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Speaker 1: from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slam the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. I scared and nobody here's

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvc. You know the difference between JJ why and

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Speaker 1: guys like us? And I know that should be a

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Speaker 1: rhetorical question, Kyle, okay, and we'll get to where the

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Speaker 1: heck Darren is in a minute. We're talking about JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt here to open up, and there's never really a

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Speaker 1: right or wrong way to open up the podcast is there?

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Speaker 1: I think not here on Cardinals Underground, brought you by

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could do a whole podcast on the

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Speaker 1: difference between JJ Watt and a couple of dudes like us. See.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, like if it would be really short,

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Speaker 1: because there's just so many similarities, including NFL production, bank account.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't go on don't make us turn

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one example. We don't even have Wikipedia pages, Paul.

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Speaker 1: One small but telling example is when J. J. Watt,

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Speaker 1: the way he tells it, showed up for Day one

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Speaker 1: OTAs and he made a wrong turn. He went into

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Speaker 1: the neighboring sports complex that's on the border here, the

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Speaker 1: north side of Cardinals h the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Training Center to be quite accurate, So as he said,

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Speaker 1: he turned into the soccer fields it's a public sports complex,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, and then quickly realized, no, I'm in the

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Speaker 1: wrong driveway, the wrong parking lot. So he spent about

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Speaker 1: twenty seconds or so floundering round out in that auxiliary

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Speaker 1: the facilities. Twenty seconds he spent out in the auxiliary lot,

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Speaker 1: where I've spent some twenty plus years in that auxiliary

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Speaker 1: parking lot. So that's the difference, one of many between

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Speaker 1: yours truly, Paul pencil Neck and JJ Watt. But we

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Speaker 1: will always have those twenty seconds where we've done it,

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Speaker 1: We've accidentally turned into that soccer field lot, and now

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Speaker 1: jj Watt has done it. We all put our pants

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Speaker 1: leaning into the other side of it, Paul, where we

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Speaker 1: have more similarities with jj Watt than we do difference.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, JJ Watt can now relate

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Speaker 1: to us exactly what life would be like if you

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Speaker 1: a shouttle ride to the front door. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: we're not lost. We're just we're just like the third

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Speaker 1: in life. So there you go. That's a little anecdote

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Speaker 1: biggest blunder of the off season. This is what we

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Speaker 1: call four tiers here, Kyle. Okay, we could start this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Underground with news on what we believe

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Speaker 1: we believe Okay, I believe I believe to be a

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Speaker 1: future Cardinals tight end dot dot dot. I could start

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Speaker 1: with a Cardinals pro bowler who has replaced Justin Pugh

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Speaker 1: as a Pro Football Focus Enemy number one. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to that, there's no doubt about it. We could talk

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Speaker 1: about QB one putting the off into off season at

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Speaker 1: on the uniform questions. Okay, it's out of his purview.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I have not been submitting those mail bag questions.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that money. We don't have time for

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Speaker 1: because we have an OTA set to talk about Kyle,

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Speaker 1: and here we go. How about how about dueling takeaways

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Speaker 1: how they account for which. Yeah, I know it's one

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the phase and all that. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: much dueling takeaways Number one, Here we go. Jj Watt

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Speaker 1: I have three receiving touchdowns as a tight end with

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Speaker 1: Houston Circuit twenty fourteen. The second team is in. No,

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Speaker 1: flex tight end, and while I'm doing it, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be yelling out. You don't want any of this smoke

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Speaker 1: But just talking about him, overall, Like we've all seen

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Speaker 1: superstars come into Arizona and the Cardinals and you don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're getting. I mean, some guys can have

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Speaker 1: tell he's totally bought in. Like you said, he's excited

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Speaker 1: He was all about it that that Ota session and

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Speaker 1: having somebody like that who's one of the big names

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying leadership is super vital. Are you sure, now, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: at least the stalwarts, the key personnel, so he knows

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Speaker 1: how to motivate those guys. He knows how to talk

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Speaker 1: big deal to guys like Zach Allen. Less than two

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Speaker 1: months ago, I did an event with Zach and he

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Speaker 1: told the audience he still looks at his phone when

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Speaker 1: he gets text messages from JJ Watt. He's like, Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's still semi starstruck because here's a guy through high

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Speaker 1: And look, the Cardinals have three key younger defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: Richard Lawrence. So that's it. But we do agree the

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Speaker 1: leadership maybe not so much, but we do agree that

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Speaker 1: the nine route has to come out of JJ Watt's

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Speaker 1: a stop route, get yourself between the dB and the football, JJ.

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Speaker 1: Earls on the Cardinals. And let's hope it's not JJ Watt.

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Speaker 1: did the Seahawks find this plus size cornerback again? They're

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Speaker 1: always coming up with a corner who's six one, six two, seemingly,

427
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Speaker 1: And to see the Cardinals with a Tag Gallan out

428
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: there and a Marco Wilson some corners with size. Malcolm

429
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: Butler is not a small dude. It was It's refreshing

430
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Speaker 1: to see that sort of site. Now, do I have

431
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Speaker 1: any idea whether these guys could play, whether they're gonna

432
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: make the team. They've made the All Airport Team, that's

433
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: all they mean. They looked apart right now. But in

434
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Speaker 1: terms of takeaways and what you can glean from an ota,

435
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I can see why the Cardinals invested

436
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: draft picks in those corners. Yeah, and when you talk

437
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: about a six foot one cornerback, obviously the worry is

438
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: always the fluidity and playing that position. You have to

439
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: flip your hips and be able to move laterally very

440
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: quickly to keep up with these receivers. And when you're bigger,

441
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: that's just harder to do. So can they do that?

