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Speaker 1: Remember the Sexton. No, I really can't stay. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: is Lisa Booth with the Buck Sexton Show. I'm filling

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Speaker 1: in for him tonight. Obviously I don't sound like him,

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Speaker 1: this right now. So we've got radio stations in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: It's Cold Outside, a Christmas classic goes back to nineteen

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Speaker 1: that banned it, Glenn Anderson, had this to say. He said,

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Speaker 1: the world we live in is extra sensitive now. People

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Speaker 1: One that the world has gotten that sensitive that a

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Speaker 1: like Trump who look at all these pleas and they think,

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Speaker 1: you know, very hopefully from their perspective, that Mueller is

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Speaker 1: piece by piece, mesodically rolling up people to get, you know,

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Speaker 1: to go up the chain, as they say, and finally

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Speaker 1: get to Trump. But that only works when you're getting

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Speaker 1: them to plead guilty to the thing that they did

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Speaker 1: with Trump. And if they're all pleading guilty to making

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Speaker 1: false statements to investigators long and after the cell called

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Speaker 1: collusion scheme, then you don't really have a collusion case. Well,

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Speaker 1: so then you know, my question to you then is,

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Speaker 1: if if they're you know, really, isn't this criminal activity?

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Speaker 1: You know, why even have the Muller investigation of the

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Speaker 1: beginning with like to begin him? What is he doing?

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Speaker 1: What is the point of this investigation? That's always been

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Speaker 1: a great question, and it's you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I try to point out that, you know, there

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Speaker 1: is this distinction between criminal investigations and counterintelligence investigations. What

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Speaker 1: Mueller was handed was a counterintelligence investigation that's importantly different

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Speaker 1: from a criminal investigation. In the latter. In criminal cases,

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Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is build evidence so that

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Speaker 1: you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody that

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Speaker 1: you've identified as a suspect has violated a law. The

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Speaker 1: point of a counter intelligence investigation is not to enforce

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Speaker 1: the law. In fact, most the vast majority of counterintelligence

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Speaker 1: investigations don't have anything to do with criminal prosecution. The

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Speaker 1: point of a counterintelligence investigation is to collect information about

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Speaker 1: foreign powers that may threaten American interests. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: in the Russia counterintelligence investigation, the thing that you're looking

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Speaker 1: at is Russia. You know to the extent that it

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Speaker 1: poses a threat to our election system and anything else

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Speaker 1: that way, it may pose a threat too. And the

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Speaker 1: reason it's really bad to give a prosecutor a counterintelligence

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Speaker 1: investigation is twofold. First, in the Justice Department, counterintelligence investigations

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Speaker 1: don't get a prosecutor because it's not lawyer work. It's

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Speaker 1: agent work. It's analytical work. There's nothing about having a

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Speaker 1: law degree that makes you an expert intelligence analysis. So

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Speaker 1: the only time the lawyers get involved in the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department in counterintelligence is if the analysts need them to

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Speaker 1: get for example, a warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance

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Speaker 1: Act to surveil somebody. So then the prosecutorial it's not

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Speaker 1: even they not even usually prosecutors, they're just government lawyers

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Speaker 1: in the Justice Department. They will go to the fies

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Speaker 1: the court and try to get a warrant for the agents,

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Speaker 1: but they don't get involved in the collection or analysis

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Speaker 1: of the evidence. So why you would put a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in charge of an important counterintelligence investigation is beyond me.

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Speaker 1: But the second reason it's really bad, Lisa, is what

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Speaker 1: you want with prosecutors is for them to be assigned

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Speaker 1: to something that already is suspected to be a crime.

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Speaker 1: When you assigned the prosecutor. In other words, what we

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Speaker 1: do in this country is a crime gets committed and

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Speaker 1: then we assign a prosecutor. We don't assign a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: and tell them, see what you can do to go

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Speaker 1: off and find a crime. So that's not the way

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Speaker 1: it works. So my being overly am I overly simplifying

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Speaker 1: this and saying that you know, it seems like Muller

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Speaker 1: is in search of a crime instead of investigating a

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Speaker 1: crime that's already happened. Yes, I think that with respect

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Speaker 1: to President Trump. That has always been true. And one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons that's another of the reasons I guess

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Speaker 1: I should say that's that's a really bad way to

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Speaker 1: go about it in terms of counter intelligence. Is you know,

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Speaker 1: if I assign you, Lisa as a prosecutor to go

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Speaker 1: investigate the robbery of the First National Bank, we all

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Speaker 1: know that there was a robbery, and we know that

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Speaker 1: there's like three or four elements of bank robbery that

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor has to prove beyond the reasonable doubt. So

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Speaker 1: the transaction has understandable limits and parameters, and you either

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Speaker 1: you can either prove it or you can't after doing

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Speaker 1: an adequate investigation. By contrast, a counterintelligence investigation, as we've

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Speaker 1: just said, is just an information gathering exercise, and the

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Speaker 1: guys who gather information will always tell you they can

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Speaker 1: never get enough, right. So unlike a normal criminal investigation,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have any finite you know, there's no sensible

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Speaker 1: beginning an end to it, and it can just be

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Speaker 1: an unguided missile or a phishing expedition with no natural

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Speaker 1: beginning or end, and it would be one It would

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Speaker 1: be one thing if you did something like that in

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Speaker 1: a normal prosecutor's office where all the resources of the

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Speaker 1: office can't be poured into one case. You know, every

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Speaker 1: every case has to compete with every other case for resources.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you're when you're a special cancel situation,

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Speaker 1: it's like you're you assigned a prosecutor to one target.

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Speaker 1: And then if you turn around and say, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, we're putting any limits on you. You're assigned

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Speaker 1: to this person and you scorch the earth as much

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Speaker 1: as you think you need to to try to find

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Speaker 1: a crime. That's not really the American way of doing investigations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty terrifying stuff there. And look, i'd be eve

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Speaker 1: remiss to not ask you about the Mueller sentencing report

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Speaker 1: on Michael Flynn. It came out on Tuesday night. What

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Speaker 1: are your takeaways from it? And also is the media

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Speaker 1: missing anything big about it that hasn't really been reported. Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot in there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know everybody says because there's so much redaction, you

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Speaker 1: can't really tell what Muller has and there's there's something

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Speaker 1: to be said for that. But I think it's interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that it confirms something that that

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Speaker 1: I've been arguing all along, which is that you know,

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Speaker 1: you asked me a second ago, what is Muller doing here?

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Speaker 1: I think a big priority that Mueller has is to

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Speaker 1: justify the very controversial decision made by the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: to conduct an investigation of the opposition party's presidential campaign

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Speaker 1: the presidency of Trump. And you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: what they were obviously going about doing that. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the Flynn memo, what it seems to indicate

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Speaker 1: is that they've brought on to exactly what the theory

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Speaker 1: that the Justice Department had in the Obama days before

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Speaker 1: Muller was assigned. So you'll learn that, you know, there

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Speaker 1: was a Logan Act investigation of Flynn during the Trump transition. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Logan Act is not a good basis

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Speaker 1: to conduct a criminal investigation. It's this two century old

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Speaker 1: provision that never has been prosecuted successfully in the Justice Department.

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Speaker 1: And when when Flynn was in the Trump transition, his

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Speaker 1: job was to deal with counterparts from other countries. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that's a proper basis to

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Speaker 1: be conducting an investigation. And yet, you know, Muller seems

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Speaker 1: to adopt that. So I think a big part of

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Speaker 1: what he's trying to do here is even if they

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Speaker 1: don't find any sitable criminal offenses, by they are going

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Speaker 1: to they are ultimately going to say that there was

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Speaker 1: plenty of basis for the FBI in the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: to be suspicious. So why aren't more people reporting that then?

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Speaker 1: Because you mean, you look at that, there really doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be a basis for the FBI ever interview

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Speaker 1: interviewing Flynn in the first place. He didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: wrong with talking to Kissley acc about sanctions. He was

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Speaker 1: part of the incoming administration. That has happened before. So

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Speaker 1: why why aren't more people talking about that? I think

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Speaker 1: because the media buy enlarges anti Trump, and they liked

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Speaker 1: the investigation. And you know, ultimately Congress is not limited, Lisa,

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Speaker 1: to criminal violations. High crimes and misdemeanors don't have to

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Speaker 1: be indictable criminal offenses, so it's always possible that Muller

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Speaker 1: could turn up something that might be impeachable, even if

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Speaker 1: it can't be used to indict Trump. So they liked

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Speaker 1: the investigation. All right, Andy, well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us tonight. I knew you would be an

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Speaker 1: awesome guest. So so thankful for you joining us this

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Speaker 1: evening and making sense of everything for us. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: least always a pleasure to be with you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Hope to see you soon. All right, YEA, have a

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Speaker 1: great night. Muller's not involved in a investigation. Mueller has

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Speaker 1: a Trump destruction project. He brought on a team, all

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Speaker 1: of them dedicated to destroying Trump. They've done everything they

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Speaker 1: could to destroy Trump. Part of that technique is you

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Speaker 1: throw the kitchen sink. You basically threatened somebody and say

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bankrupt you, I'm going to put your

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Speaker 1: son in jail. I'm going to charge you with so

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Speaker 1: many different crimes you'll never get out from undred. Now,

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Speaker 1: would you like to talk? And we have the full

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Speaker 1: power of the federal government against you, it's pretty tough

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Speaker 1: not to try to find a way to get him

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Speaker 1: off your back. But it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the truth, it has nothing to do with justice. Historians

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Speaker 1: someday will comment that this was one of the most

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Speaker 1: extraordinary efforts to undo the will of the American people

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Speaker 1: buy an established bureaucracy and its establishment friends that we've

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Speaker 1: seen in all of American history. Okay, so that was

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Speaker 1: Newt Gingrich. And we've also talked to Addie McCarthy just

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Speaker 1: in the last break, and again I urge you to

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Speaker 1: go read his column it's called Robert Mueller's Plan, because

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Speaker 1: I really, you know, I've got a lot of concerns

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Speaker 1: about this. And to his point, if Robert Mueller is

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Speaker 1: building a report, not a case, then what is the

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Speaker 1: point of the Mueller investigation to begin with? If there's

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Speaker 1: not criminal activity that he's already that he was looking

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Speaker 1: at from the inception of this investigation, what is the

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Speaker 1: new Gingridge, it's not just Annie McCarthy that have raised

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Speaker 1: served under George W. Bush, who raised the point that

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Speaker 1: the Special Counsel investigation just should have never started from

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Speaker 1: the beginning, that there wasn't a justification for the investigation.

