WEBVTT - Wrongfully Convicted

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Family. It's your girl to mek a d Valories and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your boy mighte son that general and this is

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<v Speaker 1>t M I T mek you and my Song's Information, Truth,

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<v Speaker 1>Motivation and Inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>Formerly known as street Politicians new name us uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the struggle will be in.

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<v Speaker 2>The struggle of my entire life. Never in my life

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<v Speaker 2>have I experienced this type of struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I decided that I will no longer pern my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>And what made you to come to that eclase?

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<v Speaker 2>And so all of the inside of my head hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been purned in I don't know ten years. But around

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<v Speaker 2>the edges and in the top part, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>they call the coverage for your I always put a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of texturizer, which is the same thing as

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<v Speaker 2>a perm but they just it sounds a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>bad to just make sure it lays down because when

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<v Speaker 2>you sweat, between you and I sweat and I sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't sweat when I work out, which is crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I sleep, I sweat. And you know, certain

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<v Speaker 2>things you do the summertime, different different activities it gets

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<v Speaker 2>and just wear and tear. It starts to get all

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<v Speaker 2>crazy and you gotta rush it. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do anything related to here. I can do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I could make one corn row. That's it. I not

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<v Speaker 2>know will yeah, I literally, I literally can only make

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<v Speaker 2>one corn roll.

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<v Speaker 1>I will never forget somebody that's always talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. When I say don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything, I see this ditty our friend she was

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me of the day, like, bruh, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>need per you need to learn how to do your edges.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all. Edge control I'm looking for. I use

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<v Speaker 2>my l It's a little green bottle I do and

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<v Speaker 2>it works a little bit better. But it might just

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<v Speaker 2>be me because I have like horse hair that my

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<v Speaker 2>edges I don't do well. Other people I see it

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<v Speaker 2>between is Diddy and Jennifer Williams and all these people.

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<v Speaker 2>They be slicking it down and they be all cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work for me like that, So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>good at doing any of that. So that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>need a little texturize it, because then it just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of leads down all the time. But now I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going natural and I did this. I made this

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<v Speaker 2>decision because I was riding in the car with Ben Crump.

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<v Speaker 2>You may or may not have been there. You may

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<v Speaker 2>not have, but I was riding the car with Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Crump one day and I was like, cause, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be sewing a company that has perm right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I was asking him, like, since you started sewing them,

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<v Speaker 2>and since this lawsuit is in progress, have they changed

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<v Speaker 2>the formula of the PERF Because obviously they know that

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<v Speaker 2>PE have definitely deference that the research is clear, like

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<v Speaker 2>there is a clear connection between the verb and people

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<v Speaker 2>who have cancer, different types of cancers. That has to

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<v Speaker 2>feel it, right, So I asked him have they changed

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<v Speaker 2>the formulan he was like, well, no, it's the same

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<v Speaker 2>formula because if they changed the formula, it's like admitting guilt, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So why would you do that in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>illegal bottle. Maybe some things have changed because as a

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<v Speaker 2>company goes on, they do little things, but in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of really really really making sure that it's not harmful

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<v Speaker 2>to people, no, it hasn't been done. And he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not putting that stuff in your hare, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was a sudden there, like, oh no, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I want to rule was it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he faba, we said this to me like

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<v Speaker 2>over a year ago, and you just come it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well what I did. I didn't just come to the

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<v Speaker 2>conclusion Oh okay, I'm just trying. Yeah. Well No, what

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<v Speaker 2>happened was all summer, I wore my hair basically in

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<v Speaker 2>braids to allow for are the purn to grow out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did that the whole sum Then I got

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<v Speaker 2>back into, you know, put in my hair. I like

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<v Speaker 2>my tresses every now within and I'm like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>see how you see how I like that? So and

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<v Speaker 2>then when I got back into wearing my hair, it

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<v Speaker 2>was really bad because I as soon as I take

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<v Speaker 2>my braids out, I immediately put a little texturizer, do

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<v Speaker 2>my weve and you know whatever. And I didn't. So

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to holiday time, beginning right before Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, bro, take it all out. Shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to Delasia, my hair braider, and Alicia, my hairstylist. They

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<v Speaker 2>figured it out. They made me look good. But then

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, Okay, now it's out, and I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go back to my other hairstyle. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do that without her. So in November Thanksgiving time,

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<v Speaker 2>I put the braids back in my hair and I

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<v Speaker 2>held on to the for as long as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't. I can't. So now I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta start the process, all right, And you just got

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<v Speaker 2>to so here Ryan, And it's bad. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, I was, I was, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The struggle is real. But they well, thank you. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that they say that it trains itself at the while,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, so all the sisters that's out there. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do a little bit more on this topic

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<v Speaker 2>because Cascade Productions, our production team is has been involved

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<v Speaker 2>with reporting and organizing it around the lawsuits and looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the victims of uh, you know, people who have actually.

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<v Speaker 1>So exactly what happened to.

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<v Speaker 2>For the most part, the cancer is something that has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with their reproductive system. However, there have been

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<v Speaker 2>other sides, like other cancers like you know, lift no

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<v Speaker 2>cancers and things like that, and it seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>connected to the creamy crap as they call it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just something we started. Well we're really young. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a tool that was given to people to help

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<v Speaker 2>deal with managing of course here kids, but this, that

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<v Speaker 2>and the third, and you know, it's just it's never

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<v Speaker 2>been good for us, and people are away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so much. I get crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We just look at our society. A lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that's good to us, it's not good fors and we

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<v Speaker 1>indulge in, over indulge in all those things. And then

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we get certain age, it really starts

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<v Speaker 1>to affect you. Yeah right, it's literally chilling you. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the stool, sugar and all of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>shall we love to death, and you know we'll snack

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<v Speaker 1>your kid the first thing when we get a snack,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to snap. And those things are literally

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<v Speaker 1>killing you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love sh no, I love like sugar. Doesn't love sugar, No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's different for me. I love sugar so bad. And

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<v Speaker 2>they were telling me that my granddaughter found a little back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's only sixteen months old. She don't know nothing

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<v Speaker 2>about it. A lot of things. But do you think

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<v Speaker 2>kids don't know she found a little some kinic way

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<v Speaker 2>you got candy and this, and she was just quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>They looked and she was tearing that kiddy up, eating

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<v Speaker 2>aper and everything. It's just sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>And good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar is it thing? Because like a little cake he

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, a little sweetish fish or

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm I'm like addicted to those things. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have to stop, like in my process. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing all out working out and trying to change

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<v Speaker 1>my diet and eat better because.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, mean spring chicken, you know you a little

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<v Speaker 2>non you little whatever. Yeah, I'm a little more spring

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<v Speaker 2>than you, just so you know, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What but you push you getting it, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. So the reality is you have to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of yourself. You know what, my check up and

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<v Speaker 1>very healthy. But these are things you need to do

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<v Speaker 1>in antiox evants and blutele berries and find We're all

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<v Speaker 1>the little things that you bett to take care of.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, very guys, you're conscious, intentional.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta fit. I had a physical I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>some months ago, and what they they found immediately was

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<v Speaker 2>related to sugar intake. It was like so clear it

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<v Speaker 2>was the sugar intake. And then also I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to use the bathroom while I'm outside, so I will

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<v Speaker 2>leave my house and look, I see folks, shake, look,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody the whole production team is like word, I will

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<v Speaker 2>leave my house at nine o'clock in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>do everything in my power not to use the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>either till I get back or till I find some

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<v Speaker 2>place that I really like. I'm like, let me run

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<v Speaker 2>in Boomingdale's real quick and try to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Floor where they have the stylists and stuff and use

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<v Speaker 2>that bathroom. Like this is a real problem because by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, people be nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's up with the girls bathroom, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do that term sisters at her. Yeah, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>been into men's bathroom. When I gotta go, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever bathroom is available. So that's that. And no,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do it. Yes, this is a it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>it's a double standing, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't drink nothing, and then of course you're

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<v Speaker 2>not getting your proper water intake. So oh, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>then make sure that shout out to our family, the Smiths,

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<v Speaker 2>Jade and Smith. I drink water all just water, all day,

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<v Speaker 2>all day, all day and that and now I have

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<v Speaker 2>to use the bathroom often, and it's and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>new mindset and no matter what, you gotta go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. Another thing in terms of me drinking my water,

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<v Speaker 2>kidneys like, there was some stuff that they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kidneys are very important, and I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>drink too much more. But I drink all day, all day,

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<v Speaker 1>either drink water or.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say because I don't drink that and

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<v Speaker 2>all day. But when it comes time for cocktails in

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<v Speaker 2>the EI asking.

