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Speaker 1: number forty two, the Toledo Rocket, our other running buddy,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray has got the day. Oh hey, man, look
Speaker 1: we don't need to fake it. And and let's get
Speaker 1: to the point. We'll go straight to it. Dan Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph Man, Calvin Joseph, come on, man, you guys to
Speaker 1: be more careful. You got baby, Come on. This is
Speaker 1: your lively, This is Joe. This is not you ain't
Speaker 1: in you know, highest school, middle school, you ain't on
Speaker 1: scholarship no more. This is your livelihood we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: Calvin Joseph was you know, involved in a who wasn't
Speaker 1: involved He was just in the same car. Right, the
Speaker 1: same He was a part of a group that involved
Speaker 1: in the drive by shooting. The man was killed, and
Speaker 1: a man was killed in Dallas, and it happened over
Speaker 1: a month ago. It happened last month, like March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: and it's happened a month ago. And that's he's a passenger.
Speaker 1: His agent's like, hey, he didn't shoot anybody. He didn't
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. He was just a passenger. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: still a part of it. You still there. You don't
Speaker 1: say nothing to the cops. Hey, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he told Dallas the you know, the organization or anything,
Speaker 1: but you got that. You've seen the movie Boys in
Speaker 1: the Hood, right, you've seen boy. We all seen Boys
Speaker 1: in the Hood classic ice Cube film. Towards the end
Speaker 1: of the film, ice Cube and his crew they're in
Speaker 1: a car getting ready to do a drive back shooting
Speaker 1: on a rival game Mark Cuban getting juniors in the car.
Speaker 1: They're paying, They're gonna pay it. They're gonna pay back
Speaker 1: the guys who killed Cuban. Ye, Ricky, Ricky. So Cuban good.
Speaker 1: He's in the car. He sees what's about to happen,
Speaker 1: so he goes, you know, what the guy Ice Cube's
Speaker 1: character was named Dope, Dope, let me out, Doe stop
Speaker 1: the car, Let me out, Doe stop the car, Let
Speaker 1: me out, dough let me out. And it was in
Speaker 1: and and dope boy, he understood. He's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: he got something. Yeah, it's not you. This ain't your lifestyle.
Speaker 1: It's not You're not about this life. This isn't you.
Speaker 1: Let him go. He letn't go ahead, but go you out.
Speaker 1: So now I'll say this, without understanding and knowing the facts,
Speaker 1: we can bring up a movie, but we don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is true. If he understood that somebody was gonna
Speaker 1: come out of the car, true straight blasting. So you know,
Speaker 1: you literally could have just been driving it. What what what?
Speaker 1: What the world? What are you doing? Right? That's at
Speaker 1: that time, after after it all went down, Let's just say,
Speaker 1: let's give him the benefit out. He knew nothing of
Speaker 1: what was going on and just turned to its right
Speaker 1: and saw somebody blasting. Let's just say, at that point,
Speaker 1: you gotta get the hell about it there. You gotta
Speaker 1: blay that Hello, I'm out. You got to And ultimately
Speaker 1: I think of it this way. You're running with guys
Speaker 1: who don't care enough about your livelihood and your life.
Speaker 1: They're doing something like this that can get you in Trump.
Speaker 1: You're the meal ticket, that's it. What the mother dudes
Speaker 1: got to lose. You are a second round draft choice
Speaker 1: going into one of your most important seasons. You got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to battle for a starting job and you
Speaker 1: could be that next that corner that book in quarter
Speaker 1: next to Traylon did y'all can have this whole thing
Speaker 1: going on. But now that's all in jeopardy right now.
Speaker 1: Decisions we make. Man, if you're in that type of line, like,
Speaker 1: you've got to be smarter in that situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand boys, loyalty, all that good stuff, But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is a livelihood. This
Speaker 1: is not I mean, this is it's a blessing. It's
Speaker 1: not like, you know, this is guarantee that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, play the NFL and do
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But for you to put yourself in
Speaker 1: that type of situation, man, and it's concerning. I think
Speaker 1: about Rolando McClain when he was here with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys brought him in from the Raiders is
Speaker 1: kind of a reclamation project. He started off here. Great
Speaker 1: Loano mcclains are fantastic football I don't believe in a
Speaker 1: very smart fool. Yes, he is one of the smartest
Speaker 1: I've been around him, but he simply would go home
Speaker 1: to Alabama and the trouble would would find him, or
Speaker 1: it would happen all over again. And at some points
Speaker 1: you gotta stop going home to Alabama or under at
Speaker 1: least understanding that some of the people that there are
Speaker 1: people around you who don't have your best interest in home,
Speaker 1: and you, like the Godfather in that scene, I try
Speaker 1: to get out there. Every time I try to get out,
Speaker 1: they pulled me back in. And it was some of
Speaker 1: the undoing of his career. Without a doubt, it was
Speaker 1: never based on the fact that he could not play.
Speaker 1: He was one of the most gifted athletes on the
Speaker 1: football field. Like you said, one of the smartest defensive
Speaker 1: minds that I've ever played around. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: up there with Sean Lee as far as understanding what
Speaker 1: offenses are trying to attack him and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy was phenomenal on the football field.
Speaker 1: But just as good as he was was on the
Speaker 1: football field, I mean he had his demons and he
Speaker 1: had his things off the field, and like you said,
Speaker 1: when he would go back to Alabama, these things were
Speaker 1: weird or ugly head and it ended up being the undoing.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean it cost him. It easily
Speaker 1: costs this young man eight nine years off his football
Speaker 1: career because his type of knowledge that he had an
Speaker 1: ability he could have played. It could have been in
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagoner type, just the smartest all heck, even though
Speaker 1: he might have lost the step, he would still being
Speaker 1: able to play at a high level because his i
Speaker 1: Q was off the charge, correct, I mean he was.
