WEBVTT - Guest Host: Lisa Boothe Commands 'The Freedom Hut' 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:15.240 You are entering the freedom Hunt. This is the Buck 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.640 Sexton Show, where the mission or mission is to decode 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:25.680 what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake, American ring, 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:31.080 You're a great American Again the Buck Sexton Show begins, 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:41.880 Remember the Sexton. No, I really can't stay. Maybe it's 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.560 cold outside. I've got to go away. Maybe it's cold outside. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.040 This evening has been hoping that you drop very nice. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.040 I'll hold your hands. They're just like my mother will 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.320 start too worryful. What's your father? Will be pacing the 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.240 flow to the fireplace. So really i'd better skirt, please, 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:09.960 don't well, maybe just a half a drink. Baby it's 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.440 bad out this So I love that song. And this 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.840 is Lisa Booth with the Buck Sexton Show. I'm filling 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.760 in for him tonight. Obviously I don't sound like him, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.520 which is probably a good thing because that would be weird. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.000 But all right, So I am really fired up about 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.680 this right now. So we've got radio stations in Cleveland 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.440 and San Francisco that have banned this beautiful song, Baby 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.680 It's Cold Outside, a Christmas classic goes back to nineteen 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.360 forty four. They have banned this song and one of 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.520 the hosts of the radio one of the radio stations 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.839 that banned it, Glenn Anderson, had this to say. He said, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.680 the world we live in is extra sensitive now. People 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.120 get easily offended. But in a world where me too 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.160 has finally given woman the voice they deserve, this song 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.880 has no place. But isn't that kind of the problem. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.440 One that the world has gotten that sensitive that a 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.280 song from nineteen forty four somehow a problem. But also 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.240 they need to movement and how far it's gone that 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.240 the lyrics of the song somehow imply you know something nefarious. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.840 And what really drives me insane is I really think 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.600 it sort of puts the viewpoint of the left in perspective. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.040 One from the censorship standpoint, they don't like something, they 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.680 shut it down. But two that somehow women are victims. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.040 And you look at the words of this song. And 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.200 the woman in the song decides to stay. So who 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.119 cares if she's asked three four times to stay? It's 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.959 her choice. She has agency. If she wanted to leave, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.560 she could have left. She decided to stay. She decided 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.200 to have another drink. And according to the song, it 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.480 was cold outside, wouldn't you want to stay? Inside and 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.720 have another drink, particularly if you're hanging out with someone 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.239 you like and someone you're having fun with. So how 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.480 ridiculous is it to imply somehow, because she's asked a 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.920 couple of times, that you know, she can't make their 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.760 own decision, and to stay that she's a victim. It 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.280 paints her as weak and that drives me insane as 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.880 a woman. But it really is the same approach that 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.640 the Left applies to a lot of things, even for 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.600 the equal pay argument from the left. Essentially, what they're 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.360 implying is that women need a government mandate or government 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.400 intervention to get paid more, And how ridiculous that. And 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.000 even if you look at studies, they don't even break 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.040 that down. Most often the breakdown and pay comes from 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.079 decisions that a woman makes, either time in office or 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.640 choosing less lucrative careers. But it just really irks me 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.200 that the left beliefs somehow that a woman can't do 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.200 it on their own and that they need a government intervention. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.600 And another aspect of this that I find, you know, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.800 really just scary and terrifying is sort of for the 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.360 relationships between men and women. There was also this Princeton 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.240 A capella group that decided to pull the plug on 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.040 the Kiss the Girl from Little Mermaid. Everyone knows that song. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.080 I'm not going to sing it because I have a 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.800 terrible voice. Nobody wants to hear that. But people at 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.640 the university said that they raised concerns over misogyny and 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.240 that it was dismissive of consent. How ridiculous, somehow a 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.280 song just about kissing a girl is going to trigger people. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.960 I mean, how insane have we gotten? And where has 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.920 this led us? As well? The Daily Wire recently reported 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.680 about women and men in relationships having to enter some 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.520 sort of dating consent agreement and shooting videos regarding consent 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.560 because men are so terrified about getting caught up in 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.120 this too movement. And it really concerns me because you 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.640 look at what the over correctness or the overcorrection we've 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.160 seen in society about the meed too, and it actually 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:27.200 negatively impacts women. You know. Bloomberg interviewed around thirty senior 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.760 executives on Wall Street and they actually found that men 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.719 are walking on eggshells because they're so terrified of getting 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.680 caught up in they need too movement that they don't 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.800 even want to be around women. And I found this 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.480 interesting because Karen Olinsky, a president of the Financial Women's 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.880 Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo, said 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.960 the falling. She said that women are grasping for ideas 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.320 and how to deal with it because it's affecting their 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.520 careers and it's a real loss. So essentially what has 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.880 happened is because of the me too movement and this 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:01.560 overcorrected overcorrection and the societ that we've seen, women are 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.560 actually worse off and men are terrified to be a 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.080 round woman. And can you blame them? I mean, you 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.120 look at what happened to Supreme Court Justice Brett Cavanaugh 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.360 and the railroading of him over baseless allegations from people 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.480 like Christine Ford, where we've seen numerous inconsistencies with her stories. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.960 We saw lies about flying, lies about the second exited house. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.080 I mean, can you blame men for being terrified of 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.280 living in this society? I remember a while back, there's 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.400 a woman named Emily Lindon, I believe it's her name 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.840 from teen Vogue, and she said that it doesn't at 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.680 all concern her if innocent men's lose their jobs over 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.640 false accusations because it's more important to bring down the patriarchy. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.359 I mean, how terrifying is that that it's okay for 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.400 an innocent man to get caught up in something that 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.320 he didn't do, just to prove a bigger point. That's 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.000 where we're at, people, And nook no further than what 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.640 Senator Mazie Horno also said during the Supreme Court confirmation 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.599 of Brett Cavanaugh. She said that men should just shut up. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.640 So men listening, that's what you should do. That's what 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.919 people on the left, that's what some of these women believe, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.080 Mazie Rano being one of them, just shut up. And 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.200 Senator Jill Brand also further approved this point. Just this week, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.760 she tweeted out that the future is a female, to 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.160 which Donald Trump Junior rightfully responded. He said, should I 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.280 tell my boys, ages nine, seven and six that there 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.800 was no future for them? So, you guys, this is 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.040 the kind of society that we're living in right now. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.640 And you know what, it may just be a banning 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.360 of the song is the way the left views this, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.520 But I view it as so much bigger. And these 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.600 are issues we're facing as a society. The over sensitivity, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.640 the censorship of the left, and also what the over 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.560 correction of the me too movement has brought. And we 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.520 really saw that come to a fruition with the Supreme 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.920 Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh hearing. And we're going to see 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.159 a lot more of this. So people, if you were 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.280 living in these states or in these cities where these 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.120 radio stations are banning baby it's cold outside, you call 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:03.880 them and you tell them that you want them to 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.799 play it. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. Lisa 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.440 Booth filling him for him tonight. You might know me 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.240 from Fox News. I'm on outnumbers sometimes I do a 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.360 bunch of stuff over there. I've also written some columns 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.160 for The Hill and for the Washington Examinar, and spent 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.880 some time on Capitol Hill in campaigns as well. We've 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.360 got an awesome show for you tonight. We've got National 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.600 Review Andrew McCarthy. We're gonna talk to him about the 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.400 Mueller probe. We're going to talk to Stephen Yates about 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.440 China and trade. Jesse Kelly, who thinks that Alexandria Acasio 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.960 Cortes should not be underestimated. You're gonna want to stay 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.480 tuned for that. And we're also going to talk immigration 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:44.560 with Center for Immigration Studies Andrew Arthur and also Fares R. J. Hammond. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.040 So you're gonna want to stick around for that. It's 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.160 going to be an awesome show. But first I wanted 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.600 to get your take, you know, on what I had 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.960 said earlier on in the show about the Me Too 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.880 movement and the band on the baby It's Cold Outside song. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.160 So why don't you call in if you're If you're around, 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.480 we'd love to hear your thoughts. Phone numbers eight four four, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.720 nine hundred buck So tune in, would love to hear 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.920 what you have to say. And also another person who 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.240 I want to hear what they have to say is 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.400 producer Mike. Mike, how did I do there with that? 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.640 What did you make of my opening statement there? I 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.360 thought it was outstanding. When you said you came in, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.440 you said you wanted to talk about that, I was like, yeah, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.120 I'm like that's pretty good because like on the surface, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.040 I when this debate was going on, it's found it 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.080 utterly ridiculous. I was just like, here's the left losing 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.040 their minds again. But like like when you get into 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.760 it and which just happened with Judge Cavanaugh and the 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.400 environment we live in. It's serious. You know, it's from 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.800 a guy's point of view, like it's not like it 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.880 used to be. And you have to be cautious about dating. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.040 And when you can take a seventy four year old 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.880 song and make that out of it, I think it's 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.200 ridiculous but scary. Well, and that's what's And look, I'm 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.240 a I'm all for like the Harvey Weinstein's going down, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.560 and you know people like that, you know, who are 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.120 doing terrible things. But you know, I'm not okay with, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.920 you know, the baseless allegations thirty six years later that 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:06.200 are unproven, no corroborating witnesses, no corroborating evidence, and trying 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.239 to bring someone down off of a beer a mirror allegation. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.800 That's why it really concerns me because I have three brothers, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.040 and you know, so I look at this both from 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.960 a female perspective but also someone who has been raised 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.760 in a family with guys, and you know, it's kind 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.520 of terrifying. And I was telling you about the study 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.280 that I found really interesting. And so I'm a senior 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.760 fellow for this group called Independent Woman's Voice, and her 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.679 sister's organization is the Independent Woman's Foundation, and so they 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.360 flagged this study that I found super interesting. All right, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.640 and so the study's done by Valentine Bolotney. I'm sorry, Valentine, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.960 I probably butchered your name, so I apologize for that 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.160 also Natalie Emmanuel. And so essentially what they did is 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.200 they looked at several years of data with the Massachusetts 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.040 Bay Transportation Authority BUST and train operations, and what they 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.240 found is that even in a unionized environment, where tasks 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:58.480 are similar, allery wages our identical, and tenure dictates promotion, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.320 that female workers still earned eighty nine cents on the 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.520 male worker dollar. And the reason they found was because 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.320 of the choices that women make, for instance, and what 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.440 they found that men take forty eight percent fewer unpaid 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:15.760 hours off work, eighty nine percent more overtime hours annually, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.520 and also sign up for seven percent more scheduled overtime, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.319 and they take twice as much last minute unscheduled over time. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.240 And I found that interesting because even in this really 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.880 level playing field that you have, you still have women 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.679 earning less. What that tells me is perhaps there's one 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.439 on the left that are showing up at these rallies 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.040 with the pink cats. Maybe they should spend more time 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.920 not at these rallies and wearing these pink cats, but 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.160 maybe showing up at work. Yeah, putting in a little 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.439 bit more time, or making different career decisions in the 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.640 career fields that they're choosing. I don't know if you 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.480 don't necessarily have to respond to the I don't want 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.800 to gain in trouble, but yeah, I'm in trouble every 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.280 day here. But it's all good. But what do you 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.400 make of that study? I mean, is it as interesting 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.520 as I find it? Or am I just a nerd here? No? 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.439 I think if you carried about two of those things 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.200 could be true at the same time you're on now, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.800 I'm good. Yeah, I found it very interesting. And once again, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.120 like I said, I can't believe this actually studies about 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.640 this now, But it's why it's out there. I think it's, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.720 you know, worth paying attention to and worth you know, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.839 talking about. Has anyone called them talk to us yet? Yeah, 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.719 we actually have some We have Mark onm Mississippi on 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.240 the line, so he wants to talk about a little 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:21.280 bit and we're gonna put them through right now for you. Hey, Mark, Hey, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.240 are you doing I'm doing well, how are you doing tonight? 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.280 Good listen, I just wanted to put some infot on 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.920 when this started. I'm fifty eight year old white male. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.520 I've been at a chemical plant for thirty years. And 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.599 the brainwashing classes as I call them, starting back in 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.120 the nineties, and they kept changing the program and starting 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.960 out and expect respect, matter of respect, women for this, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.120 women for that. And we have women that work and 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.160 they actually are making the same amount of money, but 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.520 just the things that have changed over the years. And 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.720 they have a network for everybody but the white male. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:03.240 They have the LGDDCT whatever. All the letters are Hispanic Network, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:09.520 the Black Network, Women's Network. And years ago my colleague 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.920 tried to start a Christian network and we're told that 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.960 you just can't be forming hate groups. Wow. But the women, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:19.880 you know, I heard you talking about some of them 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.959 not making money at other places. I'm sure that might, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.079 but they are here and they're you know, same as 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.760 this men. There's some men that are can't carry their 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.079 weight either. But when you get out there and you're 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.840 talking about valves and forty eight inch plate frenches and 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.600 stuff like that, you know, they give, they get it, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.400 but they just change it around when they work around them. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.199 There's nothing against women or anything. We got plenty of them. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.280 They're good workers and can you know, do better than 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.680 some men. Well, the point I was making is that 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.440 there's this you know, well, the point I was making 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.680 is that there's a study that essentially, in you know, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.880 very level equal playing field, that essentially what happened is 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.440 that the choices of the women there dick heated the 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.640 outcome of the pay. So that was the point I 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.480 was making, is that, you know, it's a lot of 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.720 times it comes down to choice. And again back to 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.120 my point earlier agency and the fact that women aren't victims. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:12.960 We make our own decisions and we you know, we 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.520 make our own determination in life. So that was kind 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.480 of more broadly about the point I was making. But 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.960 do you find in the work environment has your interaction 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.360 with women changed or are you worried with you know, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.480 sort of the me too movement and that interaction with 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:34.000 the you know, women at your organization. I mean, I've 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.199 been married to the same lady for thirty one years, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.160 so I try to avoid I do like to I 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.360 guess they call it a pension method. I don't show 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.360 up with anybody alone or working together or anything. It's 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.800 always more than just me and another woman doing a 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.080 job or something. You know, And that's saying terrible, but 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.160 I mean that's just the way I mean. I gave 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.880 an example. We had a man that was become the 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.280 supervisor area. He brought again it really wasn't one of 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.200 the good workers, and he brought her behind closed door 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.560 as well. It wasn't two months after that he went 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.439 back to his tools because he was told under no 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.520 circumstances or you go one on one behind closed door. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:17.920 You know. He was just trying to give her a 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.000 performance review and tell her what she was doing on 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.000 but that was just a big insult. Yeah, well, it 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.280 sounds like you're ruined, ruined a good person. Well, it 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.560 sounds like you're a smart man. And as they say, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.800 happy wife, happy life. Right yeah, all right, well you 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.120 have a great night. I appreciate you calling in. All right, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.080 we're gonna go to Nick now and queens who wants 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.280 to talk about this as well. Okay, hey Nick, Hey Lisa, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.920 are you I'm doing well? How's it going? Good? Excellent 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.560 job so far? Oh I appreciate that. That's better than 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.200 the alternative, right yeah, right, And I'm the one I 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.480 always tweet you pictures of when you're on TV. Oh awesome, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.200 I appreciate that. I let's try your pictures of my 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.560 niece every once in a a long. Oh yeah, I've got 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.080 I've got a niece as well. Um, she's a little 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.120 CUTI pie. So that's a really fun thing to have. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.800 Um and so what so what were your thoughts then 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.640 on you know what I had said, uh, sort of 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.120 regarding the banning of baby it's cold outside and sort 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.080 of more broadly, this overcorrection in society regarding the me 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.760 too movement? You know, what are your thoughts on that? 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.960 I think it's ridiculous and I think you actually probably 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.160 said it on TV that think of the other songs 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.240 that are on the radio and the rap songs and 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.240 all these other songs that are on the radio. But 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.080 those are fine. But you know, in old time Christmas 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.280 song is not right. And that's that's just you know that, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.120 that's just really really the PC police are just it's 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.560 it's out of control. And you know, I my kind 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.880 of theory is I'm going to do whatever I want 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.040 and I don't care what other people think. Well, and 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.920 it's like, if I want to listen to Christmas music. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.440 I'm gonna listen to Christmas music. Same here, which is 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.640 why we started the show with baby It's Cold Outside 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.120 because I love that song. But they're coming for a 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.680 little Mermaid kiss the girls a problem. They're also coming 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.720 for it off, so Rudolph needs to be aware as well. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.280 But Nick, I appreciate your time, thanks so much for 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.600 calling in, and we appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Right, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.400 I think we have one more call. Time for one 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:15.280 more call. Let's do it, yeah, Alan Ohio, Alan, Hey, Allen, Hi, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.000 how's it going? Okay? Um? A lot of snow and 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.640 sloppy weather here in the Buckeye State. Ah, well, you 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.760 know that's what I h Oh Sorry, go ahead, But 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.560 I had a couple comments about this song, and it 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.120 shows a lot of ignorance on the left side because 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:42.240 I work with traumatized women, and I think I'm a counselor, okay, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.520 And I think this whole um protest that they have 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.240 against this song minimizes what it's really like for a 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:56.000 woman who's been truly traumatized. That song in that movie 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:01.360 does not begin to um parallel in any way what 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:08.320 happens to women who are physically restrained, blocked from leaving, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:14.439 and I think that it trivializes the whole issue. The 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.359 second observation I just wanted to make real quickly is 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.439 that I think it's sexist because if the roles were reversed, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.159 we wouldn't even be having this conversation. If it was 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:31.080 the woman asking the man to stay, we wouldn't be 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.359 having this conversation. So I think the whole fact that 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.120 they point out a problem here shows that they have 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.760 a sexist, sexist viewpoint. Well, you know that's actually that's 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.720 a great point you make, because you're right. I mean, look, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.320 if this song was about a woman saying that to 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.240 a man, they'd be like, oh, look at her. She's 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.320 so strong, she's so empowered, she makes her own decisions. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.320 But exactly back to you know, your point what I 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.200 was saying earlier, It's like the fact, just because he's 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.800 asked her a couple of different times, somehow she can't 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.600 make her own decisions. I mean, in the end of 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.280 the song, she chose to stay. She wanted to have 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.240 another drink, So I mean, you know, goes back to 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.840 you know, that point about agency and ability for a 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.719 woman to make her own decisions, but you're right. If 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.240 the roles were reversed, the dynamics of the conversation would 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.760 be completely interesting. Thank you so much for Alan. You 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.040 made some really interesting points tonight, so we really appreciate 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:29.080 your time. All right again, Lisa booth Phillion for the 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.639 buck Sexton Show. You know me from Fox News, I 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.479 think in some other places, So stay with us. Welcome 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.600 back to the buck Sexton Show. We've got Andrew McCarthy 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.320 from the National Review and also a Fox News contributor, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.080 and I've had the honor of being on the Fox 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.879 News is Outnumbered couch with him. Andy, You're such a 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.840 smart guy, so I am so glad to have you 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.600 on the show tonight. And just you know so much 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.720 about the Mueller investigation, everything that's going on, so I'm 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.639 just so thankful that we've got you to break it 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.959 down for us. So, you know, Andy, first of all, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.760 I want to start off Judge Napolitan, I want of 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.080 her co workers from Fox made some news yesterday. He 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.679 said that he believed that Don Junior will be indicted. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.200 Do you believe that statement? Do you believe him? Well, 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.200 I don't see any evidence to that at the moment. Lisa, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.760 I think that we have a better indication that there 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.480 was some kind of a criminal investigation going on. I don't, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.800 I don't really, I don't know what the Politano was 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.640 referring to. I know that people are looking carefully at 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.480 his testimony in the in the Senate, but so far, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.560 you know, the only intriguing thing there is that he 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:44.000 says that he did not speak to then candidate now 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.919 President Donald Trump about the Russia meeting at the Trump 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.520 Tower in June of twenty sixteen. The only two people 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.520 I think who know that one way or the other 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:03.240 are Don Junior, the President, and from what I understand, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.560 one of the things that the Mueller has been putting 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:10.080 pressure on Paul Manafort where they've had a flowing out 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:15.360 after Manafort was trying to cooperate with the investigation, Mueller's 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.400 evidently been putting pressure on him about whether the President 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.359 knew about the Trump Tower meeting him, whether Don Junior 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.399 had told him. I don't know what other evidence, you know, 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.720 what other transaction they'd be looking at, but I don't 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.959 to what. At least the way I understand the investigation 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:33.879 right now, I don't think they have evidence to charge 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.880 him well, and I wanted to ask you that because 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.400 I read your column the other day, and the case 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.159 you made is that Mueller is not or he's building report, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.320 he's not building sort of a criminal case. And so 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.880 if you can for our listeners if they haven't read 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.040 your column, which they should, and I advise everyone to 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.199 go and read it, but can you just sort of 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.840 summarize that for us and why you believe that he's 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.160 building report and not a case. Yeah, sure, Well, no 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.000 prosecutor builds a case, Lisa, the way that Muller is 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.280 going about it. So what you want to have when 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:11.240 you're building a criminal case is a cooperator who's an accomplice, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.440 who is involved in what you say is the main scheme. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.120 And then what you do is you bring that cooperator 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.359 into court to plead guilty and you have him alocute 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.480 to the full extent of the conspiracy. So you say, yes, 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:29.120 there was a Yes, there was a conspiratorial arrangement. I 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.120 was involved in it. You know, these other three people 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.119 were involved in it. Here's what they did, here's what 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.720 I did. And that's how you go about it. The 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.760 last thing you would do as a prosecutor trying to 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:45.040 build to the crescendo of a big case would be 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:49.639 to plead all of your possible, big important witnesses to 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.000 charges of lying to investigators. It would mean that the 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.320 one enduring thing that a jury would come away with 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.119 after watching your case is that they can't believe a 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.199 thing any of your this is say, which is not 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.280 the way that you that you go about it. So 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.760 I think Mueller's problem, and this has been the problem 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.359 I tried to identify when he was appointed without the 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.280 basis of a you know, without any factual grounding for 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:21.639 a criminal investigation. From that day forward, there has never 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.960 been a time when it seemed that Mueller had evidence 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.920 of anything criminal in the way of a scheme between 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:33.200 the Trump people and the Kremlin. And I've always thought, Lisa, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.040 that that's the reason they refer to it as collusion, 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.480 because collusion is a weasel word, and uh, you know, 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.200 it just means concerted activity. You and I are colluding 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.280 by having this conversation, doesn't mean we're doing anything wrong, right, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:52.119 What what prosecutors care about is conspiracy, which is a 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:56.160 criminal agreement to violate a law, a criminal law, And 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.119 he's never had that. So I think that you know, 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.680 every There are a lot of people who who don't 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.000 like Trump who look at all these pleas and they think, 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:10.159 you know, very hopefully from their perspective, that Mueller is 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:16.520 piece by piece, mesodically rolling up people to get, you know, 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.439 to go up the chain, as they say, and finally 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.800 get to Trump. But that only works when you're getting 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.920 them to plead guilty to the thing that they did 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.760 with Trump. And if they're all pleading guilty to making 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.800 false statements to investigators long and after the cell called 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:35.000 collusion scheme, then you don't really have a collusion case. Well, 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.399 so then you know, my question to you then is, 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.000 you know, what's the point of the Mueller investigation? Then 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.639 if if they're you know, really, isn't this criminal activity? 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.720 You know, why even have the Muller investigation of the 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.560 beginning with like to begin him? What is he doing? 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.800 What is the point of this investigation? That's always been 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.800 a great question, and it's you know, one of the 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.200 reasons I try to point out that, you know, there 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:05.000 is this distinction between criminal investigations and counterintelligence investigations. What 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:10.000 Mueller was handed was a counterintelligence investigation that's importantly different 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:14.080 from a criminal investigation. In the latter. In criminal cases, 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.280 what you're trying to do is build evidence so that 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.679 you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody that 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.520 you've identified as a suspect has violated a law. The 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.080 point of a counter intelligence investigation is not to enforce 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.240 the law. In fact, most the vast majority of counterintelligence 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.720 investigations don't have anything to do with criminal prosecution. The 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:40.600 point of a counterintelligence investigation is to collect information about 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:46.080 foreign powers that may threaten American interests. So, for example, 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:51.679 in the Russia counterintelligence investigation, the thing that you're looking 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.600 at is Russia. You know to the extent that it 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.240 poses a threat to our election system and anything else 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.520 that way, it may pose a threat too. And the 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.760 reason it's really bad to give a prosecutor a counterintelligence 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:12.960 investigation is twofold. First, in the Justice Department, counterintelligence investigations 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.960 don't get a prosecutor because it's not lawyer work. It's 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.720 agent work. It's analytical work. There's nothing about having a 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:24.080 law degree that makes you an expert intelligence analysis. So 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.040 the only time the lawyers get involved in the Justice 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:31.160 Department in counterintelligence is if the analysts need them to 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:35.160 get for example, a warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:39.399 Act to surveil somebody. So then the prosecutorial it's not 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.040 even they not even usually prosecutors, they're just government lawyers 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.600 in the Justice Department. They will go to the fies 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.479 the court and try to get a warrant for the agents, 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.360 but they don't get involved in the collection or analysis 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:55.600 of the evidence. So why you would put a prosecutor 0:25:55.640 --> 0:26:01.120 in charge of an important counterintelligence investigation is beyond me. 