1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: want you to know. We are recording this at a 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: pivotal time in modern history. We don't know what what 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: the world will look like when today's episode publishes. We're 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: we're recorded it about a week ahead. Uh. So we 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: we looked into some story worries that we thought would 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: surprise each other. Maybe things that are a little bit 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: dare I say, lighter fare for today's strange news. Uh. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: And hopefully no matter what has happened between the time 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: we record this and the time you hear it, Uh, 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: this will give you a This will give you a 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: series of chuckles, a series of mysteries, and us something 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: else to think about. Right, and not only that, possibly 21 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: some good information for in the event that an extinction 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: event takes place. Uh you know when when when the 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: issue hits the fan after you know, all of us. Yeah, sure, yeah, 24 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: do you I'm excited? Yeah. I like that. Um, that foreshadow, 25 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: and I think it works as a good segue. No, 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Uh do you wanna Do you want to kick us 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: off with this story about an unusual doomstable? I think 28 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I might as well. I think it makes sense because 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 1: I just want to preface this. This story is both 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: delightful and then ultimately it's going to end in a 31 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: place that is very, very fascinating and valuable to the 32 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: human race, especially you know you future people now who 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: have remained in the ashes of civilization that's now surrounds you. 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: One might assume it's it's it's possible, it could, it 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: could go a different way. We don't know. We're just 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: rolling the dice here. I mean we're we're just you know, 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, one can predict the future, but you can 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: make your best guests. So yeah, I'll just get right 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: to it. Uh. You know Nibisco, right, they make all 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: kinds of delightful uh confections, treats, junk food. Um, now, 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: let's not malign it with that term delightful. Cookies and 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: and things um. And one of their most popular brands, 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: um and and and Delightful Confections is Oreos, which I 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: think like Oreos sort of stole it from, like the 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: older version of it that was called Hydros if I'm 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: not mistaken. And then Oreo is just better branding. Um. 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: But you know, we know, we you know what an 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Oreo is. It's to chalk click cookies sort of U 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: stamped with these cool little kind of filigreed markings. Have 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: they really examined Oreo cookie closely? It's very baroque looking, 51 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, the outside of the cookie and lots of 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: ridges looks like, I like a weird ancient coin or something. 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: And then talking about the double cross the symbol, Are 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: you serious? Yeah, dude, Nibiscoes Uh, Nibiscoes logo has has 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: the famous double cross on it. Okay, all right, well 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: maybe that's a that's a discussion for a different day. Um. 57 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: But sandwich between those two chocolate clearly conspiratorial cookies is 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: the white stuff the cream um. As parodied by weird 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Al in his uh parody of the New Kids in 60 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: the Blocks on the right Stuff, only he called it 61 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: the white stuff and either one of those, whether it's 62 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: the parody or the original, is very easy to get 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: stuck in your head. But um, the social media team 64 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: has it's kind of become a trend, and even very 65 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: obvious brands that have been around forever, you kind of 66 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: gotta get clever and like have like you know, Twitter 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: wars with like other brands and things like that. I 68 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: think the Kentucky Fried Chicken um social media team is 69 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: notoriously snarky, and maybe Burger King. There are a few 70 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: that that that did some pretty good jabs against competition 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: or even just against you know, internet trolls. Um, but 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: the Nabisco social team is no exception. And uh, they 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: were looking around on the internet for things that people 74 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: were saying about Oreos and apparently somebody tweeted about this 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: potential uh meteor event that's people are referring to as 76 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: the election day meteor that could potentially come into contact 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: with the Earth on the third Honor around the third 78 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: of November election day, and uh, someone tweeted like, oh man, 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: there's this medior coming. Who's gonna protect the oreos? What's 80 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: gonna happen to the oreos? And so this got this 81 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: social media person thinking, and I was like, huh, well, 82 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: let me do a little research and UM she went 83 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole of this idea of extinction level 84 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: events and how do you kind of repopulate the world 85 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: or you know, recede all of the crops that are annihilated, etcetera. 86 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: And she happened upon UM a story about this incredible 87 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: doomsday vault in uh in Norway, in a in a 88 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: place in Norway, like in the frozen tundra of Norway 89 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: called Svalbard. And this this place that she found out 90 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: about was this Valbard Global Seed Vault, which UM is 91 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: a storage facility. If you look at it, it's like 92 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: literally coming out of the side of this glacial kind 93 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: of like wall, and it looks like what you would 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: imagine maybe a James Bond villains layer might look like 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: in the Arctic UM. But inside it's essentially just a 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: very um organized and high capacity seed vault. It's five 97 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: hundred feet deep and it the idea is that it 98 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: is is to contain the various seeds clones of the 99 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: seeds that could reproduce every crop known to man that 100 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: is currently relied on in the planet. And so it's 101 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: an international affair where all these other you know, countries 102 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: are participating and sending along their seeds. And the capacity 103 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: of the vault is two point five billion seeds um 104 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: and uh five copies of each seed. And it's the 105 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: coolest looking place. I couldn't recommend it highly just to 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: check out just the visual of it. It's got these 107 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: neat kind of you know, glowing like almost like meter 108 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: kind of lights like you might see in like a 109 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: server closet, but it's all peeking up above the snow um. 110 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: And so the Biscoes social teams saw this and okay, well, 111 