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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: You guys, you guys, we have not a Fader kid,

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Speaker 2: that's correctse I'm so.

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Speaker 3: Excited we're in my house.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different today because I had Michael,

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Speaker 1: so it's super super special.

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Speaker 2: It is special to be here. I'm thrilled.

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to have you because I love you.

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Speaker 2: Is that why? Yes? It is because I love you.

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Speaker 3: You know, It's true.

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Speaker 1: I took the kids to school this morning and I

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Speaker 1: had a good cry just thinking about you being here.

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Speaker 2: I could cry right now, I know, because.

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Speaker 1: I love you and you're amazing, and it's hard to

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Speaker 1: even I was trying to think about how I was

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Speaker 1: going to take us back to the beginning but also

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Speaker 1: encapsulate or some up or somehow explain to people like

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Speaker 1: what we have, which I mean on some level, the

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Speaker 1: joy of what we do is that they see what

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Speaker 1: we have. They may not know that that's what they're seeing,

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Speaker 1: but they see what we have. But because we're hearing,

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Speaker 1: we get to talk about it. We could actually talk

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Speaker 1: about what we have.

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Speaker 2: I think what they see is from the beginning episodes

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Speaker 2: to where we are now is how much I fell

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Speaker 2: in love with you as an actress that we just

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Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that the truth? Because there's like nothing

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Speaker 2: I know, it's really interesting and I would like to

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Speaker 2: start this conversation by asking you, yes, are you a Charlotte? Yes?

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Speaker 1: In so many ways, but I also think a part Carrie.

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Speaker 1: And since you know me so well, I wonder what

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Speaker 2: I think that you were. And Charlotte was in the

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Speaker 2: beginning for me, the furthest away from my reference points

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Speaker 2: of how do you write this character? I didn't know

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Speaker 2: that I am not a Charlotte. We am not a Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: I maybe the Charlotte now don't created, but you have

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Speaker 2: created that. In the beginning, I was like, I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know what she is underneath?

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Speaker 1: Right right? Well, I think everyone must have felt that,

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Speaker 1: because there's like, you know, first of all, she's not

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Speaker 1: in the book that much, right, and she's like an

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Speaker 1: amalgam of people. Apparently we found out over the years.

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Speaker 2: She may have been thinly sketched, right, but so deeply

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Speaker 2: important because she was holding tradition that we were destroying

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Speaker 2: every episode. Yes, so without Charlotte's rules and rigorous understanding

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Speaker 2: of what society wants women to be, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: idea of how thinly sketched she was, but how vital

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether I thought you were Charlotte, whether

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Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't know who you were.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I knew who I was.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, you know that is so honest true, because there's

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Speaker 3: I mean and inside as well.

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Speaker 1: Like when I'm looking back now, I'm just in like

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Speaker 3: I feel so worried.

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Speaker 1: For me when I walt like me personally like Charlotte, yes,

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Speaker 1: but I know what happens to her, But like me

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that I do know what you mean,

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Speaker 2: and I would watch you in those early scenes and

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Speaker 2: And I thought, what was so interesting the evolution of

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Speaker 1: I think it must be, because when I look at

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been an acting class forever, right like forever.

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Speaker 1: At that point, when you're an acting class, you know,

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Speaker 2: No, I actually would not say there's anything in your

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Speaker 2: But I think what changed was what was written. I

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Speaker 2: it was a defining color. If we would say that

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Speaker 3: So important, And I do forget that.

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Speaker 1: I do forget that part, right because like that part

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, especially before you came right the pilot,

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Speaker 1: Like I did tell the story about how I'm doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's why I'm there exactly.

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Speaker 1: So when Michael came, let's get to you for a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Murphy Brown obviously huge, who choose you'd want award?

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Speaker 2: And before that that was my first big TV thing.

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Speaker 1: Right, but before that stand up direct, I was a

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Speaker 2: It's hard especially because and this will relate to Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: You as Charlotte the first season. Stand up comedy is

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Speaker 2: incredibly aggressive if there's any part of yourself you're unsure

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Speaker 3: Were you wearing the flood shirts and you had the curls.