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<v Speaker 1>This liquor all the time. But that's the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I try not to drink. The leather juice with digitian

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<v Speaker 1>like orae juice who ripped it? Sometimes they say a

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<v Speaker 1>factul juice.

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<v Speaker 2>The son I don't drink page the steep park nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>look like I'm drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I don't really drink a lot because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I was incarcerated, I used to drink juice all

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<v Speaker 1>the time that I had build up like acid like

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<v Speaker 1>acid reflux, you know, over saying from trading arbitrary scolled tons.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started I had like little kidney stones from.

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<v Speaker 2>Have refrigerating. I don't, I don't, I mean I drink

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<v Speaker 2>you what's your refrigerated's a drink I drink.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing, it's water and well it's some SOLDI and

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<v Speaker 1>things that I don't really drink, but I had it

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<v Speaker 1>from the super Bowl party and nobody drank. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was funny to mix this get wherever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why had people like real.

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<v Speaker 1>Dollar Tree. This is somebody. Let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm this is this is free promo the Dollar Trees.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you the nobody wants that.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to him telling you the Dollar Trade is the

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<v Speaker 1>best place to shot went there and I brought boxes

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff with about sixty dollars. And listen to any

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<v Speaker 1>other store I go through. You're digging your little brown

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<v Speaker 1>paper bag. This big here's one hundred dollars stuff. You

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Dollar Tree. They literally got boxes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is a dollar twenty five. It's the best.

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<v Speaker 2>What else is in your refrigerator?

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<v Speaker 1>So what else is in it? Fruits? Vegetables? I got

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<v Speaker 1>like cabbage, Okay, you know I'm trying to be healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>What watermelon? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>My refrigerator has sparkling water, sand cola GREENO. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>I like just water. My refrigerator is full of just water.

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<v Speaker 2>I still keep zero percent milk in my refrigerator. Almon,

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<v Speaker 2>you drink almond milk, okay, so I still keep zero

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<v Speaker 2>percent milk and my refrigerator. What else is in it?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot. My snack that I make for myself is cucumbers, tomatoes,

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<v Speaker 2>and what's the other one an onion's red onions. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I make, is a snack for when I get hungry,

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<v Speaker 2>or watermelon, different fruits. And I've been trying to use brags,

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<v Speaker 2>which is supposed to be really good in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>dressing Italian dressing or whatever from rags, but it has nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>A girlfriend of mine, Jamie, my best friend. She is

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<v Speaker 2>she studied to be a chef, so she knows a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about foods and different things and labels. Italian dressing

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<v Speaker 2>is highly coloric, highly coloric. Like it's like, actually not good.

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<v Speaker 2>So I cut it with the brags, so I'm doing better,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not all the way there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>It suppressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Checking labels. Labels are very important if you actually read something,

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<v Speaker 2>what you put in your body, what you're putting in

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, if you read the content, if you really

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<v Speaker 2>get to understand it, some things you might not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Because once I've read like some of the labels for

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<v Speaker 2>a few things, the sugar, the amoulae sugar that's insert.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like whoa, I'm actually and by the way they

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<v Speaker 2>tell you when you go to the doctor and in

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<v Speaker 2>other places you can look it up online exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>much sugar and you know certain things calories, cholesterol, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>how much is okay for each person and trust and

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<v Speaker 2>believe is like nothing. But most of the products that

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<v Speaker 2>we use have passed ten times that in it. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you read the labels, it will turn you off

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<v Speaker 2>from some of the products, some of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we actually consume. So anyway brings me to my thought

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, because reading, because reading is not fundamental

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<v Speaker 2>for some people. Tell he's starting not fundamental for some people.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so proud of myself that I've moved to

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<v Speaker 2>a space in my life now where I can post

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<v Speaker 2>something or get into a dialogue with people and they

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<v Speaker 2>can be crazy, screaming up, like just going crazy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's I'll really give me some good rests. Like after

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<v Speaker 2>I say what I have to say, I'm fine because

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<v Speaker 2>I realized we not gonna all agree, especially around this election.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, a few weeks ago, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>posts that I put up. I reposted something for Chris Brown,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was like several days of back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have really been able to see how much

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<v Speaker 2>people don't need. They don't, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They are willfully bignor with. But I really love believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't that mean that you like kind of intentionally well,

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<v Speaker 2>but some people are just don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they don't not agreeing. Because the thing is when

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<v Speaker 1>you like, when you are sit on the you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even want to read or get the nation that goes

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<v Speaker 1>against so you you willfully just ignore that. Right Because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, because a lot of people come to my

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<v Speaker 1>page and I do like, did you actually did you

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<v Speaker 1>actually do any you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have people that I believe there's somebody. I'm really serious

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<v Speaker 2>about this and I really mean it. I truly believe

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<v Speaker 2>that there is somebody that's paying people to troll. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely believe. Well, well I don't just I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>it as bad as you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's a definition not people just paying the trol.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they're doing things to.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop Well that's a different, you know, that's a different.

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<v Speaker 2>But because what happens is.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that the algorithm feeds just negativity, or they

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<v Speaker 1>like they try to feed it like most positive posts

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<v Speaker 1>are app were real posting. They don't push it like

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<v Speaker 1>they only try to push negativity.

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<v Speaker 2>What I will say, though, is when we look at

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<v Speaker 2>the demographics of my page and you black men are

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<v Speaker 2>your majority followers and black women are my majority, And

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<v Speaker 2>there's something to be said about the ways in which

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<v Speaker 2>black men respond to different information. It's very diverse for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different reasons, but it's something to be

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<v Speaker 2>said about how for the most part, and I listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I get torn up by black women all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>Black women, white women, green women, blue women, they get

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<v Speaker 2>in my ass. And some of the black men coming

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<v Speaker 2>they tear me up too. But on your page, for

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<v Speaker 2>the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Part, pause, I mean, Nason KM my.

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<v Speaker 2>Mama used to say, don't make me get in your ass,

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<v Speaker 2>and she definitely wasn't talking about no pause. And if

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<v Speaker 2>I would have said pause to us, she would have

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<v Speaker 2>got hit it a little bit more. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a whole other thing. But okay, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>they they criticize me, let's just to get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So they criticized me, and but on your page, the

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<v Speaker 2>criticism is it's like deep, it's deep. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they come, they go to your page and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if you put up a picture I mean

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<v Speaker 2>outside of you posting your children or something like that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>cool for the most part, it's cool. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>post good morning, they're like, oh what about this? And

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<v Speaker 2>why that? And you look like this and you did that?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is like very and I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>why it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of fake profiles. But it's also that

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<v Speaker 1>it's people who are they utilize us as just their

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<v Speaker 1>OI bought stings. So man, these people don't never go

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<v Speaker 1>outside and they don't have no real interaction. So to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say negative things and get any response

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody, it's okay for them because they actually live troll.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a real thing. So a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>people they don't have like real social lives, right, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't exist outside of the internet. Ya, I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda steals sign on my page and she can't get

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<v Speaker 1>my DMS. It was like I've never anything, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gone through a lot. She said, this page is

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<v Speaker 1>the most dramatic should I've ever seen people even go

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I'm not your page because it makes you

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<v Speaker 1>want to my family be like, yo, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>fight people on your page. I'm like, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that serious. So it's it's funny to me because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I engage because any point that I have,

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<v Speaker 1>I can stand on whatever I say, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mind engage with somebody that has a different perspective than me.