442
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: But you're right If they can, then having that length

443
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: is huge when the ball is in your vicinity to

444
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Speaker 1: get pass breakups, interceptions. I mean, having a length advantage

445
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: against the receiver is quite important. So you're right if

446
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: either of those guys can play well and then maybe

447
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: get a role, and obviously that takes away some of

448
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: the concern about that position, which legitimately we all still have.

449
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: We're still wondering how that cornerback's gonna look, and we

450
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: keep on wondering will they add another veteran to that mix.

451
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Speaker 1: And that's why I think these next couple weeks are

452
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Speaker 1: important for those young guys. I don't think you can

453
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Speaker 1: tell a bunch about a running game or a pass

454
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: rusher in OTAs in mini camp, but cornerbacks I think

455
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: you can. I mean you can't really press or do

456
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but you can see if you can

457
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: shadow a guy in OTAs in mini camp, and maybe

458
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: they'll get their first glimpse of guys like Gowen and Wilson,

459
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Speaker 1: and as far as Robert Alford goes, the question isn't

460
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Speaker 1: whether he can play. The question is whether he can

461
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. So the fact that Alfred's out there in

462
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Speaker 1: early June and going seemingly in full through all the drills,

463
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Speaker 1: to me, that's a really good sign that Okay, maybe

464
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: just maybe you can pencil him into this depth chart. Yeah,

465
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: And the fact that these injuries haven't been like ligaments

466
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Speaker 1: or anything. I mean, they're the injuries which we're kind

467
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: of freak accidents, but nothing nothing like an acl or

468
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: an achilles, something that I feel like can really derail

469
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: a career. I mean, he's at the age and with

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Speaker 1: the injury history where you always have it in the

471
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Speaker 1: back of your mind, and I don't think anybody's gonna

472
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Speaker 1: feel completely comfortable until you get to the end of

473
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Speaker 1: the season and he plays it all. But yeah, right

474
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Speaker 1: now he's healthy and out there practicing, So it's it's

475
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: a good thing at this point, and you just kind

476
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: of have to figure out, are we comfortable enough with this,

477
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Speaker 1: Are we worried that something's gonna pop up and then

478
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in pretty dire straits, or do they

479
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Speaker 1: feel confident. And that's a big question for Steve Kin

480
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: because cornerbacks are pretty expensive. If you want a solid

481
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: corner that's a few million dollars off your cap. So

482
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of the big question in these next couple

483
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: of months. And that's actually one of my takeaways was

484
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Speaker 1: what if times three? What if Robert Alfred can stay healthy? Man?

485
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: What would that do for this defense? What if it

486
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips as a full year to match his measurables.

487
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: He is such a mountain of the man. And when

488
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Speaker 1: they're running some of those you know it's the OTAs,

489
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Speaker 1: But when they're lining up in your two interior defensive

490
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Speaker 1: lineman or JJ Watt and Jordan Phillips, yeah, you can

491
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Speaker 1: daydream a little bit. Jordan Phillips is completely the forgotten man,

492
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: isn't he? Like nobody talks about him on that defensive line.

493
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Speaker 1: And you look at the contract the Cardinals gave him

494
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Speaker 1: last offseason, and they clearly believed he could be a

495
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: disruptor on the interior of the defensive line. And now

496
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Speaker 1: you've got JJ Watt, and you've got Chandler Jones, and

497
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: you've got Marcus Golden. You've got some legit pass rushers

498
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Speaker 1: around him, and Jordan Phillips is going to have as

499
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Speaker 1: many one on one opportunities as most guys on the

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Speaker 1: interior in the NFL, So the opportunity is absolutely there

501
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: for him. And I agree that's like, that's how you

502
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: can reach the next level defensively, is JJ Watt stays healthy,

503
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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips stays and all those guys produce like they

504
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Speaker 1: have in their careers. You're talking about a serious front

505
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: four and that's the dream and that's the ceiling. But

506
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: it's legitimate because they've all done it in their careers.

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00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point. If you have Chandler

508
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: Jones on one side and JJ Watt on the other man,

509
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: talk about the forgotten man, absolutely, Jordan Phillips skin can eat.

510
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean a Lecky Foeto or a Chard Lawrence, whoever

511
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: else might be in there. That's a serious opportunity to

512
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Speaker 1: produce if you're anyone on that defensive front not named

513
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: JJ Water Chandler Jones. And as we've talked about, like

514
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: interior pressure just messes up a pass play so fast,

515
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Speaker 1: even if it's not a sack, the quarterback can't step

516
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: up in rhythm and then it throws the entire playoff balance.

517
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: So if if JJ Watt is playing defensive tackle, you

518
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: know he's getting double team, which means that Jordan Phillips

519
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: is probably getting a one on one. And if you

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Speaker 1: win that, or even if you just push that guard

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Speaker 1: center back and make the quarterback uncomfortable, that can disrupt

522
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Speaker 1: a play. So I think I'm right there with you.

523
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: Or to Phillips is a huge piece of this defense

524
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Speaker 1: if he can reach the heights he did with Buffalo

525
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, the other one Robert Alfred,

526
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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips. And then I looked over at the offensive

527
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Speaker 1: side of the field a few times and I saw

528
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: eighty seven. I saw Max Williams make a nice catch.

529
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Speaker 1: He's such a natural pass catcher for a tight end.

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00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't fight the football, he appears healthy, he's running free.