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Speaker 1: And now here we are. Taxpayers have been on the hook,

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Speaker 1: and what have we gotten from it? Where is the collusion?

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Speaker 1: Where is the crimes in relation to conspiracy that Annie

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Speaker 1: China and trade. The Chinese Minister of Our Commerce said

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday at that the meeting in G twenty at

643
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Speaker 1: the G twenty summit was very successful and that the

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Speaker 1: two countries are over the next ninety day is going

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Speaker 1: to seek to try to formulate a more specifcific deal.

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Speaker 1: So where are we right now with China on trade

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Speaker 1: and also what happens in the next ninety days, in

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Speaker 1: your opinion, at least, I think we're kind of running

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: in two tracks at once right now. I think everyone

650
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: has come to the awareness that Donald Trump is a

651
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: different kind of president, and he's taking an unconventional approach

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Speaker 1: to negotiating with China, and this is a major issue

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Speaker 1: for his presidency but also for him personally. He's talked

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Speaker 1: about it for decades, trying to rebalance what he sees

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Speaker 1: as I think accurately the raw deal Americans have had

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Speaker 1: in doing business in China. And the second track is

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Speaker 1: managing the politics of the near term and going into

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Speaker 1: next year. Financial markets were getting skittish about FED moves potentially,

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Speaker 1: and the kind of dark horizon of a trade war

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Speaker 1: with China seemed to be rattling a few cages. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Donald Trump is going to go wobbly

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Speaker 1: and negotiations with the Chinese, but we definitely have a

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Speaker 1: bit of back and forth in the history of US

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Speaker 1: China relations, and certainly, going back the better part of

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Speaker 1: thirty years of my working on China related issues, I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of anyone putting a ninety day horizon out

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Speaker 1: there with China and expecting real measurable results. So if

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Speaker 1: we get something in those ninety days, that's unprecedented. But

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Speaker 1: I think the president is pushing in the right direction

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Speaker 1: to try to give the Chinese goal posts, and then

671
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: if they fail to meet them, well, then he goes

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: back to hitting them with the hammer of the tariffs,

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Speaker 1: which he said he is famously the tariff president. So

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Speaker 1: do you think you'd mentioned his unconventional approach. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think it's working, the tariffs against China and

676
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: sort of this tougher approach. Is it working well? It

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Speaker 1: certainly worked. Up to the G twenty meeting. The Chinese

678
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: were feeling pressure. I think the leadership was feeling pressure

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00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: political and economic. There's a kind of an open question

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: among those of us who try to watch these things

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Speaker 1: really closely about whether the Chinese feel like they got

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Speaker 1: a ninety days breathing space or whether they kind of

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Speaker 1: had this personal heart to heart at the leader level. Now,

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Speaker 1: I am a deeply skeptical person when it comes to

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Speaker 1: having a heart to heart with the head of a

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Speaker 1: communist party of any country, And much as the Communist

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Speaker 1: Party of China have a heart and so I don't

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Speaker 1: really believe in personal chemistry and negotiating with China, But

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00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: the President believes in playing that in his negotiations. So

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00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: the combo of trying to build some rapport, pressing them

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Speaker 1: with tariffs and the threat of future of things coming

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Speaker 1: back probably is the right thing. But frankly, the Chinese

693
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: only understand power and pressure, and that's what they'll respond to. Friendliness.

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Speaker 1: He'll just eat up for lunch and come back and

695
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: say can I have another serving? And so I think

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Speaker 1: the President is going to have to be prepared to

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00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: be tough through twenty nineteen and onward. But if we

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00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: get net progress along the way, I'm happy with that.

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Speaker 1: Just don't backtrack. So you're thinking this is the long

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Speaker 1: road ahead, then this is going to take a while. Absolutely,

701
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: that's my zoo. I mean, I'd love to be proven wrong.

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00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to see the president get a breakthrough

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00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: and recalibrate the US China trade relationship. But we have been,

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Speaker 1: I think, on a fantasy for the last fifty years

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Speaker 1: about giving economic benefits to China and favorable dealings with China,

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Speaker 1: letting it get away with things we don't let any

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Speaker 1: other country get away with on the expectation they become

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Speaker 1: more modern, more like us, less of a problem. And

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Speaker 1: I think President Trump accurately read that a majority of

710
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Speaker 1: Americans don't buy that anymore. And guess what, the statistics

711
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Speaker 1: and the reality of doing business in the world doesn't

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Speaker 1: back it up anymore. And so we've got the theft

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Speaker 1: of intellectual property, imbalanced trade, and a lot of non

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Speaker 1: tariff barriers, which is a technical way of saying unfair

715
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: trade practice is beyond taxes that the Chinese have gotten

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Speaker 1: away with, and we this is just desperate need of

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00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: a rebalance. So I support the direction. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: optimistic it will be a near term harvest. And you

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: had mentioned the intellectual property theft that of course was

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Speaker 1: part of the justification of tariffs on China and this

721
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: tough stance that the Trump administration is taking. Of course,

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Speaker 1: they did a seven month investigation into China and found

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Speaker 1: a loss economically of about fifty billion dollars to Corporate

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Speaker 1: America and corporate earnings. Can you just break down for

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Speaker 1: the listeners just the impact of the intellectual property theft,

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Speaker 1: what China is up to, and why it's so important

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Speaker 1: to know about this and to call China out on it. Well,

728
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Speaker 1: first and foremost, I think the scale is much larger,

729
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: and so we're probably really looking in the ballpark of

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Speaker 1: like six hundred billion dollars worth of intellectual property being

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Speaker 1: stolen from American interests over recent years. And that's not

732
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Speaker 1: like going back thirty years, it's just going back into

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Speaker 1: recent years. And so what happens is companies try to

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Speaker 1: go into the ever large China market thinking they'll get

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Speaker 1: market share, increased sales, have an export platform, and the

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Speaker 1: Chinese will add on fe these forced technology transfer, have

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Speaker 1: their people trained up to basically spy on you and

738
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Speaker 1: copy what you do, and after a certain amount of time,

739
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: they become incredibly competitive under a national brand to do

740
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Speaker 1: exactly what you do, and the government there will favor

741
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the national brands over foreigners, and sooner or later you

742
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: find yourself squeezed out of the market you thought was

743
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: enormous and key to your long term growth. So there's

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Speaker 1: been over the last twenty five to thirty years, there's

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Speaker 1: been a number of big companies and some small entrepreneurs

746
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: that have literally had their lunch eaten by the Chinese

747
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: this way, over and over and over. The first few

748
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: times people can say, oh, this is just working the

749
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: kinks out, and there's some winners and some losers. But

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Speaker 1: this is a long term pattern now where entire companies

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Speaker 1: get engulfed, major technologies get overtaken, and some of these

752
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: technologies are critical to our vital infrastructure, like five G

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00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: technology and cellular communications and lots of semiconductor parts in

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00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: everything that's in the technology that we live our lives,

755
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: relying upon for security, but also everyday commerce and just

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Speaker 1: getting around town. This is now a vital part of

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00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: our economy, and the Chinese have really taken a huge

758
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: stake in it, and now it's difficult to do something

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00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: to push back. So President Trump's got obviously a lot

760
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: of criticism regarding his approach on trade, a little bit

761
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: less on China, you know, more on you know, regarding

762
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: surrounding NAFTA in Mexico and Canada. But staying on trade,

763
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: do you think, I mean, what other approach does President

764
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: Trump have then to try to if he's trying to

765
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Speaker 1: extract concessions from China, if he's trying to get them

766
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: to lay off the intellectual property threft theft outside of tariffs,

767
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, what other options are available to President Trump

768
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: and trying to kind of lay the hammer down on China. Well,

769
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: some of what he's done broadly on trade, while not

770
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: directly targeting China, I think has had an impact on

771
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: negotiations with China and the reality to deal with them.

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00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: Number one, the successor agreement to NaSTA had Canada and

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00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Mexico agree to conditions that Chinese can't go make a

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00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: favorable agreement with one or the other of them and

775
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: sneak their way in their goods or services into the

776
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Speaker 1: United States and bypass our own laws, in our own

777
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: restrictions for security or other conditions, and so eliminating a

778
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: NaSTA loophole that gave Chinese an unfair advantage by way

779
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: of NaSTA had an impact on their economic strategy. Also

780
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: recalibrating the trade relationship and our alliance structure with Europe.

781
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: At first, everyone said the sky is going to fall,

782
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: this is going to wreck the world. But what it

783
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: turned out was not only could these things be done

784
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: that people said were impossible, but an increasing number of

785
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: our alliances openly in many cases but even more so privately,

786
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: are saying we two want a rebalancing of China's behavior

787
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: on security, on unfair trade practices. The feeling of intellectual

788
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: property affects a lot of interest around the world. So

789
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of quiet cheerleaders behind the administration's approach

790
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: to try to tackle these issues with China. And frankly,

791
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: there's no precedent. No leader in the world, not just

792
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the United States, has really tried to pressure the Chinese

793
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: to reverse this trend to date, and so any progress

794
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: Trump gets is the first in the world. How much

795
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: pressure is China feeling right now? I read a CNBC

796
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: article saying that China's growth could be slowed about point

797
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: six percent I think next year regarding are due to

798
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: the tariffs. You know, how much pressure economically is China

799
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Speaker 1: facing right now? Much more than statistics would let us know.

