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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, you are having a great week so far. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, it is a bit disappointed and depressing

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Speaker 1: to see playoff baseball and how awesome playoff baseball has

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Speaker 1: been so far. It's not so much fun to see

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Speaker 1: it without the Atlanta Braves. But that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's not things that are worth talking about.

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Speaker 1: And we finally got the news many of us had

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Speaker 1: been waiting to hear, a very significant first domino to

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Speaker 1: fall for the Braves off season in many more ways

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Speaker 1: than one, and we are here to break it all

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Speaker 1: for you all the Hammer Territory Podcast. And you know

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Speaker 1: that it is a special podcast when we have the

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Speaker 1: three man show here with you. Scott Coleman and Steven

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Speaker 1: Tolbert are here with me. Scott, good as always to

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Speaker 1: talk with you, sir. I hope you've been well. Glad

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Speaker 1: to talk some Braves baseball with you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Sean, And this was a it was a big

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Speaker 2: day for the Atlanta Braves franchise because if you think

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Speaker 2: about I mean Bobby Cox, Freddy Gonzalez, Brian Snicker, and

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Speaker 2: those are the only men to manage the Braves for

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Speaker 2: the past thirty plus years at this point, and I

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Speaker 2: truly didn't know what the decision was going to be today.

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Speaker 2: We had an inkling that all season long, our feeling

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Speaker 2: was that Brian Snicker this was his last year that

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Speaker 2: he was going to retire. But as we got deeper

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Speaker 2: was no announcement of any kind, and you start reading

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Speaker 2: the quotes from people around the team and it was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe they we are going to bring snit

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Speaker 2: not hear the news already, Brian Sticker is officially no

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Speaker 2: longer the Braves manager. He is not retiring, He is

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Speaker 2: going to transition into a front office role. But I mean, Stephen,

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Speaker 2: what was your big takeaway today? Because obviously, the million

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Speaker 2: And now we know definitively the Braves are going.

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Speaker 1: To have a new manager.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously this is news we've been waiting on

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Speaker 3: and you know, I kind of blamed Snitt a little

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Speaker 3: Like all season long. It really wasn't even that much

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Speaker 3: no one had Snit coming back next year. Everyone just

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Speaker 3: assumed he was retiring. And then then like the last

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Speaker 3: comment like, yeah, we've got unfinished business. It was so

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Speaker 3: jarringly different than what we had heard all season that

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Speaker 3: think Snit was having some cold feet, quite honestly. I

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Speaker 3: just finality we need now we know, we know he's

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Speaker 3: You know, in the last eight years they've had more

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's important to establish that. I think,

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Speaker 1: This is the time, was the time for us to

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Speaker 1: and that's none But that doesn't mean that just because

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Speaker 1: don't think it's wrong to say Brian Snicker is arguably

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Speaker 1: the second most impactful non player on this Braves organization

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Speaker 1: least the time in Atlanta, I think that that's fair

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Speaker 1: We're talking about more than half of his managerial career

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Speaker 1: And there's more than I want to say, And it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about just the sheer number of players

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Speaker 2: rare thing to be able to say. And everything about

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Speaker 2: that even in a year where the Braves were just

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad that he can now spend more time

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Speaker 2: as an in game tactician, sure, we talked about him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's so if you guys remember, so

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Speaker 3: Like how different Braves history could be. And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: So how does a.

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Speaker 3: Guy like that keep this job and excel at this

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Speaker 3: if you count his minor league managerial stints. It's because

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Speaker 3: He was very single minded in that we're just trying

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Speaker 3: to win. I'm just trying to win. And every day

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Speaker 3: he could just say I'm just trying to win. Did

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Speaker 3: I agree with all the stuff he did in efforts

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Speaker 3: That's how you manage a clubhouse for seven eight months

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Speaker 3: don't know how you feel, Scott. I'm completely okay with

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Speaker 3: I think it's the right time. But Snet was a

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Speaker 3: Hats off to you, Snit. Enjoy your retirement. I'm fine

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Speaker 2: Yeah I will too. I mean, just a great man,

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Speaker 2: morning that Snit was coming back for one more and

433
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Speaker 2: it was gonna be one final ride, I would not

434
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Speaker 2: have come on this podcast like banging my fists on

435
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: the table screaming what they're doing. Because there were legitimate

436
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: reasons to potentially bring Snit back. And now we go

437
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Speaker 2: into a new era of Braves baseball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say, and Brett, I'll make this point

439
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: for Brad because he's not here. I don't the process

440
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 3: was weird, I have I didn't understand the process. They

441
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: used the whole lame duck thing this year. I didn't

442
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: love that. I thought there was a better way to

443
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Speaker 3: handle it. I would have loved if they had been

444
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Speaker 3: able to convince him to let fans kind of appreciate

445
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: him for a month. I do think there were better

446
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 3: ways to handle it, but where we ended up I

447
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: think is fine. Obviously, who they get next is gonna

448
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: be a big question. But Brian Snicker, go enjoy retirement.

