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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. All about that

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Speaker 1: high school drama girl drama girl, all about them.

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Speaker 2: High school queens.

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Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl

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Speaker 3: shared for the right teams drama.

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Speaker 4: Queens up girl fashion, but your.

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Speaker 3: Tough girl, you could sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl drama, queens, drama, quise drama, queens drama, drama, queens, drama,

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Speaker 1: queens Listen.

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Speaker 5: So far, I've literally been given zero information or direction

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Speaker 5: on how to do this job, and I kind of

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Speaker 5: feel like we should just continue that trend. It's kind

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Speaker 5: of fitting. It's like the show just no one told

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Speaker 5: me anything. They're like, eh, have fun, kid, good luck.

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Speaker 4: So Rob, I'm gonna let you in on a little something,

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Speaker 4: which actually might be a perfect way to start season seven.

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Speaker 4: When we first sat down to start talking about this,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember, you looked at us

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Speaker 4: on FaceTime, you go, but what are we going to

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Speaker 4: talk about? And we be like, who knows, We'll make

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Speaker 4: it up as we go along. Well, no, till we

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Speaker 4: start like there is no direction, we just get to try.

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying, but great for you, Rob. You're good at

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Speaker 3: him prov.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not afraid to make an ass of myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm comfortable with that's my strike zone. So I feel

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, now that we've gotten a little bit of

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Speaker 4: how the sausage is made, out of the way, Robertel

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Speaker 4: take us away, read us our synopsis at the beginning

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Speaker 4: of season seven.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I have waited so long for this moment. Season seven,

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Speaker 5: episode one, four thirty am. Apparently they were traveling abroad.

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Speaker 5: Air date September fourteenth, two thousand and nine. Nathan learns

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Speaker 5: of a shocking accusation that could threaten his career, much

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Speaker 5: to the chagrin of his sports agent, Clay Chagrin. All Right,

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Speaker 5: Brooke prepares to launch a new fashion line, and Julian

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Speaker 5: decides to produce a big movie. Haley's sister Quinn, makes

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Speaker 5: a surprise visit. Meanwhile, Jamie celebrates his seventh birthday directed

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Speaker 5: by Clark Mathis.

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Speaker 4: Robert, you have just soothing synopsis voice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've spent so much time practicing two hours in

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Speaker 5: the shower this morning, so that is really helpful and

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Speaker 3: Have you been told that you have a good radio voice?

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Speaker 3: Is this like something that's followed you in life?

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Speaker 5: More a good face for radio. I one time had

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Speaker 5: a friend who did voice over, tell me, yeah, you

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Speaker 5: She was like, it's what cool people have. And it

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Speaker 5: it's not fun to become aware of something you do

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Speaker 5: all the time, you know. Yeah, that said, this is

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Speaker 5: a great episode. We're so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I know how you feel about that. I remember this

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Speaker 4: was not long ago, like this was pretty recent. Someone

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Speaker 4: I just love that you always do that gag, like

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Speaker 4: you're not doing that as a joke and I was like,

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Speaker 4: I've seen it now in video evidence. Basically go like

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 5: This is going to translate to every single time you

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Speaker 5: and I hang out, me slyly trying to get you

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Speaker 5: There's nothing worse than when I will speak for myself.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I guess it's like it's bad enough for me.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if I just if I would

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Did you ever have a time where you or

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Speaker 5: the love. That's why the conventions are great, right, is

435
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 5: because it's just the love fest. It's just people going

436
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 5: that was It's great? That thing you did? I love it,

437
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 5: and that's going, oh my gosh, that's so awesome. What's up?

438
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 5: Want to you know what I mean, it's yeah, yeah,

439
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 5: So it's nice getting to have a second experience with it.

440
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 5: I've been so grateful for because had none of us existed,

441
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 5: I think it would have just stayed the tough chapter.

442
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 5: Is that I just sort of left back there, you know.

443
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well I love moving forward into good space and

444
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: I love I do. I just I love the scene

445
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: in the first scene with you in the office with

446
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: the ball, like it's I know, we talked about it

447
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 4: last week. I know I brought it up earlier, but

448
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 4: it really it establishes you in such a cool way. Yeah,

449
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 4: and it just makes me get who this guy is.

450
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 4: And one of the things that was really interesting for

451
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: me to watch, particularly because we talked with Hillary about

452
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 4: how you and her have such similar energy and how

453
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 4: you can you can see that in like Clay comes

454
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 4: in in this way that feels peyton esque. But also

455
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: the thing that blew my mind rewatching this episode was

456
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 4: seeing how Clay does a Peyton and Quinn does a Lucas.

457
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: But there's also this wild mirroring in the Peyton and

458
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: Lucas love story and the Clay and Quinn love story,

459
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 4: Like this boy falls for this girl who everyone tells

460
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 4: him is unavailable to him, who's in another relationship, who's

461
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: an artist, and he's pining. And I was like, wait,

462
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: wait a second, because like, Chantelle is Chad in certain

463
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 4: ways and you are Hillary in certain ways, And that

464
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: I think is why it does work so well because

465
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: it didn't quote replace. It wasn't like they were trying

466
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: to replace characters. They were working with archetypes that worked.

467
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: But I'd never noticed the similarity of like the first

468
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 4: pining after her moment before. I didn't catch it when

469
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: season seven was happening because I was like trying to

470
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 4: get to know these new characters on our show and

471
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 4: you guys, but watching you sit with Haley and Nathan

472
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: on the steps at Jamie's birthday party once it's night

473
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: time and everyone's playing football, I was like, Oh my god,

474
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: this is like Lucas watching Peyton draw, Like what's happening?

475
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: Wow?

476
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: And I never caught it before, and it felt like

477
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 4: a really cool little easter egg, like for our fans

478
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: and for this legacy of these Tree Hill love stories.

479
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, they told us from the beginning

480
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: that those two were going to end up together. Got

481
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: it yecause I didn't see it until I saw it.

482
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he calls his shot in a great way. I

483
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 5: think one this episode excelled in a big way when

484
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 5: it came to introducing characters. Yes, I agree that the

485
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 5: cause last week's episode I talked about the initial scene

486
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 5: with Clay was me just standing in front of two

487
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: hundred people in an auditorium, just talking, and luckily they

488
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 5: were wise enough to realize that was very boring and

489
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 5: not effective. But so Clay's intro was great because it

490
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 5: really tells you clear picture of who he is. Quinn's

491
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 5: intro scene was so good, so incredibly charming. Chantel played

492
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 5: the hell out of that. It was so good. And

493
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 5: then India's intro.