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.920 But the second reason it's really bad, Lisa, is what 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.920 you want with prosecutors is for them to be assigned 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.200 to something that already is suspected to be a crime. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.159 When you assigned the prosecutor. In other words, what we 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.800 do in this country is a crime gets committed and 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.800 then we assign a prosecutor. We don't assign a prosecutor 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.960 and tell them, see what you can do to go 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.440 off and find a crime. So that's not the way 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:30.439 it works. So my being overly am I overly simplifying 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.639 this and saying that you know, it seems like Muller 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.439 is in search of a crime instead of investigating a 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:39.560 crime that's already happened. Yes, I think that with respect 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.120 to President Trump. That has always been true. And one 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.840 of the reasons that's another of the reasons I guess 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.600 I should say that's that's a really bad way to 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.520 go about it in terms of counter intelligence. Is you know, 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.840 if I assign you, Lisa as a prosecutor to go 0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:00.280 investigate the robbery of the First National Bank, we all 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.199 know that there was a robbery, and we know that 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.399 there's like three or four elements of bank robbery that 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.680 a prosecutor has to prove beyond the reasonable doubt. So 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:15.240 the transaction has understandable limits and parameters, and you either 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.399 you can either prove it or you can't after doing 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:24.840 an adequate investigation. By contrast, a counterintelligence investigation, as we've 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.800 just said, is just an information gathering exercise, and the 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.239 guys who gather information will always tell you they can 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.320 never get enough, right. So unlike a normal criminal investigation, 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.120 it doesn't have any finite you know, there's no sensible 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.200 beginning an end to it, and it can just be 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.600 an unguided missile or a phishing expedition with no natural 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.280 beginning or end, and it would be one It would 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.679 be one thing if you did something like that in 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.879 a normal prosecutor's office where all the resources of the 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.359 office can't be poured into one case. You know, every 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.000 every case has to compete with every other case for resources. 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.399 But you know, when you're when you're a special cancel situation, 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.840 it's like you're you assigned a prosecutor to one target. 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.920 And then if you turn around and say, and by 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.720 the way, we're putting any limits on you. You're assigned 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.320 to this person and you scorch the earth as much 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.120 as you think you need to to try to find 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:26.600 a crime. That's not really the American way of doing investigations. Yeah, 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.080 it's pretty terrifying stuff there. And look, i'd be eve 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.240 remiss to not ask you about the Mueller sentencing report 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.280 on Michael Flynn. It came out on Tuesday night. What 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.240 are your takeaways from it? And also is the media 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:43.000 missing anything big about it that hasn't really been reported. Oh? Yeah, 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.120 I think that there's a lot in there. I mean, 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.040 I know everybody says because there's so much redaction, you 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.160 can't really tell what Muller has and there's there's something 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.600 to be said for that. But I think it's interesting. Um, 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.520 it seems to me that it confirms something that that 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.400 I've been arguing all along, which is that you know, 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.840 you asked me a second ago, what is Muller doing here? 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.800 I think a big priority that Mueller has is to 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:15.240 justify the very controversial decision made by the Obama administration 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:21.840 to conduct an investigation of the opposition party's presidential campaign 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:30.320 the presidency of Trump. And you know, I think that's 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:35.520 what they were obviously going about doing that. If you 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.000 look at the Flynn memo, what it seems to indicate 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:44.400 is that they've brought on to exactly what the theory 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.680 that the Justice Department had in the Obama days before 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.640 Muller was assigned. So you'll learn that, you know, there 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.640 was a Logan Act investigation of Flynn during the Trump transition. Well, 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.160 you know, the Logan Act is not a good basis 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.840 to conduct a criminal investigation. It's this two century old 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:08.000 provision that never has been prosecuted successfully in the Justice Department. 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:13.320 And when when Flynn was in the Trump transition, his 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:19.160 job was to deal with counterparts from other countries. So 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.960 you know, I don't think that's a proper basis to 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.560 be conducting an investigation. And yet, you know, Muller seems 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.600 to adopt that. So I think a big part of 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.520 what he's trying to do here is even if they 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:37.680 don't find any sitable criminal offenses, by they are going 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.920 to they are ultimately going to say that there was 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.560 plenty of basis for the FBI in the Justice Department 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.920 to be suspicious. So why aren't more people reporting that then? 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.000 Because you mean, you look at that, there really doesn't 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.640 seem to be a basis for the FBI ever interview 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.040 interviewing Flynn in the first place. He didn't do anything 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.760 wrong with talking to Kissley acc about sanctions. He was 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.160 part of the incoming administration. That has happened before. So 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.760 why why aren't more people talking about that? I think 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.680 because the media buy enlarges anti Trump, and they liked 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.840 the investigation. And you know, ultimately Congress is not limited, Lisa, 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.160 to criminal violations. High crimes and misdemeanors don't have to 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:21.800 be indictable criminal offenses, so it's always possible that Muller 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.360 could turn up something that might be impeachable, even if 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.680 it can't be used to indict Trump. So they liked 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.360 the investigation. All right, Andy, well, thank you so much 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.160 for joining us tonight. I knew you would be an 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.680 awesome guest. So so thankful for you joining us this 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:37.080 evening and making sense of everything for us. Thanks so much, 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.040 least always a pleasure to be with you. Thank you. 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.880 Hope to see you soon. All right, YEA, have a 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:48.360 great night. Muller's not involved in a investigation. Mueller has 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:52.880 a Trump destruction project. He brought on a team, all 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.080 of them dedicated to destroying Trump. They've done everything they 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.560 could to destroy Trump. Part of that technique is you 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.120 throw the kitchen sink. You basically threatened somebody and say 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.800 I'm going to bankrupt you, I'm going to put your 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.080 son in jail. I'm going to charge you with so 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.720 many different crimes you'll never get out from undred. Now, 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.120 would you like to talk? And we have the full 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.080 power of the federal government against you, it's pretty tough 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.560 not to try to find a way to get him 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.760 off your back. But it has nothing to do with 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.200 the truth, it has nothing to do with justice. Historians 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.040 someday will comment that this was one of the most 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.440 extraordinary efforts to undo the will of the American people 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:37.040 buy an established bureaucracy and its establishment friends that we've 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:42.120 seen in all of American history. Okay, so that was 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:46.080 Newt Gingrich. And we've also talked to Addie McCarthy just 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.320 in the last break, and again I urge you to 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.960 go read his column it's called Robert Mueller's Plan, because 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.760 I really, you know, I've got a lot of concerns 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.480 about this. And to his point, if Robert Mueller is 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.680 building a report, not a case, then what is the 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.680 point of the Mueller investigation to begin with? If there's 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.520 not criminal activity that he's already that he was looking 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.720 at from the inception of this investigation, what is the 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.720 point of his investigation? And it's also it's not just 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.920 new Gingridge, it's not just Annie McCarthy that have raised 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.720 questions and kind of rung the alarm on this. There's 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.120 also this column in USA Today not too long ago 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:23.040 by Michael Muccasey, who is a former Attorney General who 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.280 served under George W. Bush, who raised the point that 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.560 the Special Counsel investigation just should have never started from 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.680 the beginning, that there wasn't a justification for the investigation. 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.800 And now here we are. Taxpayers have been on the hook, 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.680 and what have we gotten from it? Where is the collusion? 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.640 Where is the crimes in relation to conspiracy that Annie 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.800 McCarthy was talking about earlier. Yet but yet here we are. 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.400 I want to talk to you about Express VPN. 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The Chinese Minister of Our Commerce said 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.520 on Tuesday at that the meeting in G twenty at 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.680 the G twenty summit was very successful and that the 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.200 two countries are over the next ninety day is going 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.600 to seek to try to formulate a more specifcific deal. 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.240 So where are we right now with China on trade 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.719 and also what happens in the next ninety days, in 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.680 your opinion, at least, I think we're kind of running 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.840 in two tracks at once right now. I think everyone 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.520 has come to the awareness that Donald Trump is a 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.240 different kind of president, and he's taking an unconventional approach 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.800 to negotiating with China, and this is a major issue 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.959 for his presidency but also for him personally. He's talked 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.880 about it for decades, trying to rebalance what he sees 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.040 as I think accurately the raw deal Americans have had 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.839 in doing business in China. And the second track is 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.839 managing the politics of the near term and going into 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:45.600 next year. Financial markets were getting skittish about FED moves potentially, 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:50.279 and the kind of dark horizon of a trade war 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.799 with China seemed to be rattling a few cages. I 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.880 don't think that Donald Trump is going to go wobbly 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.640 and negotiations with the Chinese, but we definitely have a 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.200 bit of back and forth in the history of US 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.279 China relations, and certainly, going back the better part of 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.400 thirty years of my working on China related issues, I've 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.120 never heard of anyone putting a ninety day horizon out 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.920 there with China and expecting real measurable results. So if 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.080 we get something in those ninety days, that's unprecedented. But 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.480 I think the president is pushing in the right direction 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.680 to try to give the Chinese goal posts, and then 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.719 if they fail to meet them, well, then he goes 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.040 back to hitting them with the hammer of the tariffs, 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.799 which he said he is famously the tariff president. So 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.480 do you think you'd mentioned his unconventional approach. I mean, 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.840 do you think it's working, the tariffs against China and 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.200 sort of this tougher approach. Is it working well? It 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.360 certainly worked. Up to the G twenty meeting. The Chinese 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.920 were feeling pressure. I think the leadership was feeling pressure 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:52.000 political and economic. There's a kind of an open question 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.520 among those of us who try to watch these things 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.440 really closely about whether the Chinese feel like they got 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.520 a ninety days breathing space or whether they kind of 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.160 had this personal heart to heart at the leader level. Now, 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.400 I am a deeply skeptical person when it comes to 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.200 having a heart to heart with the head of a 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.440 communist party of any country, And much as the Communist 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:17.600 Party of China have a heart and so I don't 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.279 really believe in personal chemistry and negotiating with China, But 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.400 the President believes in playing that in his negotiations. So 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.879 the combo of trying to build some rapport, pressing them 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.000 with tariffs and the threat of future of things coming 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.160 back probably is the right thing. But frankly, the Chinese 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:41.120 only understand power and pressure, and that's what they'll respond to. Friendliness. 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.040 He'll just eat up for lunch and come back and 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.480 say can I have another serving? And so I think 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.279 the President is going to have to be prepared to 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.680 be tough through twenty nineteen and onward. But if we 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.600 get net progress along the way, I'm happy with that. 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.640 Just don't backtrack. So you're thinking this is the long 0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:01.239 road ahead, then this is going to take a while. Absolutely, 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.799 that's my zoo. I mean, I'd love to be proven wrong. 