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Speaker 5: So far, I've literally been given zero information or direction
Speaker 5: on how to do this job, and I kind of
Speaker 5: feel like we should just continue that trend. It's kind
Speaker 5: of fitting. It's like the show just no one told
Speaker 5: me anything. They're like, eh, have fun, kid, good luck.
Speaker 4: So Rob, I'm gonna let you in on a little something,
Speaker 4: which actually might be a perfect way to start season seven.
Speaker 4: When we first sat down to start talking about this,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember, you looked at us
Speaker 4: on FaceTime, you go, but what are we going to
Speaker 4: talk about? And we be like, who knows, We'll make
Speaker 4: it up as we go along. Well, no, till we
Speaker 4: start like there is no direction, we just get to try.
Speaker 3: It's terrifying, but great for you, Rob. You're good at
Speaker 3: him prov.
Speaker 5: And I'm not afraid to make an ass of myself.
Speaker 5: I'm comfortable with that's my strike zone. So I feel
Speaker 5: like we're good.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, now that we've gotten a little bit of
Speaker 4: how the sausage is made, out of the way, Robertel
Speaker 4: take us away, read us our synopsis at the beginning
Speaker 4: of season seven.
Speaker 5: Oh, I have waited so long for this moment. Season seven,
Speaker 5: episode one, four thirty am. Apparently they were traveling abroad.
Speaker 5: Air date September fourteenth, two thousand and nine. Nathan learns
Speaker 5: of a shocking accusation that could threaten his career, much
Speaker 5: to the chagrin of his sports agent, Clay Chagrin. All Right,
Speaker 5: Brooke prepares to launch a new fashion line, and Julian
Speaker 5: decides to produce a big movie. Haley's sister Quinn, makes
Speaker 5: a surprise visit. Meanwhile, Jamie celebrates his seventh birthday directed
Speaker 5: by Clark Mathis.
Speaker 4: Robert, you have just soothing synopsis voice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've spent so much time practicing two hours in
Speaker 5: the shower this morning, so that is really helpful and
Speaker 5: good feedback to get.
Speaker 3: Have you been told that you have a good radio voice?
Speaker 3: Is this like something that's followed you in life?
Speaker 5: More a good face for radio. I one time had
Speaker 5: a friend who did voice over, tell me, yeah, you
Speaker 5: do the cool guy vocal fry, and I said what.
Speaker 5: She was like, it's what cool people have. And it
Speaker 5: was the only time I ever thought like, oh, oh,
Speaker 5: it's not fun to become aware of something you do
Speaker 5: all the time, you know. Yeah, that said, this is
Speaker 5: a great episode. We're so happy to be here.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: I know how you feel about that. I remember this
Speaker 4: was not long ago, like this was pretty recent. Someone
Speaker 4: showed me a video like a bunch of us were
Speaker 4: out to lunch and a friend of ours had taken
Speaker 4: this video and they're like, isn't it so funny like that?
Speaker 4: I just love that you always do that gag, like
Speaker 4: when you really love a sandwich and you pretend to
Speaker 4: go cross side. And I was like what And literally
Speaker 4: one of my best friends went what And I was
Speaker 4: like what are you talking about? And they were like,
Speaker 4: you're not doing that as a joke and I was like,
Speaker 4: doing what as a joke? And they literally replayed me
Speaker 4: the video and I was like, is that what I
Speaker 4: look like when I eat a sandwich? And I apparently
Speaker 4: when I'm really enjoying something I'm eating. Not apparently actually
Speaker 4: I've seen it now in video evidence. Basically go like
Speaker 4: a really odd version of cross eye. And a lot
Speaker 4: of my friends thought I was being due purposefully funny,
Speaker 4: and I am a little horrified by it.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 5: This is going to translate to every single time you
Speaker 5: and I hang out, me slyly trying to get you
Speaker 5: to order a sandwich. Oh, yes, we should have sandwi,
Speaker 5: which is it's total.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go to Potato Chip Deli today. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, sorry, you're bummed out. You know what would make
Speaker 5: you feel better? Probably a sandwich?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean enjoy you're pointing it out. I
Speaker 4: am like, I'm a true sandwich person, so you know,
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 5: There's nothing worse than when I will speak for myself.
Speaker 5: At the first acting class I ever took, it was
Speaker 5: a commercial acting class, and the teacher said, you should
Speaker 5: you should start to figure out how you look like
Speaker 5: when you're just being so set up a camera and
Speaker 5: sit in front of it and just call your friends
Speaker 5: and family and just record. And I didn't get more
Speaker 5: than probably three minutes into watching that video before I
Speaker 5: was horrified just all of the things I do that
Speaker 5: I was wildly unaware of so listeners, if you really
Speaker 5: want to get hyper self aware and uncomfortable, record yourself
Speaker 5: casually having conversations and just see all the things not
Speaker 5: aware that you do all the time.
Speaker 4: I can't decide if that would be a great tip
Speaker 4: or if it would just make me implode as a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but after the implosion, I think it would help.
Speaker 3: I think it would help every It helps every It's
Speaker 3: got to help every actor, right, like to be able
Speaker 3: to know how like how to feel in your body
Speaker 3: that you know, when you're on a set, if you're
Speaker 3: not doing some of those things, you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: not connected, I'm like feeling punky. I don't know. Did
Speaker 3: help you?
Speaker 5: Initially I imploded in a very big way.
Speaker 3: Okay, it would pass the implosion.
Speaker 5: But past it, I agree. I think when you're an actor,
Speaker 5: any sort of position that is like front facing the public,
Speaker 5: it is very good to be aware of just what
Speaker 5: your general body language is and your ticks are. That said,
Speaker 5: if that is not required for your job, don't need
Speaker 5: to do it. Don't go down there. Yeah, stay out
Speaker 5: of the basement.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I guess it's like it's bad enough for me.
Speaker 4: Sometimes going back and watching these episodes and going, huh
Speaker 4: do I do.
Speaker 3: That with my face?
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if I just if I would
Speaker 4: be able to hand will it not edited down for time?
Speaker 4: I might sob.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Did you ever have a time where you or
Speaker 5: are you even to this day? Are you comfortable watching yourself?
Speaker 5: Are you able to watch yourself?
Speaker 4: I don't love it.
Speaker 3: Joy, No, I'm uncomfortable. I don't I don't like it.
Speaker 3: It feels also also feels a bit purposeless to me,
Speaker 3: because I'm the point of what we do is to
Speaker 3: be in the moment of doing it, to play and
Speaker 3: have fun, and to then sit down and go back
Speaker 3: and watch what I'd like. The moment's gone for me,
Speaker 3: So why would I watch it for me? I watch
Speaker 3: I like watching what other people did. It's fun to
Speaker 3: like see a story come together as a whole and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, that was fun, they edited it this
Speaker 3: way or whatever. But I am uncomfortable when I'm on screen.
Speaker 3: I don't like to watch it.
Speaker 5: And has it always been that way?
Speaker 3: I think that developed. I think the more I saw
Speaker 3: myself on screen, from like the ages of twelve to sixteen,
Speaker 3: eventually I was like, ah, this isn't good for me.
Speaker 3: I should just continue, Like because I was a theater kid,
Speaker 3: so doing theater, you're just in the moment. There's no
Speaker 3: there's maybe a tape from you know, like the back
Speaker 3: of the audience a VHS where everything's bloring and you
Speaker 3: can't see it anyway, and like that's fun. But yeah,
Speaker 3: really starting to see myself on screen, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is so anti the training that I've had the theater.
Speaker 3: It's this is so not what I'm supposed to be doing,
Speaker 3: is watching myself. I don't even like looking at myself
Speaker 3: on zoom. It's I'm like thick, fidgety, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: my shirt and my hair, and I like, stop looking
Speaker 3: at myself because I just can't. I'm like, oh, how
Speaker 3: do I fix it? And then I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 3: supposed to fix it. I'm supposed to be here in
Speaker 3: the moment. Sets off my neurosis, I think, what about you.
Speaker 5: I used to not be able to at all, to
Speaker 5: the point where I really couldn't watch anything without just
Speaker 5: massively cringing and just getting lost and only seeing what
Speaker 5: I did wrong and just not picking myself. But it's
Speaker 5: interesting because as I've grown as I sort of you know,
Speaker 5: going to therapy, learning the practice of self love and
Speaker 5: self compassion. I am now able to sort of have
Speaker 5: a different experience with that, kind of the opposite trajectory
Speaker 5: of you, where now I can watch it and go
Speaker 5: that worked, I bought that, or no, okay, we reached
Speaker 5: for that one, you know, especially nowadays because everything's a
Speaker 5: self tape. I used to not be able to self
Speaker 5: tape without it just being a brutal exercise and self judgment.
Speaker 5: You know, it was all stick and no carrot. And
Speaker 5: I'm able to now just watch it and kind of
Speaker 5: be free of a lot of that sort of negative
Speaker 5: chatter and just go, yeah, that's good, it's close, or
Speaker 5: that's it. We can move on, you know. Where it
Speaker 5: used to just be brutal.