449
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 3: You got a new truck. I love the fact that

450
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: they gave him a new truck. They gave him an

451
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: all paid expenses trip to Hawaii. I made the joke

452
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Speaker 3: on Twitter's like he won the Prices Right showcase, Like

453
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: just a awesome, awesome career, great job, hats off, go

454
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 3: enjoy retirement. And obviously he's still taking the job in

455
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: the front office. Will still see him around. You mentioned

456
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: today as the exact same job that Bobby Cox had

457
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: when he moved on to the front office, So that's

458
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: pretty cool. So you'll still see him around. But as

459
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: far as manager, no more manager. Great jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it's just and of course you

461
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: know he's going more than deserving. He will be inducted

462
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Speaker 1: into the Braves Franchise Hall of Fame next year as well,

463
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: but just next year also will be the fiftieth year

464
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Speaker 1: that he's with the Braves organization. I mean since nineteen

465
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Speaker 1: seventy six. I mean Snicker started with the Braves organization

466
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Speaker 1: ten years after they moved to Atlanta. That's how long

467
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Speaker 1: he's been with the organization. If you've been with an

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Speaker 1: organization for fifty years, you've done two things. You've done

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Speaker 1: things the right way, and you've done them in a

470
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Speaker 1: highly successful manner. And I think that that's a great

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Speaker 1: way to describe by Brian Snicker. Short and sweet, thank you,

472
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Speaker 1: Brian Snicker, best of look to you, and a salute

473
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Speaker 1: to you on a great career as Braves manager. But

474
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: of course, as they say, the show goes on, and

475
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Speaker 1: we've got plenty to discuss when it comes to what

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Speaker 1: So, guys, I think it's important to kind of, you know,

506
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: set the stage on This is a rather unique setup

507
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to an organization looking for a new

508
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: leader for their roster. And what I mean by that

509
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: is this is that, yes, the Braves are not in

510
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they had a losing record, they have high

511
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: draft odds next year. A lot of those characteristics do

512
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Speaker 1: you look at, you know, when you think, Okay, this

513
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: team's kind of maybe entering a rebuild mode. That's not

514
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: the case at all. This is a team with the

515
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: roster that still feels it's in its contention window and

516
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Speaker 1: they expect to be a contender next year. So with

517
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: that in mind, there's some different dynamics about this potential search,

518
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: about finding that next guy to lead the roster that

519
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: are here for the Braves, that make this a bit unique,

520
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: that are not always there, you know when it comes

521
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: to teams rebuilding. So it's about the process, it's about

522
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: the names, but at the end of the day, it's

523
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: keeping that focus on the fact we want to win now,

524
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: and we want to win now at a big time level.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, Stephen, let's talk about that process.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about is this a short process, is this

527
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: a long drawn out process? What about the current set

528
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: up with the current coaches beyond manager? What does this

529
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: process look like in your mind before we get into

530
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: some of the names that could potentially be discussed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously, now that it's you know, we know

532
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: that there's going to be a new manager, you start

533
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: putting the calls out right. So we'll get into the names.

534
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: But the first thing I'll is gonna have to do.

535
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to figure out the contract status of

536
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: all the coaches on the staff because you know, obviously

537
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: everybody was concentrating on snit. But now that you're gonna

538
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: have a new manager, you know, if Walt Weiss, for instance,

539
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: doesn't get this job, he might want to move somewhere else.

540
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: Cranits might want to move some routs, they might not

541
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: want to work with a new manager. You do this

542
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: knowing very well that you might have to replace most

543
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: of not all, of your staff, which is why teams

544
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: do it so early. You know, there's a reason that

545
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: the day after the season Monday morning, you saw so

546
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: many of these decisions coming down. There was a reason

547
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: that Brad was like, I can't believe they haven't done anything,

548
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: and it's you know, Tuesday night. It's because there is

549
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: an urgency to this process because you're not only potentially

550
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: replacing your manager, you are potentially replacing your entire coaching

551
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: staff if other guys move on. Now, those guys have

552
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: contracts too, and we're not privy to that information, but

553
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: there's just the chance that they're gonna have to you know,

554
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to hire more than just a manager.

555
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: So in baseball you do have to you know, we uh.

556
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: One thing we talked about offline today was, you know,

557
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: in the NFL, there's the Rooney rule about how many

558
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: guys you need to interview, you know, minority candidates you

559
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: need to interview. Baseball does have something similar. It's not

560
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: exactly the same, doesn't work exactly the same. But this

561
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: can't just be like Alex picks up the phone, calls

562
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: David Ross and says, hey, I want you to be

563
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 3: my new manager, and like we're not gonna get an

564
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: announcement tomorrow on who the new manager is. This is

565
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: gonna be a process they do set up interviews. They'll

566
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: set up a bunch of interviews. I'm guessing it'll I

567
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: think it'll be an exhaustive search, and it's not just

568
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 3: gonna be an exhaustive search just for appearent's sake. I

569
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: think Alex wants to do an exhaustive search. I know

570
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: Brad Scott talked about this on their show on Sunday,

571
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: like he hasn't had to do this with the Braves yet,

572
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: he hasn't had to pick a manager. The Braves have

573
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: not gone through one of these exhaustive searches in a

574
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: long time, and so I think they're gonna. I think

575
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: they're gonna turn over a bunch of different leaves, a

576
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: bunch of different rocks. I think they're gonna interview some

577
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: maybe out of the box candidates. I know deal Be

578
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: brought up some interesting names that we'll get to. But

579
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: I do think this will be a little bit of

580
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: a process, which is why it was so important to

581
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: go ahead and start it because it could take a while,

582
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: and again you might have to add pitching coach, hitting coach.

583
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: There was already questions about Tim Hiers. Anyways, you know

584
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: bench coach. What does wat Wise do? This is the

585
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: beginning of this process. It is not the end.