Speaker 1: And just to understand how how good he was. This
Speaker 1: was a guy who was a significant player for Nick Saban.
Speaker 1: Yeah at Alabama to five he was definitely a top
Speaker 1: he was a top fifteen, I know, but he was.
Speaker 1: But he was an impactful player. He was an impactful
Speaker 1: football player. But I see this with Kelvin Joseph, and
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen next within this
Speaker 1: legal system and what goes down and what they He
Speaker 1: has not been charged to Other people that he was
Speaker 1: with in the car have been charged with murder. He's
Speaker 1: not been charged. We'll see exactly what happens to him.
Speaker 1: And let's say nothing happens. Let's say he's not charged
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, the NFL can still get still right
Speaker 1: personal conduct policy, they can, they can, they can do
Speaker 1: something as well. But you come back into this position
Speaker 1: of man, here's another second round draft pick, and he
Speaker 1: had question marks coming in. Yeah. Yeah, everybody kind of
Speaker 1: questions his seriousness. We know, did he want to be
Speaker 1: a rapper, did he want to be a football player.
Speaker 1: I mean you were told as questions, you know, unless
Speaker 1: you wanted you going. Yeah. LSUS had some characters and
Speaker 1: some folks. Happens of stuff. So when LSU said, man,
Speaker 1: you're too hot for us, man um it it raised
Speaker 1: a question and it Kentucky. There was some people it said,
Speaker 1: hey look man, Kentucky. They were like, hey man, this
Speaker 1: needs to be your last game. We all need to
Speaker 1: you need to go on. So those were those things
Speaker 1: were out there about Kelvin Joseph. I'll say this, the
Speaker 1: guy played good football. Talk to someone you know here
Speaker 1: and with the organization there, like, hey man, he's playing
Speaker 1: some good football. At the end. You once he once
Speaker 1: he got healthy and he started to understanding he's playing
Speaker 1: good football at the end. So we do know that
Speaker 1: if you can play football, a lot of things can
Speaker 1: be erased. The Cowboys will will will make an exception. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's league round. If you can, if you can ball.
Speaker 1: So I asked this question right now sit here, I
Speaker 1: mean on April eighteen, if given the second opportunity to
Speaker 1: play again, it's Kelvin Joseph ready to go take advantage
Speaker 1: of the opportunity. Or are you gonna end up in
Speaker 1: a situation where we saw Rolando McClean that that's really
Speaker 1: that's you. You're at the fork in the road to
Speaker 1: where you're going. Either you go that Rolando McLean route
Speaker 1: where where the folks that you've been around and you
Speaker 1: run with man um take you take you down that path,
Speaker 1: or do you fix yourself and take advantage of this
Speaker 1: amazing opportunity that you have to play for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys in a premier spot where they will pay you. Man,
Speaker 1: you know you're not playing nose tackle where you're gonna
Speaker 1: get limited. You're you're a corner. You're gonna be on
Speaker 1: the field they will pay you. In this league. There
Speaker 1: are not many positions right now, and Beary, you play safety,
Speaker 1: it was the premium was a ceiling on what they
Speaker 1: pay safety. But cornners you probably arguably you know the
Speaker 1: third third highest. You know, quarterback, rushman, pass rush, us, receiver, corners.
Speaker 1: These these are four, Yeah, these are the four premier positions.
Speaker 1: And he's one of them, right, And the opportunities here
Speaker 1: for you and and and look, man, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Our producer Chris Beam, says Alana McClain eight
Speaker 1: and just and as a linebacker, that's very significant. You
Speaker 1: don't see linebackers go that high. But that's how talented
Speaker 1: the young man was. And that's the thing, man. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit the here to tell you that. No.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joe, I don't know him. Talk to him just
Speaker 1: briefly in the little when he's been made available here.
Speaker 1: I think I only chatted with him once last year. Um,
Speaker 1: it was good chatting me. It's good guy talked to
Speaker 1: I Just look at this. I just like, man, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: if you get an opportunity and get yourself together, because
Speaker 1: you you have an opportuny, huge opportunity to be a
Speaker 1: part of something that if this defense keeps going in
Speaker 1: the right direction, like we've seen last year. If they're
Speaker 1: able to build off of that, I mean, you got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a part of something special. And
Speaker 1: like you said, there's two ways to go here. You
Speaker 1: can learn from your lessons, you know, kind of get
Speaker 1: yourself away from those guys that you know, kind of
Speaker 1: have you in trouble or have you in situations that
Speaker 1: you don't need to be in. You can get yourself
Speaker 1: away from that focus strictly on football and being the
Speaker 1: best Cowboys player you can be. Or there's that other
Speaker 1: you know way to go that where it's you know,
Speaker 1: all right, they let me off the whole, So I
Speaker 1: mean I can get away with stuff out here, I
Speaker 1: can get I can do this and that in the
Speaker 1: third and you keep being in that street life and
Speaker 1: Pepe being in that type of atmosphere, and your career
Speaker 1: will not last for long if you if you if
Speaker 1: you go down that route, it will not last for long.
Speaker 1: We've never seen something like that happened and a guy
Speaker 1: bounced back like, oh man, this is nothing third or
Speaker 1: fourth strike. No, it's not going to happen that way,
Speaker 1: all right. You got to focus on football and being
Speaker 1: the best player you can be on the field and
Speaker 1: off man. I would I really wish there could be
Speaker 1: a conversation between Kelvin Joseph and Dion Sanders. Dion spoke
Speaker 1: once about how when you know people say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you know you change, You made this money, you change.