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.360 I'd be happy to see the president get a breakthrough 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.080 and recalibrate the US China trade relationship. But we have been, 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.600 I think, on a fantasy for the last fifty years 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:18.439 about giving economic benefits to China and favorable dealings with China, 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.680 letting it get away with things we don't let any 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.800 other country get away with on the expectation they become 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.839 more modern, more like us, less of a problem. And 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.040 I think President Trump accurately read that a majority of 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.680 Americans don't buy that anymore. And guess what, the statistics 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.680 and the reality of doing business in the world doesn't 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.400 back it up anymore. And so we've got the theft 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:43.959 of intellectual property, imbalanced trade, and a lot of non 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.640 tariff barriers, which is a technical way of saying unfair 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.680 trade practice is beyond taxes that the Chinese have gotten 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.080 away with, and we this is just desperate need of 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.719 a rebalance. So I support the direction. I'm just not 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.880 optimistic it will be a near term harvest. And you 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.799 had mentioned the intellectual property theft that of course was 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.120 part of the justification of tariffs on China and this 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.000 tough stance that the Trump administration is taking. Of course, 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.200 they did a seven month investigation into China and found 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:14.000 a loss economically of about fifty billion dollars to Corporate 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.680 America and corporate earnings. Can you just break down for 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.320 the listeners just the impact of the intellectual property theft, 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.880 what China is up to, and why it's so important 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:28.480 to know about this and to call China out on it. Well, 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.800 first and foremost, I think the scale is much larger, 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.480 and so we're probably really looking in the ballpark of 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.479 like six hundred billion dollars worth of intellectual property being 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.799 stolen from American interests over recent years. And that's not 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:46.919 like going back thirty years, it's just going back into 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.799 recent years. And so what happens is companies try to 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.960 go into the ever large China market thinking they'll get 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:58.000 market share, increased sales, have an export platform, and the 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:02.799 Chinese will add on fe these forced technology transfer, have 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.440 their people trained up to basically spy on you and 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.719 copy what you do, and after a certain amount of time, 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.560 they become incredibly competitive under a national brand to do 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.520 exactly what you do, and the government there will favor 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.520 the national brands over foreigners, and sooner or later you 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:21.920 find yourself squeezed out of the market you thought was 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.160 enormous and key to your long term growth. So there's 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:28.080 been over the last twenty five to thirty years, there's 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.080 been a number of big companies and some small entrepreneurs 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.680 that have literally had their lunch eaten by the Chinese 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.239 this way, over and over and over. The first few 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.239 times people can say, oh, this is just working the 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.360 kinks out, and there's some winners and some losers. But 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.840 this is a long term pattern now where entire companies 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.440 get engulfed, major technologies get overtaken, and some of these 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.840 technologies are critical to our vital infrastructure, like five G 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:59.719 technology and cellular communications and lots of semiconductor parts in 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.440 everything that's in the technology that we live our lives, 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.640 relying upon for security, but also everyday commerce and just 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:11.120 getting around town. This is now a vital part of 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.680 our economy, and the Chinese have really taken a huge 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.320 stake in it, and now it's difficult to do something 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.040 to push back. So President Trump's got obviously a lot 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.920 of criticism regarding his approach on trade, a little bit 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.320 less on China, you know, more on you know, regarding 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:33.720 surrounding NAFTA in Mexico and Canada. But staying on trade, 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.440 do you think, I mean, what other approach does President 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.799 Trump have then to try to if he's trying to 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.560 extract concessions from China, if he's trying to get them 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.040 to lay off the intellectual property threft theft outside of tariffs, 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.280 you know, what other options are available to President Trump 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:51.319 and trying to kind of lay the hammer down on China. Well, 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.880 some of what he's done broadly on trade, while not 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.440 directly targeting China, I think has had an impact on 0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:00.560 negotiations with China and the reality to deal with them. 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:06.480 Number one, the successor agreement to NaSTA had Canada and 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:11.600 Mexico agree to conditions that Chinese can't go make a 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.520 favorable agreement with one or the other of them and 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.800 sneak their way in their goods or services into the 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:22.399 United States and bypass our own laws, in our own 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:28.080 restrictions for security or other conditions, and so eliminating a 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.480 NaSTA loophole that gave Chinese an unfair advantage by way 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:35.840 of NaSTA had an impact on their economic strategy. Also 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:40.400 recalibrating the trade relationship and our alliance structure with Europe. 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.040 At first, everyone said the sky is going to fall, 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.759 this is going to wreck the world. But what it 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.680 turned out was not only could these things be done 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.319 that people said were impossible, but an increasing number of 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:55.640 our alliances openly in many cases but even more so privately, 0:43:55.680 --> 0:44:00.440 are saying we two want a rebalancing of China's behavior 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:05.400 on security, on unfair trade practices. The feeling of intellectual 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.600 property affects a lot of interest around the world. So 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.920 there's a lot of quiet cheerleaders behind the administration's approach 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.040 to try to tackle these issues with China. And frankly, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.799 there's no precedent. No leader in the world, not just 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.080 the United States, has really tried to pressure the Chinese 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.760 to reverse this trend to date, and so any progress 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.359 Trump gets is the first in the world. How much 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.240 pressure is China feeling right now? I read a CNBC 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.120 article saying that China's growth could be slowed about point 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.239 six percent I think next year regarding are due to 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.040 the tariffs. You know, how much pressure economically is China 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:45.319 facing right now? Much more than statistics would let us know. 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.560 Number One, there's a longstanding issue of how accurate are 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:54.360 Chinese statistics, given that they are done by organizations controlled 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.960 by officers of the Communist Party of China. And the 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.960 other part of it is, for the United States, it's 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.960 an infinitesimal fraction of our GDP is tied to trade 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:09.440 with China, and for China it's getting up into the 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.480 single digits, which sounds small to a lot of people, 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.920 but that is like a hundred times more impactful on 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.360 their GDP their trade with US than our trade with 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.680 them is for the US GDP. So, in a very 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:26.840 real way, there's economic pressure that is disproportionately on China 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.680 that it is on the United States. Now, the industries 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.239 in the US that are affected farmers primarily, but not 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.839 limited to them, they have real pain, They had some uncertainty, 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.520 and I think the administration and Congress have tried to 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.960 address it. But we should be under no mistake, and 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.759 I hope the President's team is under no mistake. The 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.759 pressure is much more on China, and the time to 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.279 get your advantage is now. Will they're under pressure, don't 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.719 get them up for air and hope that they'll be 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.839 nice to you after this pressure has been put on them. 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.480 So let's talk about, you know, kind of same question 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.520 regarding at the United States. How much pressure is the 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:05.120 United States economy in effect with China and the retalitary 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.040 tariffs that they've put on us, And if this is 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.240 the long haul, how much damage or how much pain 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:14.200 are Americans going to feel? Well, certainly there are some 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.920 sectors that have put all their eggs in the China basket. 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.720 I think soybeans is one of those that comes to mind, 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:27.280 but hey, and some other commodities that affect agricultural state disproportionately, 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.160 there's going to be long term impact. Now. Part of 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.560 the Buenos Aires G twenty agreement was that the Chinese 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.839 are committed to increase purchases of those kinds of commodities, 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.640 and so we'll see whether that helps mitigate the longer 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:47.800 term uncertainty about this. But there's two kinds of pressure 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.000 that are going to come to play. One is economic 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.279 and the other is political. The political press pressure is 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.719 frankly a bit more mixed. The President's approach is more 0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.400 Main Street than Wall Street, and frankly, there are elements 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.279 of the new Democrat majority in the Congress that has 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.920 a history of being more sympathetic to the trade policy 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.719 of the president has been pushing than his own majority 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.400 in recent years has and so the politics of this 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:15.160 are definitely mixed. The Wall Street versus Main Street part 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.680 of this, I think is the most important part of 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.920 going into twenty twenty. And that Electoral College coalition that 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.080 Donald Trump wrote to victory in twenty sixteen, that is 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:27.400 a belt of manufacturing that wants to see a rejuvenation 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.160 of work here and sees China as an unfair player, 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:33.080 and so I think that that's going to remain solidly 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.520 behind him. So there's the economic pressure, and I think 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.319 Wall Street will keep and that's going to be hard 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.839 for the administration, but I think Main Street is going 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:44.799 to mostly be supportive of this direction continuing. So let's 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:46.520 talk about the politics a little bit. You know, you 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.640 obviously mentioned the incoming Democrat House. How much does that 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.960 impact is that dynamics also with the Republican led state 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:59.960 majority one and looking at the renegotiated NAFTA deal essentially 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:05.120 and then to potentially any sort of deal with China. Well, 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.600 I think that the Democrat majority is going to be 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:13.360 very skeptical of deals with China, and the Republican majority 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.560 probably balance would be inclined towards a more mainstream or 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:22.440 conventional approach to trade and dealing with China on balance, 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.279 But the combo of an administration engaged in these kind 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.600 of negotiations of their party and then needing to try 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:34.279 to meet common ground. I mean, trade legislation has to 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.960 come out of the House because usually it's dealing with taxes, revenue, tariffs, 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.560 things like that, And so there's going to have to 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:45.080 be piped bipartisan work to get something actually inked, But 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.600 I think the politics of it actually favor the President 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.239 and getting coalition in the House. If that happens, I 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:54.440 think the Senate would be hard pressed try to stand away. Although, 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.960 as you've witnessed as well as anyone, the Senate is 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.799 the body in which any one person can stand up 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.640 at grandstand frankly, at any moment and bring things to 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.040 a halt. And so that's just something we live with 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.239 on every issue going forward. Right, all right, Stephen, thank 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.200 you so much for joining us, and I really appreciate 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:18.279 your insight on this. Have a great one. Thanks. Would 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.320 you be willing to support some degree of wall funding 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.800 if you got a permanent bona fide solution on back No, 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.720 that would approve one point three at least a million 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:32.520 for the border fence, correct and not necessarily because that's 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.640 what it was last year. So if you just extend 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.640 that again, wouldn't that cause a problem. I mean, it 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:41.480 depends on how you spending money. It's border security as 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.920 about order security, but within that there was money for 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.600 the fence as well. Well, you're trying to better fence, 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:49.840 You're not trying to be a wall. Now, speaking for myself, 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:57.200 consider the wall immoral, ineffective, expensive, and President said he 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.680 promised it. He also promised Mexico would pay for it. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.839 So even if they did, Smarl still and then they're 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:08.320 not going to pay for us. Soon to be Speaker Pelosi, 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.200 which I really hate saying that. That is just really 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.200 depressing that she's going to be the incoming Speaker of 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.600 the House. Democrats obviously took control of the House, and 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.799 this is what President Trump is going to be met with. Well, 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:23.400 Democrats aren't going to support the wall. Nancy Pelosi doesn't 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.680 want to play ball. There are going to continue standing 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.759 in the way of President Trump and his efforts to 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.399 try to build a wall on the southern border. And look, 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.560 the only reason why he wants the walls, he wants 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.799 it to serve as a deterrent from illegal activity at 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:41.319 the southern border. And we're seeing right now why that 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:45.759 is needed. When we saw most recently a thousand migrants 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:50.080 in this caravan illegally trying to rush the southern border, 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.160 and of course they were met by customs and Border 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.279 patrol agents with tear gas because they were trying to 0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:00.239 illegally cross into the United States and break the law. 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.760 And the problem is we're going to continue to see 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:06.480 these caravans of migrants coming and trying to exploit or 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.520 laws if we don't change things. If one we don't 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.280 increase border security, in two, if we don't change laws 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:17.759 in relation to immigration, particularly looking at things like asylum laws. Look, 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.680 the reality is that these Central Americans coming over to 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.960 seek asylum in the United States, eighty nine percent are 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.759 going to pass that initial tests. Only nine percent are 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.160 actually going to be granted asylum in immigration court. Think 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:34.279 about those numbers. Almost ninety percent will pass the first test. 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.640 That's how easy that initial interview is, that initial threshold, 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.160 that initial bar to that they're trying to pass is 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.960 and only nine percent will actually be granted an immigration court. 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.200 That is troubling. If that doesn't tell you that our 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.239 laws need to be changed, I don't know what does. 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:50.719 And also another thing that really irks me is the 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:53.640 hypocrisy of the left when it comes to President Trump's 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.759 calls for a border role. If you remember back in 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:59.399 two thousand and six, Democrats like Diane find Stein Ron 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:03.880 why even Obama, Biden, and Clinton all voted in favor 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.000 of a border fence in two thousand and six. Yet 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.840 those same people, You've got Hillary Clinton basically, you know, 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.160 she made fun of President Drop in his desire for 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:15.480 a wall. You had Democrats at the time saying, like 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:21.120 Senator Diane Feinstein saying that they are solidly behind border security. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.319 Well where are they now? But you know what, I'm 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.040 going to talk to Center for Immigration Studies are Arthur 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.160 about all of this asylum, what is happening at the 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.400 southern border with this caravan. He's going to break it 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.680 all down for us. He's Center for Immigration Studies. We're 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:36.400 going to talk to him about the asylum. We're going 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.080 to talk to him him about the wall, and we're 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:40.800 also going to talk to him about this other really 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.560 interesting story that's going on right now, this Honduras woman 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.920 who crossed over into the southern border, jump the wall 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.000 to have a baby in the United States. We're also 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.600 going to talk to him about birthright citizenship and if 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:53.400 it needs to end, you're gonna want to stay tuned. 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.240 I'm not kidding you. It's going to be a great interview. 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.760 Welcome back to the Buck Sexton's Show. Lisa Booth filling 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.000 in for him. We've got Art Arthur of Center for 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.919 Immigration Studies. He is a resident fellow for both law 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.560 and policy. We're going to talk to him about what 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.279 the latest with the caravan and what's going on at 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.080 the southern border. Art, how are you, I'll do great. 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:14.799 How are you doing today? I'm doing well, all right, 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:16.759 So I wanted to get your take. So there's some 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:21.040 headlines today regarding adoran woman who scaled the border wall 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.040 to have a child in the United States. So it's 0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.640 sort of ignited this debate which we've already seen, really 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:30.120 regarding birthrights citizenship. President Trump talked about it during the campaign. 