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<v Speaker 1>The new Freakmack is about to come out and we

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<v Speaker 1>are t m il tm.

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<v Speaker 2>I now that's for real.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's a lot of parents. Listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>was at a couple of free I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the footage, but I know it's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of preemicks, and I know it's a lot of parents

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<v Speaker 1>of a couple of Freeings. And I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them don't want they to see them in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of them free Nick movies and them those scenes

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<v Speaker 1>and niggas a lot going on of them scenes. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>if you was outside during Freaknant and you was driving

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<v Speaker 1>by them cars in them streets, you've seen some.

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<v Speaker 2>Things that you or you did some things.

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<v Speaker 1>You either did some things or scene or both some

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<v Speaker 1>things in them Freaknick. So it's that team line, Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>do you like how what type of response you think

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<v Speaker 1>did that movie?

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<v Speaker 2>I think people are more concerned about their jobs and

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<v Speaker 2>their husbands in there. I don't think I think the

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<v Speaker 2>children piece. Yes, that's important to them and they but

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<v Speaker 2>you could talk to your kids and your kids I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe, Oh my god, like depending on the type

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<v Speaker 2>of kids you met and you was outside, depending all

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<v Speaker 2>what type of kids we ask. But the job and

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<v Speaker 2>when people build themselves up to be this like perfect person,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why you should never do that. I say all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I'm imperfect as a mug, But people do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They start, you know, they were walking away around they

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<v Speaker 2>are this sorority and that organization and the president of

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<v Speaker 2>this and whatever, and they have such a squeaky clean

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<v Speaker 2>image and don't want to tell people the truth about

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<v Speaker 2>who they really are.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, that's how it shows that I'm more

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<v Speaker 2>of a spring chicken and I was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the Thank God.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it might be a little TMI, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna have to deal with this because the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would just drive by the middle of the street and

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<v Speaker 1>see if nobody call it, they camera phone and all

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<v Speaker 1>that because people would see somebody with one channel over there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll never see that person again. That's just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be its own personal I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't none of that, so it's captured it. And

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<v Speaker 1>now the internet is here, and now it was a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to me, make sure you comment and tell us

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<v Speaker 2>do you think it's TMI should the movie should come?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think community based to your husband now, to

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<v Speaker 1>know that you was outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of the freakment situation was about music.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have some I do have something, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>our new music sect that I will be highlighted. You

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of artists who have dope music. Either

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<v Speaker 1>they're unknown artists or some known artists, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>the songs have so much substance and are telling so

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<v Speaker 1>much of a story that they don't really get the

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<v Speaker 1>highlight that they need. So this new music segment we

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<v Speaker 1>have is called our real music spotlight and today's artists

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<v Speaker 1>is an artist by the name of Yellow Pain, and

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the song is called My Vote Don't

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<v Speaker 1>Cap And in this song, he brilliantly breaks down the

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<v Speaker 1>branches of government. Right. He talks about how since we

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<v Speaker 1>are in voting vote relationsies in me, and he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how certain votes he doesn't believe are more important

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<v Speaker 1>than others. He explains to you how you think this

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<v Speaker 1>branch of government does this, that they actually don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he tells you the power of the president where

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<v Speaker 1>he actually can't do and he tells you the local

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<v Speaker 1>people that you should be voting on. Embrace it down,

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<v Speaker 1>so Willianly and I think people need to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this because there's so much misinformation about and that person.

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<v Speaker 1>They do this, and I don't know why we vote

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<v Speaker 1>with it. You need to understand what you're voting for

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<v Speaker 1>and who you're voting for and what they actually can do.

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<v Speaker 1>So Yellow Pain, I just want to shout you out.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure that you go listen to the song. The

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<v Speaker 1>videos on YouTube. It is called My Boat Don't Count.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a dope Yellow Pain. Yellow Pain does that other music.

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<v Speaker 1>He does have other music, but this one is big song.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this track now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people should go look him up. He's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a dope artists. He has a lot of substance, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what I want to do. This whole segment

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<v Speaker 1>about it's artists with substance artists who have songs for

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<v Speaker 1>substect because there's a lot of artists who they only

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<v Speaker 1>promote the ignorant songs and they have two or three

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<v Speaker 1>really dope song to have substance that if you actually

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<v Speaker 1>listen to, you could learn something that actually tells you

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<v Speaker 1>the story that actually makes you actually connect to ourist's

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<v Speaker 1>always and this.

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<v Speaker 2>Segment is called real Real Music, Spotless.

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<v Speaker 1>Spot We've then the spotlight real music in the real music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yellow Pain, Yellow Pain, mop Buck, the whole down hat

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<v Speaker 2>other business. We have a straw very very very important

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<v Speaker 2>interview today. As you know, all of you who are

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<v Speaker 2>out there will be following us on social media. We

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<v Speaker 2>are supporting uh the Justice for Pierre Russian campaign. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to bring all the information possible to you

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<v Speaker 2>about Pierre Russian. This man was wrongfully convicted. He's serving

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<v Speaker 2>a sentence that is unfair and injust and we want

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<v Speaker 2>the system to work.

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<v Speaker 3>In his favor.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to trial years, yeah, something like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we want a new trial, and we want evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>be re exism in all of those things. And coming

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<v Speaker 2>up right now is one of a major advocate for

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<v Speaker 2>him and other wrongfully convicted individuals. It is Jason Flaum.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be talking about what is happening with Pierre

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I think it was such such such a

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<v Speaker 2>dope interview. Let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna go to this previously recorded interview with

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Jason Flock. Take a look.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are being joined today by a good friend

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 2>of ours that we have begun to work with, or

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I have been working with for a while and through

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 2>our initiative with Team Rock, which is Rock Nations Baby,

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>It's philanthropy armed Desiree Perez bought a lot of us together.

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, when Jay did the deal with the NFL,

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>it caused a lot of people to have concerns. I

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>was one of those individuals. You would number two of

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>those individuals. But they also made a commitment that a

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>part of their efforts would be to bring a very

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 2>diverse group of people together so that we could meet

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>around a lot of issues and support one another. And

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I think the UJC, the United Justice Coalition, has done

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that being supportive, showing up for one another. And so

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Jason Fohm is someone that I met through Did we

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 2>meet before that, Jameson? Probably not, I don't know. Maybe

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>we did. Maybe we did, but I know exactly. But

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I do know for sure that through our work at UJC,

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>we met Jason and have really begin to understand so

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 2>much about what you do every day. Now you start

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<v Speaker 2>off at least for my understanding, and not that that

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 2>begins your life, but a lot of people know you

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 2>as having been the CEO of major record labels.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were in in the industry as a trailblazer

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and I was mentioning to you off camera. We were

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 2>talking about lack of diversity in leadership in the industry

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and how it impacts artists and their ability to have

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>balance through their voice and what have you. And so

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>then you just happen to be here today. And I

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 2>think one of the things that makes you very different

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>is the work that you do, the anti racism work

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 2>you do every day.

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what we know you for.

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, That's what that's I hope that's what I

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 3>will be known for. It's funny I meet people now,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 3>some people just come out through and even a waiter

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:42.719
<v Speaker 3>at a restaurants you out there. You're the criminal justice guy. Yeah,

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 3>since I saw you and Joe Rogan, I watched that episode,

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 3>so a wee times and I listen to your podcast

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Wrong for Conviction. It got me through the pandemic of

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 3>the work in the warehouse. And so you know, I

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 3>meet people these days who don't know that I've been

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 3>in the music business, and that's okay with me, you

0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, Like, that's what I do for

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 3>a living. I've been very, very lucky in my career.