Speaker 3: Self tapes are different. I can do that with self
Speaker 3: tapes because I'm because I'm wanting to make sure I'm
Speaker 3: presenting the best possible thing, so I sort of have
Speaker 3: to go into that zone so I can really, like.
Speaker 4: I think, I literally I'm like, well, I'm made. I
Speaker 4: guess I'm never gonna work again. I'm not doing that,
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure you're in any dangerous I'm just like,
Speaker 4: so I hate it. I'm actually really trying to turn
Speaker 4: it into a bit of an exercise, like like a reprogramming,
Speaker 4: because I do. I love to come to work and
Speaker 4: play and I love, like, oh my god, especially if
Speaker 4: there's a project that is so great and I can
Speaker 4: bop in for a day, you know, be like a
Speaker 4: lynch pin do some important scene for something with people
Speaker 4: I love. Like I'm always game. I'm not the person
Speaker 4: that's like give me number one on the call sheet
Speaker 4: every time. I don't give a Like if it's a
Speaker 4: great group of people and a great story and I
Speaker 4: get to contribute big or small, love that totally. So
Speaker 4: I'm trying to sort of in my brain recently, I
Speaker 4: was like, huh, what if I treated making a self
Speaker 4: tape like going in to do a great cameo on
Speaker 4: a movie. I like, like I have to I have
Speaker 4: to like convince myself into it, I think. But I
Speaker 4: find it so interesting Rob to hear you talk about
Speaker 4: like particularly for you as I mean not to like
Speaker 4: not to objectify you, but welcome to our life on
Speaker 4: our TV show, but like as like an objectively like
Speaker 4: handsome man, like you know you are a dude, like God,
Speaker 4: when I met you, like they had you like walking
Speaker 4: through lipstick jungle with no shirt on, like in slow mo,
Speaker 4: doing close ups on your blue eyes. Like I think
Speaker 4: it's so easy for us to project so much confidence
Speaker 4: onto men who you know, in one sense like one
Speaker 4: the genetic lottery, and in another sense, play confident characters
Speaker 4: like I had that sort of cognitive dissonance with who
Speaker 4: people thought I was because I played Brooke Davis versus
Speaker 4: who I am. And it's interesting to me to hear
Speaker 4: you talk about how much work you've had to do
Speaker 4: to be good to yourself, to be able to watch yourself,
Speaker 4: because especially after last week, like talking about how you
Speaker 4: came into the show and talking about how you guys
Speaker 4: redid that amazing Jerey Maguire scene with Clay and the ball,
Speaker 4: I was like eating you up on screen this whole episode.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 4: It is confident, it is fast paced, it is energetic,
Speaker 4: Like I was like cheerleading for you in front of
Speaker 4: the TV by myself, which I wish you could have seen.
Speaker 4: I should have set up the camera. I would have
Speaker 4: been like, wow, I didn't know I made that face.
Speaker 4: But like, you're so magnetic and charming and funny and
Speaker 4: dry and all of these things on our show. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I'm wondering if you're having the experience that we
Speaker 4: started having when the podcast started, which was now we
Speaker 4: have this decade or so of distance from our show
Speaker 4: instead of having to watch it like you know, week
Speaker 4: of and live tweet like we do on things we
Speaker 4: do now, is it is it fun for you? Like
Speaker 4: are you looking back and going, oh my god, I
Speaker 4: actually do think I get why people love this show
Speaker 4: so much, Like are you there yet? Or is it
Speaker 4: still weird for you because we're only in episode one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's still for sure weird. That said I easily.
Speaker 5: That was one of my notes. Is I totally see
Speaker 5: why this show was a success. I watched it and
Speaker 5: all of it and all the levels. I went, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's great, that works. I'm in I love this story.
Speaker 5: I love that story. These people are killing it. So
Speaker 5: there is zero mystery to me as to why One
Speaker 5: Tree Hill was a success and why it continues to
Speaker 5: resonate with people. But kind of to your point about
Speaker 5: Lipstick Jungle, right, it was this odd thing where I'd
Speaker 5: done a couple of things in a row where I
Speaker 5: was the shirtless young guy and the problem was this
Speaker 5: happened early in my career and again way before I
Speaker 5: start to figure out like who I am and like
Speaker 5: know myself. I sort of assumed, Okay, this is the
Speaker 5: version people want. It's twenty eight years old, super you know,
Speaker 5: great shirtless abs ripped, So that's what I need to stay.
Speaker 5: And then what happened was I found myself at a
Speaker 5: point right at that stage, I realized this isn't healthy
Speaker 5: for me. This is like not doing good things for
Speaker 5: me internally. And I remember telling my team like, hey,
Speaker 5: I would like to start getting away from that. And
Speaker 5: then I got to our show and so I kind
Speaker 5: of wasn't. I was still fine, but I wasn't as
Speaker 5: in that shape. And I remember getting onto our show
Speaker 5: and right off the bat they were they wanted me
Speaker 5: in that last scene where I'm talking into the voice
Speaker 5: note after being in bed with the gal with Sasha's character,
Speaker 5: they wanted me shirtless. And I remember going it, kind
Speaker 5: of we're kind of planting a seed of this guy's pain.
Speaker 5: Does it kind of feels distracting? Could I just have
Speaker 5: like a shirt? And I remember I remember our boss
Speaker 5: at one point saying, hey man, we want that us
Speaker 5: weekly body. Oh no, and so it's set up this
Speaker 5: thing where so now I immediately felt fraudulent, like, oh
Speaker 5: that my brain was right. That is what is that
Speaker 5: is what is good, that is what people want, and
Speaker 5: I'm not quite there anymore.
Speaker 3: H which is so heartbreaking, especially for somebody like you,
Speaker 3: who's super intelligent, who's capable of breaking down characters and
Speaker 3: presenting something like even just the simple thing of what
Speaker 3: you just said, like we're dealing with this character's pain.
Speaker 3: I think it's distracting for the audience to be looking
Speaker 3: at me shirtless. It's not like you were opposed to
Speaker 3: ever being shirtless on the show. It was just a
Speaker 3: clear delineation of what's appropriate at the moment and what's
Speaker 3: not best for the character. And to be able to
Speaker 3: bring something to that like that to the table, they
Speaker 3: should be on their knees thanking God that they got
Speaker 3: an actor who cares so much and who is capable,
Speaker 3: and instead they're just like, oh, yeah, but we want
Speaker 3: to see you with no shirt on, Like where's your nipples?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: Yes, last your nips? Why you share your tragedy, bro?
Speaker 5: But in terms of is it weird, it's still very
Speaker 5: weird because I will say this One Tree Hill obviously
Speaker 5: professionally was a great experience for me, but personally was
Speaker 5: a terrible experience for me because I came into this
Speaker 5: show at a time in my life when I was
Speaker 5: just struggling. My mental health wasn't great and I had
Speaker 5: no toolkit on how to with it, and so for
Speaker 5: the three years I was on the show was actually
Speaker 5: a really painful, kind of lonely dark time for me.
Speaker 5: So when we wrapped, I was very comfortable shutting the
Speaker 5: door on the show and never looking back. And then
Speaker 5: what happened was shortly after this, I started to get
Speaker 5: into therapy, I start to really kind of grow and
Speaker 5: do the work, and then conventions start happening, And it
Speaker 5: was this weird thing because at first, I I mean,
Speaker 5: when I finished the show, I told my team for
Speaker 5: two years, don't even submit me for jobs in Wilmington,
Speaker 5: like that's there was so many ghosts for me there.
Speaker 5: I did not want to go back. And then the
Speaker 5: conventions happened. Initially it was I don't want to have
Speaker 5: to go and pretend like I want to talk about
Speaker 5: this because I just still there was just so much
Speaker 5: bad jeje because it wasn't the show's fault. It was
Speaker 5: just you know how it is when you're going through
Speaker 5: a tough season. Whatever the backdrop is, it sort of
Speaker 5: it carries over, it gets projected onto that. But then
Speaker 5: we started having these conventions, right and I started to
Speaker 5: sort of get to have a second experience with the show,
Speaker 5: and I got to meet all of you. It's sort
Speaker 5: of like we all got to re meet each other
Speaker 5: because when I came on, you all had six years
Speaker 5: of enduring this, and so we all sort of got
Speaker 5: this like fresh fresh start where I got to really
Speaker 5: have a new experience with the show. Which is why
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful for those conventions, because now I have
Speaker 5: relationships with all of you, I have a new experience
Speaker 5: with the show. I went back to Willmingchin the first time.
Speaker 5: I was so anxious because again I really there was
Speaker 5: so much baggage and pains for me there. I didn't
Speaker 5: know how it would be, and it was great. And
Speaker 5: now we're doing this show and it's so funny because
Speaker 5: I'm able to sort of go, Okay, all right, I'm
Speaker 5: ready for this, let's do it, you know, and is
Speaker 5: it weird? Yeah, But I'm also so excited to do
Speaker 5: it because I don't remember a lot of it. I
Speaker 5: also watched it. My first note is, oh my god,
Speaker 5: we were so young.