Speaker 1: He's like, you have to change, and if you don't change,
Speaker 1: you will not have this money, you will not be
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of this opportunity that you must
Speaker 1: change your trouble or you're gonna be broke. And hopefully
Speaker 1: someone can talk to him, because I believe that it
Speaker 1: takes a third party. Validation is real. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: sometimes if your parents say you may not listen, or
Speaker 1: someone close to but it's a third party, somebody somewhere else,
Speaker 1: somebody who has an understanding of what you've gone through
Speaker 1: and they've done it at a high level. Made that's
Speaker 1: the way you get through because that the talent is there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a planner, but the decision making has to be better,
Speaker 1: a lot better. Like as a corner. He has a
Speaker 1: great mindset because he just reminded me of somebody that
Speaker 1: can a doll it goes out there on the field,
Speaker 1: does his responsibilities and like he has a short term memory.
Speaker 1: So he has the makeup to be a good corner
Speaker 1: in this league. It's just like you said of decision
Speaker 1: making skills, have you got to get better? Like? How
Speaker 1: do you go a month? What I'm saying, nothing like?
Speaker 1: So so I want to ask this question and think
Speaker 1: about it. We'll take a break with him. Are we
Speaker 1: being too judging as we talk about this? Are we
Speaker 1: being too judgey about Cowboys corner? Kelvin Joseph, let's talking
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Speaker 1: Cowboys not at Thorn party Man. Yes, back to Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: This is from the Dallas Morning News and M colinnis
Speaker 1: John Jock Taylor. This was just posted on April twenty,
Speaker 1: and this is I'm gonna read the first couple of
Speaker 1: weeks draft. The Cowboys should get rid of cornerback Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph before the end of the business day. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: want a player on your team who was reportedly a
Speaker 1: passenger and a drive by shooting that left a man
Speaker 1: dead and refused to tell the police about it. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys advised him to contact police, and he declined until
Speaker 1: he was identified in the video and became a person
Speaker 1: of interest in the case. Yes, this is and then
Speaker 1: he broke shameful. Yes, this is the same organization that
Speaker 1: signed the infamous defensive been Greg Hardy in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: after you spent fifteen games on the Commissioner's exemp list.
Speaker 1: But character must mean something. That's why they should cut Joseph. See.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that part. I didn't know the organization
Speaker 1: went to him and was like, there, you need to
Speaker 1: go to the police and talk about this, and he
Speaker 1: was like, nah, I'm straight until until he was named
Speaker 1: as being a part of this whole situation. What if
Speaker 1: I'm the Dallas cop, I'm like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: do you get your bads and get the heck up
Speaker 1: out of here. We've this ain't a suggestion, you better
Speaker 1: go talk to these police. And he said, no, come on, man,
Speaker 1: this ain't Deans. I didn't know that whole situation. I
Speaker 1: would have been like, if I'm the Cowboys, I'm all right, man,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go talk to these police. Pack
Speaker 1: your bads here going like this is this is so
Speaker 1: you know how to identify him the video right? But
Speaker 1: the chain he had on the ice Dowle you want
Speaker 1: to be what is it called us customized change? If
Speaker 1: it's if you know the vibes, That's what it was
Speaker 1: an acronym for, if you know the vibes or you
Speaker 1: know the vibes, that's what it goes. You know the vibes?
Speaker 1: What Because there's a lot of in Danny McCrae. You agree.
Speaker 1: I missed Danny, but Danny always would saying there's a
Speaker 1: difference between a mistake and a bad decision. Exactly, it's
Speaker 1: a bad decision, it's multiple bad decision making. And yeah,
Speaker 1: So when I asked the question before the break, are
Speaker 1: we being too judging what to be? The organization went
Speaker 1: to you, to the organization you worked for that you're
Speaker 1: trying to get a foothold in and trying to be
Speaker 1: a starter in this organization went to you and said, look,
Speaker 1: you need to go talk to these police. And you said, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. What sense does that make? No? He like what,
Speaker 1: There's so much to lose in this situation. You're battling
Speaker 1: for a starting cornerback, possession for your life first the
Speaker 1: football part, the first part of your life. You're involved.
Speaker 1: You were you were, You were in accessory to a murder.
Speaker 1: They got you on tape like I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever seen the mean, but they got you in
Speaker 1: four K or tape. Your change. You're the only one
Speaker 1: with it, you know the about changed. I stout, what
Speaker 1: are you thinking now that they got me a hard
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in there and say what I gotta
Speaker 1: say now, Nah, man, you should have well don't make sense. Well,
Speaker 1: so so someone explained the seriousness to it. Man, this
Speaker 1: is really what it is. When when he finally decided
Speaker 1: to talk, it's like, okay, you know these are things.
Speaker 1: This is what I had a contact tell me. Either
Speaker 1: he goes in there and tells the police what he
Speaker 1: knows and identifies who did it, or somebody in that
Speaker 1: group can identify and say he didn't and he did,
Speaker 1: then you could end up in some serious trouble. Um.
Speaker 1: So they were like you you better go talk and sing.
Speaker 1: And then the next day so he talks to next day,
Speaker 1: two people are arrested. So yeah, the decision making is shocking.