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Speaker 2: I had the curls and the shirts. But the reality

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Speaker 1: I have like super clear memories and then like none,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny because my experience of looking

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so I did stand up. And one of

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Speaker 2: pilot and fantastic. What do you think? And I said,

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Speaker 2: Because the idea is there need to be jokes, and

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Speaker 2: for me, the idea of making comedy about sex being

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Speaker 3: Really mortifying to say it, but I know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: So when we did the table read, I wrote that episode,

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Speaker 2: That's too soon. Well, if it stayed one more week,

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Speaker 2: It's really the comedy comes out of this character being said,

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Speaker 2: Charlotte who's hearing it, of course, and then it goes

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Speaker 2: Charlotte that said, what are we talking about? To Brown

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's amazing, amazing. And as far as

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Speaker 3: You know that is the joy definitely, Definitely they go together.

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Speaker 2: It just was the real It was the It was

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Speaker 3: It was fun. It was really fun.

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Speaker 2: And that's the journey.

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Speaker 1: of course very flattering, but it wasn't the right time

441
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: and you know, really, you know, and I were going

442
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: to do one, and then we did the show instead,

443
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: and so then again this new idea came and I

444
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: was at work with Michael and I was like, Michael,

445
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: I just want to run this thing by you. You know,

446
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: we're thinking about this, and we're thinking about talking about

447
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: the themes, the themes of the show, and I think

448
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm like two sentences in and Michael says, this is

449
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: how Michael works. He's like a pure creative. I'm two

450
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: sentences in I'm nervously telling him, thinking that he's not

451
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: going to prove and he says, I have a name,

452
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, what is it? You said?

453
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: Are you a Charlotte? And I was like, this is

454
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: the joy that you are? You know, He's just.

455
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: Firing on all cylinders at all times. I'm just talking

456
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: to them now. But wait, I want to said this

457
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: about Charlotte.

458
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: What I was going to say was part of me.

459
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: So like, if you think about Charlotte in the beginning,

460
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: even in her kind of unformed self, and I think

461
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: you know that. You know the weird thing about when

462
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: I was in the pilot and they tried to get

463
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: me to sign a different contract saying I was recurring, right,

464
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: do you understand that? Because I still don't.

465
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't there, right, Like, what.

466
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: The hell did anyone ever say that to you when

467
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: you came like we don't know what to do with her?

468
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: No?

469
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: Okay, because I think I think a we were over budget,

470
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: which you know is kind of our mo Our brand.

471
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: Is our brand, you guys, It's definitely our brand.

472
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: Thank god it works.

473
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: Out exactly, thank you everybody on the screen exactly.

474
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: You know.

475
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: So they give me this some line producer that I

476
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: never saw again comes to my trailer one day. You

477
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: know you've signed like the seven years of course contract.

478
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: She comes with this two page contract that says, you know,

479
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I Kristin Davis and playing Charlotte. She's a recurring character

480
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: for five thousand dollars an episode. And I was like,

481
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: you laugh. I was like, no, I'm not close enough

482
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: to the girls at that point to talk to them, right.

483
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Call my lawyer. I'm like,

484
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: what do I do?

485
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 2: What do I do?

486
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: And he says, don't sign it. Don't sign it. And

487
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, but they're going to come tomorrow and they're

488
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: going to ask because you know me in the room,

489
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: right And he's like, listen, just pretend that you forgot.

490
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like okay. So the rest of the pilot,

491
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: I have to do this every day.

492
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: They're like, did you bring the paperwork?

493
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh.

494
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm such a dopey actress, blonde like the rest of them.

495
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: Anyway, I never sign it, right, And then we go

496
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: off and we have that very.

497
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 2: You did the entire series pilot without signing that contract.

498
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: I'd signed the big fat seven years, but not the

499
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: recurring that would have made the first one null and

500
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: boy right because I wanted that Hell was that right?