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: if they can do that for like seeds, we should 112 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: be able to do that for like a single type 113 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: of cookie that we make. And that's just what they did. Um. 114 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: There's a there's a video about it that they you know, 115 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: it's obviously, you know, something of a genius marketing ploy 116 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: because I've seen it written up you know, all over 117 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: the place, and this video they made it really is 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: has that it's kind of rings true of like almost 119 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: like a scientific thing. Everyone's talking about it very seriously 120 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: about protecting the oreos. And so they announced they're going 121 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: to build this thing called the Global Oreo Vault and 122 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: it's just down the way from the small Bard Global 123 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Seed Vaults. And uh, it apparently was fast tracked. This 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: part kind of threw me and I need to do 125 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: a little more research. But they say they hired an 126 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: architect by the name of Marcus Thorland who his his 127 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: goal and his challenge. I guess it's designed to design 128 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and build the vault in just thirty days. UM. The 129 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Seed Vault took over two years, so one would assume 130 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: that they're not. They don't need to store as many 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: oreos as they do seas oreos or larger than seeds. UM. 132 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: So that's more details on that to follow, hopefully, But 133 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: this is neat. The oreos are stored in these like 134 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: really cool space age Milar packages. UM. They make a 135 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: point in the video of of mentioning that they can 136 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: withstand temperatures of minus eighty degrees to three degrees fahrenheit 137 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and it locks out moisture and air. UM. And each 138 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: of them come with a test tube of powdered milk, 139 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: and they have a tweet where it says the Global 140 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Oreo Vault contains oreo packs wrapped in protective milar. Talks 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: about the temperature tubes of powdered milk. Uh just adds 142 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: snow and enjoy secret Oreo recipe. By the way, that's 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: another thing that's going to be contained in. Here's the 144 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: secret Oreo recipe. Well marketing, marketing genius um a waste 145 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: of resources. I don't know what do you guys think? Yeah, 146 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: I think it gives me the opportunity is say snack apocalypse, 147 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: which is which is wonderful. I do have. I do 148 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: have a couple of interesting things. So long time listeners. 149 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: You know that we've earlier done some work on the 150 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: doomsday vault, which is I think a fantastic idea. You know, 151 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: doomsday vaults are like hoarding in a useful way, and 152 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: and we should we should do more of that. We 153 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: have these repositories as far as Oreo themselves. Yet genius 154 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: marketing move and this I believe. Noel, correct me if 155 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. This is gonna you said, this is 156 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: gonna be on the archipelago of Small Bard, right, that's correct. 157 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: It's very very close to the seed vault, like it 158 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: just says, it says down the road and Ben it 159 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: actually has the exact location of the Oreo Doomsday vault 160 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: in coordinates, and um, I think you're probably gonna do 161 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: a better job at reading these than I could. Yeah, 162 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: that's uh, seventy eight degrees eight minutes and fifty eight 163 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: point one seconds north, sixteen degrees one minute and fifty 164 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: nine point seven seconds east. So if you wish, and 165 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: you you want to go on an Oreo adventure, UM, 166 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop you. Presumably someone might stop you. 167 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's now. You can't just knock 168 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: on the door and get in. It's probably got some 169 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: sort of time lock on it, or I don't know 170 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: who has access to actually heard about the story on 171 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: the NPR quiz show Wait Wait, don't tell me over 172 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: the weekend, and one of the panelists made the cute 173 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: joke of, well, surely the Oreo Vault won't open until 174 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: you've finished all of your vegetables and the vegetables. I 175 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: do want to say, though, if you want to check 176 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: out the Seed vault, and if you want to check 177 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: out the Oreo Vault, if it's extant by the time 178 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: you hear this, Uh, like a lot of people, without 179 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: diverting us too far from the story, Like a lot 180 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: of people. I've been in uh doing some digging into 181 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: uh migration and where the best places are to live 182 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: in the coming centuries or so, and then which countries 183 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: will allow us residents to move without an investor passport 184 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: vall Bard is a huge loophole. Norway is a tough 185 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: country to move to unless you want to move to 186 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: small Bard Islands. And then you could maybe take a 187 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: stroll and visit the Oreo Vault yourself. Uh. It is 188 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: a visa free zone. It is one of the only 189 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: places in all of Europe where you do not need 190 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: a residence permit to live because it's so inhospitable between 191 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: like I mean, you can't see it on this map 192 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: back here, but it's so inhospitable between like Norway and 193 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: the North Pole that they just they kind of want bodies, 194 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: They kind of want human beings to live there. Uh. 195 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: But I don't want to pitch us on it, but 196 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: guys know that if you're excited. Did about the the 197 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Oreo Vaults, Doomsday Vaults? In general? Small Bard maybe the 198 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: place for us. It was talking with our producer code 199 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: enamed Doc Holiday about small Bard fairly recently. Uh, it 200 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: is cold. You gotta like the cold weather but the 201 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: fact that we have all learned to work remotely during 202 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: this pandemic means that we could live in small bard 203 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: and still do this show. I don't know, would you 204 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: guys move there? Oh, I don't know. If we had 205 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: a proper, you know, properly outfitted bunker, I could be down. Yeah, 206 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: maybe if I if I had to, if I had to, 207 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: I would sure. If we're really some kind of near 208 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: well yeah, movie theater great. But if we're truly at 209 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: risk of being impacted by you know, a near Earth 210 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: object or an asteroid such as UH two thousand eight 211 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: VP one, which is the reason the marketing campaign was spawned, 212 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: right then I would be I would