494
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, oh yeah that was fun.

495
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: She crushed that. Yeah, I don't want to get ahead

496
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: of myself, but she has maybe the line of the

497
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 5: episode when Enjoy you come in, You're like, oh, yes, sorry,

498
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 5: I've just been busy of the career. And then the

499
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 5: parenting stuff and she goes, oh, yeah, we lost Peyton

500
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 5: to one of those and you go sorry, and she

501
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 5: goes kids family.

502
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: I got it was so good, so good, so so good.

503
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: And I loved Chantelle's intro too because all the still photographs,

504
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: it really caught my eye. Was something so different than

505
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: what we've ever seen on the show before. So taking

506
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: the time to watch her take those photos and see

507
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: all the different environments, it was just a little a

508
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: little clue to the audience to let it know we're

509
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: entering into new territory and it's okay, we've got you.

510
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: And I loved that they gave us moments with these

511
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: images of someone's artwork, but it didn't feel like they

512
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: were having another girl who draws come in, like we

513
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 4: spent six seasons close up on Peyton's drawings. Yes, and

514
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: it was really nice to get these close up freeze

515
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: frames on imagery but have them be photographs instead, because again,

516
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: it was really wise. I thought it was a smart

517
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 4: way to thread the needle where it was. It was

518
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 4: giving us something familiar and yet completely new. Yeah, I

519
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: thought it was a really really good choice. And I

520
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: loved that they were also making very clear that there

521
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: had been a big time jump because it was the

522
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: end of the first NBA season. Jamie had Nathan's Bobcats card.

523
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: We see that, you know, Brooke and Julian have been

524
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: in this long distance relationship. We cut to New York

525
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 4: and Millie is now Brooke Davis two point zero running

526
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: that office, you know, just crushing it. Lisa was so

527
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: perfect in that scene, bapap bah blah blah ba bock

528
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: giving orders talking about coffee green is the new orange.

529
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 5: Like the whole thing.

530
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: Was just so yummy, and it to your point, Rob,

531
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: They introduced and also reintroduced people really well because they said, oh,

532
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 4: everyone's in a new life stage. Whether you know them

533
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: or not, and they made it clear who all these

534
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: people were in really artful ways.

535
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, I mean, you got such a great

536
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: the upgrade of familiarity but something new, being able to

537
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: watch Brooke and Juliet and you guys were in from

538
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: Here to Eternity the whole show, the two of you

539
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: in the sand, at the beach, at the red carpet.

540
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 5: I mean, how much.

541
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Fun did you have shooting all that stuff?

542
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: It was the best montage of the whole series.

543
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it was really fun. I do remember we

544
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: had to go all the way, I want to say

545
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: it was like a random part of Carolina Beach. We

546
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: had to go to to film the beach scenes because

547
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: they that day sequence, because they needed a really steep

548
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: like beach, like the sand had to be at such

549
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: an angle to get the waves crashing because it wasn't

550
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: working at Wrightsville, So we had to drive really really far,

551
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 4: and then they kept moving us around because the tide

552
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 4: obviously is like shifting, and they just they wanted that

553
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: big wave crash. You know. Clark Mathis, who directed Who's

554
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: So Lovely, really wanted to get the scene right because

555
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: it was supposed to look like that old timey movie.

556
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: And by the end of it, I was cracking up

557
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: when they do the pan up our bodies because you

558
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: can see, if you really like freeze frame, how much

559
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: sand is even like stuck in the divits of like

560
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: my spine and my back we were, I mean, we

561
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: had just gotten tossed around like it. It looked so romantic,

562
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: and I remember by the end of that feeling like

563
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: a drown rat and just being like, there is so

564
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: much sand everywhere. I need to take a shower, Please

565
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: let me go home. And yeah, it was just, oh boy,

566
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: it was wild.

567
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 5: My note on that scene was beautiful to watch. Miserable

568
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: to shoot.

569
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: Uh huh, yeah, yeah.

570
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 5: Because you're cold, you're getting watched. Trying to kiss romantically

571
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: while you're getting water splashed in your face is so

572
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: bad and old.

573
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: James and I had to do a lot of that,

574
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: a lot of kissing in rain and water, and it's

575
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: just it is miserable.

576
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: And it's not great either to like have to shoot

577
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: at the beach as an actor, because again, the world

578
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: assumes we're the most comfortable, confident people. But you know,

579
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: as a woman, like you're in a bikini, you're essentially

580
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: in your underwear and there's like two hundred people on

581
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: the beach just taking your picture, and I'm like, could

582
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: you maybe not take my picture while I'm standing here

583
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: essentially in my underwear, Like I don't consent to this.

584
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: I feel so uncomfortable and you can't really stand up

585
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: for yourself because yeah, it's a public beach, and you know,

586
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: we didn't work for people who were willing to like

587
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: put up privacy screens for us, and so I was

588
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: like cool. I was like, this all makes me feel

589
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: so uncomfortable. But it still looked so beautiful.

590
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: The glamour, the romance and all of it. Ah, in

591
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: the edit, it's so glamorous.

592
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 5: Brook and Julian. The whole episode was just my wall

593
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: to wall gorgeous romance.

594
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

595
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: I loved it. Those night scenes on the.

596
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Beach, Oh yeah, the fire.

597
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 5: My only issue with the night scene on the beach

598
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: was this when he goes, do you know what I want?

599
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 5: And he whispers in your ear this skinny dip. I

600
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 5: just thought, there's no way in a cold night that

601
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 5: the thing you want to do is go get into

602
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: the cold water with her and then be sandy like

603
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: the crudgeon adult and he went, you guys have houses,

604
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: why is it did you want to go in the

605
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 5: sandy cold water?

606
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: Right now, here's what I will say in Julian's defense.

607
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: It was July in North Carolina, so it was like

608
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: one hundred degrees at night, So if that helps your

609
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: inner curmudgeon, it was not cold when we shot this.

610
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: It wasn't one of those like spring bread episodes that

611
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: we shoot in February and we're all sobbing because it's

612
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: thirty degrees out. It actually was quite warm. But I

613
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: just want to shout out. And our friends at home

614
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: have heard his name a lot. Peter Kowalski, our DP.