501
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: That's my inner thing that now rough comes to live.

502
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: I know, But see this is what I see, what

503
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: I see the beginning of the show. You know what

504
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's when I say I'm on a

505
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: tight wire. I have inside the knowledge that someone tried

506
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: to demote me. Do you know what I'm saying?

507
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: Wow?

508
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but luckily.

509
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: So everything has to be perfect.

510
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: Everything has to be perfect.

511
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: And also like my my my spot is unfulfilled, meaning

512
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: like not by me, but like they don't know what

513
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: it is. You know what I'm saying.

514
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm flashing to what the episode where Charlotte says to

515
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: Trey's mother the prenup, I'm worth a million.

516
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the best moment.

517
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Remember that I'm worth a million.

518
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I do remember that vividly.

519
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 2: The growth of Charlotte, and look at the growth of you.

520
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't sign that contract rather than going in there

521
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: to them and saying I'm worth regular.

522
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: To this totally I know, but this is the fear,

523
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: and I think back.

524
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: On this, now, that's interesting that you would have carried

525
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: that sort of shakiness, that somebody behind the scenes didn't

526
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: think you belong as a regular.

527
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Right, that that is the truth, I understand my experience.

528
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: And no one ever heard that.

529
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: You didn't even know you guys, you didn't even know.

530
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: I never even heard that or thought that that.

531
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Was somebody as a secret.

532
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: Because once again, let's go back to the writing. You

533
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: didn't have anything in the pilot exactly. You would say, well,

534
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with her? Maybe make

535
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: her reoccurring?

536
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: Right, And she's not over budget.

537
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: Happily blowing people, she's not the writer of it, and

538
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: she's not the uptight lawyer spunky one. Right, what are

539
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: we going to do with her? Make a reoccurring because

540
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: we don't know what the character is.

541
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: And when you read the Kansas's books, she's also not reoccurring, right,

542
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: I know.

543
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: So they really tried.

544
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: I know, so luckily, for whatever you know, magical reason,

545
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. And you know, it's not like

546
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm the most confident and even agree with you.

547
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: I think I've everyone. I think you're one of the

548
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: most level headed, smart business people that I've met, you

549
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: know exactly what's what in all these negotiations as we've

550
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: gone through the years. Ye're the one who goes, Okay,

551
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: here's the reality. Now what's supposed to happen. Here's the reality.

552
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: Some people get so mad about that too.

553
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: No, I think you're really smart. You're the one who

554
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: goes like, Okay, that will be nice, but here's what

555
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: is happening. And sometimes I'm wrong and also weighing the

556
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: reality of I want this or do I give.

557
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Up totally because to me, the work, the work is

558
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: so special and so unique and amazing and once in

559
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: a lifetime I am fine giving stuff up. But I

560
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: wasn't fine being recurring no thank you. I shouldn't happen

561
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: exactly so, but I you knew I did. I had

562
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: a sense they far sense that they needed my voice.

563
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: The fact that they don't know what to do with

564
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: me is the reason they need me.

565
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 3: But that's such a scary place to be, you know.

566
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: So like when I look at myself, and also I

567
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: do feel also just as a human being, Like when

568
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: I watched the three of them in the pilot, I

569
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: feel like they're powerful. Now, yes, it's the writing, but

570
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: I also feel like per formance wise, like you know,

571
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: even Cynthia is Miranda when she you know, remember she

572
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: pushes Sure, you know what I mean. Sure, I'm like,

573
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: oh god, I wish I was like that.

574
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: But I'm more like, you're not like that at all.

575
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: That's your internal projection on that Orc. Okay, you're not.

576
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: You're I think, if anything, you're delicate, Okay, okay, which

577
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: is Charlotte. Yes, I guess you were a Charlotte even

578
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: before you knew that you were a Charlotte.

579
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: I think that must be true.