586
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: And I will say the good news is this Braves job,

587
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: I have to imagine is very attractive to the eyes

588
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: of basically everybody in baseball. Yeah, I mean might honestly

589
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: be a fun segment of like what are the top

590
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: five managerial jobs when you consider all factors. But for

591
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: this Braves team, I know they had a down year

592
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: this past season, but a very talented roster. I mean you, guys,

593
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: you can turn on a playoff game right now and

594
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: you look at the lineup and you look at some

595
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: of the guys making starts and it's like, man live

596
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: if the Braves if a few things went differently, the

597
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: Braves have like more talent on their rosters than a

598
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: lot of these playoff teams do. Of course, they have

599
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: to perform like they're supposed to perform, but it is

600
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: a organization of stability. I would imagine that alex Enthopolis

601
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: is viewed as a good boss to work for. Ownership,

602
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: for better or worse, is not overly hands on. Even

603
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: though the Braves were cheap last offseason, they were still

604
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: I believe seventh in payroll this last year. So this

605
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: is not a situation where like the Baltimore Orioles job

606
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: might be up, like the cheap asses who run the

607
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Orioles or the Marlins, Like, how are you gonna draw

608
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: a good candidate to manage the Marlins with a fifty

609
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: million dollars payroll? So good roster, talented place, a lot

610
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Speaker 2: of guys in their prime and organization of stability, good leadership,

611
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: presumably money to spend this offseason. There's a lot of

612
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: things working in the braves favor and they should have

613
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: a nice group of candidates to pick from because they're

614
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Speaker 2: not going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel

615
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: begging for someone to take the job.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, and Steve Well, I was gonna say, it's

617
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 3: also an iconic franchise, like the brands are just an

618
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: iconic brand and a massive fan base. Being the manager

619
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: of the of the Atlanta Braves is a big deal

620
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: in this sport. And I know we don't always think

621
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: about the Braves in those terms because you know, the

622
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: Yankees and the Dodgers and like, these massive, massive payroll

623
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: teams get a lot of the headlines. But the Braves

624
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: are a massive brand in the sport. Atlanta is one

625
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: of the biggest markets in the country. The fan base

626
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: is national because of TBS superstition. Days like, it is

627
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: a big deal to be the manager of this organization.

628
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: And that is one what Scott is talking about, why

629
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 3: other people are going to be interest So many other

630
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 3: people are gonna be interested in the job. And two,

631
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: if you're Alex, why you have to do an exhaustive

632
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: search because you you don't you can't get this wrong.

633
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: It's it's even though manager is not the same as

634
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, head coach or coach, you know, coach in

635
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: the NBA, coach in the NFL. You don't want to

636
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: get this wrong. So this is going to be a

637
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a process. But

638
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: Scott is one hundred percent right. There will be tons

639
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: of people, tons of people interested in this job.

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Speaker 1: Last week I had the pleasure of interviewing, you know,

641
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: former Brave and Major League outfielder Kevin Plaar, And Kevin

642
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Plaar was here for literally a year, and he came

643
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: back to the same thing for nearly every question that

644
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: I asked him. There's not really any specific secret sauce

645
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: or anything like that that the Braves do differently from

646
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Speaker 1: other organizations. There's just so much goodness in the Braves organization,

647
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Speaker 1: good people no matter where you go from the front

648
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: office to Snicker to the clubhouse, all those things exist.

649
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: And yes, making advantagerial change is changing a critical component.

650
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: But that is one thing that way as we get

651
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Speaker 1: into the names that I think also needs to be

652
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Speaker 1: addressed with as much good as there is with the

653
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Brave's organization, talent, continuity, stability, what have you, it's time

654
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: for a change, you know, a strength of theirs two

655
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: years ago, continuity was a strength. There's two years ago

656
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Speaker 1: when we were successful, but it's now time to where

657
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: there's a change, and it makes sense that a new

658
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: voice probably comes in and maybe changes around how things

659
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: are done a bit, keeping the good things that are there,

660
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Speaker 1: but changing up areas where they can improve. And I

661
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: definitely think that that's something Alex is going to put

662
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: value on. What about my potential new hire, how does

663
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Speaker 1: he do things differently that could be more effective that

664
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Speaker 1: over the past couple of years have kind of run stale,

665
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Speaker 1: and so I think that that's really going to be

666
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Speaker 1: a focus of Alex's as well. And Scott, let's get

667
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Speaker 1: into it, you know, let's look at some of these names.

668
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Speaker 1: We'll go through some names, kind of mention as to

669
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Speaker 1: why they make sense, and then after that we'll kind

670
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Speaker 1: of start weeding through the names as to what really

671
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Speaker 1: makes sense for Alex to value to come to maybe

672
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: you know two or three who really stand out as

673
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Speaker 1: being the best potential candidates for the job.

674
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Speaker 2: So that was like the big question today of course,

675
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Speaker 2: was Okay, who are the candidates for this job? And

676
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: I think there are some obvious ones, and we're going

677
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: to talk about them one moment, and then I'm sure

678
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: Alex is going to interview players that not a soul

679
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: on Earth writes about, talks about, thinks about. That's just

680
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: the way it is. Alex knows people, He's been around

681
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: the game for twenty five years professionally, He's going to

682
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: have people in mind that that none of us are going.

683
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: To come up with.

684
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: But because of that, we kind of sleuthed around today

685
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: and tried to find a handful of possibilities. Let's just

686
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: go through them and then I mean, Steven, if you

687
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: want to pick a couple or even just one at

688
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: a time, but I think probably the most let's go

689
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: internal first. Walt Weiss, the current Braves bench coach, the

690
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: right hand man for Brian Snicker. Almost certainly Walt Weiss

691
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: is going.