be, I'd be 213 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: into it. But uh, just to jump quickly onto that 214 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: that asteroid that is supposedly headed our way today actually 215 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: November two is what I'm reading the day that we 216 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: are recording this episode. Um, it is it is coming 217 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: very close to impacting Earth. But there's very is there's 218 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: a very small likelihood that that will actually occur. But 219 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: the big thing you need to know if you are 220 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: worried about this specific object is that it is very, 221 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: very small. It is roughly two meters in diameter, and 222 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: if it were to make contact with the Earth's atmosphere, 223 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: it would in all likelihood burn up on the way 224 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: down to actually hitting the surface, or at least to 225 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the most for the most part, it would not cause 226 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: anything any anything major to occur on the surface, So 227 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: everybody can rest easy. But yeah, I think I think 228 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: they were even saying, like, if you know, they woul 229 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: think it was like one, two, three chants that it 230 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: would even graze the atmosphere and if it did, it 231 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: would be vaporized. Yeah, it would just go poof um. 232 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: But you know, just remember that there are hundreds and 233 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: hundreds and then perhaps thousands, actually definitely thousands of near 234 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: Earth objects that we haven't even mapped yet. We don't 235 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: even know we're out there. They're flying around us extremely fast, 236 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of them are huge, could potentially cause 237 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: major damage, slash extinction. Earth's career in space is like 238 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: being the main character in a jump scare horror film 239 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to near Earth objects, because we don't 240 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: see them until they're like right there, and then we 241 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, we have to jump and then we're like, oh, 242 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: that was a close win, all right, Everybody continue on, 243 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: uh and We'll just keep playing this terrible brutal cosmic lottery, 244 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: which is what it is. Did we talk about the 245 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: size of the asteroid roughly two metersnograss Tyson referred to 246 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: it as refrigerator sized, which I appreciate gives you kind 247 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: of a visual there. Um, what would be the worst 248 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: case scenario for a for a space rock like that. 249 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: Let's say, like you know, perfect the stars aligned, pun 250 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: completely intended, um and and it you know, crashed through 251 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: or what what would happen like it was that size? 252 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: It would obviously cause a ruckust wherever it hit, but 253 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: it wouldn't like be a extinction event or anything like that. 254 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: And a significant amount of a mass on any near 255 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Earth object that is entering the atmosphere will burn up 256 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: like as it's hitting or at least uh, you can 257 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: never say a proportion of the mass of the object, 258 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: but a an amount of mass will be stripped from 259 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: whatever object enters the atmosphere at speed like that. Um. 260 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: And since it is only refrigerator size, know, that's why 261 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: the thinking is most of it would just poof into 262 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: really uh it's chemical makeup. But if you get anything 263 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: over a forty meters in diameter. That's that's what's considered 264 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: basically a planet killer or an extinction level object. Again, 265 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: if it's perfect, like if we walk through the statistics, 266 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: probably the most dangerous thing. First off, I have to 267 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: say this non Americans in the crowd, it is hilarious. 268 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I've said this before, but it's just hilarious the lengths 269 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: we will go to in this country to avoid using 270 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: the metric system. We can't say it's like it's a 271 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's a refrigerator, or it's like it's like 272 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: a deep freezer that also has a toaster on top. 273 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Don't bother thinking in meters. But anyway, Yeah, the so 274 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: one of the worst things that could happen, and one 275 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: of the most unlikely things that would happen, is for 276 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: this to somehow perfectly hit a man made, functioning satellite 277 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: and knocking that satellite. The odds against that are tremendous 278 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: just because of the space and the speed involved. But 279 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: if that happened, it could knock out communications network, it 280 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: could knock out whatever creepy stuff governments are doing a 281 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: violation of the u N treaties out there in space. Uh, 282 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: if it makes it to Earth and like you said, Matt, 283 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: a lot of it will burn out, So it wouldn't. 284 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: It wouldn't necessarily make it as a single object. It 285 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: would make it as uh increasingly particulate. Uh not air 286 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: ressoult but you know what I mean. It would crumble 287 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: up maybe buckshot. Yeah, that's a good analogy. It would. 288 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: The odds are overwhelmingly likely if it's just coming from 289 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: any point in space around the planet, odds are overwhelmingly 290 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: likely that it would hit the water, which covers of 291 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: the planet's surface. So it wouldn't. The odds are good 292 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't hit like a mass metropolis. But then 293 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: once you get past mass point, once you get past 294 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: that a hundred and forty meters size, then the conversation 295 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: becomes much different because something of that size if it 296 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: hit the atmosphere, if it went, if it graduated the 297 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: atmosphere and uh managed to hit the planet, Uh, it 298 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: would cause it could potentially cause disastrous effects regardless of 299 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: where it landed in terms of like natural disaster, in 300 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: terms of flooding, snobby, loss of life. Uh. But I'm 301 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of us listening today saying damn, 302 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: this would be the year for it would get those 303 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: oreos and storage. Yeah. Well, and and think about what 304 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: it would mean two humans just several hundred years ago, 305 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: Like what a harbinger this would be to have an 306 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: asteroid coming over as power is changing, change. This was 307 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: really interesting. Yeah. And the other Grass Tyson put it 308 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: real succinctly, as you know you you kind of have 309 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: to do in a tweet, he said, it's not big 310 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: enough to cause harm, so if the world ends in 311 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: it won't be the fault of the universe. Yeah. I 312 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: mean when it comes to world ending decisions right now, 313 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: human beings are the honors students and happen for quite 314 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: a while. Well, I think that's a good place to 315 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: leave that one. With the word of Dr de Grasse 316 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Tyson and uh and Dr Ben bolan Um, both both 317 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: the giants in their fields. Um, I think we should 318 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then come back with some more, 319 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: hopefully not super depressing news. Hello, welcome back. Now we 320 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: are turning our attention to Portland, Oregon. This is a 321 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: cool place, Portland, Oregon, only if you heard anything about it, 322 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: uh from from a culture perspective within the unit it states. 