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 3>But you know the work that I've been doing now

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 3>since nineteen ninety three, helping to reform my system and

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 3>get as many people out of prison as I possibly

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 3>can and prevent as many from going in as I

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 3>possibly can.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 2>That's that's your legacy.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 3>That's what's keeping meaning. It gives me to my dates.

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I get up thinking about it, I go to sleep

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 3>thinking about it, and I think about it in between.

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 3>And luckily, I'm in a position where I'm able to

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 3>have an impact. And so that's what I do, and

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm going to continue to do until my

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 3>last breath.

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>And speaking of sorry, I just wanted to make sure

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned you know that speaking of impact, you are

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the founding board members of the Innocence Project,

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>in which my son will speak to how much he's

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>been working with members of the organization just looking at

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>cases around this country, trying to get people free. And

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>so we appreciate you for that. And now hosts seeing

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>your podcast Wrongful Convictions, as you said, listen, you got

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to swag on today, we want to get no.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I just want to know how long have you been

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>doing the podcast?

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 3>So started in twenty sixteen, so this is our eighth year.

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Word over seventy million down loads. Now we've gotten you know,

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 3>quite We've helped to free quite a number of roughly

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 3>convicted people, including Robbie Long, who was just at the

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 3>news the other day. Wow, youge settled in North Carolina.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>I spoke to him, so happy for him, forty four

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 3>years wrongfully convicted. He should have gotten you can serve

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 3>it by a lot of people don't. And so yeah,

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 3>So each week we tell stories with the person who

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 3>lived it. Sometimes I interview people on death row, people

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 3>that are still in prison, serving lights, people who've been

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 3>in for decades. Other Times I interview people who have

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 3>been through that unreal ordeal and come out the other

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 3>side as are free, because I think those stories are

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>important to tell as well.

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>So what was the transition like what would golf from

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the CEO to doing innocence and wallful condition work, Like

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how that happens. Like what made

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you say, you know what, I don't want to do this.

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>This is more of what I want to do with

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the process.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, when I started, I was far from becoming a CEO.

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>I was still just thought of a mid level A

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and R executive. But I saw a story in the

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 3>newspaper that blew my mind. And it was the story

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 3>of a kid who was serving fifteen years to life

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 3>on non violent first defense cocaine possession charge in a

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 3>maximum security prison in New York State. And I was

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 3>cocaine possession and I was like, this cannot possibly be right.

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, I had my own issues with substance

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 3>abuse as a kid, and I knew that if not

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 3>for the color of my skin and the zip code

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I was born in or was raised in, I would

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 3>have been at one hundred percent. So I was like,

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 3>that could have been me. I ended up in rehab

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>because that's where they said kids like me, you know,

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>white kids that came from that area at that time.

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So I just I freaked out. I decided I had

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>to do something about this, and so I didn't know

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 3>anything about what I was doing. But I managed to

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 3>get an attorney to take the case front bono. I

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 3>knew this guy because he represented two Urt Side Side

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Stole Temple Piles. This kid wrote, they're getting arrested like

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 3>weekly back then, so that's a slight exaggeration. But I

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 3>got him to take the case pro bono. He said

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 3>it was hopeless. This kid happened to be the same

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 3>age as I was, at thirty two years old, and

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 3>he had been in for eight years already and was

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 3>serving the fifteenth life like I said, mandatory fifteen. And

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 3>somehow or other, we ended up in a court room

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 3>six months later in Malone, New York, up by the

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Canadian border, and bring this kid in shackles. I never

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 3>forget that his legs were changing. I was like, is

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 3>this guy like a serial killer? Like he got a

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 3>non violent first of festal papers. I stretched, I's just

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 3>not get it twisted, and so I was like, this

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>seems a little extreme. But the arguments went back and forth.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know what was going on because I

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't understand it any day about these issues back then,

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 3>like most people don't until it affects them and what

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 3>touches they're failing. And the judge with old white haired guy,

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 3>this guy's never but he banged the gavel down and

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 3>said the motion is granted and set the kid off.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 3>I was like, wow, I guess I have a superpower,

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like I mean, if I could do that,

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to do that. I'm gonna do a

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 3>lot of that. And so I learned very soon after that,

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 3>for if I read roland Stone magazine about organization that

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>recently started called Families Against Mandatory Benoance. His case was

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 3>a manatory medal case. I joined their board, so they

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 3>gat the first board remember there, And then soon after

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 3>that I saw some of the TV about it in

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 3>this this project case. It was a branded organization back then,

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>but they've gotten this guy off a death row who

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 3>was scheduled to be executed, and they found the DNA

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 3>and Barry Shek and Peter Nukes, all the founders and

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 3>they went and got this guy not only not to

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 3>be executed, but they got it free. And I was like,

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 3>that's the craziest.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Shit I've iver seen.

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't even think about the idea until then

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 3>that we execute innocent people. Well, I mean, I don't

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 3>think we should execute anybody, but that's beside the point

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 3>innocent people. I was like, so, I just want I

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>just marched down in this as Project offices and said,

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm your guy, I don't know what you need to

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 3>be done, but I'm doing it. I'm gonna do whatever

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>you asked me to do. And then so and so

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 3>I joined forces with them back in the mid nineties,

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's what you know. That's the origin story right there.

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>How many people would you say at this point, since

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.479
<v Speaker 2>you're involvement in the Innocence Project, that you want cases

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>that you just worked on because we know that the

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 2>end result is not always what we want. But you

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>still have worked on cases and given people hope and

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>light and given their their stories light. So how many

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>cases would you say at this point I worked with

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a person.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've lost cat all the time ago. It's hundreds,

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>but I have no idea.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>How many Do you know how many people have actually

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>been freed as a result.

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Of your work?

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I mean it's direct and indirect. If you

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 3>could have had the experience last year of having dinner

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>with a number of people and one guy DeMarco Carpent

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 3>dirt and uh, you know, halfway through dinner, I says, no,

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 3>you got me at a prison. I was like, oh, yeah, forgot.

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like and that's okay. I mean, like, I didn't

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 3>mean that to be offensive. It's just that you do,

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>you know work, I have just forget some of these

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 3>That's that makes me feel, that makes me sleep while

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>at night. And he's a fantastic human being. The Marco too,

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>He's really been through it Oklahoma, and you know, over

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 3>twenty years, awfully convicted, really targeted by the police there

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 3>in ways that there goes beyond the typical a biction case,

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 3>if there is such a thing. So yeah, so I've

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 3>lost track a long time ago. And I've also worked

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 3>on the issues to try to three people on a

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 3>wholesale level, working with organizations like the Whole Yeah, and

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 3>so indirect involvement in things like the Obama Clemency's, but

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 3>also in you know, providing funding for organizations like civil

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 3>rights cores you know, who have read hundreds of thousands

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 3>of people are prevented that many people from going to

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 3>jail in the first place by changing the laws right,

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 3>by preventing people from going to jail just because they're

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 3>arrested in two portabate bail right, which is on constitutions

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Violay fourteen amendments, So you know the you know those.

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Of course, the macro changes are more important than micros

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>are more meaningful, right, And the individuals when I'm able

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 3>to to help somebody in a hopeless place, trapped, just

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 3>one of two million people at President of America trying

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>to get their voice heard that. You know, that feels

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 3>better because you know the other one is a number.

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know any of those, but I'm glad

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 3>that they're they're there with their families where they belong,

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 3>and not any one of.

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>These system when you're doing network.

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, before we waiting for that, I

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 3>got to give you so far because I was reading

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 3>this one of the great books the other day and

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Inconvenient Cop Edward Raymond. Everybody should read this book.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>It is such a good book.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Everybody, get somebody to read it for you. I don't care.

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Get this book. And inconvenient Cop. I haven't Raymond. I

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 3>met him at the j C again and uh, and

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 3>there's your name with big stars around it, I mean,

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 3>coming up just you know, at the right time, in

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 3>the right place, but with you know, coming from a

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 3>place of just conviction and courage that you know I

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 3>can only you know, I can always say, I mean

0:35:58.239 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 3>very hard.