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Speaker 1: You're like, man, if Max Williams can just stay healthy

532
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: this year, because you know he is that rare dual

533
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Speaker 1: tight end. You can count on him to make the

534
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Speaker 1: catch and make the block, and he really is an

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Speaker 1: every down tight end. If he can be an every

536
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: down health kind of guy, totally, yeah, I think he's

537
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: definitely an underrated player. And like you said, like almost

538
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: every tight end seems to have one huge strength or

539
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: the other, and dan Arnold was the receiving tight end

540
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: and some of these other guys are pure blocking tight ends,

541
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Speaker 1: and I think Max Williams leans toward the blocking tight

542
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: end at this point in his career. But you're right,

543
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: if you tell him to go run a route, he

544
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: might not have this great quickness or elusiveness that dan

545
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: Arnold did, but he can run his route and he

546
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: can catch the ball solidly. Like I don't think the

547
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals would have any issue rolling him out there and

548
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: having him do either. And it really disguises your look offensively.

549
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: You don't know if Max Williams is blocking or going

550
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: for a route where if Dan Arnold was out there,

551
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: sometimes he was split into the slot. And it was

552
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: ten personnel a lot last year without calling it ten

553
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: personnel because dan Arnold was technically a tight end, but

554
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: he played kind of a hybrid wide receiver role. But

555
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: Max Williams is definitely more of that traditional tight end,

556
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's a big piece. You're right, health permitting.

557
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of injuries throughout his

558
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: career and if he stays healthy, if Robert Alfred stays healthy,

559
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: if Jordan Phillips stay healthy, then you're talking about best

560
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: case scenario for this team. All right, So you have

561
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: Max Williams, Durrell Daniels you mentioned, and he's mainly a

562
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: blocking tight end, and then what it's undefined after that,

563
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: you have a number of drafted rookie free agents. You

564
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: have the international player Bernhard's Psychovits. I had a mandatory Psycho.

565
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: By the way, it was mandatory streblo last year. We've

566
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: already come to the conclusion Mandatory Psycho gotta get the

567
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: international page views and the love from German bird gang

568
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: and the Vienna Vikings getting all the love overseas when

569
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: it comes to any sort of hashtag, feel the burn

570
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bernhard's Psychovits. The moment I told

571
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: you I think his nickname was Psycho, I just saw

572
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: you light up, and you haven't stopped lighting up since

573
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: I still I didn't. I never confirmed that his nickname

574
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: was Psycho. I just saw that a few places. It

575
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, No, Paul hasn't betten it a million times. Yeah, well,

576
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's not like it was

577
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: some great innovation, you know, I mean O yeah, So

578
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: so there you go. I'm pretty sure it is. The

579
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: question is who else will be in that room? And

580
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: that brings us to the fact that, hey, if you

581
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: check your calendar June first as coming gone, does that

582
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: mean the arrival sometime soon? Tick tk of oh, I

583
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: don't know a zach Ertz who. By the way, Kyle,

584
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you sources telling me he's been in

585
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: the valley recently. You're like, come on, CALVC. His wife

586
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: is Julie Art's team USA Soccer star and she's a

587
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Mason native, and of course they're gonna no, no no, no,

588
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: not this time of year. He typically doesn't spend time

589
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: in the a Z when it's around one hundred degrees.

590
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: By the way, the Eagles OTA's are going on, So

591
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: what does that mean? The trade speculation is in earnest

592
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: right now. Supposedly a half dozen teams are in on it.

593
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: And you can't tell me that the Cardinals and zach

594
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Ertz don't consider this to be an ideal fit. Now,

595
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: can they figure out perhaps the trade compensation between the

596
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Cardinals And maybe, just maybe there's a

597
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: former teammate swap of Jordan Hicks to the Eagles to

598
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: go back to his former team and zach Ertz to

599
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: the a Z. Yeah, I mean there's there's always big

600
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: names that get bandy about, and most of it doesn't

601
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: make sense. But I agree with you, like you look

602
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: at what the Cardinals need at tight end and what

603
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: zach Ertz has done in his career, especially the fact

604
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: that he's a receiving first tight end, which you look

605
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: at this roster and I don't see anybody fitting that

606
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: bill that Dan Arnold did last season. It all comes down,

607
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: like you said, to trade compensation salary. I mean, there's

608
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: some moving parts which make it a little bit a

609
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: little bit harder to figure out. But yeah, if you

610
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: told me that the Cardinals traded for zach Ertz sometime

611
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: this offseason, certainly wouldn't surprise me. I think you just

612
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: have to figure out is he worth the salary he's getting.

613
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: Can he still be the player he used to be.

614
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Obviously a Pro Bowl tight end, a very good receiving

615
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: tight end, so he would fit a need if you

616
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: still believe he can do that sort of thing. And yeah,

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00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean the need at tight end is so great

618
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: that I'm with you. I think it makes a lot

619
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: of sense. And if you believe the reports, the Eagles

620
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: waited until June first to make the inevitable move because

621
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: that of saving five million, they can now save eight

622
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: point five million on the cap, So it's significant extra

623
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: savings under the cap if they waited to post June first.

624
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: The question, now, to your point, is Okay, that's still

625
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: a pretty big number, even though you're talking about a

626
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: tight end. Like, for example, who's this stat over the

627
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: last five season most twenty yard plays among tight ends

628
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: over the last five years. Travis Kelsey number one, Gronk

629
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: number two, George Kittle number three, zach Ertz number four.

630
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, he has a track record, but he also

631
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: has an injury riddled and pretty miserable twenty twenty season.

