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Speaker 1: homie Big Steal and all the other homies in here.
Speaker 1: Who ain't on camera, Junior the Homeboy farm being all
Speaker 1: the homies and everything, So what to do? Ain't this
Speaker 1: raining like a motherfucker outside there? Yeah, man, it's raining
Speaker 1: and ship's been raining all fucking week. Shit raining for
Speaker 1: the last two motherfucking weeks. But week in here, nice
Speaker 1: warm coas. I don't like the rain this ship. I
Speaker 1: know they say we need it, but I don't like
Speaker 1: the rain. Man. Motherfucker's drive crazy. Got a gang of accidents,
Speaker 1: road slippery, you know what I'm saying. Then when you
Speaker 1: got kids out there driving, you know you you extra uh,
Speaker 1: you know, cautious and shit worried about you know, the
Speaker 1: kids behind the wheel show. You know, everybody out there
Speaker 1: be careful. If you're on the west right now, you're
Speaker 1: caught in all this rain. And that's for show. So
Speaker 1: what's been the latest Monday that shit. I ain't been
Speaker 1: doing shit, man, just post to try and get this
Speaker 1: stuff together, you know, just just been peeping out what's
Speaker 1: been going on everything? You know, like I said, we
Speaker 1: had to you had to hip hop fifty shit, you know,
Speaker 1: a certain getting ready to go to college this summer. Um.
Speaker 1: Just trying to stay busy, you know what I'm saying. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, the first of the year, trying to get
Speaker 1: ship cracking. I know everybody out there hard working, trying
Speaker 1: to get their ideas off the ground, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, man, we've just been trying to stay busy, man,
Speaker 1: trying to stay you know, relevant for shilling, staying up
Speaker 1: the way of the bullshit. Especially the older you get man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, we start getting
Speaker 1: a little older, they start wanting to retire you and
Speaker 1: put you to the side and tell you it's trying
Speaker 1: to sit down. So, you know, just trying to stay relevant. Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard enough on top of you know, bills
Speaker 1: and trying to check money and all that shit. You know,
Speaker 1: that's for the average motherfucker. You know, we are a
Speaker 1: little a little fortunate to you know, have a job
Speaker 1: and have shit to do. Speak of the people people
Speaker 1: tuned in and shit like that. But it's just a
Speaker 1: hard struggle for people, man, right now, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, for sure, without a doubt. Man. You
Speaker 1: know one thing that was go ask and we was
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, Man, we was talking about like to me,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, man, Gainst the rep kind of saved
Speaker 1: the music industry to a certain extent um. I mean
Speaker 1: I look at I look at music as transitions. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. When I first got started with music,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, there was really no gang
Speaker 1: affiliation as far as music is concerned. Lot of the
Speaker 1: music was East Coast, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: deal with it on that aspect. But you know, we
Speaker 1: started making noise on the West Coast. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that, you know, the downfall
Speaker 1: of hip hop was gonna be probably great because you know,
Speaker 1: West Coast took over as far as making music is
Speaker 1: concerned around that time, from you know, the early nineties
Speaker 1: to the mid nineties. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: West Coast artists who you know, were stepping in the
Speaker 1: door and not just on gangster ship either. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We had a lot of diversity as
Speaker 1: far as music is concerned, but we had our time.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll say, you know, between ninety two and
Speaker 1: ninety five ninety six, you know, West Coast artists really
Speaker 1: put their steak in the foundation of hip hop. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not knowing what people thought of hip hop
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, you know, I still listen
Speaker 1: to people like Llo, and I was listening to people
Speaker 1: like Trial car Quest and ed Og and the Bulldogs,
Speaker 1: Gang Star. You know. But I don't know if people
Speaker 1: were saying that New York was losing a little bit
Speaker 1: of you know, because a lot of shit became about
Speaker 1: the dollar sign and commercialized and ship like that, whereas
Speaker 1: you know, over here on the West Coast, really we
Speaker 1: just we were dealing with, you know, shit that we
Speaker 1: dealt with basically is growing up in the hood or
Speaker 1: having to deal with the you know, what was going
Speaker 1: on on the West Coast as far as the gang
Speaker 1: culture and you know, being a young black motherfucker in
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods, having to live in places like Compton, South Central,
Speaker 1: watts Long Beach. You know, we were we were stereotyped
Speaker 1: back then, as you know, khaki suits or T shirt
Speaker 1: and cap that meant you belonged to a gang. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of oppression we had to speak on
Speaker 1: because we didn't have a voice, so our voice became
Speaker 1: the microphone. Yeah, exactly, man, And we will be going
Speaker 1: through this, man, you know, over the course of the show,
Speaker 1: other episodes and stuff, we go always go back to
Speaker 1: this because I'm looking at nineteen ninety the albums that
Speaker 1: came out, It was a run. Man. I would say
Speaker 1: like probably from eighty nine to about ninety six that
Speaker 1: the greatest music ever in hip hop was being made.
Speaker 1: That year. You had Mama said Knock you Out. That
Speaker 1: came out nine one is a joke Publican and Me,
Speaker 1: the Humpty Dance recipes of the Homie shot Gee, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Terror Doome? Can I kick? A tribe call
Speaker 1: Quest jacking for Beats Q that was off a monster album.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Against the rep rock this
Speaker 1: funky joint, poor righteous teachers. You know, a tribe call
Speaker 1: Quests EPMD Burn, Hollywood Burn, Oppet and ally by nature
Speaker 1: not by nature. Tracks for him to be as g
Speaker 1: as he was. Dog. He had the poppiest records. Dog.
Speaker 1: His records all pop. He always had strong ass hooks
Speaker 1: and his music. Shout out to tracks, man, some one
Speaker 1: of them one of my people's. Man, Oh for sure
Speaker 1: we go had to get tracks up here. You know,
Speaker 1: you had Nahs came up with New York Straight of Mind,
Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys, the Homies mind playing tricks on me.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, Pete Rock and Seos movie
Speaker 1: they reminisce over you. You know, slow down, brand Newbian
Speaker 1: You know, Karras Won MC's act like they don't know
Speaker 1: the other side of the town. Master Eight's got five
Speaker 1: on it. You know what I'm saying. It's like it
Speaker 1: was a it was a diverse time with music. Like
Speaker 1: I said, everybody had, you know, critical projects. If you
Speaker 1: asked me, I don't give a fuck how big they
Speaker 1: was promoted or whatever. But around that time and era,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a good time for music because
Speaker 1: you know, hip hop was catching on. You know, the
Speaker 1: executives upstairs and the and the suits and ties and
Speaker 1: the people signing the contracts and whatever. You know, they
Speaker 1: started opening up a little bit more to our culture
Speaker 1: of hip hop seeing that it was making a gang
Speaker 1: of money around. Because look at all those releases you
Speaker 1: just named. A lot of those were the big records,
Speaker 1: all of them. That's that's the thing. Everything I named
Speaker 1: off was like a monster ass record. It was just
Speaker 1: a crazy time and hip hop. I think too, man,
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing you got to look
Speaker 1: at it was a little bit more diversity because you
Speaker 1: still had the brothers like Public Enemy that was talking,
Speaker 1: you know, pushing the pro black line, you know, giving
Speaker 1: people knowledge yourself and all that you had naves to
Speaker 1: have some big records. Shoot ninety five, what are y'all dropping?