323 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: Portland has has been one of those places that kind 324 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: of is a trend center in a lot of ways. UM. 325 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: Cities like it in New York and Los Angeles are 326 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: are places where I I guess just trends are spawned 327 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times. Recently, in the past year or so, Portland, 328 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: Oregon has been a bit of a flash point for 329 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: some of the change that is attempting to come into 330 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: the world socially here within the United States. Across this country, 331 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: there have been um, there have been outpourings of of 332 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: support for for the movement uh, you know, Black Lives 333 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Matter and the movement to really shine a light on 334 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: police brutality and killings, and and in a lot of 335 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: places in the country, support remains for these movements, but 336 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: the active testing has faded a bit to the background 337 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: where um, and that's that's not to say in every city, 338 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: in places like Atlanta and and cities across this country, 339 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: there are still active protests going on. But in Portland 340 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: it has really never stopped. It seems the the further 341 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: remains UH in the fight for change there and very recently, 342 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: even up until I believe it was mid October, when 343 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: there was some some heavy movement going on with the 344 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: protests and with actions taken by law enforcement against some 345 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: of these protests, and what we're going to talk about 346 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: today is a specific reaction to I guess too some 347 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: of this, Um, I don't know. I don't know if 348 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: you could characterize it as unrest, but I guess just um, 349 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's weird. It's almost it's almost like 350 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: negative vibes. So all of that is to set up 351 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: our traveling to Portland, Oregon right now to read a 352 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: story from The Oregonian that we've been going to a 353 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: lot lately, or Oregon Live. And this was posted on Halloween, 354 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: October thirty one. Here's the headline, Portland San Francisco archbishops 355 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: perform exorcisms following protests checks out. Uh huh, you may 356 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: think so so exorcisms on individuals perhaps, No, no, no, 357 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: no no. Um, this is an exorcism that was performed 358 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: essentially on the city or the people as a whole 359 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: of the city of Portland, Oregon, following these protests that 360 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: that occurred in I guess that have been occurring for 361 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: many months now in Portland. So let me just jump 362 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: down to the meat of this article and tell you 363 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: what it says. In Portland, Oregon, Archbishop Alexander Sample led 364 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: a procession of more than two hundred people to a 365 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: city park on October sevent offered a prayer, then conducted 366 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: a Latin exorcism right intended to purge the community of evil. 367 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: The event followed more than four months of racial justice 368 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: protests in Portland, mostly peaceful but sometimes fueling violence and riots. Again, 369 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: those are the words of the Oregonian Um. So this 370 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: is a really interesting concept to me, and it's not 371 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: something that I have encountered before. We've covered exorcisms on 372 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: this show many a time, but never the concept of 373 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: exercising evil within a community in general, or as a whole, 374 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: rather than an individual who is supposedly affected by an 375 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: evil spirit that need to be exercised. I guess I 376 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: think about like maybe a cleansing ritual, or like taking 377 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: sage or you know, smudging a space, perhaps, but certainly 378 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: not like an entire city. That's wild. It's certainly new 379 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: for me. We're gonna get into it a little bit further, 380 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: but let's let's just let's remember that happening in Portland, 381 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: Oregon on October sevent We also need to know that 382 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: on October seventeenth, in San Francisco, California, a different Archbishop, 383 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: Salvatore uh quarter Leoni. He performed an exorcism outside of 384 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: a Catholic church in San Rafael where protesters had earlier 385 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: topple the statue of Father Junipero Sarah. So again, this 386 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: is this and this one is interesting to compare to 387 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: the other right because uh, in San Francisco, the right 388 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: is specifically to exercise the evil out of the people 389 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: who would who would cause a blasphemous act such as 390 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: toppling the statue of someone important to the church within 391 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: that area, and the other one in Portland, Oregon, is 392 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: to exercise the evil whatever it is that's causing that 393 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: amount of distress between individuals, between fellow man. I'm assuming, um, 394 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: And you can read more about it in a couple 395 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: of places. There's one called Catholic Sentinel where you can 396 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: you can actually watch the procession that occurred in Portland, Oregon. 397 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: You can hear brief interviews from people who were there. Um, 398 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating, fascinating thing. I just wanted 399 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: to get your guys opinions on it. I guess what 400 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: what do you think about this kind of practice and 401 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: what do you think the what do you think the 402 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: goal is here with this? Sure? Uh? Well, at the 403 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: risk of sounding cynical, Uh, there are a couple of things. 