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Speaker 1: Number One, there's a longstanding issue of how accurate are

801
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Chinese statistics, given that they are done by organizations controlled

802
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: by officers of the Communist Party of China. And the

803
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: other part of it is, for the United States, it's

804
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: an infinitesimal fraction of our GDP is tied to trade

805
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: with China, and for China it's getting up into the

806
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: single digits, which sounds small to a lot of people,

807
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: but that is like a hundred times more impactful on

808
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: their GDP their trade with US than our trade with

809
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: them is for the US GDP. So, in a very

810
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: real way, there's economic pressure that is disproportionately on China

811
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: that it is on the United States. Now, the industries

812
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: in the US that are affected farmers primarily, but not

813
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: limited to them, they have real pain, They had some uncertainty,

814
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: and I think the administration and Congress have tried to

815
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: address it. But we should be under no mistake, and

816
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: I hope the President's team is under no mistake. The

817
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: pressure is much more on China, and the time to

818
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: get your advantage is now. Will they're under pressure, don't

819
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: get them up for air and hope that they'll be

820
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: nice to you after this pressure has been put on them.

821
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: So let's talk about, you know, kind of same question

822
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: regarding at the United States. How much pressure is the

823
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: United States economy in effect with China and the retalitary

824
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: tariffs that they've put on us, And if this is

825
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: the long haul, how much damage or how much pain

826
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: are Americans going to feel? Well, certainly there are some

827
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Speaker 1: sectors that have put all their eggs in the China basket.

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Speaker 1: I think soybeans is one of those that comes to mind,

829
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: but hey, and some other commodities that affect agricultural state disproportionately,

830
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: there's going to be long term impact. Now. Part of

831
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: the Buenos Aires G twenty agreement was that the Chinese

832
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: are committed to increase purchases of those kinds of commodities,

833
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: and so we'll see whether that helps mitigate the longer

834
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: term uncertainty about this. But there's two kinds of pressure

835
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: that are going to come to play. One is economic

836
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: and the other is political. The political press pressure is

837
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: frankly a bit more mixed. The President's approach is more

838
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: Main Street than Wall Street, and frankly, there are elements

839
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: of the new Democrat majority in the Congress that has

840
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: a history of being more sympathetic to the trade policy

841
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: of the president has been pushing than his own majority

842
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: in recent years has and so the politics of this

843
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: are definitely mixed. The Wall Street versus Main Street part

844
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: of this, I think is the most important part of

845
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty. And that Electoral College coalition that

846
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wrote to victory in twenty sixteen, that is

847
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: a belt of manufacturing that wants to see a rejuvenation

848
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: of work here and sees China as an unfair player,

849
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: and so I think that that's going to remain solidly

850
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: behind him. So there's the economic pressure, and I think

851
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: Wall Street will keep and that's going to be hard

852
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: for the administration, but I think Main Street is going

853
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: to mostly be supportive of this direction continuing. So let's

854
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: talk about the politics a little bit. You know, you

855
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: obviously mentioned the incoming Democrat House. How much does that

856
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: impact is that dynamics also with the Republican led state

857
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: majority one and looking at the renegotiated NAFTA deal essentially

858
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: and then to potentially any sort of deal with China. Well,

859
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that the Democrat majority is going to be

860
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: very skeptical of deals with China, and the Republican majority

861
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: probably balance would be inclined towards a more mainstream or

862
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: conventional approach to trade and dealing with China on balance,

863
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: But the combo of an administration engaged in these kind

864
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: of negotiations of their party and then needing to try

865
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: to meet common ground. I mean, trade legislation has to

866
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: come out of the House because usually it's dealing with taxes, revenue, tariffs,

867
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: things like that, And so there's going to have to

868
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: be piped bipartisan work to get something actually inked, But

869
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: I think the politics of it actually favor the President

870
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: and getting coalition in the House. If that happens, I

871
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: think the Senate would be hard pressed try to stand away. Although,

872
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: as you've witnessed as well as anyone, the Senate is

873
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: the body in which any one person can stand up

874
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: at grandstand frankly, at any moment and bring things to

875
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: a halt. And so that's just something we live with

876
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: on every issue going forward. Right, all right, Stephen, thank

877
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, and I really appreciate

878
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: your insight on this. Have a great one. Thanks. Would

879
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: you be willing to support some degree of wall funding

880
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: if you got a permanent bona fide solution on back No,

881
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: that would approve one point three at least a million

882
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: for the border fence, correct and not necessarily because that's

883
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: what it was last year. So if you just extend

884
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: that again, wouldn't that cause a problem. I mean, it

885
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: depends on how you spending money. It's border security as

886
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: about order security, but within that there was money for

887
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: the fence as well. Well, you're trying to better fence,

888
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: You're not trying to be a wall. Now, speaking for myself,

889
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: consider the wall immoral, ineffective, expensive, and President said he

890
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: promised it. He also promised Mexico would pay for it.

891
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: So even if they did, Smarl still and then they're

892
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: not going to pay for us. Soon to be Speaker Pelosi,

893
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: which I really hate saying that. That is just really

894
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: depressing that she's going to be the incoming Speaker of

895
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: the House. Democrats obviously took control of the House, and

896
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: this is what President Trump is going to be met with. Well,

897
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Democrats aren't going to support the wall. Nancy Pelosi doesn't

898
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: want to play ball. There are going to continue standing

899
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: in the way of President Trump and his efforts to

900
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: try to build a wall on the southern border. And look,

901
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: the only reason why he wants the walls, he wants

902
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: it to serve as a deterrent from illegal activity at

903
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: the southern border. And we're seeing right now why that

904
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: is needed. When we saw most recently a thousand migrants

905
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: in this caravan illegally trying to rush the southern border,

906
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: and of course they were met by customs and Border

907
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: patrol agents with tear gas because they were trying to

908
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: illegally cross into the United States and break the law.

909
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: And the problem is we're going to continue to see

910
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: these caravans of migrants coming and trying to exploit or

911
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: laws if we don't change things. If one we don't

912
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: increase border security, in two, if we don't change laws

913
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: in relation to immigration, particularly looking at things like asylum laws. Look,

914
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: the reality is that these Central Americans coming over to

915
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: seek asylum in the United States, eighty nine percent are

916
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: going to pass that initial tests. Only nine percent are

917
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: actually going to be granted asylum in immigration court. Think

918
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: about those numbers. Almost ninety percent will pass the first test.

919
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: That's how easy that initial interview is, that initial threshold,

920
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: that initial bar to that they're trying to pass is

921
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: and only nine percent will actually be granted an immigration court.

922
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: That is troubling. If that doesn't tell you that our

923
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: laws need to be changed, I don't know what does.

924
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: And also another thing that really irks me is the

925
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of the left when it comes to President Trump's

926
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: calls for a border role. If you remember back in

927
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, Democrats like Diane find Stein Ron

928
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: why even Obama, Biden, and Clinton all voted in favor

929
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: of a border fence in two thousand and six. Yet

930
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: those same people, You've got Hillary Clinton basically, you know,

931
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: she made fun of President Drop in his desire for

932
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: a wall. You had Democrats at the time saying, like

933
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: Senator Diane Feinstein saying that they are solidly behind border security.

934
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: Well where are they now? But you know what, I'm

935
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: going to talk to Center for Immigration Studies are Arthur

936
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: about all of this asylum, what is happening at the

937
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: southern border with this caravan. He's going to break it

938
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: all down for us. He's Center for Immigration Studies. We're

939
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: going to talk to him about the asylum. We're going

940
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: to talk to him him about the wall, and we're

941
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: also going to talk to him about this other really

942
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: interesting story that's going on right now, this Honduras woman

943
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: who crossed over into the southern border, jump the wall

944
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: to have a baby in the United States. We're also

945
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: going to talk to him about birthright citizenship and if

946
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: it needs to end, you're gonna want to stay tuned.

947
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. It's going to be a great interview.

948
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton's Show. Lisa Booth filling

949
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: in for him. We've got Art Arthur of Center for

950
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: Immigration Studies. He is a resident fellow for both law

951
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: and policy. We're going to talk to him about what

952
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: the latest with the caravan and what's going on at

953
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: the southern border. Art, how are you, I'll do great.

954
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm doing well, all right,

955
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: So I wanted to get your take. So there's some

956
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: headlines today regarding adoran woman who scaled the border wall

957
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: to have a child in the United States. So it's

958
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: sort of ignited this debate which we've already seen, really

959
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: regarding birthrights citizenship. President Trump talked about it during the campaign.

960
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: He sort of recently talked about it as well. So

961
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, what does this tell us about the problems

962
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: with birthrights citizenship From your vantage point, well, birthrights citizenship

963
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: at least has become a magnet that draws individuals to

964
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: the United States in order to give birth. And you

965
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: look at this specific example and quite frankly, it points

966
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: out everything that's wrong with it. One, the woman had

967
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: an incentive the United States. I think that she referred

968
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: to it as your big reward for making it to

969
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: the United States is giving birth to a child in

970
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: this country too. She was eight months pregnant at the

971
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: time that she actually gave birth, she took a perilous

972
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: journey to the United States and again entered illegally, putting

973
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: not only her life but the life of her unborn

974
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: child in danger. So the fact is that, you know,

975
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: this is a prime example of everything that is wrong

976
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: with birthright citizenship. It encourages people to enter the United

977
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: States illegally, to undertake the arduous journey to come to

978
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: this country, and then it gives people an incentive to

979
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: enter the United States have United States children equities that

980
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: will make it probably next to impossible to remove her

981
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: from the United States at the end of the day.

982
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: So when President Trump was talking about ending birthright citizenship,

983
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: he got a lot of flaks. Some were saying that

984
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: it's going to take a constitutional amendment. Where are you

985
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: on that debate, and what legally would it take to

986
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: end birthright citizenship. Well, the leading case on this issue

987
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: is a case called Wang kim Arc, which is more

988
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: than one hundred and I think twenty years old, interpreting

989
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and Wan kim Ark

990
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: involved an individual whose parents were actually permanent residents of

991
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: the United States and Wan kim Arc was born in

992
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: this country, and his argument was that he was a

993
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: citizen under the fourteenth Amendment. And so even if you

994
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: accepted face value, you know, Wan kim mark the idea

995
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: that a child born of permanent residents is automatically a

996
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: citizen of the United States. There's still the question of

997
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: whether or not individuals who are not who were born

998
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: to individuals who were here illegally, not under the jurisdiction

999
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: of the United States and fourteenth Amendment, would be citizens.