Speaker 1: Ninety five? I dropped? Or we come strapped at nine,
Speaker 1: we come strapped. What's turned out to be one of
Speaker 1: your biggest albums. That's what I'm saying. We just had
Speaker 1: We just had bomb ass music then. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say that the music today ain't tight, but it's just
Speaker 1: a different area. It was more quality coming out back then. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean not to say that music is in quality today.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a difference of of of the
Speaker 1: times you're on I'm saying, Um, we we were very
Speaker 1: particular on on what went in as far as production
Speaker 1: and making records. Um. It took not not to discredit
Speaker 1: any producers or beat makers, you know, because they have
Speaker 1: this distinction today of a producer and a beat maker,
Speaker 1: which which I which I would? You know, I commend
Speaker 1: that ship, you know, because there's a lot of cats
Speaker 1: who just make beats, you know, and then there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes who produce records. You know. It's a
Speaker 1: difference between busting lyrics and making a song. With me,
Speaker 1: I felt like at that time, you know, more song driven,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, uh, what it took to
Speaker 1: really make a song. Not to say that there aren't
Speaker 1: songs today as far as hip hop concerned with the
Speaker 1: new artists, Uh, there's just certain dudes who am to
Speaker 1: make you know, good use it feel men, and there's
Speaker 1: just rap and then there's rappers. Not to discredit them either,
Speaker 1: but it takes a lot to make a song that
Speaker 1: a motherfucker want to spend his hard earned money on.
Speaker 1: We're back in My time, you know, motherfucker wanted to
Speaker 1: spend his hard, hard earned money on. And for the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, being able to get played on
Speaker 1: the radio and shit, Um, for me, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to stay true to the craft. So I really didn't.
Speaker 1: I really didn't aim for radio, but it's a significant yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're going to try to be that type of artist.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, your songs always performed
Speaker 1: good at radio because I know the one big radio
Speaker 1: record that you did have was Mike Exam All for
Speaker 1: the Money, All for the Money. That was a big record.
Speaker 1: All for the Money was radio. Straight up minutes was radio.
Speaker 1: I mean anything could basically but be radio if you
Speaker 1: take the fucking cuss words out like we used to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for real, But I know the Joe Temple eight,
Speaker 1: you know, the West Coast used to be back then,
Speaker 1: used to be poop chapoom boom chap. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember the era. Everything was kind of fast page,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean I didn't went
Speaker 1: into the g funk sound and stuff. Yours was always
Speaker 1: kind of outside everything else. You had your own thing going,
Speaker 1: for sure. I just want to I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to create different shit, um, not coming from
Speaker 1: nobody's camp. You know. Um, everything I did was you know, constructed,
Speaker 1: as far as what I thought that I should be
Speaker 1: rapping to, as far as who I thought uh I
Speaker 1: was as an artist. I wanted to be very descriptive
Speaker 1: with my shit. I wanted to tell stories, you know.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be one of those braggadocious rappers.
Speaker 1: You know, I miss something that I miss something that
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about situations that the situations
Speaker 1: that I or I seen my niggas in, or families in,
Speaker 1: or just growing up where I grew up at, you know,
Speaker 1: poverty police, you know, always wanting better and dreams of better,
Speaker 1: you know. So That's what I spoke on. So I
Speaker 1: felt like I couldn't do that shit as far as
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, trying to tell a motherfucker how
Speaker 1: hard life was for me. Now, everybody didn't go through
Speaker 1: what I went through as a kid, and not to
Speaker 1: say that my life was fucked up, because you asked me.
Speaker 1: I had a good, motherfucking life as a kid. You know,
Speaker 1: my parents got divorced, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: moms did what she did. Did I still have a
Speaker 1: connection with my dad somewhat, you know, not really moms
Speaker 1: did it all. So I just I just, you know,
Speaker 1: just growing up as a kid, I saw this. I
Speaker 1: saw that we struggled here, we struggled there. So I
Speaker 1: felt I want to put that in music. And then
Speaker 1: I felt like I couldn't talk to people in a
Speaker 1: sense of trying to let them understand what I'm telling them.
Speaker 1: And a dance record, you get me. I just I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I guess banging not like everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, all my niggas bang, we hood niggas. Everybody
Speaker 1: did that shit. But I just couldn't, you know, I
Speaker 1: just couldn't see myself trying to be the person I was,
Speaker 1: knowing where I came from and what struggles I went
Speaker 1: through as a kid, and my mom and family and
Speaker 1: living where we lived at in Compton. I just didn't
Speaker 1: see no party in it. I mean, I didn't see nothing.
Speaker 1: Even when we was in the hood and flashlight was
Speaker 1: banging and niggas was getting high and we was chilling
Speaker 1: and having cookedouts and just hanging, niggas was still looking
Speaker 1: over their shoulder half the time. You had to be
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was the terror Dome
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, we had good times, but it was
Speaker 1: always alert time. So that's what my music was. My
Speaker 1: music was like, yeah, you know, we could kick it
Speaker 1: and low ride and smoke and funk with the girls
Speaker 1: and all that shit, but they're gonna we still got
Speaker 1: a car full of guns and we're riding in the
Speaker 1: enemy territory and ship like that. So that's where my
Speaker 1: music was. You gotta give a hat's off to which
Speaker 1: y'all was doing back then, because you mentioned something earlier.
Speaker 1: Back then in the nineties, if you was coming out
Speaker 1: to West you had to be quoted on almost you
Speaker 1: had to come through either the tray or the NWA
Speaker 1: family tree. Right, you feel what I'm seeing. Everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at West Coast Hip Hop the daily,
Speaker 1: that's the landscape of it. Everybody in West Coast Hip Hop,
Speaker 1: with the exception of you, falls from that NWA family tree.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember Q putting mac ten on, so he
Speaker 1: came from that tree um iced tea. He put a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and you gotta say, dub kind of
Speaker 1: put um iced tea, kind of put dube on ice
Speaker 1: put dub on. So you definitely had to come in
Speaker 1: through somebody else that was already doing a thing, because
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't coming through there, they wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: hear you. Almost. I mean I had. I mean, we knew,
Speaker 1: we knew Easy, we knew ran Um. I didn't know
Speaker 1: Q personally up until later on. I didn't know iced T.
Speaker 1: You know, King T was from Compton, Toddy T was
Speaker 1: from the hood. But as far as like coming through
Speaker 1: a camp, um I started Compton's most wanted chill was
Speaker 1: the beat box. When we started um from there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I started writing raps. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I would write raps. Chill would bust his verse, I
Speaker 1: would bust my shit, but we did didn't have any
Speaker 1: significant motherfuckers to come through. It wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was the cousin of Dre or Easy was Chills
Speaker 1: cousin or you know. We was just two young niggas
Speaker 1: trying to bang and music started and how we was
Speaker 1: gonna get in Hella, fuck it if I know, like
Speaker 1: I said, because we didn't know anybody. But you know,
Speaker 1: we started hanging with some niggas across the street from
Speaker 1: Chill House who was trying to get into the game.
Speaker 1: They were some singing niggas. So from there I started
Speaker 1: writing raps and shit. We had nowhere to do demo.
Speaker 1: We didn't know nothing about that shit. I was just
Speaker 1: a fan of music because I heard six in the
Speaker 1: Morning and I heard Toddy T with the Batta ram
Speaker 1: and I heard Keen T with paybacks a mother and
Speaker 1: shit like that. So I was like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: talk about the hood too and talk about Compton in
Speaker 1: the streets and in the police and the gangs. But
Speaker 1: we didn't have no hook up. Just by just by chance,
Speaker 1: we was fucking with these two niggas across the street.