692
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Speaker 5: To get an interview.

693
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: David Ross is a name that maybe was said the

694
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Speaker 2: most today. David Ross had a piece with Ken Rosenthal

695
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: and the athletic that Ross is looking to manage. Kind

696
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: of got a rough deal with the Cubs when they

697
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: brought in Craig Counsel. He sat through a lot of

698
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: bad baseball and then the Cubs started getting better and

699
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: they kicked David Ross out's so former player has managerial

700
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: experience in a big market in a similar type of

701
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: high profile job. Skip Schumacher's name is very hot, although

702
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: we will say Skip Schumacher is currently a heavy lean

703
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: to take the Rangers open vacancy, but I'm guessing Alex

704
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: will do his due diligence. Eric Young is of course

705
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: has ties to the Braves former first base coach and

706
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I believe and has been around the game. Mark de

707
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: Rosa is currently with MLB Network has managed Team USA

708
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: for my whole life, guys, I feel like Mark Durosa

709
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: has been said as a possible managerial candidate for the Braves.

710
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: We will see. And lastly, a name that David O'Brien

711
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: of the athletic mentioned was Ryan Flaherty, who is the

712
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: current Cubs bench coach and was a utility infielder for

713
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: the Braves a few years ago. So again David Ross,

714
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: Skip Schumacher, Eric young sor Mark de Rosa, Walt White,

715
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: and Ryan Flaherty. There are going to be more, but

716
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: I guess of that group, Steven, I mean, do any

717
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: of those names really kind of stick out in your mind?

718
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's go through the real quick. So Walt Weiss,

719
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: So obviously Walt's been the Braves bench coach. I don't

720
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: know if people know this, but like Walt Weiss has

721
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 3: been there for like nine years, like he's he came

722
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: almost immediately, and anytime you've been the bench coach for

723
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: that long. And I was talking about this earlier when

724
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: they fired Freddigan Zaliz and the bench coach, like the

725
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: bench coaches, like the automatic guy who's gonna get looked

726
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: at what Weiss has managed before, he was the Rockies manager,

727
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: he played in the Majors, obviously played for the Braves.

728
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: Like it. It checks a lot of boxes that are

729
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: just natural. Now there are a lot of people who

730
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: are gonna say if you're making a change from Brian Snitker,

731
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: maybe don't go higher his bench coach because it's just

732
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: gonna be Brian Snitker again. And that's a fair argument,

733
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: and I would probably make that argument. But wal Weiss's

734
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: name is gonna come up, and rightfully so he should.

735
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: He at the very least needs an interview. You gotta

736
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: be respectful and give it. Even if you don't want

737
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: to hire him, you got to give him an interview.

738
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Speaker 3: David Ross. Now this is if I if I had

739
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: to set betting lines, if I just had a betting

740
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: line for the search, this is the guy I'm putting

741
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: at the heavy favorite. So obviously David Ross former catcher

742
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: a lot. You know, he's kind of the like out

743
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: of Central Casting, former catcher that turns MLB manager. It's

744
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: a very sought after, kind of like archetype of you know,

745
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: catchers are often sought you know, kind of considered the

746
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: smartest guys on the field, the guys that have to

747
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: know everything. Then then I the you know, the guys

748
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: who are going to be managers one day, and David

749
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: Ross already has managerial experience, and managerial experience is a

750
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: big deal, and I don't know that the Braves. Maybe

751
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: you guys have a different opinion. I don't know that

752
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: the Braves are gonna go hire somebody for this job

753
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: who's never managed at the major league level before. They could.

754
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: They could get somebody with some potential they like, but

755
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: that's a that's a all task, and anybody that's got

756
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: managerial experience, like David Ross does. He obviously was with

757
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: the Cubs, I'm gonna put above anybody that does it.

758
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: So like Weiss and David Ross are two names. Skip Schumacher,

759
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: like Scott just said, was with the Marlins, had a

760
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: successful year. A lot of people think he got a

761
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: raw deal in Miami as well, just like Ros did

762
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Like you know, Scott said, he's already in Texas.

763
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: Texas also has an opening. I would be very surprised

764
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: if he's not the next manager of the Rangers. I

765
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: think they got him in that job to be Boche's

766
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: heir apparent because obviously bo She is older than Snit,

767
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: so he wasn't not going to be around for long.

768
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm guessing Schumacher is going to be the next guy

769
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: in Texas. Ryan Flaherty is interesting. He's never managed, but

770
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: he has been on a coaching staff, and that's the

771
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: next best thing. If you've never managed, you know, at

772
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: least you've been around a clubhouse for six months. You

773
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: see what it takes. Like, I think you should, at

774
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: that very least have been a coach on a major

775
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: league staff to be considered for this job. Even if

776
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: you're not a manager, I think you should at least

777
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: have been a coach. I'll say this, and I'll let

778
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: Scott jump back in here. One thing I haven't seen,

779
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: and if, like if Steven Tolbert was running the search

780
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: and I got to just imprint the thing that I

781
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: value the most. I've already said experience. The next thing

782
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I would do, honestly is, I'm not sure I would

783
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: hire a coach in twenty twenty five that can't speak

784
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: English and Spanish. I think I would want a bilingual head.