632
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Albeit he was playing with It's sort of like to

633
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: me aj Green with the Bengals zach Ertz was with

634
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: the Eagles. He had a quarterback who just couldn't get

635
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: you the ball, just couldn't get you accurate targets, and

636
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: he couldn't stay healthy. Aj Green obviously wasn't one hundred

637
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: percent last year either. But if you're looking for someone

638
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Speaker 1: who fits the m O. A guy who's thirty, who's

639
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty one this season, with a lot of

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00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: past glory on his resume, looking to resurrect things and

641
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: make one last run. Zach Ertz fits perfectly with so

642
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: many other signings that Cardinals have made in the all season.

643
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I've definitely written that a couple of times this off season.

644
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: You're right, AJ Green JJ Watt are both right in

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Speaker 1: that alley, and we've talked about can they revitalize their

646
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: great careers here in Arizona, And we've talked about this

647
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: window of time where Kyler Murray is still on his

648
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: rookie contract and he's cheap. So, like we said, it

649
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: all lines up. It comes down to do they think

650
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: he's still the same player? Are you okay with that salary?

651
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Is their trade compensation? Is it a game of chicken

652
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: where these teams think zach Ertz might be released and

653
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: you can get him for cheaper, or is it a

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00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: trade compensation thing where the Eagles are holding out for

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00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: the best possible draft pick and they're talking to a

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: few teams. There's just there's a lot of things we're

657
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: not privy too that are going on behind the scenes

658
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: that are hard to figure out, So we'll see if

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00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: it happens. And there's you know, we don't look at

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00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: the rosters of all the other teams in the NFL too.

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00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: There might be somebody saying, we feel like zach Ertz

662
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: could help us a lot too, and maybe that will happen.

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00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, if you add zach Ertz to

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Speaker 1: this offense, I think it helps it quite a bit.

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00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: I think you need to get this passing game better

666
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: and adding a bona fide Pro Bowl tight end would

667
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: obviously help it if he can reach that level again,

668
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: because look, as much talent as a Cardinals might have

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Speaker 1: on paper, there's still some unknowns when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the passing game. AJ Green, what's it going to be

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00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: all about? Yeah, you can make a compelling case, and

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Speaker 1: we have here on Cardinals under Ground, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the Years on

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals at Aj Green could be a likely candidate

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Speaker 1: for NFL Comeback Player of the Year, says Frosty Rucker

676
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: and others, who's former teammate on the Big Red Rage.

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00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Then again, is he ever going to be the same

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00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: coming off the injury? Because he wasn't last year, Christian

679
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Kirk stole a conundrum, stole the enigma what exactly you're

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00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: so if you add a pass catching tight end like

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Speaker 1: as zach Ertz to go of the Max Williams, at

682
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: least Cliff Kingsbury has options if some of the guys

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00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: you're counting on in the receiving room don't materialize. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think just looking back at last year is

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: a good example where Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray's first

686
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: year they made these great strides and according to Football

687
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Outsiders they were number thirteen. I believe in offensive efficiency

688
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: after being dead last with the Josh Rose and Sam

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00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Bradford team, and then we thought it was going to

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00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: improve because DeAndre Hopkins was coming and look at this

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00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps of Hopkins and Christian Kirk and Larry Fitzgerald.

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00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: Can all of them have a thousand yards receiving That

693
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: was a narrative in training camp, and by the end

694
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: of it their offense was ranked below average. And it

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: was efficient early in the season and very good at times,

696
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: but overall it regressed in twenty twenty. So that's why,

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00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: like you said, we're tapping the Brakes a little bit.

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: You look at what's on paper adding Aj Green and

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00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore, and that's good, but you gotta go out

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00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: there and do it. I mean, Aj Green to me

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: is a big, wild hard Will he be the guy

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00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: he used to be? Will there be more injuries? I mean,

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00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: will Christian Kirk work out in the slot? You could

704
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: see this team taking a big jump offensively or being

705
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: this middling passing game again and not really reaching that,

706
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, kind of peak where you want to get.

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00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think adding a zach Ertz would give

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00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: you another option and give you another playmaker. And that's why,

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00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: like we've been saying, I think that would be a

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00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: realistic addition because of where they're at and because maybe

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: he's the guy that can help give you somebody else

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00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: on the field that will take the attention of defenses.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned football outsiders dot com? Is that was that

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00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: what you reference? There? Is there a site called football

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00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: outlandish dot com? Because who exactly is responsible for the

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Speaker 1: metric that rated Buddha Baker as the sixteenth best safety

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00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: in the out of oh here? It is Pro football Focus. Now, look,

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm not a hater of Pro Football Focus. Justin Pugh

719
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: was a spokesperson leading that chart show for the last

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00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: couple of years until he got rated among some of

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the past best passing blocking grades in the NFL last year.

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00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: So somebody had to take that mantle, and it appears

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Speaker 1: to be Buddha Baker based on his Twitter feed, as

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Speaker 1: he was none too happy with being rated the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: best safety in the NFL and cow Look, I know

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: you're a numbers guy, but is there any way to

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00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: defend that rating? I mean to me, if you see

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker is the sixteenth best safety in the NFL,

729
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: you gotta take your rating system. You gotta put it

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Speaker 1: in the garage, put it up on blocks, and you

731
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: got to rebuild the engine. I'm sorry, maybe even replaced

732
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: the chassis because it's broken. How can you have a

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Speaker 1: rating system that puts him of his sixteenth best safety

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah. The one caveat I would say

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00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: in favor of Pro Football Focus is that we don't

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Speaker 1: personally see the other teams on a consistent basis. So

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00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: they are watching all the tape of all thirty two teams,

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00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: and maybe there are several safeties that are really good

739
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: players that we don't see as much as we see Buddha.