615
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: The way he lit. Yeah, those nighttime scenes for Austin

616
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: and I on the beach with that bonfire light on

617
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: our faces that made all everything behind us go really blue.

618
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: It was really it was like breathtakingly beautiful to me

619
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: as a viewer to look at. I was like, oh,

620
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: I feel like I can like I can smell the

621
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: saltwater and I know it's warm, and I know what

622
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: that balmy breeze is. I got a sense of where

623
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: we were from the light temperature, and like that that's

624
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: takes out.

625
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: He's amazing you both every scene though, it was funny

626
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: because I had a one going my friends are super beautiful,

627
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: like you guys in the limo. You got the smoky eye.

628
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: He's in the talks and you're in your chemistry, but

629
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: the two of your chemistry is just so easy and fantastic. Yeah,

630
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: but every scene you were in it was like a

631
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 5: vanity poster of just like how good it could love

632
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 5: could be. It was just it was beautiful and idyllic.

633
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: It. I sort of feel like they really wanted to

634
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: give that to Brook at this point too, because she

635
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: really went through the ringer for the first six seasons,

636
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: and I think they were like, you know what, we've

637
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: really had this chick on like tumble dry, you know,

638
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: for long enough. Let's just let her have her like happy,

639
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: you know, happy ever after moment. It was very sweet.

640
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: I think the show needed it too. It needed the relief,

641
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: like we've got all this stuff coming up with Nathan

642
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: and Haley and all that tension that's going to start,

643
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: and all of the unpreduing to bowl things with Dan

644
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: that are coming up, and the comic relief with Mouth

645
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: and Skills, which talk about.

646
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 5: So good.

647
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, we needed we needed the romance. It has to.

648
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: It's an integral part of our show, and you guys

649
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: were able to show up for that, which I loved.

650
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: And also it was it was very smart because it's

651
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 5: a very quick, almost throwaway moment, but in no ways

652
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 5: that actually throw a moment when we're panning off of

653
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: you and you're talking to him, when you're standing up

654
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: with the ocean at your back and he's sitting on

655
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: the beach and you're like, I made some space in

656
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: the guest closet. And then when you walk over after

657
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: he talks about the movie and we see in the

658
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 5: sand that you had written marry me, it's that payoff

659
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: is so much greater when we've seen this whole episode

660
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 5: so far, just how good it could be. Yeah, it

661
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 5: makes sense why you'd ask and be It makes the

662
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: oh moment that that might hit that much harder.

663
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

664
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: Okay, mouth and skills, Oh.

665
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: My god, apparently our other favorite couple in this show,

666
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: those two. Like the naked off is so good and

667
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: so funny, and the facts that it begins from the

668
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: cut from Nathan's Axe body spray commercial, which to mouth

669
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: using the body spray. Yeah, Like, it's just it's so

670
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: funny because it's how good it could be on TV

671
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: with like the NBA player, and then you know it's

672
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: like the dude at home trying to figure it out

673
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: on his like you know, secondhand leather couch, and and

674
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 4: the fact that they just go tip for tat is

675
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: so they're just so good together. I just want them forever. Yeah,

676
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm die good to know the rumors aren't true. Slam

677
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 4: like perfect her delivery.

678
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: So first of all, I thought the choice to have

679
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 5: Mouth eating a sandwich. I laughed so hard because when

680
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 5: you think of being naked, probably one of the few

681
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: things you ever want to be doing is eating a

682
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 5: messy sandwich, you know. So I love that choice. But

683
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: when Lisa walks in her delivery on okay Okay is

684
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: so funny. Her timing is perfect, and I could have

685
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: watched a whole Buddy movie with Antoine and Mouth doing this.

686
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: It was so where is that I need that movie asap?

687
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: I agree, I need so much more of them. And

688
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: I also I love again there is so much larger

689
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: than life stuff on our show, which is look, it's

690
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: a TV show. It's why things work. Like we want

691
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: to aspire, we want to fantasize with people. But I

692
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: love the rootedness of these two best friends who live

693
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 4: together that are trying to figure it out, and they

694
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: both want to get more serious with their girlfriends, and

695
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: one of them has to be like, yeah, I'd love

696
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: to move out, but I can't afford it, which is

697
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 4: real life in your twenties, Like my best friend's from

698
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: college and I in our twenties. Ps. While I was

699
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: on our show, like I chipped in for keys to

700
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: a two bedroom apartment in New York and would like

701
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: fly up for the weekend and sleep on the couch,

702
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: Like none of us could afford anything more than we

703
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: made it work. And I just I love the comedy

704
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: in it, but I also like that they keep us

705
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: grounded because you know, the other scenes are, yeah, we're

706
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: with like the fancy sports agent and the nat geophotographer

707
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: at the NBA player and the rock star wife's kid's birthday,

708
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: Like everything is so fantastical that I don't know. I

709
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: just love like the cute buddies in their apartment.

710
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 5: And they're sweet to each other. I love I love it.

711
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: I love a dude who's emotionally available, and I like

712
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: that the silliness of that scene ends with mouth going, hey, dude,

713
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: I love you. I still we're still friends. I still

714
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 5: want to hang with you. I'm just trying to sort

715
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: of level up my game here. You know that was

716
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 5: nice that it wasn't just a bit and then a

717
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 5: joke and the scene's over.

718
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I like healthy, vulnerable, safe masculinity. It's like,

719
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: it's not that hard.

720
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: Look at these two.

721
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: They're great.

722
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 5: Jamie's birthday party. There's two things I noticed that cracked

723
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: me up. The first is it's a close shot on

724
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: your face, Joy as you're getting ready outside, right and

725
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 5: it hasn't revealed the party yet, and you hear Jamie

726
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: off screen say like mom, and you have a moment

727
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 5: like you're nervous on what is reactions going to be.

728
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: You're like, okay, here we go, Okay, come on out.

729
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 5: And the camera pans around to what looks more like

730
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: a small county fair than a seven year old's birthday party.

731
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: And I laughed, like, what would you be nervous about

732
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 5: when you have that production.

733
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: They are living in like this new palatial whatever this

734
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: new house is with this massive pool.

735
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 6: This is the first time at this house, right, yes, yes, Okay, absolutely,

736
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 6: this is a new house Clay has been turning up

737
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 6: for Nathan, getting him lots of commercials apparently, and Nathan

738
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 6: is I mean, I don't know what Hayley's doing, because

739
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 6: I don't think she's certainly not paying for that house

740
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 6: on a teacher salary, and she's trying to run the

741
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 6: label now, but.

