WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: What Happen's Next? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.760 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:14.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This is the 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:19.960 Player's Loveage, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:25.320 the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:32.120 Newe Scrugs. Here we are on a Monday. Sorry a 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.240 little bit late today. One hundred percent of my fault, 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.800 I'm Newe Scrugs. It's players that It's Barry Church, Sir, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.480 number forty two, the Toledo Rocket, our other running buddy, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.880 Danny McCray has got the day. Oh hey, man, look 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.519 we don't need to fake it. And and let's get 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.720 to the point. We'll go straight to it. Dan Kelvin 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:53.320 Joseph Man, Calvin Joseph, come on, man, you guys to 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.600 be more careful. You got baby, Come on. This is 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.120 your lively, This is Joe. This is not you ain't 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.280 in you know, highest school, middle school, you ain't on 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.360 scholarship no more. This is your livelihood we're talking about. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.720 And for those who don't know what we're talking about, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.800 Calvin Joseph was you know, involved in a who wasn't 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.000 involved He was just in the same car. Right, the 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.880 same He was a part of a group that involved 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.680 in the drive by shooting. The man was killed, and 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.759 a man was killed in Dallas, and it happened over 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 a month ago. It happened last month, like March eighteenth, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.480 and it's happened a month ago. And that's he's a passenger. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.959 His agent's like, hey, he didn't shoot anybody. He didn't 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.040 pull the trigger. He was just a passenger. Okay, you're 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.040 still a part of it. You still there. You don't 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.000 say nothing to the cops. Hey, man, I don't know 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.560 if he told Dallas the you know, the organization or anything, 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.600 but you got that. You've seen the movie Boys in 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.120 the Hood, right, you've seen boy. We all seen Boys 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.240 in the Hood classic ice Cube film. Towards the end 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.040 of the film, ice Cube and his crew they're in 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.240 a car getting ready to do a drive back shooting 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.200 on a rival game Mark Cuban getting juniors in the car. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.360 They're paying, They're gonna pay it. They're gonna pay back 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.920 the guys who killed Cuban. Ye, Ricky, Ricky. So Cuban good. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.920 He's in the car. He sees what's about to happen, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.360 so he goes, you know, what the guy Ice Cube's 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.360 character was named Dope, Dope, let me out, Doe stop 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.359 the car, Let me out, Doe stop the car, Let 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.040 me out, dough let me out. And it was in 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.359 and and dope boy, he understood. He's like, hey man, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.200 he got something. Yeah, it's not you. This ain't your lifestyle. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.360 It's not You're not about this life. This isn't you. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.919 Let him go. He letn't go ahead, but go you out. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.880 So now I'll say this, without understanding and knowing the facts, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.600 we can bring up a movie, but we don't know. Yeah, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.520 this is true. If he understood that somebody was gonna 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.240 come out of the car, true straight blasting. So you know, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.200 you literally could have just been driving it. What what what? 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.720 What the world? What are you doing? Right? That's at 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.679 that time, after after it all went down, Let's just say, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.200 let's give him the benefit out. He knew nothing of 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.200 what was going on and just turned to its right 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.040 and saw somebody blasting. Let's just say, at that point, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.440 you gotta get the hell about it there. You gotta 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:03.840 blay that Hello, I'm out. You got to And ultimately 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.680 I think of it this way. You're running with guys 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.600 who don't care enough about your livelihood and your life. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.000 They're doing something like this that can get you in Trump. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.080 You're the meal ticket, that's it. What the mother dudes 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.360 got to lose. You are a second round draft choice 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.360 going into one of your most important seasons. You got 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.880 an opportunity to battle for a starting job and you 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.240 could be that next that corner that book in quarter 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.400 next to Traylon did y'all can have this whole thing 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.440 going on. But now that's all in jeopardy right now. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.200 Decisions we make. Man, if you're in that type of line, like, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.160 you've got to be smarter in that situation. I mean, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.600 I understand boys, loyalty, all that good stuff, But at 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.200 the end of the day, this is a livelihood. This 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.320 is not I mean, this is it's a blessing. It's 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.080 not like, you know, this is guarantee that you're gonna 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.560 be able to, you know, play the NFL and do 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.840 all this stuff. But for you to put yourself in 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.320 that type of situation, man, and it's concerning. I think 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.680 about Rolando McClain when he was here with the Cowboys 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.720 and the Cowboys brought him in from the Raiders is 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.720 kind of a reclamation project. He started off here. Great 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.520 Loano mcclains are fantastic football I don't believe in a 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.719 very smart fool. Yes, he is one of the smartest 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.760 I've been around him, but he simply would go home 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.240 to Alabama and the trouble would would find him, or 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.240 it would happen all over again. And at some points 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.839 you gotta stop going home to Alabama or under at 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.120 least understanding that some of the people that there are 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.800 people around you who don't have your best interest in home, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.560 and you, like the Godfather in that scene, I try 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.200 to get out there. Every time I try to get out, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.120 they pulled me back in. And it was some of 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 the undoing of his career. Without a doubt, it was 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.720 never based on the fact that he could not play. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.080 He was one of the most gifted athletes on the 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.560 football field. Like you said, one of the smartest defensive 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.360 minds that I've ever played around. I mean, he was 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.000 up there with Sean Lee as far as understanding what 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.239 offenses are trying to attack him and all this other stuff. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.039 I mean, that guy was phenomenal on the football field. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.279 But just as good as he was was on the 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.479 football field, I mean he had his demons and he 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.560 had his things off the field, and like you said, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.880 when he would go back to Alabama, these things were 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.440 weird or ugly head and it ended up being the undoing. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.320 I mean yeah, I mean it cost him. It easily 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.960 costs this young man eight nine years off his football 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.200 career because his type of knowledge that he had an 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:19.640 ability he could have played. It could have been in 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.600 Bobby Wagoner type, just the smartest all heck, even though 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.280 he might have lost the step, he would still being 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:25.840 able to play at a high level because his i 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.640 Q was off the charge, correct, I mean he was. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.839 And just to understand how how good he was. This 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.120 was a guy who was a significant player for Nick Saban. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.680 Yeah at Alabama to five he was definitely a top 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.640 he was a top fifteen, I know, but he was. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.440 But he was an impactful player. He was an impactful 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.080 football player. But I see this with Kelvin Joseph, and 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.920 we don't know what's going to happen next within this 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.200 legal system and what goes down and what they He 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.680 has not been charged to Other people that he was 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.400 with in the car have been charged with murder. He's 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.800 not been charged. We'll see exactly what happens to him. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.719 And let's say nothing happens. Let's say he's not charged 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.240 at all. Okay, the NFL can still get still right 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.480 personal conduct policy, they can, they can, they can do 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.280 something as well. But you come back into this position 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.080 of man, here's another second round draft pick, and he 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.680 had question marks coming in. Yeah. Yeah, everybody kind of 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.440 questions his seriousness. We know, did he want to be 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.279 a rapper, did he want to be a football player. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.760 I mean you were told as questions, you know, unless 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.000 you wanted you going. Yeah. LSUS had some characters and 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.080 some folks. Happens of stuff. So when LSU said, man, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.039 you're too hot for us, man um it it raised 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.839 a question and it Kentucky. There was some people it said, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.800 hey look man, Kentucky. They were like, hey man, this 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.120 needs to be your last game. We all need to 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.120 you need to go on. So those were those things 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.840 were out there about Kelvin Joseph. I'll say this, the 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.120 guy played good football. Talk to someone you know here 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.960 and with the organization there, like, hey man, he's playing 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.840 some good football. At the end. You once he once 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.839 he got healthy and he started to understanding he's playing 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.279 good football at the end. So we do know that 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.440 if you can play football, a lot of things can 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.719 be erased. The Cowboys will will will make an exception. Yes, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.320 that's that's league round. If you can, if you can ball. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.280 So I asked this question right now sit here, I 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:19.880 mean on April eighteen, if given the second opportunity to 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.040 play again, it's Kelvin Joseph ready to go take advantage 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.080 of the opportunity. Or are you gonna end up in 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.640 a situation where we saw Rolando McClean that that's really 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.880 that's you. You're at the fork in the road to 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.080 where you're going. Either you go that Rolando McLean route 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.600 where where the folks that you've been around and you 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.280 run with man um take you take you down that path, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.000 or do you fix yourself and take advantage of this 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.280 amazing opportunity that you have to play for the Dallas 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.240 Cowboys in a premier spot where they will pay you. Man, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.920 you know you're not playing nose tackle where you're gonna 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.920 get limited. You're you're a corner. You're gonna be on 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.360 the field they will pay you. In this league. There 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.880 are not many positions right now, and Beary, you play safety, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.640 it was the premium was a ceiling on what they 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.520 pay safety. But cornners you probably arguably you know the 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:13.320 third third highest. You know, quarterback, rushman, pass rush, us, receiver, corners. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.320 These these are four, Yeah, these are the four premier positions. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.400 And he's one of them, right, And the opportunities here 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.760 for you and and and look, man, it's it's it's 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.560 it's interesting. Our producer Chris Beam, says Alana McClain eight 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.319 and just and as a linebacker, that's very significant. You 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.000 don't see linebackers go that high. But that's how talented 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.199 the young man was. And that's the thing, man. I'm 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.480 not gonna sit the here to tell you that. No. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.840 Kelvin Joe, I don't know him. Talk to him just 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.640 briefly in the little when he's been made available here. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.880 I think I only chatted with him once last year. Um, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.000 it was good chatting me. It's good guy talked to 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.920 I Just look at this. I just like, man, dude, dude, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.360 if you get an opportunity and get yourself together, because 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:05.680 you you have an opportuny, huge opportunity to be a 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.120 part of something that if this defense keeps going in 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.079 the right direction, like we've seen last year. If they're 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.520 able to build off of that, I mean, you got 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.160 an opportunity to be a part of something special. And 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.280 like you said, there's two ways to go here. You 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.840 can learn from your lessons, you know, kind of get 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.360 yourself away from those guys that you know, kind of 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.720 have you in trouble or have you in situations that 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.319 you don't need to be in. You can get yourself 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.200 away from that focus strictly on football and being the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.840 best Cowboys player you can be. Or there's that other 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.560 you know way to go that where it's you know, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.400 all right, they let me off the whole, So I 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:35.719 mean I can get away with stuff out here, I 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.800 can get I can do this and that in the 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.640 third and you keep being in that street life and 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.520 Pepe being in that type of atmosphere, and your career 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.080 will not last for long if you if you if 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.040 you go down that route, it will not last for long. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.840 We've never seen something like that happened and a guy 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.679 bounced back like, oh man, this is nothing third or 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.400 fourth strike. No, it's not going to happen that way, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.880 all right. You got to focus on football and being 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.400 the best player you can be on the field and 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:01.040 off man. I would I really wish there could be 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:08.200 a conversation between Kelvin Joseph and Dion Sanders. Dion spoke 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.600 once about how when you know people say, hey, man, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.640 you know you change, You made this money, you change. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.079 He's like, you have to change, and if you don't change, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.800 you will not have this money, you will not be 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.040 able to take advantage of this opportunity that you must 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.559 change your trouble or you're gonna be broke. And hopefully 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.640 someone can talk to him, because I believe that it 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.760 takes a third party. Validation is real. Yeah, you know 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.360 sometimes if your parents say you may not listen, or 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.000 someone close to but it's a third party, somebody somewhere else, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.319 somebody who has an understanding of what you've gone through 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.880 and they've done it at a high level. Made that's 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:50.120 the way you get through because that the talent is there. Yeah, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.199 he's a planner, but the decision making has to be better, 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.280 a lot better. Like as a corner. He has a 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.640 great mindset because he just reminded me of somebody that 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.520 can a doll it goes out there on the field, 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.400 does his responsibilities and like he has a short term memory. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.360 So he has the makeup to be a good corner 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.680 in this league. It's just like you said of decision 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.959 making skills, have you got to get better? Like? How 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.160 do you go a month? What I'm saying, nothing like? 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.679 So so I want to ask this question and think 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.640 about it. We'll take a break with him. Are we 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.719 being too judging as we talk about this? Are we 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.959 being too judgey about Cowboys corner? Kelvin Joseph, let's talking 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.280 about that next on the player side. Right here on 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.360 the players Linds. This is Dallas Cowboys Radio dot Com. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.040 At Smoothie King, we are blending goodness to fuel your greatness. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.520 Every blend is crafted to help you achieve your health 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.719 and fitness goals. Smootie King uses only whole fruits and 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:49.239 organic veggies. 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This was just posted on April twenty, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.320 and this is I'm gonna read the first couple of 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.000 weeks draft. The Cowboys should get rid of cornerback Kelvin 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.920 Joseph before the end of the business day. You shouldn't 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.200 want a player on your team who was reportedly a 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.480 passenger and a drive by shooting that left a man 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.120 dead and refused to tell the police about it. The 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.480 Cowboys advised him to contact police, and he declined until 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.360 he was identified in the video and became a person 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.440 of interest in the case. Yes, this is and then 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.160 he broke shameful. Yes, this is the same organization that 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.840 signed the infamous defensive been Greg Hardy in twenty fifteen 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.560 after you spent fifteen games on the Commissioner's exemp list. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:14.800 But character must mean something. That's why they should cut Joseph. See. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.600 I didn't know that part. I didn't know the organization 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.560 went to him and was like, there, you need to 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.160 go to the police and talk about this, and he 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.920 was like, nah, I'm straight until until he was named 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.680 as being a part of this whole situation. What if 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.920 I'm the Dallas cop, I'm like, you don't want to 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:32.560 do you get your bads and get the heck up 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.960 out of here. We've this ain't a suggestion, you better 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.040 go talk to these police. And he said, no, come on, man, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.480 this ain't Deans. I didn't know that whole situation. I 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.360 would have been like, if I'm the Cowboys, I'm all right, man, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.200 you don't want to go talk to these police. Pack 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.320 your bads here going like this is this is so 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.520 you know how to identify him the video right? But 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.240 the chain he had on the ice Dowle you want 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.680 to be what is it called us customized change? If 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.720 it's if you know the vibes, That's what it was 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.040 an acronym for, if you know the vibes or you 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.720 know the vibes, that's what it goes. You know the vibes? 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.560 What Because there's a lot of in Danny McCrae. You agree. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.840 I missed Danny, but Danny always would saying there's a 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.960 difference between a mistake and a bad decision. Exactly, it's 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:17.520 a bad decision, it's multiple bad decision making. And yeah, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.200 So when I asked the question before the break, are 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.160 we being too judging what to be? The organization went 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.040 to you, to the organization you worked for that you're 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:28.600 trying to get a foothold in and trying to be 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.960 a starter in this organization went to you and said, look, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.320 you need to go talk to these police. And you said, no, no, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.840 I'm good. What sense does that make? No? He like what, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.760 There's so much to lose in this situation. You're battling 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.360 for a starting cornerback, possession for your life first the 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.680 football part, the first part of your life. You're involved. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.080 You were you were, You were in accessory to a murder. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.920 They got you on tape like I don't know if 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.840 you've ever seen the mean, but they got you in 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.520 four K or tape. Your change. You're the only one 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.280 with it, you know the about changed. I stout, what 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.400 are you thinking now that they got me a hard 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:06.560 I'm gonna go in there and say what I gotta 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.080 say now, Nah, man, you should have well don't make sense. Well, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.600 so so someone explained the seriousness to it. Man, this 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.359 is really what it is. When when he finally decided 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.800 to talk, it's like, okay, you know these are things. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.720 This is what I had a contact tell me. Either 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.560 he goes in there and tells the police what he 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:31.040 knows and identifies who did it, or somebody in that 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.480 group can identify and say he didn't and he did, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.480 then you could end up in some serious trouble. Um. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.320 So they were like you you better go talk and sing. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.120 And then the next day so he talks to next day, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:49.440 two people are arrested. So yeah, the decision making is shocking. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.200 And that's why Jock Taylor's right in this camp and say, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.359 hey man, you don't need this. If you can't figure 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.480 out simple things in life many then did you want 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.960 him on your football team? But I go back into 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.800 what I just said before. Man, you know when you 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.200 talk this is the Cowboys are kind of like last 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:13.720 chance you. They really are. Yeah, allows on smellman. You 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.080 go through the years, man, some cats on there, you know, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.440 I mean, you got some guys on the list. You 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.520 Randy Gregory had all his issues, Randy Gregory going eighth 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.720 over on the draft bar. Everybody passes him the last 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.800 chance you got you here, we're gonna bring him in. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.199 And look when you start thinking about how there's not 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.080 many more stops in the desert past. The cowbars may 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.600 hit the Bengals, but that's about it. You might get 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.800 away with the bat, you might packing and Jones went 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.080 after this, so so Dallas and the Bengals about this 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.800 about the lay You know, so Calvin Joe, if it 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.000 doesn't work here, it may not really work too many 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.240 other places. You might have to be up in the 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.000 USFL XFL or something. But the decision making is interesting. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.719 And that's why I said that this young man and 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.399 his agent are really gonna have to get a hold 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.320 of Jerry Joe, Stephen Jones, Will McClay, Might McCarthy then, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.800 and Dan quinn that really, yes, how do you how 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:05.720 do you fix this? But at the same time bring 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.920 back some trust because you're talking about a roster spot. Yeah, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.879 he was battling for one of the one of the pros. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.000 But just in terms of okay, if we have him 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.920 on our roster, is he suspended what's going on? Does 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.480 he you know, there's a lot of questions marks here 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.719 because d's gonna be illegal, have to do something with it. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.160 Except there's just questions. There's a lot. There's a lot 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.760 that they don't know. And if I cal I'm like, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.800 hold on, man, like I don't like the whole snitching 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.800 and all that other siff These guys that you are with, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.479 they didn't have your best interests at a hard when 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.600 they start blasting out the car when you're in the car, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.359 so i'm if I'm I'm singing like a canary. So 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.159 with these kind of question marks, and when Jack Taylor's 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.200 talking about in terms of cutting the player, is how 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.200 much of this is worth it? It is one thing 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.240 when you have proven yourself and you're worth team. Yes, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.440 so they okay, we'll take a little of this because 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.880 you know that guy can go do this six game 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.080 of tape on this guy like he's not he's not 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.240 done and he doesn't have dion talent. He doesn't have 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.480 Dick's talent. So when you talk about, hey, do we 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.120 want to roll the dice and keep continuing this relationship, 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.240 you got to start to ask yourself the questions, is 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.560 it worth it. So the Cowboys as an organization have 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.639 a decision that they've got Kelvin Joseph as a person 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.639 has a decision about how he wants to continue to 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.280 live his life and take advantage of the opportunity. And Barry, 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:32.159 I I will say this, and you get it because 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.560 you walked in the shoes. We look at these guys 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.800 as though they are grown folks with life experiences, Like 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.840 there's some thirty year old man this and this is 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.960 a young man who you've given a lot of money 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.760 to and a young man who still has some loyalties 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.640 and it still wants to continue to have some have 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.080 some of the old look you're you're asking sometimes you're 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.520 asking people to grow up who aren't really ready to 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.159 grow up. Yeah, and this is a part of it. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.800 This is a part of it. Now now I gave 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.400 you that portion of it. The other portion japed away. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.159 If you're the Cowboys, Barry, is it worth it? Is 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.280 it as an organization? Because you're like, if the guy 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:20.320 can't make a decision to benefit his own life and 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.600 benefit his own well being, is he really gonna make 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.159 those good decisions for our team? As as you know, 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.000 as a whole like, I mean, if you're making those 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.000 and they came to you to tell you to go 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.000 do this, make this right, go do something right, Go 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.119 do something right, and do this right decision, do the 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.120 right thing, and you chose not to. So that's a second. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.440 I mean, how many how many more bad decisions are 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.440 gonna have to this guy's gonna have to go through 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.879 before he gets it? And as an organization, do you 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.399 really want to sit around and wait for that to happen? 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.240 So Jacques later on writes he says, if Joseph was 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.240 a was a great player, the Cowboys could overlook his 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.040 character flaws and we'd understand why we wouldn't necessarily like it, 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.640 but we understand. But Joseph isn't a great player. He's 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.480 not even a good player. He's average, if best. The 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.679 Cowboys drafted him in twenty twenty one to be one 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.000 of their top three quarterbacks, but he never came close 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.640 to beating out Anthony Brown. He played only one hundred 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.639 and sixty four snaps in ten games last season. He 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.239 started two of the last three games, but will enter 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.600 training camp as the fourth quarterback. Talk to enough people 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.080 to start the Cowboys training camp camp complex they'll tell 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.600 you that Joseph has been immature and unreliable since he 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:34.840 joined the Cowboys, and that was before his latest incident. Still, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.920 he had done nothing to put his roster spot this 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.280 season in Jeopardy. Now he has. And and then I 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:42.879 go back to what I said, like, if this guy's 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.080 it's just it seems like there's multiple bad decisions on 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.480 bad decisions, on bad decisions. Do you really want to 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.359 sit around and wait for this guy to finally get it? 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.440 I mean you put it? You still put him above 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.280 a no shun right, who's really not done anything bad 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.720 and kind of kept it straight and forward and focused 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.400 on Paul. Does he just because he has more talent? 