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00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: That being said, they calculate their grades on coverage when

741
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: the ball is thrown at you. They do the run

742
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: stopping grades, I believe, just when you make the tackle

743
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: or when you're kind of around the ball. I mean,

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00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: it's not an all encompassing grading system. And that's the

745
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: issue I've always had with it. If Buddha Baker does

746
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a great job in coverage and doesn't get the ball

747
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: thrown at him, he doesn't get rewarded for that. It's

748
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: just all the targets is how they really grade it.

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Speaker 1: And I think they've made strides to look about how

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00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: many yards you allow in coverage on a personap basis,

751
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: But I still think the bulk of it is how

752
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: you do when the ball is thrown at you. And

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker's game is not just locked down corner like

754
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: a Patrick Peterson. Buddha Baker does a lot defensively, which

755
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: isn't just charted in how did he do when the

756
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: ball is thrown when he was the nearest defender, because

757
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: sometimes there will be catches and maybe that wasn't his guy,

758
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: or maybe he was helping somewhere else or doing something else,

759
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: and we've just seen like all the chase down tackles

760
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: that he's not going to get a plus four grading

761
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: wise and plays. Is there a better open field tackler

762
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL than Buddha Baker, right, yeah, And you know,

763
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: just the nature of his position. Hello, it's called a safety,

764
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: he's the safety valve. Just to me that that should

765
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: be the one criterion that should be up near the

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Speaker 1: top when it comes to waiting in this grading system.

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00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: Point yeah, yeah, because if you missed the tackle there,

768
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: like we saw a couple of years ago with Christian

769
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: McCaffrey on one of the backup safeties that was a

770
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: seventy five yard touchdown run instead of fifteen yards. And

771
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker and even Jayalen Thompson to a lesser extent,

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: don't give up those big runs because they are such

773
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: sure tacklers. And you're right, when you're the last line

774
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: of defense, it should be waited more than a guy

775
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage where he gave up a

776
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: four yard game because he missed the tackle instead of two, Like,

777
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: that's not as big a deal. So yeah, I think

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00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: there are some still issues with the grading and some

779
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: of it I think is good because we understand and

780
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: where everybody ranks in the entire NFL, so I think

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: it's a valuable service, but there's still holes in it,

782
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: and the fact that a lot of them they haven't

783
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: been able to quantify everything on a football field, which

784
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: is really hard to do compared to baseball. So I

785
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: think that would miss the mark. I think he's certainly

786
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: a top ten safety, probably a top five safety for

787
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: everything he does, so I agree with Buddha that he

788
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: should have gone off on Twitter like he did, because

789
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: that was some disrespect for Buddha Baker. I think it

790
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: was last month NFL Films tweeted out we retweeted it.

791
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: It was Mike Tomlin miked up in the Steelers Cardinals

792
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: game from two years ago and just just Mike Tomlin's

793
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: reaction over the course of the game watching Buddha Baker

794
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: play one of his best games. Yeah, and I remember

795
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Seattle miked up a couple of years ago before he

796
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: was our serious superstar. Is the same thing, Bobby Wagner

797
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: and Guy. I mean, if you talk about respect from

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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: your peers, Buddha Baker, it was probably the number one

799
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: safety in the NFL based off everything we've heard, people

800
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: just rave about the way he plays, and that's that

801
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: might be the missing element to PF where they didn't

802
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: they aren't able to quantify that as well as the

803
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: coaches that really know and the players that really know

804
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: what he's doing on a snap to snap basis. And look,

805
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: you can have your analytical formula and there can be

806
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: some anomalies. I get it, But I think where Buddha

807
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Baker was legitimately insulted was in the right up because

808
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: and I scrolled it up right here PF Road and

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00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: I quote, Unfortunately for Buddha Baker, the most memorable play

810
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: of his season and arguably his career is getting chased

811
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Speaker 1: down from behind by a flying DK Metcalf to prevent

812
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: a defensive touchdown. But Baker is a big hitting safety

813
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: has always excelled against the run. Buddha didn't take kindly

814
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: to that, and he tweeted in response, quote, my most

815
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: memorable play was my first interception with a big ass

816
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: thumb club on my hand. Y'all want to talk about

817
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: fingers being bleeped up, try playing a game in pain

818
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: knowing you have surgery the next day. So look, DK

819
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Metcalf didn't just run down Buddha Baker. He flew past

820
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson as well. He flew past everyone on that field.

821
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf just ran in a heat with Olympic sprinters.

822
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: So to me, that's not a blemish or a crime

823
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: where you're going the length of the field and you

824
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: got caught within the ten yard line by DK Metcalf. Yeah,

825
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely the most memorable play of Buddha

826
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: Baker's career. I don't think that's arguable, Like everybody knows

827
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: that play, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

828
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: Like he intercepted the ball on a drive that was

829
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: a sure touchdown drive and got it back to what

830
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: the six yard line, returning it that far. Just because

831
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: he got caught from behind doesn't take away from how

832
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: incredible that play was. And that's a good picture of

833
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: what Buddha Baker can do. Or thinking back and listening

834
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: to him, I don't even think that was his man

835
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: on that play, and he realized that they messed up

836
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: the coverage show, so he shot over there and made

837
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: the play which isn't going to be charted in anything

838
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus does. And yeah, I mean dk Metcalf

839
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: was running at a superhuman speed, and it's like if

840
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: this was Buddha Baker in college and he got caught,

841
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: and then you're wondering, Okay, well his speed translate to

842
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: the NFL, Like we have that answer. Even if he's

843
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: not a four three five guy. Buddha Baker is an

844
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: all pro safety. He doesn't need that speed for the

845
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: way he plays. So in that one instance, it hurt

846
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: him a little bit because he didn't get the touchdown.