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.759 He sort of recently talked about it as well. So 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.080 you know, what does this tell us about the problems 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.839 with birthrights citizenship From your vantage point, well, birthrights citizenship 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.880 at least has become a magnet that draws individuals to 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.480 the United States in order to give birth. And you 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.280 look at this specific example and quite frankly, it points 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.200 out everything that's wrong with it. One, the woman had 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.520 an incentive the United States. I think that she referred 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.759 to it as your big reward for making it to 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.120 the United States is giving birth to a child in 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.520 this country too. She was eight months pregnant at the 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:09.320 time that she actually gave birth, she took a perilous 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:14.760 journey to the United States and again entered illegally, putting 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.040 not only her life but the life of her unborn 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:22.920 child in danger. So the fact is that, you know, 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.200 this is a prime example of everything that is wrong 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.240 with birthright citizenship. It encourages people to enter the United 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.799 States illegally, to undertake the arduous journey to come to 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:35.360 this country, and then it gives people an incentive to 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:39.160 enter the United States have United States children equities that 0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.279 will make it probably next to impossible to remove her 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.000 from the United States at the end of the day. 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:47.360 So when President Trump was talking about ending birthright citizenship, 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.040 he got a lot of flaks. Some were saying that 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.120 it's going to take a constitutional amendment. Where are you 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.279 on that debate, and what legally would it take to 0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:01.480 end birthright citizenship. Well, the leading case on this issue 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.319 is a case called Wang kim Arc, which is more 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:08.400 than one hundred and I think twenty years old, interpreting 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.279 the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and Wan kim Ark 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:15.560 involved an individual whose parents were actually permanent residents of 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.160 the United States and Wan kim Arc was born in 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.640 this country, and his argument was that he was a 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:26.080 citizen under the fourteenth Amendment. And so even if you 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.800 accepted face value, you know, Wan kim mark the idea 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:34.759 that a child born of permanent residents is automatically a 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:38.040 citizen of the United States. There's still the question of 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:43.000 whether or not individuals who are not who were born 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:49.359 to individuals who were here illegally, not under the jurisdiction 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.799 of the United States and fourteenth Amendment, would be citizens. 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:54.960 Quite frankly, I think that there is an argument to 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.320 be made. In addition, there was a very strong descent 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:00.520 in wan kim Arc that said that the case was 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:05.400 decided wrongly. Was decided very much according to British common 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:11.280 law and the idea of sovereignty and allegiance, many ideas 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.440 that were rejected at the founding of this republic. So one, 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:18.560 I don't believe that won key mark is quite as 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.200 broad as people say it is. And two I think 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.000 it was wrongly decided. But the fact is that there 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:26.440 hasn't been a case that's challenged it in the intervening 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.600 more than a century. I believe it was Senator Lindsay 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.400 Graham who said that he was going to introduce legislation 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:37.960 to end birthright citizenship. Do you know where Congress is 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:39.600 on this issue right now, and do you know what 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:43.319 the latest is with what Senator Lindsay Graham said. I 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:45.680 do not. I have not seen a bill that would 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.120 actually end birthright citizenship. I think the Wall Act, which 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:52.719 was introduced by a variety of senators, actually does have 0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:56.400 some legislation that does that, and Senator Graham maybe one 0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:00.319 of the maybe one of the senators that's involved in 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.800 that Act. But again, I believe that this is something 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.640 that could be done by congressional enactment. It's going to 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.319 have to go to the Supreme Court. But I think 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:12.000 that this particular Supreme Court would probably look at, you know, 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.720 that case on the principles on which it was based, 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:18.960 and would you know, in accordance with h you know, 0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:21.320 the founding documents of this country, and I think that 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:22.880 we have a lot of original is sitting on the 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:27.240 court right now, would probably disagree with the decision in 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.120 Wan Kim Mark. And I think that it would that 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:33.640 if the Congress were to pass legislation that would change 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.760 birthright citizenship, that it would probably survive Congressional Review. The 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:39.560 only problem is that the clock is running out. I 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:43.360 really don't expect Speaker Pelosi to be introducing any legislation 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.640 to that effect um in one hundred and sixteenth Congress. 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.440 So quite frankly, the door is closing quickly for a 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:53.920 change to be made. So the woman from Honduras, who 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.120 you know, scale the fense to to have the baby, 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.040 she said that her and her family are looking for 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:01.680 family reunification and clumb this Ohio. They've got some family there. 0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:04.400 But that doesn't kind of speak to the and they're 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.720 seeking asylum just for the listeners at home, does this 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.640 kind of speak to what's wrong with our asylum system 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.120 right now? In the sense that you know, all the 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:14.200 most of the media, mainstream media, they say, look, these 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.920 people are coming over. You know, they're fleeing the conditions 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:20.880 in Central America. But isn't there also this other large 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.760 component about it, where it's it's family reunification that they're 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:28.760 seeking here in the United States, and it's also economic opportunities. Absolutely, 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:32.240 And it's important to note that, you know, the fact 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:34.360 is we have a higher standard of living than almost 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.840 every country in the world. The vast majority of individuals 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.240 I believe is given the opportunity to live in the 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:45.360 United States. In fact, would plus because we've had temporary 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:49.240 protected status, perhaps one of the biggest misnomers in immigration law, 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:54.120 from Honduras and from El Salvador for more than fifteen years. 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.120 We have a large population of people from those countries 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:59.919 living in the United States. And that's a drawing fact 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.840 for individuals who are from those countries. They want to 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.400 reunify with their family members, they want to have better 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.760 schools for their kids, they want to have better hospitals 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:09.880 for themselves and their children, they want to have more 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:14.040 economic opportunities. Again, that's perfectly understandable. The problem is it's 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:18.320 just not legal. The credible fear standard, which is the 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:22.760 screening standard that's used by customs and Border Protection are 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:26.200 used by US citizenship and immigration services at the border 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:29.160 for people who enter illegally is very low. It's deliberately low, 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:34.240 and for the better part of nine years, only about 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.840 five thousand people claimed credible fear and guide into the 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:38.800 United States. But work out around that, if you did 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.960 claim credible fear that you had about an eighty to 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:46.160 ninety percent chance of being allowed into the United States. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:50.000 And then being released. In fact, that's what happened to Missernandez, 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.560 the mother of the child. She and her family were 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:57.840 released on Sunday. And let me just give you a 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:02.760 fact that puts this into relief. If you were detained, 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:05.360 your case will be finished in about forty days. If 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:07.800 you're not detained, your case will take an average of 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:12.840 eight years. So probably Misser Nandez and her husband and 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.720 her now two children and however many more children she 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:18.320 will have, will probably be in the United States indefinitely 1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:21.720 if she ever leaves. So what percentage of those individuals, 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.120 you know, looking more at the eight year mark, do 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:28.160 they end up showing up an immigration court or where 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:31.720 do they go? The vast majority of the asylum claims 1:00:31.760 --> 1:00:36.560 get denied. A significant number of them failed to file 1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:40.120 asylum applications at all, and then a larger percentage of 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.400 them either fail to show up for court or failed 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:47.120 to appear for their asylum hearing. So only about fifty 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.880 three percent of them ever file an asylum application, and 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:55.200 the denial rate for those cases is higher than seventy 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:58.000 percent at the end of the day. So I mean, 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:01.080 do you get the sense then, obviously based on you know, 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:03.800 some of the things you just said, that these people 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:06.280 that are coming here from Central America that they have 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:11.720 an understanding of how to game the system absolutely, and again, 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.360 you know, this seems to be a fact that is 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:16.720 lost on the press. They know that if they come 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:19.360 with children, that they're going to get released after twenty 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:22.520 days under the Flores Settlement Agreement. They know that if 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.840 they claim credible fear, the odds are they're going to 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.120 be allowed into the United States even if they don't 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:32.600 have an asylum claim. They know that if they're children, 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.560 if they show up, that they're going to be released 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.840 over to HHS with them two days. So these are 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.080 all things that we want to dissuade people from doing. 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.920 About ten percent of all women who make the perilous 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.760 journey from Central America to Mexico or sexually assaulted. About 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:52.760 two thirds of all of the individuals who make that 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:55.400 journey are assaulted in one way or another, and that's 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.400 according to Doctors Without Borders. That's not a statistic from 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:03.080 the United States government. So, you know, it's an amazingly 1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:06.400 perilous journey that we want to encourage people not to undertake. Plus, 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.560 you know, we want to have respect for our own laws. 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:13.000 But the fact is that when people in Honduras, Guatemala 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:16.640 and I'll Salvador see people like Misernadas get into the 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:20.080 United States, give birth and get released, it just encourages 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:23.000 more people to come. So can I because the approach 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.280 of the mainstream media is a fact that you know, 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:29.720 they're concerned about the humanitarian aspect of what's going on 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:33.640 in Central America, and you know, these individuals, these migrants, 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:35.400 and you know some illegal immigrants that are trying to 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.440 cross the border illegally coming over to the United States. 1:02:38.480 --> 1:02:41.520 Why then do we never hear about the aspect that 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:45.000 you just mentioned, about the dangerous journey and what happens 1:02:45.120 --> 1:02:47.880 along the way. Why is that never discussed? And if 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:51.800 the media is so concerned about the humanitarian conditions, why 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.840 don't they talk about that? Well, you know, it's it's 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:58.480 funny because under President Obama, when he was faced with 1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:01.880 a similar situation in two thou fourteen, both NPR and 1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:06.400 National Geographic if you can imagine, spoke about the dangers, 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.840 and I've written about the articles that they wrote. Then 1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:12.200 in fact, they talked about a specific pharmacy in all 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:15.720 tars to Nora, where women would go to get birth 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:17.960 control because of the high likelihood that they would be 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:22.240 raped on the journey to the United States. And yet 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:25.160 for some reason, that part of the story gets lost. 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:27.880 Now all we see is the crying little girl next 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:30.480 to the border patrol agent and the pink sweater. Now 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:33.280 all we see is the mother dragging the two children, 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:36.200 one without shoes, one wearing a diaper, away from the 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:39.480 tear gas canister. And I think that a lot of 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:40.840 that has to do with the way that the media 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:44.000 feels about the president. Any stick is a good stick 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:47.120 to beat Donald Trump with. I think they believe and 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:53.560 they figure that hard tugging pictures of small children, babies 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:57.080 born in the United States are effective tools to use 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:59.760 against Donald Trump. And that's why I think we see 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:02.040 this and why we don't hear about how lawful that 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:05.840 journey is. ICE has attempted to put out statistics about this, 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.000 but by and large, nobody ever writes about them. And 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:12.600 the governments of those three countries encouraged their nationals not 1:04:12.640 --> 1:04:14.720 to leave, but they leave anyway. Well, So one thing 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:18.360 I found interesting about the imagery that you're talking about. 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:20.520 When there was you know, I think about a thousand, 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.920 this might be two weekends ago, now where you know, 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:28.560 you had the almost a thousand immigrants trying to rush 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:30.520 the southern border, and that was the image that you 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:33.680 talked about in The Washington Post reported about why everyone 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:35.560 was so focused on that picture, and they did it 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:38.680 because they thought it contradicted the narrative it came from 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:40.800 the White House. But one thing that I found interesting 1:04:40.840 --> 1:04:43.160 about it is that the children didn't have shoes in 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:46.200 the photo. But it's my understanding that at these shelters 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:49.280 in Mexico where they came from, that they do have 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:53.080 shoes and clothing available. Is that correct? That's correct, And 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.800 the fact is that you know, this was a family 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:59.000 that had made the journey. I believe they were from Honduras, 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:03.440 and I believe again there was father in Louisiana for 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:09.840 the two children. So and they were attempting to breach 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:14.720 a rusty border fence that had accordion wire on the 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.960 other side. I really am not one hundred percent sure 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:20.880 what that woman was thinking about putting children into that situation. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:24.000 I'm a parent, I had children that I had a 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:26.600 child at age once upon a time, and if I 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:30.480 were to attempt to rush toward police officers with Ryan 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.920 gear on and a rusty fence and accordion wire. I'd 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.800 probably be arrested for child endangerment. I certainly wouldn't end 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:41.000 up with my picture splashed all over the Washington Post. 