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.280 Does that put him above? I mean, he's it's a 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.479 decisions that's a tipables organization is going to have to make. 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.360 Look man, um, my my, I go back into this, 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.960 and you understand this very well. You're tying up a 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.040 roster spot. Man, you already drafted a lot of young 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.040 guys last year. You're trying to develop people. And because 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.240 of the way your salary cap is, every spot that 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:25.159 you have if you're fifty three is golden. And to 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.639 try and say, well, we're gonna keep this guy and 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.119 hope that the league doesn't do this, and hope the 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.440 judicials and there's a lot, a whole lot of hoping. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.800 That's a lot of hope and hope he turns himself 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.120 into the player and takes advantage. There's a whole lot 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.600 of hoping here, man, And I just I don't know 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.280 if they can do that because because I'm Zeke cap 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:49.920 what six games back in his incident, I'm not does 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.760 he do you really tie up a roster spot for 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.720 I mean, he maybe suspended even longer. That's why I 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.159 say you're gonna be other commissioner's examplest. So so you 0:23:58.200 --> 0:23:59.960 don't know where you don't know where this is going. 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.560 And now you also have to think about, okay, is 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.240 this a draft need now? Because who you're sitting here? 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.679 You go, you know you got your three, you know 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:11.000 Brown Digs and um, George Lewis got right in there. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:12.880 You know he's had some playing time here and there. 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.480 But you know, Marcus Kennedy, he got some games, but 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.040 you were counting on him to keep, you know, counting 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.639 on him to be one of your premier guys. He 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.320 was one of your top four. You know you need five, 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.040 You're gonna need a least five during the season. And 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.919 that's what's so perplexing to me. This is your this 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:32.080 is your golden opportunities. This is it Like it's been 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.840 a it's been it's been a tough off season. Man, 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.280 assn't have been a tough off season. Not a lot 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.600 of ups and downs up, you know. Yeah, so we'll 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.560 just well just we'll just take it this way. Let's 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:46.000 end it like this. They've got a decision to make. Yeah, 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:50.080 they're a huge one as an organization. On Kelvin Joseph 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.280 And I know some people want to go to this 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.000 whole Hey get you know, uh, innocent toil proven guilty, No, 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.119 not not not. When you're running a business and you're 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.199 running a business, you don't have to wait. That's the 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.160 judicial system. You don't have to wait on the judicial system. Here, 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.440 you're the Dallas Cowboys. You get to make a decision 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.359 that you want. And you've got to ask yourself right now, 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.800 is he worth it? And his innocence really not saying 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.320 nothing for a whole month. Is that they know more 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.440 about this young man and they've had their own interactions 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.880 with him than you and I have, so they've got 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.880 enough on here that they can make a decision. Um, 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.920 I would say the cowboys, being the cowboys, probably won't 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.919 do anything. I don't see anything getting done when he 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.920 says cut him by anything. I don't see that happening. 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.680 Not not the way we've seen business run around here. 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.760 But I don't know if he's on the final fifty three. 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.960 As we start to succeee, more and more details get 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.160 out there, because look, this is this can get can 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.800 still get bad. They can still can get bad because 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.639 is there like without is that like I mean, I 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.320 know the legal term for it, or the law term 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.280 for it. But if you don't go if you witness 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.320 a crime and you don't don't say especially a crime 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.840 to this magnitude, and you don't say something for that 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.879 stretch of period, that month, that that long stretch of time, 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.560 are you considered an accomplice to that? Um, you know 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.000 a good question. I'm not a lawyer. I won't pretend 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.920 to playing on the podcast. But you got issues, Yeah, 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.120 you got you got you got some issues here man, 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.919 And and like I said, your your livelihood is on 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.160 the line here. So he's not out of the woods 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.959 by any ends. You just the the positive part of this. 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.960 You weren't arrested. Yeah, that's the positive part man. Right now, 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.399 right right now, they're not charging you with the murder 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.120 right now, because I wonder what those other two guys 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.480 are about to go out there and say. Right so, 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.480 so he's put himself in a really bad, bad place 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.400 and stuff. You the Cowboys, you do have to make 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.000 that decision whether or not do you want to roll 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:50.960 the dice off. I just believe they've got too many 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.479 roster spots that they have to take care of it. Now, 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.440 you've put the organization in a decision, in a draft 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.119 mode of Okay, look, guys, now we need to how 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.840 much do we need to oritize the cornerback? Yeah, because 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.359 of what's happened here, because we are because of the unknown. Yeah. 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.480 And that this is where you talk about being an 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:13.320 unreliable player in person, because now you've put your you 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.639 put your situation the Cowboy situation too. I mean, the 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.240 Cowboys had to come out and put out a statement. 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.160 The whole statement came out and they made a statement, 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.359 this is you're not good enough for people to be 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.119 making statements like this for the wrong reason, wrong reason, 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.720 absolute wrong reason right, Let's take a break here. Draft 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.320 draft coming up? Here, man, it is, draft is coming up. 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.960 It's closer and closers. Get a couple of draft thoughts 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:37.640 in here's the Bury Church. And to rescuss the players, 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.440 not about you by Hotels deca. It's game day. You 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.320 know what that means. First, bomb prep, steak Pepper running 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.760 and steak Pepper running. Next, a counter clockwise lap around 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.000 the rule. 