847
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: But overall, I mean, Buddha Baker plays as fast as

848
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: anybody defensively. It was just in that one scenario where

849
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: he got caught. But that is far from a blemish.

850
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: As you said, I mean, that's that was a superhuman

851
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: play by Buddha Baker. And then DK Metcalf. Think about

852
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals looked like in the one game minus

853
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker last year, right Carolina, it's sort of akin

854
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: to think of the Sons right now in their playoff

855
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: run without CP three. Think of what the Sons were

856
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: without Steve nashback in the day Steve Nash clenched his

857
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: two MVPs because he missed a stretch with injury, and

858
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: their Sons were a disaster without their captain and their

859
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: point guard. That's what I think of when I think

860
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: of a Buddha Baker. Yeah, and I'm thinking on the

861
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: offensive side too with Kyler Murray, where you can grade

862
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: him pro football focus wise on his throwing and every

863
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: time he runs it, but you don't quantify how much

864
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: he messes with a defense with the threat to run

865
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: and what kind of what our pos do when what

866
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: play action does when he's a threat to go and

867
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: opening up a defense, Like, there are just so many

868
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: moving parts in football, and I do think they're trying

869
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: their best and giving a legitimate shot at grading these guys.

870
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to get better as we

871
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: get more data, But right now, there's just it's just

872
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: hard to accurately grade football players. I think you get

873
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: a decent window of a player. It's like Buddha Baker

874
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: is obviously one of the best. We can quibble about

875
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: where he ranks. At least it shows that he's a

876
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: good safety, but it's still not at the point where

877
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: we have this great detail of exactly pinpointing how good

878
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: some of these players are. Now speaking of taking at

879
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: the length of the field, here's my next prop bet.

880
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: You're ready, and Kyle, I gotta get you ready for this.

881
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: You don't realize how the world is going to change

882
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: effect of September ninth in Arizona. With legalized sports gambling,

883
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: there are gonna be prop bets everywhere you turn. Okay,

884
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: So here's Paul kalbc's two weeks notice in late August.

885
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: PAULI prop bet. I'm rational gambler, I'm ready and Willie,

886
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: here we go. Uh here, this is one I created.

887
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: I want you to answer yes or no. This is

888
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the prop bet. Will the Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty

889
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: one score a touchdown on a kickoff or punt return?

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: That's a good question. David Johnson was the I'm buying

891
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: you sometime. David Johnson was the last Cardinal to score

892
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: on a kickoff return. That was Week two, twenty fifteen

893
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: at Chicago. We all remember that. Hard to believe that's

894
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: the last time they scored, but you know what, it's

895
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: been longer since they scored a punt return touchdown. That

896
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: was Ted Gain twenty fourteen, also week two, if you

897
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: remember against the Giants. Yeah, so you know you look

898
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: at Rondale Moore. You look at some of the options

899
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: returning kicks and you like to believe this could be

900
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: the year, but history says no. Don't say yes, say no.

901
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: When it comes to the prop bed, will the Arizona

902
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals score on a kickoff or punt return for touchdown

903
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah? I mean I have to look at

904
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: it logically, like you just ran down for me. At first,

905
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: I was fifty to fifty, but if it hasn't happened

906
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: in five years, I'm definitely taking no as the answer.

907
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: And at this point, kickoffs are just so hard to return.

908
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to do it because they get the ball

909
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: at the twenty five, so that's almost obsolete. So it'd

910
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: basically be can they return a punt? And it's certainly

911
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: a better chance this season than the last couple. And

912
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is a very solid catcher of the football

913
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: on punts. He's not going to give you any worries

914
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: about muffing a punt because he's just so natural at it.

915
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: But he didn't have that dynamic punt return scare you

916
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: take it to the house type ability Rondale Moore. We'll

917
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: see maybe he does have that, and maybe you can

918
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: sneak one and get there if you can. That's huge

919
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: and I think they want him as a receiver, but

920
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: that was a big conversation as we can put him

921
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: at punt return, so they truly believe in his punt

922
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: return ability, his lateral ability in addition to his top

923
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: end speed. So if they get that element touchdown or not,

924
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: even if it's even if it's a healthy gain on

925
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: some punts, that can help a lot. Speaking of punts,

926
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: did you happen to notice number sixteen out at OTAs

927
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm taking that as verification confirmation that my theory of

928
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: drafting a punter in the off season, the box that

929
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: was not checked was finally addressed as Tyler Newsome is

930
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: the new punter in town. They have brought. You know, look,

931
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: once again, I thought it was a mistake in the

932
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: off season, so they try to remedy that. I'll give

933
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: props to whoever on acycrdels dot com found the picture

934
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: of Tyler Newsom because that mustache's rocking and the Chargers

935
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: uniform makes it reminds me that effective in July when

936
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I when I go on vacation, when I pull it,

937
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Darren Urban, I'm gonna bring back my mustache. Of course,

938
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I should probably start now since I need a three

939
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: or four week head start. But anyway, Tyler Knewsome Pomo

940
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: was out there joining Andy Lee in the punting department.

941
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: So clearly the front office just is a little bit

942
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: behind on Cardinals Underground and they listen to the draft

943
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: week episode and said, good idea, we need a second punter,

944
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: and here comes Tyler Newsome. I mean I did get

945
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: questions about it. It's like, what's up with Andy Lee?

946
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Andy Lee is just fine, but he's thirty eight,

947
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: So I think you want to look and not necessarily

948
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: for this season, but get a free tryout of a

949
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: young guy with some potential. You look at Andy Lee's

950
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: numbers over the last four years and they're really spectacular.