785
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: There's just so many Latin players in baseball. It just

786
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: it's the language barrier thing is a big deal, especially

787
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: when you've got to be around people for six or

788
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: seven months and having guys who can speak both English

789
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Speaker 3: and Spanish. Now I get guys on staffs, you know,

790
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: every staff has a guy who can speak Spanish. But

791
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: I would have a hard time if it was me running,

792
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, if I was running a search hiring a

793
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: guy who doesn't speak both English and Spanish. But there's

794
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: not a lot of those. I mean, you know that

795
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: you limit your poll even more if you do that,

796
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: So you know, I could see any one of these

797
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: guys get in. I could see somebody we haven't talked

798
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: about that we will never talk about interviewing and getting it.

799
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: It is going to be fascinating. But if I'm setting

800
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: betting lines today, David Ross is who I'm going with.

801
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would tend to agree. I'm fascinated to

802
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: hear what names we're going to hear in the next

803
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, what gets leaked, what doesn't. Of course,

804
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: the Braves run a very tight tight ship, so I

805
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: will say I agree wholeheartedly with having a bilingual manager,

806
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: or at least someone who can really connect with the

807
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: Latin players. The other thing too, which I think is

808
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: a high priority, and they don't have to be a

809
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: computer science major who can stare at a spreadsheet for

810
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: nine hours and break it all down, but someone who

811
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: is at least embracing of modern analytics, who understands bullpen leverage.

812
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: Who understands how to manage a pitching staff come October?

813
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: That's important and I'm sure of all the names, that's

814
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: going to be something that gets brought up in the

815
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: interview process. It's going to be a strength for some

816
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it needs to be the strength like

817
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: I don't think Alex and thoppless. As much as he

818
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: talks about the importance of a strong clubhouse and everybody

819
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: getting along and being with each other every single day

820
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: for one hundred and ninety days out of the year,

821
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: I don't think Alex is going to overlook the kind

822
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: of personal side of the game. But I do think

823
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: if we can have Alex with Trucierm on the show tonight,

824
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: he would say that somebody who is at least open

825
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: and embracing of analytics and how the modern baseball game

826
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: is played is something that needs to be included. Otherwise

827
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: it's going to feel like we're kind of getting left

828
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: in the dark a little bit.

829
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I.

830
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent true. Would I would also say

831
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: that the thing that made the thing that made Snicker

832
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: so good was that he could accomplish what he accomplished

833
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: in spite of that. And there is kind of this

834
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: like do you want the traditional manager that's old school,

835
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: but as the respect of the players, do you want

836
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: the new school manager? You know who? Was it capler

837
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: with the Phillyler? Yeah, you know it kind of it

838
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 3: can It can also go off the rails if you're

839
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: not careful. It's such a delicate thing. I'm glad I'm

840
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: not out. I'm glad I'm not the one has to

841
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: make this call because like merging the old school, like

842
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: traditions and like respect and the new school, it's a

843
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: tough it's a tough needle to threat. And I agree

844
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: with you though, this was that was Brian's biggest blind

845
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: spot and it would be nice to finally feel that

846
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: kind of that gaping hole that's been in the organization

847
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: the last decade.

848
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And and it's going to become even more

849
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: important now for those for that attention to detail and

850
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: that ability to be knowledgeable about, you know, the strategic

851
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: points of the job of where to add value in

852
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: the moment in games, how to be on top of

853
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: that non stop adding value that way, It's going to

854
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: become even more important as we try to piece together

855
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: this roster, a roster right now that has a bit

856
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: more uncertainty about it than it did a few years ago.

857
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: But we're gonna dive a little bit more into these names.

858
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: In just a moment after another word from our.

859
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Speaker 1: So, guys, you know, we talk about some of the

884
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: names that we've mentioned, and I think that all of

885
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: those names that we've heard, you know, mentioned, you know,

886
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: through different reports and things like to that today each

887
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: makes sense in their own right. I agree David Ross

888
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: stands out as a sensible name. I would put him

889
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: and what weiss probably in that upper tier above others.

890
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: I also want to point out that, you know, some

891
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: other names were thrown out there, maybe from a fan

892
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: speculation or you know, just you know, outside the box,

893
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: if you will, names that I just I don't necessarily

894
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: think probably make the most sense for the Braves. I

895
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: know that, you know, for instance, of Travis Darnaut, you know,

896
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: is someone that that that people have mentioned. It should

897
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: be mentioned, of course that he's still under contract plane

898
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: wise when it comes to the Angels, But I do

899
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: want to point out that I know so that some

900
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: other organizations have even had success going to get former

901
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: players who did not have any managerial experience really at

902
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: any level before they took over the job for an organization.

903
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that makes sense for the Braves, just

904
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: like I don't think, for instance, Tony Vautello from the

905
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: University of Tennessee goballs, but who comes from the University

906
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: of Tennessee. I don't think that that's someone that really

907
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: makes sense for the Braves because you're not looking to

908
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: bring in someone to just completely change the culture and

909
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: bring needed energy to the organization to try to help

910
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: build a successful restart or rebuild. That's not the case here.

911
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: That's why when we talk about managerial experience or coaching experience,

912
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: a proving track record I think is a really big

913
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: trait that you want in the manager of the next Braves.

914
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: But we talk so much about who the Braves are

915
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: going to hire, who's going to be in that spot.