Speaker 1: And that's why Jock Taylor's right in this camp and say,
Speaker 1: hey man, you don't need this. If you can't figure
Speaker 1: out simple things in life many then did you want
Speaker 1: him on your football team? But I go back into
Speaker 1: what I just said before. Man, you know when you
Speaker 1: talk this is the Cowboys are kind of like last
Speaker 1: chance you. They really are. Yeah, allows on smellman. You
Speaker 1: go through the years, man, some cats on there, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got some guys on the list. You
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory had all his issues, Randy Gregory going eighth
Speaker 1: over on the draft bar. Everybody passes him the last
Speaker 1: chance you got you here, we're gonna bring him in.
Speaker 1: And look when you start thinking about how there's not
Speaker 1: many more stops in the desert past. The cowbars may
Speaker 1: hit the Bengals, but that's about it. You might get
Speaker 1: away with the bat, you might packing and Jones went
Speaker 1: after this, so so Dallas and the Bengals about this
Speaker 1: about the lay You know, so Calvin Joe, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work here, it may not really work too many
Speaker 1: other places. You might have to be up in the
Speaker 1: USFL XFL or something. But the decision making is interesting.
Speaker 1: And that's why I said that this young man and
Speaker 1: his agent are really gonna have to get a hold
Speaker 1: of Jerry Joe, Stephen Jones, Will McClay, Might McCarthy then,
Speaker 1: and Dan quinn that really, yes, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you fix this? But at the same time bring
Speaker 1: back some trust because you're talking about a roster spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was battling for one of the one of the pros.
Speaker 1: But just in terms of okay, if we have him
Speaker 1: on our roster, is he suspended what's going on? Does
Speaker 1: he you know, there's a lot of questions marks here
Speaker 1: because d's gonna be illegal, have to do something with it.
Speaker 1: Except there's just questions. There's a lot. There's a lot
Speaker 1: that they don't know. And if I cal I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, man, like I don't like the whole snitching
Speaker 1: and all that other siff These guys that you are with,
Speaker 1: they didn't have your best interests at a hard when
Speaker 1: they start blasting out the car when you're in the car,
Speaker 1: so i'm if I'm I'm singing like a canary. So
Speaker 1: with these kind of question marks, and when Jack Taylor's
Speaker 1: talking about in terms of cutting the player, is how
Speaker 1: much of this is worth it? It is one thing
Speaker 1: when you have proven yourself and you're worth team. Yes,
Speaker 1: so they okay, we'll take a little of this because
Speaker 1: you know that guy can go do this six game
Speaker 1: of tape on this guy like he's not he's not
Speaker 1: done and he doesn't have dion talent. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: Dick's talent. So when you talk about, hey, do we
Speaker 1: want to roll the dice and keep continuing this relationship,
Speaker 1: you got to start to ask yourself the questions, is
Speaker 1: it worth it. So the Cowboys as an organization have
Speaker 1: a decision that they've got Kelvin Joseph as a person
Speaker 1: has a decision about how he wants to continue to
Speaker 1: live his life and take advantage of the opportunity. And Barry,
Speaker 1: I I will say this, and you get it because
Speaker 1: you walked in the shoes. We look at these guys
Speaker 1: as though they are grown folks with life experiences, Like
Speaker 1: there's some thirty year old man this and this is
Speaker 1: a young man who you've given a lot of money
Speaker 1: to and a young man who still has some loyalties
Speaker 1: and it still wants to continue to have some have
Speaker 1: some of the old look you're you're asking sometimes you're
Speaker 1: asking people to grow up who aren't really ready to
Speaker 1: grow up. Yeah, and this is a part of it.
Speaker 1: This is a part of it. Now now I gave
Speaker 1: you that portion of it. The other portion japed away.
Speaker 1: If you're the Cowboys, Barry, is it worth it? Is
Speaker 1: it as an organization? Because you're like, if the guy
Speaker 1: can't make a decision to benefit his own life and
Speaker 1: benefit his own well being, is he really gonna make
Speaker 1: those good decisions for our team? As as you know,
Speaker 1: as a whole like, I mean, if you're making those
Speaker 1: and they came to you to tell you to go
Speaker 1: do this, make this right, go do something right, Go
Speaker 1: do something right, and do this right decision, do the
Speaker 1: right thing, and you chose not to. So that's a second.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many how many more bad decisions are
Speaker 1: gonna have to this guy's gonna have to go through
Speaker 1: before he gets it? And as an organization, do you
Speaker 1: really want to sit around and wait for that to happen?
Speaker 1: So Jacques later on writes he says, if Joseph was
Speaker 1: a was a great player, the Cowboys could overlook his
Speaker 1: character flaws and we'd understand why we wouldn't necessarily like it,
Speaker 1: but we understand. But Joseph isn't a great player. He's
Speaker 1: not even a good player. He's average, if best. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted him in twenty twenty one to be one
Speaker 1: of their top three quarterbacks, but he never came close
Speaker 1: to beating out Anthony Brown. He played only one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty four snaps in ten games last season. He
Speaker 1: started two of the last three games, but will enter
Speaker 1: training camp as the fourth quarterback. Talk to enough people
Speaker 1: to start the Cowboys training camp camp complex they'll tell
Speaker 1: you that Joseph has been immature and unreliable since he
Speaker 1: joined the Cowboys, and that was before his latest incident. Still,
Speaker 1: he had done nothing to put his roster spot this
Speaker 1: season in Jeopardy. Now he has. And and then I
Speaker 1: go back to what I said, like, if this guy's
Speaker 1: it's just it seems like there's multiple bad decisions on
Speaker 1: bad decisions, on bad decisions. Do you really want to
Speaker 1: sit around and wait for this guy to finally get it?