951
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: And the one question would be why did it go

952
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: down a decent chunk last season? Is that age or

953
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, natural ability? And you'll know in the offseason.

954
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: I think whether Andy Lee still has the juice in

955
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: his leg. But they resigned him, and I think there's

956
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: still a lot of confidence that Andy Lee can get

957
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: the job done and knew some I think, well, at

958
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: the most, try to maybe make the practice squad or

959
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: make an impression to being be brought back at some point.

960
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: But I still feel like Andy Lee is in a

961
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: in a good spot. Do you remember just recently it

962
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: was the last year I think it was last year.

963
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twenty ASU punter Michael Turk

964
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: at the combine and do you remember he did twenty

965
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: five reps of two twenty five on the bench Do

966
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: you realize that Tyler Newsom out bench pressed Michael Turk.

967
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: He did thirty reps. Wow? At his pro day? The

968
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: punter sixty three two nineteen thirty reps of two twenty five.

969
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: That's impressive. I guess gone or the days of the

970
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: skinny little punters, and it's like them Jay Feely stuff too.

971
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I always remember how ripped he was. No, don't say that,

972
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: edit that out. We can't let Jay Jay Feeley cannot

973
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: get win. That we've acknowledged as much. We just we

974
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: can't have that the upper body looking good. I mean,

975
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: I know they're kickers and punters, but they want to

976
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: have that upper body looking good too. Yeah, I'm not

977
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: Is there one position where the bench press means not

978
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: less than punting kicking? Right? I mean, what does it

979
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: means nothing. By the way, when I was looking up that,

980
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out, okay, how many times

981
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: in Michael Turk bench press and I was trying to

982
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: confirm that stat. Do you have any idea what the

983
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: all time low, the all time worst at a combine

984
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: is by any player at any position in terms of

985
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: reps of two twenty five zero close one rep by

986
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: Fred Smoot, the cornerback. I don't know. Some ten years ago,

987
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: one rap of two twenty five. I wonder how many

988
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: JJ Nelson did back in the day had to have

989
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: been single digits. That's true. Oh man. We always used

990
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: to ask jj Nelson every camp in August, coming off

991
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: the field, every one of the crag come on, JJ,

992
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: what are you up to? Have you cracked one sixty?

993
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: And he kind of he'd looked down at his shoetops

994
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: and we're like, what do you add? He's like one

995
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: fifty eight. He couldn't crack one sixty. The first two years,

996
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: Bruce arians was like, Yeah, we're gonna get him a

997
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: little bit heavier, and towards the end he's like, nah,

998
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: we'll just let him run out there. He just needs

999
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: to be fast. We don't care how much you wis.

1000
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: And then the one time it was against the Bengals

1001
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: in the primetime game, he got caught by a defensive end.

1002
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Remember that he had the long speed. Larry never lets

1003
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: anybody forget anything but the hard time he gave JJ

1004
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: Nelson about being caught by a two hundred and eighty

1005
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: something found defensive end who albeit had the angle, but

1006
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: still that was no that was an that was a

1007
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: no compreendo. I don't remember watching that. Everyone's on the

1008
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: field goal. Wait a minute, did that just happen? How

1009
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: did JJ Nelson just get caught by that massive dude? Yeah,

1010
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: that's your that's your big skill, JJ, runfat. It's sort

1011
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: of like Kyler Murray wearing the knit cap out at OTAs.

1012
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: That's the other picture I love an asy Cardinals dot com. Yeah,

1013
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: what is it about coaches who it's one hundred degrees

1014
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: plus will always wear the wind breaker, the pullover jacket

1015
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: just never fails coaches. And then in the cold weather games,

1016
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: those same coaches will go in shirt sleeves. Right, and

1017
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: then there's Kyler Murray with a nick cap and I

1018
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: think it was one two the day he pulled that off.

1019
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 1: See at least at least the guys with the long

1020
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: sleeves have a good excuse because they don't they don't

1021
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: want the tan where it's just on their arms and

1022
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: not just the sleeves. So they're just worried about sunburn

1023
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: and sun tan. But the knit cap, I don't know

1024
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: about that one. I don't know what I don't know

1025
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: what that does for you say, look, I guess all right,

1026
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: So any other takeaways, Kyle, I failed here without Darren

1027
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: urban to sort of be the purveyor of the direction

1028
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: of Cardinal's underground, and I failed to go in a

1029
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: direction you anticipated or needed me to take this. I mean,

1030
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: I just think it was good to see a big

1031
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: group of players back on the field. We didn't have

1032
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: it all of last offseason, and it had been trending

1033
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: this way with the vaccines for COVID nineteen and everything

1034
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: getting better and improving, so but it was it was

1035
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: still nice for that to happen and to kind of

1036
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: get back to that little bit of normalcy where we'll

1037
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: have a couple of weeks of players on the field

1038
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: and we can debate how much it means and how

1039
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: much they get out of it, but they're at least

1040
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: building some amroderie and some knowledge of each other and

1041
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: knowing what makes each guy tick. So I think that's

1042
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: helpful going into training camp, and then it'll obviously be

1043
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: full go in camp, but it's nice to have the

1044
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: players back around here after obviously last season nothing and

1045
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: even earlier this season not very much compared to a

1046
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: usual year. I'm honestly trying to remember what does a

1047
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: mini camp look like again? Have they changed the rules?

1048
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Will there be helmets and shoulder pads during a mini camp?

1049
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Will we actually get maybe the appearance the threat of

1050
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of contact or is that strictly prohibited.

1051
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to remember after we didn't have it

1052
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: last year, what should we anticipate a mini camp will

1053
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: look like. I don't know exactly. I know it's definitely

1054
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: the most that they can do in the offseason before

1055
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: training camp, but I don't exactly remember how much is involved.