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I appreciate that you know. Edwin was a

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>breath of fresh air. And it wasn't just him. I

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 2>mean it was Edwin and the other officers, including one

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>woman who really suffered and continues to suffer, who you know,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>came to us and said they needed help. And like

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 2>you said, I feel like, you know, we got involved.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Edwin now has, he's run for office, he is, he's

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>his book, he's now an author, he's doing so many

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 2>incredible things. When I look at him, I don't necessarily

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 2>see my role, although I know that I did play

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 2>a role in helping him to get his voice out there.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>But what I do feel is we disrupted something that

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 2>was happening within the system that people didn't really want

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. So and sometimes that's all you need

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>is a brave soul liking Edwin to come forward. That

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 2>helps to make your case that we've already been.

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, because a lot of times when you do this work,

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, it gets a little disheartening, Like you don't.

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't see people like Ringmond like you know that

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>come from the inside and able to help you push

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the work that you're doing. So when you get somebody

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>like that gives you another first breath of eight, like Okay,

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:20.879
<v Speaker 1>now we've got some people, and that he's bringing more people,

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>so you know, shut up to ring and shut up.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 1>So he's today and you have this case that I've

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>been seeing you talk about.

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like crazy over this case.

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>And when you get when you hear what's going on

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>with this case, you deserve it, actually crazy.

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 4>So like give us like a synopsis of what's going

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 4>on this Yeah, so thanks for bringing us back to

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 4>back because that's really the reason why we're here.

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 3>This is the case of a guy named Pierre Rushing

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 3>who was in prison in California. He's been in uh

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 3>for about thirteen years, and it's an Oakland case. And

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, I deal with wildly convicted people all day,

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 3>every day, and my phone doesn't stop ringing. We covered

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 3>them on the podcast. I advocate for them in governor's offices,

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 3>anywhere I can get attention, speak with lawyers and yays

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 3>pressed immediate. But here's case stuck out to me, and

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 3>so much so that when I was offered. There's a

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 3>law firm called Greenberg Trowering and a general a lawyer

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 3>there that Jordan Ratzinger, had heard my podcast and reached

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 3>out and said he wanted to get the firm involve

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 3>pro bono in a case. That's one of the biggest,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>best law firms in the country. So I went for

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.959
<v Speaker 3>a hike, we went for lunch, whatever, and we said

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 3>that I gave it fives that I thought, really, you know,

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 3>really deserved. You know, they even stuck out above some

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 3>of the others, you know, and that's a crazy standard

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 3>because some of these brought makes a case of absolutely

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 3>mind shit there. You cannot believe the people are in prison.

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 3>But Pierre stuck out and so so yeah, I'm sure

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot of your your listeners probably have a loved one,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe they are themselves because it's a scourge out there.

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 3>But so so Pierre's case, we decided that was one

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 3>that we could really make a difference. He was a

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 3>promising young man growing up. He had a career, a

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 3>urgent career in hip hop music. So I guess I

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 3>connected on that level as well because he you know,

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 3>it seemed like he might have been on the verge

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 3>and he was wrawfully arrested for a murder. It was crazy.

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's must have been the very last iPod murder.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 3>But somebody was murdered over an iPod. You imagine that.

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, Google it.

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 3>And these four guys had rolled up, someone had gotten out,

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 3>thought somebody that's the on their iPod. Maybe they did

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 3>out't know, jumped out of the car and there was

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 3>a confrontation and somebody was shot and killed. Well, the

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 3>witness who came forward was an admitted drug addict. He

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 3>admitted that he was using crack at least six times

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 3>a day, among other drugs, and was He gave some

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 3>description of a guy and a certain colored hat, a

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 3>certain colored car. Here happened to have a car of

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>that color, maybe on the hat whatever. It was like

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 3>some ridiculous circumstancial stuff. And when the police first interviewed him,

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 3>they asked her, where were you at three forty five

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 3>on such and such day, three toteen or three forty five,

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 3>And he told him, but he thought they meant in

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 3>the daytime, but they meant in the night three five

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 3>am when he was actually at his grandmother's house with

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 3>his girlfriend, and his grandfriend is now a government official.

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Like she's a serious person, right, not that anybody you know,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 3>that shouldn't even necessarily matter. But she's not. She was

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 3>not abusing cracks six times a day, right, She's a

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 3>credible persons always say. And so he gave the wrong information.

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 3>He said he was celebrating his birthday or whatever it was,

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 3>and that turned out not to be true. So then

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, all it was was And first

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 3>of all, that's always crazy to me because when that,

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 3>oftentimes the police will go to you and say, myself,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 3>where were you on uh you know, uh October, you know, third,

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>And you'll be like, it's January. I don't remember where

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 3>I was yesterday at this time, right, I mean, did

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I get Chinese? I don't remember what I was doing?

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 3>But did they expect you to know this? And and

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, for many of us from any of these cases,

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 3>was before the days when we had a calendar on

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 3>our phones. Although you might never remember him, everybody has

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 3>to write everything down. So that was how this thing

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 3>started going in the wrong direction first place. But he

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 3>did have an alibi, and there was no physical evidence

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 3>connecting the case in any way. The car was taken

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 3>in by the police. They actually found the car and

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 3>they tested the front seat for biological evidence. There was

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 3>no evidence of Pierre whatever in that car or that

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 3>he knew the victim, and they never tested the backseat

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 3>to see if any biological evidence. You know, we're always shedding,

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, touchings to shedding DNA, you know, all the time.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Air could be there. Now that these are perfect sciences,

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 3>but they would have given an indication, but they and

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 3>we're now trying to get those things tested to further prove.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Now this witness is recarred, by the way, and also

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 3>important that the shooter was identified as a guy named C.

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Street name C. Now, Pierre's name is Pierre Rushing. He

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 3>don't even have a C in there anywhere, and he's

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 3>never been known as and now it seems pretty clear

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 3>who C actually is. And so this case at this

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 3>point kind of comes with instructions where if fake chose

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>to they could go and interview the witness, they could.

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Car and the judge would do that.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 3>It would have to compute let's right to get it oil.

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 3>So so you know, so the DA in in Pallabeda

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 3>County is a woman at panel of Price. She's you know,

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 3>she's I believe, a good woman. I think that she is,

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:51.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, a da who you know, read on these

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 3>type of issues of getting justice in these cases and

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 3>not just tough on crime and all the other nunsers

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 3>that we do all the time. So I think we

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>have reason to believe that she is someone who would

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, take case like this seriously, when you have

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 3>the type of attention brought to this case and where

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>you have a for La Greenberg Charch there's probably put

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 3>a million dollars, has disproven every aspect of the case

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 3>that the state made you think that it would. I

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 3>think you think that the jail doors would just fly open, okay,

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 3>because just one wrong, Yes, this one wrong. Let's said

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 3>this guy always been here for thirteen years with mister Rushing.

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 3>We're sorry, we made a mistake. There's a compensation move

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>all with your life. And by the way, that's an

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 3>IMPORTNISI compensation We talk about that online fast all the time,

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 3>is that most of the people that are exonerated never

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.800
<v Speaker 3>get any conversation, but we hear about the ones who do.

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, that's what that's what I would like to

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 3>see happen, and I believe it's a relatively straight over

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 3>process that the DA's office. That I get it, they're swamped.

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 3>They haven't gonna be sure. There's a lot of cases.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of rushings out there, right And I'm

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 3>not saying, because I'm advocating for him that he should

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 3>be that, you know, push everybody else out of the way.

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 3>But I do think that this case is is pretty

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 3>clear cut at this point, and that if they were

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 3>willing to just you know, have look at people in

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 3>their office, go and take the steps that we talked

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 3>about to do these interviews and testing that where's.

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 2>The car that it could be tested again.

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Evidence I don't know if they take the seats out

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 3>or what they do one way ornother.

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Available.

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>So it is the emotion that you put into the courts.