1000
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I think that there is an argument to

1001
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: be made. In addition, there was a very strong descent

1002
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: in wan kim Arc that said that the case was

1003
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: decided wrongly. Was decided very much according to British common

1004
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: law and the idea of sovereignty and allegiance, many ideas

1005
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: that were rejected at the founding of this republic. So one,

1006
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe that won key mark is quite as

1007
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: broad as people say it is. And two I think

1008
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: it was wrongly decided. But the fact is that there

1009
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: hasn't been a case that's challenged it in the intervening

1010
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: more than a century. I believe it was Senator Lindsay

1011
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: Graham who said that he was going to introduce legislation

1012
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: to end birthright citizenship. Do you know where Congress is

1013
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: on this issue right now, and do you know what

1014
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: the latest is with what Senator Lindsay Graham said. I

1015
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: do not. I have not seen a bill that would

1016
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: actually end birthright citizenship. I think the Wall Act, which

1017
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: was introduced by a variety of senators, actually does have

1018
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: some legislation that does that, and Senator Graham maybe one

1019
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: of the maybe one of the senators that's involved in

1020
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: that Act. But again, I believe that this is something

1021
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: that could be done by congressional enactment. It's going to

1022
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: have to go to the Supreme Court. But I think

1023
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: that this particular Supreme Court would probably look at, you know,

1024
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: that case on the principles on which it was based,

1025
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and would you know, in accordance with h you know,

1026
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: the founding documents of this country, and I think that

1027
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: we have a lot of original is sitting on the

1028
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: court right now, would probably disagree with the decision in

1029
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Wan Kim Mark. And I think that it would that

1030
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: if the Congress were to pass legislation that would change

1031
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: birthright citizenship, that it would probably survive Congressional Review. The

1032
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: only problem is that the clock is running out. I

1033
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: really don't expect Speaker Pelosi to be introducing any legislation

1034
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: to that effect um in one hundred and sixteenth Congress.

1035
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: So quite frankly, the door is closing quickly for a

1036
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: change to be made. So the woman from Honduras, who

1037
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, scale the fense to to have the baby,

1038
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: she said that her and her family are looking for

1039
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: family reunification and clumb this Ohio. They've got some family there.

1040
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: But that doesn't kind of speak to the and they're

1041
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: seeking asylum just for the listeners at home, does this

1042
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of speak to what's wrong with our asylum system

1043
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: right now? In the sense that you know, all the

1044
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: most of the media, mainstream media, they say, look, these

1045
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: people are coming over. You know, they're fleeing the conditions

1046
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: in Central America. But isn't there also this other large

1047
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: component about it, where it's it's family reunification that they're

1048
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: seeking here in the United States, and it's also economic opportunities. Absolutely,

1049
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: And it's important to note that, you know, the fact

1050
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: is we have a higher standard of living than almost

1051
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: every country in the world. The vast majority of individuals

1052
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: I believe is given the opportunity to live in the

1053
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: United States. In fact, would plus because we've had temporary

1054
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: protected status, perhaps one of the biggest misnomers in immigration law,

1055
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: from Honduras and from El Salvador for more than fifteen years.

1056
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: We have a large population of people from those countries

1057
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: living in the United States. And that's a drawing fact

1058
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: for individuals who are from those countries. They want to

1059
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: reunify with their family members, they want to have better

1060
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: schools for their kids, they want to have better hospitals

1061
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: for themselves and their children, they want to have more

1062
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: economic opportunities. Again, that's perfectly understandable. The problem is it's

1063
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: just not legal. The credible fear standard, which is the

1064
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: screening standard that's used by customs and Border Protection are

1065
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: used by US citizenship and immigration services at the border

1066
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: for people who enter illegally is very low. It's deliberately low,

1067
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: and for the better part of nine years, only about

1068
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: five thousand people claimed credible fear and guide into the

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Speaker 1: United States. But work out around that, if you did

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Speaker 1: claim credible fear that you had about an eighty to

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Speaker 1: ninety percent chance of being allowed into the United States.

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Speaker 1: And then being released. In fact, that's what happened to Missernandez,

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Speaker 1: the mother of the child. She and her family were

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Speaker 1: released on Sunday. And let me just give you a

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Speaker 1: fact that puts this into relief. If you were detained,

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Speaker 1: your case will be finished in about forty days. If

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Speaker 1: you're not detained, your case will take an average of

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Speaker 1: eight years. So probably Misser Nandez and her husband and

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Speaker 1: her now two children and however many more children she

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Speaker 1: will have, will probably be in the United States indefinitely

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Speaker 1: if she ever leaves. So what percentage of those individuals,

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Speaker 1: you know, looking more at the eight year mark, do

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Speaker 1: they end up showing up an immigration court or where

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Speaker 1: do they go? The vast majority of the asylum claims

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Speaker 1: get denied. A significant number of them failed to file

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Speaker 1: asylum applications at all, and then a larger percentage of

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Speaker 1: them either fail to show up for court or failed

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Speaker 1: to appear for their asylum hearing. So only about fifty

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Speaker 1: three percent of them ever file an asylum application, and

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Speaker 1: the denial rate for those cases is higher than seventy

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Speaker 1: percent at the end of the day. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you get the sense then, obviously based on you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the things you just said, that these people

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Speaker 1: that are coming here from Central America that they have

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Speaker 1: an understanding of how to game the system absolutely, and again,

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Speaker 1: you know, this seems to be a fact that is

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Speaker 1: lost on the press. They know that if they come

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Speaker 1: with children, that they're going to get released after twenty

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Speaker 1: days under the Flores Settlement Agreement. They know that if

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Speaker 1: they claim credible fear, the odds are they're going to

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Speaker 1: be allowed into the United States even if they don't

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Speaker 1: have an asylum claim. They know that if they're children,

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Speaker 1: if they show up, that they're going to be released

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Speaker 1: over to HHS with them two days. So these are

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Speaker 1: all things that we want to dissuade people from doing.

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Speaker 1: About ten percent of all women who make the perilous

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Speaker 1: journey from Central America to Mexico or sexually assaulted. About

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Speaker 1: two thirds of all of the individuals who make that

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Speaker 1: journey are assaulted in one way or another, and that's

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Speaker 1: according to Doctors Without Borders. That's not a statistic from

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Speaker 1: the United States government. So, you know, it's an amazingly

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Speaker 1: perilous journey that we want to encourage people not to undertake. Plus,

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Speaker 1: you know, we want to have respect for our own laws.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that when people in Honduras, Guatemala

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Speaker 1: and I'll Salvador see people like Misernadas get into the

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Speaker 1: United States, give birth and get released, it just encourages

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Speaker 1: more people to come. So can I because the approach

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Speaker 1: of the mainstream media is a fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: they're concerned about the humanitarian aspect of what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Central America, and you know, these individuals, these migrants,

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Speaker 1: and you know some illegal immigrants that are trying to

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Speaker 1: cross the border illegally coming over to the United States.

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Speaker 1: Why then do we never hear about the aspect that

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned, about the dangerous journey and what happens

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Speaker 1: along the way. Why is that never discussed? And if

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Speaker 1: the media is so concerned about the humanitarian conditions, why

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Speaker 1: don't they talk about that? Well, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: funny because under President Obama, when he was faced with

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Speaker 1: a similar situation in two thou fourteen, both NPR and

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Speaker 1: National Geographic if you can imagine, spoke about the dangers,

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Speaker 1: and I've written about the articles that they wrote. Then

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Speaker 1: in fact, they talked about a specific pharmacy in all

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Speaker 1: tars to Nora, where women would go to get birth

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Speaker 1: control because of the high likelihood that they would be

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Speaker 1: raped on the journey to the United States. And yet

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Speaker 1: for some reason, that part of the story gets lost.

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Speaker 1: Now all we see is the crying little girl next

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Speaker 1: to the border patrol agent and the pink sweater. Now

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Speaker 1: all we see is the mother dragging the two children,

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Speaker 1: one without shoes, one wearing a diaper, away from the

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Speaker 1: tear gas canister. And I think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: that has to do with the way that the media

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01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: feels about the president. Any stick is a good stick

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Speaker 1: to beat Donald Trump with. I think they believe and

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: they figure that hard tugging pictures of small children, babies

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Speaker 1: born in the United States are effective tools to use

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. And that's why I think we see

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Speaker 1: this and why we don't hear about how lawful that

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Speaker 1: journey is. ICE has attempted to put out statistics about this,

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Speaker 1: but by and large, nobody ever writes about them. And

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Speaker 1: the governments of those three countries encouraged their nationals not

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Speaker 1: to leave, but they leave anyway. Well, So one thing

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Speaker 1: I found interesting about the imagery that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: When there was you know, I think about a thousand,

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Speaker 1: this might be two weekends ago, now where you know,

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Speaker 1: you had the almost a thousand immigrants trying to rush

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Speaker 1: the southern border, and that was the image that you

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Speaker 1: talked about in The Washington Post reported about why everyone

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Speaker 1: was so focused on that picture, and they did it

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Speaker 1: because they thought it contradicted the narrative it came from

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Speaker 1: the White House. But one thing that I found interesting

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Speaker 1: about it is that the children didn't have shoes in

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Speaker 1: the photo. But it's my understanding that at these shelters

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Speaker 1: in Mexico where they came from, that they do have

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Speaker 1: shoes and clothing available. Is that correct? That's correct, And

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Speaker 1: the fact is that you know, this was a family

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Speaker 1: that had made the journey. I believe they were from Honduras,

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Speaker 1: and I believe again there was father in Louisiana for

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Speaker 1: the two children. So and they were attempting to breach

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Speaker 1: a rusty border fence that had accordion wire on the

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Speaker 1: other side. I really am not one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 1: what that woman was thinking about putting children into that situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm a parent, I had children that I had a

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Speaker 1: child at age once upon a time, and if I

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Speaker 1: were to attempt to rush toward police officers with Ryan

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Speaker 1: gear on and a rusty fence and accordion wire. I'd

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Speaker 1: probably be arrested for child endangerment. I certainly wouldn't end

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Speaker 1: up with my picture splashed all over the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: Well and also not yeah, not to mention the fact

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Speaker 1: what they were doing was illegal in trying to cross

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Speaker 1: the border illegally. But I'm glad that you had mentioned

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Speaker 1: that because I do think that the way the media

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Speaker 1: paints this just sort of tells everyone everything they need

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Speaker 1: to know about where the mainstream is coming. Mainstream media

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Speaker 1: is coming from it just in their buys about the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration and immigration at large. But or we've got

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Speaker 1: to get going. But thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us tonight. I really appreciate your insight on this very

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Speaker 1: hopeful Thank you for have a great night. Or you've

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Speaker 1: got Lisa Booth filling in for Buck sex Sin tonight

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Speaker 1: you're listening to the Buck Sexton Show. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for staying with us. So I want to play this

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Speaker 1: clip for you about President Trump talking about Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about it. Take a listen.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna cover polka hotas. Who is thank of it?

