior to bring him a coke and 717 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 10: the son smart Maldaman says, we'll get up and get 718 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 10: it yourself. And he turned around and looked at his 719 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 10: wife Ivanna at the time, and you know was understood. Hey, 720 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 10: I was busting my behind all day long to provide 721 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 10: for you. You came when you get me something nice and 722 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 10: cold to drink because I've been out sweating all day 723 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 10: long on a construction site. 724 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: Anytime, Yeah, no, Jacqueline, it's we're at time. It's a 725 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: very good point. And uh yeah, I mean, no one 726 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: could give Trump the most successful show on television. No 727 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: one could give him the global brand that he built. 728 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean Trump built all that stuff.