0:45:53.520 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 3>The the courts are a very poor remedy. Jordan Gratzinger,

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 3>the lawyer from Great Word Chauer, went and argued in

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 3>the appeals court, the problem is that the standards are

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 3>so virtually possible to me, because the appeals court effectively

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 3>has to decide that no other finder of fact could

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 3>have possibly ruled the way this judge or jury did,

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 3>and so that means that fighting against the silk.

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they basically they get to say, yeah, we did

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the best we can and we know we did.

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to do no checks and balances.

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 3>And that all goes back to the horrible you know

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 3>ETPA Act in the nineteen ninety six at the federal

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:46.479
<v Speaker 3>government pass where they made it virtually impossible for people

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 3>to appeal their sentences because they wanted finality right in

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.319
<v Speaker 3>this country, finalities out in the pedile legal system as

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 3>opposed to justice, and so they made it that's crazy.

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just when you when you just did, you

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 1>hate what he just did. Finality is more important than

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>just right, Like they just want to get it over with.

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>They don't care if they got it right or wrong.

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>They just want to say, Okay, we done, We're finished

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>with this. And that's crazy. Imagine your life being being

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>held to somebody's criteria that all they want to do

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:19.839
<v Speaker 1>is finalize. They don't want to get it right, they

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>don't want to look through that you did, we do

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>this everything. They just want to say we finished. It's crazy.

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to understand it. I mean, I think for

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 3>most of us and you know it's it's incumbent on

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 3>us to get good prosecutors elected in every city and

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 3>county that we can.

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>And also till politics matter, politics matter, voting matters.

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 3>You know people are already hearing that, but spit thinking

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 3>about this. In local elections especially, you know you can

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 3>your vote really matters DA races, not that.

0:47:56.080 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Many people vote, because you could be in Atlanta and

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a crime happened. Where is this other place you said,

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 2>these are the eight in Florida, not even be there.

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>So because the reason why I want to zero in

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>on this is because there are people who believe and

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I could. I'm telling you I have some older family

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 2>members that would say, if you stay away from problems,

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you stay away from, you know you won't get yourself

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>in any trouble. Those things won't happen to you if

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you stay away. But I don't know how much further

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>you could be from Florida where a crime takes place

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 2>than Atlanta and still somehow you find yourself in these situations.

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 2>But not enough people understand it until it happens to them,

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 2>which is what we don't want.

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 3>Listen, We've got a number of those cases. I've been

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 3>working on the case. So we got a temage and

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 3>Kensu in Michigan who was over four hundred miles away

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 3>when the murder took place, and Pece, you're on and

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 3>there's no question that that is true. And yet the

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 3>state came up with a theory that he went to

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 3>a local airfield. He was broke as a joke right,

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 3>living in the trailer, had no access to money of

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 3>any kind, that he went to a local airfield and

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 3>found a pilot just hanging out who was willing to

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 3>fly him round trip for for free, while not making

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 3>any record of the flight. Also would have had to

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 3>buy gas because the planes there are too small to

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 3>make that round trip. But there's no record of the flight,

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 3>there's no record of the pilot, there's no record of

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the gas. And yet the state presented this is evidence

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 3>because they knew, they knew he was in this other

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 3>city at about one thirty two o'clock in the morning,

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 3>and they knew he was back there at his karate

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 3>class at noon. And it's an eight and a half

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 3>hour drive with no traffic each way, and the murder

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 3>happened at night thirty in the morning. And yet he's

0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 3>been in prison for thirty six years and he's still

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 3>sitting here. He's a white guy. And then you have

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Pedro Renoso. I interviewed Paedro Renoso on my podcast. He

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 3>was convicted of a double murder in Philadelphia when he

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:01.320
<v Speaker 3>was in the Dominican Republic. He has the passport stamps

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and the travel documents and video, and he signed a

0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 3>landy that day and he attended his son's baptism. And

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 3>he has a dozen witnesses, including a priest and a

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>cop that was down there at the baptism. And you

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 3>sit there and go, how is this man in prison?

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about? Did he fly in and

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 3>out with nobody noticing, like from a foreign country on

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 3>the same day. Come on, now, this is like you know,

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.920
<v Speaker 3>but the thing is once once you get caught in

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 3>that quicksand.

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>You say this thing to get into an artist thing,

0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to get up exactly.

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:34.239
<v Speaker 3>And that's what worry for. That's why I listen. I think,

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm so glad to be here talking to

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 3>you about the pure Russian case and these other cases.

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 3>It's why I hope people will listen to the Raw

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 3>for Commission podcast, because when you do, there'll be a

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 3>case that you'll hear about that will touch you that

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 3>you may want to get involved in some way, or

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 3>you may hear something one of the legal experts that

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 3>we interview that might impact you or somebody you love.

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 3>And most importantly, I hope that people will listen because

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna someday get that jury duty. But if that

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 3>thing is, oh man, I'm so busy. I don't want

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 3>to go, but you gotta go.

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 1>When you go, I want people to take you experience,

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.319
<v Speaker 1>bring the understanding, but.

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Don't bring don't tell everybody the thing is you have.

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>To bring in reality into those court rooms. I sat

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>on a trial right with people that I knew, didn't

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 1>even understand what was going on from my career, just

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't even understand how you can actually be railroaded for something,

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>how you could actually be accused of something. And they

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't They didn't have any evidence or anything, but just

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody said you did something, and that was enough. That

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 1>was really just enough, and I understood, Like then, it's

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>nobody from where I come from that has seen this

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>happen to be like now that have more than they

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>asks certain questions that I would ask, like, well, if

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you say any of this, then why not this and

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>why did this like it? There's nobody there, so we

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have to be very very attentionib about Jerry dirty and

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the voting and voting in all of those things. But

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I know you got to go soon, but

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask, so, what what can we do

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 1>right now? What is in the process of what's going

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>on with p A. Rushing? You know, is there like

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 1>what did you do? We waiting for DA? The evidence

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that you have, has it been presentative? D A is

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the meetings of hell rasell call up like, well, this

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even make sense that this man is still sitting

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a jib.

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 3>No, it makes sense. The case is completely collapsed and

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 3>never went much vacation in the first place, but now

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 3>it's completely collators and Edison Man, I can say that unequidically,

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and I think what we can do is we can

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 3>make our voices heard on social media. You know, my

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Instagram is it's Jason Flow, It's I T S Jason

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 3>and the last as that fellow ambs Justice for Pierre

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.439
<v Speaker 3>Rushing for VR Rushing, you go to Justice for VR

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Rushing dot com. Thanks for shouting that out and read

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 3>the write letters to the DA does actually work? You

0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 3>know they talk out of the office. I know you

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 3>think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna have sure. We want to make sure that

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 1>we put the office and everything up so that people

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 1>can contact and and let them know that this is

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was crazy and they need to you know, no expeditiously.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:16.720
<v Speaker 1>A man's been sitting a jil.

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.919
<v Speaker 3>For thirteen years and I coached and I couraged people

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.359
<v Speaker 3>to be respectful. If you called your office irrespectful, remember

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 3>the person that's answering the phone didn't do anything, you

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. So you might be angry about

0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:28.919
<v Speaker 3>this case. I'm angry about it, but it doesn't help,

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, just be you know, be dignified, be respectful,

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 3>but make your voice heard because your voice matters. And

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 3>going back to the voting thing, and then I will

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 3>touch on Jory Judy one war time, but on the

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 3>voting thing. You know, these DA racists have real consequences.

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 3>You know. I was very proud to have been involved

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 3>with Jason Williams's rotten successful one in Louisiana where and

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:53.719
<v Speaker 3>he freed over three hundred people the first year it

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:55.800
<v Speaker 3>was in office. Now six of them were convicted. The

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 3>rest were convicted by nine unanimous jury. Because Weuisia used

0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 3>to have a nine unanimous jury for the prison for

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 3>the rest of your life unattended to you're.