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:44.040 Well and also not yeah, not to mention the fact 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:46.680 what they were doing was illegal in trying to cross 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:48.920 the border illegally. But I'm glad that you had mentioned 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:50.720 that because I do think that the way the media 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:54.160 paints this just sort of tells everyone everything they need 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:57.160 to know about where the mainstream is coming. Mainstream media 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:58.720 is coming from it just in their buys about the 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.400 Trump administration and immigration at large. But or we've got 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:03.320 to get going. But thank you so much for joining 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:05.640 us tonight. I really appreciate your insight on this very 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:10.240 hopeful Thank you for have a great night. Or you've 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:12.640 got Lisa Booth filling in for Buck sex Sin tonight 1:06:12.680 --> 1:06:15.320 you're listening to the Buck Sexton Show. Thanks so much 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:17.479 for staying with us. So I want to play this 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:22.400 clip for you about President Trump talking about Elizabeth Warren 1:06:22.440 --> 1:06:23.959 and then we're gonna talk about it. Take a listen. 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:29.360 They're gonna cover polka hotas. Who is thank of it? 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:36.280 Thank of it? She of the great tribal heritage. What 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:40.440 tribe is it? Let me think about that. One meantimes 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:45.200 she's based her life on being a minority polka hotas. 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:48.440 They always want me to apologize for saying it, and 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:52.040 I hereby, Oh no, I want to apologize. I'll use 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:57.200 tonight polka hots. I apologize to you. I apologize to you. 1:06:57.280 --> 1:07:01.520 I apologize to the fake polka hunt this. I won't 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:06.520 a vote. Now it's causing her problems. You know that 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:09.160 name is called because now even the liberals are saying, 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:13.080 take a test, take a test. You know the I 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.600 tell you, I shouldn't tell you because I like not 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:18.160 to give away secrets. But this one, let's say I'm 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:21.800 debating pocahunt this right, I promise you all do this. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:24.360 I will take you know those little kids, they saw 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:29.200 them television for two dollars, learn your heritage. Guy says 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:31.160 I was born in Scotland. It turns out he was 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:34.920 born in Puerto Rico. And that's okay, it's good. You know. 1:07:35.840 --> 1:07:38.080 Guy says I was born in Germany. Well he wasn't 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.400 born in Germany. He was born someplace. So I'm gonna 1:07:40.400 --> 1:07:43.040 get one of those little kids and in the middle 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:47.400 of the debate when she proclaims that she's of Indian 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:51.000 heritage because her mother said she has high cheek boats 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:56.040 that's her only evidence that her mother said she had 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:59.440 high cheek book. We will take that little kid and say, 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:03.120 but we have to do it gently, because when the 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:08.240 meat two generations, you have to be very gentle. And 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:11.600 we will very gently take that kid and we will 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:15.600 slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:19.559 her arm, even though it only ways probably two ounces, 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:23.639 and we will say, I will give you a million 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:27.559 dollars to your favorite charity, paid for it by chump 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:30.639 if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian. 1:08:30.840 --> 1:08:35.120 You know, I mean, come on, that's hilarious. I don't 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:36.960 care if you like President Trump or not, but you 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:40.160 can't not laugh at that. It's pretty funny. Well, turns 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.040 out to remember that response in President Trump making fun 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:46.720 of Elizabeth Warren calling her pokehonas prompted her not too 1:08:46.760 --> 1:08:49.200 long ago to take a DNA test. You know, this 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:52.240 was her moment to prove to everyone that she hasn't 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.519 been lying of her about her heritage. She hasn't been 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:57.799 taking advantage of structural or structural advantages in her career 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:01.280 as a result. But turned out whole release ended up 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:04.280 being a massive joke, and what we found out was 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:07.720 that Elizabeth Warren is actually probably less Native American than 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.639 the average US white person. So she did this whole 1:09:10.720 --> 1:09:13.800 rollout is a five minute video. You know, she really 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:16.200 thought that this was just going to clear her name, 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.759 and instead it ended up hurting her. And so today 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:21.880 word around the street from New York Times is that 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:25.639 Elizabeth Warren. They have the article titled Elizabeth Warren stands 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:28.439 by a DNA test, but around her worries about and 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:31.440 so essentially word on the street is these Democrat operatives 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:34.360 are really worried that Elizabeth Warren potentially had ended her 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:38.160 own career be our presidential ambitions before they even got started. 1:09:38.200 --> 1:09:40.840 You know what I even remembered when this happened. My 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:44.599 first thought was she's done because she just embarrassed herself 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:48.840 so bad by doing this rollout and actually inevitably ended 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:51.120 up hurting her more than helping her own case. And 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:53.880 it's also kind of hilarious what President Trump is able 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:57.280 to push Democrats into doing end up stepping in their 1:09:57.320 --> 1:10:00.680 own way, hurting themselves and potentially limited herself from the 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.519 twenty twenty field. So I found that interesting. I wanted 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:06.880 to share it with you. Welcome back to the Buck 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:09.519 Sexton Show. Lisa Booth in for him. We've got Jesse 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:12.200 Kelly on the line, and he is the host of 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:18.920 ninety ninety point fifty KPRC radio station. Jesse, So, you 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:23.799 recently made some headlines inadvertently and not intentionally when Twitter 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:26.760 banned you. Did you ever find out why Twitter banned you? 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:34.480 You know, the headlines or headlines be getting quote permanently 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:38.080 banned from Twitter. And now my name was training nationwide 1:10:38.320 --> 1:10:41.880 no matter what, I'll take it now, I don't, I don't, 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:43.680 I don't, I don't know. I don't care. I mean, 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:45.920 I really do not care. I didn't care that much 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:49.439 to begin with. It's social media to run by leftists, 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:51.080 and it's just something we all have to watch out 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:53.280 for on the right. Right, all right, Well, let's get into, 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:55.000 you know, some more stuffs into this stuff. So I 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.599 really enjoyed your column in The Federalists, and it's why 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:03.080 the right should start taking Alexandria Cossio Kurtz seriously. And 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.240 I find it interesting because I am one of those people. 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:06.880 I mean, you hear are some of the things she says. 1:11:06.960 --> 1:11:08.400 You see some of the things she tweeted out. I 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:12.280 mean she honestly thought that she signed law or legislation 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:15.559 into law, which is obviously not the job of Congress. 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.639 So it's really easy to kind of see these things. 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:19.800 Here's some of the things she says and just automatically 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:24.439 dismiss her. But you say we should not, why because 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:27.479 it actually makes her more endearing Because elections are not 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.519 about It's not about you, Lisa, it's not about me. 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:33.760 It's not about the political pundits who who pay attention, 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:36.120 or even people who maybe don't have a platform, but 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.880 people who pay attention. Those people know how they're going 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:42.360 to vote. I guarantee you the next guy, we know 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:45.080 how we're voting in the next election. Elections are about 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:48.439 the common man. They always have been. The guy who votes, 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.120 but he kind of pays attention, he kind of doesn't. 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:53.920 And in this day and age, in the social media age, 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:57.760 it's all about charm and appeal and it's a big 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:01.160 reason why Trump is president. And yeah, makes the idiotic 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:04.200 guests and I'm not defending them. Obviously, the things she says, or, 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.920 don't I get that. But what the right does is 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:09.120 we pile on Or and pile on Or and pile 1:12:09.160 --> 1:12:11.680 on Or. We attack her as an idiot, and what 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:13.599 we do is we make her a martyr to her 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:17.240 supporters and also the common man thinks, well, I didn't 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:20.240 know that either, Bob. I guarantee many people say, oh, 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:22.080 I thought they did sign it into law. Well, where 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:23.599 I ever't want to make in front of her, stop 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:28.120 being such a chair. Plus, I mean, she's pretty. That matters. 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:31.439 She's she's charismatic, she's good with the camera. She has 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:33.840 more appeal than people think. How do you think her 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:38.200 policies play in the public. Obviously she's talking about you know, 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:41.679 single player healthcare systems, these things with huge price tags. 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:43.519 But do you think that matters to the average voter. 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:47.040 I think some it does, some it doesn't. But I 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:49.680 don't think socialism, especially if you look at like the 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:54.160 Bernie Sanders versus Donald Trump hypothetical numbers from twenty sixteen, 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:58.800 Sanders crush Trump by double digits, and almost all of them. Yes, 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.240 things are going okay now, but I don't think socialism 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:05.479 as a whole. Is that unappealing to the American public 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:09.080 not nearly unappealing as it should be. Socialism is That's 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:12.400 why I wrote the article Socialism is frightening. It's killed 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:16.960 more people than Nazism or racism, Radiism's combined. It's a 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:19.840 frightening thing in America is not as far from it 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:22.720 as those of us on the right would like to believe. Well, 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:25.720 and so what's the best way for conservatives to fight that? 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:27.720 I mean, you look at some of these polling and 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.280 you know the way younger Americans view socialism, and it's 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:33.160 pretty terrifying. So you know what's the best way then 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:35.760 for Republicans to push back on that? For conservatives to 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:40.960 push back. That's not necessarily going after younger Americans. Younger 1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:44.520 Americans as far as voters don't, they don't matter. Everybody 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:48.360 talks about younger people are always socialists, they're always democrats. 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:51.000 It's that old Winston Churchill line. If you're under thirty 1:13:51.000 --> 1:13:52.720 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:54.840 over thirty and not a conservative, you have no brain. 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:58.000 They'll come around as soon as they start bringing paychecks in. 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:01.799 But when it comes to a candidate like Cortez, attack 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:05.400 the ideas, that's fine. Break down the mask. That's fine, 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:09.960 but constantly braging her with this your a moron, She's 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:12.760 an idiot, she's so stupid. What that does is it 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:17.240 personalizes it for people who maybe lukewarm supporters of hers. Well, 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:18.920 wait a minute, I kind of liked her, and now 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.240 you're calling her an idiot. Now you're kind of calling 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:23.360 me an idiot. It's the same thing the left has 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:26.120 done with Trump. All of the criticisms of Trump are 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:30.040 so personal. Trump's supporters take them personally, they take them 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:33.160 on themselves, and so it's made him even more powerful. 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:35.479 That's a good point. I mean, do you think that 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:39.440 conservatives do a good enough job in sort of articulating 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:43.799 why her policy suck? No, But then again, it's harder 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:46.320 to do that in this social media world. I mean 1:14:46.360 --> 1:14:49.880 it is a Twitter world, Facebook, Instagram, and people don't 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:52.679 like to accept that. But those things are extremely powerful now, 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:55.919 and so it's snarky, it's one hundred and forty characters, 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:58.320 it's get it in and get it out, and it 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:01.080 very rarely do you have some was a tension span 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.280 long enough to break down why it stinks? And that's 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:06.519 something we do need to get better at home. Well, 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:09.040 and so you mentioned in your column you've spoken about 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:12.439 this as well of that. You know, relatability is so important. Now. 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:14.560 We saw that be an issue with Hillary Clinton. I 1:15:14.600 --> 1:15:18.280 remember even David axel Rod was pointing out the fact that, 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:20.519 you know, she people couldn't relate to her, the fact 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:22.280 that everything came out of her mouth through a political 1:15:22.760 --> 1:15:24.479 lens that you know, it was part of the reason 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:26.839 that hurt her. So, you know, taking that into account 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:28.840 and a looking ahead at twenty twenty, what do you 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:30.880 see from the left in terms of what the Democrat 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:33.759 primary field's going to look like? It's gonna be beato. 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:39.120 I would I said he was running against I told everybody, 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.479 I said, he's not even running for senate here in Texas. 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:44.240 He's running for president. He always has been running for president. 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.880 You don't take those hard left positions in Texas that 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:50.719 expect to win. But he did set himself up nationally. 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:53.759 He has charisma, he has a national name idea now 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:56.479 and I'm tony he's going to boat race the entire 1:15:56.520 --> 1:16:01.240 Democratic field. Besides maybe Harry. I mean, you think he's 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:03.720 just gonna you know what was he on the skateboard 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:09.200 across the presidential debate stage. And that's my point, Les, 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:11.439 Like you saw that, and I saw that, and I 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:14.120 rugged my eyes about rolled into the back of land. 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.559 Now what is this idiocy? But we have to remember 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.720 we did that a lot to Barack Obama when he 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:21.280 was running, too, and the things he would do in 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:23.439 the way people fell in love with it. People loved 1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:27.040 that stupid skateboard thing. They love the little dumb things 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.960 Beto does. So we can't dismiss it because we think 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:33.200 it's stupid. The left loves him and the guy hands 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.640 it's whatever it is, and it doesn't pay to deny it. 1:16:36.720 --> 1:16:39.120 Trump had it and the left denied it. Obama had it, 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:41.599 the right denied it. There's always a guy, there's always 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:44.120 a superstar out there. We like to roll our eyes 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:47.360 at and call an idiot or call all these other things. 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:49.920 But I'm telling you the guy has something. And I 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:52.200 think Trump still beats him, but you watch him come 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:54.559 back and win in twenty twenty four. But see, you 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:56.799 think he can make his way through a crowded primary 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:58.599 hill dank. So I think you know what we're looking 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:01.240 at right now is nix eatingly. I mean, there's been 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:04.760 a couple contenders in recent days saying that you know 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:06.679 they're not going to run, but right now it looks 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:08.800 like it's still going to be a pretty big primary field. 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:10.760 I mean, so you think he's able to break through 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:13.720 the with the Kamal Harris's and the Corey Bookers of 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:17.120 the world, Well, Booker, There's no way Booker is going 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:19.120 to do it. He just doesn't have what it takes. 1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:21.640 Harris would be the only one I would say that 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:25.439 would compete with Beto because she has the looks, she's 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:29.120 really good, she speaks really well. Obviously former district attorney, 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:31.280 so she knows what she's talking about him. I don't 1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:33.679 agree with any of her policies, but I think Beto 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:35.519 crushes them all. I mean, yes, it will be a 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:38.240 crowded field, but you see who there rolling out. It's 1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:40.880 a crowded field of a bunch of old, boring white people. 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.800 Those are not people who are going to energize the 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:47.000 Democratic base. It's just not well. Jesse, thanks so much 1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:49.479 for joining us. 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And 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:31.000 essentially what Greg is saying it runs contradictory to what 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.920 a lot of the mainstream media is saying about the 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:38.320 Flynn's Michael Flynn's cooperation with Muller, that it actually is 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:40.840 good for President Trump, because a lot of people are 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:43.040 saying that, you know, Trump has done this is really 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:45.120 bad for the president. So why don't you take a 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:49.320 listen to the interview? What do you make of this 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:54.400 latest series of events this week? Is it? Let's start 1:19:54.439 --> 1:19:58.400 with the Flynn no jail time but substantial cooperation. What 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:01.599 do you see in those documents? What's it all telling you? Well, 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:05.799 the word cooperation is one of those wonderfully fungible terms. 