Speaker 1: I mean you put it? You still put him above
Speaker 1: a no shun right, who's really not done anything bad
Speaker 1: and kind of kept it straight and forward and focused
Speaker 1: on Paul. Does he just because he has more talent?
Speaker 1: Does that put him above? I mean, he's it's a
Speaker 1: decisions that's a tipables organization is going to have to make.
Speaker 1: Look man, um, my my, I go back into this,
Speaker 1: and you understand this very well. You're tying up a
Speaker 1: roster spot. Man, you already drafted a lot of young
Speaker 1: guys last year. You're trying to develop people. And because
Speaker 1: of the way your salary cap is, every spot that
Speaker 1: you have if you're fifty three is golden. And to
Speaker 1: try and say, well, we're gonna keep this guy and
Speaker 1: hope that the league doesn't do this, and hope the
Speaker 1: judicials and there's a lot, a whole lot of hoping.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of hope and hope he turns himself
Speaker 1: into the player and takes advantage. There's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of hoping here, man, And I just I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can do that because because I'm Zeke cap
Speaker 1: what six games back in his incident, I'm not does
Speaker 1: he do you really tie up a roster spot for
Speaker 1: I mean, he maybe suspended even longer. That's why I
Speaker 1: say you're gonna be other commissioner's examplest. So so you
Speaker 1: don't know where you don't know where this is going.
Speaker 1: And now you also have to think about, okay, is
Speaker 1: this a draft need now? Because who you're sitting here?
Speaker 1: You go, you know you got your three, you know
Speaker 1: Brown Digs and um, George Lewis got right in there.
Speaker 1: You know he's had some playing time here and there.
Speaker 1: But you know, Marcus Kennedy, he got some games, but
Speaker 1: you were counting on him to keep, you know, counting
Speaker 1: on him to be one of your premier guys. He
Speaker 1: was one of your top four. You know you need five,
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a least five during the season. And
Speaker 1: that's what's so perplexing to me. This is your this
Speaker 1: is your golden opportunities. This is it Like it's been
Speaker 1: a it's been it's been a tough off season. Man,
Speaker 1: assn't have been a tough off season. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of ups and downs up, you know. Yeah, so we'll
Speaker 1: just well just we'll just take it this way. Let's
Speaker 1: end it like this. They've got a decision to make. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're a huge one as an organization. On Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: And I know some people want to go to this
Speaker 1: whole Hey get you know, uh, innocent toil proven guilty, No,
Speaker 1: not not not. When you're running a business and you're
Speaker 1: running a business, you don't have to wait. That's the
Speaker 1: judicial system. You don't have to wait on the judicial system. Here,
Speaker 1: you're the Dallas Cowboys. You get to make a decision
Speaker 1: that you want. And you've got to ask yourself right now,
Speaker 1: is he worth it? And his innocence really not saying
Speaker 1: nothing for a whole month. Is that they know more
Speaker 1: about this young man and they've had their own interactions
Speaker 1: with him than you and I have, so they've got
Speaker 1: enough on here that they can make a decision. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say the cowboys, being the cowboys, probably won't
Speaker 1: do anything. I don't see anything getting done when he
Speaker 1: says cut him by anything. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: Not not the way we've seen business run around here.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's on the final fifty three.
Speaker 1: As we start to succeee, more and more details get
Speaker 1: out there, because look, this is this can get can
Speaker 1: still get bad. They can still can get bad because
Speaker 1: is there like without is that like I mean, I
Speaker 1: know the legal term for it, or the law term
Speaker 1: for it. But if you don't go if you witness
Speaker 1: a crime and you don't don't say especially a crime
Speaker 1: to this magnitude, and you don't say something for that
Speaker 1: stretch of period, that month, that that long stretch of time,
Speaker 1: are you considered an accomplice to that? Um, you know
Speaker 1: a good question. I'm not a lawyer. I won't pretend
Speaker 1: to playing on the podcast. But you got issues, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got you got you got some issues here man,
Speaker 1: And and like I said, your your livelihood is on
Speaker 1: the line here. So he's not out of the woods
Speaker 1: by any ends. You just the the positive part of this.
Speaker 1: You weren't arrested. Yeah, that's the positive part man. Right now,
Speaker 1: right right now, they're not charging you with the murder
Speaker 1: right now, because I wonder what those other two guys
Speaker 1: are about to go out there and say. Right so,
Speaker 1: so he's put himself in a really bad, bad place
Speaker 1: and stuff. You the Cowboys, you do have to make
Speaker 1: that decision whether or not do you want to roll
Speaker 1: the dice off. I just believe they've got too many
Speaker 1: roster spots that they have to take care of it. Now,
Speaker 1: you've put the organization in a decision, in a draft
Speaker 1: mode of Okay, look, guys, now we need to how
Speaker 1: much do we need to oritize the cornerback? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: of what's happened here, because we are because of the unknown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that this is where you talk about being an
Speaker 1: unreliable player in person, because now you've put your you
Speaker 1: put your situation the Cowboy situation too. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had to come out and put out a statement.
Speaker 1: The whole statement came out and they made a statement,
Speaker 1: this is you're not good enough for people to be
Speaker 1: making statements like this for the wrong reason, wrong reason,
Speaker 1: absolute wrong reason right, Let's take a break here. Draft
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Speaker 1: Danny mccraie is out. I'm knew he scruts. Uh didn't
Speaker 1: play talk and the award. I just talked about it
Speaker 1: ten days away from the draft, ten days ten days
Speaker 1: so um and time fliers. We was just talking about
Speaker 1: San San Francisco. Man, yeah, man, that's crazy, yeah man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So a lot of my drafts out there, a lot
Speaker 1: of my draft um right, in the Star magazine ARLD,
Speaker 1: David Hellman did a Cowboys Uh, he did the Cowboys
Speaker 1: mock draft. He's got taking the center from Iowa. Right there. Um,
Speaker 1: mel kiper junior of ESPN has uh the Cowboys taking
Speaker 1: Michael Parson's uh former teammate from Penn State defensive end Arnold,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna butcher his name, uh eb ketab Ke
Speaker 1: and young Arnold. Look, here's the thing. You're never gonna
Speaker 1: go wrong adding pass rushers. You can never have enough passion.