742
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's working well apparently, given what

743
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: is going on. But they got this killer spot, this

744
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: killer new pad, magical yard. They've got a dock that

745
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: runs out to the river. It's wonderful.

746
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: There's also a bit in that party where and I

747
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: actually remember doing this when it's a walk and talk.

748
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: It's actually the scene where Clay and Quinn meet the

749
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: first time, where she walks up and has that hilarious

750
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: little shot at him about getting Nathan his money. But

751
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: a trey walks by with cookies. I think, why it's

752
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 5: I think myself and you and James are talking joy

753
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: and I grab a cookie off of it and I

754
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: take a bite, and we're talking, and I think, I

755
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 5: take the whole tray, and then about thirty seconds later,

756
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: a server walk up and I hand them the tray

757
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: and then put the cookie. I just took a bite

758
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: of took a head right back in with the rest

759
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 5: of the cookies.

760
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: No, you do not.

761
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: Clay Evans the original Double Dipper. How gross is that

762
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: I missed that? I think I thought it was funny

763
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: and that no one. I just I remember just doing it,

764
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 5: going like, I wonder if they'll even notice this, this

765
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 5: will even get in there, And then I watched it, going,

766
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 5: that's so disgusting and funny.

767
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: No, but they didn't notice. That's a thing.

768
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: They were.

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: They were, Oh man, that's so good. And that makes

770
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: me want to start really watching your performances from now

771
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: on because I I know that side of you that

772
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: like But also this is this is you and Hillary.

773
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 4: You are the same. You two in the party are

774
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: like m hahaha, waiting for one of us to look

775
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: and catch you.

776
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: Sitting around all day in my trailer, waiting to be shot.

777
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: Because there's twenty five other people in this scene. I'm

778
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: so bored. I'm gonna steal cookies and see if anybody

779
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: notices it.

780
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: So funny.

781
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: I thought your stuff with Chantell was fantastic.

782
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Joy.

783
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 5: You guys have such an ease and a natural chemistry. Yeah,

784
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: it was.

785
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: It was always really easy to work with Chantal. I mean,

786
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: she and I we always got on really well. It

787
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: felt like it felt like sisters right away, and there

788
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: was just nothing. It never felt competitive, it never felt

789
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: like we were always just very We had great conversations.

790
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: She was lovely and professional and easy to work with,

791
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: and we had fun.

792
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's also really nice seeing Haley get that chemistry

793
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 4: with Quinn, because so much of the Haley and Taylor

794
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: relationship was so combative. Yeah, and it's nice to be

795
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: adults and see women enjoy each other, you know. It

796
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: was so nice for us in these later seasons, like

797
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 4: to get Lisa and then when Chantal came and then

798
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: you know, Jana's coming, and it was like everyone was

799
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 4: just so sweet. Like I remember in the first couple

800
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: weeks of this year all of us being at dinner

801
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: being like, wow, yeah, how cool, like because you never know,

802
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: and it's cool to see it now and like, watch

803
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: you guys, because there is there is like an on

804
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: screen chemistry that does already feel very familiar between the

805
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: two of you, and I think without that, it wouldn't

806
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: have sold for us as an audience.

807
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: So well, you know, yeah, oh good, Yeah, I think,

808
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: you know what you were saying about the women coming

809
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: on the show and everything, it was like we were

810
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: so far down the line by then. I wonder if

811
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: the powers that be that we're trying to, you know,

812
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: pit us against each other in the beginning and just

813
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: working so hard over time to triangulate that they had

814
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: sort of given up by then because it was so

815
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: like their damage had been done and it was just

816
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: like they were able to now it didn't matter so much.

817
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: There were more of us, and so maybe they were

818
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: less worried about us all banding together to negotiating as

819
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: a team and things like that. So I wonder if

820
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: that's why it was so much easier at this stage

821
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: in the show for all of us to just kind

822
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: of be friendly and get along and not feel competitive

823
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: because there wasn't this behind the scenes like mess happening.

824
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that positive take. I wish it

825
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: had lasted longer than just the beginning of season seven

826
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: with the Powers that be, but you know, they didn't

827
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: give us long. But I will say at least there

828
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: was like this lovely moment, and I think Jamie's party

829
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: felt like that, like it was so nice to have

830
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: you guys as like our new compadres there. I thought

831
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: the characters were introduced in such great ways, and everyone

832
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: had such great chemistry together and even you know, even

833
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: the fact that when everyone gathers around for Jamie to

834
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: open his gifts and you've got this hilarious moment of

835
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: skills giving him his quote vintage CD collection and Miss

836
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: Mouran's ribbon him and then you you like, come in

837
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: with the you know, with the big dick energy, and

838
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: you get like Jerry Rice to walk in the door

839
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 4: is going on here? Like the whole thing it felt

840
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: on screen like that feeling you're describing, I think joy,

841
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: Like we all went, oh my god, this feels really good.

842
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: We are going to be okay because two of our

843
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: friends had left, like we didn't know what was going

844
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: to happen, and it felt very rife with potential. And

845
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 4: I loved that and I loved I have no idea

846
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: who at the studio pulled a favor to get Jerry

847
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 4: Rice on our show, but it was like, honestly so iconic.

848
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: His cameo was so good.

849
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, full disclosure, I had forgotten. So when that happened,

850
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: I went, oh, I guess I met Jerry Rice, and

851
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 5: then I remember, then, remember the day. But one thing

852
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 5: I think the episode did very well was that there

853
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: was also still enough connective tissue to Lucas and Peyton

854
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 5: to where it didn't feel like they were just pretending

855
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 5: that that was just over and gone. Like I love

856
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: Lucas gifting Jamie the basketball. I love when Nathan and

857
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 5: Jamie go to the court they play a game of

858
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: Lucas instead of a game. Of course, Brooke is talking

859
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 5: about Peyton a lot.

860
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: So she's the one who left.

861
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so it was the right amount of here

862
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 5: are new people, but also we're still they're still in

863
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: our orbit the people that left.

864
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did a great job of just letting us

865
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: know that we've got you, like we know why you're here.

866
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: Don't worry, We've got your audience, and stay with us.