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Speaker 1: Thank of it? She of the great tribal heritage. What

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Speaker 1: tribe is it? Let me think about that. One meantimes

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Speaker 1: she's based her life on being a minority polka hotas.

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Speaker 1: They always want me to apologize for saying it, and

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Speaker 1: I hereby, Oh no, I want to apologize. I'll use

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Speaker 1: tonight polka hots. I apologize to you. I apologize to you.

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Speaker 1: I apologize to the fake polka hunt this. I won't

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Speaker 1: a vote. Now it's causing her problems. You know that

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Speaker 1: name is called because now even the liberals are saying,

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Speaker 1: take a test, take a test. You know the I

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Speaker 1: tell you, I shouldn't tell you because I like not

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Speaker 1: to give away secrets. But this one, let's say I'm

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Speaker 1: debating pocahunt this right, I promise you all do this.

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Speaker 1: I will take you know those little kids, they saw

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Speaker 1: them television for two dollars, learn your heritage. Guy says

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Speaker 1: I was born in Scotland. It turns out he was

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Speaker 1: born in Puerto Rico. And that's okay, it's good. You know.

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Speaker 1: Guy says I was born in Germany. Well he wasn't

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Speaker 1: born in Germany. He was born someplace. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get one of those little kids and in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the debate when she proclaims that she's of Indian

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Speaker 1: heritage because her mother said she has high cheek boats

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Speaker 1: that's her only evidence that her mother said she had

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Speaker 1: high cheek book. We will take that little kid and say,

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Speaker 1: but we have to do it gently, because when the

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Speaker 1: meat two generations, you have to be very gentle. And

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Speaker 1: we will very gently take that kid and we will

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Speaker 1: slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure

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Speaker 1: her arm, even though it only ways probably two ounces,

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Speaker 1: and we will say, I will give you a million

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Speaker 1: dollars to your favorite charity, paid for it by chump

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Speaker 1: if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, come on, that's hilarious. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if you like President Trump or not, but you

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Speaker 1: can't not laugh at that. It's pretty funny. Well, turns

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Speaker 1: out to remember that response in President Trump making fun

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Speaker 1: of Elizabeth Warren calling her pokehonas prompted her not too

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Speaker 1: long ago to take a DNA test. You know, this

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Speaker 1: was her moment to prove to everyone that she hasn't

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Speaker 1: been lying of her about her heritage. She hasn't been

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Speaker 1: taking advantage of structural or structural advantages in her career

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Speaker 1: as a result. But turned out whole release ended up

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Speaker 1: being a massive joke, and what we found out was

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Speaker 1: that Elizabeth Warren is actually probably less Native American than

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Speaker 1: the average US white person. So she did this whole

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Speaker 1: rollout is a five minute video. You know, she really

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Speaker 1: thought that this was just going to clear her name,

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Speaker 1: and instead it ended up hurting her. And so today

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Speaker 1: word around the street from New York Times is that

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. They have the article titled Elizabeth Warren stands

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Speaker 1: by a DNA test, but around her worries about and

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Speaker 1: so essentially word on the street is these Democrat operatives

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Speaker 1: are really worried that Elizabeth Warren potentially had ended her

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Speaker 1: own career be our presidential ambitions before they even got started.

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Speaker 1: You know what I even remembered when this happened. My

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01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: first thought was she's done because she just embarrassed herself

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Speaker 1: so bad by doing this rollout and actually inevitably ended

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Speaker 1: up hurting her more than helping her own case. And

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Speaker 1: it's also kind of hilarious what President Trump is able

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Speaker 1: to push Democrats into doing end up stepping in their

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Speaker 1: own way, hurting themselves and potentially limited herself from the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty field. So I found that interesting. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to share it with you. Welcome back to the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Lisa Booth in for him. We've got Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly on the line, and he is the host of

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Speaker 1: ninety ninety point fifty KPRC radio station. Jesse, So, you

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Speaker 1: recently made some headlines inadvertently and not intentionally when Twitter

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Speaker 1: banned you. Did you ever find out why Twitter banned you?

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:34,480
Speaker 1: You know, the headlines or headlines be getting quote permanently

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Speaker 1: banned from Twitter. And now my name was training nationwide

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Speaker 1: no matter what, I'll take it now, I don't, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I don't care. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really do not care. I didn't care that much

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Speaker 1: to begin with. It's social media to run by leftists,

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Speaker 1: and it's just something we all have to watch out

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Speaker 1: for on the right. Right, all right, Well, let's get into,

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Speaker 1: you know, some more stuffs into this stuff. So I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed your column in The Federalists, and it's why

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Speaker 1: the right should start taking Alexandria Cossio Kurtz seriously. And

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Speaker 1: I find it interesting because I am one of those people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you hear are some of the things she says.

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Speaker 1: You see some of the things she tweeted out. I

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Speaker 1: mean she honestly thought that she signed law or legislation

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Speaker 1: into law, which is obviously not the job of Congress.

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Speaker 1: So it's really easy to kind of see these things.

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Speaker 1: Here's some of the things she says and just automatically

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Speaker 1: dismiss her. But you say we should not, why because

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Speaker 1: it actually makes her more endearing Because elections are not

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Speaker 1: about It's not about you, Lisa, it's not about me.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the political pundits who who pay attention,

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Speaker 1: or even people who maybe don't have a platform, but

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Speaker 1: people who pay attention. Those people know how they're going

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Speaker 1: to vote. I guarantee you the next guy, we know

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Speaker 1: how we're voting in the next election. Elections are about

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Speaker 1: the common man. They always have been. The guy who votes,

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: but he kind of pays attention, he kind of doesn't.

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: And in this day and age, in the social media age,

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: it's all about charm and appeal and it's a big

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: reason why Trump is president. And yeah, makes the idiotic

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Speaker 1: guests and I'm not defending them. Obviously, the things she says, or,

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01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: don't I get that. But what the right does is

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01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: we pile on Or and pile on Or and pile

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: on Or. We attack her as an idiot, and what

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: we do is we make her a martyr to her

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: supporters and also the common man thinks, well, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that either, Bob. I guarantee many people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought they did sign it into law. Well, where

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: I ever't want to make in front of her, stop

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: being such a chair. Plus, I mean, she's pretty. That matters.

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Speaker 1: She's she's charismatic, she's good with the camera. She has

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01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: more appeal than people think. How do you think her

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: policies play in the public. Obviously she's talking about you know,

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: single player healthcare systems, these things with huge price tags.

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: But do you think that matters to the average voter.

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Speaker 1: I think some it does, some it doesn't. But I

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: don't think socialism, especially if you look at like the

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01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders versus Donald Trump hypothetical numbers from twenty sixteen,

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: Sanders crush Trump by double digits, and almost all of them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: things are going okay now, but I don't think socialism

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Speaker 1: as a whole. Is that unappealing to the American public

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01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: not nearly unappealing as it should be. Socialism is That's

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Speaker 1: why I wrote the article Socialism is frightening. It's killed

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01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: more people than Nazism or racism, Radiism's combined. It's a

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: frightening thing in America is not as far from it

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Speaker 1: as those of us on the right would like to believe. Well,

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Speaker 1: and so what's the best way for conservatives to fight that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at some of these polling and

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Speaker 1: you know the way younger Americans view socialism, and it's

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Speaker 1: pretty terrifying. So you know what's the best way then

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01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: for Republicans to push back on that? For conservatives to

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01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: push back. That's not necessarily going after younger Americans. Younger

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Speaker 1: Americans as far as voters don't, they don't matter. Everybody

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Speaker 1: talks about younger people are always socialists, they're always democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's that old Winston Churchill line. If you're under thirty

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Speaker 1: and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: over thirty and not a conservative, you have no brain.

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Speaker 1: They'll come around as soon as they start bringing paychecks in.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to a candidate like Cortez, attack

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Speaker 1: the ideas, that's fine. Break down the mask. That's fine,

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01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: but constantly braging her with this your a moron, She's

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: an idiot, she's so stupid. What that does is it

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: personalizes it for people who maybe lukewarm supporters of hers. Well,

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01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I kind of liked her, and now

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01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: you're calling her an idiot. Now you're kind of calling

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: me an idiot. It's the same thing the left has

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: done with Trump. All of the criticisms of Trump are

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: so personal. Trump's supporters take them personally, they take them

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Speaker 1: on themselves, and so it's made him even more powerful.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, do you think that

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,440
Speaker 1: conservatives do a good enough job in sort of articulating

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01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 1: why her policy suck? No, But then again, it's harder

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: to do that in this social media world. I mean

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: it is a Twitter world, Facebook, Instagram, and people don't

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01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: like to accept that. But those things are extremely powerful now,

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,919
Speaker 1: and so it's snarky, it's one hundred and forty characters,

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01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: it's get it in and get it out, and it

1352
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: very rarely do you have some was a tension span

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: long enough to break down why it stinks? And that's

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: something we do need to get better at home. Well,

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: and so you mentioned in your column you've spoken about

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: this as well of that. You know, relatability is so important. Now.

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Speaker 1: We saw that be an issue with Hillary Clinton. I

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: remember even David axel Rod was pointing out the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, she people couldn't relate to her, the fact

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Speaker 1: that everything came out of her mouth through a political

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: lens that you know, it was part of the reason

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Speaker 1: that hurt her. So, you know, taking that into account

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Speaker 1: and a looking ahead at twenty twenty, what do you

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Speaker 1: see from the left in terms of what the Democrat

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 1: primary field's going to look like? It's gonna be beato.

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Speaker 1: I would I said he was running against I told everybody,

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Speaker 1: I said, he's not even running for senate here in Texas.

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Speaker 1: He's running for president. He always has been running for president.