404 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: We would like to think that the goal is to 405 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: bring some sort of spiritual balance. I would say we 406 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: have talked about Okay, So exorcism itself, in the Catholic 407 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: sense is very and name and it has very specific rituals. Uh. 408 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: But we have to remember multitudes of other faiths practice 409 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: something very much like this. You may have, in a way, UH, 410 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: practice something like exorcism when you move into a new 411 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: house and you burn sage which they call smudging, right, 412 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: that is you, if you believe in this process, purifying 413 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: that space. So it's not too dissimilar. But it is 414 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: incredibly unusual for the Catholic Church to officially co sign 415 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. The cynical part would say that 416 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: all religion is about social control. So this could be 417 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: a reassuring thing to some some members of the faithful 418 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: in those respective cities in Portland and San Francisco. Uh. I, 419 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: I believe it's either the Oregonian or another Maybe the 420 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: AP report mentions UH an incident that's similar to this 421 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: in Mexico. Right, Yeah, but that one was different. That 422 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: was well, I guess it's similar, but it's larger scale 423 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: that that one was carried out. And I don't know, 424 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't have the specifics on who carried out that 425 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: particular exorcism in Mexico, but allegedly it was to expel 426 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: demons nationwide and they were responding to levels of violence 427 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: within the country and specifically against crimes of of drug 428 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: cartels as well as the practice itself of abortion. Um, yikes, Uh, 429 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: that's interesting stuff. But yeah, I know, I totally hear 430 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: you with you know, exorcisms are are far, far and 431 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: wide used. It's a it's a process that is used 432 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: in many religions, many faiths. Um. I guess it's just 433 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: the concept of expelling the evil in a massive area. 434 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: It's almost like a area I'm thinking of I think 435 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: in terms of yeah, like MMOs or RPGs, Like it's 436 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: you're you're casting a wide, a wide exorcism, and you know, 437 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: it's a much higher level than an individual targeted actors 438 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: that require more like powerful relics or like certain skill set. 439 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm not mocking here, I'm really wondering, like what what 440 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: had is. Well, it's interesting because of the same they're 441 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: very similar rights that are read. And the who was 442 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: who was the gentleman Archbishop Alexander Sample. Uh he actually 443 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: conducted it specifically in Latin. So we conducted a traditional 444 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: exorcism right in Latin, in the language. And he remarked, uh, 445 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: this is quarter Leoni who who uh did the exorcism 446 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. He said, Latin tends to be more 447 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: effective against the devil because he doesn't like the language 448 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: of the church. Um. Fascinating stuff. And again that's personal belief. 449 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: That's personal belief, and it's shared by you know, countless 450 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: people on this planet right now. Um, it's not our 451 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: place to say that is right or wrong. It's just 452 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: a fascinating concept that in this would still be done 453 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: and this practice would still be done. Um. And then 454 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: well was the othering. It reminded me of exercising a 455 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: house rather than exercising a person, right, And like you 456 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: were talking about cleansing rituals, smudging, using stage or something, 457 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: but using it using the exorcism right to do that 458 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: rather than other methods. Isn't that sort of what happened 459 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: in this is a major right, right, yes, exactly, this 460 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: house is clear there. So this is a major exorcism, Uh, 461 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: not a minor exorcism. I think a lot of kind 462 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: of non Catholics get a little confused there. A minor 463 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: exorcism is it can be thought of like a purification 464 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: ritual that you would encounter as a safeguard, maybe like 465 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: during a baptism. I believe it's it's often about baptismal right, 466 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: is often refer to as a minor exorcism. But this 467 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: would be the major form the idea of the expulsion 468 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: of demons. And to the question about high level exorcisms, 469 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: the major exorcisms do have to have the green light 470 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: from the from the Church, from the Vatican. You have 471 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: to and you have to be a bishop, I think, 472 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: or you have to have a bishop explicitly grant you 473 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: as a priest's permission to conduct a major exorcism. But 474 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: hold on, you might be saying, how does this apply 475 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: it to cities that are not a percent Catholic? You 476 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean? There are multitudes of faiths in 477 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: these large areas. The one thing I could find is 478 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: that the way I understand it, priests are in some 479 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: extenuating circumstances allowed to conduct exorcisms on people who are 480 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: Christian but not themselves Catholic. Is that correct? I think 481 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: it's on a case by case basis when it comes 482 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: to that. At least my understanding is that you have 483 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: again you're talking about getting permission from a bishop, and 484 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: generally it is on a someone of the Catholic faith. 485 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: But if it is not someone of the Catholic faith, 486 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: it's almost like an arrangement has to be made and 487 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: the person probably needs to believe in some denomination of Christianity. Okay, 488 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad Molain based there, because yet, like it was 489 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: in the extenuating circumstances seem to make it a case 490 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: by case thing. And even if those folks in question 491 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: or not themselves Catholic, uh, the Church's position is still uh, 492 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: still remains the same that someone can only get an 493 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: exorcism or apply for an exorcism after they've been examined 494 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: by medical professionals possibly psychiatrists, things of that nature. So 495 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: you can't just say this house is unclean someone exercised me. 496 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: You have to prove it. And let's just I mean, 497 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe this is stating the obvious, but I mean the 498 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: Vatican holds like conferences to train priests in the right 499 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: of exorcism. This is like inextricably part of the Catholic faith. 500 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: This isn't some rogue thing. It is absolutely a part 501 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: of the tenants of Catholicism, at least at that high level. Well, 502 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: there there's some weird stuff going on there. And I 503 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I'll 504 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: let me just tell you a little bit about a 505 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: place called Pope Leo the thirteen Institute. This is a 506 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: this is a not for profit five oh one see 507 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: charitable organization. Um. It is a really strange thing that 508 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: that's located in Libertyville, Illinois, and you can go there 509 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: and if you are I believe, there are clergy only 510 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: classes that they offer, and then there are lay person 511 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: classes and other classes that they offer. But it is 512 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: specifically an exorcism curriculum that is taught here at this school. 