580
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, there is like this one

581
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: part of me that's not a Charlotte, right, which is

582
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: like the when you talk about the scene with the

583
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: prosthetic penis.

584
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: That's the part of me where I'm like, yes, there.

585
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: We I am more bohemian and open and whatever. You know,

586
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm not married in life. You don't.

587
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a story. Oh, I'll tell

588
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: you a story about how different you are than Charlotte. Yay.

589
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm scared.

590
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: At one point in one of the seasons, I think,

591
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: like season four, at the end on Hiatus, you're going

592
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: to go on a far yes, and you had a

593
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 2: person a boy to go with that then didn't happen.

594
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: And remember you because of this, you went on the

595
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: safari totally alone. And it was a high end, very fancy,

596
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: fancy couple driven, blissful, honeymoon esque moneyed safari where there

597
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: was nobody else, just you and this man who wound

598
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: up not going.

599
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh that one, yes, and you shall not be named.

600
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: He shall not fool. We'll call him asshole for this podcast,

601
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: will call him asshole number five, assuming there was four

602
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: others before him. But at least you went on the

603
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: safari alone, totally alone, and you told me a story

604
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: that the guides were carrying you around and setting you

605
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: up in these beautiful tents and things, and one of

606
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: the guides said to you at one point, are you

607
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: a princess? Because they did not understand the royal way

608
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: that you were treating yourself alone.

609
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: It's true.

610
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: And that's when I thought she's so strong, she's such

611
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: a warrior that she did not need a man to

612
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: go with her. Charlotte would have never gone at that

613
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: point right now, might now, but at that point would

614
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: never have gone. And I thought that was such a

615
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: funny dichotomy between between what people think of you as

616
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: who you really are, that sort of warrior nature. I'm

617
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: an individual. I'll take my life anyway to make it

618
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: my life. And I thought that was a big difference

619
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: between you and the essence of Charlotte.

620
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. It's well. But it's funny because

621
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: the thing that they asked me many times before they

622
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: finally asked me if I was a princess was where

623
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: is your husband? Where is your husband? Then they say

624
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: where's your father? And I'd just be like, oh my god.

625
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, obviously cultural differences, but still, you know, Yeah.

626
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: I went to Mexico once while we were doing the

627
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: show by myself and they kept saying, Senior, where's your wife?

628
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: Where's your wife? And they would play mariachi and they'd

629
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: get to my table and just go and just move

630
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: over to the next couple. Oh my god. That idea

631
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: of the humiliation of being single is really one of

632
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: the things that fueled my birthright into this series. Not

633
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: the fact that I was a woman, or not the

634
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: fact that I was a single lady, but the fact

635
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: that I was an outsider, which is what the in

636
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: the society, which is I was a gay man, who

637
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: couldn't get married at the time. So it's an interesting

638
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: thing that outsider this, the anarchy of that was really

639
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: the thing that I found so thrilling to write. All

640
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: the humiliation that happened so much.

641
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: And there's so much and ongoing.

642
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: That was the white people related to it. Yeah, I

643
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: think the audiences that were single related to the constant

644
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: humiliation and then the constant getting back up and going

645
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: on the safari alone or just going to the party

646
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: by yourself.

647
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: Right right, it's all giant never ends, man.

648
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: It never ends. I know, it never ends.

649
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: The weddings are the worst. The weddings are the worst,

650
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: which we say pigs or the best.

651
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: I guess pigs. The weddings. Yeah, it's just.

652
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: So amazing to think about how long. Right, So remember

653
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: she's on the street with the Stanford and they've run

654
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: into that guy.

655
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: Who He's like, she seen you since and he says

656
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: since I was?

657
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, And then they can't technically get married, but

658
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: they're all getting married with the Lays and Stanford makes

659
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: funny jokes. But I mean, it's insane to think about.