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Speaker 1: You don't take those hard left positions in Texas that

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Speaker 1: expect to win. But he did set himself up nationally.

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Speaker 1: He has charisma, he has a national name idea now

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Speaker 1: and I'm tony he's going to boat race the entire

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Speaker 1: Democratic field. Besides maybe Harry. I mean, you think he's

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Speaker 1: just gonna you know what was he on the skateboard

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Speaker 1: across the presidential debate stage. And that's my point, Les,

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Speaker 1: Like you saw that, and I saw that, and I

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: rugged my eyes about rolled into the back of land.

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: Now what is this idiocy? But we have to remember

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: we did that a lot to Barack Obama when he

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: was running, too, and the things he would do in

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: the way people fell in love with it. People loved

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: that stupid skateboard thing. They love the little dumb things

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: Beto does. So we can't dismiss it because we think

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01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: it's stupid. The left loves him and the guy hands

1385
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: it's whatever it is, and it doesn't pay to deny it.

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01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: Trump had it and the left denied it. Obama had it,

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01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: the right denied it. There's always a guy, there's always

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: a superstar out there. We like to roll our eyes

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: at and call an idiot or call all these other things.

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the guy has something. And I

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: think Trump still beats him, but you watch him come

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: back and win in twenty twenty four. But see, you

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 1: think he can make his way through a crowded primary

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Speaker 1: hill dank. So I think you know what we're looking

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Speaker 1: at right now is nix eatingly. I mean, there's been

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Speaker 1: a couple contenders in recent days saying that you know

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Speaker 1: they're not going to run, but right now it looks

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: like it's still going to be a pretty big primary field.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so you think he's able to break through

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Speaker 1: the with the Kamal Harris's and the Corey Bookers of

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Speaker 1: the world, Well, Booker, There's no way Booker is going

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Speaker 1: to do it. He just doesn't have what it takes.

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Speaker 1: Harris would be the only one I would say that

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Speaker 1: would compete with Beto because she has the looks, she's

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01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: really good, she speaks really well. Obviously former district attorney,

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01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: so she knows what she's talking about him. I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with any of her policies, but I think Beto

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: crushes them all. I mean, yes, it will be a

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Speaker 1: crowded field, but you see who there rolling out. It's

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Speaker 1: a crowded field of a bunch of old, boring white people.

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Speaker 1: Those are not people who are going to energize the

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Speaker 1: Democratic base. It's just not well. Jesse, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We will be looking ahead in the

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Speaker 1: coming months here to see if he ends up throwing

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Lisa Booth in for him tonight. I

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Speaker 1: want to play you this interview that Buck did yesterday

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Speaker 1: with Greg Jarrett, the author of the Russia hoax. And

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Speaker 1: essentially what Greg is saying it runs contradictory to what

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Speaker 1: a lot of the mainstream media is saying about the

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Speaker 1: Flynn's Michael Flynn's cooperation with Muller, that it actually is

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Speaker 1: good for President Trump, because a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: saying that, you know, Trump has done this is really

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Speaker 1: bad for the president. So why don't you take a

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Speaker 1: listen to the interview? What do you make of this

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Speaker 1: latest series of events this week? Is it? Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the Flynn no jail time but substantial cooperation. What

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Speaker 1: do you see in those documents? What's it all telling you? Well,

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Speaker 1: the word cooperation is one of those wonderfully fungible terms.

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Speaker 1: Cooperation can simply mean he agreed to talk to us

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Speaker 1: immediately and try to be as forthcoming as he possibly could.

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01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that he actually was able to provide

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Speaker 1: anything that is incriminating whatsoever towards Donald Trump in this

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01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:31,520
Speaker 1: so called collusion investigation. Collusions also, you know this amorphous

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Speaker 1: crime that doesn't really exist in the criminal codes. Is

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01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: it some sort of conspiracy coordination with Russians. Well, this

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Speaker 1: memo reveals none of that, and in fact just the opposite.

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: The memo itself makes no mention of collusion. The addendum,

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Speaker 1: which is roughly five pages long, is heavily redacted, but

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Speaker 1: you can tell from how it's laid out and set

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Speaker 1: up two things that Flynn offered assistance on two subjects. First,

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Speaker 1: he contributed something that's unidentified in a criminal case not

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Speaker 1: handled by the Special Council, So that tells us it's

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01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: not directly collusion related because it's handled not by Muller. Second,

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Speaker 1: Flynn seems to have answered questions about the Trump transition

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Speaker 1: teams conversations with foreign governments, including Russia. But that can't

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Speaker 1: be collusion either to win the election, because the election

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Speaker 1: was already over. So it's a bit of a mystery

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Speaker 1: as to what is contained in the redactions. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's evident to me and others that there's not

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Speaker 1: much evidence of collusion being provided by Flynn and what

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Speaker 1: do you take from the lack of any I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had a few people already go down for the

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Speaker 1: process crimes of lying during the course of an investigation

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Speaker 1: about no actual criminal conduct, right, Papadopoulos, Alexander Zuan. There's

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Speaker 1: been a few of them. Papadappolis got two weeks. Flynn

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01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: looks like it's gonna get nothing. Do you do you

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Speaker 1: gauge that more as a function of Mueller thinking that

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Speaker 1: the cooperation was just so exceptional, or is that also

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Speaker 1: Mueller maybe not wanting to kick the hornet's nest even more?

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Speaker 1: Because I think people realized that the FBI did Flynn

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Speaker 1: dirty on this one. I mean, this was this was

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Speaker 1: a setup. I mean, there was a classify the week

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Speaker 1: and then the claim of the Logan Act to get

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01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: this whole thing going. I mean, this is as as

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01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: much a coordinated political hit as anything I can think of.

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01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: Flynn should never have been prosecuted by Robert Muller and

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01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: his assembled team of partisans. Why Because the FBI agents

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01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: who interviewed Flynn concluded that he was telling the truth.

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01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 1: That was confirmed by both James Comey and his debuty

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01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: Andrew McCabe when they were interviewed by congressional investigators. The

1494
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: truth is, had Robert Muller been forced to prove his

1495
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: case against Flynn and Chord, he would have lost. He

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01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: probably would have lost the case against Popadopoulis as well.

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01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: Why because the law requires that a false statement be

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01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: made willfully and knowingly. That's a very difficult thing to prove.

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: If somebody's recollection of a conversation happens to be different

1500
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: than a transcript of the conversation, or different than how

1501
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: the FBI or Muller interprets it, that's not a crime.

1502
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: But you know, Muller applied enormous pressure on Flynn to

1503
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: admit to lying, when in fact Flynn never lied, and

1504
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: in fact, Flynn became broke trying to pay his legal fees.

1505
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: And what was really unconscionable is that Muller threatened to prosecute,

1506
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: based on no evidence, Flynn's own son. So Flynn finally

1507
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: surrendered under the intense emotional strain in monetary pressures, which

1508
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: is really a shame. It's wrong, it's unconscionable for Mueller

1509
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: to behave that way. Now, the Cohen PLA also got

1510
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: some attention this week. What what what can you tell

1511
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: us about how you how you read that and what

1512
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: comes next? Well, Michael Cohen is a prodigious liar and

1513
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: a tax cheat, and he played guilty because he wants

1514
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: leniency in his sentencing treatment. You know, this is the

1515
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,839
Speaker 1: trouble when the government, Robert Mueller in this case, decides

1516
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,959
Speaker 1: to get in bed with a known liar and criminal.

1517
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: For all we know, Michael Cohen is lying about his lies.

1518
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: So we I mean he is not a credible witness.

1519
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: And in fact, because Muller is going ahead with sentencing,

1520
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: it means he will never call Cohen as a witness

1521
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: in anything. So you know, Cohen, in my judgment, is

1522
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: also a total zero when it comes to collusion. You know,

1523
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: he can talk about payments which are perfectly legal under

1524
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: the Federal Campaign Election Act, to women who said they

1525
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: had affairs with Donald Trump, not a crime. What do

1526
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: you think about And by the way, everyone, we're speaking

1527
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 1: to Greg Jarrett, author of the Russia hoax, the illicit

1528
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: schemes to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump. Judge Napolitano,

1529
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,839
Speaker 1: your colleague, overt Fox said earlier today, quote, I expect

1530
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior to be indicted. Do you agree with

1531
01:25:53,840 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: that assessment. Disagree. Well, given Mueller's behavior of criminalizing conduct

1532
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: that is not remotely criminal, that's altogether a possibility. You know, again,

1533
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Flenn's a perfect example. He didn't lie, he didn't commit

1534
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: a crime, but Mueller prosecuted him. Nevertheless, So as I

1535
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, I spent an entire chapter in my book

1536
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: The Russia Hoax explaining how the Trump Tower meeting violates

1537
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 1: no law. You know, it's not a crime to talk

1538
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: to a Russian lawyer or any Russian for that matter.

1539
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: Take a look at the Federal Election Commission website. Foreign

1540
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: nationals may participate in American campaigns as long as they

1541
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: don't receive money or donate money. So to have a

1542
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: conversation with a Russian lawyer who purportedly is going to

1543
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: give you information about Hillary Clinton, you know, that's that's

1544
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: just not a crime. So we'll wait and see what

1545
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Muller does. But know he is the kind of unprincipled,

1546
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:09,480
Speaker 1: unscrupulous character, Mueller who would try to weaponize and criminalize

1547
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 1: that which is not truly under the law of crime.

1548
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that this is winding down? And if so,

1549
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: could he tell us why? Because I've been hearing that

1550
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: for quite a while, and obviously it has not been

1551
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: true for quite a while, because this thing still drags on.

1552
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: Are we going to be in you know, springtime, still

1553
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: talking about whether Mueller's got the goods? It's altogether possible. Sure,

1554
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: These independent counsels and special counsel investigations tend to drag

1555
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: on well beyond their merits. We certainly saw that in Whitewater,

1556
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: which went on for the better part of four years

1557
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: and then ended up, you know, acute the President Bill

1558
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 1: Clinton then of something that had nothing whatsoever to do

1559
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: with the original mandate. So there's no telling when Muller

1560
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: and his team of partisans will end this thing. They

1561
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: should have ended it long ago. There's not a whiff

1562
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: of evidence that Trump ever had some conspiracy or coordination

1563
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: or collusion with Russia to win the election. None zero,

1564
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: And it should have ended there. And in point of fact,

1565
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Muller should never have been appointed because under the federal regulation,

1566
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: she can only appoint a special counsel if there's some

1567
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: evidence of a crime first. And Lisa Page, who was

1568
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: the top FBI lawyer on the Russia investigation, testified two

1569
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: months ago that during entire time the FBI had the case.