Speaker 1: They had a motherfucking uh audition or appointment with fucking
Speaker 1: Lonzo from the Wrecking Crew. We just happened to fucking
Speaker 1: tag along and got up there, and that's when I
Speaker 1: first met DJ Slip and I recorded a demo tape.
Speaker 1: We did a re demo tape like in somebody's fucking
Speaker 1: living room, off of a keyboard and ship. We weren't
Speaker 1: even in those studio. And I wrote this song man
Speaker 1: like long time Ago, and me and Chill performed it,
Speaker 1: and we played the niggas the demo, and you know,
Speaker 1: a greedy motherfucker looking at two young niggas, you know,
Speaker 1: Compton is getting off, so nigga see dollar signs. I
Speaker 1: didn't see shit. All I wanted to do was put
Speaker 1: out a fucking record. So we met a known mat
Speaker 1: Linzo that DJ Slip, and a known knew I had
Speaker 1: something in me, so he automatically hooked me up with
Speaker 1: Slip Star. Fucking with Slip Star going and Slip had
Speaker 1: all the shit I was looking for. Yeah, Slip had
Speaker 1: the fucking the Fox track, he had the mic, he
Speaker 1: had the speakers, the DJ equipment I was fantasizing about.
Speaker 1: He had already set up, already set up, So I
Speaker 1: just got the fucking with slip every day and the
Speaker 1: Slip was part of La Sound Control Mob. They used
Speaker 1: to do all the concerts. But you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: an NWA A hook up, or it wasn't doctor Dre
Speaker 1: or you know, if you want to say that I
Speaker 1: got hooked up with Lonzo and Unknown, then that's where
Speaker 1: I came from. But we didn't come through the cube ranks.
Speaker 1: We didn't come through the Dre ranks, the easy ranks.
Speaker 1: We just started conference most wanted. I started writing raps
Speaker 1: and it was it like that. So that's how we
Speaker 1: got in, you know what I'm saying. Knome was one
Speaker 1: of them record motherfucker's you know on the West Coast.
Speaker 1: Everybody had little labels and shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we came in through Unknown. Knome hooked us up.
Speaker 1: He got us an independent deal. They put our shit out,
Speaker 1: you know, independently, and from there we went from from
Speaker 1: Big Beat, through Capital, through Orpheus to Epic in the
Speaker 1: rest of his history. You know, it was never a
Speaker 1: co sign, you know what I'm saying, Like Dray didn't
Speaker 1: call nobody was like give Ayton and the deal or e.
Speaker 1: We didn't go through ruthless or we didn't go through
Speaker 1: street knowledge, your lynch mob. You know, we was all
Speaker 1: motherfucker's Yeah, because YO almost wound up on death Row ricords. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we um. We didn't end up on death Row, but
Speaker 1: we was at the beginning of the introduction of death Row.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people know it, but Unknown
Speaker 1: was fucking with Shug and he knew that they was
Speaker 1: getting ready to start some shit. Som me Unknown, Slip
Speaker 1: and Chill had a meeting one night and Unknown told
Speaker 1: us that Dre and them was from to start a
Speaker 1: label and that they was looking for, you know, names
Speaker 1: for the label. And we sat up at the table
Speaker 1: and we came up and we thought of this ship
Speaker 1: called death Row, which was spelled d ef. They had coats,
Speaker 1: leather coats and all this other type of ship. But
Speaker 1: we were never gonna be signed to death Row. I
Speaker 1: don't know as far Compter's most wanted was concerned maybe
Speaker 1: write some songs for somebody, But I looked at it
Speaker 1: as as as you know, being a part of the
Speaker 1: circle shit that was getting started with death Row. Never
Speaker 1: never did Unknown say that he was gonna go approach Dre,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the fuck his intent was
Speaker 1: because Unknown was a nigga behind the scenes who did shit,
Speaker 1: you know, without our consult whatever whatever he felt like
Speaker 1: he wanted to do, as far as CMW was concerned,
Speaker 1: because at the time we were signed to his production company.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, he came and told us that they
Speaker 1: were going to form this new label and they were
Speaker 1: calling a Death Row and it was d ef Row
Speaker 1: instead of death like it is now. I guess they
Speaker 1: changed it. I was good friends with Big Mike and
Speaker 1: three two they were that was supposed to be the
Speaker 1: first act on Death Row before Dre did his project
Speaker 1: and Snoop and everybody else. It was three two and
Speaker 1: Big Mike and I don't know what happened with that
Speaker 1: situation or the falling out of it, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they could rest in peace, my nigga. Three two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three two's probably one of the most influential motherfuckers in
Speaker 1: the game that people don't really know. But three two
Speaker 1: was the one year big baby. Yeah. Three two was
Speaker 1: very influential to a lot of shit, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna speak on it, but if you know
Speaker 1: three two, like I knew three two and a lot
Speaker 1: of people you know who were close to him. He
Speaker 1: was very influential in a few people's styles and what
Speaker 1: developed from from you know, copying that you know different
Speaker 1: and they ain't taking men away from them people. They
Speaker 1: was great already anyway. But he did give people a
Speaker 1: lot of little shit that they know I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: because like I said, they were all integral in in
Speaker 1: in Form and death Row. They all probably sat up
Speaker 1: together and wrote music together, fad off for each other.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's what you do when you're a
Speaker 1: real crew and y'all all out for each other's best interest.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You help a motherfucker. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, motherfucker's trying to come up
Speaker 1: with hit records, man exactly. And you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that didn't really go down back then like
Speaker 1: it is they I think it did go down, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't talked about as much. It's like you said,
Speaker 1: in the course of people making records together, you can
Speaker 1: give somebody a line or to right. Somebody may contribute
Speaker 1: to a hook or something. You're trying to come up
Speaker 1: with a hit record and everything, so it ain't necessarily
Speaker 1: about but back then it wasn't a whole bunch of it.
Speaker 1: I'm a half a nigga, come through and write my
Speaker 1: whole rap for me. That's why what Easy it was
Speaker 1: such a big deal because you know, Cube was doing
Speaker 1: all this writing. The Ram was writing form, DC was
Speaker 1: writing form, you know what I mean. But that was
Speaker 1: accept that. I didn't even think back and we even
Speaker 1: focused on that ship. Did you did you ever, like, really,
Speaker 1: when you first heard in Wa or straight out of Compton, whatever,
Speaker 1: and when Easy was busting, should you ever sit down
Speaker 1: and go, I know, Easy ain't writing now Hill, No,
Speaker 1: he was just jamming. I never got into that type
Speaker 1: of shit until it was brought to my attension about
Speaker 1: publishing and writers and you know, you're getting money for
Speaker 1: that ship and all of that, because before the end,
Speaker 1: you I know, shit, you know, I was writing Chills
Speaker 1: wraps in the beginning when we first started comptens most wanted.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't like, oh, yeah, I'm trying to write
Speaker 1: his ship because I'm trying to collect that publishing checking
Speaker 1: all of that. I just I would just go home
Speaker 1: and write out wraps for verses and Chill was my nigga,
Speaker 1: my partner, So I'm like shit, I'm gonna take two.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him too. That's I didn't look at
Speaker 1: it like, oh yeah, he writing all the songs. I
Speaker 1: just figured like nigga, motherfucker gave me a beat, they
Speaker 1: would send me home with a beat and tell me
Speaker 1: go write something to it. And knowing like Chill was
Speaker 1: my nigga and he aparted a crew, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wrap no fucking foulk verses, So I'd
Speaker 1: write two verses out for me, write two verses out
Speaker 1: for him, being go. I didn't know nigga was collecting
Speaker 1: money off of the ship and publishing, because that wasn't
Speaker 1: money wasn't even like it. And I know it's dumb
Speaker 1: to say, but money wasn't even the capture for me.