Speaker 4: Boy, isn't it crazy?
Speaker 5: We were? I know, And I also lasts I was,
Speaker 5: And I wanted to ask you about this for when
Speaker 5: you first started the podcast, not now, but I was
Speaker 5: curious and this let's circle back to. My question for
Speaker 5: you is when you when you first revisited this, did
Speaker 5: you have an emotional reaction in your body when you
Speaker 5: hear the theme song? Because if I'm at a convention,
Speaker 5: it's fine because I'm excited. There's a lot of energy.
Speaker 5: It's just sort of background noise. If it catches me
Speaker 5: when I'm not ready.
Speaker 3: For it in the grocery store.
Speaker 5: In the grocery store, it's I get tight. My body
Speaker 5: kind of goes oh. So on this episode, I thought,
Speaker 5: oh god, how is that gonna go? And it was
Speaker 5: beautiful because it didn't happen. It was joy singing instead
Speaker 5: that beautiful song. It quicksand and I thought, oh, look
Speaker 5: at that. They gave me a freebie my first episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ease your way in.
Speaker 4: For me, It's like it's the same feeling as when
Speaker 4: like a person jumps out and yells boo at you
Speaker 4: and you're like la, and then you're like, god, the
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Like it's that feeling for me
Speaker 4: when I hear it out in the world, I'm like,
Speaker 4: what is that? Why would you do that? No one's
Speaker 4: doing this, It's just happening, okay, Like it's so jarring
Speaker 4: and then also embarrassing that it's jarring. But there is
Speaker 4: a really interesting thing, like exactly what you're saying that
Speaker 4: the amount of distance we got to have in between
Speaker 4: the thing ending when we all were like, let's wash
Speaker 4: our hands of it, goodbye, and then the conventions that
Speaker 4: I think all of us were sort of hesitant to
Speaker 4: do it first, and then we started going and then
Speaker 4: we started going together, and then it was like wait.
Speaker 4: In a way, it is like it's like group therapy.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like going back to camp or something.
Speaker 4: And yeah, now it's a really interesting thing to go. Oh,
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess the only way out is through.
Speaker 4: And like what we have talked a lot about in
Speaker 4: the first six seasons of rewatching the show, and I'm
Speaker 4: really curious if it'll feel this way for you, is
Speaker 4: that in a way we got to take everything that
Speaker 4: was really bad and I appreciate you being like, it's
Speaker 4: not the show's fault, Like some of it is the
Speaker 4: show's fault, and some of it is that life is hard,
Speaker 4: and some of what's the show's fault is that they
Speaker 4: took really hard in everyone's lives and then put it
Speaker 4: on TV and made us act it out in front
Speaker 4: of everyone, like it wasn't happening in our real lives.
Speaker 4: That is super sadistic and picked up, But like this
Speaker 4: rewatch for us gals enabled us to kind of separate,
Speaker 4: like when you sort your garbage and your recycling, and
Speaker 4: like I feel like we've been able to throw the
Speaker 4: trash out and then keep the good stuff and before
Speaker 4: it was like the bags were just all jumbled together.
Speaker 4: And there is some about this I think very similarly
Speaker 4: to when you go to therapy and you start processing
Speaker 4: through your stuff and you learn to hold yourself more
Speaker 4: accountable but also be more gentle with yourself at the
Speaker 4: same time. Like the separateness is I think the sign
Speaker 4: of growth. And you're right, like it's a testament to
Speaker 4: the fans that have kept us going back to Wilmington,
Speaker 4: because that is what enabled us to realize we wanted
Speaker 4: to do this and then I didn't even realize we
Speaker 4: needed this, but now we're doing it, and it's like, whoa.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've done so much therapy by doing
Speaker 4: this podcast, and also like I've gone to summer camp
Speaker 4: every week with my friends, Like how cool. So I'm
Speaker 4: excited for this.
Speaker 3: That's sort of the journey for analogy, right, doesn't it
Speaker 3: feel like that? Yeah, the garbage and the recycling, it's
Speaker 3: really good because I do that when I hear the
Speaker 3: theme song, especially in the grocery store. It's all I
Speaker 3: hated in the grocery store because I need a place
Speaker 3: to hide, and you can at hideywhere there's no corners
Speaker 3: in the grocery store or nothing to tucker. I immediately
Speaker 3: look for a place to hide when I hear that song.
Speaker 3: But then there's another part of me that immediately wants
Speaker 3: to turn around and gather everyone in the store and
Speaker 3: have a big party and be like, hey, guys, like,
Speaker 3: let's party for a second. This is my song, come on, y'all,
Speaker 3: Because it's there's become this separateness where it's I still
Speaker 3: feel all the garbage, but I still also feel all
Speaker 3: the good stuff, the things that we turned into good
Speaker 3: things and amazing things that happened. So yeah, I love
Speaker 3: that separating the trash and the recycling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it feels like with the conventions, with this podcast,
Speaker 5: it's great because it sort of feels like that whole
Speaker 5: experience is being reminded for all of just the joy
Speaker 5: and the love. Yes, yeah, it's acknowledging the really shy
Speaker 5: stuff that happened. But then really it's focused and what
Speaker 5: it's there to cultivate and celebrate is the joy and
Speaker 5: the love. That's why the conventions are great, right, is
Speaker 5: because it's just the love fest. It's just people going
Speaker 5: that was It's great? That thing you did? I love it,
Speaker 5: and that's going, oh my gosh, that's so awesome. What's up?
Speaker 5: Want to you know what I mean, it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: So it's nice getting to have a second experience with it.
Speaker 5: I've been so grateful for because had none of us existed,
Speaker 5: I think it would have just stayed the tough chapter.
Speaker 5: Is that I just sort of left back there, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well I love moving forward into good space and
Speaker 4: I love I do. I just I love the scene
Speaker 4: in the first scene with you in the office with
Speaker 4: the ball, like it's I know, we talked about it
Speaker 4: last week. I know I brought it up earlier, but
Speaker 4: it really it establishes you in such a cool way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it just makes me get who this guy is.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that was really interesting for
Speaker 4: me to watch, particularly because we talked with Hillary about
Speaker 4: how you and her have such similar energy and how
Speaker 4: you can you can see that in like Clay comes
Speaker 4: in in this way that feels peyton esque. But also
Speaker 4: the thing that blew my mind rewatching this episode was
Speaker 4: seeing how Clay does a Peyton and Quinn does a Lucas.
Speaker 4: But there's also this wild mirroring in the Peyton and
Speaker 4: Lucas love story and the Clay and Quinn love story,
Speaker 4: Like this boy falls for this girl who everyone tells
Speaker 4: him is unavailable to him, who's in another relationship, who's
Speaker 4: an artist, and he's pining. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: wait a second, because like, Chantelle is Chad in certain
Speaker 4: ways and you are Hillary in certain ways, And that
Speaker 4: I think is why it does work so well because
Speaker 4: it didn't quote replace. It wasn't like they were trying
Speaker 4: to replace characters. They were working with archetypes that worked.
Speaker 4: But I'd never noticed the similarity of like the first
Speaker 4: pining after her moment before. I didn't catch it when
Speaker 4: season seven was happening because I was like trying to
Speaker 4: get to know these new characters on our show and
Speaker 4: you guys, but watching you sit with Haley and Nathan
Speaker 4: on the steps at Jamie's birthday party once it's night
Speaker 4: time and everyone's playing football, I was like, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: this is like Lucas watching Peyton draw, Like what's happening?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: And I never caught it before, and it felt like
Speaker 4: a really cool little easter egg, like for our fans
Speaker 4: and for this legacy of these Tree Hill love stories.
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, they told us from the beginning
Speaker 4: that those two were going to end up together. Got
Speaker 4: it yecause I didn't see it until I saw it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he calls his shot in a great way. I
Speaker 5: think one this episode excelled in a big way when
Speaker 5: it came to introducing characters. Yes, I agree that the
Speaker 5: cause last week's episode I talked about the initial scene
Speaker 5: with Clay was me just standing in front of two
Speaker 5: hundred people in an auditorium, just talking, and luckily they
Speaker 5: were wise enough to realize that was very boring and
Speaker 5: not effective. But so Clay's intro was great because it
Speaker 5: really tells you clear picture of who he is. Quinn's
Speaker 5: intro scene was so good, so incredibly charming. Chantel played
Speaker 5: the hell out of that. It was so good. And
Speaker 5: then India's intro.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, oh yeah that was fun.
Speaker 5: She crushed that. Yeah, I don't want to get ahead
Speaker 5: of myself, but she has maybe the line of the
Speaker 5: episode when Enjoy you come in, You're like, oh, yes, sorry,
Speaker 5: I've just been busy of the career. And then the
Speaker 5: parenting stuff and she goes, oh, yeah, we lost Peyton
Speaker 5: to one of those and you go sorry, and she
Speaker 5: goes kids family.
Speaker 4: I got it was so good, so good, so so good.