660
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's also incredibly I think oddly I'm still ahead

661
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: of the curve. Yeah, Unfortunately society has not yet got

662
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: the message to stop treating people this way. I know

663
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: it's still and you know, we're dealing with it, and

664
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: just like that, we're dealing like, oh, you're fifty something,

665
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: you should be further along, and people are like, what, No,

666
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: we're humans. But when I saw Bay and Mary Pigs,

667
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, it's comic. Yes, it's humiliating. And

668
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: the other thing that surprised me was how involved it

669
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: all was already. Yes, I mean Charlotte goes all the

670
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: way to China, picked China out with that guy. I

671
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: mean I was like, wow, we just kept going I

672
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: don't even remember him well.

673
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: And also like, do you remember how Trey and I

674
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: go and pick China?

675
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually yes, But the idea the DNA is there.

676
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact of the matter is what was

677
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: so thrilling for me to write. It is stuff that

678
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: you know, network sitcoms were twenty three minutes twenty three Yeah,

679
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 2: character goes out the window, you don't get that extra bump.

680
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: Samantha and the Irish doorman that is so meat, That

681
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: is so me. When he says I just been so

682
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: sad since I left home I'm longing for the touch

683
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: of a woman that that is and that actor.

684
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god, buy Andy.

685
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

686
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: We keep it.

687
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Nicole hall of Center. Nicole directed.

688
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: Can you believe she dressed so early?

689
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't. I was no idea. Nicole halli Center

690
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: is amazing director, but one of her super super super superpowers.

691
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: And I have this too. I'm abashedly bragging. Is casting

692
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: you are you know you know what that is. But

693
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: Nicole with straight guys. Nicole cast those straight guys, that

694
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: guy married couple that carry has lunch. Yeah yeah, yeah,

695
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: so adorable.

696
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: They're so good.

697
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: And so when you see the writing and the performing,

698
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is very sorry, I'm going to say it,

699
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: this is very high quality. The third episode in terms

700
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: of people, the jokes are there, and that pepper mill

701
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Dick and which.

702
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I remember that whole scene it went on to get

703
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: that pepper mill to at the right time. That was

704
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: like such a that was like a like a lab

705
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: of like us learning how to do a coffee shop

706
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: scene that we would do many many back then. We

707
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't have enough time because we were like man, trying

708
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: to get it all in, but trying to get it

709
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: all orchestrated and all of us talking. Remember how you

710
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: were like talk past or, talk.

711
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: Pastor's that's good. And that wasn't even directed.

712
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: Because we had to get the you know, this is

713
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: why in the trailer at that point, we were all

714
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: in the trailer together, all running our line, so that

715
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: when we got out there, you didn't yell at us,

716
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: or nobody yelled at us, not just you know, we

717
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: had to be like just not just Michael, just because

718
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: we were tired too, you know what I mean. And

719
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: it was a lot, but like that dialogue, it was

720
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: it was a different That's the first time in terms

721
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: of the show where I'm watching back in the beginning

722
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: where I'm like, yes, that's the thing became the thing. Yes,

723
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: and that's the thing.

724
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: That's so hard as an actor to do.

725
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: And when people come on as guest stars they're like,

726
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so hard.

727
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: But even Charlotte in that when she goes to the party,

728
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: she's dropping all the really specific this is a classic

729
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: six on the Upper West Side. No man would ever

730
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: have this unless he was he's going to ask you

731
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: to marry him. Yeah, and then he does, I mean,

732
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: and then she's like then she takes it to the

733
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: next level. And then the comedy is the China patterns.

734
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: It couldn't work, I.

735
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: Know, and for sure he picks a bad one. I'm like, yeah, no, no,

736
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: but she's picky.

737
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: They all come together at the end and go to

738
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: a movie, and that that overview of the whole thing

739
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: about that terrible moods, the terrible cheesy, cheesy.

740
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: Can you believe how far we've come?

741
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what I was you said.

742
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: You said the production values, and I was like, this

743
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: is what he was talking about.

744
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: What about Charlotte's bedroom, I.

745
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: Had too flats. I couldn't believe I had a hallway, okay.