867
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: And I appreciate that they were thoughtful enough to think

868
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: about how to allow those shifts to inform our characters,

869
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: like for me, you know, I also forgot about Jerry Rice,

870
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: to be clear, but I you know, Brooke didn't make

871
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: the joke Clay did. I forgot that Brooke got really

872
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: vulnerable in this episode with Julian because he's away working

873
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: and Peyton's gone. For Brooke Davis to look up at

874
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: that man and say, I'm really lonely because her partner

875
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 4: is long distance and her best friend doesn't live at

876
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: home anymore. It makes a really interesting argument when they're

877
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: in the limo and he says, you can run your

878
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: company from anywhere, why do you need to stay here?

879
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: And for her, tree Hill is home. Tree Hill is home,

880
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: but it's starting to change. And I liked in that

881
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: moment it sort of made my like, you know when

882
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: you have that beat right before you cry and your

883
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 4: breath like catches your throat. I was watching the episode

884
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm just so lonely, and I

885
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, because I forgot that. In

886
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: that moment, Brook sort of got to be the audience's

887
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 4: voice and be like, I don't know if I understand

888
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: what's happening here, but by the end, it's like we're

889
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: going to be okay, like we were here and we're

890
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: building like a new you know, future family, et cetera.

891
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: It felt nice, like I did to your point, Joy,

892
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: I feel like they were trying to say we've got

893
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: you guys.

894
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, and that Jerry Rice. Bit I thought,

895
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 5: was I agree with you? That was so successful because

896
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: the scene that killed me was when they're playing again,

897
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: another really terrific Quinn scene, but when they're in the huddle,

898
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: you know, and this is when Nathan and Clay and

899
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 5: Hayley are watching from the steps and yeah, and Quinn says,

900
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: all right, we have the great greatest wide receiver in

901
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 5: the history of the game. Jamie, We're going to you.

902
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 5: And if you watch, you have to watch Jamie does.

903
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 5: He has such a beautiful moment where he does a

904
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 5: fifth pump, but he also kind of like nods his

905
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 5: head like you're making the right call, going to me, yes,

906
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: And it left Jerry going, what am I going to do?

907
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 5: And she goes block and he says three hundred and

908
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: seven touchdowns and they got me blocking, darn it. It

909
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Jerry Rice, you are infinitely lowble.

910
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: Really fun, yes, really fun.

911
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 4: And you never know, you know, somebody like that comes

912
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: in and does a cameo and you're like, oh boy,

913
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: are they going to be great or are they going

914
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: to be very wooden? And Jerry Rice turns out is

915
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: a great actor. Like I'm like, sir, can you can

916
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: you like, come and play with us some more. What

917
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 4: I'd love I have to say because I'm looking at

918
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: my notes one of the things I'm obsessed with. And

919
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: we've circled back to the dynamic of Clay essentially like pining,

920
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 4: you know, after the unavailable woman, which I love. The

921
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: thing that makes me giggle, you know, with our team

922
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: of most female writers, is that they leaned so hard

923
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: into like the classic joke of like she knows sports

924
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: like hat Jake who knows sports sports, And it works

925
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: so beautifully between you guys, between Clay and Quinn. And

926
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: if it had just been the joke where like she

927
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: ran up to you at the beginning and said the

928
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: thing about Nathan and all the stats and walked away,

929
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: you'd be like, okay. But then to see her out

930
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: like playing football with all the boys, and when Jerry

931
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: and Skills are running all the kids around, and then

932
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: you realize everybody else is involved, Like it took it

933
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: a step further. It gave Clay like something very real

934
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: to watch and you get to see, you know, to

935
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: the point of introducing these characters, well, you get to

936
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: see Quinn's relationship with Jamie as his aunt. You really

937
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: get to see this family and knowing what comes, watching

938
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: you kind of pine after her with Haley and Nathan

939
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: on the stairs, I was like, Oh, it's gonna get

940
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: weird because you've already told Nathan that the hot Hicks

941
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 4: coming over tonight. You know it's it's It just was

942
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: set up so well, and I loved it.

943
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: Speaking of this party, I have to say there's one

944
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: thing on this show that really it's funny when things

945
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: pop up that date us that when you watch it,

946
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, this is so well. No, it's just

947
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you guys even know this,

948
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: but kid's birthday parties. Nobody opens presents at the party anymore.

949
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: This is like a new wave thing where the kids

950
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: all you just set the gift on a table and

951
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: then you the kid opens them at home later on

952
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: their own time. But I remember every birthday party there

953
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: was like a time for presents. You sat down and everybody, right, yeah,

954
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: don't you remember this. You have sit down, you'd open

955
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: your gifts from everybody, you'd thank everyone there in person,

956
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: and then that was like an event within every single

957
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: birthday party. And it doesn't happen anymore. And it was

958
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 3: really funny because I saw I saw all that huge

959
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: gift of table of gifts, and I watched Jamie walk

960
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: over and start to open. I was like, oh my god,

961
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: that's right. We don't do this anymore. It doesn't happen.

962
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: It's so sad.

963
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: Wow.

964
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean meaningless in the context of the story,

965
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: but I thought, no, but kind of interesting.

966
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Right.

967
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: It's like when you go back and you watch the

968
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: early seasons and everyone's opening their flip phones and you're like, oh.

969
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: God, yeah, totally so funny.

970
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: It was also a little strange to me that and

971
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 5: I get why it can work, but that a totally

972
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: random woman dressed like she's going to a club up

973
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 5: next to James.

974
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: It was weird, and.

975
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 5: Talks about his career, asks for a selfie. It was

976
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 5: I get it, though, like when it's a party, it's crazy.

977
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 5: As a parent, you have a thousand different things going on,

978
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 5: so yeah, I will allow it. But it was one

979
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: of those moments where I just thought, really, really, this

980
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: strange woman, you know.

981
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me what helped was that there was a

982
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: crowd and he turned and then turned back, and I

983
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: was like, I could buy that. She's one of the

984
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: elementary school moms that he just doesn't know because he's

985
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 4: also been on the road all season.

986
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

987
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: But what was more alarming for me was like, how

988
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: did she get there? Because these these two, to your point, Joy,

989
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 4: they live in this big new house, which I would

990
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: assume if he's in the NBA, is like in some

991
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: sort of gated community. I'm like, did she take a

992
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 4: canoe up the intracoastal and like come in from the river.

993
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 3: This is crazy enough to do that, I'm saying.

994
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, she might have.