1:20:06.800 --> 1:20:10.840 Cooperation can simply mean he agreed to talk to us 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:14.120 immediately and try to be as forthcoming as he possibly could. 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:18.559 It doesn't mean that he actually was able to provide 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:23.760 anything that is incriminating whatsoever towards Donald Trump in this 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:31.520 so called collusion investigation. Collusions also, you know this amorphous 1:20:31.600 --> 1:20:34.600 crime that doesn't really exist in the criminal codes. Is 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:39.559 it some sort of conspiracy coordination with Russians. Well, this 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:44.160 memo reveals none of that, and in fact just the opposite. 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:49.160 The memo itself makes no mention of collusion. The addendum, 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:56.280 which is roughly five pages long, is heavily redacted, but 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.559 you can tell from how it's laid out and set 1:20:59.640 --> 1:21:06.639 up two things that Flynn offered assistance on two subjects. First, 1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:11.559 he contributed something that's unidentified in a criminal case not 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:14.760 handled by the Special Council, So that tells us it's 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:20.360 not directly collusion related because it's handled not by Muller. Second, 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:24.720 Flynn seems to have answered questions about the Trump transition 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:32.040 teams conversations with foreign governments, including Russia. But that can't 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:36.040 be collusion either to win the election, because the election 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:39.080 was already over. So it's a bit of a mystery 1:21:39.400 --> 1:21:42.680 as to what is contained in the redactions. But I 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:45.720 think it's evident to me and others that there's not 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:50.400 much evidence of collusion being provided by Flynn and what 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.160 do you take from the lack of any I mean, 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:56.120 we've had a few people already go down for the 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:59.800 process crimes of lying during the course of an investigation 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:04.679 about no actual criminal conduct, right, Papadopoulos, Alexander Zuan. There's 1:22:04.720 --> 1:22:07.639 been a few of them. Papadappolis got two weeks. Flynn 1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:10.800 looks like it's gonna get nothing. Do you do you 1:22:10.880 --> 1:22:14.880 gauge that more as a function of Mueller thinking that 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:18.280 the cooperation was just so exceptional, or is that also 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:21.920 Mueller maybe not wanting to kick the hornet's nest even more? 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:25.759 Because I think people realized that the FBI did Flynn 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.439 dirty on this one. I mean, this was this was 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:30.760 a setup. I mean, there was a classify the week 1:22:31.280 --> 1:22:34.240 and then the claim of the Logan Act to get 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.360 this whole thing going. I mean, this is as as 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:39.360 much a coordinated political hit as anything I can think of. 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:44.400 Flynn should never have been prosecuted by Robert Muller and 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:50.240 his assembled team of partisans. Why Because the FBI agents 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:54.360 who interviewed Flynn concluded that he was telling the truth. 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:58.759 That was confirmed by both James Comey and his debuty 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:04.360 Andrew McCabe when they were interviewed by congressional investigators. The 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:07.240 truth is, had Robert Muller been forced to prove his 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:10.479 case against Flynn and Chord, he would have lost. He 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:14.559 probably would have lost the case against Popadopoulis as well. 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.720 Why because the law requires that a false statement be 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:26.320 made willfully and knowingly. That's a very difficult thing to prove. 1:23:26.800 --> 1:23:31.360 If somebody's recollection of a conversation happens to be different 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:35.519 than a transcript of the conversation, or different than how 1:23:35.560 --> 1:23:39.479 the FBI or Muller interprets it, that's not a crime. 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:46.439 But you know, Muller applied enormous pressure on Flynn to 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:51.000 admit to lying, when in fact Flynn never lied, and 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:55.200 in fact, Flynn became broke trying to pay his legal fees. 1:23:55.760 --> 1:24:00.680 And what was really unconscionable is that Muller threatened to prosecute, 1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:06.040 based on no evidence, Flynn's own son. So Flynn finally 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:10.840 surrendered under the intense emotional strain in monetary pressures, which 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:14.960 is really a shame. It's wrong, it's unconscionable for Mueller 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:21.439 to behave that way. Now, the Cohen PLA also got 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:23.880 some attention this week. What what what can you tell 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:27.000 us about how you how you read that and what 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:32.640 comes next? Well, Michael Cohen is a prodigious liar and 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:39.479 a tax cheat, and he played guilty because he wants 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:44.800 leniency in his sentencing treatment. You know, this is the 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:48.839 trouble when the government, Robert Mueller in this case, decides 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.959 to get in bed with a known liar and criminal. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:58.439 For all we know, Michael Cohen is lying about his lies. 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:03.360 So we I mean he is not a credible witness. 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:07.759 And in fact, because Muller is going ahead with sentencing, 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:10.599 it means he will never call Cohen as a witness 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:14.400 in anything. So you know, Cohen, in my judgment, is 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:19.800 also a total zero when it comes to collusion. You know, 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:25.599 he can talk about payments which are perfectly legal under 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:30.280 the Federal Campaign Election Act, to women who said they 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:35.040 had affairs with Donald Trump, not a crime. What do 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:37.400 you think about And by the way, everyone, we're speaking 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:40.679 to Greg Jarrett, author of the Russia hoax, the illicit 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:46.200 schemes to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump. Judge Napolitano, 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:49.839 your colleague, overt Fox said earlier today, quote, I expect 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:53.800 Donald Trump Junior to be indicted. Do you agree with 1:25:53.840 --> 1:26:03.200 that assessment. Disagree. Well, given Mueller's behavior of criminalizing conduct 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:09.559 that is not remotely criminal, that's altogether a possibility. You know, again, 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:13.120 Flenn's a perfect example. He didn't lie, he didn't commit 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:18.880 a crime, but Mueller prosecuted him. Nevertheless, So as I 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:21.040 you know, I spent an entire chapter in my book 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:25.840 The Russia Hoax explaining how the Trump Tower meeting violates 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:28.719 no law. You know, it's not a crime to talk 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:32.439 to a Russian lawyer or any Russian for that matter. 1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:37.479 Take a look at the Federal Election Commission website. Foreign 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:42.000 nationals may participate in American campaigns as long as they 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:46.559 don't receive money or donate money. So to have a 1:26:46.600 --> 1:26:49.680 conversation with a Russian lawyer who purportedly is going to 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:55.120 give you information about Hillary Clinton, you know, that's that's 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:58.559 just not a crime. So we'll wait and see what 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:01.840 Muller does. But know he is the kind of unprincipled, 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:09.480 unscrupulous character, Mueller who would try to weaponize and criminalize 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:13.799 that which is not truly under the law of crime. 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:19.200 Do you think that this is winding down? And if so, 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:22.080 could he tell us why? Because I've been hearing that 1:27:22.120 --> 1:27:25.599 for quite a while, and obviously it has not been 1:27:25.600 --> 1:27:29.080 true for quite a while, because this thing still drags on. 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:33.400 Are we going to be in you know, springtime, still 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:38.960 talking about whether Mueller's got the goods? It's altogether possible. Sure, 1:27:39.760 --> 1:27:46.320 These independent counsels and special counsel investigations tend to drag 1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:53.800 on well beyond their merits. We certainly saw that in Whitewater, 1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:57.360 which went on for the better part of four years 1:27:57.960 --> 1:28:02.200 and then ended up, you know, acute the President Bill 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:06.639 Clinton then of something that had nothing whatsoever to do 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:11.679 with the original mandate. So there's no telling when Muller 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:14.559 and his team of partisans will end this thing. They 1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:17.880 should have ended it long ago. There's not a whiff 1:28:17.960 --> 1:28:22.200 of evidence that Trump ever had some conspiracy or coordination 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.960 or collusion with Russia to win the election. None zero, 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:29.559 And it should have ended there. And in point of fact, 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:35.360 Muller should never have been appointed because under the federal regulation, 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.519 she can only appoint a special counsel if there's some 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:44.200 evidence of a crime first. And Lisa Page, who was 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:48.800 the top FBI lawyer on the Russia investigation, testified two 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:53.320 months ago that during entire time the FBI had the case. 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:58.880 They never found any evidence of collusion. So this has 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:02.879 been with Robert Muller, an investigation in search of a crime, 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:08.000 which were verses. Ambassaardizes the legal process and turns the 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:12.040 federal regulations on their head. And that was Greg Jared, 1:29:12.080 --> 1:29:14.519 author of the Russia hoax with Buck. Coming up next 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.040 is R. J. Homman of Fair. He's going to talk 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:19.800 to us about the upcoming spending fight on Capitol Hills. 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:23.559 As stay tuned, Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show, 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:26.559 Lisa Booth. Here, we've got RJ. Hamman on the line 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:29.759 from the Federation for American Immigration Reform. He's the government 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:32.479 relations director. J I really wanted to get in to 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:35.920 with you about, you know, this upcoming spending fight that 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.479 we're going to see on Capitol Hill. President Trump of 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:42.120 course is demanding and pushing to get funding for the 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:44.960 border wall. Where do you see you know you're covering 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:47.120 all this and paying attention to it. Where is this 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:50.599 fight heading and what do you foresee happening? Yeah, Li's 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.679 thanks for having beyond obviously the border wall, President Trump's 1:29:53.720 --> 1:29:56.479 you know, key campaign promise. I mean, it's his signature issue. 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:59.599 That's what everybody was screaming for on the campaign trail, 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:01.840 but you know, on this, on that front, he's been 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:05.360 largely stymied all year. I mean, every single funding fight 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:09.240 we've had, you know, congressional leadership has convinced him, Oh, 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:11.840 we'll do it next time, We'll do it next time. Well, 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:14.160 now it's now or never. I mean, you have Speaker 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:16.960 Pelosi coming in in January. She's not going to give 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:19.479 you any border wall funding for the next two years. 1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:22.600 So right now it's now or never. Obviously, with the 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:26.800 tragic death of former President George HW. Bush kind of 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:30.400 threw a wrinkle in some of these negotiations. As many 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:33.760 of your listeners may remember, the spending bill, the dhs 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:37.559 CR was supposed to run out tomorrow, December seventh. So 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:41.240 what they did today, and I want everybody understand because 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:44.479 this isn't as swampy as it gets. So what they did. 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:46.960 What they did is they did a two week continuing 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:50.920 resolution to push the shutdown deadline from December seventh to 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:54.800 December twenty first, right up before Christmas. And Lisa, you've 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:56.960 seen this before. I've been up in Washington and see this. 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:00.000 The closer you get to Christmas, Conservatives always get screwed. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:02.080 So this, you know, the bad news is that it 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.799 effectively puts a pressure on a lot of these members 1:31:04.840 --> 1:31:08.040 to cave and accept what leadership offers them just to 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:11.400 get home for Christmas. And you know, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:14.960 Kevin McCarthy, I mean, they're not really true supporters of 1:31:15.560 --> 1:31:18.400 President Trump's immigration platform, even though they let on like 1:31:18.479 --> 1:31:21.040 they are in the border wall. So you know, when 1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:22.960 you want to pass something that you know your base 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:24.920 is going to hate and and you don't want a 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:27.040 bunch of angry phone calls or get thrown out in 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.479 twenty twenty and then schedule to vote right up against 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:32.760 Christmas while everyone's distracted. So you know, it looks like 1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:34.839 that that they just want to kind of tell President 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:37.200 Trump that, hey, we can't get those votes. We need 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:40.920 to pass a one year extension of Department Homeland Security 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:44.680 funding into next year. But you know, again, right now, 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:46.960 it doesn't look good. It's now or never. That's why, 1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:49.880 you know, organization is urging you know, our members in 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:52.320 the general public to make your voice heard. Call your 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:55.160 member of Congress and say you do support the President 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:58.840 Trump's a key campaign promise you support border security because 1:31:59.000 --> 1:32:00.840 of Congress all they care about right now, it looks 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:02.679 like he's getting home for Christmas, even though they didn't 1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:05.040 accomplish what they were set there to do. Well. I 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:08.479 know this all two from working on Cathitol Hill and 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:10.680 Arch I wanted to, you know, how much leverage do 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:12.640 you think President Trump is going to use here? I mean, 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:16.000 because we saw with the brief shutdown that you know 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:20.599 what President Trump dubbed the Schumer shutdown over DACA. I mean, 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:22.080 do you think he'll do that again? I mean, do 1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:24.479 you think President Trump is not going to play those games? 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:26.240 You know, do you think he'll hunkered down? And how 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:27.960 much leverage does he really have here? I mean, I 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:30.040 know he can veto it, you know, you know as 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:32.599 well as I do. Again, it's I think both parties, 1:32:32.760 --> 1:32:35.120 and I think this fear is generally correct. Is everybody's 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:39.080 afraid of being blamed for a shutdown. I mean, it backfired, 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:43.679 It's backfired on Republicans before, It's certainly backfired on Schumer 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:45.760 when he did that over DACA. And I think there's 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:48.880 always a fear again. I mean, this is why you know, 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:51.320 we think President Trump should use his leverage and tried. 