Speaker 1: Money wasn't even the you know, to sign on the
Speaker 1: dotted line. For me, it was just being able to
Speaker 1: go on the fucking studio and look at all the
Speaker 1: equipment and see a nigga put a beat together and
Speaker 1: then I can write a song to it. Nigga out
Speaker 1: and payday for me. You give him saying I'm on
Speaker 1: the block, sitting on the corner every day trying to
Speaker 1: sell little little little dope and ship, you feel me?
Speaker 1: And I'm getting to witness this other side of life
Speaker 1: that I don't know. It was never no vision. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. When you come from the
Speaker 1: hood and you whatever, people have dreams or aspect. But
Speaker 1: like I said, Nigga one side once, it was about
Speaker 1: gang banging and selling dope and hood rat bitches and
Speaker 1: shit like that. There was no dreams, Nigga, I made him.
Speaker 1: I gotta be a low low. I got me a spot.
Speaker 1: I gotta be a couple of chicken heads. How good
Speaker 1: to fucking go you? Life is fucking great? Ship? Are
Speaker 1: you getting to it? And the money was a little
Speaker 1: different back then, because I remember for a soundtrack at minimum,
Speaker 1: you would fucking around to pick up twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand that minimum just for turning me in a song. Oh, definitely,
Speaker 1: you got shit. Niggas was getting like thirty thousand to
Speaker 1: do samet Eys commercials and shit, my nigga, DJ pooh
Speaker 1: you feel me, um pooh? Definitely don't. Is it lucrative
Speaker 1: like hip hop is seen today? No, because a lot
Speaker 1: of us, a lot of us struggled for those contracts
Speaker 1: and struggled to be you know, motherfuckers wanted to be
Speaker 1: them Shugs, then Birdman's, then Puffy Jermaine Dupris. But you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of us got you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: us got fucked. Remember this shit right here, A lot
Speaker 1: of us got fuck coming into the business because, like
Speaker 1: I said, as a young motherfucker, you really don't know
Speaker 1: the business. Hey, do you remember this? Oh that's what,
Speaker 1: like I said, Saint Ice was giving out money for
Speaker 1: niggas to do commercials. So for a struggling artists, you
Speaker 1: might think a motherfucker making a gang of brand, you
Speaker 1: feel me. But for a lot of struggling artists back then,
Speaker 1: those were those were you know, extra curricular activities and
Speaker 1: nigga could do to get that side check because they
Speaker 1: were coming in with no hesitation, no negotiation or none
Speaker 1: of that. Nigga, do us a commercial, Higgo twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty ran, So you know, it was a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, as far as how niggas make money today
Speaker 1: from streaming and podcasting and doing a lot of other
Speaker 1: different ships, it was it was kind of a struggle
Speaker 1: for an artist who wasn't getting that that easy money
Speaker 1: or that death row money or that ship like that.
Speaker 1: Nowadays you see cats man everybody getting money. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: as a cat that was always like kind of independent minded.
Speaker 1: I was always because I had a few deals, but
Speaker 1: I was always to do that winning got because you know,
Speaker 1: I remember I was a rapper, but I had a
Speaker 1: record store too, right, so I understood how distribution works.
Speaker 1: So it never made no sense in my mind to
Speaker 1: go give a motherfuck all this and that not new. Okay,
Speaker 1: If I'm going to the ones stop when I'm paying
Speaker 1: seven dollars and the nigga talked about giving me twenty cents,
Speaker 1: it didn't make no system. I'll said, well, what the
Speaker 1: rest of the money going to? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what is happening? I don't think a lot of I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of artists because if if if
Speaker 1: a lot of the artists from that era knew what
Speaker 1: they knew today as far as contracts, you'd have a
Speaker 1: gang of independent motherfucking labels around. Yeah, because yeah, because
Speaker 1: you don't want no deal right now, do you? Hell
Speaker 1: fucking no a nessa nigga finna give me about thirty
Speaker 1: something million in cash me out? What's the point? Because
Speaker 1: you can constantly as an independent. The money is better,
Speaker 1: especially now with streaming and all the other shit you
Speaker 1: can do. There's no way, like I said, unless a
Speaker 1: motherfucker finna just start off in the millions and be
Speaker 1: like here, I'm a hand you five million, but you
Speaker 1: gotta look at it. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you still gotta pay that five million back. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you. They loaning you five million,
Speaker 1: then they FINDI charge you on top of the five
Speaker 1: of what they gave you. They FINDI charge you a
Speaker 1: gang of motherfucker shit like biggas is. Like back in
Speaker 1: the days, niggas come out with any voices where they
Speaker 1: charging you for having conversations on the phone. Oh dog,
Speaker 1: And if my lawyer got on the phone and had
Speaker 1: a conversation with the label and it went on for
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, he was charging me for that shit
Speaker 1: you getting me? Uh if the label motherfucking they seen
Speaker 1: you on a promo tour, Oh yeah, that costs US
Speaker 1: forty fifty thousand. And you know the fuck the part
Speaker 1: about them loans, dog, Usually when you get a loan,
Speaker 1: like a fuck walking to the bank. If I walking
Speaker 1: the wheels frog and say okay, I want to get
Speaker 1: a bank alone to buy this Rose Royce. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go pick the Rose roy Side. I want to drive
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna, you know, and they gonna get me
Speaker 1: the loan for it. With the Rigor label, it's almost
Speaker 1: like they spending the money up that they loaning you
Speaker 1: and then't charging you for right because you can't tell them,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's O, don't go spend half a million dollars on
Speaker 1: this shit. They're gonna go, hell, yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: As an independent you can control that. But like you said,
Speaker 1: as a label, no, you're gonna sign that contract. They're
Speaker 1: gonna hand you that three fold million up front. Then
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, okay, I gotta pay back this threefold million.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go, okay, when we flew you from here
Speaker 1: to there and there to there to there as another
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand when we did this. When we did that,
Speaker 1: they just spending money. Like you said, you don't get
Speaker 1: to control the budget. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that three that three million they gave you up front
Speaker 1: for the record and from the back end is six
Speaker 1: You get me because all the other hidden ship that
Speaker 1: they got to pay for promotions, and I know all
Speaker 1: that shit is official, but still you don't get to
Speaker 1: control that budget. So whatever they want to spend, they spend,
Speaker 1: and they go they okay, now we're charging you back
Speaker 1: for it, motherfucker. Be like I didn't won't know, motherfucking
Speaker 1: this or that, and they go, it don't matter. We
Speaker 1: saw that in your promotion. So that's what we paid for.
Speaker 1: And another thing too, let's say you signed the aftermath.
Speaker 1: It ain't like I think a lot of people gotten
Speaker 1: they heard that Drey is just coming to give you
Speaker 1: all them beats for free or to discount of rates
Speaker 1: charging I'm talking. Yeah. So if your budget there's a
Speaker 1: million dollars in Drake Sharks and you two fifty a track,
Speaker 1: you might only be able to afford to have one
Speaker 1: Drade track on that motherfucker. But then how do you
Speaker 1: control Like I said, then then how do you control that,
Speaker 1: because then at the end of the day, they still
Speaker 1: get to make the call on what's usable and what's not.
