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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,

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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland. The after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full

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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig

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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this episode, we are talking about,

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Speaker 1: among other things, the Riza Ray Kwon method, Man Go

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Speaker 1: Space Killa, and the ongoing saga of Wu Tang Clan,

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Speaker 1: and of course your voicemails, text dms and more and

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Speaker 1: as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, goes,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. So we are just about halfway

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Speaker 1: through our serialized season on Wu Tang Clan, our first

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Speaker 1: what you guys think of this. Are you into it?

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Speaker 1: Are you into the serialized storytelling? Do you like having

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Speaker 1: an episode on each member? Are you pumped? Are you

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Speaker 1: dying for the next one? Speaking of the next one,

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Speaker 1: before we get into that, let's recap where we've been

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Speaker 1: with the series so far. Okay, real quick here. In

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Speaker 1: just the last two weeks, we've dropped episodes on the Rizza, Raykwon,

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Speaker 1: Method Man, and Ghost Face Killer. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on in these episodes. Shootouts, dice games, drug busts,

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Speaker 1: voodoo rituals, and of course great music, not just Wu

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Speaker 1: Tang's music, but the music that inspired Wu Tang Clan,

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Speaker 1: The Dell Phonics, the Temptations, Big Daddy Kane Run, DMC, Heavy,

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Speaker 1: d Stacks Records, Kung Fu soundtracks. The list goes on

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Speaker 1: and on. But at the heart of the narrative of

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Speaker 1: this Wu Tang Clan story, there is this ongoing investigation

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Speaker 1: a totally bonkers investigation started by cops in New York

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Speaker 1: FBI who for years labeled Wu Tang Clan internally with

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Speaker 1: the Gambino crime family. This is insane. So in the

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Speaker 1: coming weeks, We've got even more crazy, whacked out stories

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Speaker 1: from Shaolin. Next week, we're dropping an episode on Inspected

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Speaker 1: So there's that, And yes, ODB is coming, so be patient.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get there soon enough. As you've probably noticed,

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Speaker 1: we're pausing this week, however, to give you a breather

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Speaker 1: and let you catch up with this series. To tide

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Speaker 1: you over, we're releasing the previously exclusive episode on Ringo Star.

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Speaker 1: Why Ringo? You ask, how does Ringo connect with Wu

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Speaker 1: It might not be what you think. Definitely not as

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Speaker 1: easy a connection as Wu Tang to Bruce Lee, the

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Speaker 1: the many inspirations from the world of Kung Fu Onto Wu.

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Speaker 1: To celebrate that connection tomorrow, in Your Disgrace and Feed,

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Speaker 1: You've got an archive episode all about Bruce Lee from

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Speaker 1: bad Lands. That's the other show that I host. If

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Speaker 1: want more serialized seasons of Disgraceland. I'll leave me a voicemail,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to call about your bon Jovie episode where

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm fifty three now, so I kind

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Speaker 2: and I enjoy your podcast so much. I listened to

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Speaker 2: put on everything, So really enjoy it. Keep doing what

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Speaker 1: All right. Thanks for the voicemail. Evett. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, is Jamie from the eight o three down

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Speaker 3: here in South Carolina. First of all, love your podcast,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely love him. I have a very boring job and

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Speaker 3: that one comment I wanted to make on the actors

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Speaker 3: playing people Bohemian Rhapsody. My oldest son was absolutely addicted

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Speaker 3: but we watched that so many times and it's absolutely

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Speaker 3: astounding how shot by shot they recreated that. Raymon Malick,

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Speaker 3: first of all, is insanely good. I'm a Buddy mrcury

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Speaker 3: that live a thing is outrageous. It's amazing. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Jamie, You're welcome. This is a rap party question here,

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Speaker 1: but it's about music. So that's why we're gonna We're

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Speaker 4: What's up? Jakie Hollow from a nine to five six

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Speaker 4: responding to you saying that you want to know a

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Speaker 4: Before asking about horrorcore. Reason being I'm a horror core

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Speaker 4: Of course, not as thain stream, but there's a lot

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Speaker 4: Not saying you got to focus on individuals, but as

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Speaker 1: Great to meet you, Hollow, Thanks for introducing yourself. I

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Speaker 1: You want to leave me a voicemail on anything we're

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Speaker 1: discussing here in Disgrace Cent. This week's question is who

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Speaker 1: if we did this again the Grateful Dead? Who we

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Speaker 1: talking about traveling Wilburies? I don't fucking know. It's not

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about one artist over ten episodes.

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Speaker 1: If we do this again, who the Who? Not the

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Speaker 1: Who the Dead? I kind of already did the Stones

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Speaker 1: this with the answers to your text and your dms.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Let's dive into some texts here.

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Speaker 1: Seven six oh writes in Hey, how about an episode

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Speaker 1: on spring of from SSD and what went wrong with

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