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Used to have dysruption. Okay, the last two states, Oregon

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen anymore. So nowhere across the untry wondering spree.

0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Court said no, no, I can't do anymore. So, but

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 3>they didn't make a retroactive and when it was what

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court was this. This was only a few years ago,

0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.280
<v Speaker 3>so I don't remember exactly. I think it was before.

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>So they did some people who have been convicted of

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it's still up. You been to gate up.

0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:30.480
<v Speaker 3>So Jason went and said, hey, I'm going to look

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 3>at these cases like well you were suggesting with our

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 3>man who was a good man. And I believe it's

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 3>going to Alan started to really get his stride. I

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.400
<v Speaker 3>hope he's going to start, you know, more and more

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 3>people are going to be coming home.

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I love the album. Bragg is a friend. You know,

0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean I agree with him all the time.

0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I all love him as a friend. Erica, Oh, we

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>love Eric dar cl Clark in the Bronx picked up.

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:58.600
<v Speaker 3>The Manthla from Ken Thompson and I have a lot

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 3>of respect and I I can personally and I had

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 3>a lot of respect for the work that he's done.

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 3>I think he's you know, as good of a da

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 3>as we got in New York statey A Wall shout out.

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 2>To our dear sister Lushawan Thompson, who is the widow

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of Ken Thompson, and she is invested actually helping to

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:20.080
<v Speaker 2>work on, you know, continuing Ken's legacy. But I do

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:21.800
<v Speaker 2>want to say one thing is that I noticed, and

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that there are people listening who are like,

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 2>we just gonna wait and see how long it takes

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to Meka to ask this question. As we close, we

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.839
<v Speaker 2>talk every name. I heard you say it was a man.

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>What is happening with women who have been wrongfully convicted?

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Because one of the things we talk about all the

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 2>time is that there are so many women in the

0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 2>system that don't get visits. There's no one paying attention

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>to their cases.

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just not the.

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Focus women incarcerated women. And there are more people like

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 2>to peek of Sam and you know, of course the

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 2>work Jamila has done and others who are trying to

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 2>send a cross that are trying to bring attention two

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 2>women who are incarcerated. But what do you think you know?

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think this sometimes with DEI if that applies here,

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.920
<v Speaker 2>we have to have a very specific focus when you

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 2>know there's not been much of a focus at all.

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:15.799
<v Speaker 2>So just wondering if there are women that you all

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 2>are engaged with.

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely just a few that come to mind. Melissa Kayazinski

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 3>in Illinois, totally innocent daycare were for for a child

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:28.360
<v Speaker 3>at a fall and tragically died, but she had nothing

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 3>to do with it. She's one. I mean a number

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 3>of women who I'm working with who are out but

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.840
<v Speaker 3>still not exonerated, like Kierra Newsome, Tyra Patterson, and there

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.879
<v Speaker 3>are a number of other cases we don't have tied

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 3>to go through all of them that we're involved with.

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 3>A women who are in prison now. In fact, we

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 3>just released a podcast this week. I'll have case of

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:49.239
<v Speaker 3>a woman named Niki Zinger who was Ralphiger micked her

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:53.959
<v Speaker 3>mother and it's obvious case Patty pruittt in Missouri, who's

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.360
<v Speaker 3>seventy four years old, has been in for half of

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.280
<v Speaker 3>her life at this point, and it is absolutely innocent

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 3>of killing her eyes. So women, it's I'm so glad

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 3>you brought it up. My girlfriend Kalia Ali, who is

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the daughter of the great Man who would have been

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 3>eighty two years old today. You know, she's going down

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 3>to spend four nights in prison in Texas. She's going

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 3>to highlight the issues of women in prison, spend at

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 3>night in the maternity war, to night at hospice, and

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 3>night and death row and the knight of general populations

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 3>and when it comes to women, it's important. And we

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 3>can close on this or whatever you want. But in America,

0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 3>we have less than five percent of the world's population.

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 3>We have twenty five percent of the world's prison population.

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 3>But what people don't talk about is we have thirty

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 3>three percent of the world's female prison podcast so we

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 3>lock women.

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Up, say time fast growing.

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 3>As the rest of the world, as the rest of

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the Western world, eight times is high.

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Do we have women in America that are different?

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Right? Right?

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Of course not?

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 3>And I say it sounds so ridiculous to even say

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 3>an things question, But yeah, that has to change. And

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 3>these women, the majority of them are And we know

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>how that ripple effect pays blakes, right, we know what's

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 3>going to happen with those kids that gonna end up

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 3>at foster care and then the slope gets real slippery

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 3>from there, and you know, uh, it's it's it's a

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 3>national disgrace and it doesn't get talked about enough. So

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you bringing that up because well, as.

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:22.040
<v Speaker 2>We closed, I really want to ask a personal question.

0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 2>That is something that I struggle with, and that is

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the idea that we can't help everybody. You want to,

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 2>but you just can't. And I wonder how you deal

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:37.120
<v Speaker 2>with that? You know, at Until Freedom our organization, we

0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>hear all the time, how come you know why Breonna Taylor?

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:45.040
<v Speaker 2>In fact, just over the recent King Holiday, another mother

0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:49.160
<v Speaker 2>who is grieving the loss of her child, which was

0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>very different from Breonna Taylor's situation, but her grief turned

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 2>into or attacking other people?

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Why not?

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And We've dealt with that many times, families, communities, people

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 2>challenging us. And one of the things that I've had

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 2>to accept is that I can only do what I

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 2>can do. And it's like it's almost like a therapy

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 2>session that I have with myself regularly, and I wonder,

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 2>what do you do to deal with that anxiety of

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.240
<v Speaker 2>being unable to get to every case?

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 3>A box, you know, try to take the aggressions out

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 3>on the punching bag because it is frustrating. I mean,

0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.640
<v Speaker 3>we can't help everybody. I wish I could. If I

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 3>had a magic wand, I would turn the old country

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 3>outside down to shake about ninety percent of people in

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 3>prison out at least, and we would have no problem

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that we no infreasing crime, there will be no detriment

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 3>to public safety. But unfortunately I don't have that magic

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:47.200
<v Speaker 3>wand I think all we can do is shout out

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 3>from the rooftops. Tell three people today, tells three people

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.360
<v Speaker 3>to watch this show that you were listen to this podcast.

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.160
<v Speaker 3>You just hurt spread the work. That's all we can do.

0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:57.280
<v Speaker 3>We got to build an arvy out there. We need

0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 3>an army of Tamikas and my sons and Jason's to

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.680
<v Speaker 3>get out there. And that's how that's how we're gonna.

1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Have to make this change. Well, we want to thank

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you Jason for the work you do, you know, for

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:11.720
<v Speaker 1>gracing our podcast. Hopefully you know, Pierre be home so

1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you know we will have it on the show and

1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:17.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll be able to sit in here celebrate him being free.

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.800
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna make sure that we get that information that

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.080
<v Speaker 1>we can write respectfully. You know on request that the

1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 1>DA looks at this overwhelming evidence and and does the

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:32.600
<v Speaker 1>right thing by per man So thank you, Adam, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to Wrong for Convision. Make sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>tune into Wrong for Convisions podcasts and hear about all

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<v Speaker 1>of the cases and the people have been wrongfully convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna start out with Pierre. We're gonna move that

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<v Speaker 1>a line and get all of them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Thank you so much, Jason flaum I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy that very informantive interview with Jason Flauhm. It is

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<v Speaker 2>justice for per Russian all day, and we want you

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<v Speaker 2>to join us in our efforts at Until Freedom Out

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<v Speaker 2>Organization to ensure that we continue to lift that we

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<v Speaker 2>continue to lift per Russian's name and force the system

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<v Speaker 2>to work as it is supposed to in his faith.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because they quickly lock you up, but they

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<v Speaker 1>take them hello long to let you out when them

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<v Speaker 1>so that brings me to my I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And over the last few weeks, you know, the internet

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<v Speaker 1>has been going a lot crazy. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>I know have been having these real crazy conversations especially

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<v Speaker 1>men from the holiday as we call. And there's been

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<v Speaker 1>like the high about Beef said, what's disrespecting Who's ego?