Speaker 1: That's some real ship. But if you can only afford one,
Speaker 1: got to give you a discount of something. I can
Speaker 1: afford one of those two hundred and fifty thousand dollars tracks.
Speaker 1: But now I gotta go to niggas who charging me
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars a track or five hundred, and like
Speaker 1: I said, at the end of the day, those niggas
Speaker 1: might not get approved because when you're gonna turn the
Speaker 1: project and they can find out speaking the beat from
Speaker 1: from from john S from down the block, who who's
Speaker 1: just started doing beats last year, and they might not
Speaker 1: approve his track. You know, they might be like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck this, because that's the truth. People don't understand that
Speaker 1: they have to approve your album before it comes up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you unless you got that pool and that power
Speaker 1: as a regular artist today, you have no you know.
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of mother fuckers come out independently.
Speaker 1: That's why you got a million artists out right now
Speaker 1: because everybody, you know, I don't have to go that route.
Speaker 1: I can go sign up to a SoundCloud or a
Speaker 1: tune core or whatever and put my shit out on
Speaker 1: my own and let it go for the gust. Though
Speaker 1: now my ship might not have the million dollars video
Speaker 1: like DJ Kalin got, or my ship might not have
Speaker 1: the fucking produced by DJ Premier track on it get me,
Speaker 1: But the market is flooded right now, and that's what
Speaker 1: artists are able to do. Like I said, but we
Speaker 1: have no restriction on that either because let's face and
Speaker 1: a lot of that should be garbage. Now. The albumics
Speaker 1: you and Premiere did together that they come out independent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we push shit independent. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: way to go now, to push independent, especially if you're
Speaker 1: you know, um, I mean, that's what's best for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's best for any other artists who've
Speaker 1: come from my era who's still trying to make music,
Speaker 1: or for the new artist who's down somewhere and in
Speaker 1: his girlfriend's kitchen with the set up and he's trying
Speaker 1: to get exposed and all he can make it too
Speaker 1: is the homies in the neighborhood and around the corner.
Speaker 1: I mean it takes a lot. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just ship. Just like football and in trying to get
Speaker 1: to the NFL. You know what I'm saying, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a million of us. It's a million motherfucker's going
Speaker 1: to high school, some million motherfuckers. But there's only a
Speaker 1: few that make it to college. It's only a few
Speaker 1: to make it dog and out of that college. You
Speaker 1: get me, So you gotta look at yourself for the
Speaker 1: same level as being an artist. It's a billion of
Speaker 1: artists out here. Man, niggas working out. You gave me.
Speaker 1: They're working out and they kitchen right and raps George
Speaker 1: songs you give me. And are they gonna be the starter?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be the nigga ride in the bench?
Speaker 1: You didn't ye get on the team nowadays? Now starting
Speaker 1: at the high school level, what don't matter. Fucking you
Speaker 1: pay that thousand fucking dollars. They finna getting your motherfucking uniform. Right,
Speaker 1: you're on the squad. You ain't gonna never see the
Speaker 1: field though, And you know what do eight. I'm a
Speaker 1: loop around a little bit on some stuff because I gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of address this stuff. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know. Whatever you want to do, whether it's
Speaker 1: music or podcasting, the best way to get on and
Speaker 1: to get favorable terms. This is a boy spending your
Speaker 1: own money and doing certain shit, right, Like you know,
Speaker 1: we got the Gangster Chronicles podcast. You got to invest
Speaker 1: in yourself. Yeah, you gotta invest in yourself. So with
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know, I came up with
Speaker 1: the Gangster Chronicles PODCEP. I did what nobody else around.
Speaker 1: Glasses Malone was sitting in my living room with him.
Speaker 1: It was about one thirty in the morning. You know,
Speaker 1: you're just kicking me with the homie. Were sitting in
Speaker 1: my living room and I said, nigga, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: a podcast. We was trying to do a podcast with Glasses.
Speaker 1: This is way back and maybe two thousand and sixteen,
Speaker 1: when the podcast stuff wasn't even cracking like adios now.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nowhere. It was only a few people doing
Speaker 1: it right, So I was messing with Glasses and it
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. He wasn't too serious about it at
Speaker 1: the time. You know, Glasses may come, he may not
Speaker 1: show up. You know, a lot of us rappers didn't. Really.
Speaker 1: Podcasting was new still, so when you when you're trying
Speaker 1: to take a nigga from from the microphone and put
Speaker 1: it on the microphone, but in a disparate aspect, niggas
Speaker 1: was looking at it like man podcast, Glasses thought out
Speaker 1: lost my mind because he wanted did it with me?
Speaker 1: Did it? Ever? So he said Steel like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is that ship? And you know what Glances told
Speaker 1: me said steal I fuck with you. You my big bro.
Speaker 1: He said, man, but therein't nobody out here. Go listen
Speaker 1: to that ship, you know. So I said, watching sea
Speaker 1: man watching seats gonna be the biggest thing ever. So
Speaker 1: I had a homeboy that worked in the CBS building
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, you could use the studio
Speaker 1: up there, but they charged me. I had to pay
Speaker 1: for engineers. So when I first started the Gangster Chronicles, dog,
Speaker 1: I think I was paying like every week though this
Speaker 1: was all your idea, Yeah, this is all my da.
Speaker 1: Nobody sat down with you. No partners, no homeians, none
Speaker 1: man less we should we should we should? We should none.
Speaker 1: The only made you call it the Gangster Chronicles. Well,
Speaker 1: because when I initially thought of a gagster chronicles, the
Speaker 1: chronicles something means to tell a story, right. It was
Speaker 1: never supposed to be just about rict bloods against ship.
Speaker 1: It was supposed that was one of my uh questions,
Speaker 1: Like because somebody asked me that, why gangster chronicle? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was supposed to encompass everything that's gangsterism, from
Speaker 1: the mafia to even the motherfucking m the Arian brotherhood.
Speaker 1: That's gangster ship. You know what I mean, that's their
Speaker 1: gang gangster music, right. It was supposed to be everything
Speaker 1: to kind of run around the parameters of what normal
Speaker 1: society yells. Right, that's considered gangster. Let's considered gangster. And
Speaker 1: you know, so Glasses was sitting up there with me.
Speaker 1: I had Reggie right in mind because he was one
Speaker 1: of the dudes that came from the Death Row era, right,
Speaker 1: I had Reggie right in mind. So I got that Reggie.
Speaker 1: Then Glasses was like, you know what it was because
Speaker 1: I was on the first four original episodes, right, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna move to a land at the time,
Speaker 1: So I said, I got to get somebody else. That's
Speaker 1: when we brought this other caddy. And I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say his name. I didn't want to say the other
Speaker 1: dude's name, but to put a long story short, before
Speaker 1: we made a dime out against the Chronicles, I was
Speaker 1: about probably thirty grand to this motherfucker dog because this
Speaker 1: is your pet project. Here's my pet project, baby, this
Speaker 1: is your shit. So regardless of who you selected as
Speaker 1: a host or not, Gangster Chronicles was your project. It
Speaker 1: was my project and not free and I share freely
Speaker 1: with the mother. Actually, I was probably a little bit
Speaker 1: too free with the money, because this is how I
Speaker 1: always looked at it. I'm gonna pay for everything, We're
Speaker 1: gonna split everything down the middle. I ain't know, greedy,
Speaker 1: motherfucking you know, I get something, you're getting the piece
Speaker 1: of it. You're getting the piece of it. You know,
Speaker 1: we all can do good with this, right. But I
Speaker 1: think people got the sense of getting too entitled after
Speaker 1: a wild dog and have a tendency to run around
Speaker 1: with the wrong people, because, as you notice, we minus
Speaker 1: the host that used to be on the show exactly.
Speaker 1: That's not my fault be mad to do dick you
Speaker 1: over there sitting with because he did this shit to you, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with the question, you know, and
Speaker 1: not not really you're a people just asked me questions,
Speaker 1: and you know the information is what I tell people
Speaker 1: is that you know, um, executive decisions were made, you know,
Speaker 1: not that it was it was like a hater thing
Speaker 1: or or like whatever. But you know, sometimes situations happen.
Speaker 1: You know, um, is it gonna Is it gonna affect
Speaker 1: people in a certain way? Of course? Um? Shit. When
Speaker 1: I had a fucking contract with Epic, I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna be signed to a fucking label forever you
Speaker 1: get me. And then I got the phone call one
Speaker 1: day to say, nigga, you we we're not gonna renew
Speaker 1: your contract. M Sometimes I lost for a minute for
Speaker 1: a second, because now I got to figure out the
Speaker 1: next step. Yeah, but somebody else eventually came along and said, hey,
Speaker 1: we want to fuck with you. Somebody else came along
Speaker 1: and said we want to fuck with you. And then
Speaker 1: eventually I just got the ship like, well, god damn.
Speaker 1: It seems like I could be more on hands if
Speaker 1: I started doing my own shit. So that's what I
Speaker 1: started doing. I started putting our records independently, and here
Speaker 1: we are today exactly. And I ain't go well too
Speaker 1: much show on this man because I just wanted to
Speaker 1: address it because people have a tendency, you know, because
Speaker 1: I wasn't go say nothing about it because, like I
Speaker 1: said before, I didn't want to kick James off the show. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not the reason he's not on the show no more.
Speaker 1: You know what happened, there was two former co hosts
Speaker 1: conspired against him, and they found out a lot of
Speaker 1: information that was from his past. Now, one thing I
Speaker 1: will say, when we initially first started to show one
Speaker 1: of my partners. They hit me up and told me, man, dude,
Speaker 1: it's hot. You shouldn't fuck with him because of this,
Speaker 1: this and the third. I'm not too much big in
Speaker 1: the rumors, and I'm a grown ass man. I don't
Speaker 1: listen to rumors. I wouldn't ask my man itself. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got told this sex, this, this and the third
Speaker 1: that you had this going on or no, that's people. Hey,
Speaker 1: ill left for the loan Dog because it wasn't my thing.
Speaker 1: And plus, it ain't like we on this motherfucker robbing
Speaker 1: banks or doing them malicious, right, we're telling stories though
Speaker 1: we're talking about Shi having a conversation, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it wasn't my fault. The thing that
Speaker 1: really cracks me up is that the god is responsible
Speaker 1: for all this shit is happening. Is he's sitting over
Speaker 1: there with him now doing the show. That's the person
Speaker 1: all the animosity should be pointed to. I didn't do
Speaker 1: this stuff. I just this is a business at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, dog and anything that's impeded in
Speaker 1: the business, because as you grow, the business gets bigger. Now,
Speaker 1: when I was up in the CBS building, pam my
Speaker 1: own time doing shit like this. I had a lot
Speaker 1: more leadway to make decisions. It was all on me,
Speaker 1: right because at one time, and even with the one
Speaker 1: guy that left the show, you were talked about as
Speaker 1: a post but me and you had a conversation about
Speaker 1: Shoot taking his place, right remember, like a long time ago,
Speaker 1: so a lot of moves have been made. You came
Speaker 1: to me a while ago, right right like COVID, right
Speaker 1: before COVID, and we had a conversation about you know,
Speaker 1: doing you know, because remember I had wanted to do
Speaker 1: my own podcast. Yeah, then we still gonna do that,
Speaker 1: the Stas Spot. He was gonna do Stash Spot, and
Speaker 1: then things transpired and you you know said what you'd
Speaker 1: be willing to come, you know, co host throwing against
Speaker 1: the chronicles. I didn't know how it would fit, you know,
Speaker 1: knowing that you and and James already was in the mix.
Speaker 1: You know, I knew about Reggie, and I knew about
Speaker 1: the other dude, you know what I'm saying. But but
Speaker 1: it's opportunities, you know, I never looked at it as
Speaker 1: trying to be stepping on somebody's toes or taking somebody's position,
Speaker 1: But you know, a job is a job, man, and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't like that because you wouldn't stepping on toes.
Speaker 1: Because the funny thing about to do Reggie is he
Speaker 1: quit the show on his own reconnaissance. He was in jail.
Speaker 1: He was locked up, right, Reggie was only Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was only on the show for six months, right, he
Speaker 1: was only on the show for six months, and he
Speaker 1: got locked up. Never had no problem but to do.
Speaker 1: Even still sent him money and whatever like that. I
Speaker 1: sent him money until James told me to stop sending
Speaker 1: them money. For whatever reason. They don't send him nothing else.
Speaker 1: That was his thing, and noted them two dudes over
Speaker 1: there together. It's funny to me, But I will say
Speaker 1: this because we've grown as men. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, dogs, I don't have no animosity against him.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a personal Again, if it was up to
Speaker 1: me in certain situations, wouldn't happen. He'll still be sitting
Speaker 1: over there, right. It wasn't nothing personal against him. It
Speaker 1: wasn't any personal against him. We all grown as men
Speaker 1: and we'd make decisions. But when we make those decisions,
Speaker 1: we should look in the mirror as men and say
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do because hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know nonsense, man, I know, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, what's going on? Remember I'm
Speaker 1: calling you like, hey, what are we doing? What are
Speaker 1: we doing? And then it was brought to my attention
Speaker 1: about what was transpiring. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: fuck that shit. Let's just keep pushing and trying to
Speaker 1: advocate for my man James to you know, let's forget
Speaker 1: about the other shit. Let's just keep pushing forward. But
Speaker 1: I guess you know, the stress of like you said,
Speaker 1: weighing on the business, and now you have outside people
Speaker 1: who are invested in the business who feel like certain
Speaker 1: situations we're gonna bring or devalue the show exactly we are.
Speaker 1: This is entertainment at the end of the day. Of course,
Speaker 1: don't take it for nothing else. This entertainer right here.
Speaker 1: We try to entertain with stories or our tales or
Speaker 1: of current shit or back in the day ship from
Speaker 1: what we've seen or what we've done learned from. But
Speaker 1: you know, again, it's all entertainment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Whether you whether you take
Speaker 1: something from it or not, we are trying to you know,
Speaker 1: we are trying to get your ear. We're trying to
Speaker 1: get your ear and trying to get you to listen
Speaker 1: to our entertainment of what we feel is our perception
Speaker 1: on life in general, hip hop, sports, fucking shit, anything
Speaker 1: that you might as a regular person, because that's what
Speaker 1: we consider ourselves. And that's the thing. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even go say numb bro. But after a while you
Speaker 1: get tired of your name. It's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: can see motherfucker's online and then I don't have this
Speaker 1: one cat fuck me around? Fuck you still, fuck you?
Speaker 1: You did this to James, just like you said that
Speaker 1: he was on my ship? What he was that to say?
Speaker 1: The fuck you? Still? Hold on? That's the hony glasses
Speaker 1: right there. Hold on one second, I'm gonna punch glasses in.