Speaker 3: And I loved Chantelle's intro too because all the still photographs,
Speaker 3: it really caught my eye. Was something so different than
Speaker 3: what we've ever seen on the show before. So taking
Speaker 3: the time to watch her take those photos and see
Speaker 3: all the different environments, it was just a little a
Speaker 3: little clue to the audience to let it know we're
Speaker 3: entering into new territory and it's okay, we've got you.
Speaker 4: And I loved that they gave us moments with these
Speaker 4: images of someone's artwork, but it didn't feel like they
Speaker 4: were having another girl who draws come in, like we
Speaker 4: spent six seasons close up on Peyton's drawings. Yes, and
Speaker 4: it was really nice to get these close up freeze
Speaker 4: frames on imagery but have them be photographs instead, because again,
Speaker 4: it was really wise. I thought it was a smart
Speaker 4: way to thread the needle where it was. It was
Speaker 4: giving us something familiar and yet completely new. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: thought it was a really really good choice. And I
Speaker 4: loved that they were also making very clear that there
Speaker 4: had been a big time jump because it was the
Speaker 4: end of the first NBA season. Jamie had Nathan's Bobcats card.
Speaker 4: We see that, you know, Brooke and Julian have been
Speaker 4: in this long distance relationship. We cut to New York
Speaker 4: and Millie is now Brooke Davis two point zero running
Speaker 4: that office, you know, just crushing it. Lisa was so
Speaker 4: perfect in that scene, bapap bah blah blah ba bock
Speaker 4: giving orders talking about coffee green is the new orange.
Speaker 5: Like the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Was just so yummy, and it to your point, Rob,
Speaker 4: They introduced and also reintroduced people really well because they said, oh,
Speaker 4: everyone's in a new life stage. Whether you know them
Speaker 4: or not, and they made it clear who all these
Speaker 4: people were in really artful ways.
Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, I mean, you got such a great
Speaker 3: the upgrade of familiarity but something new, being able to
Speaker 3: watch Brooke and Juliet and you guys were in from
Speaker 3: Here to Eternity the whole show, the two of you
Speaker 3: in the sand, at the beach, at the red carpet.
Speaker 5: I mean, how much.
Speaker 4: Fun did you have shooting all that stuff?
Speaker 3: It was the best montage of the whole series.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was really fun. I do remember we
Speaker 4: had to go all the way, I want to say
Speaker 4: it was like a random part of Carolina Beach. We
Speaker 4: had to go to to film the beach scenes because
Speaker 4: they that day sequence, because they needed a really steep
Speaker 4: like beach, like the sand had to be at such
Speaker 4: an angle to get the waves crashing because it wasn't
Speaker 4: working at Wrightsville, So we had to drive really really far,
Speaker 4: and then they kept moving us around because the tide
Speaker 4: obviously is like shifting, and they just they wanted that
Speaker 4: big wave crash. You know. Clark Mathis, who directed Who's
Speaker 4: So Lovely, really wanted to get the scene right because
Speaker 4: it was supposed to look like that old timey movie.
Speaker 4: And by the end of it, I was cracking up
Speaker 4: when they do the pan up our bodies because you
Speaker 4: can see, if you really like freeze frame, how much
Speaker 4: sand is even like stuck in the divits of like
Speaker 4: my spine and my back we were, I mean, we
Speaker 4: had just gotten tossed around like it. It looked so romantic,
Speaker 4: and I remember by the end of that feeling like
Speaker 4: a drown rat and just being like, there is so
Speaker 4: much sand everywhere. I need to take a shower, Please
Speaker 4: let me go home. And yeah, it was just, oh boy,
Speaker 4: it was wild.
Speaker 5: My note on that scene was beautiful to watch. Miserable
Speaker 5: to shoot.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because you're cold, you're getting watched. Trying to kiss romantically
Speaker 5: while you're getting water splashed in your face is so
Speaker 5: bad and old.
Speaker 3: James and I had to do a lot of that,
Speaker 3: a lot of kissing in rain and water, and it's
Speaker 3: just it is miserable.
Speaker 4: And it's not great either to like have to shoot
Speaker 4: at the beach as an actor, because again, the world
Speaker 4: assumes we're the most comfortable, confident people. But you know,
Speaker 4: as a woman, like you're in a bikini, you're essentially
Speaker 4: in your underwear and there's like two hundred people on
Speaker 4: the beach just taking your picture, and I'm like, could
Speaker 4: you maybe not take my picture while I'm standing here
Speaker 4: essentially in my underwear, Like I don't consent to this.
Speaker 4: I feel so uncomfortable and you can't really stand up
Speaker 4: for yourself because yeah, it's a public beach, and you know,
Speaker 4: we didn't work for people who were willing to like
Speaker 4: put up privacy screens for us, and so I was
Speaker 4: like cool. I was like, this all makes me feel
Speaker 4: so uncomfortable. But it still looked so beautiful.
Speaker 3: The glamour, the romance and all of it. Ah, in
Speaker 3: the edit, it's so glamorous.
Speaker 5: Brook and Julian. The whole episode was just my wall
Speaker 5: to wall gorgeous romance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I loved it. Those night scenes on the.
Speaker 3: Beach, Oh yeah, the fire.
Speaker 5: My only issue with the night scene on the beach
Speaker 5: was this when he goes, do you know what I want?
Speaker 5: And he whispers in your ear this skinny dip. I
Speaker 5: just thought, there's no way in a cold night that
Speaker 5: the thing you want to do is go get into
Speaker 5: the cold water with her and then be sandy like
Speaker 5: the crudgeon adult and he went, you guys have houses,
Speaker 5: why is it did you want to go in the
Speaker 5: sandy cold water?
Speaker 4: Right now, here's what I will say in Julian's defense.
Speaker 4: It was July in North Carolina, so it was like
Speaker 4: one hundred degrees at night, So if that helps your
Speaker 4: inner curmudgeon, it was not cold when we shot this.
Speaker 4: It wasn't one of those like spring bread episodes that
Speaker 4: we shoot in February and we're all sobbing because it's
Speaker 4: thirty degrees out. It actually was quite warm. But I
Speaker 4: just want to shout out. And our friends at home
Speaker 4: have heard his name a lot. Peter Kowalski, our DP.
Speaker 4: The way he lit. Yeah, those nighttime scenes for Austin
Speaker 4: and I on the beach with that bonfire light on
Speaker 4: our faces that made all everything behind us go really blue.
Speaker 4: It was really it was like breathtakingly beautiful to me
Speaker 4: as a viewer to look at. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I feel like I can like I can smell the
Speaker 4: saltwater and I know it's warm, and I know what
Speaker 4: that balmy breeze is. I got a sense of where
Speaker 4: we were from the light temperature, and like that that's
Speaker 4: takes out.
Speaker 5: He's amazing you both every scene though, it was funny
Speaker 5: because I had a one going my friends are super beautiful,
Speaker 5: like you guys in the limo. You got the smoky eye.
Speaker 5: He's in the talks and you're in your chemistry, but
Speaker 5: the two of your chemistry is just so easy and fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but every scene you were in it was like a
Speaker 5: vanity poster of just like how good it could love
Speaker 5: could be. It was just it was beautiful and idyllic.
Speaker 4: It. I sort of feel like they really wanted to
Speaker 4: give that to Brook at this point too, because she
Speaker 4: really went through the ringer for the first six seasons,
Speaker 4: and I think they were like, you know what, we've
Speaker 4: really had this chick on like tumble dry, you know,
Speaker 4: for long enough. Let's just let her have her like happy,
Speaker 4: you know, happy ever after moment. It was very sweet.
Speaker 3: I think the show needed it too. It needed the relief,
Speaker 3: like we've got all this stuff coming up with Nathan
Speaker 3: and Haley and all that tension that's going to start,
Speaker 3: and all of the unpreduing to bowl things with Dan
Speaker 3: that are coming up, and the comic relief with Mouth
Speaker 3: and Skills, which talk about.
Speaker 5: So good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we needed we needed the romance. It has to.
Speaker 3: It's an integral part of our show, and you guys
Speaker 3: were able to show up for that, which I loved.
Speaker 5: And also it was it was very smart because it's
Speaker 5: a very quick, almost throwaway moment, but in no ways
Speaker 5: that actually throw a moment when we're panning off of
Speaker 5: you and you're talking to him, when you're standing up
Speaker 5: with the ocean at your back and he's sitting on
Speaker 5: the beach and you're like, I made some space in
Speaker 5: the guest closet. And then when you walk over after
Speaker 5: he talks about the movie and we see in the
Speaker 5: sand that you had written marry me, it's that payoff
Speaker 5: is so much greater when we've seen this whole episode
Speaker 5: so far, just how good it could be. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: makes sense why you'd ask and be It makes the
Speaker 5: oh moment that that might hit that much harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, mouth and skills, Oh.