995
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: That was the one thing I didn't bump on, because

996
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 5: when we panned around the party to see the scope

997
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: of it, you saw that their backyard kind of just

998
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: opens up to beach.

999
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: That's true.

1000
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 5: I thought, it's not hard to find out where someone lives.

1001
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: If that's the case, I could see her just walking

1002
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: up to the beach and it's crowded party. Yeah, but yeah,

1003
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 5: it was you knew the second that started happening. Oh yeah,

1004
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 5: stranger danger.

1005
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember what happens. I'm really like, this is

1006
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: a wun No, No, I do not remember.

1007
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I do. Because when the episode starts,

1008
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 4: by the way, wait a second, we didn't even talk

1009
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: about the fact that the episode opens on Dan Scott's

1010
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: talk show, Oh my god, Clock the.

1011
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: Clock, and.

1012
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: When I saw that woman and I remember, And then

1013
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: it cuts back to Dan and his talk show is

1014
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: called Redemption, and he's talking about how what you've done

1015
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: is not who you will be, it's who you've been.

1016
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: But now I was like, oh my god, oh my god,

1017
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my god, I remember everything. I'm

1018
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 4: so excited for you to see what happens. I sure,

1019
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: I sure do.

1020
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 5: That whole thing with Dan was so effective, it was

1021
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 5: I was watching it. My note is just Paul is great.

1022
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: He's phenomenal, but it's.

1023
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 5: It's so funny to watch someone and be so engrossed

1024
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 5: and also so badly want to punch him in the face. Yea,

1025
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 5: Like he's so he's so smug and engaging at the

1026
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 5: same time doing that whole that whole speech.

1027
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: Yep, that's it. That takes a special skill. This, you know,

1028
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: this theme of forgiveness for Dan is really interesting. Like

1029
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 3: I said, I don't I don't remember what happens, but

1030
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: I suspect he's being super manipulative again, like as usual.

1031
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: But it did make me curious. Jamie asks Nathan if

1032
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: he's forgiven Dan honest ber yes, and I don't know why,

1033
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: I just I went on a dive. It made me

1034
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: curious about the origin of the word forgiveness, because we

1035
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 3: talk about this with Dan a lot on the show.

1036
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: The farthest back that I could find was a Hebrew

1037
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: word called nassa. I wrote it down to It means

1038
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: to lift up or lift off and remove, and in

1039
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: Latin in the thirteen hundreds it means passing over of

1040
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: an offense without punishment, which is essentially saying you deserve

1041
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: punishment for what you've done. I choose not to enact it,

1042
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 3: so I'm lifting up or off the burden of judgment

1043
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: and my desire to see you suffer it. So when

1044
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: Jamie asks Nathan if he's forgiven Dan, and you can

1045
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: see this moment pass over James's face and it's so subtle,

1046
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: but I've read it as Nathan realizing there's this fine

1047
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: line between going cold and becoming immune and actual forgiveness,

1048
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: and Nathan's it seems like he's realizing, Yeah, I've gone

1049
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: cold to Dan. I put up a wall so I

1050
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: don't feel bad emotions toward him anymore, but have I

1051
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: actually forgiven and released him from punishment, released myself from

1052
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: the desire to see him suffer consequences, which, considering everything

1053
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: Dan's done, feels an impossibly tall order. It's like Nathan

1054
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 3: knows it's too unfair to himself to just forgive and

1055
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: say like I don't deserve justice, or too unfair to

1056
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: the people who Dan's hurt to say they don't deserve justice.

1057
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: It's too outrageous to forgive. So he's honest and he says, no,

1058
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 3: I haven't. And I loved his honesty, and it really

1059
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: made me think about my own life and wrestle with

1060
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: like the big bads in my life, because yeah, I

1061
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: want to think of myself as a forgiving person. But

1062
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, Jamie says, I think you're big enough to

1063
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: forgive him. You're Nathan Scott, which is such a great line.

1064
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: But it made me wonder if I've been actually truly

1065
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: forgiving or if I've just been shutting off my emotions

1066
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: and calling it forgiveness so that I can feel better

1067
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: about myself. And is forgiveness something Dan should get, Like

1068
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: what are you guys? Sorry, it's a long spiel, but like,

1069
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts about this, and I

1070
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 3: want to know what you guys think about the concept

1071
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: of forgiveness and redemption for someone like Dan, all things considered.

1072
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 5: That first, that first definition you gave, I think it's

1073
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: said to lift off. Yeah, so's really interesting take because

1074
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 5: if you look at it like that, it's not about

1075
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: you doing something for the other person. It's actually it's

1076
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: an act of sort of self love or self care

1077
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 5: to relieve yourself of a burden you've been caring.

1078
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you're holding the judgment over someone. Right,

1079
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: you're saying like, I'm I've decided you need to suffer this,

1080
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: so to release it and like let it go.

1081
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1082
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: That's interesting. But ah, I hate Dan Scott.

1083
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing I think that look anger can

1084
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: be so poisonous, Like, yeah, everyone always says you forgive

1085
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 4: for you, not not for the other person. It's I

1086
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 4: think it's why that phrase forgive but don't forget comes around.

1087
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 4: The idea is that if you can really do it,

1088
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: you can unburden yourself. Yeah, doesn't mean you erase a boundary,

1089
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you let that person back into your life,

1090
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: like you know, it's it's certainly something I've had to

1091
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: think about I think we all have. But like you know,

1092
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 4: whether it's an injury, the you know, to everything twenty

1093
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 4: years ago or last year, It's like, what's the point

1094
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 4: in being angry at someone who betrays you? Then you're

1095
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: just angry you were betrayed either way, if you can

1096
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: see it, release it, fortify yourself against it. I think

1097
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: that that's great. I don't think forgiveness has to be

1098
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 4: like some big Kumbaya thing. And I think it's so

1099
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 4: interesting to hear the way you read it, because when

1100
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: I watched the scene between Nate, between Nathan and Jamie,

1101
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: that moment for me, I sort of read as all

1102
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 4: his complex adult man feelings and realizing he can't share

1103
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 4: those with his seven year old son like a seven

1104
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: year old can't process. Yeah, that, you know, did I

1105
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: forgive him for ruining my birthday and making me play

1106
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 4: in a peewee game. There's a lot more too it

1107
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: than that. Yeah, And so you know, I love all

1108
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: of it because in a way, it's the simplicity that

1109
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 4: a child is seeing and the complexity that the adult

1110
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: has experienced. And I loved the meeting of those experiences

1111
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 4: on screen. And I think I think forgiveness is incredibly complex.