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Joined today all right, players not 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.160 about to buy hotels dot com. He is former Dallascoutoy 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.040 safety Mary Church or other running buddy. Former Cowboys safety 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.200 Danny mccraie is out. I'm knew he scruts. Uh didn't 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.280 play talk and the award. I just talked about it 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.280 ten days away from the draft, ten days ten days 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:23.520 so um and time fliers. We was just talking about 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:28.000 San San Francisco. Man, yeah, man, that's crazy, yeah man. Yeah. 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.200 So a lot of my drafts out there, a lot 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.920 of my draft um right, in the Star magazine ARLD, 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.640 David Hellman did a Cowboys Uh, he did the Cowboys 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.840 mock draft. He's got taking the center from Iowa. Right there. Um, 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.880 mel kiper junior of ESPN has uh the Cowboys taking 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:55.360 Michael Parson's uh former teammate from Penn State defensive end Arnold, 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.880 and I'm gonna butcher his name, uh eb ketab Ke 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:10.400 and young Arnold. Look, here's the thing. You're never gonna 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:15.320 go wrong adding pass rushers. You can never have enough passion. 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.720 This is a passing league. Yeah, without a doubt, you 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.560 can never have enough session. So if you can get 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.080 you get a guy off off his spot, you know 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:32.320 you're gonna be good footballball. You start thinking about one, 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.200 how do you win your division? I always think about 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:35.959 it that way. How do you win the division? How 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.880 do you? How do you? So you've got Carson Wentz 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.400 with Washington, Daniel Jones, got Daniel Jones with the Giants. 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.640 You got Jalen Hurts here with the Eagles. With the Eagles. 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.800 So what do we know about all three quarterbacks? All 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:54.920 three quarterbacks, we'll turn the ball over? True? Okay, yes, 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:59.560 you're you're correct, But all three quarterbacks do like to 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:05.080 use their let there, they're mobile guys. They're mobile guys. So, um, 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.080 when you think about that, that aspect of it. You 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.440 just say, okay, um, you only need to get to 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.160 the pastor. But you also got to be worried about 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.520 protecting the pocket that this guy can get out of 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.040 the pocket. So having guys who can get get to 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.560 the quarterback works very well. You also know that you're 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.880 playing a first place schedule this year, so the Cowboys 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.200 get a lot tougher see so see Tom Brady again 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.640 this year, You're gonna have to be ready for the 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.360 best quarterbacks again. Sam's coming through, So if you're going 0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.080 to have to deal with that, having another pass rusher 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:41.640 out there is smart. Let's be one hundred percent honest 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.880 about Tank Lawrence. He's not going to play seventeen because 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.320 he hasn't played seventeen in a minute, and it's been 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.440 a couple of sixteen. You have to play sixteen in 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.720 a minute, much less to now with seventeen games, it's 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.440 been a minute since he's spend right, So so if 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.480 you just do not pencil him down, right, Hey, we're 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.760 gonna have seventeen games from Tank Lawrence until you see 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.640 it done. And that same thing with Tyrant, same thing 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:03.920 with t Smith. Kay, until you see it done. Don't 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:05.920 don't do that. You can't do it. You can't do it, 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.840 so you're going to need some help. I look to 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:15.760 this draft and I simply say this, the first round pick, 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.040 it either needs to be someone on the offensive line 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.240 or someone in the front sent trenches. You know, you cats, 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.000 you know. So so if you have and I say 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.360 the front seven, because if you find another linebacker out 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.120 there with the ability of a Lancah Parsons and go 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.360 ahead do that, you can get him on the press player. 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.600 That's a pressure players. So that's where it needs to be, 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.160 you know. And then if you get someone in the interior. Look, 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.280 the Cowboys do not have a blue chip interior to climbing. 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.360 I don't think they've had one in a long time. 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.080 Maybe Crawford in his early years. But I'm not asking 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.960 for Aaron Donald because Aaron Donald is superhuman and it 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.120 is doing things at a Hall of Fame level that's 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.720 up there with some of the greatest you've ever done. 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.880 He's outlying, but you do need somebody in that middle 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.720 who can affect the football. Football, please clog it up, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.520 you know, keep blockers off your linebackers, let them use 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.560 their speeds. So that's why I'm just and I know 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.239 people fall in love with these receivers. They want to 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:17.399 talk about man the receivers. This is a deep receiver draft. Speed, right. 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.600 But to me, if you're going to try and win 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.919 the division again, you need to solidify your offensive line 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.920 which has holes. Your defensive line can get better, you can't, 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:34.239 and you need to keep applying pressure. You do, and 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.360 I'm with you in that, and I regard I'm with 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.920 you one hundred percent. I mean to me, with this draft, 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.400 they've got to they got to they've got to focus 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.319 on the trenches in this one. I mean, we've seen 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.439 whether it's defensive line interior wives or on the edge, 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.160 or there's offensive line. We definitely need to to to 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.839 basically cement that interior part of the offensive line as well, 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.040 because we saw we talked about it plenty of times 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.680 when that San Francisco gang came, that playoff game came. 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.160 Both to the football got bullied, whether it was you know, 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.360 San Fran running up the gut against our defense or 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.480 first the first the first two possessions, we're gonna touch 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.239 them in the mouth and they're gonna take the ball 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.399 down the field and score. And that was, like you said, 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.239 that was embarrassing. And when you dug, you know, they 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.400 didn't really going to matter in our division because our 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.160 division is not that great. So you might be able to, 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:19.480 you know, mop up our division easily. But when you 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.359 dug against the San Francisco's, the Rams of the world, 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.239 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, You're gonna need somebody to either 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.200 affect the quarterback, affect Tom Brady, mast Stafford and those guys, 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.600 or you're gonna need a line that can deal with 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.600 Aaron Donald and what they have over in San Francisco 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.000 because they're loaded over there, so you need something in 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.400 that regard. I'm not big on the skilled positions in 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.640 this or for us this year in the draft. You 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.399 can find them later on maybe three, four or five. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.520 You can find those guys in those type of rounds. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.400 But to me, these first two picks they gotta be 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.640 an entrenches. So I'm gonna ask the simple question that 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.640 they faced just two years ago. We have a thought 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:59.480 process about what they need. Two years ago, you and 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.880 I said Diggs is the guy. Yeah, you need Digs. 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.520 It was seventeen or eighteen where we said you need 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.520 to get Diggs, and then Cedee Lamb fell and they 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.719 took CD LAMB worked out great. They got digs in 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.960 a second. So if you are hit with another type 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.080 of situation where there's a skilled player there, that's an 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.879 like you just got you you gotta had this guy 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.879 if you've got a very highly ranked I mean they said, 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.080 you know, it was the highest ranked guy they had 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.120 on the board at that point. Yeah, do you do 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.200 you pull the truck and say, okay, yeah, we'll take 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:40.480 We'll take this receiver, this top radio receiver, take this cornerback, 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.960 or we'll take this tight end. Do they do that? 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:48.680 That's that's that's a tough one. If it's receiver. He 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.000 got to be one of like how of that city 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.000 LAMB situation went out like this guy must have had 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.960 to have been one of their top guys, don't matter 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.680 what the position. He was one of the top guys 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.080 at the board and he fell all the way down 0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.040 to us, so we had to dive on him. I 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:04.000 can see a situation like that. But I mean, if 0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:05.640 I was in charge, if I was up there, you know, 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.560 making these calls, if I was a Will McClay to 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:12.040 Jerry Jones, I'm addressing the trenches. Even if somebody like 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.040 a let's just say alive or one of these receivers 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.320 that may be high on their boards dropped all the 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.200 way down to twenty four. I still would go in 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.000 the trenches because we've seen you can have all the 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.880 explosive skill position players that you want. We had a Cooper, 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.600 a galluper a Lamb, you know, we had said Wilson. 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.160 We had all these pieces, and what it came down 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.680 to and our playoff loss was still the trenches. So 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.120 in my mind, it's ingrained that you've got to make 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.440 sure you settle the front before you work on the outside. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.680 And that's just how I go back and this is 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.959 this is a great conversation to happen because there's there's 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.040 truly you could truly make points for both sides. I 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.360 go back to the Atlanta Falcons. The Atlanta Falcons passed 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.800 on TV Lamb because they had Calvin Ridley and Julio 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.719 Jones and they needed a corner and they took a 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.239 j Trull, who, by the way, it's a good football player. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.120 Good for them that that was not a bad pick. 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.680 Atlanta Falcons today do not have Julio Jones. They do 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.600 not have Calvin Ridley. That's how fast. This league changes 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.880 fast defense one of the worst in the league. Right 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.520 three years later, they said Torles a good player. You 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.640 need a receiver. That's true, that's true, and so on 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.440 their board, I'm imagining Lamb was probably rated higher. I'm 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.919 imagining I'd have to ask Dan quinn, the head coach 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.640 at the time, but that you know where you know. 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.000 And here's the Cowboys who are in the same position 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.320 as as the Atlanta Falcons. We need a corner, but 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.200 here's a great player. They took the player, and today 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.800 they've got CD Lamb as their number one receiver and 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.160 the Falcons are looking and oh, by the way, in 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.080 the second round, they ended up getting the corner they needed. 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.320 They got down. So so this is that it's that 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:54.080 whole dynamic of man, there's where do you go? How 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.320 do you do it? Because they're in the situation to 0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.319 where they can they can pick just the best available. Man. 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.200 This is one where I have such respect for what 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.479 Will McClay has been able to do that I would 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.160 I would lean on him. But this is the situation, man, 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.440 that we bring it up for the Cowboys. But this 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.920 is across the league. Everyone's sitting around there like this said, 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.840 the Falcons were in the same position. They're like, hey, man, 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.239 well we've got Jones, We've got Ridley, Do we really 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.759 need to add a number three here? Or do we 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.040 know we need to go get this get this corner 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.239 to fix this bad pass d if we've got to 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.440 face the Saints and we you know, I mean they 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.560 had but the monsters in the league, man, and they 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.040 had to deal with man. So you know you had 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:36.480 guys you got to deal with this league, got Mike 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.160 Evans and Chris Goblin down there or Tampa Bay. So like, yeah, 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:44.080 we need to cover corner. It's such a This is 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.800 why we love football. This is why the draft is 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.759 such an interesting and can be a complicated thing of 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.840 Hey man, do I take the best player available? Do 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.279 I draft for this knee? And an ideal world, you'd 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.479 love to take the best player available who fits the knee, 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.279 But a lot of times it doesn't work that way. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.719 And with the way the salary cap and this NFL works, man, 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:10.400 the roster you have now three years down the road, man, 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.239 you may not even have to sing coach you hate 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:17.280 a lie. And that's how fast this league. You couldn't 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.160 have told me that when they took a j Terrell 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.760 and two years, two years after you drafted that Julio 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.319 Jones and Calvin Ridley not be on your football time, 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:30.000 Matt Ryan going too right, right, that's that. Yeah, that's 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.520 how it is, man. And so you're the Cowboys. That's 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.840 that thing, man, or all right, you're not to me. 