Speaker 4: My god, apparently our other favorite couple in this show,
Speaker 4: those two. Like the naked off is so good and
Speaker 4: so funny, and the facts that it begins from the
Speaker 4: cut from Nathan's Axe body spray commercial, which to mouth
Speaker 4: using the body spray. Yeah, Like, it's just it's so
Speaker 4: funny because it's how good it could be on TV
Speaker 4: with like the NBA player, and then you know it's
Speaker 4: like the dude at home trying to figure it out
Speaker 4: on his like you know, secondhand leather couch, and and
Speaker 4: the fact that they just go tip for tat is
Speaker 4: so they're just so good together. I just want them forever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm die good to know the rumors aren't true. Slam
Speaker 4: like perfect her delivery.
Speaker 5: So first of all, I thought the choice to have
Speaker 5: Mouth eating a sandwich. I laughed so hard because when
Speaker 5: you think of being naked, probably one of the few
Speaker 5: things you ever want to be doing is eating a
Speaker 5: messy sandwich, you know. So I love that choice. But
Speaker 5: when Lisa walks in her delivery on okay Okay is
Speaker 5: so funny. Her timing is perfect, and I could have
Speaker 5: watched a whole Buddy movie with Antoine and Mouth doing this.
Speaker 3: It was so where is that I need that movie asap?
Speaker 4: I agree, I need so much more of them. And
Speaker 4: I also I love again there is so much larger
Speaker 4: than life stuff on our show, which is look, it's
Speaker 4: a TV show. It's why things work. Like we want
Speaker 4: to aspire, we want to fantasize with people. But I
Speaker 4: love the rootedness of these two best friends who live
Speaker 4: together that are trying to figure it out, and they
Speaker 4: both want to get more serious with their girlfriends, and
Speaker 4: one of them has to be like, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 4: to move out, but I can't afford it, which is
Speaker 4: real life in your twenties, Like my best friend's from
Speaker 4: college and I in our twenties. Ps. While I was
Speaker 4: on our show, like I chipped in for keys to
Speaker 4: a two bedroom apartment in New York and would like
Speaker 4: fly up for the weekend and sleep on the couch,
Speaker 4: Like none of us could afford anything more than we
Speaker 4: made it work. And I just I love the comedy
Speaker 4: in it, but I also like that they keep us
Speaker 4: grounded because you know, the other scenes are, yeah, we're
Speaker 4: with like the fancy sports agent and the nat geophotographer
Speaker 4: at the NBA player and the rock star wife's kid's birthday,
Speaker 4: Like everything is so fantastical that I don't know. I
Speaker 4: just love like the cute buddies in their apartment.
Speaker 5: And they're sweet to each other. I love I love it.
Speaker 5: I love a dude who's emotionally available, and I like
Speaker 5: that the silliness of that scene ends with mouth going, hey, dude,
Speaker 5: I love you. I still we're still friends. I still
Speaker 5: want to hang with you. I'm just trying to sort
Speaker 5: of level up my game here. You know that was
Speaker 5: nice that it wasn't just a bit and then a
Speaker 5: joke and the scene's over.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I like healthy, vulnerable, safe masculinity. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's not that hard.
Speaker 3: Look at these two.
Speaker 2: They're great.
Speaker 5: Jamie's birthday party. There's two things I noticed that cracked
Speaker 5: me up. The first is it's a close shot on
Speaker 5: your face, Joy as you're getting ready outside, right and
Speaker 5: it hasn't revealed the party yet, and you hear Jamie
Speaker 5: off screen say like mom, and you have a moment
Speaker 5: like you're nervous on what is reactions going to be.
Speaker 5: You're like, okay, here we go, Okay, come on out.
Speaker 5: And the camera pans around to what looks more like
Speaker 5: a small county fair than a seven year old's birthday party.
Speaker 5: And I laughed, like, what would you be nervous about
Speaker 5: when you have that production.
Speaker 3: They are living in like this new palatial whatever this
Speaker 3: new house is with this massive pool.
Speaker 6: This is the first time at this house, right, yes, yes, Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 6: this is a new house Clay has been turning up
Speaker 6: for Nathan, getting him lots of commercials apparently, and Nathan
Speaker 6: is I mean, I don't know what Hayley's doing, because
Speaker 6: I don't think she's certainly not paying for that house
Speaker 6: on a teacher salary, and she's trying to run the
Speaker 6: label now, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's working well apparently, given what
Speaker 3: is going on. But they got this killer spot, this
Speaker 3: killer new pad, magical yard. They've got a dock that
Speaker 3: runs out to the river. It's wonderful.
Speaker 5: There's also a bit in that party where and I
Speaker 5: actually remember doing this when it's a walk and talk.
Speaker 5: It's actually the scene where Clay and Quinn meet the
Speaker 5: first time, where she walks up and has that hilarious
Speaker 5: little shot at him about getting Nathan his money. But
Speaker 5: a trey walks by with cookies. I think, why it's
Speaker 5: I think myself and you and James are talking joy
Speaker 5: and I grab a cookie off of it and I
Speaker 5: take a bite, and we're talking, and I think, I
Speaker 5: take the whole tray, and then about thirty seconds later,
Speaker 5: a server walk up and I hand them the tray
Speaker 5: and then put the cookie. I just took a bite
Speaker 5: of took a head right back in with the rest
Speaker 5: of the cookies.
Speaker 4: No, you do not.
Speaker 5: Clay Evans the original Double Dipper. How gross is that
Speaker 5: I missed that? I think I thought it was funny
Speaker 5: and that no one. I just I remember just doing it,
Speaker 5: going like, I wonder if they'll even notice this, this
Speaker 5: will even get in there, And then I watched it, going,
Speaker 5: that's so disgusting and funny.
Speaker 3: No, but they didn't notice. That's a thing.
Speaker 5: They were.
Speaker 3: They were, Oh man, that's so good. And that makes
Speaker 3: me want to start really watching your performances from now
Speaker 3: on because I I know that side of you that
Speaker 3: like But also this is this is you and Hillary.
Speaker 4: You are the same. You two in the party are
Speaker 4: like m hahaha, waiting for one of us to look
Speaker 4: and catch you.
Speaker 3: Sitting around all day in my trailer, waiting to be shot.
Speaker 3: Because there's twenty five other people in this scene. I'm
Speaker 3: so bored. I'm gonna steal cookies and see if anybody
Speaker 3: notices it.
Speaker 4: So funny.
Speaker 5: I thought your stuff with Chantell was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Joy.
Speaker 5: You guys have such an ease and a natural chemistry. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 3: It was always really easy to work with Chantal. I mean,
Speaker 3: she and I we always got on really well. It
Speaker 3: felt like it felt like sisters right away, and there
Speaker 3: was just nothing. It never felt competitive, it never felt
Speaker 3: like we were always just very We had great conversations.
Speaker 3: She was lovely and professional and easy to work with,
Speaker 3: and we had fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's also really nice seeing Haley get that chemistry
Speaker 4: with Quinn, because so much of the Haley and Taylor
Speaker 4: relationship was so combative. Yeah, and it's nice to be
Speaker 4: adults and see women enjoy each other, you know. It
Speaker 4: was so nice for us in these later seasons, like
Speaker 4: to get Lisa and then when Chantal came and then
Speaker 4: you know, Jana's coming, and it was like everyone was
Speaker 4: just so sweet. Like I remember in the first couple
Speaker 4: weeks of this year all of us being at dinner
Speaker 4: being like, wow, yeah, how cool, like because you never know,
Speaker 4: and it's cool to see it now and like, watch
Speaker 4: you guys, because there is there is like an on
Speaker 4: screen chemistry that does already feel very familiar between the
Speaker 4: two of you, and I think without that, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: have sold for us as an audience.
Speaker 3: So well, you know, yeah, oh good, Yeah, I think,
Speaker 3: you know what you were saying about the women coming
Speaker 3: on the show and everything, it was like we were
Speaker 3: so far down the line by then. I wonder if
Speaker 3: the powers that be that we're trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: pit us against each other in the beginning and just
Speaker 3: working so hard over time to triangulate that they had
Speaker 3: sort of given up by then because it was so
Speaker 3: like their damage had been done and it was just
Speaker 3: like they were able to now it didn't matter so much.
Speaker 3: There were more of us, and so maybe they were
Speaker 3: less worried about us all banding together to negotiating as
Speaker 3: a team and things like that. So I wonder if
Speaker 3: that's why it was so much easier at this stage
Speaker 3: in the show for all of us to just kind
Speaker 3: of be friendly and get along and not feel competitive
Speaker 3: because there wasn't this behind the scenes like mess happening.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that positive take. I wish it
Speaker 4: had lasted longer than just the beginning of season seven
Speaker 4: with the Powers that be, but you know, they didn't
Speaker 4: give us long. But I will say at least there
Speaker 4: was like this lovely moment, and I think Jamie's party
Speaker 4: felt like that, like it was so nice to have
Speaker 4: you guys as like our new compadres there. I thought
Speaker 4: the characters were introduced in such great ways, and everyone
Speaker 4: had such great chemistry together and even you know, even
Speaker 4: the fact that when everyone gathers around for Jamie to
Speaker 4: open his gifts and you've got this hilarious moment of
Speaker 4: skills giving him his quote vintage CD collection and Miss
Speaker 4: Mouran's ribbon him and then you you like, come in
Speaker 4: with the you know, with the big dick energy, and
Speaker 4: you get like Jerry Rice to walk in the door
Speaker 4: is going on here? Like the whole thing it felt
Speaker 4: on screen like that feeling you're describing, I think joy,
Speaker 4: Like we all went, oh my god, this feels really good.