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<v Speaker 1>And all these things, and the conversation always leads to

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<v Speaker 1>some level olds where the quote unquote is crashing out

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of people celebrating this crasher right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think as I got older and wiser, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I see things from a completely different less. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the school giving a presentation to these young kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were knife and tenth graders and were

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<v Speaker 1>I showed them my what kyp of Black Verder video.

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<v Speaker 1>We having a real deep discussion about it. If we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen that, go to right Intube channel and watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're having a discussion about it. And they was

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<v Speaker 1>like they loved the video or we're just having dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, and Angelo was there, Angelo Pinto,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the core founders, and he asks

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<v Speaker 1>the kids, what do you think are things that lead

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<v Speaker 1>to vibes? And kids stood up and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you know, you got to prove to

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<v Speaker 1>people that you ain't scared and you ain't soft, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so when something happens and you get mad with somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to show them that you're not soft. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to that. Then I was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the internet with you know, a couple of people that

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<v Speaker 1>I knew, we haven't interviews and they and they married.

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<v Speaker 1>That same conversation people that's in the late twenties and thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>and the common theme is that over this perceived ego

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<v Speaker 1>and it's perceived having to prove that you're not soft

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<v Speaker 1>or that you're not scared. That they were willing to

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<v Speaker 1>completely crash out like jeopardize everything, crash like jeopardize everything. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an dialogue about young Jeezi and Gucci Man,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Gucci Man I said something about his

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<v Speaker 1>friend who died and he was saying and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just with azy friend during their verses, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>the world was split was confusing to right. I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to JZ and JEZI was a grown man. They said, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna get into that because the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is people watching us up here. These kids are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how they saw conflict and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna feed into what you're trying to do, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>some people thought that that meant he was soft right,

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<v Speaker 1>because he wasn't willing to completely drow his whole life

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<v Speaker 1>away on a moment in one of the biggest stages

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in the law, and he had an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to teach and do something that was growing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>people that perceived that as soft. There was people that

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<v Speaker 1>were saying that they would throw everything away at that

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<v Speaker 1>omen to show somebody that they was tough and perceive

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<v Speaker 1>toughness and perceived ego you will. It's so many people

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. I did time in prison, that so many

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<v Speaker 1>people who had taken that same mentality that drew life.

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<v Speaker 1>If every one of them says if they could change,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't. It did. So my thing is, why do

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<v Speaker 1>we go down an alley that everybody who went down

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<v Speaker 1>that same alley is saying, it ain't nothing down there

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<v Speaker 1>but death, and we're willing to see fuck that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna show you that I'm tough. I'm gonna keep going

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<v Speaker 1>doing the same thing that they ain't never get nobody

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere before. But I'm gonna die tough and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lead my family. I'll do all this shit because I

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<v Speaker 1>need you to know that I'm not scared or my

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<v Speaker 1>ego is big, and I'm not scared of you, and

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm willing to crash out and that shit really,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've really been pondering that in my head for

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<v Speaker 1>the last few days because I hear these conversations, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also remember when I was young and I had

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<v Speaker 1>those conversation and then we really and then the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is it only in our culture, because I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>it in no other culture, Like we're willing to die

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<v Speaker 1>a shit that don't matter, Like we're willing to die

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<v Speaker 1>with shit that really don't matter about what somebody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>about me or what somebody says to me. How can

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<v Speaker 1>I give you law control over my life that if

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<v Speaker 1>you can say something that could force me to give

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<v Speaker 1>up our freedom in my life, then I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>in controlling me. So I really want you to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't get at this point in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I rationalize it as a young

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<v Speaker 1>kid that as a young kid, do you think as

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<v Speaker 1>a young kid, right, But it's this is something that's

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated in our culture that's detrimental. And I would give

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<v Speaker 1>one one example, and I'm leaving though it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>my page on our Esseagram page. It's they're having an

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<v Speaker 1>interview and it's a kid from Chicago talking about some

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<v Speaker 1>people that's died and the hit opping and the beef

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<v Speaker 1>that's supposedly big gang members. And the dude is like,

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<v Speaker 1>they need to be slide, they need to get some guns,

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<v Speaker 1>they need to go ride on people who did that.

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<v Speaker 1>And dudes like, why are you telling these kids that

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<v Speaker 1>dumb shit? The people are listening to you, and you

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<v Speaker 1>infest in that dumb shit into kids. That dude, shitn't

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<v Speaker 1>goes slide. He should be hold with his family. He

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<v Speaker 1>got kids, His baby mother is already dead half all

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<v Speaker 1>of his friends. Is there you telling him to go

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<v Speaker 1>through the same destructive shit that already got everybody else killed.

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<v Speaker 1>That shit ain't smart? Ain't ain't cool about that? That

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<v Speaker 1>if you tell them the slide, my grandmothers in them streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you're telling them the slide my kids is in

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<v Speaker 1>them streets. So when you they slide and they hit

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong person like they always do, you is possible

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<v Speaker 1>for that, you know? So it's like I want us

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<v Speaker 1>to really start thinking. And that's like I think the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional intelligence and the lack of thinking in our in

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<v Speaker 1>this culture right now is really leading to our ditricent

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and I just want us to really

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<v Speaker 1>just take the time, take two seconds before you allow

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<v Speaker 1>your emotions to supersedes your intelligence, before you throw your

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<v Speaker 1>full life into a fucking dumpster because somebody said something

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<v Speaker 1>to you that you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is a perfect way to end our shaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Fore today, I would say that in order to understand

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<v Speaker 2>where we are, you have to know where we've been,

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<v Speaker 2>and to know that we are people who were captured, enslaved,

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<v Speaker 2>and trafficked and then enslaved again on American soil where

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<v Speaker 2>our men did not have power to protect the community,

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<v Speaker 2>to protect their wives and their children. That mindset has

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways developed and sort of stem

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<v Speaker 2>from there. That you know, I'm never going to allow

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<v Speaker 2>anybody to demonize me or to do these things again.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just have to retrain the ways of which

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<v Speaker 2>we use it because we only really have the power

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<v Speaker 2>to inflict pain on our own and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot to do with this. So as we

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<v Speaker 2>are here teaching young people, we need to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we bring the history to them so they can learn.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we keep pushing You gotta go see the

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<v Speaker 2>movie Origin. It's probably on some streaming network. Find now,

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<v Speaker 2>go get it and watch it, because in that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a chance to learn how we have been demonized,

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<v Speaker 2>how so many communities have been demonized. But once you

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<v Speaker 2>understand it, then you will know more about why we

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<v Speaker 2>react to things we need.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree. I just want to say one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain things that I will to give my

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<v Speaker 1>life to protect my fam tech people out of love

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<v Speaker 1>to you know. Those are things that I believe are

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<v Speaker 1>audible things that you say. Okay, I'm willing to completely

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<v Speaker 1>crash up to make sure that the people I love

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<v Speaker 1>are say but not for my egos because you said something,

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<v Speaker 1>not because you said words for me to protect myself,

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<v Speaker 1>protect my family. Yeah, those are things that that as

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<v Speaker 1>then we're supposed to put our our you know selves

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<v Speaker 1>on the front line for. But over like jay Z said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't die with the block we and Mama lived that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't own. Don't die over the gang, the gang

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<v Speaker 1>beef that you was even born for when he got here, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not die over ship. That don't make sense, Like

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<v Speaker 1>because when you when you lose your life trying to

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<v Speaker 1>protect your ego, who's singing kid and people that use

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<v Speaker 1>a books and with that said, brings us to episode.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, it brings us to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>another episode information I'm not gonna always be right to me,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna always be wrong. Both always would be

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<v Speaker 1>always be all.

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<v Speaker 2>There, peace y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so yoni.

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