1570
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: They never found any evidence of collusion. So this has

1571
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,879
Speaker 1: been with Robert Muller, an investigation in search of a crime,

1572
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: which were verses. Ambassaardizes the legal process and turns the

1573
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: federal regulations on their head. And that was Greg Jared,

1574
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: author of the Russia hoax with Buck. Coming up next

1575
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: is R. J. Homman of Fair. He's going to talk

1576
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: to us about the upcoming spending fight on Capitol Hills.

1577
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: As stay tuned, Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show,

1578
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: Lisa Booth. Here, we've got RJ. Hamman on the line

1579
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 1: from the Federation for American Immigration Reform. He's the government

1580
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: relations director. J I really wanted to get in to

1581
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: with you about, you know, this upcoming spending fight that

1582
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: we're going to see on Capitol Hill. President Trump of

1583
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: course is demanding and pushing to get funding for the

1584
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: border wall. Where do you see you know you're covering

1585
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: all this and paying attention to it. Where is this

1586
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: fight heading and what do you foresee happening? Yeah, Li's

1587
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: thanks for having beyond obviously the border wall, President Trump's

1588
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, key campaign promise. I mean, it's his signature issue.

1589
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: That's what everybody was screaming for on the campaign trail,

1590
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: but you know, on this, on that front, he's been

1591
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: largely stymied all year. I mean, every single funding fight

1592
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: we've had, you know, congressional leadership has convinced him, Oh,

1593
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: we'll do it next time, We'll do it next time. Well,

1594
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: now it's now or never. I mean, you have Speaker

1595
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: Pelosi coming in in January. She's not going to give

1596
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: you any border wall funding for the next two years.

1597
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: So right now it's now or never. Obviously, with the

1598
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: tragic death of former President George HW. Bush kind of

1599
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: threw a wrinkle in some of these negotiations. As many

1600
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: of your listeners may remember, the spending bill, the dhs

1601
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: CR was supposed to run out tomorrow, December seventh. So

1602
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 1: what they did today, and I want everybody understand because

1603
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: this isn't as swampy as it gets. So what they did.

1604
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: What they did is they did a two week continuing

1605
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: resolution to push the shutdown deadline from December seventh to

1606
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: December twenty first, right up before Christmas. And Lisa, you've

1607
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: seen this before. I've been up in Washington and see this.

1608
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: The closer you get to Christmas, Conservatives always get screwed.

1609
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: So this, you know, the bad news is that it

1610
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 1: effectively puts a pressure on a lot of these members

1611
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: to cave and accept what leadership offers them just to

1612
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: get home for Christmas. And you know, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell,

1613
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, I mean, they're not really true supporters of

1614
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: President Trump's immigration platform, even though they let on like

1615
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: they are in the border wall. So you know, when

1616
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: you want to pass something that you know your base

1617
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: is going to hate and and you don't want a

1618
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: bunch of angry phone calls or get thrown out in

1619
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and then schedule to vote right up against

1620
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: Christmas while everyone's distracted. So you know, it looks like

1621
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,839
Speaker 1: that that they just want to kind of tell President

1622
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: Trump that, hey, we can't get those votes. We need

1623
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: to pass a one year extension of Department Homeland Security

1624
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: funding into next year. But you know, again, right now,

1625
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. It's now or never. That's why,

1626
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, organization is urging you know, our members in

1627
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the general public to make your voice heard. Call your

1628
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: member of Congress and say you do support the President

1629
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Trump's a key campaign promise you support border security because

1630
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: of Congress all they care about right now, it looks

1631
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 1: like he's getting home for Christmas, even though they didn't

1632
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: accomplish what they were set there to do. Well. I

1633
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: know this all two from working on Cathitol Hill and

1634
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Arch I wanted to, you know, how much leverage do

1635
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: you think President Trump is going to use here? I mean,

1636
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: because we saw with the brief shutdown that you know

1637
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: what President Trump dubbed the Schumer shutdown over DACA. I mean,

1638
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: do you think he'll do that again? I mean, do

1639
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: you think President Trump is not going to play those games?

1640
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: You know, do you think he'll hunkered down? And how

1641
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: much leverage does he really have here? I mean, I

1642
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: know he can veto it, you know, you know as

1643
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: well as I do. Again, it's I think both parties,

1644
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: and I think this fear is generally correct. Is everybody's

1645
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: afraid of being blamed for a shutdown. I mean, it backfired,

1646
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: It's backfired on Republicans before, It's certainly backfired on Schumer

1647
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: when he did that over DACA. And I think there's

1648
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: always a fear again. I mean, this is why you know,

1649
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: we think President Trump should use his leverage and tried.

1650
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: If he wanted to shut down the government, he should

1651
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: have done this back in March, you know, or a

1652
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: lot or a lot farther away than right at the

1653
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: game against the line here. But again, no, Trump does

1654
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: have leverage. He can veto this thing. But again, when

1655
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: you take out again at the damage and how long

1656
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: a shutdown would be, you know, Democrats could essentially run

1657
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: out the clock, say President Trump's vetos whatever they give

1658
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: him on the twenty first, they can just hang tight

1659
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks until they get in power

1660
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: and then send him something else, rather than you know,

1661
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: if they've tried to pass something he didn't like, they

1662
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: vetoed it. You know around this week, Democrats would maybe

1663
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: have to come to the table and not risk being

1664
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: blamed for a one month shutdown. But again, you know,

1665
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: President Trump said, we remember back in September when he

1666
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: got a terrible spending bill, he says, I'm not going

1667
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: to sign a bill like this ever. Again, he said

1668
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: that repeatedly, and I mean we're hoping he you know,

1669
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: he puts his boots in the ground and and sticks

1670
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: to what is his key campaign promise again, like I said,

1671
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: it is now or never Nancy Pelosi will not give

1672
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 1: him any border wall funding. In fact, you know, a

1673
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: Democrat appropriators, they're going to be trying to claw away

1674
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: money from border security and essential law enforcement functions as

1675
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: long as they pertain to immigration. You're talking cutting ICE funding,

1676
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: cutting CBP funding. They're not just gonna not give him

1677
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: what he wants. They're gonna take away from our border

1678
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: security and interior enforcement apparatus. So I mean, he's in

1679
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: fantasyland again if he thinks that he can listen to

1680
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the establishment Republicans on Capitol Hill and oh, we'll get

1681
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: it next time. There is no next time. Wells. One

1682
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: thing that always gets me is we've seen like a

1683
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: thousand people try to rush the southern border illegally break

1684
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 1: their way into the United States. You saw them do

1685
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: the same on their journey to the United States and

1686
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: breaking into what was it, Mexico or I'm getting the

1687
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: right doing that as well. And then we're saying recently

1688
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: two of people basically throwing their children over the Southern

1689
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,440
Speaker 1: wall to get into the United States. So just lawlessness,

1690
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: and to me, it kind of makes the case for

1691
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: what President Trump has been saying of increased border security

1692
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 1: and also all right, No, absolutely. I mean a wall

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Speaker 1: is a wall is just one of the many things

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01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: again that we need to do. And and you know,

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01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 1: people act like, you know, President Trump was exploiting the

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01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: caravan and all those visions as you know, a manufactured crisis,

1697
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,520
Speaker 1: if you will. And I think it was actually manufactured

1698
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: by a lot of these open borders groups and everything

1699
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: that they know that we're having, you know, and immigration stalemate,

1700
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: and they know how you know, toxic this is in

1701
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: our country, and they're looking to exploit the division and

1702
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: make almost a standoff, if you will. But again, the

1703
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 1: border wall can't stop the caravan, and I think that's

1704
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 1: something that you know, I wish President Trump would understand

1705
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, if he really wanted

1706
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: to stop this problem. I mean, it's of course, it's

1707
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: all well and good to want that five billion dollars

1708
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: or even more for some border infrastructure walls work. We

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01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: need to repair things down there on the border. A

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01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: lot of the fences needs repairs. I totally understand that

1711
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: we support that. But President Trump has to call for

1712
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: closing our asylum loopholes. I mean, this is what is

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01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: driving people up here from Central America. These coyotes down

1714
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 1: there that bring them up here. They know how to

1715
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: exploit our loss. They know what to say in their

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01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: credible fear interviews to get released into the interior of

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01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 1: the country. They know that if they bring a child

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01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 1: that they will get released because they can't be detained

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01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: for more than twenty days. These laws are the ultimate

1720
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: pull factors. And we could have a wall from sea

1721
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: to Shining Sea and they'll it'll still happen because these

1722
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: people will just walk right up to a port of

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,440
Speaker 1: entry or rush a port of entry and claim asylum

1724
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: and get released into interior of the country. It is

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01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: the new form of illegal immigration. It's not like the

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01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: early two thousands when you had young, working age Mexican

1727
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:40,839
Speaker 1: mails streaming over the border and just running into the country.

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01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: They turn themselves in immediately, and a wall certainly will

1729
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: not stop this well. And I mean we saw that

1730
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: with the end of the zero tolerance policy with President Trump.

1731
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: There is an eighty percent increase of families coming over

1732
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: to the United States after that policy ended, So clearly

1733
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: people are figuring out how to game the system. So

1734
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about you'd mentioned the

1735
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: loopholes that need to be closed. Can you what are

1736
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 1: those loopholes and what needs to be done about it? Yeah,

1737
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,839
Speaker 1: we look at about you know, three main things. So,

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01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 1: so first you got to tighten the credible fear standard

1739
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: for asylum applicants. So credible fear credible fear interview is

1740
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: the first thing you do when you make an asylum

1741
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: claim to see if it's it's valid. And the Obama

1742
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:25,480
Speaker 1: administration really liberalize the meaning and it's created a situation

1743
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: where everyone thinks that they can get it. And what

1744
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 1: they need to do is impose penalties on migrants who

1745
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: make these frivolous claims. Really tighten the standard of these interviews,

1746
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: because right now, I think it's over ninety percent path

1747
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: that initial interview and many of them eventually get their

1748
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: asylum claims denied. But but as you know, it takes

1749
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: well over a year, sometimes two years to get your

1750
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 1: asylum claim adjudicated because the backlog is so great. So

1751
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: what these people want to do is they really don't

1752
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: want to see their asylum claim all the way through.