Speaker 4: We are going to be okay because two of our
Speaker 4: friends had left, like we didn't know what was going
Speaker 4: to happen, and it felt very rife with potential. And
Speaker 4: I loved that and I loved I have no idea
Speaker 4: who at the studio pulled a favor to get Jerry
Speaker 4: Rice on our show, but it was like, honestly so iconic.
Speaker 4: His cameo was so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, full disclosure, I had forgotten. So when that happened,
Speaker 5: I went, oh, I guess I met Jerry Rice, and
Speaker 5: then I remember, then, remember the day. But one thing
Speaker 5: I think the episode did very well was that there
Speaker 5: was also still enough connective tissue to Lucas and Peyton
Speaker 5: to where it didn't feel like they were just pretending
Speaker 5: that that was just over and gone. Like I love
Speaker 5: Lucas gifting Jamie the basketball. I love when Nathan and
Speaker 5: Jamie go to the court they play a game of
Speaker 5: Lucas instead of a game. Of course, Brooke is talking
Speaker 5: about Peyton a lot.
Speaker 4: So she's the one who left.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so it was the right amount of here
Speaker 5: are new people, but also we're still they're still in
Speaker 5: our orbit the people that left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did a great job of just letting us
Speaker 3: know that we've got you, like we know why you're here.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, We've got your audience, and stay with us.
Speaker 4: And I appreciate that they were thoughtful enough to think
Speaker 4: about how to allow those shifts to inform our characters,
Speaker 4: like for me, you know, I also forgot about Jerry Rice,
Speaker 4: to be clear, but I you know, Brooke didn't make
Speaker 4: the joke Clay did. I forgot that Brooke got really
Speaker 4: vulnerable in this episode with Julian because he's away working
Speaker 4: and Peyton's gone. For Brooke Davis to look up at
Speaker 4: that man and say, I'm really lonely because her partner
Speaker 4: is long distance and her best friend doesn't live at
Speaker 4: home anymore. It makes a really interesting argument when they're
Speaker 4: in the limo and he says, you can run your
Speaker 4: company from anywhere, why do you need to stay here?
Speaker 4: And for her, tree Hill is home. Tree Hill is home,
Speaker 4: but it's starting to change. And I liked in that
Speaker 4: moment it sort of made my like, you know when
Speaker 4: you have that beat right before you cry and your
Speaker 4: breath like catches your throat. I was watching the episode
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm just so lonely, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, because I forgot that. In
Speaker 4: that moment, Brook sort of got to be the audience's
Speaker 4: voice and be like, I don't know if I understand
Speaker 4: what's happening here, but by the end, it's like we're
Speaker 4: going to be okay, like we were here and we're
Speaker 4: building like a new you know, future family, et cetera.
Speaker 4: It felt nice, like I did to your point, Joy,
Speaker 4: I feel like they were trying to say we've got
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, and that Jerry Rice. Bit I thought,
Speaker 5: was I agree with you? That was so successful because
Speaker 5: the scene that killed me was when they're playing again,
Speaker 5: another really terrific Quinn scene, but when they're in the huddle,
Speaker 5: you know, and this is when Nathan and Clay and
Speaker 5: Hayley are watching from the steps and yeah, and Quinn says,
Speaker 5: all right, we have the great greatest wide receiver in
Speaker 5: the history of the game. Jamie, We're going to you.
Speaker 5: And if you watch, you have to watch Jamie does.
Speaker 5: He has such a beautiful moment where he does a
Speaker 5: fifth pump, but he also kind of like nods his
Speaker 5: head like you're making the right call, going to me, yes,
Speaker 5: And it left Jerry going, what am I going to do?
Speaker 5: And she goes block and he says three hundred and
Speaker 5: seven touchdowns and they got me blocking, darn it. It
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Jerry Rice, you are infinitely lowble.
Speaker 3: Really fun, yes, really fun.
Speaker 4: And you never know, you know, somebody like that comes
Speaker 4: in and does a cameo and you're like, oh boy,
Speaker 4: are they going to be great or are they going
Speaker 4: to be very wooden? And Jerry Rice turns out is
Speaker 4: a great actor. Like I'm like, sir, can you can
Speaker 4: you like, come and play with us some more. What
Speaker 4: I'd love I have to say because I'm looking at
Speaker 4: my notes one of the things I'm obsessed with. And
Speaker 4: we've circled back to the dynamic of Clay essentially like pining,
Speaker 4: you know, after the unavailable woman, which I love. The
Speaker 4: thing that makes me giggle, you know, with our team
Speaker 4: of most female writers, is that they leaned so hard
Speaker 4: into like the classic joke of like she knows sports
Speaker 4: like hat Jake who knows sports sports, And it works
Speaker 4: so beautifully between you guys, between Clay and Quinn. And
Speaker 4: if it had just been the joke where like she
Speaker 4: ran up to you at the beginning and said the
Speaker 4: thing about Nathan and all the stats and walked away,
Speaker 4: you'd be like, okay. But then to see her out
Speaker 4: like playing football with all the boys, and when Jerry
Speaker 4: and Skills are running all the kids around, and then
Speaker 4: you realize everybody else is involved, Like it took it
Speaker 4: a step further. It gave Clay like something very real
Speaker 4: to watch and you get to see, you know, to
Speaker 4: the point of introducing these characters, well, you get to
Speaker 4: see Quinn's relationship with Jamie as his aunt. You really
Speaker 4: get to see this family and knowing what comes, watching
Speaker 4: you kind of pine after her with Haley and Nathan
Speaker 4: on the stairs, I was like, Oh, it's gonna get
Speaker 4: weird because you've already told Nathan that the hot Hicks
Speaker 4: coming over tonight. You know it's it's It just was
Speaker 4: set up so well, and I loved it.
Speaker 3: Speaking of this party, I have to say there's one
Speaker 3: thing on this show that really it's funny when things
Speaker 3: pop up that date us that when you watch it,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, this is so well. No, it's just
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you guys even know this,
Speaker 3: but kid's birthday parties. Nobody opens presents at the party anymore.
Speaker 3: This is like a new wave thing where the kids
Speaker 3: all you just set the gift on a table and
Speaker 3: then you the kid opens them at home later on
Speaker 3: their own time. But I remember every birthday party there
Speaker 3: was like a time for presents. You sat down and everybody, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: don't you remember this. You have sit down, you'd open
Speaker 3: your gifts from everybody, you'd thank everyone there in person,
Speaker 3: and then that was like an event within every single
Speaker 3: birthday party. And it doesn't happen anymore. And it was
Speaker 3: really funny because I saw I saw all that huge
Speaker 3: gift of table of gifts, and I watched Jamie walk
Speaker 3: over and start to open. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: that's right. We don't do this anymore. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: It's so sad.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean meaningless in the context of the story,
Speaker 3: but I thought, no, but kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's like when you go back and you watch the
Speaker 4: early seasons and everyone's opening their flip phones and you're like, oh.
Speaker 3: God, yeah, totally so funny.
Speaker 5: It was also a little strange to me that and
Speaker 5: I get why it can work, but that a totally
Speaker 5: random woman dressed like she's going to a club up
Speaker 5: next to James.
Speaker 3: It was weird, and.
Speaker 5: Talks about his career, asks for a selfie. It was
Speaker 5: I get it, though, like when it's a party, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: As a parent, you have a thousand different things going on,
Speaker 5: so yeah, I will allow it. But it was one
Speaker 5: of those moments where I just thought, really, really, this
Speaker 5: strange woman, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me what helped was that there was a
Speaker 4: crowd and he turned and then turned back, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I could buy that. She's one of the
Speaker 4: elementary school moms that he just doesn't know because he's
Speaker 4: also been on the road all season.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But what was more alarming for me was like, how
Speaker 4: did she get there? Because these these two, to your point, Joy,
Speaker 4: they live in this big new house, which I would
Speaker 4: assume if he's in the NBA, is like in some
Speaker 4: sort of gated community. I'm like, did she take a
Speaker 4: canoe up the intracoastal and like come in from the river.
Speaker 3: This is crazy enough to do that, I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, she might have.
Speaker 5: That was the one thing I didn't bump on, because
Speaker 5: when we panned around the party to see the scope
Speaker 5: of it, you saw that their backyard kind of just
Speaker 5: opens up to beach.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: I thought, it's not hard to find out where someone lives.
Speaker 5: If that's the case, I could see her just walking
Speaker 5: up to the beach and it's crowded party. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it was you knew the second that started happening. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: stranger danger.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what happens. I'm really like, this is
Speaker 3: a wun No, No, I do not remember.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I do. Because when the episode starts,
Speaker 4: by the way, wait a second, we didn't even talk
Speaker 4: about the fact that the episode opens on Dan Scott's
Speaker 4: talk show, Oh my god, Clock the.