513 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: And it's generally done in four four different essentially semesters 514 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: or classes ten day periods where you go and you 515 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: learn about certain things. And I was going to read 516 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: off some of this curriculum really quickly. Oh and by 517 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: the way, they are registration is closed for a year, 518 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 1: so sorry if you're wanting to sign up. But there 519 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: are four modules apologies for that. There are four modules here. Um, 520 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, demonology, angelology, UM, foundations of exorcism within canon law, 521 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: discernment of spirits, fascinating stuff, um, psychological or demonic diagnosis, 522 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: psychology of demons versus human psychology, demonic counterfeits, a statu 523 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: Oh what is this? Um? The Blessed Virgin Mary and 524 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: the exorcist, Satan and the spiritual life. According to St. 525 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: John of the Cross, there's all kinds of really fact, 526 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like I want to I want to learn 527 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff that sounds exciting to me. Um, But 528 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: surely there's a prerequisite for even getting in right other 529 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: than you have to be a priest. Yeah yeah, which 530 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: just just so everybody knows, and there is not a 531 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: being on the priesthood it being a priest has some 532 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: other lifestyle qualifications that are challenging to a lot of people. 533 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Everybody knows what I'm talking about. Wearing that white little 534 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: collar thing that seems like it would be constrictive. Yeah, 535 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: I think it has something else to do with your 536 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: pants area. Okay, cohere Yeah, um, so no, I'm not 537 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: really no no joke here. So there is no such 538 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: thing as a sexually active priest. It is. It is 539 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: just part and parcel with I mean there is one, 540 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: of course, but like if you get found out different show, 541 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: it's it's bad news. Well there were I mean they're 542 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: also plenty with illegitimate children. Yeah. Well, and also there 543 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: are you know, there are some forward thinking sects within 544 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church maybe that have split off or slightly 545 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: on the fringes of the Catholic Church, that have been 546 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: making changes there. And if you are a member of 547 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: one of those, uh specific churches that has been forward 548 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: thinking about some of this stuff, we'd love to hear 549 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: from you. Um. But one thing that is maybe not 550 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: so forward thinking is that if you want to take 551 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: these classes over a two year period, which is gonna 552 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: equate to about forty days of your time, you have 553 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: to pay. You have to pay ten thousand, two hundred 554 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: dollars US. So even ten what's the extra two fo Yeah, 555 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: it looks like they want to exercise your wallet first. Geez. Yeah, yeah, 556 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: I know, I know we might be running a little 557 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: long on this one, but Matt, you know what I 558 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: have to bring we can't talk about Catholicism and exorcisms 559 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: without mentually my main man, Gabriel Amor, the former chief 560 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: exorcists of the Catholic Church, who also conducted some relatively 561 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: unorthodox exorcisms. I think Harry Potter was evolved at one point. Yeah, 562 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: for sure, the character, not not the actor, right, No, um, no, 563 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: it's true. Definitely look up that name and look listen 564 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: back to our episodes where we recovered him. This is 565 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: what I want to leave this on and this is it. 566 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: I promise we'll we'll get out of here. This is 567 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: a statement from Archbishop Sample, who performed the exorcism on 568 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Portland or in Portland, and this is this is coming 569 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: from the Catholic Sentinel at you can find it at 570 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: Catholic Sentinel dot org. Here's a quote. The Catholic Church 571 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: takes the promotion of unity and accordingly peace as belonging 572 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: to the innermost nature of the Church. For this reason, 573 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: the Church fosters solidarity among people's and calls peoples and 574 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: nations to sacrifices of advantages of power and wealth for 575 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: the sake of solidarity of the human family. Now that 576 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: is a statement that is broad enough for you know, 577 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: really anyone to understand and really to agree with. I 578 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: completely agree with that it's time to make sacrifices where 579 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: there are advantages and you know, bastions of power for everyone, 580 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: And how could you, how could you be against that? 581 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: And the the archbishop in and the church is exercising 582 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: that belief through this exorcism. And just because I don't 583 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: understand it doesn't mean it's weird. Well, there's a really 584 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: neat article that I found as while googling this to 585 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: while you guys are talking um from vice Fromen and says, 586 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: these occult exorcists say that Catholic Church makes demons worse. 587 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: If the person in need of an exorcism isn't a Christian, 588 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: then why do they have to call a Catholic priest? 589 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: And and it just talks about like the intent behind 590 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: an exorcism, how it's just about pointing towards a malevolent 591 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: force or a force of some kind, acknowledging it and 592 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: then commanding it, and that it is some you know, 593 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: this is all assuming that the stuff is real and 594 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: on any level to begin with. But it's not like 595 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Catholic priests run the gamut on being able to exercise 596 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: malevolent forces or dark forces, and then oftentimes they don't 597 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: understand or have the knowledge to even properly do it. 598 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: You know, according to some of the Satanists that are 599 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: theistic Satanists actually that are interviewed for this piece shape 600 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: like Satanist theistic Satanists. Interesting article. We cover that on 601 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,479 Speaker 1: our earlier UM earlier work on Satanism. Uh. And that's 602 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating because technically the Catholic Church does not 603 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: conduct again as you said earlier, exorcisms all non Christians 604 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: in a case by case basis, a non Catholic Christian Uh, 605 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: maybe is subject to an exorcist them. But again, like think, 606 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. The weirdest thing is, years ago we 607 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: did an episode on whether exorcisms are on the rise 608 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: inside and outside of the Catholic Church, and what we 609 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: found is that they are, and the trend continues and 610 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: it's accelerating today. It's accelerating I think in great part 611 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: due to widespread social uncertainty. People are scared. Uh. Some 612 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: of the norms are eroding at like more quickly than glaciers. UH. 613 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: But what's interesting to about this, uh, is the exorcism 614 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: in San Francisco and the exorcism in Portland. We're based 615 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: off We're probably based off the new Exorcism guide that 616 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: just got published in like uh July. There's there's a 617 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: brand new book. You have to be a bishop to 618 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: read it. So I haven't I haven't got there again. Well, 619 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: you know what they did do just in case something 620 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: went down, According to the Catholic sentinal, they brought nine burly. 