1753
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: They know that if they get past this initial credible

1754
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 1: fear interview that they'll get really into the country and

1755
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: they can just go disappear into the population. The second

1756
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: thing we need to do is address the Flores Settlement agreement.

1757
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: That's a court settlement, and that's what tricked up when

1758
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: President Trump was trying to That's what interfered with President

1759
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Trump's deer or tolerance policy was the Floras Settlement. Correct

1760
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Florist settlement says that if your family units can't be

1761
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: detained or children can't be detained either for more than

1762
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 1: twenty days, and then they have to be released. And

1763
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: and if what we need to do is extend family

1764
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,839
Speaker 1: detention and increased detention space so that will have adequate

1765
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: holding facilities so we don't have to release these people.

1766
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: And and President Trump when he did the zero tolerance thing,

1767
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: is he really exposed truly what the open borders left

1768
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: really wants to do. You know. He says, all right,

1769
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: all right, so we could either separate families. They oh, no,

1770
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: you can't do that. And he goes, all right, well,

1771
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 1: let's hold the families together, and they say, no, you

1772
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: can't do that either. So then what do you want

1773
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: that's just for them to be released in the interior

1774
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: of the country. If we exactly exactly, if we really

1775
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: want to stop this again, we have to ensure that

1776
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: these can be held together in detention. And I think

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01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 1: the third thing is amending one of our trafficking laws,

1778
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: which is the TVPRA, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act.

1779
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 1: And that's a law. It's a well intentioned law designed

1780
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: to protect miners from sex traffickers, but now it's just

1781
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: it's basically a foothold to get into the US. And

1782
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: we believe there a variety of changes that can be

1783
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: made that would close this loophole that's being exploited while

1784
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: still protecting these children who may be at risk. And

1785
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: then I think more broadly, you know, you secure the

1786
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: border with more resources and staffing, you dry up the

1787
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: jobs magnet by implementing mandatory, you verify, you know, you send,

1788
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: you send the message no more funny business. I mean,

1789
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: we're serious about enforcing our laws. And Congress hasn't done

1790
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: that yet. You know, President Trump has tried time and

1791
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 1: again to do what he can through his executive authority,

1792
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: kind of the opposite of what President Obama did. And

1793
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, the ACLU or other open borders groups seem

1794
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: to be able to find an activist judge anywhere, you know,

1795
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: and likely under the Ninth Circuit to stop President Trump,

1796
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: even though he has legitimate authority most of the time

1797
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: delegated to him by Congress. UM. And you know, or

1798
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: j I wanted to talk to you about, you know,

1799
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: how much has word essentially gotten out to these Central

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01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: American migrants about how easy or laws are to games.

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01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: I know you had mentioned the fact that, you know,

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01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of these indigual individuals are going to

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01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: pass that first interview with immigration authorities. And my understand

1804
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: he's only nine percent who actually show up an immigration

1805
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: court will be granted asylum. So how much is word

1806
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 1: essentially gotten out about how easy it is to come

1807
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: here and at least pass that first initial or interview. Oh,

1808
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: it's it's it's widely known. I mean even go back.

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01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: So I remember back when President Trump, you know, diddaca. UM,

1810
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: he had to dispatch Joe Biden down to Central America

1811
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: to tell the governments down there, hey, and to let

1812
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: your people know that just because we're doing this DACA

1813
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: thing doesn't mean that you're gonna be able to come.

1814
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen we've seen this time and again

1815
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,759
Speaker 1: every time either Congress discusses or extends an immigration benefit.

1816
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: Or even you know, our laws get widely known how

1817
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 1: they can be abused. These people down their irrational people,

1818
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: they take note, they know what their family members have done,

1819
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 1: they know what works. And a lot of these coyotes

1820
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: down there. You know, there was actually a Washington Post

1821
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: article several weeks several of the reporters went down to

1822
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Guatemala and we're actually talking to people down there. Coyotes

1823
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: were encouraging people to go with a child that a

1824
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: child is basically known as a get out of jail

1825
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: free card. I mean that is that's a humanitarian crisis.

1826
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 1: I mean, we're our laws are encouraging people to bring

1827
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: their children and sometimes not even their own children, and

1828
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: encourages kidnapping. You know, as somebody in Guatemala could go

1829
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: kidnap a child knowing that you know, hey, that child

1830
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: might get out of jail free card and a ticket

1831
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: to work in the United States. That creates a crisis

1832
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: down there. This journey up up to the United States

1833
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: from Central America, it's terrible. I mean, you have children

1834
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: that are raped, that they're subjected to violence. You know,

1835
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: gangs are recruiting. I mean, it's a real crisis, and

1836
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: our laws are exacerbating the problem. You know, it's not

1837
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: You're not being in humane, you're not acting without heart

1838
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,719
Speaker 1: when you want to shore them up again. These people

1839
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: need to make the changes in their own countries to

1840
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: better the conditions down there, rather than coming up in

1841
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: the treacherous journey to the United States and disregarding our laws. Well,

1842
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 1: and to that point, DHS put out a statistic. I

1843
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: think it's over the past two years there's been one

1844
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent increase in malls bringing a child

1845
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: trying to enter into the southern border. So completely making

1846
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: your point, J, We're out of time, but I really

1847
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us tonight. RJ. Haman of Fair all right,

1848
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: thanks Lisa, thank you so much. Welcome back to the

1849
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Lisa Booth. I really appreciate you guys

1850
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: for sticking with me to night. This is actually my

1851
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: first time a solo hosting radio, So thank you to

1852
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: Buck for getting sick and allowing me this opportunity to

1853
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: fill in for him. Really, he's a friend of mine,

1854
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: so I really appreciate him believing in me and not

1855
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 1: thinking I was going to screw it up. So a

1856
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,799
Speaker 1: great friend there. And I've also I've got a producer,

1857
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: Mike with me right now, because I heard that he

1858
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 1: actually takes issue with where I went to college. So Mike,

1859
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: what gives? I don't take issue. I I mean, that's

1860
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 1: the way. That's why I tell you where you went school. Yeah,

1861
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I went to the University of Tennessee, which is a

1862
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: phenomenal school. Phenomenal yeah, yeah, big Orange. Right. Well, I'm

1863
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: a Philadelphia boy, so I don't really have place to

1864
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 1: speak on the South. But well, then what's your beef

1865
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: with me? What I could deal? I have relatives who

1866
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: went to the University of Alabama. Well, I mean, it's

1867
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: not like you guys have anything to be upset with

1868
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: right now. Alabama has been, you know, amazing, Yeah, kicking

1869
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: butt with football. We just have problems with schools that

1870
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: really stink at football. You know, that's so right, and

1871
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: right now that a season not going so good. You know,

1872
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 1: actually I want to talk to you about that, and

1873
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: what do you think is wrong with your program? Well,

1874
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: it's really tough, is I can't really rebut that because

1875
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, I went to school when Philip former, Philip

1876
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: Fumer ever, Philip former, and then also when Lane Kiffin

1877
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: screwed US over Yes, things just went downhill. And I'll

1878
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: tell you this. I think it's so funny because I

1879
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: remember there was a guy that put up our guy

1880
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 1: or gal who I don't know if who who was

1881
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: behind it, put up a billboard on one of the

1882
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: major highways and it read that Lane Kiffin was as

1883
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 1: faithful as Tiger one. That's really funny. I never saw

1884
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: that well, and that just goes to show you how

1885
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: much people love their football in Knoxville, Tennessee, that someone

1886
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: would pay their own money to I mean the billboards.

1887
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: He was well, I mean it's true because Lane Kiffin was,

1888
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, not a faithful you know, he's a terrible coach,

1889
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: screwed us over M and so well that's actually that's

1890
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: true too. But so I found that to be hilarious

1891
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: because someone literally spent their own money to send a

1892
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 1: message and an important message. It was, yeah, an important message.

1893
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: What is it about the South? It out and like

1894
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: because the Alabama fans are the same. SEC is great,

1895
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 1: SEC country is awesome. They loved their football and they

1896
01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: take it so seriously. I understand there's no NFL teams

1897
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 1: down there, But what's in the water down there that

1898
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: like gives them like they're they're crazier than like Giants

1899
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: fans and Eagles fans like they're nuts. They have you

1900
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: been to games? Like? Have you gone to an SEC game? Oh? Yeah,

1901
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: Well it's so much fun. Yeah, I mean that was

1902
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: the highlight of going to ther University of Tennessee. It's

1903
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: so much fun going to the football games. You get

1904
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: to hang out with friends. It brings the school together,

1905
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: or brings the community together. It's just a lot of fun.

1906
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 1: Not even too you know, my girlfriends and I in college.

1907
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, we go to games at the different universities.

1908
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: We go to Old Mess, we go to Georgia, and

1909
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: you get got to check out some of the other

1910
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: universities as well, which was a lot of fun. Although

1911
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: toma um you know what? Yes, actually, well no, I

1912
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: don't remember it ready. Have you ever had a yellowhammer?

1913
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: You know what that is? Actually I did. I did

1914
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: go to the University of Alabama. That's cracked. Yeah, it's

1915
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: been a while since I graduated, although hopefully nobody knew

1916
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: that because I still look young, maybe you'll be okay

1917
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: at least that's just what I'm gonna tell myself. Still,

1918
01:45:58,520 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: if I still go out and get card at a

1919
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: good night so it makes feel better about yourself definitely.

1920
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's beautiful down there. Like I love

1921
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 1: going the BAM. I've never been to Tennessee, so I

1922
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 1: can't speak too hard on it. It's beautiful. We've got

1923
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: in you've got Vall Navy on the water too, which

1924
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. Be game the games. But

1925
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: thanks so much everyone. I really appreciate you guys for

1926
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: joining me tonight, and thank you Buck for letting me

1927
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Speaker 1: fill in for you. Have a great night, everyone,