Speaker 3: Clock, and.
Speaker 4: When I saw that woman and I remember, And then
Speaker 4: it cuts back to Dan and his talk show is
Speaker 4: called Redemption, and he's talking about how what you've done
Speaker 4: is not who you will be, it's who you've been.
Speaker 4: But now I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my god, I remember everything. I'm
Speaker 4: so excited for you to see what happens. I sure,
Speaker 4: I sure do.
Speaker 5: That whole thing with Dan was so effective, it was
Speaker 5: I was watching it. My note is just Paul is great.
Speaker 4: He's phenomenal, but it's.
Speaker 5: It's so funny to watch someone and be so engrossed
Speaker 5: and also so badly want to punch him in the face. Yea,
Speaker 5: Like he's so he's so smug and engaging at the
Speaker 5: same time doing that whole that whole speech.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's it. That takes a special skill. This, you know,
Speaker 3: this theme of forgiveness for Dan is really interesting. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I don't I don't remember what happens, but
Speaker 3: I suspect he's being super manipulative again, like as usual.
Speaker 3: But it did make me curious. Jamie asks Nathan if
Speaker 3: he's forgiven Dan honest ber yes, and I don't know why,
Speaker 3: I just I went on a dive. It made me
Speaker 3: curious about the origin of the word forgiveness, because we
Speaker 3: talk about this with Dan a lot on the show.
Speaker 3: The farthest back that I could find was a Hebrew
Speaker 3: word called nassa. I wrote it down to It means
Speaker 3: to lift up or lift off and remove, and in
Speaker 3: Latin in the thirteen hundreds it means passing over of
Speaker 3: an offense without punishment, which is essentially saying you deserve
Speaker 3: punishment for what you've done. I choose not to enact it,
Speaker 3: so I'm lifting up or off the burden of judgment
Speaker 3: and my desire to see you suffer it. So when
Speaker 3: Jamie asks Nathan if he's forgiven Dan, and you can
Speaker 3: see this moment pass over James's face and it's so subtle,
Speaker 3: but I've read it as Nathan realizing there's this fine
Speaker 3: line between going cold and becoming immune and actual forgiveness,
Speaker 3: and Nathan's it seems like he's realizing, Yeah, I've gone
Speaker 3: cold to Dan. I put up a wall so I
Speaker 3: don't feel bad emotions toward him anymore, but have I
Speaker 3: actually forgiven and released him from punishment, released myself from
Speaker 3: the desire to see him suffer consequences, which, considering everything
Speaker 3: Dan's done, feels an impossibly tall order. It's like Nathan
Speaker 3: knows it's too unfair to himself to just forgive and
Speaker 3: say like I don't deserve justice, or too unfair to
Speaker 3: the people who Dan's hurt to say they don't deserve justice.
Speaker 3: It's too outrageous to forgive. So he's honest and he says, no,
Speaker 3: I haven't. And I loved his honesty, and it really
Speaker 3: made me think about my own life and wrestle with
Speaker 3: like the big bads in my life, because yeah, I
Speaker 3: want to think of myself as a forgiving person. But
Speaker 3: you know, Jamie says, I think you're big enough to
Speaker 3: forgive him. You're Nathan Scott, which is such a great line.
Speaker 3: But it made me wonder if I've been actually truly
Speaker 3: forgiving or if I've just been shutting off my emotions
Speaker 3: and calling it forgiveness so that I can feel better
Speaker 3: about myself. And is forgiveness something Dan should get, Like
Speaker 3: what are you guys? Sorry, it's a long spiel, but like,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts about this, and I
Speaker 3: want to know what you guys think about the concept
Speaker 3: of forgiveness and redemption for someone like Dan, all things considered.
Speaker 5: That first, that first definition you gave, I think it's
Speaker 5: said to lift off. Yeah, so's really interesting take because
Speaker 5: if you look at it like that, it's not about
Speaker 5: you doing something for the other person. It's actually it's
Speaker 5: an act of sort of self love or self care
Speaker 5: to relieve yourself of a burden you've been caring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you're holding the judgment over someone. Right,
Speaker 3: you're saying like, I'm I've decided you need to suffer this,
Speaker 3: so to release it and like let it go.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. But ah, I hate Dan Scott.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing I think that look anger can
Speaker 4: be so poisonous, Like, yeah, everyone always says you forgive
Speaker 4: for you, not not for the other person. It's I
Speaker 4: think it's why that phrase forgive but don't forget comes around.
Speaker 4: The idea is that if you can really do it,
Speaker 4: you can unburden yourself. Yeah, doesn't mean you erase a boundary,
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you let that person back into your life,
Speaker 4: like you know, it's it's certainly something I've had to
Speaker 4: think about I think we all have. But like you know,
Speaker 4: whether it's an injury, the you know, to everything twenty
Speaker 4: years ago or last year, It's like, what's the point
Speaker 4: in being angry at someone who betrays you? Then you're
Speaker 4: just angry you were betrayed either way, if you can
Speaker 4: see it, release it, fortify yourself against it. I think
Speaker 4: that that's great. I don't think forgiveness has to be
Speaker 4: like some big Kumbaya thing. And I think it's so
Speaker 4: interesting to hear the way you read it, because when
Speaker 4: I watched the scene between Nate, between Nathan and Jamie,
Speaker 4: that moment for me, I sort of read as all
Speaker 4: his complex adult man feelings and realizing he can't share
Speaker 4: those with his seven year old son like a seven
Speaker 4: year old can't process. Yeah, that, you know, did I
Speaker 4: forgive him for ruining my birthday and making me play
Speaker 4: in a peewee game. There's a lot more too it
Speaker 4: than that. Yeah, And so you know, I love all
Speaker 4: of it because in a way, it's the simplicity that
Speaker 4: a child is seeing and the complexity that the adult
Speaker 4: has experienced. And I loved the meeting of those experiences
Speaker 4: on screen. And I think I think forgiveness is incredibly complex.
Speaker 4: For that reason, I think we're all much more capable
Speaker 4: of forgiving now at this age than we were ten
Speaker 4: years ago, let alone twenty years ago. And I think
Speaker 4: those things are important. Like there are people whose actions,
Speaker 4: you know, a decade ago, would have still enraged me,
Speaker 4: and now I just say, like, well, it must be
Speaker 4: sad that you were in a place that that was
Speaker 4: what you chose. I hope you're well. I'm certainly not
Speaker 4: ever going to like let you back into my life,
Speaker 4: but I'll wish you well. I'll like, I'll ask how
Speaker 4: you're doing if I you out and about somewhere, And
Speaker 4: that that, for me, feels more like the forgiven. Forgive
Speaker 4: but don't forget.
Speaker 3: But what do you do with the with the knowing
Speaker 3: that you've been wronged?
Speaker 5: Call Trevor?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I mean, I look, I think here's
Speaker 4: what I will say is we've all been wronged, and
Speaker 4: we've we all we all, by the way, we have
Speaker 4: villains in our stories, right, and we're all the villain
Speaker 4: in somebody else's story. Yeah, whether or not it's accurate,
Speaker 4: like for sure, but but to other people, each of
Speaker 4: us has probably done something unforgivable, absolutely, and we can
Speaker 4: all sit and go well. Actually, the way it went
Speaker 4: down was this, Yeah, okay, it's like at this point,
Speaker 4: what for what?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: What are we arguing it for? What are we fighting
Speaker 4: over it for?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: What are you going to do like publish your text
Speaker 4: messages and emails, timestand and dated to prove that you
Speaker 4: weren't the.
Speaker 3: One and the wrong for what?
Speaker 5: For?
Speaker 4: Freaking who?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why for me? That's part of the the ability to
Speaker 4: be a more boundaried and yet also more gentle adult
Speaker 4: is to say, you know what, that's where my boundary is.