746
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Because in the beginning I only had two flats, and

747
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how they made that hallway come. But

748
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: also like I'm so sad, like it's another growth thing

749
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: of Charlotte. Like that kid, that guy talking about how

750
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: he just needed the touch of a woman in the

751
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Irish accent.

752
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: And I just make a face at him.

753
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 1: It's so sad, Charlotte Dorman in your house. Well, that's true,

754
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: and that is what I guess what Charlotte wild think.

755
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: It is inappropriate and confusing.

756
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: But he's just.

757
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dreaming, he's haunted. He has the sad irish haunted.

758
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: So sad I love it.

759
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: But it's just so, It's just that That's why I

760
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: was so happy there because the idea of her coming home,

761
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: You're Charlotte taking Samantha home, which is never good when

762
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: you do, by the way, it never goes well, never

763
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: goes well when she comes in from the actual environment.

764
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean, she slept with your brother. That another episode,

765
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: which is, by the way, one of the big missteps

766
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: of the entire series. I wish that shouldn't happen.

767
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: That was very confused.

768
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: Two things that I go, what's the other thing that

769
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: we talked about Carrie's father, Yes, episode that we actually

770
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: show a picture of book and I was like, this

771
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: is so we're on such thin ice. Let's get off

772
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: this right now.

773
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: And even Charlotte's.

774
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: Wedding, we didn't even introduce the parents because I was

775
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: not interested.

776
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Okay, And let's just because people have asked me that

777
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: occasionally over the years, like why what was the thinking

778
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't do backstory?

779
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because when you moved to

780
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: New York, or my experience of moving to New York

781
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: at twenty, Whose parents do you meet?

782
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Good Point?

783
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: You never do. I mean it's like you meet your friends,

784
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: you never meet their parents. I mean maybe you do.

785
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, what I became very aware

786
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: of is that you guys were becoming so vibrant that

787
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: to bring a parent in is never going to measure up.

788
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: It's going to be disappointing. Like who's Carrie's mother, Who's

789
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: Charlotte's mother, Barbara Perkins? Maybe maybe? But then what then

790
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 2: you're doing that story? And the only parents we brought

791
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: in was Miranda's mother who was killed never saw, and

792
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: we brought in the husband's mothers. They completely affected the

793
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: main characters good Point, Trey's mother affected Charlotte and Miranda's mother,

794
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Steve's mother affected Miranda's story. But it was what are

795
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: we going to get from bringing in these people that

796
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: were sort of they all met like alchymyl alchemically in

797
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: New York. They didn't need any backstory to know each other.

798
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I ever met anybody

799
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: when I was in thirty in New York. Did I

800
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: meet anybody's parents. Not until they started getting married, right,

801
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: But when Charlotte got married. I was like, no, I

802
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: don't want to see the father. It's not their story, right,

803
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: It's the story of I jerked off, he jerked off,

804
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: and maybe he jerked off right before. It's that's the

805
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: story you and Carrie and just you actually only see

806
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: a shoulder. Remember ever your father was.

807
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember that.

808
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: I think somebody's dancing with You're dancing with somebody's father.

809
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: Somebody's dancing with Carrie's dancing with somebody, somebody that's like

810
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: an uncle, or maybe maybe the groom's father. I forgot,

811
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

812
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.

813
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: It's always treacherous. That's what the show was to show

814
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: us about the friendships of the family you make.

815
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Totally the family you make, this is important to make.

816
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: And I learned the lesson when we were talking about

817
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: who's Steve's mother was. Every single writer in the room

818
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: had a different idea of who Steve's mother was. I

819
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is a nightmare, so I'm just

820
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: going to do mine.

821
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I love it and rightly so alcoholic, rightly character. Okay, Michael,

822
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: obviously you and I can talk forever.

823
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: Exactly.

824
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: I hope everyone's enjoying it. We're going to make this

825
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: into two episodes.

826
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: Is that okay too? Yeah?

827
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: Sure, at least so you can stay and talks more,

828
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: of course,