Speaker 1: This is a passing league. Yeah, without a doubt, you
Speaker 1: can never have enough session. So if you can get
Speaker 1: you get a guy off off his spot, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna be good footballball. You start thinking about one,
Speaker 1: how do you win your division? I always think about
Speaker 1: it that way. How do you win the division? How
Speaker 1: do you? How do you? So you've got Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: with Washington, Daniel Jones, got Daniel Jones with the Giants.
Speaker 1: You got Jalen Hurts here with the Eagles. With the Eagles.
Speaker 1: So what do we know about all three quarterbacks? All
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, we'll turn the ball over? True? Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: you're you're correct, But all three quarterbacks do like to
Speaker 1: use their let there, they're mobile guys. They're mobile guys. So, um,
Speaker 1: when you think about that, that aspect of it. You
Speaker 1: just say, okay, um, you only need to get to
Speaker 1: the pastor. But you also got to be worried about
Speaker 1: protecting the pocket that this guy can get out of
Speaker 1: the pocket. So having guys who can get get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback works very well. You also know that you're
Speaker 1: playing a first place schedule this year, so the Cowboys
Speaker 1: get a lot tougher see so see Tom Brady again
Speaker 1: this year, You're gonna have to be ready for the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks again. Sam's coming through, So if you're going
Speaker 1: to have to deal with that, having another pass rusher
Speaker 1: out there is smart. Let's be one hundred percent honest
Speaker 1: about Tank Lawrence. He's not going to play seventeen because
Speaker 1: he hasn't played seventeen in a minute, and it's been
Speaker 1: a couple of sixteen. You have to play sixteen in
Speaker 1: a minute, much less to now with seventeen games, it's
Speaker 1: been a minute since he's spend right, So so if
Speaker 1: you just do not pencil him down, right, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have seventeen games from Tank Lawrence until you see
Speaker 1: it done. And that same thing with Tyrant, same thing
Speaker 1: with t Smith. Kay, until you see it done. Don't
Speaker 1: don't do that. You can't do it. You can't do it,
Speaker 1: so you're going to need some help. I look to
Speaker 1: this draft and I simply say this, the first round pick,
Speaker 1: it either needs to be someone on the offensive line
Speaker 1: or someone in the front sent trenches. You know, you cats,
Speaker 1: you know. So so if you have and I say
Speaker 1: the front seven, because if you find another linebacker out
Speaker 1: there with the ability of a Lancah Parsons and go
Speaker 1: ahead do that, you can get him on the press player.
Speaker 1: That's a pressure players. So that's where it needs to be,
Speaker 1: you know. And then if you get someone in the interior. Look,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do not have a blue chip interior to climbing.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've had one in a long time.
Speaker 1: Maybe Crawford in his early years. But I'm not asking
Speaker 1: for Aaron Donald because Aaron Donald is superhuman and it
Speaker 1: is doing things at a Hall of Fame level that's
Speaker 1: up there with some of the greatest you've ever done.
Speaker 1: He's outlying, but you do need somebody in that middle
Speaker 1: who can affect the football. Football, please clog it up,
Speaker 1: you know, keep blockers off your linebackers, let them use
Speaker 1: their speeds. So that's why I'm just and I know
Speaker 1: people fall in love with these receivers. They want to
Speaker 1: talk about man the receivers. This is a deep receiver draft. Speed, right.
Speaker 1: But to me, if you're going to try and win
Speaker 1: the division again, you need to solidify your offensive line
Speaker 1: which has holes. Your defensive line can get better, you can't,
Speaker 1: and you need to keep applying pressure. You do, and
Speaker 1: I'm with you in that, and I regard I'm with
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. I mean to me, with this draft,
Speaker 1: they've got to they got to they've got to focus
Speaker 1: on the trenches in this one. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: whether it's defensive line interior wives or on the edge,
Speaker 1: or there's offensive line. We definitely need to to to
Speaker 1: basically cement that interior part of the offensive line as well,
Speaker 1: because we saw we talked about it plenty of times
Speaker 1: when that San Francisco gang came, that playoff game came.
Speaker 1: Both to the football got bullied, whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: San Fran running up the gut against our defense or
Speaker 1: first the first the first two possessions, we're gonna touch
Speaker 1: them in the mouth and they're gonna take the ball
Speaker 1: down the field and score. And that was, like you said,
Speaker 1: that was embarrassing. And when you dug, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't really going to matter in our division because our
Speaker 1: division is not that great. So you might be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, mop up our division easily. But when you
Speaker 1: dug against the San Francisco's, the Rams of the world,
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, You're gonna need somebody to either
Speaker 1: affect the quarterback, affect Tom Brady, mast Stafford and those guys,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna need a line that can deal with
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and what they have over in San Francisco
Speaker 1: because they're loaded over there, so you need something in
Speaker 1: that regard. I'm not big on the skilled positions in
Speaker 1: this or for us this year in the draft. You
Speaker 1: can find them later on maybe three, four or five.
Speaker 1: You can find those guys in those type of rounds.