Speaker 4: And I'm also going to wish you well because otherwise
Speaker 4: otherwise the lack of quote forgiving poisons me, not you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see, I think I grew up with forgiveness
Speaker 5: was I I want to help you feel better about
Speaker 5: what you did, whereas now forgiveness is yeah, I'm dropping
Speaker 5: the rock I've been caring. I'm going to let go
Speaker 5: of the resentment because it's not serving me anymore, you know,
Speaker 5: So it's no longer about helping you feel better because
Speaker 5: it used to be a performative act of service, where
Speaker 5: now it's just I don't want this to consume me
Speaker 5: all day, every day. So it's just like you're saying,
Speaker 5: it's forgiven and forget, you know, take it. Some play
Speaker 5: is healthy, but it's it's no longer going to take up,
Speaker 5: you know, bandwidth. Yeah, I will choose to not allow
Speaker 5: it to take up the bandwidth, not that it doesn't
Speaker 5: deserve too or doesn't want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. I think about I
Speaker 3: think about a character like Dan and how complex he
Speaker 3: is and how much we like even what you're saying,
Speaker 3: he's compelling, even though you want to punch him in
Speaker 3: the face, and there's always this sense of like God,
Speaker 3: I would love to see Dan Scott actually change his life,
Speaker 3: actually be redeemed, actually become a better person, but nobody
Speaker 3: would be willing. Nobody that in our showould be willing
Speaker 3: to actually offer him the forgiveness that that requires.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if I may, I think we have to
Speaker 4: be really really careful about Like, frankly, I don't know
Speaker 4: how else to put it, because I think there's a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, this language that we hear that
Speaker 4: comes from religious tradition, Like we have to be really
Speaker 4: careful that we're not trying to play God that we're
Speaker 4: not trying to prove how pure we are by our
Speaker 4: ability to forgive anyone absolute Like yeah, and I think
Speaker 4: that idea that like no one would be willing to
Speaker 4: offer him true forgiveness, Like I don't know that that's
Speaker 4: necessarily another human's job. At the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I think, No, I agree, And I just think it's
Speaker 4: frankly really important for us to be willing to accept
Speaker 4: that other people's like boundaries and levels of tolerance for
Speaker 4: certain things might not be what ours are and to
Speaker 4: figure that out like person to person. Because one of
Speaker 4: the things I've learned, you know, thrown it back to
Speaker 4: Trevor excellent callback Rob, is like there are amazing things
Speaker 4: that our jobs have given to us, you know, like
Speaker 4: I'm incredibly proud of my work ethic, I'm incredibly proud
Speaker 4: of how much I'll show up. But the way we
Speaker 4: were taught to like show up in the hours we
Speaker 4: were taught to work in the sleeplessness we were taught
Speaker 4: to endure, or like kind of gnarly to sit with
Speaker 4: a trained professional who's like, your threshold for suffering is
Speaker 4: outsized and too high, and you need to readjust and
Speaker 4: recalibrate because what you think of as neutral is bad,
Speaker 4: and what you think of as bad is abusive and
Speaker 4: what you and it's like, oh, so you know, yes,
Speaker 4: because it's a story and we all love stories and
Speaker 4: we love fairy tales and like we wouldn't be crazy
Speaker 4: actors in the circus if we didn't do I ultimately
Speaker 4: want to be like, wouldn't it be so cool? And
Speaker 4: then I'm like yeah, or maybe people just have like
Speaker 4: boundaries and don't want to suffer with this man who
Speaker 4: murdered his brother who was their uncle. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I think we have a unique ability as humans to
Speaker 3: offer each other, like offer each other's radical wild space
Speaker 3: to become better people. And sometimes that happens by someone
Speaker 3: giving you an unreasonable amount of forgiveness. Yeah, And it
Speaker 3: is a fine line between just shutting off my motions
Speaker 3: and being like Nope, I'm just not going to allow
Speaker 3: that person in my life anymore, or being recognizing like,
Speaker 3: oh no, this is unhealthy for me. I'm not supposed
Speaker 3: to be the person who's offering this for you know,
Speaker 3: it's a case by case basis.
Speaker 4: I guess that's what I think it is because yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, like one of the privileges of my life
Speaker 4: has been sitting with inmates in like maximum security prisons,
Speaker 4: working with the anti Recitivism Coalition, and I have wept
Speaker 4: and been held by men who've done the most terrible
Speaker 4: things who are also weeping. Like I've seen like redemption
Speaker 4: and healing. Yeah, for people whose society has said like irredeemable,
Speaker 4: lock them up and throw away the key. I will
Speaker 4: call that one of the privileges of my life forever.
Speaker 4: I don't know that the that the family members of
Speaker 4: the people who they committed, you know, crimes against need
Speaker 4: to do that job. And I think that that is
Speaker 4: actually one of the like that has been such a
Speaker 4: teacher for me about the value of really being willing
Speaker 4: to create community care because we have our community, Like
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for our little bizarre circus family that
Speaker 4: we built in Wilmington, And I think when you get
Speaker 4: to lean on your communities, it's so important. But I
Speaker 4: think sometimes we forget that community can come in all
Speaker 4: of these new and unknown places, and like, sometimes you
Speaker 4: need to build community with people you don't know at
Speaker 4: all to uplift these certain parts of society, to take
Speaker 4: off that vest to put down that rock, Like, I
Speaker 4: think it's part of why I'm like really passionate about
Speaker 4: the social framework and like social services honestly, because without them,
Speaker 4: things fall apart, and without them, some of these people
Speaker 4: do fall through the cracks. So it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: does Haley need to be the person who forgives Dan Scott?
Speaker 4: Maybe he needs to go to a men's group and
Speaker 4: get hish together talking to people like Rob about going
Speaker 4: to therapy.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, you know, And you know,
Speaker 5: I got to say, as a viewer, what I love
Speaker 5: about it is that, first of all, I always want
Speaker 5: to root for a comeback story, and Dan Scott has
Speaker 5: the potential for the greatest comeback story. But I also
Speaker 5: love that he already has developed a platform. We're seeing
Speaker 5: he already has people buying his potential bullshit, and because
Speaker 5: he has, we think, we believe he has the potential
Speaker 5: for greatness, but we've also seen his capacity for evil.
Speaker 5: It makes it this really uncomfortable tightrope of like all right,
Speaker 5: you charlatan, Yeah, we've already got some people fooled. We're
Speaker 5: here for the ride, but our guard is super duper up.
Speaker 4: It's like Shakespearean level drama. It's so yummy. Yes, But also,
Speaker 4: now that we're talking about this joy, you've really made
Speaker 4: me realize the fact that we never had to see
Speaker 4: Dan and like group therapy with other inmates, I'm furious.
Speaker 4: What a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 3: That's when he would have learned how to manipulate the
Speaker 3: whole system.
Speaker 4: It would have been so cool, though, because they could
Speaker 4: have made you think he was being redeemed and then
Speaker 4: you'd be like, oh, look he took advantage of that guy,
Speaker 4: and it would fuel exactly what Rob's talking about. It's
Speaker 4: like war the Roses level. It's so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good, and.
Speaker 4: The generational opportunity for it too, Like if we think
Speaker 4: about Shakespeare, we have loved you said it, We have
Speaker 4: loved Nathan Scott's comeback. We have rooted for the comeback.
Speaker 4: Don't call it a comeback, hey, c guess what it
Speaker 4: is a comeback, like we are here for it. And
Speaker 4: so I think that adds to like will we or
Speaker 4: won't we? With Dan Scott and it's it's yummy.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's like that great office meme of Michael Scott where
Speaker 5: it's I'm ready to be hurt again in the day pool.
Speaker 5: That's how I feel Dan Scott, where it's like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm on the ride and I am ready to be
Speaker 5: hurt again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, Yeah, somebody just hand me the fork.
Speaker 4: I'll stab it in my own eye.
Speaker 3: I love talking about this stuff with you guys. Oh man,
Speaker 3: Well it was a great episode. This will be fun
Speaker 3: to do next week too. What do we have next?
Speaker 4: Well, we have a listener question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michelle says my questions for someone who has never
Speaker 3: been to Wilmington before, describe the town in three words. Oh, humid,
Speaker 3: that's my word. Everybody gets a word.
Speaker 4: It's gonna say warm, but like, you know, temperature and
Speaker 4: emotionally warm.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say cozy. That was going to be
Speaker 5: my other word.
Speaker 3: I was like warm, cozy, warm, cozy.
Speaker 5: And I have to say having gone back with new eyes, Yeah, idyllic.
Speaker 5: It's beautiful, it's small, it's quaint, it's picturesque. You know.
Speaker 3: All right, we're into five words now, Rob, I'm a
Speaker 3: rule breaker.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm the bad drama queen. I don't follow the rules. Guys.
Speaker 5: That was seven words.
Speaker 4: You're welcome, Nachelle. Let's spin a Wheel Kids, do it? Rob,
Speaker 4: you read it? It's your very first wheel spin.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, most likely to win a dance contest. Well,
Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, get ahead of ourselves here,
Speaker 5: but we get to see Clay do some dancing in
Speaker 5: a future episode and it is not pretty. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to go ahead and pull Clay's name out of
Speaker 5: the running.
Speaker 4: I was going to jump from a character and go
Speaker 4: straight into a cast me and say, hands down, Lee Norris. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's very good.
Speaker 3: Well mouth too, Yeah, honestly, you're not wrong. Mouth jumped
Speaker 3: up on that on this Sparco classic and really save
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 4: It's true. Okay, it's Lee all around.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: Also in real life, it would be oh, by my blanket,
Speaker 5: Jamie's name, Jackson Jackson, thank you? Remember when Jackson we
Speaker 5: were doing that panel or something and Jackson had like
Speaker 5: the Green Man costume. Yeah, he just went out and
Speaker 5: danced for about seven minutes straight. We're like, how much
Speaker 5: energy does this kid have? Law? He can cut a rug?
Speaker 4: He really can. All right, next episode, Kids will be
Speaker 4: back next week. Season seven, episode two, What are you
Speaker 4: willing to lose? Okay, that feels very on point for
Speaker 4: the end of our discussion here about forgiveness. Let's see
Speaker 4: what's what's coming next. Maybe there'll be a part two
Speaker 4: to that as well. Thanks guyse Hey.
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