916
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: And yes, again it's the right time to make a

917
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: change in that spot. But Scott will start with you

918
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: and Stephen gets your opinion on this as well. What

919
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: about the remaining of the coaching staff. Steven, I know

920
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: that you talk about the fact that we may have

921
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: to see a big part of that coaching staff replaced,

922
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: but there's also reason to want some of that continuity

923
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: to remain. Rich Kranitz has consistently gotten more than expected

924
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: from this pitching staff, even this year with you know,

925
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: having to put together a makeshift rotation and bullpen at times,

926
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Tim Hyers, he implemented needed areas of improvement for this

927
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: lineup as the season went along. I think that it

928
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: would be a more of a good thing than a

929
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: bad thing to retain both those guys. But how big

930
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: of a part does that play in your overall expectation

931
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: to retaining what seems to be a pretty good setup

932
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: coaching wise, a pretty good successful setup when it comes

933
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: to the supporting staff to a manager.

934
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: So I think for me, the priority is keeping Rick

935
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: Kranitz around. If Kranits is down to keep going, I'm

936
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: all for it. Braves pitching has been really good, and

937
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: they've developed young pitching well. That one to me is

938
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: kind of a no brainer. If Kranti is in, and

939
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: I will say Grantitis is getting a little bit older.

940
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: He also had a family issue A couple of years

941
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: ago that kept him away. Don't want to speculate on

942
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: that stuff, but if Granitis is in, I am in

943
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six. Tim Hires man alive. I mean,

944
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: it was so bad in the first half. The Braves

945
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: did hit better as the season went along. Part of

946
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: me says, it's kind of like an offensive coordinator in football.

947
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: If you change him every year, you're kind of starting

948
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: back at zero. But if the results aren't what you want,

949
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: it's kind of an easier decision to make. I could

950
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: probably be talked either way on Tim Hires, but if

951
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: they say we're gonna move on, I would not lose

952
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: sleep over it by any means. And then I mean

953
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the coaching staff. I'd love to have

954
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Eddie Perez around just for the vibes. Eddie's, of course

955
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: a Brave's life or in a legend. We'll see what

956
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: he ultimately wants to do. But that's I mean, for

957
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: the coaching staff, that's kind of it. It's keep Kranitz

958
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: if he's in, we'll see what they ultimately do with Hires.

959
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: And if Eddie Perez wants to come back, great, but

960
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: you know Tom Goodwin at first base, whatever, Freddy Gonzalez

961
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: at third base. It's still funny that they had to

962
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: make that change mid season because it was so bad

963
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: and Freddy was good at third base. So maybe the

964
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: new manager, whoever it is, will be down to have.

965
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Oh god, surely they wouldn't even think about Freddy Gonzalez

966
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: for two seconds, right right, the other name and then

967
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: I'll throw it to you, Stephen. Are we all in

968
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: agreement that we want no part of Mark de Rosa?

969
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was gonna be my So so Mark

970
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: has zero manager experience outside of the WBC. And I

971
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: don't count the WBC because it's a it's a glorified

972
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: All Star team. You're together for like three weeks if

973
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: you deal with none of the stuff that real managers

974
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: have to deal with. The whole thing is can you

975
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: keep a team together over six months? And there's just

976
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: no way to recreate that over three weeks with what

977
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: is basically an All Star team, So I don't I

978
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: don't count that at all. He's also not been a

979
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: coat like, he's not even been on like a coaching staff.

980
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: He's also said some pretty crazy things about the Braves

981
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. He's he's on MLB Network,

982
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: they do segments that they've got to get clicks and engagements,

983
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: and I understand, like he probably embellishes some stuff to

984
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: get reaction, but like he came out and said like

985
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: the Braves weren't as good because they've all got paid

986
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: and that they don't care as much, like stuff, that's

987
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: pretty insulting of a clubhouse. If I'm being quite honest,

988
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't know how welcome he would be. So yeah,

989
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 3: I have zero I have zero interest in Martin de Rosa.

990
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: Durosa was also one of the multiple I believe who

991
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: was like, hey, maybe the Braves are fine without Ronald

992
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: Acuna Junior.

993
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's he was railed against a Cunya a couple. Yeah,

994
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: I have the managerial experience alone would disqualify him for me.

995
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: But even if that wasn't the case, I have no

996
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: interest with him. The coaching staff is is like, because

997
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: everybody wants to know about Ron Washington, Listen, Ron Washington

998
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: is older than Snit. He just had a quadruple bypass surgery.

999
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: There's no way in hell this guy needs to be

1000
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: managing a baseball team next year. But if Ron Washington came,

1001
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: it's like Hey, I can't manage, but I kind of

1002
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: want to do something. I want to go back to

1003
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: being your infield coach or one of your base coaches. Like,

1004
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: hell yeah, sign me up for that. It's much less stress.

1005
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: You're not the one dealing with the media every day.

1006
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: You're not the one making out the lineup, You're not

1007
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: the one, you know, getting bombarded with questions. It's a

1008
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: much less stressful job. So if he wants to do that,

1009
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: if he wants to get back on the staff in

1010
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: some way, sign me up. He has no business being manager, though,

1011
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: you know Freddy. I thought Freddy did a good job

1012
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: when he came over for third base. I have no

1013
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: idea what they're gonna do with Tim Hyers. I thought

1014
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: mid season, I thought for sure they're gonna fight. I

1015
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: thought they might fire him like June. It was going

1016
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: so poorly for a while, but the offense did turn

1017
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: it up, turn it around in the second half, might

1018
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: have saved his job. You really don't want to have

1019
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: to replace your hitting coach twice in two years. It's

1020
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: not really the sign of stability that the Braves typically

1021
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: look for. But Scott is one thousand percent right. The

1022
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: most important part of this conversation is you have to

1023
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: find a way to keep Rick Kranitz. That guy gets

1024
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: the very most out of whatever his talent level is

1025
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: at any given time, whether it's Chris Sale and Spencer

1026
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: Swallenbach or it's you know, Hurston Waldrip and Joey Wentz,

1027
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: whatever his talent level is, he gets the most out

1028
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 3: of it. And I don't know what their individual contract

1029
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: situations are. I don't know how tired they were to

1030
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: specifically snit, but you gotta I think the number one

1031
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: you have to try to keep Rick Kranitz if you can.