1112
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: For that reason, I think we're all much more capable

1113
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 4: of forgiving now at this age than we were ten

1114
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: years ago, let alone twenty years ago. And I think

1115
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: those things are important. Like there are people whose actions,

1116
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 4: you know, a decade ago, would have still enraged me,

1117
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: and now I just say, like, well, it must be

1118
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: sad that you were in a place that that was

1119
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: what you chose. I hope you're well. I'm certainly not

1120
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: ever going to like let you back into my life,

1121
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 4: but I'll wish you well. I'll like, I'll ask how

1122
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 4: you're doing if I you out and about somewhere, And

1123
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: that that, for me, feels more like the forgiven. Forgive

1124
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: but don't forget.

1125
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: But what do you do with the with the knowing

1126
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: that you've been wronged?

1127
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 5: Call Trevor?

1128
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I mean, I look, I think here's

1129
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: what I will say is we've all been wronged, and

1130
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 4: we've we all we all, by the way, we have

1131
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 4: villains in our stories, right, and we're all the villain

1132
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: in somebody else's story. Yeah, whether or not it's accurate,

1133
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: like for sure, but but to other people, each of

1134
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 4: us has probably done something unforgivable, absolutely, and we can

1135
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 4: all sit and go well. Actually, the way it went

1136
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: down was this, Yeah, okay, it's like at this point,

1137
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: what for what?

1138
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 5: Like?

1139
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 4: What are we arguing it for? What are we fighting

1140
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 4: over it for?

1141
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 5: Like?

1142
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 4: What are you going to do like publish your text

1143
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 4: messages and emails, timestand and dated to prove that you

1144
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 4: weren't the.

1145
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: One and the wrong for what?

1146
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 5: For?

1147
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: Freaking who?

1148
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 5: Like?

1149
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1150
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: Why for me? That's part of the the ability to

1151
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: be a more boundaried and yet also more gentle adult

1152
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: is to say, you know what, that's where my boundary is.

1153
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 4: And I'm also going to wish you well because otherwise

1154
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 4: otherwise the lack of quote forgiving poisons me, not you.

1155
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see, I think I grew up with forgiveness

1156
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 5: was I I want to help you feel better about

1157
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 5: what you did, whereas now forgiveness is yeah, I'm dropping

1158
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: the rock I've been caring. I'm going to let go

1159
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 5: of the resentment because it's not serving me anymore, you know,

1160
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 5: So it's no longer about helping you feel better because

1161
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 5: it used to be a performative act of service, where

1162
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 5: now it's just I don't want this to consume me

1163
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 5: all day, every day. So it's just like you're saying,

1164
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 5: it's forgiven and forget, you know, take it. Some play

1165
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 5: is healthy, but it's it's no longer going to take up,

1166
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 5: you know, bandwidth. Yeah, I will choose to not allow

1167
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: it to take up the bandwidth, not that it doesn't

1168
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 5: deserve too or doesn't want to.

1169
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. I think about I

1170
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: think about a character like Dan and how complex he

1171
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: is and how much we like even what you're saying,

1172
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: he's compelling, even though you want to punch him in

1173
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: the face, and there's always this sense of like God,

1174
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: I would love to see Dan Scott actually change his life,

1175
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: actually be redeemed, actually become a better person, but nobody

1176
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 3: would be willing. Nobody that in our showould be willing

1177
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: to actually offer him the forgiveness that that requires.

1178
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if I may, I think we have to

1179
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 4: be really really careful about Like, frankly, I don't know

1180
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 4: how else to put it, because I think there's a

1181
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: lot of you know, this language that we hear that

1182
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: comes from religious tradition, Like we have to be really

1183
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: careful that we're not trying to play God that we're

1184
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: not trying to prove how pure we are by our

1185
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 4: ability to forgive anyone absolute Like yeah, and I think

1186
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: that idea that like no one would be willing to

1187
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: offer him true forgiveness, Like I don't know that that's

1188
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: necessarily another human's job. At the end of the day,

1189
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 4: I think, No, I agree, And I just think it's

1190
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 4: frankly really important for us to be willing to accept

1191
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 4: that other people's like boundaries and levels of tolerance for

1192
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: certain things might not be what ours are and to

1193
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 4: figure that out like person to person. Because one of

1194
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 4: the things I've learned, you know, thrown it back to

1195
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 4: Trevor excellent callback Rob, is like there are amazing things

1196
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: that our jobs have given to us, you know, like

1197
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm incredibly proud of my work ethic, I'm incredibly proud

1198
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: of how much I'll show up. But the way we

1199
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 4: were taught to like show up in the hours we

1200
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: were taught to work in the sleeplessness we were taught

1201
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 4: to endure, or like kind of gnarly to sit with

1202
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 4: a trained professional who's like, your threshold for suffering is

1203
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 4: outsized and too high, and you need to readjust and

1204
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 4: recalibrate because what you think of as neutral is bad,

1205
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 4: and what you think of as bad is abusive and

1206
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 4: what you and it's like, oh, so you know, yes,

1207
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: because it's a story and we all love stories and

1208
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 4: we love fairy tales and like we wouldn't be crazy

1209
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 4: actors in the circus if we didn't do I ultimately

1210
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 4: want to be like, wouldn't it be so cool? And

1211
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 4: then I'm like yeah, or maybe people just have like

1212
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: boundaries and don't want to suffer with this man who

1213
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 4: murdered his brother who was their uncle. And I don't know,

1214
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1215
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1216
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: I think we have a unique ability as humans to

1217
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: offer each other, like offer each other's radical wild space

1218
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: to become better people. And sometimes that happens by someone

1219
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 3: giving you an unreasonable amount of forgiveness. Yeah, And it

1220
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: is a fine line between just shutting off my motions

1221
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: and being like Nope, I'm just not going to allow

1222
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: that person in my life anymore, or being recognizing like,

1223
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: oh no, this is unhealthy for me. I'm not supposed

1224
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: to be the person who's offering this for you know,

1225
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: it's a case by case basis.