Speaker 1: But to me, these first two picks they gotta be
Speaker 1: an entrenches. So I'm gonna ask the simple question that
Speaker 1: they faced just two years ago. We have a thought
Speaker 1: process about what they need. Two years ago, you and
Speaker 1: I said Diggs is the guy. Yeah, you need Digs.
Speaker 1: It was seventeen or eighteen where we said you need
Speaker 1: to get Diggs, and then Cedee Lamb fell and they
Speaker 1: took CD LAMB worked out great. They got digs in
Speaker 1: a second. So if you are hit with another type
Speaker 1: of situation where there's a skilled player there, that's an
Speaker 1: like you just got you you gotta had this guy
Speaker 1: if you've got a very highly ranked I mean they said,
Speaker 1: you know, it was the highest ranked guy they had
Speaker 1: on the board at that point. Yeah, do you do
Speaker 1: you pull the truck and say, okay, yeah, we'll take
Speaker 1: We'll take this receiver, this top radio receiver, take this cornerback,
Speaker 1: or we'll take this tight end. Do they do that?
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a tough one. If it's receiver. He
Speaker 1: got to be one of like how of that city
Speaker 1: LAMB situation went out like this guy must have had
Speaker 1: to have been one of their top guys, don't matter
Speaker 1: what the position. He was one of the top guys
Speaker 1: at the board and he fell all the way down
Speaker 1: to us, so we had to dive on him. I
Speaker 1: can see a situation like that. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: I was in charge, if I was up there, you know,
Speaker 1: making these calls, if I was a Will McClay to
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, I'm addressing the trenches. Even if somebody like
Speaker 1: a let's just say alive or one of these receivers
Speaker 1: that may be high on their boards dropped all the
Speaker 1: way down to twenty four. I still would go in
Speaker 1: the trenches because we've seen you can have all the
Speaker 1: explosive skill position players that you want. We had a Cooper,
Speaker 1: a galluper a Lamb, you know, we had said Wilson.
Speaker 1: We had all these pieces, and what it came down
Speaker 1: to and our playoff loss was still the trenches. So
Speaker 1: in my mind, it's ingrained that you've got to make
Speaker 1: sure you settle the front before you work on the outside.
Speaker 1: And that's just how I go back and this is
Speaker 1: this is a great conversation to happen because there's there's
Speaker 1: truly you could truly make points for both sides. I
Speaker 1: go back to the Atlanta Falcons. The Atlanta Falcons passed
Speaker 1: on TV Lamb because they had Calvin Ridley and Julio
Speaker 1: Jones and they needed a corner and they took a
Speaker 1: j Trull, who, by the way, it's a good football player.
Speaker 1: Good for them that that was not a bad pick.
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons today do not have Julio Jones. They do
Speaker 1: not have Calvin Ridley. That's how fast. This league changes
Speaker 1: fast defense one of the worst in the league. Right
Speaker 1: three years later, they said Torles a good player. You
Speaker 1: need a receiver. That's true, that's true, and so on
Speaker 1: their board, I'm imagining Lamb was probably rated higher. I'm
Speaker 1: imagining I'd have to ask Dan quinn, the head coach
Speaker 1: at the time, but that you know where you know.
Speaker 1: And here's the Cowboys who are in the same position
Speaker 1: as as the Atlanta Falcons. We need a corner, but
Speaker 1: here's a great player. They took the player, and today
Speaker 1: they've got CD Lamb as their number one receiver and
Speaker 1: the Falcons are looking and oh, by the way, in
Speaker 1: the second round, they ended up getting the corner they needed.
Speaker 1: They got down. So so this is that it's that
Speaker 1: whole dynamic of man, there's where do you go? How
Speaker 1: do you do it? Because they're in the situation to
Speaker 1: where they can they can pick just the best available. Man.
Speaker 1: This is one where I have such respect for what
Speaker 1: Will McClay has been able to do that I would
Speaker 1: I would lean on him. But this is the situation, man,
Speaker 1: that we bring it up for the Cowboys. But this
Speaker 1: is across the league. Everyone's sitting around there like this said,
Speaker 1: the Falcons were in the same position. They're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: well we've got Jones, We've got Ridley, Do we really
Speaker 1: need to add a number three here? Or do we
Speaker 1: know we need to go get this get this corner
Speaker 1: to fix this bad pass d if we've got to
Speaker 1: face the Saints and we you know, I mean they
Speaker 1: had but the monsters in the league, man, and they
Speaker 1: had to deal with man. So you know you had
Speaker 1: guys you got to deal with this league, got Mike
Speaker 1: Evans and Chris Goblin down there or Tampa Bay. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to cover corner. It's such a This is
Speaker 1: why we love football. This is why the draft is
Speaker 1: such an interesting and can be a complicated thing of
Speaker 1: Hey man, do I take the best player available? Do
Speaker 1: I draft for this knee? And an ideal world, you'd
Speaker 1: love to take the best player available who fits the knee,
Speaker 1: But a lot of times it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: And with the way the salary cap and this NFL works, man,
Speaker 1: the roster you have now three years down the road, man,
Speaker 1: you may not even have to sing coach you hate
Speaker 1: a lie. And that's how fast this league. You couldn't
Speaker 1: have told me that when they took a j Terrell
Speaker 1: and two years, two years after you drafted that Julio
Speaker 1: Jones and Calvin Ridley not be on your football time,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan going too right, right, that's that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how it is, man. And so you're the Cowboys. That's
Speaker 1: that thing, man, or all right, you're not to me.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go wrong. If you take a center,
Speaker 1: that center from mine, especially this best one on the board. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you take it, if you take a
Speaker 1: pass rush, if you take you know, you take that
Speaker 1: linebacker from Georgia, you know, you know, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you took the guard from A and M, if you
Speaker 1: took the interior line from Georgia. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: there's real I mean, I look at the cap with it.