1:32:51.400 --> 1:32:53.400 If he wanted to shut down the government, he should 1:32:53.400 --> 1:32:55.840 have done this back in March, you know, or a 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:57.640 lot or a lot farther away than right at the 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:00.720 game against the line here. But again, no, Trump does 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:04.240 have leverage. He can veto this thing. But again, when 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:07.320 you take out again at the damage and how long 1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:10.439 a shutdown would be, you know, Democrats could essentially run 1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:13.800 out the clock, say President Trump's vetos whatever they give 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:16.120 him on the twenty first, they can just hang tight 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.000 for a couple of weeks until they get in power 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:21.080 and then send him something else, rather than you know, 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.000 if they've tried to pass something he didn't like, they 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:26.040 vetoed it. You know around this week, Democrats would maybe 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:28.479 have to come to the table and not risk being 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:30.720 blamed for a one month shutdown. But again, you know, 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:33.840 President Trump said, we remember back in September when he 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:36.120 got a terrible spending bill, he says, I'm not going 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:39.200 to sign a bill like this ever. Again, he said 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:41.800 that repeatedly, and I mean we're hoping he you know, 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:44.479 he puts his boots in the ground and and sticks 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.760 to what is his key campaign promise again, like I said, 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:50.559 it is now or never Nancy Pelosi will not give 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:53.720 him any border wall funding. In fact, you know, a 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:57.120 Democrat appropriators, they're going to be trying to claw away 1:33:57.400 --> 1:34:01.200 money from border security and essential law enforcement functions as 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:04.479 long as they pertain to immigration. You're talking cutting ICE funding, 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:07.840 cutting CBP funding. They're not just gonna not give him 1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:11.040 what he wants. They're gonna take away from our border 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:15.280 security and interior enforcement apparatus. So I mean, he's in 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:18.160 fantasyland again if he thinks that he can listen to 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:20.920 the establishment Republicans on Capitol Hill and oh, we'll get 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:23.200 it next time. There is no next time. Wells. One 1:34:23.200 --> 1:34:25.800 thing that always gets me is we've seen like a 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:29.040 thousand people try to rush the southern border illegally break 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:31.320 their way into the United States. You saw them do 1:34:31.400 --> 1:34:34.280 the same on their journey to the United States and 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:37.640 breaking into what was it, Mexico or I'm getting the 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:41.280 right doing that as well. And then we're saying recently 1:34:41.320 --> 1:34:44.439 two of people basically throwing their children over the Southern 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.440 wall to get into the United States. So just lawlessness, 1:34:47.439 --> 1:34:49.760 and to me, it kind of makes the case for 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:53.080 what President Trump has been saying of increased border security 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:56.719 and also all right, No, absolutely. I mean a wall 1:34:57.120 --> 1:34:59.240 is a wall is just one of the many things 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.920 again that we need to do. And and you know, 1:35:02.000 --> 1:35:04.600 people act like, you know, President Trump was exploiting the 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:09.360 caravan and all those visions as you know, a manufactured crisis, 1:35:09.439 --> 1:35:12.520 if you will. And I think it was actually manufactured 1:35:12.560 --> 1:35:14.880 by a lot of these open borders groups and everything 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:18.800 that they know that we're having, you know, and immigration stalemate, 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:20.680 and they know how you know, toxic this is in 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:23.479 our country, and they're looking to exploit the division and 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:26.880 make almost a standoff, if you will. But again, the 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:29.719 border wall can't stop the caravan, and I think that's 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.560 something that you know, I wish President Trump would understand 1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:35.200 a little bit more, you know, if he really wanted 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:37.479 to stop this problem. I mean, it's of course, it's 1:35:37.520 --> 1:35:40.280 all well and good to want that five billion dollars 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:43.920 or even more for some border infrastructure walls work. We 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:46.040 need to repair things down there on the border. A 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:50.599 lot of the fences needs repairs. I totally understand that 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:54.320 we support that. But President Trump has to call for 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:57.360 closing our asylum loopholes. I mean, this is what is 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:01.360 driving people up here from Central America. These coyotes down 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:03.320 there that bring them up here. They know how to 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:06.240 exploit our loss. They know what to say in their 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:09.120 credible fear interviews to get released into the interior of 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:11.799 the country. They know that if they bring a child 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:14.639 that they will get released because they can't be detained 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:17.479 for more than twenty days. These laws are the ultimate 1:36:17.560 --> 1:36:20.080 pull factors. And we could have a wall from sea 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:24.000 to Shining Sea and they'll it'll still happen because these 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:26.080 people will just walk right up to a port of 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:29.440 entry or rush a port of entry and claim asylum 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:31.439 and get released into interior of the country. It is 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:34.800 the new form of illegal immigration. It's not like the 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:37.479 early two thousands when you had young, working age Mexican 1:36:37.560 --> 1:36:40.839 mails streaming over the border and just running into the country. 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:44.519 They turn themselves in immediately, and a wall certainly will 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:47.000 not stop this well. And I mean we saw that 1:36:47.120 --> 1:36:50.280 with the end of the zero tolerance policy with President Trump. 1:36:50.320 --> 1:36:52.800 There is an eighty percent increase of families coming over 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:56.639 to the United States after that policy ended, So clearly 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.479 people are figuring out how to game the system. So 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:00.960 I want to talk to you about you'd mentioned the 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:03.760 loopholes that need to be closed. Can you what are 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:06.760 those loopholes and what needs to be done about it? Yeah, 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:09.839 we look at about you know, three main things. So, 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:12.439 so first you got to tighten the credible fear standard 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:16.080 for asylum applicants. So credible fear credible fear interview is 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:18.639 the first thing you do when you make an asylum 1:37:18.680 --> 1:37:21.559 claim to see if it's it's valid. And the Obama 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:25.480 administration really liberalize the meaning and it's created a situation 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:28.240 where everyone thinks that they can get it. And what 1:37:28.280 --> 1:37:31.639 they need to do is impose penalties on migrants who 1:37:31.680 --> 1:37:35.320 make these frivolous claims. Really tighten the standard of these interviews, 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:37.920 because right now, I think it's over ninety percent path 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:41.120 that initial interview and many of them eventually get their 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:45.080 asylum claims denied. But but as you know, it takes 1:37:45.439 --> 1:37:47.760 well over a year, sometimes two years to get your 1:37:47.760 --> 1:37:51.160 asylum claim adjudicated because the backlog is so great. So 1:37:51.200 --> 1:37:53.080 what these people want to do is they really don't 1:37:53.120 --> 1:37:55.240 want to see their asylum claim all the way through. 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.240 They know that if they get past this initial credible 1:37:58.280 --> 1:38:00.880 fear interview that they'll get really into the country and 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:04.000 they can just go disappear into the population. The second 1:38:04.000 --> 1:38:06.479 thing we need to do is address the Flores Settlement agreement. 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:09.120 That's a court settlement, and that's what tricked up when 1:38:09.240 --> 1:38:12.880 President Trump was trying to That's what interfered with President 1:38:12.920 --> 1:38:16.320 Trump's deer or tolerance policy was the Floras Settlement. Correct 1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:19.000 Florist settlement says that if your family units can't be 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:21.960 detained or children can't be detained either for more than 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:24.720 twenty days, and then they have to be released. And 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:27.360 and if what we need to do is extend family 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:30.839 detention and increased detention space so that will have adequate 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:33.479 holding facilities so we don't have to release these people. 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:36.439 And and President Trump when he did the zero tolerance thing, 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:40.240 is he really exposed truly what the open borders left 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.840 really wants to do. You know. He says, all right, 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:45.240 all right, so we could either separate families. They oh, no, 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:47.040 you can't do that. And he goes, all right, well, 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:49.559 let's hold the families together, and they say, no, you 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:51.679 can't do that either. So then what do you want 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:53.960 that's just for them to be released in the interior 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:57.439 of the country. If we exactly exactly, if we really 1:38:57.439 --> 1:38:59.519 want to stop this again, we have to ensure that 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:02.439 these can be held together in detention. And I think 1:39:02.520 --> 1:39:05.759 the third thing is amending one of our trafficking laws, 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:10.000 which is the TVPRA, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act. 1:39:10.040 --> 1:39:12.639 And that's a law. It's a well intentioned law designed 1:39:12.640 --> 1:39:16.160 to protect miners from sex traffickers, but now it's just 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:18.800 it's basically a foothold to get into the US. And 1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:21.040 we believe there a variety of changes that can be 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:24.439 made that would close this loophole that's being exploited while 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:28.120 still protecting these children who may be at risk. And 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:30.720 then I think more broadly, you know, you secure the 1:39:30.760 --> 1:39:33.360 border with more resources and staffing, you dry up the 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:37.120 jobs magnet by implementing mandatory, you verify, you know, you send, 1:39:37.479 --> 1:39:40.120 you send the message no more funny business. I mean, 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:43.880 we're serious about enforcing our laws. And Congress hasn't done 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:45.960 that yet. You know, President Trump has tried time and 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:48.719 again to do what he can through his executive authority, 1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:51.240 kind of the opposite of what President Obama did. And 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:54.040 you know, the ACLU or other open borders groups seem 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.320 to be able to find an activist judge anywhere, you know, 1:39:57.400 --> 1:40:00.519 and likely under the Ninth Circuit to stop President Trump, 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:03.920 even though he has legitimate authority most of the time 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:08.720 delegated to him by Congress. UM. And you know, or 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:11.120 j I wanted to talk to you about, you know, 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:15.559 how much has word essentially gotten out to these Central 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:19.840 American migrants about how easy or laws are to games. 1:40:20.000 --> 1:40:21.800 I know you had mentioned the fact that, you know, 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:25.000 eighty nine percent of these indigual individuals are going to 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:28.120 pass that first interview with immigration authorities. And my understand 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:31.120 he's only nine percent who actually show up an immigration 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:34.360 court will be granted asylum. So how much is word 1:40:34.439 --> 1:40:37.800 essentially gotten out about how easy it is to come 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:40.960 here and at least pass that first initial or interview. Oh, 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:44.559 it's it's it's widely known. I mean even go back. 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:48.760 So I remember back when President Trump, you know, diddaca. UM, 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:52.639 he had to dispatch Joe Biden down to Central America 1:40:52.720 --> 1:40:56.760 to tell the governments down there, hey, and to let 1:40:56.800 --> 1:40:58.880 your people know that just because we're doing this DACA 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:01.240 thing doesn't mean that you're gonna be able to come. 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:03.280 I mean we've seen we've seen this time and again 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:08.759 every time either Congress discusses or extends an immigration benefit. 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:11.519 Or even you know, our laws get widely known how 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:14.599 they can be abused. These people down their irrational people, 1:41:14.640 --> 1:41:17.760 they take note, they know what their family members have done, 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.640 they know what works. And a lot of these coyotes 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:23.000 down there. You know, there was actually a Washington Post 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:27.000 article several weeks several of the reporters went down to 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:30.040 Guatemala and we're actually talking to people down there. Coyotes 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:33.880 were encouraging people to go with a child that a 1:41:33.960 --> 1:41:36.400 child is basically known as a get out of jail 1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:39.519 free card. I mean that is that's a humanitarian crisis. 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:43.639 I mean, we're our laws are encouraging people to bring 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:46.320 their children and sometimes not even their own children, and 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:49.360 encourages kidnapping. You know, as somebody in Guatemala could go 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.000 kidnap a child knowing that you know, hey, that child 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:54.960 might get out of jail free card and a ticket 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.120 to work in the United States. That creates a crisis 1:41:57.160 --> 1:42:00.360 down there. This journey up up to the United States 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:03.599 from Central America, it's terrible. I mean, you have children 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:07.680 that are raped, that they're subjected to violence. You know, 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:11.240 gangs are recruiting. I mean, it's a real crisis, and 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:15.080 our laws are exacerbating the problem. You know, it's not 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:18.160 You're not being in humane, you're not acting without heart 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.719 when you want to shore them up again. These people 1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:23.000 need to make the changes in their own countries to 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:25.720 better the conditions down there, rather than coming up in 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:29.680 the treacherous journey to the United States and disregarding our laws. Well, 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:31.960 and to that point, DHS put out a statistic. I 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:33.880 think it's over the past two years there's been one 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:36.599 hundred and ten percent increase in malls bringing a child 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:39.679 trying to enter into the southern border. So completely making 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.080 your point, J, We're out of time, but I really 1:42:42.080 --> 1:42:46.360 appreciate you joining us tonight. RJ. Haman of Fair all right, 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:49.920 thanks Lisa, thank you so much. Welcome back to the 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:53.120 Buck Sexton Show. Lisa Booth. I really appreciate you guys 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:54.640 for sticking with me to night. This is actually my 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:57.120 first time a solo hosting radio, So thank you to 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.960 Buck for getting sick and allowing me this opportunity to 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:02.160 fill in for him. Really, he's a friend of mine, 1:43:02.200 --> 1:43:05.160 so I really appreciate him believing in me and not 1:43:05.240 --> 1:43:07.240 thinking I was going to screw it up. So a 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:09.799 great friend there. And I've also I've got a producer, 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:12.120 Mike with me right now, because I heard that he 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:17.200 actually takes issue with where I went to college. So Mike, 1:43:17.280 --> 1:43:20.320 what gives? I don't take issue. I I mean, that's 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:22.559 the way. That's why I tell you where you went school. Yeah, 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:24.080 I went to the University of Tennessee, which is a 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:28.519 phenomenal school. Phenomenal yeah, yeah, big Orange. Right. Well, I'm 1:43:28.520 --> 1:43:31.200 a Philadelphia boy, so I don't really have place to 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:33.240 speak on the South. But well, then what's your beef 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:35.200 with me? What I could deal? I have relatives who 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:37.400 went to the University of Alabama. Well, I mean, it's 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:39.000 not like you guys have anything to be upset with 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:42.080 right now. Alabama has been, you know, amazing, Yeah, kicking 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:44.439 butt with football. We just have problems with schools that 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:47.680 really stink at football. You know, that's so right, and 1:43:47.760 --> 1:43:49.519 right now that a season not going so good. You know, 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:51.680 actually I want to talk to you about that, and 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:53.639 what do you think is wrong with your program? Well, 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:56.120 it's really tough, is I can't really rebut that because 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:59.080 you know, I went to school when Philip former, Philip 1:43:59.080 --> 1:44:02.680 Fumer ever, Philip former, and then also when Lane Kiffin 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:06.360 screwed US over Yes, things just went downhill. And I'll 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:07.880 tell you this. I think it's so funny because I 1:44:07.880 --> 1:44:10.080 remember there was a guy that put up our guy 1:44:10.160 --> 1:44:11.600 or gal who I don't know if who who was 1:44:11.640 --> 1:44:14.080 behind it, put up a billboard on one of the 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:18.200 major highways and it read that Lane Kiffin was as 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:21.920 faithful as Tiger one. That's really funny. I never saw 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:23.880 that well, and that just goes to show you how 1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:27.679 much people love their football in Knoxville, Tennessee, that someone 1:44:27.840 --> 1:44:30.639 would pay their own money to I mean the billboards. 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:34.240 He was well, I mean it's true because Lane Kiffin was, 1:44:34.560 --> 1:44:37.200 you know, not a faithful you know, he's a terrible coach, 1:44:37.560 --> 1:44:41.280 screwed us over M and so well that's actually that's 1:44:41.280 --> 1:44:43.200 true too. But so I found that to be hilarious 1:44:43.240 --> 1:44:46.240 because someone literally spent their own money to send a 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:49.519 message and an important message. It was, yeah, an important message. 1:44:49.560 --> 1:44:52.559 What is it about the South? It out and like 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:55.040 because the Alabama fans are the same. SEC is great, 1:44:55.200 --> 1:44:57.640 SEC country is awesome. They loved their football and they 1:44:57.680 --> 1:44:59.800 take it so seriously. I understand there's no NFL teams 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:01.439 down there, But what's in the water down there that 1:45:01.520 --> 1:45:04.160 like gives them like they're they're crazier than like Giants 1:45:04.160 --> 1:45:06.280 fans and Eagles fans like they're nuts. They have you 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:08.880 been to games? Like? Have you gone to an SEC game? Oh? Yeah, 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:11.559 Well it's so much fun. Yeah, I mean that was 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:14.200 the highlight of going to ther University of Tennessee. It's 1:45:14.200 --> 1:45:16.160 so much fun going to the football games. You get 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:18.519 to hang out with friends. It brings the school together, 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:21.120 or brings the community together. It's just a lot of fun. 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:23.639 Not even too you know, my girlfriends and I in college. 1:45:23.960 --> 1:45:26.200 You know, we go to games at the different universities. 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:29.040 We go to Old Mess, we go to Georgia, and 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:30.519 you get got to check out some of the other 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:33.040 universities as well, which was a lot of fun. Although 1:45:33.439 --> 1:45:37.439 toma um you know what? Yes, actually, well no, I 1:45:37.439 --> 1:45:41.280 don't remember it ready. Have you ever had a yellowhammer? 1:45:41.640 --> 1:45:44.160 You know what that is? Actually I did. I did 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.280 go to the University of Alabama. That's cracked. Yeah, it's 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:50.160 been a while since I graduated, although hopefully nobody knew 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:54.960 that because I still look young, maybe you'll be okay 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:58.240 at least that's just what I'm gonna tell myself. Still, 1:45:58.520 --> 1:45:59.920 if I still go out and get card at a 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:02.920 good night so it makes feel better about yourself definitely. 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:05.040 But yeah, it's it's beautiful down there. Like I love 1:46:05.080 --> 1:46:06.560 going the BAM. I've never been to Tennessee, so I 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:09.479 can't speak too hard on it. It's beautiful. We've got 1:46:09.479 --> 1:46:11.599 in you've got Vall Navy on the water too, which 1:46:11.640 --> 1:46:13.320 is a lot of fun. Be game the games. But 1:46:13.400 --> 1:46:15.639 thanks so much everyone. I really appreciate you guys for 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:17.960 joining me tonight, and thank you Buck for letting me 1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:19.880 fill in for you. Have a great night, everyone,