1032
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he has any interest in managing.

1033
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 3: Probably not. I'm sure he'd be happy to stay as

1034
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: the pitching coach. I know the manager who you hire

1035
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: will probably want to have a say and who his

1036
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: pitching coach is going to be. But if it's possible,

1037
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: I would love to keep Rick Krantits.

1038
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: And I also think that it's worth noting that you know,

1039
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: if you were the more of that staff that you

1040
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: were to keep, like if you bring a Ron Washington on,

1041
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: if you were to retain a Freddie Gonzalez, if you

1042
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: were to retain a Rich Kranitz, that probably makes you

1043
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: more comfortable with potentially bringing in someone that you really

1044
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: like that doesn't have that managerial experience. If through these

1045
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: interviews in a name that we haven't even mentioned comes

1046
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: to light and really makes an impact in their interview

1047
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: with AA and whoever. You know, the hiring you know

1048
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: group is if you retain so many of those sources

1049
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: that you trust and do have experience, that could be

1050
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: what positions you to go after someone who may be

1051
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: more of a dark horse type candidate. Things such as that.

1052
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: And again, you know, Scott, we mentioned those names that

1053
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, could you know potentially be on a list

1054
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: that we're not thinking of right now. One other thing

1055
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: to consider in this it's not really a wild card,

1056
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's true about Alex and Topless. He is

1057
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: someone that puts a lot of value on his relationships

1058
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: and he is very loyal to those that he's worked

1059
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: with in the past. I don't necessarily mean that means

1060
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: he's going to hire someone that he's had extensive connections with,

1061
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: but I do think that that means that where he's

1062
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: going to talk that that's where names will come from

1063
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: that we may not have mentioned. But when we talk

1064
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: about connections that that is very important. You know, it's

1065
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: important to go with guys that you know. But it

1066
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: all comes back to this one thing. It comes back

1067
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: to why Steven is talking about a bilingual coach, someone

1068
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: that may be able to connect better in terms of

1069
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: communication with Latin American players and things like that. This

1070
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: coach has to prove without a doubt that when they

1071
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: go into the clubhouse you are very confident that they

1072
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: are going to gain that respect to the players that

1073
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: was so prevalent with Snit And they may have to

1074
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: do it in different ways. They may have to do

1075
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: it in different ways, but that above all has to

1076
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: be what stands out. If you put value on past

1077
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: managerial experience to see that, that's fine, but that's what

1078
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: has to stand out. You've got to get a guy

1079
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: who can connect well with the clubhouse because that's been

1080
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: such a pivotal part of what's been successful for us

1081
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: in recent past.

1082
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: And I think it's a virtual guarantee that that is

1083
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: going to be a large part of Alexanthopolis's decision. John,

1084
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: you did a great job interviewing Kevin Pillar the other night,

1085
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: and plard of reinforced some of the things we've heard

1086
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: about Alex and just how much he cares about the

1087
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: clubhouse and asking players about teammates and hey, how is

1088
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: this guy? Or you can be rest assured that no

1089
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: matter who he ultimately hires, the homework will be done.

1090
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: And if there's any real doubt, at least in my opinion,

1091
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: if there's any real doubt about who the person is

1092
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: not in the dugout and his ability to command a

1093
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: clubhouse and keep everybody together for seven or eight months

1094
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: at a time, I think that's probably more disqualifying than

1095
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: any other thing that they're going to talk about in

1096
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: the interview.

1097
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, that's also why front offices don't

1098
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: just stick like one of their analytical guys down in

1099
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: that spot. You know, in the modern game, the front

1100
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 3: office kind of decides a lot of the strategic part

1101
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 3: of the game. They decide, you know, they have input

1102
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: on the lineup, they have input on the bullpen usage.

1103
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: And so people have asked, well, if you're going to

1104
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: control that much of it, why don't you just put

1105
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: one of your front office people in the dugout to

1106
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: be the manager. And the reason you don't do that.

1107
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 3: The reason you do not do that is because The

1108
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: players have to know and respect the person in that

1109
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 3: spot to get them to play hard for seven months.

1110
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: You cannot just stick an empty suit that they don't know,

1111
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: that they never heard of, that never played or is

1112
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: never managed. There's no reason for them to respect them.

1113
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 3: That is how you lose a clubhouse like instantaneously. And

1114
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: that's why, like, that's why I think managerial experience matters.

1115
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: Or that you've played, you've been on a staff, you

1116
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: have something that these players can look to and say,

1117
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: all right, he's done this. I can respect that, I

1118
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: can respect. I don't always agree with what he says,

1119
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: but he's been here, he's done this. It's why it's

1120
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: usually former players. That's why it's usually guys who have

1121
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: come up through the ranks. You very rarely just see

1122
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: just a out of nowhere hire for a manager because

1123
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 3: the respect factor is too big a deal, and it's

1124
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: every bit of deal in this search because of it,

1125
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: especially with the guy you're replacing, that has to, like

1126
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 3: Scott said, that has to be the main thing. It

1127
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: can't be a thing. That has to be the main thing.