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:37.399 You're not gonna go wrong. If you take a center, 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.480 that center from mine, especially this best one on the board. No, 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.640 I mean, if you take it, if you take a 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.320 pass rush, if you take you know, you take that 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.160 linebacker from Georgia, you know, you know, I mean, if 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.080 you took the guard from A and M, if you 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.640 took the interior line from Georgia. I mean, there's there's 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:53.440 there's real I mean, I look at the cap with it. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.319 You have some holes you really kind of can't go wrong. 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.759 You know, there's always this wild thought, wild theory right here, 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.560 pot us out here. They could address some needs in 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.440 free agency, man, they could have. They could have. They 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.120 could have jumped on some some they could have jumped 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.520 on some things in free agency. But that's not their 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.200 approach to how they've been doing it these past couple 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:13.640 of years. And you know, respect to them. You know, 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.520 they've been they got their business model and how they 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:17.560 want to address needs in the team, and it's been 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.800 building through the draft and signing their own players. But 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.040 to me, that whole you know, that whole business plan 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.279 is just it's been great for the Cowboys. But as 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:30.360 for winning, I'll defend them this way, man. Most of 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.359 the most of the money spent the first week free 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.680 agency is bad money to you, right, I mean yeah, 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.399 because you know people are overpaying for you know, guys 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:38.640 that have gone out there and had a you know, 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:39.960 great one year. You know, I was one of those 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.040 guys have benefited from it. But it's just people want 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.359 to run out here and say you should down your sail. Okay, 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.279 you know who did something, the Dolphins Jacksonville. But just 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.920 what the Dolphins. If you're picking the AFC East winner 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.800 right now, they're are you picking Buffalo or Miami? The Buffalo? 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.719 I'm putting them behind New England too, I'm so say so, 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.279 so who do you put a second? New England? Okay, 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:08.360 so you spend all this money and right now we 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.960 believe it's a third place team. Yeah, I mean it 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.000 could pan out, though, it could pan out to where 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:15.600 you know what, this was a hit, all right? I 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:17.480 Did it pan out when they gave it Domin con 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.120 sue that hone a million one? Didn't That one didn't 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.240 pan out. Did it pan out when they gave Byron 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:27.520 Jones the highest contract ever for a corner? Nope? Did 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.400 it pan out when they drafted too over Justin Herbert. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.800 But see Herbert ain't been in the playoffs either. That 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:38.560 wasn't his fault. That was a coach, coach, you were 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.160 about to go your head coach, decided to go mess 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.120 that up, you know, So I just I just look 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.480 at the Dolphins. They make a lot of moves, they 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.360 do a lot of stuff all the time, But what 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.520 do we see that's still in the same old spot. 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.400 Now you're on a whole new coach again. Didn't you 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.800 hear how they will try bringing Tom Brady and possibly 0:42:55.840 --> 0:43:00.239 Sean I mean, this is they're doing things, but they're 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.880 not They're not making the playoffs, they're not winning their divisions. 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.600 So while you can you can beat the Cowboys up 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.480 for what they've done, you look at you can simply 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:12.120 say this what they've done. They've drafted players, drafted players 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:14.200 who've made Pro Bowls. They have been able to make playoffs. 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.279 I don't care the division's weak. Nobody ever sends the 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.320 division's week. When the Patriots twitted, they don't say the 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.719 division Cowboys, right, So, so all you can do is 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.919 win what you can win. They're they're they're doing their part. 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.239 Miami's out here running around. Hey, we're gonna give it 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.920 all these picks up Tyreek Hill. Okay, because the goal 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.759 for the Cowboys though, like this is America's team, is 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.040 that the goal to just win divisions and getting get 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.359 in there for one, you know, one playoff game. Dude, 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.359 they won Super Bowl twenty five years. That's what I say. 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.879 Their model was great for for making money and you're 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.520 getting the fans and it's great, right right, but for 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.520 you know, the next step. They ain't seen the next 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.080 step in twenty five years. You weren't really be talking 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.880 about the next step. You just gotta it's gotta start somewhere. 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.359 We need division and make the playoffs. Okay, let's stop 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.680 talking about next steps and trying to get to Arizona. 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.840 I just win this division with his first place schedule 0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:59.960 and seeing some lout if you can say Mike McCarthy's 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.040 you know this is goes to simple steps right here. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.440 That's what if I'm Mike, you gotta go further than 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.560 than the first round. You if I'll back up, we 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.799 gotta do this, we gotta do I gotta say my job. Hey, man, 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.239 I think if they have if they can win ten 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.960 games this year, they're gonna do that. If they do that, 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.960 Mike McCarthy will be a head coach for the Cowboys 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.080 or someone else next year in this league. I don't. 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.279 I do think that Mike McCarthy if if he, if 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:25.840 he does that, will have proven himself to hey, he 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:27.680 can help a football team somewhere else if if if 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.880 they if they don't want him here, Um, he's showing 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.960 you he can coach football. Um that you can have 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.719 whatever issues you have with Mike about decision maker with 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.120 not but um in this league where they're recycling a 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.799 whole lot of folks, they've recycled people. I've seen people 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.960 get third third head coaching jobs are far less resumes 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.319 like you know. So, so I'm about the same name 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.000 some name like I'm not gonna beat up on anybody 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:56.240 to day, but being up shout out to Jason Garrett. 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.279 You've seen a man is on' was on a broadcast team? 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.000 Was it the is it USSFL or is it the XFLFL. 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.080 He's US something he's an analyst or is he like 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.160 he's NBC's he's color commentary. We're out of time. Shout 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.200 out to Jason Man needed to go so so yeah, 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.719 I gotta get a vot. I gotta go throw that 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:19.000 in by Hotels dot Com Barry Church. He scrugged right goodbye. 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.160 This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.399 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.