621 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: That's a quote burly Knights of Columbus to uh with 622 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: two cs. No, it just means they're like their Knights 623 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: of Columbus. They protected the procession and the exorcism burly, 624 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: and that means they're like big boys. Right, well, yeah, 625 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: they protect them. Man, there knights muscular. H the connotation 626 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: of hairiness there has suit perhaps, Uh well, I'm glad 627 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: they were protected. Let's see what happens. You know. I wonder, 628 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: just to be completely objective, I wonder if there's gonna 629 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: be a period of time in the next I don't know, 630 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: two months, three months or so where we can see 631 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: any notable differences between what's happening in Portland and what's 632 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: happening in San Francisco and what happens in other cities. 633 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what the differences will be, but it 634 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: would be interesting to see a follow up from the 635 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: exorcists themselves about their work in the near to mid future. Well, 636 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: maybe we can find somebody that can exercise the entire country, 637 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: just to be safe. Surely there's some malevolent forces out 638 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: there somewhere. Yes, let's just do it. Let's exercise everything. 639 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 1: Let's put let's put some bishops in the I. S 640 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: S before it goes away and just bless the entire 641 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: planet from that vantage point. I think that would be smart. Also, also, 642 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: you know, we're just blessing the podcast here. Uh also uh, 643 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, I I think that's a brilliant idea. I 644 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily offensive to anyone, right, we just 645 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: need to start stockpiling sage. You know, I wonder could 646 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: they bless holy water? Like could you bless an entire 647 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: ocean to render it into holy water. I'm not being flipped, 648 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely asking. I just don't know how the process works. 649 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: Let's just become let's become bishops and make it Any 650 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: bishops out there, priests, junior bishops, former priests. We'd love 651 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: to we'd love to hear from you. Oh, demons can 652 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: do Demons use email, especially right to us. If you're 653 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: a demon, a voicemail would be even better. The Pope, 654 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: I imagine you are busy, so right to us. If 655 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 1: you have personal experience with exorcism, we've asked about this before, uh, 656 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: and we don't directly mean that you have to have 657 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,959 Speaker 1: been involved with one, but you are knowledge of it, uh, 658 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: the process, the history or the future of exorcism, because again, 659 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: as we've said in previous episodes, exorcisms are provably Catholic 660 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: and non Catholic, like, are provably on the rise and 661 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: have been for a number of years. And we'll be 662 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: right back with some more strange news. And we're back 663 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: in in this uh, in the uncertain times, with Nibisco 664 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: hoarding all the oreos they can, preserving them for the future, 665 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: exorcisms on the rise, entire cities hopefully being cleansed of 666 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: evil energy. We wanted to leave you a little bit 667 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: of a little bit of a palate cleanser. Uh. Not 668 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: sure what to call this segment, but I pitched it 669 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: to the guy's off air. Finding a lot of stories 670 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: of people who are somewhere between Darwin Award worthy and 671 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: somewhere between like unsung very niche heroes or vigilantes. This 672 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: story falls more on the Darwin Awards side of it. Uh. 673 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: There is a person named Lisa Landon of New Hampshire. 674 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: Lisa Landon is kind of brilliant, kind of brilliant, She's 675 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: certainly got some hotspah. She was going to court uh 676 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: for drug possession and a stalking case. To be clear, 677 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: she was the stalker. Lisa Landon was the stalker and 678 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: she was going to court in Hillsboro County. However, something 679 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: bizarre happened in November. The prosecutors of Hillsboro County started 680 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: to get suspicious. They heard back from a state forensic 681 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: examiner who had been scheduled to perform what's called a 682 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: competency evaluation on Landing. It's like are you fit to 683 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: stand trial? Basically? And the examiner called the prosecutors because 684 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: they said, hey, look, I noticed that you all totally 685 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: dropped the charges against Lisa Landon for drugs and for stalking? UH? 686 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: Should I? And they weren't being hyperbolic, they were just like, look, dude, 687 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: I got other competency evaluations. Should I move on? Or 688 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: do I need to do this since this person is 689 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: apparently not going to court the file. This was news 690 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: to the problem secutors. By the way, Assistant County Attorney 691 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: Patrice Cassian noticed that apparently their office had failed to 692 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: drop the charges against Landed, and they were hunting down. 693 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: Imagine yourself in the office that day. You're hunting down 694 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: all your colleagues and you're saying, like, hey, who let 695 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: this alleged stalker just back into the wild. That's crazy 696 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: that no one told me. Because I'm your boss, I 697 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: should we should run these things through through the proper channels. 698 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: Here's what happened. Uh, Lisa Landon impersonated a prosecutor and 699 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: dropped the criminal charges against herself, which is just chef's kiss. 700 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: I I we hear all the time about how local 701 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: government databases and interfaces may not be as secure as 702 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: they should, and this this person gives proof to it. 703 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: She basically nineties movie hacker style got into the system 704 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 1: posed as a prosecutor. And uh, she is now being 705 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: charged with one charge of false personation, six charges of 706 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: falsifying physical evidence. And I think, I think the stalk 707 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: game is back on his back on the docket. So 708 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this kind of like blodder true 709 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: crime story, do you guys, because I want your opinion. 