1128
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: And I wonder him with this. On my end is

1129
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: that it's a time to also be excited right like,

1130
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: not because of the fact that that Snicker's no longer

1131
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: the manager, that he should be celebrated, praise, get all

1132
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: the adulation that he deserves, but it's a time where

1133
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to improve things. We've talked about

1134
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: it for more than a year now. Some things about

1135
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: the organizational approach to success that this organization has put

1136
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: in place for years they have to change. The best

1137
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: way to implement that is making sure that you get

1138
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: the leader of your roster right. And I don't feel

1139
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: there's anybody who knows the importance of that more than

1140
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: Alex Enthopolis because he's had the biggest impact on building

1141
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: what has been successful, what has proven to be successful

1142
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: in years past, that he now needs to make successful

1143
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: to his expectations once again. So that gives me confidence

1144
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: that he not only is going to be thorough and

1145
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, exhaustive in this I fe that that

1146
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: means that he's going to get it right and at

1147
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: the end of the day, maybe a day that we

1148
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: mentioned may not, but at the end of the day,

1149
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: we're going to see that the name that he brings

1150
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: in is someone that he thoroughly vested and someone that

1151
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: I feel will be the right move for this clubhouse

1152
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully will be a critical component to us getting

1153
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: back to the contention that we all know we want

1154
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: this team to be at Scott Steven As we wrap

1155
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast, anything else

1156
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: from either of y'all.

1157
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: Just a big day for the Atlanta Braves, and we

1158
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: all had a hunch that this was coming, but now

1159
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: it's real, and now it is a new era of

1160
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Braves baseball. And we have not been able to say

1161
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: many times, and I mean honestly our lifetimes, that the

1162
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: Braves are looking for a new manager. It has been

1163
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: the pillar of consistency in Major League Baseball, and I'm

1164
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: excited for the future. I think you nail that, Sean.

1165
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: It's an exciting time. Give Brian Sticker all the love

1166
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: and credit that he deserves. But let's go find the

1167
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: manager and let's get back to winning, because I mean, boys,

1168
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: I put on a playoff game right now, and I

1169
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: am just so envious of just the passion and emotion.

1170
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: Not only get back to the playoffs, but let's get

1171
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: back to winning some playoff games. We've won two playoff

1172
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: games since winning the World Series, that's just not right.

1173
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: It should not be that way. Let's get a manager,

1174
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: let's have a good, productive, fruitful offseason, and then let's

1175
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: get back to being where we want the Braves to be.

1176
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I echo all of that. It's gonna be.

1177
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: It's you know, it was already a fascinating offseason. We

1178
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: kind of assumed this was coming, and then we kind

1179
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: of assumed it might not come, and now it came.

1180
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: So now you know, not only is the roster up

1181
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 3: for debate and questions, now the manager and the entire

1182
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: coaching staff quite frankly is up. And so the one

1183
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: thing I will say is there's plenty of content coming

1184
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: because we have now even more questions to this offseason.

1185
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: We were gonna get probably weekly updates on this managerial search.

1186
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 3: We're gonna get some answers on the coaching staff about

1187
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: what their contractual statuses are, what they're interested in, are

1188
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: there interested in coming back? You know, it's going to

1189
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: get very interesting. And like I said at the beginning

1190
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: of this today, it's just the start of this process.

1191
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: I know it has some finality to it because somebody

1192
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: is leaving, but for the Brave from the Braves, perspective.

1193
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: This is day one of this process, and it's going

1194
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: to play out through you know, quite a bit of

1195
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: time going, you know, through the World Series and then

1196
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 3: the offseason starts in early November. But there's gonna be

1197
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: quite a bit to talk about, so make sure you're

1198
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: falling along.

1199
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: And to put this in as maybe eye opening a

1200
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: context as possible, we talk about the continuity the Braves roster,

1201
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: who they have under contract and things like that. Guys,

1202
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Chris Sayle

1203
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: may be the only Brave who has been alive since

1204
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety that's under contract through next year. He may

1205
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: be the only Brave who's been alive to have seen

1206
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: three Braves coaching searches in his lifetime. Pierce Johnson may

1207
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: be old enough, but again, we saw it in twenty sixteen,

1208
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: but the time before that was nineteen ninety era. Excuse me,

1209
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: excuse me, Let me tell let me take this back,

1210
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: let me take this.

1211
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: Back to see you the hell out of me with.

1212
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: I know, I don't want to talk about that. The

1213
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: point that I'm getting at is that this is again,

1214
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: the Braves have had three managers over the past thirty

1215
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: five years. To put it into context, you see some

1216
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: teams who go through three managers in multiple seasons, so

1217
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: it is quite quite rare to see a Braves managerial search.

1218
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: That's why it's exciting to see. For sure, nothing else

1219
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: from Scott and Steven. Can't thank you enough for joining

1220
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: us here on the Hammer Territory of podcast. We will

1221
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow night after Alex Andthopoulos's comments when it

1222
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: comes to the Braves the end of the season. Now

1223
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: obviously a managerial just searched twenty to watch out for

1224
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: tomorrow with his comments, we'll break it all down tomorrow.

1225
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: Can't thank you enough for joining us again. A salute

1226
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: to Brian Snicker, great job on his career. Can't thank

1227
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: you enough. We'll talk to you again soon here on

1228
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast. Let the.

1229
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 3: Least the lea