1056
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they wear their helmets and they can

1057
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: go eleven on eleven though, I think, yeah, yeah, so

1058
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I think it's as close as you can get to

1059
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: a regular practice. Obviously it's not tackling or anything thing

1060
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Speaker 1: major contact, but at least you can learn a bit

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Speaker 1: about those players in the trenches will find out nothing.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, we can at least get an

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Speaker 1: eyeball up whether Robert Alfred's moving pretty well, whether the

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Speaker 1: rookie corners, if they're matched up on a DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: how do they fare. You can at least get a

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Speaker 1: sense and look, if you talk to players, players claim

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Speaker 1: at least the veteran players they know they know by

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Speaker 1: the time mini camp has done whether a guy can

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: play or not. And for a guy like Zavin Collins

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Speaker 1: trying to learn mentally a lot of the stuff, and

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Speaker 1: you can see if he's swimming in it or if

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Speaker 1: he's getting it quicker. So there's definitely some upside to

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Speaker 1: these two weeks. And I agree like you've We've seen

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Speaker 1: plenty of cornerbacks get released going into training camp because

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Speaker 1: you can tell out there if they can cover. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's your job, and can you follow this guy around

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Speaker 1: or not? And same thing with receivers can you get open?

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Speaker 1: So it's not the end all be all by any means,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hype up offseason too much,

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Speaker 1: but you can take things from it and some good

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Speaker 1: knowledge for the coaching staff and for the front office,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see if that means anything from a roster

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Speaker 1: standpoint as far as corner tight end, any other position

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Speaker 1: where maybe they think they definitely need somebody or somebody

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Speaker 1: stepped up enough where they feel like, all right, we

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: feel better about this position. Hey, if I'm Vance Joseph

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, if I'm the inside linebackers coach Bill Davis,

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Speaker 1: I go up to Cliff Kingsbury and say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: can you dial it up? Give us something really exotic,

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00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: give us something really complex. Just throw the kitchen sink.

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Speaker 1: It's a close practice. There's no prospect of anybody's seeing

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Speaker 1: anything or anything being released or put on video. The

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Speaker 1: fans obviously aren't allow. There can't be a leak of

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Speaker 1: any sort. You know what. Dial it up and let's

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Speaker 1: get a gauge where Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons truly stand.

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Speaker 1: And that's the hard part, right is he can understand

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Speaker 1: the vanilla stuff, but once it starts getting crazy, can

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Speaker 1: he handle the eye candy and the screen passes or

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Speaker 1: whatever they're going to try to do to him? And

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Speaker 1: that's that's huge. I agree, where you want to show

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Speaker 1: him at a lot of exotic stuff now and in

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Speaker 1: camp and see if he can handle it, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: he can. And even if he can't, how does he

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00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: learn from it and process it and then he sees

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Speaker 1: it a second and third and fourth time at that

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Speaker 1: point does he recognize it quicker? Because you can't count

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Speaker 1: on unseen any of that in the preseason. Everyone's gonna

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Speaker 1: keep it vinill in those three preseason games a point

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Speaker 1: as valuable as those games are now, of course, you

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Speaker 1: are going against New Orleans and Sean Payton, and Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton is kind of known as a guy who will

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Speaker 1: be that guy in the preseason. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: you kind of welcome Sean Peyton being that guy. If

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Speaker 1: he really wants to throw some regular season stuff at

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Speaker 1: you to maybe make you look bad, you know what,

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Speaker 1: bring it on, because we've got two rookie linebackers who

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00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: need to learn on the job. Yeah, and if you're

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Speaker 1: facing Taysom Hill, who's got a lot of different things

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Speaker 1: he can do, that's right. That's a baptism by a

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Speaker 1: fire there a little bit. That's right, because you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see Taysom Hill again in the regular season in the

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Speaker 1: form of Tim Tebow in week three, So there you go.

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals, we got in our Tim Tebow mentioned

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Speaker 1: dare I say, I'm just gonna go ahead, and you know, look,

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00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: we're an hour into it, so it really doesn't qualify

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Speaker 1: as pounding the chest. But did I not say hearn

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground that Tim Tebow would lead the NFL in

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Speaker 1: merch sales in July and August. I stand corrected. It'll

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Speaker 1: be May, June, July and August, because he was already

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Speaker 1: leading the NFL in May. And here we are in

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Speaker 1: early June, and I'm sure it's tracking the same way.

1134
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Speaker 1: Tebow merch is gonna sell like hotcakes, and then they're

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Speaker 1: gonna feature them you watch on Hard Knocks. They haven't

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Speaker 1: released this yet, have they, because you know, you know

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Speaker 1: the other reason why the Jaguars signed Tim Tebow is

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Speaker 1: because the TV producers want another storyline and supposedly reportedly

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Speaker 1: allegedly shod Con, the owner of the Jaguars, wants Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: So you can't tell me that the producers didn't go, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, mister owner. You know what really helped

1142
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Speaker 1: your chances is if we had a Tebow storyline to

1143
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Speaker 1: go along with this, because that's gonna bring eyeballs to HBO.

1144
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Speaker 1: So it's all coalescing and it's gonna happen. You got

1145
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, and you're gonna take Trevor

1146
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Speaker 1: Lawrence because we need you to take a quarterback, and

1147
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Speaker 1: then you're gonna sign Tim Tebow. And that's what they

1148
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Speaker 1: were told several months ago. It's right, Trevor Lawrence's hair

1149
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: and the Tebow factor and boom, there you go. That's

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Speaker 1: just made for reality TV. And that is this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground