1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: A beautiful young brunette mom Amanda Pardie, distraught over the 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: state of her relationship, shoots herself with a three eighty 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: sitting beside the bed in the marital bedroom. Or did 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: she I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: for being with us Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. According 6 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: to Sheriff's seals, the officer says his wife committed suicide 7 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: in this house. No charges have been filed, but the 8 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: sheriff is also not yet confirming it was a suicide. 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: The scene was suspicious in nature, the sheriff says. Etton 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Police officer Michael Seth Parult's wife, Amanda, was found dead 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: in their home on Monday. The two were the only 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: people in the house at the time, only two of them, 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: only Amanda and Michael fifth Parrault. Less than a week earlier, 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Parult was arrested in charge with a simple battery in 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: connection to an alleged domestic dispute. There appears to be 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: a long history of domestic abuse. According to sials, Michael 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't call nine one. Instead, he called his boss, Eatenton 18 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Police Chief Kent Lawrence. Perrault had told him that his 19 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: wife had killed herself and we of course responded immediately 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: to the scene. sALS made it clear Parrault is not 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: a suspect at this point and it is currently a 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: death investigation, not a homicide investigation. It's amazing how so 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: many women commit suicide in the middle of domestic relations problems. 24 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Let me just say youphemistically, you are hearing our friends 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: at Channel thirteen WMAZ. That was Zach Merchant speaking to 26 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff Howard Seals. What really happen to Amanda Parju Perrault 27 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: in the prime of her life? Absolutely stunning. She's found dead. 28 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: She's found dead. Her husband says, they have been arguing 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: and she just hold off and shot herself. M M. 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: A beautiful, beautiful woman, an ideal life, at least on 31 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I'mancy Grace. This is crime Stories. 32 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Will we can we 33 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: ever know the truth about what happened to Amanda? What 34 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: do forensics tell us? What does the situation tell us? 35 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: What does the demeanor before and after of all the 36 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: parties involved tell us? What logical conclusions can we draw? 37 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: And can we discern the truth in this matter? Jim 38 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Elliott with me, renowned attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel 39 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: for multiple state and local municipalities. You can find him 40 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: at Butler's Snow dot com. Jaane shell nutt our friend 41 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro Major kse swat officer, now lawyer, 42 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the Stars. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from LA. 43 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, the medical Examiner for the 44 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: State of Florida. And I say the emphasis on the 45 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: because a lot of municipalities have their own. Gallagher is 46 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the EMMY for the State of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher. 47 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs with me reporter, Union Recorder, Millisville, and special 48 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: guests Nichela Bots, domestic violence abuse survivor. Let that sink 49 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: in for a moment. First, to Billy Hobbs with the 50 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: Union Recorder in Millersville, Georgia. Let's just start at the beginning. 51 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: When I'm explaining something to a jury or trying to 52 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: they could probably explain it to me better. I start 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning. We go from ABC to Z and 54 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: I like to hear every detail, Billy, no detail is 55 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: too small for me to hear. I want to hear 56 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: first about the location. Where did these two live? Was 57 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: it a house? Wasn't an apartment? Was it a condo? 58 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Was it a trailer? What can you tell me? Was 59 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: it a good neighborhood? Was it a crime ridden neighborhood? 60 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Did they have a grassy yard and a swing set 61 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: in the back? Tell me what do you know? Yes, 62 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: indeed the house was a two story house located on 63 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: Lake o Coney in Putnam County. Okay, wait a minute, 64 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, Billy Hobbs. Hold on, 65 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: did you say located on Lake o Coney? Was it 66 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: a lake front property? Yes, that's expensive and beautiful. See 67 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: I didn't have the value that two hundred and fifty 68 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You know, a quarter million dollar house on 69 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: the waterfront in Putnam County, Eatonton, Georgia is equal to 70 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: a million and a half two million, say upstate New York. 71 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Even more if you head out to California, a two 72 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: story house on the waterfront. Okay, let me rinked that 73 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: in for a moment. Okay, go from there. Okay, it's 74 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: located on actually one thirty three Long Island Drive within 75 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the Long Island Forest Subdivision, and that is not too 76 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: far from the lake itself. Now, wait a minute, I'm 77 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: looking at a photo of her, and she is on 78 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: a gorgeous wedding dress. Really, Jackie, look at this. Look 79 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: at this with a little keyhole loop in the front. 80 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: And I'm not one to look at clothing choices or 81 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: fashion choices at all, but my point is she looks 82 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: like the happiest bride ever. She's in front of a 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: waterfall and she's kissing the husband, Michael Seth Perot. And 84 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: here's my They've got three children. There's one that looks 85 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: like she's about four or five, one of looks like 86 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: she's about eleven or twelve thirteen, and a boy that 87 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: looks like he maybe ten. Where did they come from? 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure they didn't just pop up miraculously at the wedding. 89 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: Where are they from other marriages? Who are these children? 90 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: We don't know who the children are, Nancy, but we 91 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: do know that that Seth, as he is known by 92 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: family and friends. He goes by the name Seth. He 93 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: did back to have a alt who which his biological daughter. 94 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: She was eight years old. She was in the home 95 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: at the time that he knows of the first argument. 96 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: You know, to Psychoanist to the Stars Bethany Marshall and 97 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com. Doctor Bethany, no offense, but 98 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: I want to get your mind out of your one 99 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars boots that your clients buy on Rodeo Drive 100 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: aka Rodeo and get your head into this case. This 101 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: is one of your specialties, doctor Bethany. It's one thing 102 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: to argue with your spouse. It's an entirely other thing 103 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: to carry on over and over and over in front 104 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: of your children. I think a little argument is healthy 105 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: because they've got to know parents don't always agree and 106 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: they can argue, and that's okay. That doesn't mean you're 107 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: going to get a divorce. That doesn't mean anybody's going 108 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: to walk out. It's normal. But repeated raising the voices 109 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and threatening I've read reports said he was quote super 110 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: jealous and that on occasion had red marks on her 111 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: neck and chest. What does that due to children, Bethany, Well, Nancy, 112 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: when we think of trauma and post traumatic stress, it's 113 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: not just having something done to you, but witnessing a 114 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: traumatic event that's being perpetrated upon another person. So not 115 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: only is this eight year old being subjected to physical 116 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: and verbal violence in the household, that she's witnessing her 117 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: mother in anguish and in pain. Now you talked about 118 00:07:53,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: the jealousy. Perpetrators of domestic violence are always pathologically jealous. 119 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: They cannot distinguish between separateness and betrayal. So the minute 120 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the wife leaves the house, the minute she smiles at somebody, 121 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: has a friendship, has coffee with somebody, they imagine that 122 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: they're about to be abandoned and betrayed, and then that 123 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: leads them to become very disregulated, meaning they can't calm 124 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: themselves down. There's no objectivity. It's almost like a psychosis 125 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: sets in where they have lack of reality testing and 126 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: they believe in that moment that they have been cheated on. 127 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: Feelings get turned into fact and then they go in 128 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: for the attack. You know, I was looking at this 129 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: photo I was talking about back to Billy Hobbs, reporter 130 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: with the Union Recorder, Millageable, Georgia. This wedding photo. Now, 131 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I know that they have a bio daughter, an eight 132 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: year old daughter, but I think that's who this little 133 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: girl is of the three children. But I also know 134 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: that she had sent text messages two friends saying, quote, 135 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: have a nice place. I'm talking about that two story 136 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll just call it a mansion. Let's put it out 137 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: there on the waterfront. But living in a prison. Going 138 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: to delete these messages. He may still see them, but 139 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: keep them for me, please hold on, Billy Hobbes initial 140 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: about's domestic violence abuse survivor want sin initial a bots 141 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. When I see that 142 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: he may still see them, but keep them for me, please, 143 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: that is that's a bad sign initiala, Yes, ma'am natzy 144 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: that is. And from my experience, what Amanda was doing 145 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: at that time was leaving a paper trail per se. 146 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: That is something that I did as well. I would 147 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: search things or leave record on my phone, sind text 148 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: message and ask people to delete them but keep them 149 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: for me. So absolutely Amanda was leaving a paper trail 150 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: with me. Were now to turning. Jim Elliott. You can 151 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: find him at butlersnow dot com. Jim Elliott. I remember 152 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: a big, big case I tried, multi millionaire house burned down. 153 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: The fire department found him lounging romanesque like he was 154 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: eating some grapes in the neighbor's yard. Fully dressed with 155 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: belt and wallet. Three am neighbor's front yard house burning 156 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: down Like Nero played the violin while Rome burned, But 157 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: after they spoke to him for about four minutes, he went, oh, yeah, 158 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: my wife's in there. And at trial I will never forget. 159 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Judge Elizabeth Long would not let me allow in evidence 160 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: of the victim in that case told her best friend, 161 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: who was also a piano teacher like her, reminded me 162 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of my mom, Jim. The victim kept a key to 163 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: the friends home in her pocketbook in case she ever 164 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: needed a place to go. And I could not get 165 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: that into evidence. That the victim who said that couldn't 166 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: be cross examined. Try as I did, with all the 167 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: exceptions to the hearsay rule. I tried everyone I could. 168 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: It could possibly use, excited utterance, you name it, course 169 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: of conduct, everything. She wouldn't let it in. But it's 170 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the same thing here, Jim. Why would that sort of 171 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: evidence not come in at trial? Well, to your point, 172 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean the inability to cross examine it doesn't fall 173 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: within one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule. As 174 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: we know that we know as lawyers, that's what I 175 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: would suspect is that. I think it's just because we 176 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: have decided that hearsay evidence has so much potential to 177 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: be misinterpreted or misunderstood, or mischaracters spoken like a true 178 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: defense attorney. Remind me if I ever get arrested from 179 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: murdering David to Hire Jim Elliott Crime stories with Nancy Grace, 180 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: any unattended death that is required by law to be 181 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: investigated in Georgia, you approach it obviously objectively, but you're 182 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: looking for any sign and wrong do they? Okay, there's 183 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: a possibility Hosie been ruled out, yet absolutely not whatever 184 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: the investigation determines. Penny Dobbs, who lives up the street 185 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: in this quiet lakeside community, says Putnam County will miss 186 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Amanda Perrault, one of the most beautiful people I've ever SeMet, 187 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: Very sweet, very can Other neighbors we talked to didn't 188 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: want to speak on camera, but some were worried about 189 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: this case and said they want to find out what happened. 190 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: That's interesting that even neighbors were afraid to speak on camera. 191 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend, Zach Merchant at WMAZ News thirteen, 192 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: what happened to Amanda Pergie Perrault in the prime of 193 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: her life, brunette, beauty, three children. Why does she end 194 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: up dead in the family home. Back to Billy Hobbs, 195 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: reporter of the Union Recorder in Milligeville, Georgia. So that 196 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: day leading up to the shooting, what do we know? 197 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: First of all, how long have these two been married? 198 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: Do we know that it's about two years Nancy, But 199 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: they have been in a relationship for about eight years 200 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: according to authorities. And the child, the child that we 201 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, is the eight year old daughter of 202 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: Seth Perot. He had custody of his biological daughter that 203 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: was not the daughter of Amanda. Okay, you know the 204 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: reports I read said that was their child together. I'm 205 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: glad you told me that because that could make a difference. 206 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: And I'm sure doctor Bethany Marshall's going to get into that. 207 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: The husband, Michael Perrot, says he and his wife were 208 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: arguing when she whipped out a gun and shot herself. Now, 209 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Billy Hobbs. Did he call 210 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: nine one one? He did not call now one one 211 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: After she reached in and got the three eighty caliber 212 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: pistol from the night stand, in the master bedroom of 213 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: the couple. He actually called Kent Lawrence, the police chief 214 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: of Eatington, that was his boss at the time. And 215 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you about Eatonton, Georgia. It's beautiful. I 216 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: worked there and spent a lot of time there at 217 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: the National Fourage Center as a camp counselor just beautiful. 218 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: But I've got a problem. I have a problem with 219 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: him not calling nine one one. Now. One more thing 220 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I got to ask you, Billy Hobbs. She was shot 221 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: one time. Tell me about the wound one time in 222 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the head, one time in the head. Do we know 223 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: if it's in the side of the head, the back 224 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: of the head of what We know that it was 225 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: in the side of the head, round the ear, and 226 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: that it went out the other side, exited out and 227 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: then the exit wound into a wall in the bedroom, 228 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher at the Medical Examiner State of Florida, 229 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, depending on the trajectory path, we know it's 230 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: probably right to left, but we don't know if it 231 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: was upwards to downwards. For instance, if that trajectory path 232 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: went in above the right ear and then came down 233 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: out below the left back jaw, I'd find that very 234 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: difficult to believe it was suicide because of the angle. 235 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: She'd have to be holding the gun straight up and 236 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: down for that trajectory path to happen. So it's not 237 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: just a matter of if she's shot in the bat 238 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: or the back of the head, you know that's not suicide. 239 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: There are other ways to determine if a gunshot wound 240 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: is suicide or homicide based on the trajectory path. But 241 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about something more subtle, 242 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiner, State of Florida, Something that 243 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: we know from statistics, from method and assessment of homicide 244 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: and suicide that very rarely does a woman shoot herself 245 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: in the head. Very rarely. Statistically, that almost never happens. Yes, 246 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: it happens very rarely. I don't know why. But isn't 247 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: that true, doctor Gallagher, Well, you're right, nan See, trajectory 248 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: does play a major role in determining whether it's the 249 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: case of a suicide case or a homicide case, or 250 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: an accident or something else. You're right. The trajectory gunpowder 251 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: residue on the wound areas makes a big difference that 252 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: has to be present in order for the contact gunshot, 253 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: wound to be assessed. All of these things, the facts 254 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: of the scenario also have to be put into place. 255 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: But you're right, women typically do not shoot themselves in 256 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: the head, and the reason is kind of a fuzzy one. 257 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: But people tend to shoot the things that bother them. 258 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: And if somebody is in a very emotional crisis, say 259 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: that their heart is breaking, then they tend to shoot 260 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: themselves in the heart or in the chest, and women 261 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: are more likely to do that than men. Men who 262 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: have mental problems or are in some sort of mental 263 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: anguish over some scenario tend to shoot themselves where it 264 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: hurts in their brain, you know. So that's that's kind 265 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: of the reason why women do not typically shoot themselves 266 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: in the head. And if they do, they typically have 267 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: a background of mental problems. They've been baker acted, they've 268 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: been they've been institutionalized, and they shoot quote unquote the 269 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: voices in their head or the thing that is bothering them, 270 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: which would be more in their head than in their hearts. Well, 271 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: the gender as it relates to suicide risk and the 272 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: role of the wound side, is extremely problematic. We know 273 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: males have a much higher suicide rate than females. I 274 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: always think it's because females have too much to do 275 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: to go get a gun and shoot themselves. They've got 276 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: to take care of the children, they've got to work, 277 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: they've got to cook dinner. Block bloh, bloh. As I 278 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: like to say to James a shell nut. A man's 279 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: work is done at the side of the sun, but 280 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: a woman's work it's never done. Boy, if I learned 281 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: that in spades, let me tell you, shell nut, how 282 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: many times have you seen a woman commits suicide by 283 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: shooting herself in the head. Oh, it's it's very rarely 284 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: him and commit suicides. We talked about Peel's poison gunshot 285 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: one to the head, very very rare. Crime stories with 286 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace appears to be a long history of themestic views. 287 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: According to Sills, Michael didn't call nine one. Instead, he 288 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: called his boss, Eatonton Police Chief Kent Lawrence. Parrault had 289 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: told him that his wife had killed herself, and we 290 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: of course responded immediately to the scene. Sills made it 291 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: clear Parrault is not a suspect at this point, and 292 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: it is currently a death investigation, not a homicide investigation. 293 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: M hmmm. That is our friend, Zach Merchant at thirteen 294 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: wma Z and he's speaking with the Eatonton Police Chief, 295 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: Kent Lawrence. We were just talking about how this gorgeous 296 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: young mom, Amanda Pardue Perrault, found dead after an argument 297 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: with her husband. He says, she just took out a 298 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: gun and shot herself. She just couldn't take it anymore. 299 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: The husband, Michael Seth Perrault, calls his boss at law 300 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: enforcement instead of nine one one. But we were just 301 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: talking about women and men and how significant it is 302 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: that the gunshot wound that killed Amanda was to the head. 303 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: If you take a look at gender suicide ratio wound 304 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: side to the area of the body that is wounded 305 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: in firearm suicide. Males, of course have a much higher 306 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: suicide rate because of their likelihood for killing themselves number one, 307 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: or shooting themselves, but the gender difference regarding facial disfigurement 308 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: and suicidal intent. Very often you will see statistically a 309 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: woman try to commit suicide. It doesn't work as opposed 310 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: to a man. It works more often, not always, but 311 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: it works more often if they really want to commit suicide. 312 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, we know that women are almost 313 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: fifty percent less likely than men to shoot themselves, much 314 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: less in the head. What do you make of it, Well, 315 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: let's say double's advocate for a moment, and let's assume 316 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: she shot herself. Okay, that she's the rare female who 317 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: picks up a gun and shoots herself in the head. 318 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: What would cause that? What we would typically see would 319 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: be someone with a personality disorder called orline personality. Oh, 320 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: here you go, when are you going to work in 321 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: sexual sadism? I can't wait, Jackie, and I just wait 322 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: for that sexual sadism to come in now. I certainly 323 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: do not want to dissuade you from doing that. But 324 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, there's nothing, nothing in the evidence whatsoever to 325 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: suggest she had any mental impairment at all. Well, this 326 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: is true, but I don't want to throw the husband 327 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: under the bus so soon, because but you don't have 328 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to have a mental issue to suddenly commit suicide. We 329 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: have teens commit suicide. We have people that seemingly are 330 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: perfectly sane and no problems commit suicide. You know, Nancy, 331 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. But I would say in this case, 332 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: if she committed suicide, you would see a history of 333 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: her being unstable in some way, perhaps being a cutter, 334 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: and having the kind of a personality type where whenever 335 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: she was angry at her husband, she turned the rage 336 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: back against herself. Somebody who maybe threw her children into 337 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: the arguments, somebody who had a repeated suicide attempt, somebody 338 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: who is maybe in some kind of psychiatric care. I 339 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: would at least look at the behavioral evidence. I would 340 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: look at her history, and I would try to rule 341 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: out some kind of personality disorder and some kind of 342 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: mood dysregulation in a combination with impulsility, because that is 343 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: what you would see. Well, according to her doctor Bethany, 344 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: you may want to make a note of this for 345 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: a future use. According to her, she didn't have any 346 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: emotional or mental illnesses. According to her, her problem was 347 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: she was married to an s ob. Now that is 348 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: a technical legal term that I learned in dom rell 349 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: as we called it at Mercer University domestic relations. The 350 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: s ob factor. Let me get back to Billy Howes, 351 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: reporter of the Union Recorder, Millageville, Georgia. Billy lightning round. 352 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Do you know her dominant hand? Was she right handed? 353 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: I do not know what side of the head was 354 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: the wound, was the entry. The sheriff has refused to 355 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: get into any type of evidence really, any of that. 356 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: Huh okay, that's interesting that none of the evidence is 357 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: being released. I mean to you, Jim Elliott lawyer, Butler 358 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: snow dot com. Jim, isn't that a public record or 359 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: are they shrouding it because it's ongoing investigation? Yeah, it's 360 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: just the ongoing investimential. Just the initial insident report would 361 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: be subject to release under Georgia law, and everything dealing 362 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: with appending prosecution would be not subject to being released. 363 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: My goodness, you certainly rattle that off. You were ready 364 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: for me. James shell Nutt twenty seven years swat Now lawyer. 365 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Did you hear Billy Hobbs say he didn't call nine 366 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: one one? That's troubling? Yeah, you know that that's a 367 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: little bit troublesome for me. You know, it seems to 368 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: me that he's calling somebody that he's familiar with, somebody 369 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: that he thinks, maybe you know, an ally of his 370 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: in the situation, to possibly even set the stage of 371 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: the investigation or to set the posture of it, you know, 372 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: going back and looking at you know, we're talking about 373 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: some of the evidence. Just putting my investigative handle for 374 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: just a minute. You know, one of the first things 375 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: I want to do when I get out there certainly 376 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: secure the scene. But while they have him there, I 377 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: think it's a great idea for those investigators that they 378 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: didn't already do it at that time, to do a 379 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: gunshot residue test. You know, that's something that would confirm 380 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: whether or not this guy fired a weapon. And they're 381 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: also going to do a gunshot do test on the 382 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: female in this case to see if she fired a weapon. Um, 383 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: you know that that's part of the evidence that we 384 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: need to be secured at the scene. Do we know, 385 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs, the Union Recorder investigative reporter, did they do 386 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: a GSR gunshot residue? Yeah, there's our understanding that they 387 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: did that on both the victim and Tess Peru. Why 388 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: do you say that because he was not arrested, He 389 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: and she were the only ones in the home. She's dead, 390 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: he's alive, he was not arrested. Why would you think 391 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: they did GSR gunshot residue test? Do you know that 392 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: in most cases like this or whatever, just to rule 393 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: out the possibilities of this or that, and to establish 394 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: whether or not to that happened the way that the 395 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: person who's still alive said that it happened. Well, of course, 396 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs, you're right again, but that doesn't mean that 397 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: they did it. Of course they should do it. But 398 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: did they do it? Do you know that they did it? 399 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: Do you have a reason to believe they did it? Yeah? 400 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: That's our understanding is that they did do that on 401 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: both the victim and do you know the results? But 402 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: I do not. Another fact that has been kept secret 403 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: joining me Initila Bought's domestic violence abuse survivor. What do 404 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: you make of this initiala natcy First of all, prayers 405 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: of the today year old child, Amanda's child that witnessed 406 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: some of the abuse. I believe of the red marks 407 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: on her neck and throat, obviously she had been choked. 408 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: The paper trail is a big was a big key 409 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: point for me. Obviously, she was trying to leave signs 410 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: that something was going on. She was in fear for 411 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: her life and she was trying to leave a trail 412 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: for somebody to find out. This gorgeous young woman, a 413 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: brunette beauty, reports her cop husband for a domestic violence 414 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: and now she's dead. She's found dead single gunshot went 415 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: to the head in the marital bedroom. Also, I'm curious 416 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: because on the day she dies, Billy Hobbs, reporter the 417 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: Union Recorder in Miligeable. On the day she dies, her 418 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Facebook profile is changed to that picture I'm talking about 419 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: that photo of her and a wedding dress with a husband, 420 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: Michael Seth Pierrot, and their children in front of a waterfall. 421 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: So when did that happen? When was the Facebook page 422 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: changed before or after the shooting? Posably before the shooting, Nancy, 423 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: In about forty five to fifty five minutes prior to 424 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: that shooting, that Facebook page was changed to sweating photo. Question, 425 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: do you know what the picture was before it was 426 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: changed to a wedding photo? I do not, you know. 427 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: I'd be curious, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanaist joining me out 428 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Bethany, I would be really curious if 429 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: her photo before the shooting was a single shot of 430 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: her like pretty, maybe edited, maybe photoshot, maybe through a 431 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: filter where she's young, attractive, beautiful, and then somehow it 432 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: gets changed to a picture of her with her, her 433 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: husband and family. Wouldn't that be quite the coincidence? Nancy, 434 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: You are spot on because as I was listening to 435 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: the reporter and to the details of this story, I 436 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: had this mental image of the two of them fighting 437 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: and fighting and fighting, and some kind of obsessional paranoia 438 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: on his part that she's been cheating on him. And 439 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, when people are obsessed, they have this thing 440 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: called confirmation bias, where they point to every little, tiny, 441 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: little speck of evidence that could confirm their paranoia. So 442 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: I imagine imagined him combing through the Facebook asking to 443 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: look at her phone and asking who she's been talking to, 444 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: and a fight that keeps escalating over time, and her, 445 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, reflectively changing it to this happy photo of 446 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: them on the wedding day with the three children, just 447 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: to appease him, Nancy. But you know when men are 448 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: in that state, they often cannot be appeased. It keeps 449 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: escalating until there's a huge explosion of violence because they 450 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: use the violence in a way to push it to 451 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: the edge to then calm themselves back down again. I 452 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: know it's counterintuitive, but that's how it works. Time stories 453 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Deputies on the scene see red marks 454 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: on her chest and around her neck. Now we also 455 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: know that the eight year old daughter had witnessed mommy 456 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: and daddy fighting and saw her father shove shove Amanda. 457 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: This is before the shooting. Billy Hops, what do we 458 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: know about that? That particular incident Nancy happened six days 459 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: before the shooting, which specifically was on Tuesday, January twenty eight, 460 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: twenty What happened that day that day is when Day 461 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: first got into the argument that led to deputies with 462 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: the Putnam County Sheriff's Office going to the couple's home 463 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: and in turn arresting Seth Perrault for the two misdemeanor 464 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: charges that he was he was charged with. And then 465 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: he gets right out. How long was he behind bars 466 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: on a previous attack on her? We do not know 467 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: of any of those incidents. If they were any, they 468 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: were not reported to the thirties. Now, I mean on 469 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: that day, the day that he was arrested on a 470 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: misdemeanor assault on her, before she's murdered, before she's dead. 471 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: How long was he behind bars or was he behind 472 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: bars at all? Yeah? He was, he was actually behind bars. 473 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: He stayed in jail that sixty night that Wednesday. The 474 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: following day, he actually had a bond hearing before a 475 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: chief magistrate in Putnam County named Dorothy Adams, who stay 476 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: at fifteen hundred dollars. Fifteen hundred dollars you put he 477 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: only put down ten percent. He's out on one hundred 478 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. Does a few hours and then five 479 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: days later she's dead. Wow, that's quite the timeline. Quite 480 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: the timeline. We know that she told her friend Harry 481 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: that her husband was quote super jealous and quote records everything. Huh. 482 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: I have a nice place, but living in a prison. 483 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: Going to delete these messages he may still see them. 484 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm good for now, I promise, she added, when her 485 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: friend expressed concern. Held my own for eight years with him. 486 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: Please swear you're going to keep these for me in 487 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: case anything ever happens to me. You can share them 488 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: with my mother. We have confirmed through family members that 489 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Pero never called her parents to tell them about her death. Instead, 490 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: they find out their daughter is dead through their grandson. Wow. 491 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Often she would complain to her family, only to her 492 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: mom and dad anyway, about her husband striking her, kicking 493 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: her out of the house, choking her one time she 494 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: told her mother he had dragged her across the pavement 495 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: to James Shelnut twenty seven years major case now attorney James, 496 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: how many times have you had a woman report over 497 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: and over and over her fear beatings, dragging across the pavement, 498 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: slapping in front of the children, the whole whole nine yards. 499 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Then she ends up dead because some judge lets the 500 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: purp out and he goes right back and she ends 501 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: up dead. Mommy's dead. Yeah, you know that. The children 502 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times, all the forgotten victims. You know, 503 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: we focus on the person who actually lost their life, 504 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: as we should, but you know, these children live this 505 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: over and over and over. You know, quite often in 506 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: situations like this thing is see, you know you think 507 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: about it for the kids. You know, they love both 508 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: mom and dad. I love both of a mom and 509 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 1: dad and may both love them, but in the same token. 510 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: You know, when dad does this to mom, or in 511 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: the rare situation where mom may do it to dad, 512 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, these kids lose not just one parent, they 513 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: lose both parents. One is dead and one is in prison. 514 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: And these children grow up parentless and having to move 515 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: in with some family member and have their lives just 516 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: totally disrupted, have their childhoods destroyed, And it is just 517 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: really sad what happens to these kids to Dodger, Bethany Marshall, 518 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: help us out. Bethany James is reflecting exactly what I 519 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: was thinking. That there is not only the witnessing of 520 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: the domestic violence multiple times a household that is just 521 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,239 Speaker 1: a powder keg of emotion, terror that mommy is going 522 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: to be killed by daddy, taking sides and then feeling 523 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: guilty about it. But now there's this disruption of the 524 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: attachment system on both sides. And as the reporter mentioned earlier, 525 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: the eight year old was in the care of the father, 526 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: the full care. He has full custody. So that means 527 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: this eight year old has had a string of losses. 528 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: First of all, she's been removed from the biological mother's 529 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: home to the father. Now the father's behind bars, Now 530 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: the stepmother is dead. Potentially she's going to be separated 531 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: from her other siblings if they cannot find a home 532 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: where all three can reside together. Hopefully they can reside together, 533 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: and then who knows what future events in her life 534 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: might reinforce or underscore the anxieties that have started in 535 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: this household. What these children need are very secure attachments 536 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: to stay together, to be with at least a third 537 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: degree relative, somebody who loves them and care for them 538 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: and can provide the safety and stability that will help 539 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: to actualize their resilience. Because children are also resilient, we 540 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: all are, but they need a household that will foster 541 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: that resilience going forward. Well, here's an interesting quote. Apparently 542 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: there was a lot of tranquility in the home, a 543 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: lack of tranquility. For those of you that care about 544 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: domestic violence, listen to this. I was personally at that hearing. 545 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: The Chief Magistrate, Dorothy Adams, very specifically was interested in 546 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: putting a condition to bond that he not have contact 547 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: with his wife. However, she was here at that bond 548 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: hearing and she asserted to the court that he had 549 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: no place to go and it was okay for him 550 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: to come back home. So, feeling pity for the husband, 551 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,479 Speaker 1: she allows him to come back home since he said 552 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: he had no place to go, and now she's dead. 553 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox five. This 554 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: is Angelique Procter Parult is being moved from the Putnam 555 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: County Jail to another facility for his protection. The sheriff 556 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: confirmed Parrault had been arrested on unrelated misdemeanor charges in 557 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: the past past, but did not know if he was convicted. 558 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: Sheriff has some advice for anyone who is a victim 559 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: of domestic violence. If you're in a situation of domestic violence, 560 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: and we are just we're looking into this relationship from 561 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: a long turn standpoint now, but if you're in that, 562 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, get out of it and utilize the laws 563 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: and things that are available to you. And a lot 564 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: of times that is easier said than done, the sheriff says, 565 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: for alt has already been moved to that undisclosed location. 566 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. It's not as easy as 567 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: just quote get out. If you need help, please dial 568 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: toll free eight hundred seven nine nine safe repeat eight 569 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: hundred seven nine nine seven two three three seven nine 570 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: nine seven two three three. It's too late for a 571 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: man to pardue, but it's not too late for you. 572 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, Goodbye friend,