Speaker 1: You have some holes you really kind of can't go wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always this wild thought, wild theory right here,
Speaker 1: pot us out here. They could address some needs in
Speaker 1: free agency, man, they could have. They could have. They
Speaker 1: could have jumped on some some they could have jumped
Speaker 1: on some things in free agency. But that's not their
Speaker 1: approach to how they've been doing it these past couple
Speaker 1: of years. And you know, respect to them. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been they got their business model and how they
Speaker 1: want to address needs in the team, and it's been
Speaker 1: building through the draft and signing their own players. But
Speaker 1: to me, that whole you know, that whole business plan
Speaker 1: is just it's been great for the Cowboys. But as
Speaker 1: for winning, I'll defend them this way, man. Most of
Speaker 1: the most of the money spent the first week free
Speaker 1: agency is bad money to you, right, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know people are overpaying for you know, guys
Speaker 1: that have gone out there and had a you know,
Speaker 1: great one year. You know, I was one of those
Speaker 1: guys have benefited from it. But it's just people want
Speaker 1: to run out here and say you should down your sail. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know who did something, the Dolphins Jacksonville. But just
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins. If you're picking the AFC East winner
Speaker 1: right now, they're are you picking Buffalo or Miami? The Buffalo?
Speaker 1: I'm putting them behind New England too, I'm so say so,
Speaker 1: so who do you put a second? New England? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you spend all this money and right now we
Speaker 1: believe it's a third place team. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: could pan out, though, it could pan out to where
Speaker 1: you know what, this was a hit, all right? I
Speaker 1: Did it pan out when they gave it Domin con
Speaker 1: sue that hone a million one? Didn't That one didn't
Speaker 1: pan out. Did it pan out when they gave Byron
Speaker 1: Jones the highest contract ever for a corner? Nope? Did
Speaker 1: it pan out when they drafted too over Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: But see Herbert ain't been in the playoffs either. That
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault. That was a coach, coach, you were
Speaker 1: about to go your head coach, decided to go mess
Speaker 1: that up, you know, So I just I just look
Speaker 1: at the Dolphins. They make a lot of moves, they
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff all the time, But what
Speaker 1: do we see that's still in the same old spot.
Speaker 1: Now you're on a whole new coach again. Didn't you
Speaker 1: hear how they will try bringing Tom Brady and possibly
Speaker 1: Sean I mean, this is they're doing things, but they're
Speaker 1: not They're not making the playoffs, they're not winning their divisions.
Speaker 1: So while you can you can beat the Cowboys up
Speaker 1: for what they've done, you look at you can simply
Speaker 1: say this what they've done. They've drafted players, drafted players
Speaker 1: who've made Pro Bowls. They have been able to make playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't care the division's weak. Nobody ever sends the
Speaker 1: division's week. When the Patriots twitted, they don't say the
Speaker 1: division Cowboys, right, So, so all you can do is
Speaker 1: win what you can win. They're they're they're doing their part.
Speaker 1: Miami's out here running around. Hey, we're gonna give it
Speaker 1: all these picks up Tyreek Hill. Okay, because the goal
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys though, like this is America's team, is
Speaker 1: that the goal to just win divisions and getting get
Speaker 1: in there for one, you know, one playoff game. Dude,
Speaker 1: they won Super Bowl twenty five years. That's what I say.
Speaker 1: Their model was great for for making money and you're
Speaker 1: getting the fans and it's great, right right, but for
Speaker 1: you know, the next step. They ain't seen the next
Speaker 1: step in twenty five years. You weren't really be talking
Speaker 1: about the next step. You just gotta it's gotta start somewhere.
Speaker 1: We need division and make the playoffs. Okay, let's stop
Speaker 1: talking about next steps and trying to get to Arizona.
Speaker 1: I just win this division with his first place schedule
Speaker 1: and seeing some lout if you can say Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: you know this is goes to simple steps right here.
Speaker 1: That's what if I'm Mike, you gotta go further than
Speaker 1: than the first round. You if I'll back up, we
Speaker 1: gotta do this, we gotta do I gotta say my job. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I think if they have if they can win ten
Speaker 1: games this year, they're gonna do that. If they do that,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy will be a head coach for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: or someone else next year in this league. I don't.
Speaker 1: I do think that Mike McCarthy if if he, if
Speaker 1: he does that, will have proven himself to hey, he
Speaker 1: can help a football team somewhere else if if if
Speaker 1: they if they don't want him here, Um, he's showing
Speaker 1: you he can coach football. Um that you can have
Speaker 1: whatever issues you have with Mike about decision maker with
Speaker 1: not but um in this league where they're recycling a
Speaker 1: whole lot of folks, they've recycled people. I've seen people
Speaker 1: get third third head coaching jobs are far less resumes
Speaker 1: like you know. So, so I'm about the same name
Speaker 1: some name like I'm not gonna beat up on anybody
Speaker 1: to day, but being up shout out to Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: You've seen a man is on' was on a broadcast team?
Speaker 1: Was it the is it USSFL or is it the XFLFL.
Speaker 1: He's US something he's an analyst or is he like
Speaker 1: he's NBC's he's color commentary. We're out of time. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Jason Man needed to go so so yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta get a vot. I gotta go throw that
Speaker 1: in by Hotels dot Com Barry Church. He scrugged right goodbye.
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