Speaker 1: She was at the dog hey old and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on the show real quick. Hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put you on speaker real quick. This kind of
Speaker 1: this kind of raggedy ladies and gentlemen, because we usually
Speaker 1: do some shit professional, but just the homey glasses a
Speaker 1: g I just want to ask a few questions dog
Speaker 1: and just answer yes and no questions. Right what this
Speaker 1: shit about. Hold don't matter what it's about. Just answering
Speaker 1: my questions. Just answer my mother pucker questions said, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ask a few questions. Dog, Hold on, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna slid no curveball, just answering. No, this ain't
Speaker 1: no goofy shit. Dog? But how long was a gainst
Speaker 1: the Chronicles thought of before it actually came to effect?
Speaker 1: You know, goddamn well, you made that show. Why are
Speaker 1: you stop trying to pump shit to the public. Mante
Speaker 1: people just entertained, Yeah for show, That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: Then I just want you alone time. But why are
Speaker 1: we talking about You cannot argue over the neck? You know,
Speaker 1: goddamn what you came up with the idea? Why are
Speaker 1: we talking about these? That's all I wanted to hear. Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can't plu this to nobody else, and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be trying to prove this to nobody else. Everybody
Speaker 1: making content at the expense of a show and you
Speaker 1: just going along with it. Don't do that shit. Everybody
Speaker 1: can make their own fu content for real, That's what
Speaker 1: it is. Nowadays. Everything is about content. Man. You just
Speaker 1: had You just had a conversation with with the nigga
Speaker 1: the other day, and the nigga told you the same shit.
Speaker 1: You get here for real here, it's real shit. Nigga
Speaker 1: just told you the same shit. And my nigga who
Speaker 1: you talked to is one of the biggest niggas who
Speaker 1: in this content would you say, Gee, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 1: Look when you came to meet with Gangster Chronicles and
Speaker 1: Ship and I got the side there for a podcast
Speaker 1: called Gagster Chronicles. At that time, you only had Reggie
Speaker 1: right in mind. I remember that I brought you to
Speaker 1: who my giant this is before was even on land.
Speaker 1: This is when he just had this little piece with
Speaker 1: the dude that was doing all of the toolproc stuff.
Speaker 1: That dude, And I was like, Man, I knew who
Speaker 1: this nigga was because I heard of me. My whole
Speaker 1: life is being a figured from out the city. So
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you should use him because I
Speaker 1: believed him, and you should use alleys. The idea was
Speaker 1: already there, It was already common inly doub But you
Speaker 1: cannot win these debates own mind, because they're not really
Speaker 1: meant to be winning things. You can't win a lose.
Speaker 1: They not meant to be that, They meant to capture
Speaker 1: the public's imagination. This shit sit me. You know, God,
Speaker 1: there will This ain't the first time that this has happening.
Speaker 1: This shit normal, I would just not even get involved
Speaker 1: in it. It don't make no fucking sense. But just
Speaker 1: leave that ship alone. You're gonna make another This is
Speaker 1: another show. This showed y'all down right now is a
Speaker 1: fucking hit. That's showth gonna be huge, way bigger. So
Speaker 1: when it's every time you try to debate your brilliance
Speaker 1: for other people, man, it's gonna be a problem because
Speaker 1: the Internet don't have like normal sense. They're just gonna
Speaker 1: make their own finger n Hey, I'll call you back, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you back, bro. And that was glass
Speaker 1: of Malone. You don't't have to prove shit nowadays, and
Speaker 1: that's why this a start content nowadays. It don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck whether the shit is true or not all
Speaker 1: all all we need to do is get motherfuckers to
Speaker 1: start listening to some outland this ship, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: go because you know what I could do right now, man,
Speaker 1: I can go on this motherfucker and say whatever I
Speaker 1: want to say and half the motherfucker's out there, go
Speaker 1: believe it, just because they want to take a side.
Speaker 1: Like I had this dude, Andy didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Eight I'm I'm sitting at home and my motherfucking million
Speaker 1: dollar crib, my million dollar condo, My nigga, you're sitting
Speaker 1: at home and yo, shit, feeling good, right, you know
Speaker 1: when showing yourself writing joy in life, and you gotta
Speaker 1: brotherfucker telling you fuck you because he feels like you
Speaker 1: don't done something wrong. But one of his heroes I
Speaker 1: don't know. And you don't know this motherfucker from them
Speaker 1: day or not. You don't know him from a cannon.
Speaker 1: Just people who feel like that. Man, I tell people
Speaker 1: every day, I'm not gonna please them all. And sometimes,
Speaker 1: like I said, motherfucker, you could put out a song
Speaker 1: and it could be a nigga you ain't never seen
Speaker 1: in your life. He had just come on and be like, man,
Speaker 1: fuck you, and it's all the it's all just to
Speaker 1: start some shit. Now. You know what that motherfucker gonna do.
Speaker 1: He gonna take that shit, He's gonna post it on
Speaker 1: this page and go look, I'm going back and forth
Speaker 1: with the MCA. Yeah for realness, and that's gonna motherfucker
Speaker 1: told me and I laugh because I was in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Actually I laughed. I see who is this? Motherfucker? Fuck
Speaker 1: you Still? I see it? Damn. I might call this
Speaker 1: episode that fuck you big Still. Yeah. This episode was
Speaker 1: called fuck you be Still fuck Still day. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 1: get some T shirts made if y'all want to get them. Motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: But like Glasses just said, why why throw gas on fire?
Speaker 1: I mean because basically you can let the ship burn
Speaker 1: itself out. You give me. We've all had to deal
Speaker 1: with some type of ship since this internet ship, this
Speaker 1: podcasting shit, whatever, you get me. I had to go
Speaker 1: through the ship. You're going through the ship. James had
Speaker 1: to go through the ship. Reggie had to go through
Speaker 1: the ship. Who ain't went through some ship? You get me.
Speaker 1: As far as people not disagreeing with what's your point
Speaker 1: of view is, it's just what fucking happens. But what
Speaker 1: you gotta learn how to do and we have to
Speaker 1: do is grown men and black men and motherfuckers who
Speaker 1: can avoid controversy because that's what it is. Like a
Speaker 1: nigga just said, it's off of content. We're gonna talk talk, talk,
Speaker 1: and talk and get motherfucker's to tune in. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what do you what's the
Speaker 1: what's the end game, what's the end result at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, what's the end game? You know what? Man,
Speaker 1: all you're doing is providing content for another motherfucker to
Speaker 1: creator go back and forth, because this is not what
Speaker 1: makes it right. Yeah, that's gonna make some bread, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's what That's what it's all for the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Motherfuckers want to get paid. So this
Speaker 1: ain't the only way I get paid. It ain't the
Speaker 1: only thing I'll do either. You know, I got other
Speaker 1: forms of trying of getting paid. You're getting me, and
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing all my life. You go
Speaker 1: up next level, the next level. So not to disrespect nobody,
Speaker 1: because like I said, I ain't got beef with a motherfucker,
Speaker 1: and I don't have beef with somebody over a podcast. Damn.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing's personal, especially nothing person mostly when I've
Speaker 1: given you more than on paper which you're supposed to get.
Speaker 1: I ain't inclined. Like I said, I'm the newcomer, and
Speaker 1: I know my position and I know what it is.
Speaker 1: But like I said, man, you know, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it is what it is. It's not personal.
Speaker 1: Niggas don't have a problem with nothing as far as
Speaker 1: who you are as a man, who motherfuckers are as
Speaker 1: a man. Shit is business. If you've got a personal
Speaker 1: motherfucking problem with some then maybe that needs to be
Speaker 1: worked out the issues of whatever that shit is. But
Speaker 1: shit is business. At the fucking end of the day.
Speaker 1: You get me, just like I can get canceled tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You get me and then, And that's the thing. Who
Speaker 1: the fuck want to go through that. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting there pick doing this show by myself, and
Speaker 1: they your celebrity is twenty times bigger than mine could
Speaker 1: ever be. And I don't even like that. I don't
Speaker 1: even like looking at myself as a celebrity. I like
Speaker 1: to look at myself as a regular nigga. I've done records,
Speaker 1: I've done some movies, you know, I've done some video
Speaker 1: games and podcasting. Now I just look at it as
Speaker 1: as as a next transition. I can't wrap forever, right,
Speaker 1: like y'all saying, we we we we all diggers. We
Speaker 1: can't be raptored forever y'all want us to give up
Speaker 1: the fucking mic right now, so we have to. We
Speaker 1: have to transition. You get me. And it's nothing like
Speaker 1: I said, none of this shit is personal because this
Speaker 1: ain't got shit to do with my kids, right, It
Speaker 1: ain't got shit to do with with with my family
Speaker 1: being you know, hurt or whatever. My fucker I've been hitting.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's been talking shit about me for a long ass time,
Speaker 1: and records and everything, and they go talk shit about
Speaker 1: motherfucker's forever. Because at the end of the day, dog,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. All of this shit is meant
Speaker 1: to a list of the conversation. That's all. It is
Speaker 1: a list of the conversation. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Whatever we say, everybody ain't gonna agree with it. And
Speaker 1: my whole thing is this, I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: the most popular fucking the world. If motherfucker out there
Speaker 1: don't care care for me, whatever, that's your prerogative. Some
Speaker 1: motherfucker's want to be that and some people don't. Some
Speaker 1: of us just want to sit in a comfortable seat.
Speaker 1: And you know, you sit at the table and a
Speaker 1: comfortable seat. I ain't trying to ask for no more
Speaker 1: no less, give me what the fuck I deserve and
Speaker 1: that's it. But I'm not gonna force you to like
Speaker 1: my shit. It's like, can't I can't force the motherfucker
Speaker 1: to buy my record. You get me. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna tell a motherfucker. Oh well, so what you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Just keep buying my shit, even if
Speaker 1: you don't like it. You get me. Just keep buying
Speaker 1: my shit even if you don't like it. Fuck it.
Speaker 1: Just just just you know, man, you can support me
Speaker 1: in a better way. Man, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get let me go go back to the music
Speaker 1: for a little bigcause I didn't even mean for that
Speaker 1: to go for as long as it did. But I
Speaker 1: want to ask you one more question for we skate
Speaker 1: about this motherfucker right you in Compton, motherfucking California, Right
Speaker 1: in Compton, California. Man, you haven't done all this legend
Speaker 1: debby gangster Ship. One of my homeboys hits you up
Speaker 1: to jump on this record, and this motherfucker winds up
Speaker 1: being one of the biggest recording artists in the world.
Speaker 1: Shut up to Little Homie KP. I loved at Little
Speaker 1: Nigga man, he ain't a little nigga, no more kinder
Speaker 1: growing up on me now. But I don't know this
Speaker 1: since he was sixteen man, you know, always been incredible
Speaker 1: little dude. How you wind up on that on such
Speaker 1: a monumental West Coast trunk check though, it was kind
Speaker 1: of just befitting, you know what I mean? You know shit,
Speaker 1: you know the Compton GUIDs were lined up. I guess
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I want to first say just you know,
Speaker 1: from from the work that I've done as far as
Speaker 1: uplifting Compton, representing Compton, whether you thought it was a
Speaker 1: good song or bad song, I've always my whole career
Speaker 1: have been invested into glorifying the city of Compton. Uh.
Speaker 1: It gave me my start. It's where I you know,
Speaker 1: got all my research from, you know, Um, It's where
Speaker 1: I got to see live firsthand, you know, growing up
Speaker 1: in the hood. So after that, UM, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess they were sitting up talking, you know, Kay
Speaker 1: Punch and all the homies, you know, and I guess
Speaker 1: when they were getting ready to put the record together,
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, who do you think would
Speaker 1: fit this record? You cue that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they want to keep it authentic Compton, because there were
Speaker 1: a few choices because from what I heard, you was
Speaker 1: only supposed to be doing some talking, and you messed
Speaker 1: around a buff the whole verse. Are you supposed to
Speaker 1: do nothing? No talking but maybe an eight bar verse
Speaker 1: or something like that. I got to the studio, you know,
Speaker 1: Kendrick had already you know, kind of lined me up
Speaker 1: for you know, and that's something about him as far
Speaker 1: as you know. Usually when I go in the studio niggas,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the concept what we're talking about? Niggas
Speaker 1: is like, man, just do you And so he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do this. He let me listen to, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a hooker, and he was telling me
Speaker 1: about what he was thinking. He was telling me about
Speaker 1: certain shit he wanted me to say, and I'm like, oh, this,
Speaker 1: my nigga got direction. He already. Yeah, he's a little
Speaker 1: brilliant dude. Man, he's a brilliant motherfucker. So when I
Speaker 1: got there and we talked and I heard the beat,
Speaker 1: I already knew it was gonna be cracking because that
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite songs out from Cube Bird
Speaker 1: in the Hand, Um, I thought that was just one
Speaker 1: of the most that's what that was. It was a
Speaker 1: flip of bird Man. I just thought it was one
Speaker 1: of the most brilliant records even today. Bird in the
Speaker 1: Hand was the shit man that number one. Motherfuck me.
Speaker 1: Y'all got jay Z's and y'all got you know, Ken Driggs,
Speaker 1: and we got the Drakes and we got there. But Man,
Speaker 1: Cube was my nigga. Man. Nobody could fade Ice Cube
Speaker 1: man with that microphone. So, um, when I heard Bird
Speaker 1: in the Hand, Man, and I just I just went
Speaker 1: off on the record. It wasn't even a second thought.
Speaker 1: As soon as I heard the beat, I went to
Speaker 1: the car and I wrote the verse in the car
Speaker 1: and I came back in. So you went to the
Speaker 1: car wrote the verse. Yeah, Yeah, it was one of them.
Speaker 1: It was one of them type of songs that you
Speaker 1: knew was gonna be significant. So I didn't just want
Speaker 1: to stand there and just write just some dumb shit,
Speaker 1: you know, just yeah man Compton and you know the hood,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to really and I didn't even hear
Speaker 1: his verse. I just heard the beat and heard he
Speaker 1: was telling me how the song was gonna go. And
Speaker 1: then when he told me what he wanted me to
Speaker 1: say after his verse went off, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, this is my fuck gonna
Speaker 1: be cracking. So I went to the car, wrote the verse,
Speaker 1: Dingo came back in and laid it they was going
Speaker 1: now to be honest that I think they was gonna
Speaker 1: use it. Uh No, I've been on a lot of
Speaker 1: songs with you know dudes who it just happens like that.
Speaker 1: It might make the project, it might not. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: just don't fit it exactly. So, and then coming from
Speaker 1: you know, coming from my Nigga and them from TDE
Speaker 1: and then coming from Aftermath and know you're dealing with
Speaker 1: Dre and then knowing you dealing with you know, Punch
Speaker 1: and my nigga Top Top like this motherfucker. But that
Speaker 1: concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure
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