710 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: If someone is smart enough, capable enough to do this, 711 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: should they let the charges ride? I mean I don't. 712 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, have you seen I need everybody to go 713 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: to Union Leader dot com and search searched for this, 714 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: find it and look at Lisa's mug shot if you 715 00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: if you look at her, if you look, it's wild 716 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: faces front and center there. Yet, so the U the 717 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: thing that's the thing that's interesting about it, I mean, 718 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,479 Speaker 1: being a little glib. Of course, you shouldn't get off 719 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: of a drug in stalking charge or drug instalking charges 720 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: just because, uh, you're clever and have a million dollar smirk. Uh. 721 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: What she did was exploit the courts electronic filing system. 722 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: Let's keep in mind also this is happening during the 723 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: age of COVID, right, so she's not uh, she doesn't 724 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: have to be in person as much or as often 725 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: as someone would ordinarily have to be. The question now 726 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: is whether impersonating a prosecutor itself is a crime in 727 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,959 Speaker 1: addition to you know, submitting fake papers. And that's where 728 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting, because prosecutors are not explicitly mentioned 729 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,720 Speaker 1: in the list of people you can be prosecuted for impersonating. 730 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: So is a prosecutor a law enforcement officer? I mean 731 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: the answer is probably yes. But if you get a 732 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: good like Clarence Darrow type in their legal lion in 733 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: the courtroom, maybe they could make an argument. You know, hey, 734 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe this will be grounds for a competency evaluation that 735 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,280 Speaker 1: she'll fail. Who knows, that's amazing, No, you guys, I'm 736 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and call it. This one's going 737 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: all the way to the Supreme Court for sure. I 738 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: think you run all the money with the impersonating prosecutors thing. 739 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: She she just went on their electronic filing system, submitted 740 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,439 Speaker 1: some documents, and she would have gotten away with it 741 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for those pesky other prosecutors and document 742 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: filers and checkers. You gotta appreciate the hood spot though, 743 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, just because a lot of times what you 744 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: see when people do things like this that you think 745 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: are just impossible. It's just like the opport finding the 746 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: opportunity and then taking the risk, you know what I mean, 747 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 1: and then seeing where the chips fall, uh, And you 748 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: know it can work, like I don't know. But like 749 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: I said, I've mentioned I mean then on this show. 750 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: But I've been watching the Fargo TV series a lot, 751 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of criminal masterminds in that 752 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,240 Speaker 1: show that just coast on their ability to do things 753 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,879 Speaker 1: that they think no one else is brazen enough to do. 754 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: And and that's a lot of times a superpower in 755 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: and of itself. The guy with the masks at the 756 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: A t M with the with the old man mask, 757 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, robbing all the A t M s at 758 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: the at the casino. You know what I mean, It's 759 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: just so ridiculous that totally worked for a time or 760 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: or the uh oh god, I learned a lot about 761 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: bank roppers recently. Uh what I found out that a 762 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: friend who would unfortunately passed was a career bank robber. 763 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: And listen to this show, and again I tell you 764 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: the bank robbing. First off, did the math for brain 765 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: stuff video. You don't make a lot of money, but 766 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: it encourages creativity. There was a case here in Georgia 767 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: where somebody, uh robbed, did an impersonation robbery where you 768 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: pay a bunch of people to be like extras or 769 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: background actors, and then you dressed like that you have 770 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: them all dressed the same, You dressed like them. You 771 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 1: robbed the bank and then that guy like another guy. 772 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: Uh wait, a guy did that and then literally ran 773 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: to the nearby river where he had an inflatable raft 774 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: weighty and made his getaway. And he's like he hasn't 775 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 1: been caught. Uh, I don't know. We want to We 776 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: want to hear your stories, folks. What are some of 777 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: the craziest legal shenanigans? Are most creative crimes that you've 778 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: heard about? Or if you wish to remain anonymous, the 779 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,800 Speaker 1: things you got away with per sally, we won't stitch. 780 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: But if it's a good story, we would like to 781 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: share it on air, doing as much as we can 782 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: to preserve your identity. As McGruff always said, take a 783 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: bite out of crime. Crime doesn't pay unless you are 784 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: in politics. We're banking. And he also says Scruff McGruff Chicago, Illinois, 785 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: six oh six five to scruff McGruff, don't take no 786 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: guff from christ. And that's our show today. Uh, maybe 787 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: we'll do Maybe we'll do like the we'll figure out 788 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: a good name for this segment. Florida Man's already taken 789 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: that's a little bit unfair to the state of Florida. 790 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: We did an episode on why so check that out. 791 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: But before we go, just a quick shout out to 792 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: an absolute mad lad over in Germany who has uh 793 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: created an electronic means of constantly ordering ice cream from 794 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: every single McDonald's entirely to see whether or not the 795 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: ice cream machine is broken. I don't know whether it's 796 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: the hero we need, but it's a great story. Check 797 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: it out for yourself. Uh, and let us do what 798 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: other strange news is happening in your neck of the 799 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: global woods. We try to be easy to find. You 800 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: can find us on the internet. We're all over it. Instagram, Facebook, uh, 801 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: reddits maybe uh, and then also Twitter. That's the one, 802 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: thank you, Matt, we like to recommend. Here's where it 803 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: gets crazy. That's our Facebook community page where you can 804 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,919 Speaker 1: find our favorite part of the show, your fellow listeners, Yes, 805 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: for sure. 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