1226
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 4: I guess that's what I think it is because yeah,

1227
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 4: you know, like one of the privileges of my life

1228
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 4: has been sitting with inmates in like maximum security prisons,

1229
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 4: working with the anti Recitivism Coalition, and I have wept

1230
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 4: and been held by men who've done the most terrible

1231
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: things who are also weeping. Like I've seen like redemption

1232
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: and healing. Yeah, for people whose society has said like irredeemable,

1233
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 4: lock them up and throw away the key. I will

1234
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: call that one of the privileges of my life forever.

1235
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: I don't know that the that the family members of

1236
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 4: the people who they committed, you know, crimes against need

1237
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: to do that job. And I think that that is

1238
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 4: actually one of the like that has been such a

1239
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 4: teacher for me about the value of really being willing

1240
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 4: to create community care because we have our community, Like

1241
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for our little bizarre circus family that

1242
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: we built in Wilmington, And I think when you get

1243
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 4: to lean on your communities, it's so important. But I

1244
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 4: think sometimes we forget that community can come in all

1245
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 4: of these new and unknown places, and like, sometimes you

1246
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 4: need to build community with people you don't know at

1247
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 4: all to uplift these certain parts of society, to take

1248
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 4: off that vest to put down that rock, Like, I

1249
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 4: think it's part of why I'm like really passionate about

1250
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: the social framework and like social services honestly, because without them,

1251
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 4: things fall apart, and without them, some of these people

1252
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 4: do fall through the cracks. So it's like, I don't know,

1253
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 4: does Haley need to be the person who forgives Dan Scott?

1254
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 4: Maybe he needs to go to a men's group and

1255
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 4: get hish together talking to people like Rob about going

1256
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 4: to therapy.

1257
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, you know, And you know,

1258
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 5: I got to say, as a viewer, what I love

1259
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 5: about it is that, first of all, I always want

1260
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 5: to root for a comeback story, and Dan Scott has

1261
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 5: the potential for the greatest comeback story. But I also

1262
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 5: love that he already has developed a platform. We're seeing

1263
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 5: he already has people buying his potential bullshit, and because

1264
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 5: he has, we think, we believe he has the potential

1265
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 5: for greatness, but we've also seen his capacity for evil.

1266
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 5: It makes it this really uncomfortable tightrope of like all right,

1267
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 5: you charlatan, Yeah, we've already got some people fooled. We're

1268
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 5: here for the ride, but our guard is super duper up.

1269
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 4: It's like Shakespearean level drama. It's so yummy. Yes, But also,

1270
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: now that we're talking about this joy, you've really made

1271
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 4: me realize the fact that we never had to see

1272
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: Dan and like group therapy with other inmates, I'm furious.

1273
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 4: What a wasted opportunity.

1274
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: That's when he would have learned how to manipulate the

1275
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: whole system.

1276
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: It would have been so cool, though, because they could

1277
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: have made you think he was being redeemed and then

1278
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 4: you'd be like, oh, look he took advantage of that guy,

1279
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: and it would fuel exactly what Rob's talking about. It's

1280
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 4: like war the Roses level. It's so good.

1281
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: It's so good, and.

1282
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 4: The generational opportunity for it too, Like if we think

1283
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: about Shakespeare, we have loved you said it, We have

1284
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: loved Nathan Scott's comeback. We have rooted for the comeback.

1285
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 4: Don't call it a comeback, hey, c guess what it

1286
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 4: is a comeback, like we are here for it. And

1287
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 4: so I think that adds to like will we or

1288
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 4: won't we? With Dan Scott and it's it's yummy.

1289
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 3: I love it.

1290
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 5: It's like that great office meme of Michael Scott where

1291
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 5: it's I'm ready to be hurt again in the day pool.

1292
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 5: That's how I feel Dan Scott, where it's like, well,

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Speaker 5: I'm on the ride and I am ready to be

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Speaker 5: hurt again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, Yeah, somebody just hand me the fork.

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Speaker 4: I'll stab it in my own eye.

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Speaker 3: I love talking about this stuff with you guys. Oh man,

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Speaker 3: Well it was a great episode. This will be fun

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Speaker 3: to do next week too. What do we have next?

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Speaker 4: Well, we have a listener question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Michelle says my questions for someone who has never

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Speaker 3: been to Wilmington before, describe the town in three words. Oh, humid,

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Speaker 3: that's my word. Everybody gets a word.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna say warm, but like, you know, temperature and

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Speaker 4: emotionally warm.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say cozy. That was going to be

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Speaker 5: my other word.

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Speaker 3: I was like warm, cozy, warm, cozy.

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Speaker 5: And I have to say having gone back with new eyes, Yeah, idyllic.

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Speaker 5: It's beautiful, it's small, it's quaint, it's picturesque. You know.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're into five words now, Rob, I'm a

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Speaker 3: rule breaker.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm the bad drama queen. I don't follow the rules. Guys.

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Speaker 5: That was seven words.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome, Nachelle. Let's spin a Wheel Kids, do it? Rob,

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Speaker 4: you read it? It's your very first wheel spin.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, most likely to win a dance contest. Well,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, get ahead of ourselves here,

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Speaker 5: but we get to see Clay do some dancing in

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Speaker 5: a future episode and it is not pretty. So I'm

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Speaker 5: going to go ahead and pull Clay's name out of

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Speaker 5: the running.

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Speaker 4: I was going to jump from a character and go

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Speaker 4: straight into a cast me and say, hands down, Lee Norris. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's very good.

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Speaker 3: Well mouth too, Yeah, honestly, you're not wrong. Mouth jumped

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Speaker 3: up on that on this Sparco classic and really save

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Speaker 3: the day.

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Speaker 4: It's true. Okay, it's Lee all around.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 5: Also in real life, it would be oh, by my blanket,

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Speaker 5: Jamie's name, Jackson Jackson, thank you? Remember when Jackson we

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Speaker 5: were doing that panel or something and Jackson had like

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Speaker 5: the Green Man costume. Yeah, he just went out and

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Speaker 5: danced for about seven minutes straight. We're like, how much

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Speaker 5: energy does this kid have? Law? He can cut a rug?

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Speaker 4: He really can. All right, next episode, Kids will be

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Speaker 4: back next week. Season seven, episode two, What are you

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Speaker 4: willing to lose? Okay, that feels very on point for

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Speaker 4: the end of our discussion here about forgiveness. Let's see

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Speaker 4: what's what's coming next. Maybe there'll be a part two

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Speaker 4: to that as well. Thanks guyse Hey.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

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Speaker 4: next time.

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